Destiny Debates RP Godfather Rollo And Michael Sartain On Fresh N Fit

SNEAKO & @destiny VS @RolloTomassi & @MichaelSartain DEBATE!
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00:00 Teaser / Intro
00:41 Do you believe in pair bonding?
04:39 Serial monogamy
16:28 Women celebrate cheating?
29:35 We can only argue from data
34:24 Women are hypergamy but research...
45:49 Defending Destiny against superchat
58:30 Divorce debate
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[@destiny]

SNEAKO & @destiny VS @RolloTomassi & @MichaelSartain DEBATE! (FULL DEBATE) kzbin.infoHBb9B3b916Q?feature=share

[@ASimpleHeroinUser]

Just wanted to tell ya I didn't like u at first from the many times u debated with Sneako. Usually it was cuz if ur uncanny skills at being unbiased and bringing in so much information to the dull subject making it almost too complex for people the argue cuz the wordplay is automatically defeating them. But after disliking/hating a person for awhile because of their skills u eventually just let it pass and respect them. If u see any trolling from the past it was before the day of reckoning of ur respect sir 🫡

[@eluddite889]

Anyway, most of the problems in dating are a consequence of feminists demanding that men never approach them in person and only online. And if you listen to them what actually happens is you wind up getting ignored because 90% of all men get completely ignored online. Women don't have to understand this fact because their entire mating strategy is choosing a man that was already selected by many other women. Tristan Tate did a video about this and you 100% agreed. So it's scary the level of cognitive dissonance you have when it comes to how broken dating is and how it has nothing to do with men. Feminists created this dynamic and men are being told to fix it for some reason. Men only recognized that if they can't meet a woman in real life and they have to meet a woman online then the only way they can do that is by becoming something they don't really want to, an athlete/playboy, because most of the average/unattractive woman you meet in real life are sleeping with someone like that in their social circles that are entirely constructed around giving that one woman attention.

[@tlcdre9308]

I feel it’s more on how destiny can respond fast and smart and handle himself in debates that I hope to take from him💯

[@eluddite889]

@@tlcdre9308 The problem is he's dead wrong. Most women have been meeting men online for the past 15 years? And the only way for men to ever be good enough to meet women online is to be a 50 shades of grey character. Most men can't make the cut so they immediately tune out especially since having sex with many different women isn't really what men want. So Destiny is completely off base. Half of an entire generation of men that were trying to connect with women missed out because of feminism telling women men approaching them in real life had bad intentions.

[@eluddite889]

For most guys there was never really an opportunity to find love by interacting with women you had a real connection with in person. Most of what you get is just casual sex with women you don't feel that interested in beyond sex. I don't think that's incredibly motivating for men. When I meet women online they typically want something really risky but all the risk is being taken by the man. The woman wants rape play, or sex without a condom, or sex in public or something like that. The woman is taking 0 risk the man is taking 100% risk. And being a guy that wants more than just casual random sex I'd rather wander off and do anything else and I'd argue most men are the same. We don't just want to fuck 100 different girls. I still have a crush on the same girl I liked in highschool 15 years ago I think about it alot because it was the last time I was was really...motivated? And I think that's the truth for a lot of men. Truth is she's probably not that great of a person. But I still remember the sound of her voice, you know? Casual hookup culture that feminists forced on everyone will never make you feel that way. They make you feel the same way when you jerk off. LOL.

[@GetArkd]

Destiny: *makes a claim* Rollo: *scoffs and laughs* Mike: That's true Rollo: 😬

[@Anks70]

Yep, I caught that too 😂

[@user-xd2nx9mh1j]

Every time!

[@greasy8394]

So when Mike defends Steve, Rollo immediately switches sides? Lol

[@lavie7358]

@@Anks70 time stap I want to see that lol

[@johnsnow9314]

Time stamp please lol

[@Charlie_probably...]

Destiny was well qualified for this debate. He understands women better than everyone else because Destiny is a woman's name

[@paulocastro4524]

😂

[@Carolbaskin23]

Amazin

[@aidankelly5331]

😐

[@singlemamanodrama4546]

I am so brainwashed now that I would hear a woman named Destiny and ask myself why does she have a guy's name. lol

[@John-yq9qx]

What is a woman?

[@Jake-zg1ue]

It's amazing how much more listenable this podcast is, when Fresh and Fit stop talking.

[@lakewood145]

Especially Fresh

[@therealexpletive]

becasue they were lost in the sauce technically. they diddnt prepare and couldnt refute plain facts and statistics.

[@gabagabago0l]

Cause they're stupid and say dumb shit all the time.

[@GKJusticar55]

Especially Fresh.

[@michaelh878]

@@therealexpletive Thet were moderators not part of the debate.

[@noahcupp5055]

rollos friend is an actual good faith debater and should be brought on the stream more often

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Because Rollo can't do the debate himself? Has to get a real man to do it for him?

[@doms5755]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 lowkey bro HAD to grab him. I’m sure Destiny knows this

[@machriskily8372]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 well to be fair it was originally 2 v. 2 until Sneako decided to ragequit on "his boy" Lestiny. But a w to Destiny for his sticking around and receiving his humbling experience of the Red Pill. GG.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

@@machriskily8372 The debate should have been Destiny vs Rollo

[@garrymiller3171]

​@@machriskily8372 you actually take the redpill stuff seriously?

[@novacancy5806]

Mike's back must be killing him from having to carry Rollo for over an hour.

[@sammyismuff]

Rollo brought his daddy dom to speak for him. Debate strats smh

[@turnerburner922]

LMAO

[@johnnysins9054]

It was over 4 hours actually 😂

[@scaryjoker]

@@sammyismuff Destiny brought his fellow cuck Sneako too

[@weebkomplex1262]

the full podcast was over 4 hours. Sneako left halfway through

[@genshishio9316]

Mike must have been one heck of a marine since he can carry Rollo’s dead weight the whole debate. 😂

[@MelissaSVice]

Rollo was here? Strange. I didn't notice 🤔.

[@Bryman5000]

Seriously. Rollo is getting praised for becoming my Carried and leaded

[@milantarbuk1039]

@@Threelegs94 When did Mike repeat what Rollo was saying, from what I've seen that Mike constantly points out how his views different from Rollo's...

[@Bryman5000]

@@Threelegs94 ya rollo out of his league

[@ZeroOptions]

☠️🤣🤣🤣

[@MasterFaiyn]

Good to see Destiny debating the godfather of role playing

[@thegrimeyhole]

TRULEY the grand wizard 🗿

[@Imperial_Squid]

Who knew Rollo was the godfather of Received Pronunciation

[@lustrazor44]

Role playing a man as a bitch is truly exhausting

[@F34RDSoldier805]

What the fuck did he put all his stats in?

[@olknoxlo]

@@F34RDSoldier805 Charisma, But his skills are all bluff based. He's clearly a fighter built like a rogue smh.

[@PraisetheSun150]

Rollo went from godfather of the red pill to its janitor in the course of two weeks

[@Anks70]

💀

[@PraisetheSun150]

@@asimhussain8716 wasn’t he like some big audit guy or something? He should go back to that

[@504gucci4]

Stop slurping destiny

[@PraisetheSun150]

@@504gucci4 touch grass

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill guys for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@kikaGama98]

This was surprisingly a very respectful debate.

[@fxj3014]

unfortunately

[@SPACEDOUT19]

@@fxj3014 just bring Nick Fuentes to spice things up and there you go.

[@MelissaSVice]

it usually is once they're face to face. Destiny doesn't pop off on people unless they pop off first or say some really contradicting shit like Fresh normally does.

[@PhilRockwell]

Everybody wants the jerry springer(rip) styled event.

[@neverbackdown1918]

Face to face is generally more like that. It’s like those videos of dogs barking angrily at each other behind a fence, but once the fence is removed, they completely stop their barking lol.

[@javanrowe3579]

Lowkey i was surprised how technical the RP guys were. This was a pretty productive and calm discussion. I’m sick of the RP Saga but this was still a great discussion

[@sambf]

It's kind of annoying, having seen the RP evolve , that people today think its just a bunch of guys beating their chests and yelling "I'm the alpha!" There's plenty of room for discussion over scientific studies/evidence, which is why this debate was productive and enjoyable.

[@uhok6712]

@@sambf it is that mostly tho tbh, 85%> bad faith and misplaced anger

[@MrAdamloring1985]

It’s because the room isn’t full of a bunch of clueless women that they like to bully on camera. It’s a guy who can actually hold his own in the conversation.

[@thelonercoder5816]

​@@uhok6712 no it isn't lol. It's another case of the vocal minority getting the most attention because they say the most controversial stuff..

[@ASimpleHeroinUser]

Rollo was so lost lol. In all for red pill community but he's embarrassing at so many points

[@johnleoks7642]

Don’t let the civility of this convo fool you. If you paid attention, Destiny made both Sartain and Rollo concede so much ground with studies and research, they had no choice but to agree with him multiple times. Sartain even threw Rollo under the bus a couple times and said he didn’t agree with Rollo but agrees with Destiny. There’s a reason why Rollo was silent 80% of the time, he was outmatched both in terms of rhetoric and knowledge. He did not expect Destiny to bring the stats and research with him to counter all his talking points.

[@skugga7]

I expected some resistance when Destiny challenged the "alpha fuck beta bucks" theory, but they eventually conceded due to the overwhelming statistical evidence and research presented. Personally, I found "The Rational Male" by Rollo to be transformative in my dating life through practical application. However, I don't identify as a redpiller because it contradicts the very premise of the movement. The redpill was initially created as a response to imposed ideologies and laws, aiming to encourage critical thinking and questioning societal norms. By blindly adhering to a set of prescribed rules and rhetoric, one undermines the essence of the redpill philosophy, which emphasizes independent thought and personal empowerment.

[@booleah6357]

I noticed that too. Also it was funny Rollo brought his boyfriend to fight his battles for him.

[@the1andthe272]

This is why red pill is a bunch of bullshit especially when you do your own research and understand what you are reading

[@booleah6357]

@@JakeStarz. Right to insults. Real great points there. You going to ask me what color my Bugatti is next?

[@Gerberous]

The second I saw rollo was talking with his hat covering his eyes in a debate I knew he was rolling over

[@Shaggy-intothewild]

I love how Fresh looks like he is utterly lost in the conversation 😅

[@Trulywittatooly]

Dude is useless.

[@Notoriouscj1]

I 😂😂😂

[@calisha1889]

If he’s not speaking on behalf of, or echoing the watered-down sentiments of Myron, he doesn’t contribute much to anything (or anyone who isn’t a sugar baby reaching in his pockets)

[@lechell2886]

I honestly think he was he says nothing during the whole debate and genuinely looked confused lol

[@frankmyrz]

He’s dead weight

[@rudypujenkins6890]

I feel bad for Fresh. All he wants to do is not be there and go "network".

[@supernova7848]

He should be taking notes !

[@doms5755]

Fresh wouldn’t be able to talk in these debates lol

[@shaylovli]

He’s not that intellectual to be apart of this conversation and I feel as if Myron is not either, but doesn’t mean they don’t belong in the room.

[@blackviking2079]

@@shaylovli he has a computer science degree. It’s not like he’s a Moron

[@perc-ai]

@@shaylovli Destiny IQ 153 Mike IQ 142 Rollo IQ 130 Myron IQ 127 Fresh IQ 105

[@IAteYourSandwich]

This dude is living proof that writing a book doesn't mean you know things.

[@-glitch-8195]

Thing is these rp dudes don’t understand ANYONE can write a book. Rollo isn’t even an academic. I don’t understand how exactly they see him as well informed considering he’s a reductionist who rabbles on 😂

[@R2d2..]

but- but- but he wrote a book 🥺

[@STARK0181]

​​@@-glitch-8195xactly. Red pill dudes will pretend like Rollo is an expert, which makes his irrefutable. However, the reality is that Rollo is not an academic. Rollo's work has been self-published, as in not peer-reviewed. Rollo has no acknowledgement or backing from any reputable academic experts,bodies or institutions.

[@JohnDoe-nm5le]

@@STARK0181 but is he not more or less just regurgitating shit that he read from academics? in the actual full video, both him and mike refer to this doctor, that doctor, this study, and that study. sure, maybe some of their analysis is out of their ass. why does he need backing from academic experts to say," Study X says Y."

[@STARK0181]

@@JohnDoe-nm5le He does, but he cherry picks research from those academics, namely Dr David Buss, to fit his narrative.

[@mellowtron214]

*Destiny is in top form on this one. He did enough deep research in a week to stand toe to toe with people who’ve been steeped in this HYPER-NICHE ideological cul de sac for over a decade. That’s pretty impressive in my book. Most people don’t even do the research, better yet digest it. I find the whole subject boring as fuck, and vague enough to justify whatever presuppositions you come to the table with; but it’s always interesting to see Destiny in his natural habitat.*

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill guys for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@quandraadams7583]

​@@Sigmaasphere except his argument is NOT " he [Destiny] can sleep with multiple women and they [RP guys] cannot"- as you described it. His argument IS "RP guys are hypocrites because RP guys say they can sleep with multiple women while at the same time bashing women for being promiscuous."

[@reddillon8425]

@@Sigmaasphere Destiny has never, a single time, shamed the idea of casual sex or guys having casual sex. The reason he shames redpill guys for having casual sex is because redpill guys go on and on about how they want a tradcon virgin to marry WHILE aiming to have casual sex. And furthermore, he's not really shaming them, he's just explaining to them that look, he grew up in a conservative family and he KNOWS that conservative women are disgusted by men who sleep around, it is what it is.

[@errwhattheflip]

@@Sigmaasphere He never shamed people for it. He shamed people for justifying cheating. What he does isn't cheating

[@volusiasorange]

destiny is a bit of a beast

[@CamBoone]

Fresh put his smooth brain on sleep mode for this 😂

[@ThaFonzz]

😂😂😂😂

[@mikepal830]

Lmao

[@paarker]

He’s one of those guys where every conversation is better when he doesn’t speak and just nods.

[@missp498]

His smooth brain lol.

[@mober111]

Destiny on his own vs 4 in person redpillers? Damn, i feel bad for those 4 guys they're about to get cooked.

[@cordcd7]

Kinda like how destiny is a literal cuck? LOL!!!

[@frankbrownii8489]

Myron and fresh stayed out of it and sneako wasn't much help so it was really a 2vs 1

[@qaaronrodgers2479]

Myron is the mediator goofball.

[@OmniDarkz]

Next level slurping NGL 😂😭

[@vicdemone3243]

Your really gave him the gawk gawk before you even heard a word of this debate 😂

[@danaolsongaming]

Seeing the live chat during this, I kinda feel bad for all the dudes out there that are going to wake up when they're 35 and realize the red pill has actually been the true blue pill. Their grind for the past 15 years has been for nothing because their E-Commerce still hasn't taken off, they've spent all their disposable income on Creator-Kit pyramid schemes, and haven't "fucked their way through their 20s" and are terminally alone cause they were so autistically telling every woman what it means to be a high value man and how women should act based on "psych evo."

[@hehehehehehehehehehe2881]

Its going to be funny when Sneakers reealizes Islam is bullshit to

[@noammanakermorag9538]

Exactly. These dudes are “escaping the matrix” just to grind their asses off in crypto scams

[@MelissaSVice]

@@hehehehehehehehehehe2881 even funnier when they all realize how retarded they look as "grown and mature adults" spewing this cry for validation during this era. The RP era was such a disservice to so many idiots who didn't learn how to be their own person.

[@Macheako]

I mean….you don’t feel THAT bad 😂😂 be real ❤

[@MelissaSVice]

@@Macheako hard to feel bad for dudes who should be old enough to make their own decisions.

[@unintentional_smile]

As a cis-woman who has two kids and is currently 23 weeks pregnant, I cannot tell you how cringe it is listening to men speak about how I supposedly feel during the phases of my cycle.

[@GunitCPT]

The fact you just called yourself “cis” tells me everything I need to know about you. I also know to completely ignore everything you say lol

[@leonildes86]

Saying women are more bitchy during our cycle because we are pushing away betas… nope it’s because cramps hurt. These men know nothing about women and speak like they’re experts. Really cringe 😬

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

​@@GunitCPT The fact that you over reacted says everything about you

[@AfroGaz71]

Did you really need to qualify yourself as cis? Having two kids and one on the way is pretty much self explanatory in that regards.

[@leonildes86]

@@AfroGaz71 why are you so butt hurt over what she called herself?

[@booleah6357]

You know that Mike guy going out of his way to stick up for Destiny against chat despite being his debate opponent while also carrying Rollo was pretty cool. All disagreements aside chad move I wish more discussions went like this.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Not cool that Rollo needs backup because he's incapable of intelligent discourse

[@booleah6357]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 he's also pretty old I get it. Sometimes grandad needs a strong helping hand to get to his debates.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

@@booleah6357 It's not his age, it's his lack of intellect.

[@booleah6357]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 well you know when you get older memory starts to go too.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

@@booleah6357 I'm older than him and am far more capable of having intelligent conversation with people

[@Kunreal89]

As deep as this talk went, i still think it's missing a huge part: The place where children first learn what a relationship is and how it works. How they need to be, what they need to do and what they need to hide for it to "function" (which means for them to be safe). Their first ever relationship: with their parents. I think this has so much more influence on how and if an adult is capable of forming a successful long-term relationship.

[@An0nAm0nda]

Well-said!

[@CEWIII9873]

and their uncle?

[@Jolts30]

Rollo got real quiet in the debate and Michael had to bail him out. Disagree with him but Michael is super good faith tho. 😮

[@XmokiPT]

lol, what about Sneako who disappeared after 1h? that guy is full of sh*t, when he can't use ad hominem attacks and jokes, he's out of content, what a joke

[@4LP3E]

rollo doesn't need to talk fast and ramble on to shift goalpost to make real points and school destiny

[@faikerdogan2802]

And İdk why the hat was sooo annoying

[@XmokiPT]

@@AlbinoWhiteGuy yeah the complete one, not a cut version, this is like 25% of the full stream, Destiny did a very good job presenting facts and arguments, but make no mistake, Rollo didnt lose this debate

[@4LP3E]

@@AlbinoWhiteGuy we watched the same debate. rollo schooled destiny and destiny agreed with rollo. destiny behaved like a good child too.

[@liveatthemaximum5540]

This was a civil discussion but it also very much felt like Rollo was doing his best to fly under the radar after he made himself like a fool in his last conversation. Notice how polite he is to Destiny, he even laughs at a few of his jokes and recommends a book for him. In layman’s terms, it’s clear to me he realized that Destiny wasn’t the one to play with, and he most definitely did not want the smoke.

[@marq_]

@@dakudaddy4856you keep coming back to comment on his channel you’re a fan

[@dutchdario635]

@Daku Daddy man is casually 1 vs 2 debating Cause he’s confident enough in his believes lol And Rolo is still being passive as fuck

[@pencilcase8068]

He got nuked by destiny and sneaky(the unlikely ultimate team)

[@tm5123]

@@marq_ The best fans are the ragewatchers, they'll watch everyminute of your content lol.

[@demondev4856]

It is interesting that Destiny started out strongmaning Sneako and then Sartain was strongmaning Rollo. A lot of people (me included) didn't think this would be a debate with people engaging in good faith. I still question if this situation would happen if Rollo wasn't backed into a corner. Pushback on Rollo's inconsistencies in ideas, definitely shaped the conversation to be more good faith in hindsight. Makes you realize how easy it is to get one tracked on specific topics. We should be able to challenge our understanding when new information is presented. We should weigh how well it fairs against our known facts and either update or discard the new information if it does not fit. Unfortunately, now it puts Sneako back at square one in terms of improvement in world view. It appears that his ability to engage with such high level concepts needs working on. Props to him for leaving, because he realized that he didn't have much to contribute. I will say F&F where super quiet. Myron was taking notes, but I wonder if he just cared about things that make his RP takes legitimate. In the end, his book probably has a lot more contradiction to the studies used in the discussion between Sartain and Destiny. I guess he had no choice to double down and plug his poorly researched book.

[@user-vc1ko1lb9t]

Thank you, Destiny. Rollo’s advice has made an entire generation terrified to even talk to women, based on this idea we are all evil, seeking to reproduce with men other than our husbands at all times. 😹 His bias thinking this is normal behavior is an embarrassing self report. Based on how he dresses and grooms himself alone, I’m shocked anyone can take this dude seriously.

[@ravanadevadas3770]

feminism demonised men long before the red pill came around.

[@portiadefleur7818]

Men don't even think women are people. For the most part, they think in terms of what they would do and not what women would do. That's the basis of most of their beliefs.

[@Earthad23]

Don’t you have a boy band you need to go scream at?

[@marq_]

@@Earthad23get a life you’re on every comment virgin

[@abdulla10955]

@@Earthad23 Nice one dude

[@johnnyestrada6993]

Great debate between Destiny and Rollo’s caregiver.

[@henrytep8884]

You know the rp lost the plot when they start talking about women ovulation cycles.

[@anthonyg6517]

rollo’s energy changed real quick when he speaks to someone that actually reads lol

[@N.O.A_YT]

All i can say is ppl thinking too hard about relationships between men and women. Everyone wants to be with someone who fits their quality of standards. Plain and simple.

[@Pearlygirl56]

I completely agree. Rationalizing something so simple is counterproductive.

[@joshuaadrian480]

​@@Pearlygirl56 absolutely.

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill men for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@joshuaadrian480]

@@Sigmaasphere I don't think he shames men for that, I think the red pill message that success is in having sex with multiple women is what he fights against. Also one sided open relationships with men being open is also something he disagrees with. He has casual hookups within his agreed upon open relationship, but he doesn't shame people for engaging in sex.

[@N.O.A_YT]

@@Sigmaasphere you clearly haven't watched a much of his debates yet alone any

[@WillyMacShow]

They’re all taking turns citing studies about what makes women attracted to men 😂 They talk about girls like they’re aliens lol

[@Weebgamer236]

If not everyone will just talk anecdotes and we will go no where

[@AfroDevil]

​@@Weebgamer236 knowing willy's content I doubt he can understand this.

[@cipriangeorgescu9107]

Have you ever heard about evolutionary psychology?

[@yorhahoudini4531]

@@cipriangeorgescu9107 Yes, but nothing in that substantiates such a childish understanding

[@redaderoua8816]

True, like mid through the debate I had to pause for a moment like "why are we talking about women like lab rats" 😂

[@suckstosuck2032]

Oh dear, what’s Red Pill Dumbledore going to say this time…

[@supernova7848]

😂😂

[@johnsonjunior547]

Red pill grand wizard back at it

[@henrytep8884]

Douche nozzles in this chat

[@Slashgibber]

Rollo is an absolute master at shifting the goalpost whenever someone points out the flaws in his logic.

[@forthdimension686]

Rollo doesn't realize it yet, but he's just lost a large amount of credibility due to his lack of communication/social skills. Good opportunity seized by Mike through!

[@gabemord5088]

I disagree. This conversation just proved Rollo was right. He couldn't define what a high value man was because it's subjective.

[@PhilRockwell]

He's a introvert writer. But RP doesnt begin or end with him. From now till the end of time u csn always described what the dating market does. That's basically what red 💊 pill is. Only reason nobody blue pill like it cause its tells, uncomfortable truths about current female nature. Example: She will leave your ass just cause she's bored. But anyways RP at its core is an underground movement for Men. It is not meant for this hyper-feminine mainstream society. That is about too crumble sooner than later.

[@tiktokasylum5186]

@@Threelegs94 true

[@forthdimension686]

​​@@tiktokasylum5186yeah but nobodies going to want to buy your book, if you can't verbally defend your ideas within the book. That's marketing 101

[@ASH-su6nb]

@@gabemord5088 What LOL. Then the term HVM man is meaningless, since it doesn't exist as an objective parameter. the entire point of red pill is to get to the goal of HVM, if it's subjective to every person, it makes the term meaningless to the red pill community

[@edwin1845]

rollo was embarassed last time he came back now and didnt have the same energy, being a coward isnt very alpha

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Needing a do-over debate and having another man speak for him isn't alpha at all

[@mizkomunikation9478]

Rollo is so lame. He started with a ridiculous tweet, then failed to defend his own words, and for the 2nd time he’s surrounded by people trying to defend him. It’s like he can’t function in a debate unless it’s an entire room against whoever disagrees with him.

[@carlod5818]

rolo just cant debate, he can roll over girls when he is in a position of power but i dont think he knows how to wield arguments or facts when his opposition isnt intimidated or just as informed as him

[@ataraxia7439]

What is your profile pic?

[@griffiththechad9483]

This was the first time I watched an FnF video let alone a 4 hour livestream and it was honestly one of the best RP vids I’ve seen/heard on KZbin. I might not agree with everything Destiny says on dating but he truly went off here.

[@couldyou4745]

I'm curious, where do you disagree with destiny about dating?

[@boogie8586]

​@@couldyou4745 he won't have a response, they never do

[@griffiththechad9483]

@@boogie8586 I don’t agree with Destiny on getting married and having children before 30 as man, I don’t agree with how he views dating standards these days, he called someone insecure for caring about what their partner wore which I also don’t agree with. I’m not a brainless zombie like you who must agree with everything Destiny says. His words are gospel to you huh?

[@MrPerfume1979]

@@couldyou4745 he disputera they can not coalesce which they point out that the dual mating system can infect exist etc. destiny argues the serial monogamy strategy is the most based, but the dual mating view is congruent with the serial monogamy perspective. He tries to make an absolute when it is a question of percentages. For example he calls the pool guy a loser, which is one more case of his biased abstract view in which he tries to pin the opposite view to their words on singular metrics for women being drawn to a more attractive guy physically; he dumbs down his opposition and just a couple of days ago painted them and the “god father” as someone who couldn’t defend his takes bcs he didn’t get the answers outright. Being cocky first to than sitting in front of them courteously mentioning how he “feels” , on other occasions attacks when they bring anecdotes, which is basically the same thing; calling it feels is just a sneaky way to refer to experience that is anecdotal Just a couple of the criticisms and catering to a cult following by going quite on other occasions than conceding, leaving it in the ear as though he hadn’t otherwise pinned someone against the wall if he didn’t agree.

[@MrPerfume1979]

@fredda1188 how did you conclude that? Bcs he said so? I don’t see it being debunked but simply a different frame of reference on what essentially can be the same thing, promiscuous behavior is colloquially understood as being not committed to any particular person , but this could than be broadly descriptive of any behavior of someone who dumps their current partner/ breaks up as the presupposition of being committed should be under scrutiny from the dual mating tactic perspective ; in other words using serial monogamy descriptor obfuscates from actual behavior in where someone is supposedly monogamous. Monogamy in colloquial terms mean one life partner. Let’s say we go with the term serial monogamy, dual mating strategy ( although I believe multi strategy is more suitable term ) doesn’t have to be cheating but a desire to partners other than the one one is with. Women can have idols they admire and are drawn too, but do not entertain in a conscious regard as suitable mates bcs of them being out of reach and consequences of enacting of those desires intuitively are felt undesirable ; not bcs there isn’t attraction: but the desire is there, not the opportunity. So it comes to terms of status, accessibility etc that makes serial monogamy seem as the most effective, but for some that extend beyond monogamous behavior it extends their success. Simply bcs some fail bcs mostly bcs of overestimating their odds, while others succeed, is in no way contradictory of which one comes on top as the better or and falsely than the behavior more congruent with human behavior. Destiny basically chose a lifestyle without limitations, like Melina that are living the dual mating lifestyle in good conscience.

[@stndpenguin]

all this, and men still dont have a clue what women want

[@RuslanKD]

Why in the world is there two of them 😂😂😂 Michael is much more reasonable than Rollo. The entire discussion really falls on “dual mating strategies” which has been debunked.

[@INFP5w4]

Michael is smarter. He's ENTP 7w6.

[@thehumanbackpack6374]

So why do 1/3 of male paternity tests come back negative?

[@HelloFrisco]

Hope you talk to this Mike guy again. I enjoyed not hearing idiots scream at you saying you have blue hair

[@Yrgzip0]

Yeah I’ve never heard of him before, but he seemed very good faith and overall did well.

[@slymusic9108]

Well destiny is cucked by her wife and hes gay and has a blue hair. Thats being said its ironic that hes arguing about that women does not want to cuck their man and f the pool boy😂

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill men for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@slymusic9108]

@@Sigmaasphere he also gets run through by men because hes bi😂

[@D-AVGGamer]

After the absolute spanking Rollo took in the last debate, it was smart of him to just sit there and stay quiet while the grownup talked.

[@user-it1zf2kv7f]

@@Threelegs94 Rollo is bitchmade. Mogged by Destiny and her intellect.

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill men for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@Lili-ey1nd]

@@Sigmaaspherenot you running through every comment with a wrong claim😂 you’re all stupid and embarrassing , leave redpill while you still have a semblance of dignity

[@KasuraKumagi24]

Notice how Rollo hardly ever looks at Destiny, he ducks his hat and averts his space. Almost always looking at his phone, down or at any of his buddies. Beta moves are not based Rollo.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

He had to bring his intellectual dog to fight his fights for him

[@redwoodclimber]

Watching F&F live chat made me feel soooo grateful for DGG lmao

[@MelissaSVice]

F&F live chat is nothing more than a bunch of sad and lost fools who can't take accountability for their own choices in life. Sad how they allowed other's bad behavior to mold them into the bitter Beckies they are today.

[@MrPerfume1979]

Have you read the comments? Their comment section sure are … special. But I wouldn’t say there is anything to be impressed of with people suckling on whatever destiny says without paus. I love when destiny partake on these exchanges instead of talking arrogantly about others , the very person he now ended having a constructive exchange with.

[@mxdm19]

There were so many Leako comments hours still going after he left LMAO

[@ianbenjiman]

Oh man are they basic or what

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill men for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@arcollins040thomas8]

I’m new to Destiny and I love this debate and I would like to know where Rollo gets his ideas of women from? We are not sleeping with a Beta male for security and switching to an Alpha male. And his description of women’s cycle is ridiculous and hilarious.

[@SF-op5ix]

The women’s cycle theory is so wild. That I’m “bitchy” because I went out and slept with a guy and feel bad? No, I’m bitchy because my hormones are crazy and skin inside of me is ripping off causing massive pain. He’s so out of touch with women.

[@marilynmasonis376]

Destiny always impresses me with his high intelligence, wit, and common sense.

[@nicoreyes3125]

Gay

[@ThePalisky]

@@nicoreyes3125 thank you for coming out

[@the1andthe272]

Yep it’s so attractive to see how intelligent he is and the fact that he gets it when it comes to women and this is the reason he is able to have an honest open relationship I promise you

[@DragonZombie2000]

​@@the1andthe272 he lets other men bang his girlfriend

[@lavion8090]

@@nicoreyes3125 this is a destiny is a woman joke

[@VersacePokemon]

Rollo Tomassi “The Emotional Male” would have got absolutely washed if he didn’t bring this other guy to help him.

[@midasthestallion4105]

I think was a W all around. One of the biggest issues between all these spaces is a lack of proper communication and respect for another person's point of view. This conversation shows how much better things could be if people just did their research, got together and talked to each other in good faith and tried to reach an understanding. We need more conversations like this between people from all walks of life and mindsets. There'd be a lot less anger all around there was.

[@R2d2..]

Nah Rollo needed someone else to talk for him 😭😭

[@dazza761]

What research.all of Rollo's research was debunked and they had to walk shit back multiple times in the debate. Just because there wasn't any shouting doesn't mean there wasn't a clear loser. Rollo's friend was just being a slimy fuck wiggling out of the answers and statistics.

[@TheWentzMachine]

I think you might be shocked at the sheer number of people who can't or won't engage with facts and statistics in good faith.

[@midasthestallion4105]

@@TheWentzMachine Oh I'm not. I see quite a few of them even in Destiny's community. Shit, even in this videos comment section. A pity, really.

[@TheWentzMachine]

@@midasthestallion4105 Kind of explains that biggest issue thing. I don't think it's exclusive to any kind of online space. It's a broader cultural phenomon. Idk what is like in other cultures, but in my swath of the USA, the will to ignorance is powerful.

[@SheckBest]

This debate is above Fresh. Bro was quiet the whole time, I forgot he was sitting there😭

[@machriskily8372]

Myron and to a lesser extent Fresh moderated this debate from the beginning between: Rollo and Michael Sartain vs. Sneako and Destiny. They said they would stay out of it to make it fair.

[@watchcrap1]

@@machriskily8372 yeah i think they were fair moderating this

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill men for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

Who would have thought that fresh and fit just needed a woman like destiny to come on and defend her side of the argument

[@tesselate8nowait262]

Did Rollo even need to be there? His only contribution was to posit through clenched teeth that there must be a reason why the research doesn’t support his theories. I legit started laughing when he interjected about there being no funding for divorce rape research. That’s when he truly realized how useless his presence was.

[@scottowldn8239]

Destiny wasn’t playing, the way he systematically brought up Ralo’s previous talking points and shut them down was masterful.

[@jayr399]

Destinys argument is girls aren’t smashing the good looking pool boy lmao this is delusional.

[@TheOnailer]

Man that "Jamie can we....." was great and totally sailed over everyone's head. Solid Roe Jogan reference.

[@MelissaSVice]

When Destiny goes off with the actual and full data points, you really start to see just how little these RP gurus actually understand about women or relationships. A bit embarrassing on their end considering they claim to know all about the opposite gender but can't refute any point Destiny makes effectively. Yikes...

[@MelissaSVice]

@@Johenz I can absolutely accept that if that was all these RP gurus directly said it was for. Unfortunately, they use it as a disguise to seek out and sleep with an abundance of women for the sake of creating a nuclear family. That's where they already fucked up. Never once do any of these RP gurus actually state it's merely just for hookup culture. In fact, they're full of contradictions considering they're very much against hookup culture, while stating a man needs to have slept with at least 50 women for 'experience', and believing women should not be so casual in sleeping around, but then can't provide how men are supposed to sleep with 50+ women if women were supposed to remain virgins until marriage. It's very messy and they try to pass off RP as if it's something pure or powerful to be valued when it's just disgusting and selfish behavior.

[@WaxPaper]

​@@Johenz The thing is, that encouragement to get out and be social, to get it together and take some chances, doesn't have to come along with all the other stuff. The whole issue of why that matters is because the redpill ideology could be more harmful in the long run, as opposed to simpler messages of self-improvement and encouragement. I feel like the whole movement is just setting guys up for failure in their 30s.

[@MelissaSVice]

@@Johenz 1000000% hard agree with you on the take that RP will not be able to attain, only maintain a temporary position as an everyday fuck boy.

[@missinterpretation4984]

It doesn’t though because all they offer is get money and muscles to get girls which is unattainable for most men. Meanwhile there are regular dudes out here getting girls by having a personality which is something they do not advise on at all.

[@qwertyasdfgh1014]

Everyone who attacks RP does it because they clearly push men to work on themselves, stand on their own two feet, take responsibility, get in shape, understand female nature, raise their game and hook with as many women as possible. That's why BP feminists bother you because you want men be weak/virgin/cuck/simp.

[@rocknjock872]

This is very simple. A woman's body is suppose to be sacred. Women sleeping around is damaging to them physically and mentally. For men, it is not an example of a real man to take advantage of what would damage a woman because men are suppose to protect women. If you are contributing to a woman's body count with no intentions of being with her, you are scum. These dudes get on podcasts bashing women for sleeping around, telling them how bad it is and that they need to take accountability for their past. Then in the same sentence tell men to be a man by sleeping with 50 girls, taking no accountability in damaging women.

[@wiredvibe1678]

Women aren't property. Your views make you a scumbag in my book.

[@JohnDoe-nm5le]

who is a man to deny a woman who wants to sleep with him? what kind of man denies women such amazing pleasure? talk about being scum. "please baby, i want you to rock n jock me. please. I need you. I want you. PLEASE. PLEASE PLEASE."

[@JG-he6kh]

This is one of the dumbest takes I have ever witnessed

[@spectre1725]

It's not very simple. You are simplifying it because you can't cope with it being more complicated. Alone the statement that sleeping around is damaging for women but somehow not for men is Ludacris 😂 At least you advertise for men not sleeping around while expecting women to also not sleep around. So it's not all that bad.

[@JohnDoe-nm5le]

@@honestrat0330 would it not depend on how you're sleeping around though? if you're going out trying to fuck randoms every night, then yeah. your risk of stds and shit is pretty high. however if you're a man trying to have multiple girlfriends at the same time and you're making sure that the women you're doing it with are invested in you only, it's kind of hard to see how such a set-up would be damaging to the man. like, why would any man who operates like that want to be with a partner(s) who is disease ridden. moreover, if the man actually likes them like that and see a future with them and have the resources to provide for them as a man, then her getting pregnant is just a good thing. where would the damage in that situation come from? would that even be classified as sleeping around? just to be clear, we're talking about a guy who is not looking for hook-ups, but is looking for meaningful and significant relationships with multiple women whom he would intend to have families with all of them.

[@heroricspiritfreinen38]

2:15 Rollo realising that if he was alone this would have already sealed his fate in the debate and Mike saved him lmao

[@illdoctrine9329]

The fact Rollo doesn’t know David Buss has debunked/disavowed “dual mating” is just absurd.

[@cjcanton9121]

He knows he just disagrees with him (because he's stubborn). He did a whole stream attacking Buss on this point.

[@sambf]

He literally talks about that during this podcast at length. Someone didn't watch the whole thing

[@joshantor]

You really think some guy named ill doctrine would do that Just go in the comments and lie?

[@illdoctrine9329]

Rollo is wrong regardless of what I watch 👀 especially when he describes components of mate switching in his dual mating defense. Mr “ colloquial “ alpha…😂

[@illdoctrine9329]

@@cjcanton9121 he disagrees with Buss on mating strategies!?! Nooo!!!! Really?

[@unholydiver1095]

Destiny really did a "Jamie, pull that up" It would be cool to see him on Rogan eventually, especially after him appearing on Chris Williamson and Friedman's podcasts. He has the connections

[@inhabitantofearth]

I loved that this was a very civil and productive discussion. I loved the information about different mammals and the physiology stuff. Shout out to Myron for being a good moderator. I also loved that they defended Destiny against that one super-chatter troll. I think people underestimate his knowledge and experience (and research) when it comes to women and relationships. I have SO much respect for Destiny. I've learned a lot from him in the months that I've been subscribed to his channel and watching his streams and debates.

[@MiraPacku]

saaaame, I really respected and appreciated their defense

[@mr.negativenancy5751]

Just got the record, there're a lot better places to get this information about biology and anthropology than a red pill debate. Debates in general really.

[@intelizWild]

It stayed very civil.... yes.

[@turnerburner922]

Destiny saying men have it easier than women after divorce was so shocking last night. Very intelligent debate. thank you destiny

[@voguehaven5154]

THEY DO.

[@therandom58]

@@voguehaven5154 I’d say it depends on how the man’s financial situation looks after the divorce.

[@ng4logic]

It is not true. Then he can't explain why woman are massively divorcing man. You are telling me that man have it better but reality is woman are massively divrocing man. So woman actually initiate divorce to make their life more difficult willingly?

[@turnerburner922]

@@voguehaven5154 yeah, I’m glad to know the facts

[@H_T94]

The data does support what he said

[@BlankB5]

why does the Fresh&Fit logo look like the logo for a hair salon in the mall?

[@nightshade7111]

The color scheme is very feminine too.

[@upsidedown584]

America’s colors

[@PuffofWater]

Best thing about this debate was that FnF and JustPearlythings get called out on their BS talking points

[@UnofficialLesTwins]

Love these types of debates!

[@MojoJojoJunior]

This was probably the most respectful, insightful, and interesting debate I've seen on RP. I love how Mike and Destiny were all read up on their stats, knew what they actually think, and were open to concede to the possibility of each other's arguments if it makes sense. The core of their disagreements are based on the nuances of things that data cannot fully support, but could suggest. I've seen so many disagreements on shit that is a proven fact or atleast well-supported theory.

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill guys for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@RanEncounter]

​​@@SigmaasphereWhat are you talking about? He rails on the guys for having one sided open relationships. Destiny has a two sided open relationship. If you cannot even understand this one single point what are you doing? How are you so lost?

[@itsover9008]

​@@RanEncounter While I agree with your logic, Melina is still following RP tropes by only f**king women. She doesn't want to F men, and she has low key mentioned this several times. So Destiny is definitely a bit hypocritical in the practical sense rather than the technical sense.

[@RanEncounter]

@@itsover9008 That is some grade A mental gymnastics here. How in the world Melina is following RP tropes when by those standards she should be exclusive with Destiny, staying home and raising his kids? Are you not listening to anything the RP people say at all?

[@itsover9008]

@@RanEncounter You do realise there are multiple RP tropes right? Or did you confuse the trad wife with being the only trope for women? I was talking about a point Myron keeps talking about. Women generally want to have sex with only one man, while men want to have sex with multiple women. Despite being in an open relationship, Melina is being "exclusive" to Destiny by only having sex with women.

[@brokedudeforever]

This seems like 5 nerds off of the Big Bang Theory, sitting at the coffee shop, formulating equations about women?? At what point was there a point?

[@machriskily8372]

...but tell me why are you really upset.

[@alexd4566]

Can’t wait to once again hear the same arguments I’ve been hearing for the last couple of months… this RP arc is maddening

[@rationallyjustified]

"People went out of their way to disprove this study" does this guy not understand how science works? Quite a turn around from "my studies from the 70s are correct" to well "hmm i dont know if i cant trust science now" This red pill stuff is horrendous

[@quandraadams7583]

I had the same thought! Disproving/falsifying something IS what science is about. 😂

[@rationallyjustified]

@@quandraadams7583 exactly lol! That's why science is the best method we have to verify the world around us

[@doublestarships646]

Make sure to tell Rollo to get a fresh grandpa diaper before starting debates.

[@SPACEDOUT19]

Nick Fuentes made him shit himself a few times with saying less than 7 sentences in the whole debate

[@ahsoka6807]

hes 55 years old. Not 75.

[@doublestarships646]

@@ahsoka6807 Old ass man.

[@pgwrks4149]

The F&F comment section for this debate was surprisingly charitable to Destiny.

[@Torshaa]

Shocker isn’t it? I’ve said it time and time again- debate the good stuff but know it well and the energy is totally different. We all believe in different mating strategies. Tehehe 😛

[@bugtesties]

Ejaculate and evacuate is fucking golden 😂😂 caught me so off guard idk how I haven’t heard of that

[@the1andthe272]

This is why I appreciate Destiny because he does research to support his arguments unlike the others

[@notan3144]

Well, to be fair to the redpill guys here, they've clearly done a lot of research, Mike especially is rattling off citations without using his phone. It's just not been validated empirically, and they will hold onto the belief that their hypotheses could still manifest in future studies. Destiny appreciates the sophistication of their arguments, but ultimately, it should have been proven by now if it were to be true. We see this often in Academia, a scholar will generate a theory, a really cool one that seems logical and rational but it doesn't reflect reality and the scholar will struggle to let go of it because of all the work they've put in. The really fantastic academics are the ones that generate theories and try their best to falsify them unabashedly. (Unless by "others," you mean other people on Destiny's side of the aisle who would fight this battle and lose in which case I agree).

[@Alex-bl8uh]

Shout out to fresh and fit for hosting this. Was a great pleasure. Also shows how open-minded they are to let destiny on their show several times now, despite such opposing belives.

[@ProHero86]

1:18 he said that forgetting that Crocodilians are actually great parents who have eggs, protect the nest and care for the children until they can fend for themselves and that rattlesnakes give live birth to children but don’t take care of them at all

[@ericeddy02]

I was pleasantly surprised at how civil and factual this debate was. There were good points made by all men here. I appreciate to see this type of discourse.

[@STARK0181]

Destiny still slaughtered them.

[@ericeddy02]

@@STARK0181 he slaughtered Rollo for sure. The other guy had some good points and was more of an actual debate.

[@STARK0181]

@@ericeddy02 He slaughtered both of them, Sartain just provided a better opposition then Rollo.

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill men for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@ericeddy02]

@@STARK0181 I'm just gonna have to agree to disagree on the Sartain part. His was a discussion, and Sartain had a few good points.

[@KobeniGaming]

It's super funny to me that they describe women as if they're zergs hunting for genetic material.

[@CordaroBlu]

I'm mostly enjoying watching how out of his depth Fresh clearly is.

[@blackviking2079]

He was moderating he wasn’t a part of the debate

[@Xairos84]

This was such a good discussion. Bringing some level of depth to human interactions

[@PlayaGuitar]

Honestly surprised and glad to see them defend Destiny when some idiot was saying to ignore him because he's bisexual (or non binary, but the commenter being too stupid to care). That was based as hell. Also maybe the first good rp conversation ever?

[@TecTitan]

Another reminder that doing the right thing isn't side-exclusive. Always a good feeling when people stick up for each other

[@357Dejavu]

I love how the debates tend to go well and people are very civil and low to no heat!

[@nightshard7651]

I was waiting all day for this

[@aboachie1]

Bring women on these panels who are well-versed in reproductive systems instead of just guys.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Intelligent women wouldn't give these guys the time of day.

[@AR-br7cl]

This is one of the most civil debates I've listened to in YEARS

[@ABN2436]

THIS WAS AMAZING !

[@e-hr5314]

This was way better than i expected.

[@theCHEATER141]

In a heated online debate, Destiny confronted the RP community head-on. Armed with a sharp intellect and persuasive arguments, Destiny dismantled their flawed ideology piece by piece. With each point he made, their once unshakable convictions crumbled like a house of cards. The Redpill followers, faced with the undeniable logic presented by Destiny, began questioning their long-held beliefs. As their arguments disintegrated, the community's influence waned, losing its grip on vulnerable minds. Destiny's triumphant victory over the RP community resonated throughout the internet, causing a ripple effect that challenged harmful narratives. However, amidst the admiration and applause, Destiny's undeniable prowess could not alter the truth that Destiny is, indeed, a girl's name.

[@JohnDoe-nm5le]

are you people bots? why do all of you say the same shit?

[@MyronGainesUpdate]

Destiny took a huge l trying to say looks n status don't matter only just being out there

[@Rudi361]

Why is this copypasta material

[@SIGSEGV1337]

@@JohnDoe-nm5le This was clearly ChatGPT yeah

[@bastiantrs]

JAJAJA WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, LOOK THE FULL PODCAST DESTINY IS JUST LISTENING, JAJAJA HE WAS EDUCATED

[@thecommonsensecapricorn]

All of this pertains to pathetic people who’s lives revolve around their lowest nature - sexual desire and the search for sexual pleasure. That is not at all what I’m about as a spiritual person. It’s quite sad to me people think like this.

[@aboachie1]

I've never in my total adult black life seen a pregnant woman go thru the nesting phase in the first trimester. Literally have never seen it. You need a healthy balance of conversation here Please bring a woman OB-Gyn for convos like these because Rollo is off on that topic.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

​@@Threelegs94 That's such BS

[@FrostyAlpaca]

1:03:03 Holy shit, that list of stats completely debunk the redpill narrative, that was a fucking wrecking ball

[@deaj8450]

Man I'm not really a hard core Redpill person but I do generally agree with them on divorce. I don't see how any of those stats changed my opinions about anything. It doesn't even remotely debunk the fact that men have a bad deal in the family courts with divorce. Post divorce men can be in a better position sure, that has nothing to do with men getting a bad deal though. It's just men are probably better at overcoming that hit. We can work more, work different types of jobs, we'll find a way to survive. Basically all of Destiny's stats amount to "well divorce kind of sucks for both people" no shit it does I don't even need any stats to tell you that.

[@RobGoSlow]

Damn august, this was like a 75 hour debate and you got it down to 75 minutes!?

[@ShowerBath]

RP assumes all people are sociopaths and that the 3% of women they meet in the club are the same as all women everywhere.

[@TinyBudha]

Destiny you are doing Brilliant bro. Using your intellect to influence spheres of importance. You spent alot of time gathering knowledge and perspectives to see you now using it in this way to influence positive change is amazing. Much respect.

[@volusiasorange]

he's so nice to them really

[@jp32123]

This will go down in history as one of the final debates that ended the red pill saga

[@angela.6273]

Rolo was wrong as fuck.. nesting instinct happens at the third trimester in preparation for arrival . Source : im a woman who has had a child 😂

[@Ihatemyusernamemore]

So FD Lignifier, with his pussy refusal to debate Destiny, is EVEN LOWER in the intellectual food chain than Rollo

[@Moshm4n]

RP shit is like the 17 pieces of flare the people working at the restaurant in Office Space had to wear instead of bringing in a real personality. When you are some algorithm of prescribed behaviors, it just seems like you've never treated anyone like a human being before... probably because you don't view yourself as a human being either.

[@missinterpretation4984]

You’ve won the comments section!

[@DtehHermit]

This is probably one of the best debates of any of these guys tbh

[@superduperkid3143]

Rollo is so out of his league. He found a niche and took advantage of it and is now spewing bs to young men that eat it up to feed his pockets. Sorry I don't know Rollo's friends name but he comes in good faith, I like him.

[@jayr399]

Beta bucks spotted. Rollo is accurate. If u ain’t smashing ur girl day 10-14 of her period, you are a beta boy

[@man.dingus]

Rollo is not very well informed on the replication crisis. For one, it didn’t start in 2018 like he alluded to. More importantly, it does not mean that all recent research should be disregarded or treated as untrustworthy.

[@STARK0181]

That was a super outlandish take on his part. It's just his way of coping.

[@whitb62]

Isn’t this kind of proof of the toxicity that can result from online interactions? These people have been going at each other viciously for years and now they actually treat each other with some once of respect and decency. Being in the same room, looking in the eyes of someone changes everything. It is irreplaceable.

[@ProphetMagus]

I'm reminded of those videos of dogs barking and growling at each other from different sides of the fence, and then once it's opened they sit there and chill

[@Shannon_Lynch]

Maybe it’s a business strategy getting mad at eachother in tweets gets your fans wanting to see it but you can’t just yell at eachother for 2 hours if you want viewer retention? I actually think your explanation is more likely but just wanted to say this

[@Sigmaasphere]

Destiny shames Redpill men for having sex with multiple woman but he himself is also running through chicks. Isn't that Hypocrisy?

[@Zach-cn4lb]

I couldn’t help but notice that Rollo’s voice sounds a lot less deep and bassy here than when he’s using a mic of his own. Interesting….

[@Chevalier_knight]

Editor if your reading this iv noticed theres a really annoying sound in the intro that shows segments from the video its like a fan or computer running in the background i dont know if its ambient music but it just comes of as an annoying high pitch tone in the background.

[@ianundercover6295]

Was not expecting anything near an extremely high quality conversation. However I thoroughly enjoyed getting it from start to finish. Bravo to everyone who participated, this was content