Defensive Shooting by Concealed Carrier Stops Threat: The Aftermath

[@GT-43]

Always invoke your right to remain silent and request an attorney. Never agree to be Interrogated by the police without an attorney present. You don't have to be in an interrogation room to tell the truth, or lie.

[@d3adlyz3bra]

sadly in washington its illegal to have carry insurance so having a lawyer is less likely to happen but yes all of that

[@mtkoslowski]

Good advice.

[@t2av159]

Whats your law firm?

[@jamesmorrison7989]

@@t2av159 you don’t need a law firm to understand that this is good advice. And I would take this advice in any situation where you have an adversarial encounter with police.

[@jamesgabaldon1239]

EXACTLY. Even if you know you’re innocent, you can be railroaded and find yourself in cuffs and worse, in prison. Anytime a cop reads you your right to remain silent, remain silent! You need an attorney to walk through the fire of an interrogation .

[@rogergriggs9390]

As a retired 30-year law enforcement officer, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER talk to the police without your attorney present. You should invoke your right to have an attorney advise you prior to questioning and invoke your right to remain silent.

[@robjack9710]

How does it feel being the 40th person saying this before you on this video

[@commiehunter733]

Yup

[@garbagel4744]

@@robjack9710 Have you considered the fact that not everyone will go and browse through comments to read every individual comment? Perhaps he was merely giving his two cents, and understandably so. If he actually had 30 years in law enforcement, which I have zero reason to detest, then it is perfectly reasonable to comment what he did. Maybe he thought he was the first to comment this. Perhaps, on the contrary, he just didn't care who else *might have* posted a comment similar to this? Nonetheless, he is trying to be beneficial, and you are doing the polar opposite, first, second-guess yourself, not others.

[@robjack9710]

@@garbagel4744 no, I did not ever consider that fact

[@davinlaiacoma9566]

@@robjack9710 how does it feel that thousands everyday don't practice this or understand what the hell "can and will be used against you" means? It is worth repeating every single time, do not talk to the police

[@anti-socialistsocialclub6032]

Do you know where my daughter is. Dude i feel so bad for this guy. Stand your ground!!! He never changed up the story not once. You can tell he’s not lying

[@sockmonkey706]

“Officer I am more than happy to comply with your investigation after I speak with my attorney.” All you say after having to use your firearm.

[@leza6288]

Would they put him in jail until he got an attorney? I truly don’t know the answer to this.

[@frugalprepper]

@@leza6288 Better in Jail for a day or two that 20 years in prison.

[@leza6288]

@@frugalprepper that’s the truth for sure!!! Boy if you had illegal weapons “oh go right ahead sir/madam. sorry we bothered you! Please go on and have a very nice day!”

[@davidca96]

@@leza6288 it depends on the situation usually, if law enforcement plainly sees it was self defense, they usually dont arrest you but if they have anything they think they can charge you with, they will arrest you. Its best to not fight the arrest, talk to your attorney as soon as its possible and they will get you out. Fighting any arrest will only hurt your case, sometimes its something you have to deal with in the beginning. Also depends on your state, some states will arrest you and charge you even when its obvious it was legal.

[@972CHENZO]

@@leza6288 no not always unless there's something proving the person intentionally did a crime

[@JudelovesRiver12]

I hope Clay is doing good in life right now. He seems like a real genuine and nice man.

[@jobe1911]

I agree. I hope he learns from this experience and cuts all ties from the negative people in his life

[@ricardojaramillo1895]

not to be rude but choose a better circle this was bound to happen,

[@eddyngaue6495]

@@ricardojaramillo1895 100% agree with chooosing your friends. Lesson learned, hopefully.

[@Nik_R]

That’s the article over the shooting after the investigation

[@3nertia]

@@jobe1911 You don't get to choose your neighbors ...

[@Rat_sGrimReaper]

“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you.” These are your rights, if you use your 2nd amendment right, why wouldn’t you use these? This guy took a huge risk here.

[@letsgobrandon5800]

Even b/4 Miranda, you STFU.........Dont complain, dont explain. Tell it to your lawyer!!

[@Tequila_atTheJazzbar]

Correct, never talk once you are arrested. It’s one thing to talk your way out of a traffic ticket, this is your life on the line. These cops do not care about right and wrong.

[@twizz420]

Because if you actually shoot in self defense, you don't need to worry about your words being used against you. No prosecutor in their right mind would ever charge someone for saving the lives of innocent people.

[@audio3980]

Agree. When involved in a defensive shooting; your statement should be simple: “I was attacked, and feared for my life, I defended myself, and now want a lawyer and medical attention”.

[@boobookitty1441]

And don’t be on the phone telling anyone what happened either! Yal see how the detective gave him long enuf to tell it all before he walked back in 😂 perfect timing ociffer detective! 😂

[@RNG-999]

The words the guy said really resonated with me, as a Washingtonian as well. I go outside, and somebody attempts to jump, mug, or rob me at knife or gun-point and I have to either de-escalate, escape, or defend myself which means hurting another person severely, matching force with equal force. "Man, I am so sick of people f**king with me, man... Every time shit seems like it is going good for me, every time, something has to happen."

[@remnanttruth]

I'm just plain sick of people. The world is no longer fit to live in.

[@mtkoslowski]

100 percent.

[@oceancat0450]

I live peacefully in the middle of a cornfield. You couldn’t pay me to live in most cities these days.

[@biggypaws434]

@@oceancat0450 Same except hay field.

[@daltonnewman1094]

@@TierNone_LarperatoR good luck. They have drones.

[@jessicapabstconrad]

Law enforcement scare people into thinking that if they envoke their 5th amendment that they have something to hide or are guilty! It’s so frustrating!

[@ruslanzinovyev9594]

They manipulate and straight lie sometimes. They do not have your best interest. Once one realizes that the 5th ammendment makes sense.

[@runninggreywolf8313]

Use your right to remain silent and when necessary invoke your 5th Amendment if you want to remain free. Do not ever speak to police without an attorney.

[@phobos258]

I believe if a police officer even suggests that, everything told during that interrogation should be completely thrown out of court. they are not lawyers and not allowed to give legal advice.

[@Axis.Mundis.]

@KillateralDamage knows all about this. Those asshole cops destroyed that man’s life.

[@nothanks9503]

You say I plead the 5th then whatever they say back to you look at them look at their soul and say “disgusting” then say nothing

[@goldandsilverminingintheci8942]

I'm in Massachusetts. Years back, I shot a home invader. The cops took all my firearms and my license to carry until the ADA told them he was cool with me having them back. It took almost 3 months to get most of my things back. They kept the revolver I used for almost 3 years. The guy had pled guilty and was already in prison before I got that one back. Some weapons got damaged in the process. This incident got me into the 'Armed Citizen' column.

[@letsgobrandon5800]

It also got you into the You're Alive column.....

[@spark5012]

@Gold and Silver Mining in the City From what I've seen, you had a good outcome. Where I live, I think they have a mandatory arrest policy in that situation. To everyone: There's a cop or ex cop. White, older, I think he has an unusual name. He's into gun rights. He has a video on what to do in these situations. It's a bit more nuanced than the advice here.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

Mistake #1 was living in Mass. Please move elsewhere, preferably south.

[@ianfortuna9385]

Your story is a big reason I do not support law enforcement my friend

[@barcotics1880]

it also makes you a threat to the state, watch your back

[@Clarissa_320]

I feel for this poor guy. 😞 He was completely innocent and gets thrown into a mess like this. 🤦🏻‍♀️ I'm glad he was able to defend himself and his coworkers. It's a shame how people will try to kill you over nothing these days. Always be aware of your surroundings people and let the petty shit go!!

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

It does suck but personally I'd rather talk with the cops about what happened for a few hours if it means I'm still alive. Esspecially if you come out of the investigation not guilty and also help them in their investigation

[@MOEWETTA23]

Agreed. Smh

[@floridagirl386]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss that's not even the point here. It's scary people don't realize the cop isn't there to help understand his side. They're there to find charges to put on him

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

@@floridagirl386 so don't give him anything that would give him reason to charge you with anything

[@floridagirl386]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss you don't have to give them anything. It could be a mix up of words which we saw here several times over. Cops jobisto charge you. Get it yet? They don't interrogate people they aren't trying to charge

[@nbk9372]

No contact for nearly 2 months, Gloria (suspect 2) remains outside in the vehicle, ATM on location (tattoo parlor), Brandon (suspect 1) 1. accusatory, 2. sucker punches, 3. pulls the gun out pointing at Sam. Grill was never the real issue, everything points to a possible armed robbery attempt by Brandon and Gloria was the get away driver. Gloria heard the shots from inside the tattoo parlor, Brandon comes out running, Gloria assume he's being chased so she does a cover fire. The suppose spat was just the cover, but the CCW fouled their attempted robbery scheme. I would not be surprised the detectives draw a similar conclusion. JMO

[@sonnybimbo2940]

You make a good point.

[@Belovelyava]

The problem is Gloria. The odd way she can manipulate her brother. No one should be her friend. Women like get dudes killed all the time,yet they get to live.

[@feloniousfloyd2203]

That’s a terrible theory. If they were there to rob the place, Brandon wouldn’t have gone directly to Clay to confront him. They would have just robbed the place and left.

[@myperfectright]

I don’t think this was a robbery. You wouldn’t bring your kids to stick up someone. They potential witnesses if they see them with cash, jewelry etc. It’s obvious Gonzalez and Clay’s baby momma had a threesome with someone - possibly Brandon. I think Clay found out about the threesome and was heated because he doesn’t trust Gonzalez. Gonzalez tried to insert herself in the argument and Clay essentially told her to mind her business. Gonzalez took exception and somehow manipulated her brother to go after him. Why that day? That’s what I don’t know. Maybe the baby mama & Gonzalez broke up as friends later and she wanted revenge. Either way Gonzalez is manipulative and is the primary reason her brother is dead.

[@ScoobyDoozy]

Damn, got me right in the feels to hear him sound so defeated. Hope life is on the up and up for you mate

[@heatherd.9390]

Perfectly said. I agree 100%.

[@HeadNtheClouds]

Sounds like a case for Scooby Doo! 😃

[@AutoHoax]

Your gullible. He was a case of the lady doth protest too much

[@email4664]

@@AutoHoax You are illiterate

[@gamerama8283]

@@AutoHoax The description says he wasn't arrested and never been arrested before this

[@Stabsnipers]

Beyond a doubt, carrying an unloaded gun or a gun with an empty chamber is a bad idea. Such a bad idea, in fact that it could get you killed when someone pulls a gun on you who does have a round in the chamber.

[@AlmightyMek]

Man chambered his gun under stress while other dude had the drop, he’s SUPER lucky to be alive

[@tk5067]

I'd have to agree. If your gun doesn't have enough of a safety to carry with a round chambered, you need a different carry gun. Damned if I don't respect his opinion though. He's a thinker and that's rare.

[@Stabsnipers]

@@tk5067 His Glock has three automatic independently-operating mechanical safeties built into the fire control system. That should be enough of a safety for anyone. A 4th external safety would be beyond redundant especially for a striker-fired pistol.

[@user-white007]

I think he will keep doing it as he hasn’t shot his legs yet, and it was still a life saver

[@Guns_and_Butter]

@@tk5067 sounds like he needs a gun with a thumb safety on it because he doesn’t seem to feel comfortable carrying Glocks with one in the chamber.

[@GibsonLP2010]

The guy seems like a very honest and sincere guy. Likeable. I'd like to see a follow up to this story.

[@davidpeterson6147]

good job Clay. As a retired Cop, will say the investigator was very nice to you compared to how suspects are treated. I hope everything works out for you. It is normal to require counseling after a shooter and can really help you out in the long run.

[@FLIPPER1439]

They’re always NICE 🧐

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

He was a suspect. Cops are enemies of the people. Their job is to extort money from us or put us in cages on behalf of the government.

[@backcountyrpilot]

A cop interviewed my secretary after she embezzled $3,000. He said that we had her on camera. My jaw dropped when he told this lie. It turned out that she was a seasoned embezzler and knew the cop was lying. She said, “No you don’t. There are no cameras”.

[@runninggreywolf8313]

Would you advise people not to speak to police without an attorney after being marandized???

[@davidpeterson6147]

@@runninggreywolf8313 correct, it would have been better if a lawyer was present. However, Police Departments vary greatly in how they treat a shooting. Some go by the standard of charge every shooter regardless and let the prosecutor decide if the charges should be pressed and some Police Departments will only do the report and not file any charges with the prosecutor ( a report is till sent to the prosecutors office for review). The Police will question the shooter as a minimum requirement and confiscate the gun as evidence (99% of the time) until the prosecutor informs them they are not pressing charges. Then it varies by state on how owner gets their gun back.

[@christiangraham4579]

Never give a statement or “your side of the story” without a lawyer

[@wutafungi]

Bottom line is the cops need to know what happened... if a victim came in to where l worked and suckered punched me and when he was confronted by a coworker pulled out a glock , popped off a couple rounds and ended up being hauled off in a meat wagon... l would want the cops to know exactly what and how it happened....

[@AnotherOak]

If you know you're guilty..yeah

[@christiangraham4579]

@@AnotherOak there’s plenty of innocent people in jail because they said some dumb stuff without an attorney.

[@christiangraham4579]

@@wutafungi and they CAN know. When the lawyers in the room.

[@floridagirl386]

@@wutafungi bottom line IS they can get your side from your attorney

[@bashar86]

Always get a lawyer No matter what the situation your in Innocent or guilty

[@vladimpaler9274]

Exactly 💯

[@shortgeorge8272]

Ah, not so much in So Cal.

[@mtkoslowski]

I would just like to add this: get a *COMPETENT* lawyer and not a zit-pocked face cretin who recently graduated from the Acme Law School.

[@Stabsnipers]

They can always hire you a public pretender.

[@mushylog]

I think I'd do the same mistake too in his place, I have the bad habit of signing contracts without carefully reading them! Always read whatever you're signing, even if the person's "in a hurry"

[@danielrowe5413]

Dang, this guy went full send on trusting the cops. Sorry he had to go through this, seems like a solid and grounded dude, but don't trust that the cops will keep his best interests in mind. Hopefully everything works itself out.

[@nobody-ly9ef]

I hope the victim isn't treated like a criminal and the criminal a victim when everything comes out in the wash.....I think more good citizens being legally armed and property trained is a good thing.....a person should never be afraid to carry on with a simple and safe life.

[@austenalgaier1122]

The perp was killed. 4 shots. The girl apparently then picked up her dead brothers gun and shot it. She was charged

[@coachanderson2704]

I have CCW insurance, Just tell the police you need to wait, you don't have to talk to the police until lawyer arrives! Don't say anything.

[@kristen3542]

What do you mean CCW insurance?? Where from?? What's covered?coveted?? How much?? I live in Michigan, have a CPL, but have never heard of this insurance, but would live to look into it.

[@Ellopez05]

@@kristen3542 look up USCCA.

[@mtkoslowski]

@@kristen3542 Or CCW Safe. I’ve been with them for 6 years.

[@bencunningham6298]

@@kristen3542 USCCA offers a free class taught by lawyers and retired cops. Even if you don't want to buy their insurance the class is well worth the couple hours it takes.

[@dondada4470]

@@kristen3542 Jesus those guys did a shit job explaining🤦🏽‍♂️ ccw insurance covers fees like court fees, lawyer fees, bail etc. in the event that you use your firearm in self defense

[@badxradxandy]

Lawyer. That's all you need to say. Especially if you're innocent.

[@rstidman]

Agreed, and even worse, the guy in this video is clearly guilty so it goes 10X for him. I hope he enjoys prison sexual assault.

[@blkking606]

DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE ...WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER

[@carrieanncancino5118]

He couldn't afford an attorney as to why he didn't ask for 1. This happens every day.

[@fermentedfruit]

@@carrieanncancino5118 go read the Miranda rights again. it literally says it at the end...

[@kdawson020279]

@@fermentedfruit In many jurisdictions, a public defender is just a lawyer who convinces his excessive load of clients to take plea deals to avoid higher risk at trial without regard to actual guilt or innocence.

[@fermentedfruit]

@@kdawson020279 man if only you knew how good it is to have anyone but yourself and a detective in that room. again it's better than not having one there.

[@kdawson020279]

@@fermentedfruit I agree. I've just seen some predatory plea bargain mills like the Bronx and parts of LA and anywhere justice is served. Hence my understanding of this honest and straightforward young man laying it out because he did nothing wrong. Any backup in an interrogation is a plus, I was a union steward for the National Association of Letter Carriers, and the Weingarten Rule is like the Miranda right to representation. But, you gotta ask for it. I sat through some really gut-wrenching stuff and went to arbitration where someone's career was at stake. Always have a witness, and an attorney is a good choice.

[@belladamex767]

He seems like a decent kind of guy just trying to get by doing what he loves, unfortunately sounds like his gf/child’s mother and her friend are a pair of idiots and hang with idiots. I hope this guy can succeed in life…

[@MrArtudtoo]

He's lucky, because he was at a huge tactical disadvantage not having his Glock with a round in a chamber (he might want to look into getting a proper holster and some training), and also he's lucky that his talking to the police without his lawyer didn't turn out bad for him.

[@SOLDOZER]

The whole reason to carry a Glock is so you can have one on the chamber without having to mess with a stupid manual safety when you need to use it.

[@hitmixhyepock9405]

There are tons of guns that have no safety.....

[@STR33TZK1NG]

@@hitmixhyepock9405 I always have one in the chamber, and my gun has no safety except for my knowing to keep my booger hook of the bang switch

[@Apolloneek]

It's because some people jump right to Glock for the first gun and are scared of no safety or practice Israeli carry.

[@GamerMarine89]

Glocks been king of striker fire, and no saftey for years. Then sig comes along and releases the 320 and makes everyone worried about striker fire pistols going off

[@brookepageguitar]

For anyone who wants an update on this case…. I got you !❤ Short version (Gloria was the only one charged, and she got 5 years for shooting at the other employee at the tattoo shop.) A 25-year-old woman has been sentenced to five years in prison for shooting an employee at a Lakewood tattoo shop after a fight over a threesome led to an exchange of gunfire that killed the woman’s brother. Gloria Gonzalez pleaded guilty in Pierce County Superior Court in November to second-degree assault for the Sept. 2, 2021 shooting at the business in the 10200 block of Bridgeport Way Southwest. On Wednesday, Judge Alicia Burton handed Gonzalez an exceptional sentence above the standard range of 39-45 months in prison as part of a plea bargain, according to court records. Gonzalez was the only person to be charged in connection to the shooting. The defendant’s brother, Brandon Toj, 19, was shot multiple times by an employee at the shop after Toj allegedly punched the employee and then fired several rounds that didn’t hit him. Lakewood Police Department spokesperson Sgt. Charles Porche said Friday that detectives’ investigation found the employee shot Toj out of self-defense. After Toj collapsed on a sidewalk in front of the business, Gonzalez picked up her brother’s gun and shot a different employee, shattering the man’s pelvis, according to court records. Toj was taken to Madigan Army Medical Center, according to the probable cause document, where he died of his injuries. The man Gonzalez shot was transported to St. Joseph’s Medical Center for treatment. Gonzalez was arrested outside the tattoo shop. The defendant was charged with first-degree assault the day after the shooting, and Pierce County prosecutors wrote in charging papers that Gonzalez and her brother had gone to the tattoo parlor to confront an employee about a “past issue.” After Gonzalez was arrested, she allegedly told Lakewood police officers that she and Toj had been involved in a threesome with the employee’s girlfriend, and that this angered the employee, causing him to shoot Toj. Police noted Gonzalez appeared intoxicated. Police said the incident started at about 6 p.m. Records state Gonzalez and her brother parked outside, leaving Gonzalez’s two children, ages 2 and 7, in the car. Inside, Toj punched the employee, possibly breaking his nose, and a fight broke out in front of customers and other employees. According to the probable cause document, Toj and the employee exchanged gunfire. The siblings left the shop, and Toj collapsed outside. Records state that’s when Gonzalez shot a different employee. “He stated that after the shooting stopped and Toj and the defendant ran out of the shop, he attempted to close the front door, but was confronted by the defendant who was standing in the parking lot holding a handgun,” prosecutors wrote in charging documents. “[The employee] stated that the defendant accused him of shooting her brother, and then fired at least one round, striking him in the left buttocks.”

[@secondrule]

As soon as the detective told him he was "not under arrest", he should have said, "ok. Have a good night" and LEAVE, No reason to tell him anything; you did nothing wrong- if you invoke "self defense". So leave, and go home. If you misspeak, and you could go to jail.

[@972CHENZO]

When I got my gun license in Texas the teacher told us to do these 3 things if you ever have to use your gun... 1. Call 911 2. Say you were afraid for your life 3. Get a lawyer

[@n2deepjds]

Someone can say they were afraid for their life if someone raises their voice to them. I take that “I was afraid for my life” statement with a grain of salt.

[@Gymthingz]

@@n2deepjdsprobably was a karen

[@Skincareslug]

Number 1 rule...Always ask for a lawyer!!

[@letsgobrandon5800]

Why is he even talking to the Po Po without a lawyer present???

[@RNG-999]

Washingtonians generally do not understand the law, at all.

[@jordancartier9239]

No money?

[@letsgobrandon5800]

@@jordancartier9239 Once you hear Miranda the lawyer is free......

[@richmckean4978]

@@jordancartier9239 then don’t talk!

[@letsgobrandon5800]

@@richmckean4978 Bingo, Rich gets it!!

[@douglasharley2440]

dude is cool af, clearly a good person. *respect.*

[@jacobs4545]

Back to reddit

[@douglasharley2440]

@@jacobs4545 lol, reddit is for losers...don't be a loser.

[@Mudcreekmedia]

@@jacobs4545 I see it lol

[@diablocls55]

@@jacobs4545 lmao 😂

[@wutafungi]

The truth will set you free ...

[@mattwilliams3456]

Damn, I hope Clay gets some therapy and can move past this. Love how he immediately apologized to his boss and was worried about the other workers losing money too. The man needs a new crowd around him.

[@freedomfries6618]

His girl is trouble.

[@OnceUponReddit]

You know something thats interesting, there was a post on reddit asking people if they ever had to use lethal force, why, and how they feel. Home invasions, robberies, ect. 99% said when it was justified that they didn't lose a wink of sleep

[@Gr13fM4ch1n3]

The more and more excited (and I don't mean happy) he gets during describing the event, the more you can tell he's traumatized by it. This poor man. He's scared, frustrated, trying his best, but also reliving the moment as he's describing it.

[@couldyou4745]

Did you cry?

[@randywl8925]

@@couldyou4745 what was the purpose of your comment?

[@rolux4853]

@@couldyou4745 oh is crying something bad to you? Men crying is nothing unusual and stupid toxic comments like yours hurt the way men are seen in this society? You know what’s worse than crying? Not being able to cry anymore, because your tears ran dry over the years from suppressing everything. That is one of the most desperate feelings and I don’t wish it on anybody in the world!

[@HESSIAN578]

@@randywl8925 he just wants to be a douchebag. Thinks he's funny. No one loves him. He knows deep down that the world would be better if he left. That's why he asked

[@GamerMarine89]

@@randywl8925 fuck boys been trolling the comments don't show or give it attention

[@kylemiller2920]

This guy is the epitome of a good person who just got royally shit on by life. His concern for the other people including the man who tried to kill him is more than most people could muster. Wishing him nothing but the best in life.

[@christina5kids16grands]

Every time I’ve seen a cop or former cop questioned in an official interrogation setting, they have ALWAYS had an attorney with them. Every time. THEY KNOW ITS 100% NECESSARY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES WITH COUNSEL! We as civilians have that right and no matter how innocent you are, ask for an attorney!!

[@feloniousfloyd2203]

They’ll get you an attorney after about three months if you sitting in jail. The cops know he killed the guy. If Clay doesn’t claim self defense, no one is going to claim it for him. They would just throw him in jail until the public defender has the time to tell the investigators/prosecutors EXACTLY the same thing that Clay told them to begin with.

[@45sticky]

I couldn’t agree more. So many times we see people talking to police without an attorney present. It is so careless and reckless and put your life in jeopardy.

[@jessevargas7103]

Being able to see all this footage put together so well so that some of us can learn from it is an insanely awesome privilege. Thank you.

[@LJ-jq8og]

Appears to be a good guy ! Feel bad for him. He needs to get away from these pyscho people ❗

[@BacDaFukUp4life]

i agree, the girlfriend appeared to be really immature, sad with a kid involved. after viewing, i hope he wised up and left that environment and support the kid from a far.

[@kylie-gracewagner2790]

From the daughter of a federal police officer: If you legit pull your firearm defensively... The ONLY thing you say to law enforcement is "I Need an Attorney Please" NOTHING else! Period.

[@1216Rocker]

LAWYER! Even if you are 1000% in the right. LAWYER.

[@-KingOfKhaos]

ALWAYS exercise that right to remain silent without your lawyer present… hopefully this ends well for this guy…

[@DMSJagXK]

If one of your loved ones was murdered wouldn’t you want to tell the police everything you knew so they didn’t waste time investigating you? If you were guilty then I could understand why you would not want to help,the police. The vast majority of videos that I have seen , where someone insists on having their lawyer present , it turns out the person is actually guilty.

[@-KingOfKhaos]

@@DMSJagXK It’s not about not helping law enforcement… it’s well known in the concealed carry community NOT to talk to law enforcement without your attorney. A shooting, justified or not, is still a lethal force incident and has all sorts of serious legal consequences that can, and often do, result in criminal charges being filed on the person acting in self defense simply for stating things incorrectly or in a manner that an overzealous prosecutor can use to charge. This can vary widely from state to state, county to county even in some jurisdictions.

[@DMSJagXK]

@@-KingOfKhaos I didn’t say I would never lawyer up. I was simply pointing out that there are times where I wouldn’t lawyer up. So many comments here say you should always lawyer up. If your wife or children had been murdered, you would be a suspect. Would you really not do all you could to enable the police to be able to not waste time investigating you?

[@ropeysubstance1719]

Terrible advice. If you're innocent and have a solid alibi/story then there's no reason not to cooperate.

[@ropeysubstance1719]

@@DMSJagXK You are 100% correct and this guy is giving out bad advice. Most of these types are 'ACAB' people who hate the police.

[@frankbutta9344]

A defensive shooting in Washington state must be a nightmare! Ditto on having an attorney.

[@TheFrenchPug]

Guilty until proven innocent

[@frankbutta9344]

@@TheFrenchPug Fraid so….

[@larrybrooks9763]

I live in Washington, any incident involving a firearm is a complete and guaranteed legal nightmare and once they take your guns its nearly impossible to get them released back to you even after retaining an attorney

[@robdubent]

DONT LIVE IN WASHED-upington

[@DMSJagXK]

If one of your loved ones was murdered wouldn’t you want to tell the police everything you knew so they didn’t waste time investigating you? If you were guilty then I could understand why you would not want to help,the police. The vast majority of videos that I have seen , where someone insists on having their lawyer present , it turns out the person is actually guilty.

[@Mr_Mojo_Risin]

As others have said never talk to the police without an attorney present! And this man’s “fiancé” is toxic and he should run as fast as he can the opposite direction! He seems like a good man and I’d hate to read about him in the future going to jail for some dumb shit his girl did.

[@GrossCouchPotato]

As someone who works homicide scenes with the medical examiners office, alongside police, I get to see how police operate when piecing together a scene. If the police don’t have any cooperation, they may overlook evidence or witnesses at a scene. Once they clear the scene, a cleaning company may come in, and possibly throw away evidence that you needed to prove your innocence. (Is a hammer on the ground in a garage a weapon, or is it a misplaced tool?) I’d call 911, say I was a victim who had to defend myself. I’d say that suspect is hurt, and needs an ambulance. When police are on scene, tell them you are a victim, and you want to press charges. Point out the suspects weapons, and identify any possible witnesses. When police want you to describe the events, tell them you are more than willing to cooperate, but first want to contact an attorney. Police officers get a cool down period before having to make any statements after a use of force incident, so don’t be ashamed. You might go to the county jail for the night, or the week, but who cares. You need to focus on the bigger picture of staying out of prison.

[@vendretyvangarde7383]

"...evidence that you needed to prove your innocence." THAT is way we NEVER talk to cops. Lawyer up immediately. I don't prove my innocence, I AM innocent. You have to prove my guilt.

[@MrMark1325]

Lawyer up remain silent.

[@allaboutroofing2]

What part of "I want a lawyer" is so hard for people to figure out? Never ever, ever,ever, ever answer questions without an attorney representing you. Ever.

[@badxradxandy]

They feel like they're doing something wrong or feel guilty because guilty people need a lawyer in TV shows. Truth is everyone needs one.

[@EverydayWithBobby]

You’re right, but if you’ve never been in the situation, it’s really hard to gauge every correct decision to make. While you’re at home typing this in the warmth of your home 😂 it’s easy. Try actually shooting a mf in self defense and then being arrested…the amount of bizarre thoughts that enter your mind before “hmmm I’m not talking until I get a lawyer” is astounding.

[@rstidman]

Listen, until you've been a full-blown narcissist, you will never understand how talking and otherwise expressing yourself is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more important than being able to not be in prison.

[@TrillMurray]

@@AreaCode757 very well said

[@CORZER0]

Low IQ.

[@Killbayne]

"that's why this video is sponsored by the USCCA"

[@Rat_sGrimReaper]

USSCA is not the best choice nowadays sadly

[@erikhoryza9068]

@@Rat_sGrimReaper very true. Teach yourself a few of your rights, obligations, and know the laws for ever being ALLOWED to take a life. Also property is never justified to defend unless "they" are throwing molotov cocktails or the like. Payment for damages and restitution are things to know exist. Cameras for evidentiary proof are another great thing to have.

[@boobookitty1441]

The detectives voice squeaks more than a teenage boy 😂

[@oceancat0450]

I actually think he IS a teenage boy 🤣

[@boobookitty1441]

@@oceancat0450 🤣🤣 me too!! His ⚽️ 🏀 must be dropping 😭🤣

[@th.burggraf7814]

NEVER talk to police without attorney. You cannot win anything, but you surely can loose everything!

[@DMSJagXK]

If one of your loved ones was murdered wouldn’t you want to tell the police everything you knew so they didn’t waste time investigating you? If you were guilty then I could understand why you would not want to help,the police. The vast majority of videos that I have seen , where someone insists on having their lawyer present , it turns out the person is actually guilty.

[@Tat2Dragons]

@@DMSJagXK ​ You’ve mentioned this multiple times, you sound like a broken record and it’s obvious you just don’t get it.

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

@@DMSJagXK nope. Because cops and prosecutors are government agents and do not care about the truth. They only care about putting us in a cage or extorting money from us.

[@DMSJagXK]

What do you mean by loose everything? Perhaps you meant lose everything? A nut can become loose when you unscrew it.

[@DMSJagXK]

@@napalmstickylikeglue You are putting yourself in a cage. Why don’t you move out? There are so many countries you could live in.

[@joshdfox420]

Sucks this happened to this guy. He seems like a good person, sounds.pretty open and shut self defense.

[@jessdigs]

He seems like a genuine and down to earth guy. Sucks this happened to him

[@Legitnish]

Dude is obviously innocent. If he is ever arrested for this, it will further prove how corrupt the system is. Someone literally showed up to his job and started shooting at him. If thats not self defense I don't know what is.

[@sarahm.1632]

I agree with you, however MA has the Duty to Retreat law. Which basically says when in danger, the person has to retreat to safety.

[@youtubehatestruthtellers8065]

@@sarahm.1632 do the police retreat when their lives are in danger

[@jeremykoerperich4779]

@@sarahm.1632 exactly in some states he would definitely be charged. In California he most likely wouldn’t be going to jail. Just by him saying he ran inside and grabbed his extended magazine and went looking for him. That changes it from self defense to revenge or intent. Some states you can go out and chase them if you know your family is outside waiting in the car for instance. Firearm laws are very exact and the modern world for some reason really hates those of us that choose to carry a firearm. This is why it’s so important to know the laws in the state you are carrying in because they can change dramatically from one state to the next.

[@AfaanOromostock-]

Innocent or guilt doesn't matter in America. If police and prosecutors want cages u for life or killed you then can without any doubt

[@InfiniteBoxworks]

@@youtubehatestruthtellers8065 Police are not held to the same standards as citizens. They are considered qualified agents of state-sanctioned violence.

[@idiotsandwich4912]

I’m glad he’s okay. He did what he had to do. That’s terrifying. He defended himself and that’s his right. He has the right to defend his life.

[@vincentmelini9129]

Damn he didn't have anything to hide and told it how he saw it. Unfortunately that's a dangerous game to go alone without a lawyer. I'm glad he wasn't charged with anything

[@rexflexall30044]

If they sit any further apart, they're gonna have to use walky-talkies

[@mtkoslowski]

We need more citizens like this man who appears honest and civic minded. If I knew where he lived I would send him some money to pay for any expenses he may have.

[@TheFrenchPug]

That's really nice of you.

[@mtkoslowski]

@@Linda-zx7lk Thank you for your kindness. I am a former police officer and now sadly I find myself a widower. But thank you anyway.

[@radientsyt8954]

@@mtkoslowski what happened if you don’t mind saying

[@edwardbrianna9729]

This young man is very eloquent, well spoken. I haven’t watched the whole video so idk the outcome but man, I felt for him when he says at the beginning “man why is everything so hard, things keep happening, I’m just trying so hard to succeed “

[@willc5512]

Same. Well the people that SEE u trying to succeed is pissed off! After I bought my house & rehabbed it folks in the community (renters with no hope/sec8) were constantly talking behind my back, screwing with my car, puncturing my tires ON camera. When I have (5) cameras facing the front. I got a license & all that stopped. All I did was pop a few rounds off on new yrs like everyone else does & folks started heading for the hills! It was crazy how they were booking it outta here. I felt like without a firearm these folks were just gonna come in the house, alarm co. be damned. Its hard to live in peace sometimes!

[@independenceboyd2042]

What would make you think he wasn’t well spoken

[@JCHD18CVOLim]

I have seen video's of police officer shootings. They give the shooting officer 48 or 72 hours before they have to make a statement and have an attorney present to advise them. Same should go for a private citizen.

[@wxmyjnsn]

This video is a great example of why you don't talk to the police. The interrogator is framing his questions to trap him. SO how do feel about Gloria- "I don't like her" So there is tension between you and her" He does a great job of getting out of that by saying he doesn't have tension because he doesn't talk to her. Several more questions were framed the same way. A good lawyer would have the officer rephrase the question or not have him answer it.

[@SlikRick.e]

Right... another towards the end "there's got to be something other than a grill" then the love triangle angle.

[@traceybeall5975]

I feel bad for him. His entire life was disrupted over someone else's nonsense. Beyond that, this is something that will carry with him the rest of his life.

[@Nohkral]

We need more!!!! Hope you compile all the videos together thats related to this. Please and thanks

[@adrian2k01]

Every carry permit individual should know……you don’t talk to the police without a attorney. Hands down….period!

[@g6rida07]

Man basically lost his life over stupidity and a grill!

[@kdw75]

The courts have concluded that the more you shoot the better. It shows just how fearful you were. That is why it helps police when they shoot someone 50 times.

[@JKyleWallace]

A double shooting at a Lakewood tattoo parlor stemmed from a fight over a threesome involving the dead man, his sister and the other victim’s girlfriend, according to court documents. It started just after 6 p.m. when Gloria Gonzalez, 24, and her brother Brandon Toj, 19, went to a tattoo parlor in the 10200 block of Bridgeport Way to confront an employee there “about a past issue,” prosecutors wrote in charging papers. They parked out front and left Gonzalez’s two children in the car, ages 2 and 7. Once inside, Toj allegedly punched the employee, possibly breaking his nose, and started a fight. He fired several rounds at the employee but did not strike him. The employee then pulled out a licensed gun and returned fire at Toj, hitting him at least four times in the chest. Gonzalez and Toj left the tattoo parlor, and he collapsed on the sidewalk out front. That’s when another employee was shot by Gonzalez, records say. “He stated that after the shooting stopped and Toj and the defendant ran out of the shop, he attempted to close the front door, but was confronted by the defendant who was standing in the parking lot holding a handgun,” prosecutors wrote in charging papers. The second employee “stated that the defendant accused him of shooting her brother, and then fired at least one round, striking him in the left buttocks.” Police were called to the area and found a “chaotic scene,” records say. Gonzalez was standing outside the shop “screaming and waving around a pistol,” covered in blood and yelling about who shot her brother, according to court documents. Officers took her into custody after watching her charge a man and shove him. A bloody expended shell casing was found in her leggings, which police believe she purposely picked up and tried to hide. Toj was taken to Madigan Army Medical Center, where he died of multiple gunshot wounds. The employee who was shot was taken to St. Joseph Medical Center in Tacoma and was listed in stable condition. Gonzalez was charged Friday with first-degree assault for allegedly shooting the employee. She pleaded not guilty and was ordered held on $150,000 bail. Police said she was intoxicated when arrested and told detectives the employee at the tattoo parlor was mad about a threesome she and her brother had with the employee’s girlfriend. The employee has not been arrested and detectives say he might not face charges because it appears to be a case of self-defense. “The investigation is still ongoing but the initial indication is that the person who shot the decedent did so in self-defense,” Lakewood Police Chief Mike Zaro said

[@shane35fowler]

Sooooo The Brother.....AND the Sister allegedly had a Threesome with Dudes Girlfriend.... And then confronted him about it? What in the c'est?

[@daschamp]

only thing to say is, "I was in fear for my life." then shut up

[@mysticobra1]

Every other comment is saying don’t talk without a lawyer .. everyone already knows that lol but shit is different once you’re sitting there in that room in that situation after something crazy like this happens and especially when you know you’re innocent and just want to get it all out

[@HEAT4YOAZZ]

Thats what im saying. Most of the people would be singing to the police

[@freedomfries6618]

Hope he gets rid of his girlfriend and gets custody of his kid.

[@robintaylor485]

If you’re totally innocent you still have to worry about everything

[@leolego2]

yeah that happens when you kill a person. Still has to be investigated. Duh

[@robintaylor485]

@@leolego2 a lot of people do not realize they’re still going to have to hire a lawyer and pay for that sucker duh

[@SupaNami]

"You're not under arrest, you have the right to remain silent" Dude should have said, Bye guys!

[@OneOfThoseTypes]

It's a good thing the plastic shield is there to prevent floating microscopic particles from floating around it.

[@dreadpiratelenny1348]

Yep! Those Covid particles only go in a straight line from person to person. Very smart!

[@ExsoLam]

Yeah, solid objects have no influence on air flow, good call.

[@2KCamaroZ28SS]

Lol COVID is a joke

[@WhiskyMechanic]

I won't name the famous stand up comedian but I'll never sit in the front row of one of his shows again without an umbrella due to the amount of saliva he sprayed as he talked!

[@jdout]

@@WhiskyMechanic probably Bobby Lee lol

[@MADPAOFFICIAL]

Idgaf if there's clear video evidence of 100% lawful defensive discharge of a firearm, LAWYER UP. It does NOT make you look guilty.

[@caldelt]

Plexiglass on a 6 foot table. Ridiculous.

[@GeorgeLennon100]

Maybe the reason trouble seems to find him is that he may run with people who are trouble. Finding a new choice in friends sometimes seems to have a way of trouble leaving you alone. Just saying.

[@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995]

Dude I have way more guns than all of these people can buy I guarantee you that and I So to my friends and I don't know a single individual or even know somebody that knows somebody that engages in behaviors like this. So yeah I would say he runs with the wrong people.

[@belladamex767]

I don’t know, it sounds like his child’s mother enjoys hanging with idiots… he seems like a decent kind of guy with no arrests and trying to do better than the usual dirtbags…

[@markwurz8577]

@@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995 who cares about how many guns you have dude? Good for you for havin 40 aero precision builds and P80 fake glocks. You didn’t even need to bring up guns whatsoever…the original comment wasn’t even about gun ownership. You just wanted to flex…”bro I own soooo many guns” -a fed probably

[@OnTheDLum]

I almost came close to his shape situation sometimes you can get caught with the wrong woman or the wrong man depending on who you are and what you like. I helped and showed my vulnerability to the wrong person That's all it took there was no hanging out with the wrong people. Some people see other people's vulnerabilities and they latch on to them like parasites. I am so lucky to have my life and freedom.

[@LeverPhile]

Yes, but unfortunately he's tied to that baby mama.

[@RNG-999]

NO WAY, A defensive shooting Washington state even though we just banned our high-cap magazines? Shit.

[@domination1985]

I'll stay in Oklahoma with our constitutional carry

[@RNG-999]

@@domination1985 Matter of years until Washington politicians take ours away near entirely. Muskets only!

[@thegreencat9947]

This was over a year ago Sept 2021...does that make a difference?

[@wutafungi]

Happened in Lakewood Washington... Gloria's brother died and Gloria was arrested...

[@Kaleena43]

As someone who grew up in the suburbs, it’s so disheartening to see that people resort to these type of actions in these communities. When do people have enough of it and change and work to stop all this asinine, completely unnecessary violence. People feeling that their respect comes from fear and being known as someone who “shoots”. So f’ing dumb.

[@YTjndallas]

Poor dude seems innocent as hell. But he spewed his mouth to police instead of to an attorney instead. Anything you say WILL be used against you.

[@DoubleBogeyBaker]

People please pay attention, when police talk to you it isn’t because they are interested in becoming your friend. They are talking to you to use what you say against you in a court case

[@mv3029]

If you lawfully carry a firearm for personal protection, the best thing you can do is get legal protection in case you have to use your tools for defense. That said, this man did himself no favors being interrogated by the police without a lawyer. Law enforcement is not your friend when they are interrogating you.

[@jenniferbraziel8711]

I need part 2 of the sister interrogation

[@AliValentine143]

I know he's still mad they came after his coworkers and him over nothing because I had a CC in the same state, they drilled it in, "even if a completely innocent in an act of self-defense don't give a statement, give it to your attorney." They must've given 60 examples as to how it can go wrong, I'm glad it seems to be all well for Clay, he didn't deserve an attack by the psycho siblings who don't have the lifeskills to talk things out or ignore.

[@elizabritton4039]

What does cc stand for?

[@aaronmuhr2305]

What is that in the middle of the floor......A RAT TRAP!!??? 😆 🤣 😂

[@madmike8365]

They tell you that anything you say can and will be used against you. They leave out the fact that anything you say is not going to be used for you. One wrong statement and your case and life will be forever changed. They don't have to tell the truth in there.

[@Shawn-rq4py]

I’m a retired LEO. Don’t ever talk w police without an attorney. Your only response should be “I really want to help you & will cooperate fully however I need to protect myself and I want a Lawyer “. Then don’t say anything else until they get there. You may sit in jail until they get there but it’ll be worth it. You can give your name & address but anything else should only be said w a lawyer present. Don’t fall for “we’re just trying to clear things up” or “we just need some help to close the case” etc. they have a job to do. Get a lawyer Lastly if you own/carry a firearm you need insurance. I use USCCA. Their lawyers specialize in the 2nd A and shootings. Let them talk for you

[@remodz6385]

USCCA is a as horrible service. Look into REAL self defense insurance. Just read people ms experience with USCCA and you’ll see they don’t offer what they advertise. They will drop you like a kid with an ice cream cone.

[@sambennett7606]

110% bit burner account for USCAA Clever marketing though but almost deceptive as law enforcement

[@romanianfps]

Yeah great idea go ahead and give the prosecutor more fuel to the fire lmao.... Joining the USCCA for the purpose of being protected after a shooting is clearly a pre-determined act. Obviously the USCCA offers more than just legal counseling but if you aren't using those resources, they will ask what is the purpose of being apart of the group?

[@Shawn-rq4py]

@@sambennett7606 well you’re wrong about all of it. I’m a real person but you believe whatever you want. Lol. You people are clueless but think your 110% right. Lol

[@davinlaiacoma9566]

@@romanianfps having car insurance makes you pre-determined to crash

[@NaughtyShepherd]

As an artist myself, when the detective comes back in and asks if he could label the sketch and Clay (a tattoo artist) says “you want me to make it look better?” I couldn’t help but laugh and think after all this that’s happened he still has the mindset to make the best sketch possible. 😂

[@NaughtyShepherd]

@@copperfronts1679 🤣👍🏼

[@nacholife2750]

my gosh! I completely understood that moment. When it happened I said: Yep, he's an artist!

[@amthatwas]

If the poor guy wants to strive for a better life, he really needs to leave his girlfriend. Aside from the fact that she cheated on him, her choice of company is problematic. It's really hard to stay out of trouble when you're constantly surrounded by troublesome people.

[@jelanitarik7423]

💯💯💯💯💯 Facts.

[@msstarlight4770]

Was there a previous video that will give me more context on this one? I have no idea when, or much of what, happened in this case.

[@leolego2]

yeah literally what am I even watching??

[@msstarlight4770]

@@leolego2 Thanks for replying, I appreciate that. I was beginning to wonder if the case was so well known in America that the channel holder didn't feel the need for a description. (I'm a New Zealander).

[@Hollyj0lly69]

Its a random interrogation, some ppl like to watch it to see how the interrogator tries to catch the person they are interrogated and also they wanna see how the person defends themself or tries to lie

[@DW94576]

Look up “tattoo shop shooting Lakewood Washington” the guy in the video killed the other guy but was deemed innocent due to self defense.

[@msstarlight4770]

@@DW94576 Thank you so much! I really appreciate your taking the time to reply. It was so strange for this channel to give no information on the video and I'm in New Zealand, so it's not as if I would have recognized the guy from being on the news, etc. Thanks, again. : ) 👍👍☺

[@IroquoisPlissken11]

As someone within a law enforcement capacity, and is going into LE; DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE IF YOU EVER USE YOUR FIREARM IN SELF DEFENSE

[@NewsCrasher]

He better leave his baby momma if he wants success

[@tommyK7282]

He should have had a lawyer present before any questioning, self-defense 101.

[@stevethul1]

I teach CCW/PCP in Ham Lake, MN where I STRESS to all my students NOT to give any statements until they have an attorny and they have had at least 24 hrs. before any interviews.

[@Gdone]

I hope this man who stood is ground will not be charged with any crime

[@Ivanovitch2885]

"I want to cooperate with your investigation so I will answer all your questions with my attorney present." And multiple cops will ask you so they can write it in their notebook so always give them the same answer. You're going to spend some time in jail until an attorney can get to you, but they have the best advice. No matter how clean you think the shoot was or what kind of threat you faced. Shut the hell up and let your attorney defend you.

[@Tat2Dragons]

Excellent advice. 👍

[@beardly0121]

For the record Glocks actually do have 3 safeties which are all passive rather than being a mechanical safety that you click on and off. If you're using a proper holster designed for your pistol then it is perfectly safe to carry it with a loaded chamber and in fact hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers and citizen concealed carriers do exactly that every day. Train with your firearm and carry it in a manner that allows you to use it as quickly and safely as possible. It worked out alright for this guy but I personally would rather carry a G19 with a 15 round mag and one in the chamber than a G27 and have to dig in a back pack for an extended mag.

[@joelglanton6531]

Word up. I deleted the external safety on my S&W M&P Mod 2.0. I appendix carry it as well as my M&P Shield, which also has no external safety, with one in the chamber. I also sometimes appendix carry a 1911 in .38 Super, also with one in the chamber. The designers of these weapons knew what they were doing. If I can walk around all day with a round chambered and pointed at my nuts, so can anyone.

[@youtoober87]

Just an observation of the silliness that occurred. Interview starts with both people masked and on opposite sides of a plastic window. It ends with no masks, sitting next to each other. Don't ever let them bring those "rules" back.

[@se6586]

Not a single lockdown governor got voted out man it’s a lost cause

[@youtoober87]

@@se6586 non compliance still works

[@petesilvestri]

It’s miraculous….

[@randallsmerna384]

The fact that they are reading him his rights before questioning him tells you exactly what their intentions are! LAWYER UP. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE!

[@amthatwas]

They literally can't question him without reading his rights first. They're never going to read you your rights *after* they question you, because that would make no sense. You should still definitely get an attorney before you say anything though.

[@intrepidinvestigator5539]

This is a highly intelligent and credible young man. I’ve watched hundreds of hours of interrogation videos. This man is telling the truth. I hope he can get through this. He’s going to be a great dad. Mom? Meh doesn’t seem so much

[@heatherd.9390]

Stuff is getting crazy out there. This man's words as he was talking on the phone to the tattoo shop owner really hit me in the gut. "I'm just trying to succeed..." and the part about how when everything is starting to go well, bullshit rears itself in some way shape or form. I felt for this guy. I don't know how or who this story is about - I'd like to read what happened (per the media, *sigh). Was the guy who he returned fire on get hit? Anyways, if there is ever a chance that this guy finds this video and reads these comments, I just want to say that I'm sorry this happened to you. I'm glad that you were able to protect yourself.

[@Cloudroth]

Lawyer up always! Even if it's no where near as serious as this.

[@barkingbunny4689]

I bet this whole situation happened in under 5 seconds. I couldn't imagine having to make a decision like this in that short period of time. After something like this happens, you have all the time in the world to think about the why's and what if's, but in the moment you don't have seconds. Praying for the people who have had to go through something like this 🙏

[@droid1323]

No matter what happened if you get mirandized ask for a lawyer asap

[@americantrucker9813]

Damn I guess I’ll say it too ! Every word you Say without a Lawywr is a step closer to jail and a mile from freedom.