Shoutout to Fanatiq and all the panelist for participating in this good faith debate. Civil Conservative Debate Blows Up, Moderator Threatens To End Panel ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3m4hq2ko7V3iJY
@ThatNoobie2 жыл бұрын
The Destiny banner on the home page still has the twitch link fyi
@gyytgy33302 жыл бұрын
Wtf is this disgusting new colour scheme
@Geamr2 жыл бұрын
new color bad, make slightly different pls
@charliecampbell52072 жыл бұрын
The orange text pops out a lot on the thumbnail
@gigantomastiaCuddler2 жыл бұрын
date says march not april by the way
@BeyondRedacted012 жыл бұрын
August is literally pumping so much content, producing at such a rate, the Destiny clips industriocomplex is being monopolized by this massive economy of scale, economically outpacing any competition, to manufacture and distribute all of it, right into my veins!
@chandler74932 жыл бұрын
When I tell people to read theory I'm going to reference this comment
@yermil8902 жыл бұрын
Bitten by the vaush bug
@yoboi2672 жыл бұрын
@@chandler7493 Dest Kapital
@Amonfobious2 жыл бұрын
daliban doing pretty good tho
@thlkmura2 жыл бұрын
Sounds a bit like an oligarchy
@BruskPoet2 жыл бұрын
August really out here on that sigma grindset with these uploads. Keep it up!
@swaggitypigfig84132 жыл бұрын
😎
@powercore20002 жыл бұрын
Destiny actually did a lot of content that day, so August gives us the fruits of a this harvest. Enshalla brothers, we eat for a week!
@trololkhil98682 жыл бұрын
Damn dude I just realised I've been watching some of your meme mortal kombat videos for a short while now. You've made my days a lot brigher sir, thank you for your uploads as well!
@BruskPoet2 жыл бұрын
@@trololkhil9868 GIGACHAD
@vaikjsf34a2 жыл бұрын
Sigma is such a Beta cope
@PasteteDoeniel2 жыл бұрын
I consider Destiny as being polite. It is considered rude to be indirect/beat around the bush for Germans. Because of that I consider someone like Demonmama as extremely rude and mean. Watching any video that has her in it is pure torture.
@ericomfg2 жыл бұрын
I like Germans even more now.
@Rhodiac2 жыл бұрын
The Blitzkrieg is considered polite, based
@carpeimodiem2 жыл бұрын
@@Rhodiac 🤣 wow
@johnatola77312 жыл бұрын
I don't think Germans are as "direct" as they think they are. And were Destiny a German streamer he would get the same responses within the German community too. I honestly think a lot of people just think disagreeing in general is kind of "toxic". A lot of these conversations remind me of discussions I had in online forums 2005-2010ish. I would often make my points in harsh ways and then people wouldn't engage with the point I made but with _how_ I made it.
@karsten93872 жыл бұрын
@@HaraQuinn Probably is, but what they gonna do? Ban a trans person? X to doubt
@Diabolical30102 жыл бұрын
Bro he's 19 saying the internet is becoming more toxic 😂😂😂
@TheKeefeStone2 жыл бұрын
Right. Dude would self-delete back in '07 after a single Modern Warfare lobby
@stevenchitwood21462 жыл бұрын
@@TheKeefeStone MW and MW2 was so fun. those lobbies were spicy. gotta a little crazy haha
@hjge10122 жыл бұрын
Hey, at least fanatiq did a good job as moderator for a change; he actually facilitated the conversation.
@SergeofBIBEK2 жыл бұрын
Meh, he was still petty and passive aggressive.
@humpyloaddart2 жыл бұрын
Probably the first time a black man hung around a bunch of niggas and it did him good.
@Septurez2 жыл бұрын
@@Numb_ passive aggressive as hell but at least he didnt talk too much
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
@@Numb_ You might be numb to the bullshit, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.
@benny3992 жыл бұрын
@@Septurez can point out the passive-aggressiveness? I'm just not seeing it man 😕
@conroconro2 жыл бұрын
Okay I was a critic of Fanatiq's last few panels, but this one was really good and I hope he keeps the same pace for future panels like this one.
@Relaxe12 жыл бұрын
He didn't interject and everyone was interacting with pretty good faith, with maybe the soy guy coming in with a heavy slant, but I still think he actually critically engaged with the conversation. Panel turned out pretty good.
@TheRobMr2 жыл бұрын
19 year old has strong convictions of what society ought to do. I look forward to seeing this guy's perspective in 10 years lol.
@NCxSC2 жыл бұрын
Right!
@ExeErdna2 жыл бұрын
He's gonna end up very uncanny
@MP-cq7pm2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@AMKalmar2 жыл бұрын
How the conversation played out, I really do look forward to hearing his perspective later on in life. He seems like a logically minded person, as he said he came from a very debate centric community. He's just young and bright-eyed, and too idealistic right now.
@TheNitram82 жыл бұрын
That guy sounded reasonable tbh
@ergovisavis2 жыл бұрын
I am disgusted by the blatant kink-shaming some of these "leftists" as engaging in. Everyone knows retaliatory twitter antagonism is Destiny's kink. SMH my head, please do better people.
@sb8482 жыл бұрын
Kinkphobes 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher2 жыл бұрын
"Du buddar, like, be buddar"
@girthpapi2 жыл бұрын
"Shaking my head my head"
@proudtobeme1ashkente2 жыл бұрын
@@girthpapi Yes, that's part of the joke.
@isaiahh64872 жыл бұрын
@@proudtobeme1ashkente l
@blueblazer99912 жыл бұрын
"You being mean is hateful" Oh fucking Christ, I always assumed as much, but hearing it just said like that really hits different
@DaveChappeleIsGod2 жыл бұрын
All that quotation brings to mind is infinite soy-faces lmao
@leftphilange692 жыл бұрын
@E Zo that’s the problem with this weak ethos of “problematic language”. Where does it end?
@TardMania2 жыл бұрын
"fucking christ"? You're seriously being mean to Jesus rn? you should be banned indefinitely from all platforms depending on your skin color and sexual preferences!
@richybambam19952 жыл бұрын
The reason people call destiny a victim blaming is because they want to say fuck you piece of shit to the stealther but destiny only wants to equip women so that these things wont happen to them. Its point the finger vs prevent future harm
@legessi2 жыл бұрын
If the bad thing stops happening due to prevention steps, then virtue signalers would have nothing to signal about.
@_The_Traveler_2 жыл бұрын
@@legessi This. People love to complain about things until you ask them what they're doing to stop the things they complain about. Then they get triggered that you're asking them to show conviction of purpose and call you a victim blamer while they sit around arguing which allows said bad thing to continue happening with no one attempting to stop it. It's why things like racism will never be "over" in America, because everyone loves to march with signs and voice all of their talking points in public spaces because they know they'll get social credit from being seen "on the right side of history". And then they go home, turn on Netflix, and forget about all of this until it comes up in a comment section online somewhere. And by then, they'll still have nothing substantive to show for all of the outrage they claimed to have the last time they got on their soap box.
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
It's always interesting seeing people prioritize punishment over prevention. They'd rather have victims.
@ExeErdna2 жыл бұрын
To prevent future harm removes the means of their petty entertainment. Basically they want to complain based off the pain of others. To me that's a trash person
@BobbyKBert2 жыл бұрын
@@Nazareadain so true
@zachariahphillips2 жыл бұрын
Seeing how people react to Destiny’s supposedly unpalatable or bigoted views, it would be hilarious to watch them confront people who actually have unorthodox opinions.
@ObidiahGoldshekelsteinovitz2 жыл бұрын
They'd crumble and retreat.
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
I don't know why we're doing the automatic extrapolation that unorthodox defaults to unpalatable, but good own, my dude. Gottem good. I'm sure your parents are proud.
@ExeErdna2 жыл бұрын
Have them "debate" Demonmama then come back to claim Destiny is "mean and rude".
@zachariahphillips2 жыл бұрын
@@Nazareadain What are you? Some sort of [redacted]?
@TardMania2 жыл бұрын
As the soy-guy put it, he would have a different bar. Destiny gets a lower "threshold" than others because he's destiny.
@kenjinsakura2 жыл бұрын
I've shat on Fanatiq before but he did a good job moderating here. Props
@vaikjsf34a2 жыл бұрын
Past tense of shit, I like it. I've said shat since I was 5 years old :D
@Stephenwhite0132 жыл бұрын
You gotta admit he gives you content even if you hate him 🤣🤣
@bentrinker19372 жыл бұрын
Hes still racist
@MrWolfy08 Жыл бұрын
I was shock, when i realized is Fanatiq...He did a good job
@CaulkMongler2 жыл бұрын
They really do build up Destiny’s arguments for him. If you have a history of having a trauma response during sexual encounters… don’t you think that especially means you shouldn’t be engaging in casual sex? With someone you don’t have much trust built with? C’mon.
@Va11idus2 жыл бұрын
It seems like these people want to run into these women who won't tell them no. Seems super sus.
@xDomof2 жыл бұрын
@@SkeleTonHammer thats not the best grand slam bc saying they shouldnt have casual sex is more of a blanket term to what you said. It implies to choose your sexual partner more carefully, so basically the same exact thing you said.
@pablowall2 жыл бұрын
Victim blamer! REEEEEEE!!!! yes, victim blaming actually makes sense sometimes, in looking for ways in which we can reduce people getting hurt. I mean isn't the entire concept of martial arts victim blaming? Why should victims learn self defence? Just remove all violence from society innit? 😆
@EZ333772 жыл бұрын
Hmm. I don't like just telling a person they just can't do such a common interaction w someone...because ppl should be able to engage in sexual intercourse without worrying about their partner crossing a set boundary. That being said. That's clearly not the world we live in. I think the important point that Destiny makes w this argument is that you need to figure out why you are not able to stand up for yourself in these situations and how you can do that or just avoid those types of interactions altogether.
@EZ333772 жыл бұрын
@@SkeleTonHammer it's not a slam dunk argument. You can't just pinpoint this type of behavior. What if she does all this, change the type of guy she usually sleeps w and it still happens w a completely different type of guy. That would even further traumatize her. She has to learn how to speak up for herself and probably refrain from casual encounters. Honestly. Even tho casual sex is exciting, it's probably the worst kind you can have in so many ways.
@bearimo28672 жыл бұрын
Holy Shit. He did it, Fanatiq moderated. Good job man. Keep it up. And it wasn't 9 people shouting over each other! Will wonders never cease.
@travismlamb2 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for that guy who opened up the debate, you can tell he’s really nervous and kinda seems like he’s a bit torn on having to talk about this stuff to someone who’s opinion he values.
@MergatroidS2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. It was really off-putting reading Destiny's chat screech about "sucking him off harder" or how retarded the panel was while listening to a guy try his best to speak earnestly. I don't watch anything live, but I really hope the chat isn't that cancerous all the time. If it's not toxic it's still cringe as fuck at the very least.
@thejaimebush2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@waluigitheprophet44062 жыл бұрын
I think STV did fine. I’m under the impression he doesn’t do this much not to mention man’s is probably high lol
@loverofbigdookies2 жыл бұрын
Honestly it's probably fine and he's probably not nervous. When I speak for a long time over the phone it interrupts my breathing for some reason and I get winded. I'm sure sounds the same way, but definitely not the case.
@milkcatdog3942 жыл бұрын
Ya it was a lil tortuous to listen to
@KarneeKarnay2 жыл бұрын
I applaud these people coming out and stating their arguments or suggestions for Destiny. This was in all honesty a good faith discussion. Most of these people think the Ban is bs and were asked to come out with reasons as to why destiny was banned and what to change. It's a shame that most of the arguments end up boiling down to, don't generalise and be nicer. I don't disagree with a lot of this, but the only way you end up thinking Destiny is transphobic/racist/sexist/rapist is if you don't have any good faith. The sad truth is that more people are unfortunately idiots. :( TBC not the people in the debate. Just most people.
@ThalassicMeasure2 жыл бұрын
Destiny even points out in this discussion it doesn't even have to be bad faith, at least when it comes to most individuals criticizing him. To your point, the original, out-of-context lies told about him are what's bad faith, pushed by a handful of people. Their ignorant allies ultimately accept the lies as fact and Destiny becomes the target of their ire. A discussion like this exposes the whole thing quite well.
@albertjohnston10262 жыл бұрын
The most surprising take IMO was Vaush's. Maybe he came out with a later take that was harsher, but his initial take was like "I don't want to comment without knowing what it was for" and "The science on trans women in sports is unclear, but we should let them anyways". This is _worlds_ apart from his normal preference to just play into the Destiny sucks game, as well as his previous position which was that trans women in sports was practically settled science. Kinda read to me like he might even agree with Destiny but couldn't possibly take that position publicly.
@bigben30892 жыл бұрын
@@albertjohnston1026 that’s still such a ridiculous take from Vaush. If the science is unclear, which it’s not, why would we then just decide to let trans women compete if we don’t even know if they have an advantage or not. The normal rational position would be to wait until the science was clear to amend the current structure of women’s sports. And I just do not understand how you could possibly look at the science on this issue and come to the conclusion that the results are unclear. There’s not many instances where the science is more clear really. You don’t even really need scientific studies to know this but they are just the nail in the coffin. These people let their emotions dictate so many of their opinions.
@codygarrett43292 жыл бұрын
I know Fanatiq has had some rough goes of some of his recent panels, but I appreciate his attempts to create a less bloodsporty panel, and I think he's finding a better formula for it, at least as far as this panel went it felt like people were actually listening to each other.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
Right, I love it when there's no pastrami on my Reuben sandwich. The fuck is the point of a panel without bloodsports? If I wanted to listen to people NOT yelling at each other I'd be listening to an audiobook.
@seesharper89132 жыл бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitorThe point is to actually accomplish something with the discussion other than pure entertainment. Not sure what's hard to understand about it. Majority of the toxic politics that exist today, exist because of the bloodsports in politics. Some people actually care about these problems and want them solved. Not all of us like just watching dick measuring contests.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
@@seesharper8913 Accomplish what? It's a conversation about whether or not Destiny is allowed to be mean on Twitter.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
@@seesharper8913 Don't get me wrong, the Reuben is ALSO incomplete without the bread, sauerkraut, Swiss cheese or Thousand Island dressing.... It's just that the pastrami is the part I showed up for.
@AquaMarineFBVA2 жыл бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor the point is to actually hear intelligent conversations and how they can be facilitated. the problem is people just copy what they hear and that includes bloodshot panels
@PaperMache72 жыл бұрын
The Soy kid was endearing even if I didn't agree with him at all, I can respect someone who can be honest about their performance and admit when they lost. Hopefully he won't join the camp of the crazies in the future.
@theprofesionalist79272 жыл бұрын
I really do hope that the crazies don't corrupt him into being an unironic soy boi. He really was trying to be as good faith as possible.
@itsreallyhotinmyroom2 жыл бұрын
Yeah pretty brave honestly to come in at age 19.. Destiny's comment on his age wasn't even too patronizing. There's a difference in experience that comes with age that you can't really compensate for even if you're reasonably intelligent.
@theprofesionalist79272 жыл бұрын
@@itsreallyhotinmyroom Fair point, but I don't think that was Destiny's intention. He asks a lot of young people that question cuz some of them don't know what the internet was really like in the gamer bro days of pre-2015. He just wants to gage their perspective and then tell them that the internet like most parts of society has gotten better instead of worse. We can always strive to do better, but you can't say that we've regressed over the years when we've done nothing, but progress.
@Septurez2 жыл бұрын
dude unironically has the nickname soy
@Focus7162 жыл бұрын
he is clearly already insane
@FluffyFluffles2 жыл бұрын
If being mean is ban worthy, then you're advocating that everyone Destiny has been mean to should also be banned. They aren't exactly nice to people who disagree with them.
@Jo-bs2uu2 жыл бұрын
here's what "mean" means here-dissent. as long as you're mean to the right people it's fine. Destiny was mean to the wrong peopls so he's the enemy and can be put on the shit list
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
@@Jo-bs2uu ...what?
@Jo-bs2uu2 жыл бұрын
@@Nazareadain i feel like I was pretty clear
@ExeErdna2 жыл бұрын
@@Jo-bs2uu Truth, look a prime suspect Hasan who has been mean and rude on stream many of times, nothing. Destiny not even being mean is seen as being mean. When really somebody is too cowardly to affront their feelings better. Instead, want somebody banned instead of maybe not working with them. Yet the issue with discourse is that you NEED to run into people that you don't agree with. Since if everybody agree it isn't a debate it's a podcast.
@Jo-bs2uu2 жыл бұрын
@@ExeErdna i agree man. Let's be transparent about this though, lefty streamer types just want twitch to be a Series of lefty podcasts
@fuzzy39322 жыл бұрын
I just wanna say that the first dude, don’t even know his name, did a fantastic job for someone who seemed to be incredibly nervous to talk to Destiny. Good for him.
@thedeathstar4202 жыл бұрын
The Philly guy? Ya he was cool
@TardMania2 жыл бұрын
Actual logic coming from that guy, compared to the 19 year old who want's to ban all people indefinitely for saying mean shit about Adolf Hitler
@User719562 жыл бұрын
August, I hope you’re living comfortably because you put out amazing work!
@note4note8042 жыл бұрын
This Soy guy is the most contradictory performer I've seen in a long time. The amount of times he can barely get a sentence out "asserting himself" before he corrects himself, apologizes for his word choice/hyperbole, or just backs down is hilarious to watch. He's a Nice Guy attempting to live his nonsensical morals and simultaneously realizing how impossible it is every moment he tries to speak.
@Diabolical30102 жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better
@trobins44732 жыл бұрын
“Why ya gotta be so mean?” -Taylor Swift (also this soy guy)
@sargeteg59272 жыл бұрын
Adding to that, it's just annoying when someone spends so much of everybody's time on openly telegraphing into the room how he's going to say something or apologizing for it instead of just getting to the point. All of it seemed too performative and then he had to take back half the stuff he said. It was a bad caricature of a guy who wants to be taken seriously. Like one of the other panelists said, if you want to fight your image of being soy, saying you are going to be assertive is the soyest thing you could say.
@playingurbootylikebongos2 жыл бұрын
what do u expect, hes a degenerate weeb vtuber
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
Lol. Sure, he's goofily contradictory, but on the flipside there's you guys unironically caring about a third party's level of "soy", so in this human centipede of a hierarchy you've invented, why are you pretending like you wouldn't eat shit?
@bubbles1525_2 жыл бұрын
The future is fucked, this panel was pretty much saying if you don't preach what I believe you should be banned
@QuixEnd2 жыл бұрын
How is anyone still talking about this tweet and why would so many random opinions matter... I just can't imagine being this sensitive over literally everything all the time.
@RanEncounter2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The actual arguments don't matter any more. It is all about optics.
@imDezrt2 жыл бұрын
Just like streamers used to (and continue to) farm LSF for viewers, small debate channels have dedicated themselves to putting Destiny's name in their mouths 24/7. How else are they gonna get put in front of an audience of people? It's a huge marketing opportunity--i'm surprised he doesn't make these people pay to debate him lol
@Nex471282 жыл бұрын
@@RanEncounter Always has been.
@ng4logic2 жыл бұрын
Destiny should do more of "reverse the gender game". If you tell this people same story with reversed genders you would see them chnage their mind instantly. Sometimes is even better to tell equvivalent story. For example, if guy says he in past 2 months had seggs with 4 woman and they are stole something from him, every single person would make same points as Destiny says. They would be saying: you are cleraly pincking very bad woman, not all woman are like that; it would be better to show man how to pick good woman instead of just shouting "WOMAN SHOULD STOP STEALING"; he should not engage in casual seggs if that happens often because it is very rare situation etc etc
@ucheobiekwe22872 жыл бұрын
You can, you're doing it now.
@bluefireify2 жыл бұрын
Why is it that the expectations of conduct and sensitivity around language only apply one way? That the same people who want to be treated with a level of respect are the first ones to find labels and insults to sling in the other direction? The way to get respect is to offer it, not to demand it.
@scarletsletter44662 жыл бұрын
Glad to see August working hard to help make up for $$ losses from the twitch ban. Hopefully YT will be better for destiny in the long-run. & kudos to Fanatiq for better moderation. He took feedback & is improving 👏🏻 💞
@dbz2872 жыл бұрын
We need a panel of evidence cuz at this point I just wanna see people with screenshots and threads of ALL these tweets and harassment/brigading claims
@Anonymous-ks8el2 жыл бұрын
Is this just a "I don't like how Destiny behaves panel"?, the same thing we've seen over and over? Edit: It is and Soy turns up his mic when he decides to 'assert himself' and say that mean = ban
@Hamiltonfai2 жыл бұрын
He got big mad after saying his mantra is to stop getting mad
@majdjinn50422 жыл бұрын
It's called a struggle session. Comrade, it is time for us to air out our grievances. You do not twist the top on the liquids in the fridge tight enough Soy is 19 and very passive aggressive with a mindset that is alien. It's super focused on coddling
@connor41692 жыл бұрын
Now I know why people called him soy. He’s literally king of the betas
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
@@connor4169 and you'd be eating his ass a power bottom. how do you call someone out like this while being completely oblivious to how you come across as worse?
@Curocko2 жыл бұрын
You can really tell some people have never actually been socially ostracized or bullied.
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
@@semperk1482 Only a true scandinavian has completely avoided being bullied.
@ah58362 жыл бұрын
Listening through this conversation, the basic takeaway is some people really enjoy opportunities to dictate authority over others and some people see that power as dangerous. Hating and shunning people who I consider to be hateful, is also an act of hate. It's just considered to be a justified act of hate against another. There is no way to ever eliminate this scenario from the world. Whomever strives for the elimination of all hate, lives in a fantasy world.
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
And what's the appropriate amount of hate elimination I should hope to strive for? Just taking notes.
@ah58362 жыл бұрын
@@Nazareadain Far too big of a topic for a youtube reply. Super-short version, if someone believes rising to a position of power to ban people off platforms for opinions will eliminates hate from the world, you're looking at the world in a wrong way. History has demonstrated time and time again centralizing authority and censorship is one of the fastest ways to create hate within societies over the long term.
@TardMania2 жыл бұрын
This is mean to whomever believes that, Soy would ban you indefinitely from all platforms.
@powercore20002 жыл бұрын
I get the Katee girl is trying to be reasonable but its to the point of invoking the enlightened centrist meme. She tries to ground Destiny's clams to be more "fair" when the actual situations or facts of the matter aren't compromisable. An example is when she argued "Don't you think after the trans-debate stuff you talked about on Prime Cayes might make some people come away thinking you could be transphobic" Destiny replies "No one would think this unless they think you have to unquestionably support trans people all the time" Katee scoffs and says "You know thats not..." I assume she was going to say what I'm saying. When that is the actual argument being thrown at Destiny, like when he quotes VivanWolf saying "Questioning the voracity of Trans Athletes is transphobic" But Katee assumes most of the criticism thrown at Destiny comes from this hyper rational, nuanced, and hyper-specific perspective she's using, when that's actually a mischaracterization of the criticisms people give him. No one who actually engages with Destiny's material thinks this, and its catering to people who would never care to actually investigate. She's being so charatiable to the other side she is outright misrepresents what they believe, giving them more cover than they deserve and its frustrating to listen to. Example to the example and context is 1:00:29
@exhermit2 жыл бұрын
You know, for the most part I don''t look at chat, but the sheer amount of quotes from the debate had me reflexively checking chat and they made me die with laughter every goddamn time. One of of my favorites is Soy "asserting" themselves because they had been rolled for too long. Chat instantly full of Wojaks clapping in response, "Go off king!" "Yass assertive!" "omg so brave!" DGGers are the funniest self-aware people I've come across lmao (not a cult btw)
@TheJuggernaut882 жыл бұрын
Soy-section was waaaaay out of his league in this panel. he's still a child compared to the other panelists. He's too emotional and bases a lot of his takes on emotions like destiny being "mean". Soy at this point in his life is like Destiny when he was a libertarian, he hasn't had the life experience to understand perspective and real problems. He was the only panelist that could not relate to the xbox live analogy because he's too young to understand.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
I kinda respect him for coming on the show, but like.... in the same way I respect the generic henchmen in a batman cartoon.
@note4note8042 жыл бұрын
I mean...given he's alongside a girl that can't participate in a conversation without asking permission to ask a question everytime, I thought we were just normalizing bringing children into Fanatiq's panels. It would explain why his format caters to kids.
@1SGCarter2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s because he is too young… he is too soy.
@prohealer33982 жыл бұрын
Surprised it’s actually a good faith attempt to understand “controversial” points like “if a girl can’t assert her boundaries during sex then perhaps she should hold off on casual sex till she can.” Progress
@deadzoneternity2 жыл бұрын
I still don't understand how that is a controversial point
@karsten93872 жыл бұрын
@@deadzoneternity They want sympathy or support, not logical conclusions. I have had similar conversations with a female friend. She disagreed with me so hard, told me I'm a victim blamer, yada yada. So i asked her: well what's the correct answer then? Pointed out the flaws with her solution to it (she wanted to put people in jail for being ACCUSED of rape at that point), and that people need to take responsibility for themselves. People want the cake and eat it too My point is eat the cake if you want, but just know that you may get fat from it. People are so brainwashed that they don't even understand or want to accept the fact that sex with a stranger is an activity with risk involved.
@4ltrs5732 жыл бұрын
@@karsten9387 People usually aren't logical after a traumatic situation lmfao. Gotta have the ability to know when to say shit man
@jaja-cg9yd2 жыл бұрын
@@karsten9387 I'm a woman and you (and Destiny) are absolutely right about this. People are responsible for their decisions. Sometimes people are victimized and there's nothing they can do about it. That sucks. However, if you keep choosing to engage in behaviours that put you in danger, and you're not prepared to deal with the consequences, it's time to figure out why you're doing it to yourself and change it.
@seanjenkins55052 жыл бұрын
But what if she gives any push back for any reason and the man pulls out an M16 and starts blowing out her kneecaps. Sorry since I'm from America and we have guns this is a real possibility that everyone has to consider and already happens anywhere from 1000 to 2000 times a day.
@nocuh2 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to the nascence of section, soyction whatever. Buddy displays some impressively rare self-awareness in closing statement to hold the L with head high, and the air of determination to learn from mistakes. Rooting for his ascent 📈🚀
@justlooking10872 жыл бұрын
I just want to say that, as a black person, Destiny has never offended me with his language. I do not agree with 100% of his takes regarding race and society (maybe 95% of them) but he’s never offended me with racially insensitive language. I don’t agree with that critique at all.
@dandastardly27922 жыл бұрын
Preach
@bazuukajoekame2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@bazuukajoekame2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@aj002 жыл бұрын
He deadass says people should be banned for being too mean 😭😭 He can't admit he didn't think it through and sticks to his horrible take
@onionfarmer30442 жыл бұрын
This would all make sense if the setting was a preschool.
@Extremekhan242 жыл бұрын
@@onionfarmer3044 imagine a little Steven Bonell running around calling other pre-k'ers "subhuman" or other classics omfg that would be hilarious
@TropicalBlend0012 жыл бұрын
He’s an inexperienced 19, and it’s painfully obvious.
@deep_and_profound_topics2 жыл бұрын
just started the video but why wouldn’t people be banned for being too mean? are you being serious? cultivating a toxic and hostile environment, or promoting harassment should obviously justify a ban on any serious platform.
@Extremekhan242 жыл бұрын
@@deep_and_profound_topics being "mean" is different than being toxic and harrassing. In politics you have to be mean sometimes to idiots who spew bullshit and lies? is that wrong, no. mean =/= uncalled for
@thisisfallacious94632 жыл бұрын
I should thank my boss for firing me so I have enough time to watch all of this sweet sweet destiny content
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
You sir are living the communist dream!
@matasuki2 жыл бұрын
The Gen Z kids really haven't seen what true suffering looks like. So many of them are stuck on this "speech is violence" idea.
@nihanthpinnaka23042 жыл бұрын
I mean that’s a good thing
@vaikjsf34a2 жыл бұрын
Hitler didn't steamroll most of EU using only speech
@PlanetJeroen2 жыл бұрын
@@nihanthpinnaka2304 no, it isn't. There 8s plenty of suffering in this world that you can be informed about and use it to ground yourself in reality. If you truly think speech hits that level, you are quite privileged and uninformed with no sense of reality. You live in a bubble isolated from the real world in that case.
@unluckygamer6922 жыл бұрын
@@PlanetJeroen You don't think you can mentally destroy people with just words? Then you are the privileged one with no sense of reality.
@matasuki2 жыл бұрын
@@PlanetJeroen I say give it a year after country goes into stagflation or recession they'll have something else to be scared of other than imaginary internet bullies "causing harm"
@strajkz2 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed at the out of body experience STVPhilly is experiencing at the 1:02:30 mark, that facial expression is worth a thousand words.
@jthayer4792 жыл бұрын
"I don't know why we're nitpicking." Destiny: "Nitpick away. That's the point of this panel." I aspire to be as calm and open to listening as Destiny is when being criticized by 4 people at once.
@fatstronaut2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading. Was almost alone with my thoughts
@Kenzo_VII2 жыл бұрын
my god the amount of people that are oversensitive is insane. I dont agree with every position destiny has but he def has alot of patience. Cant believe some individuals are pretty much saying you cant be mean on social platforms... mix that in with double standards and labeling any opposition (even if its a good argument) as "toxic" or "hate" is just a recipe for disaster.
@kylemoore6872 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with Destiny on basically anything but you're right he has the patience of a saint. Idk how he could sit through over an hour of these spergs bitching about him being mean.
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
@@kylemoore687 One day somebody will introduce you to the concept of confidence. One day.
@ExeErdna2 жыл бұрын
This the same people going off on "Being nice is the baseline not the exception" like who raised y'all that you flinch the moment somebody speaks confidently and checks people's bad ideas? How can they legit preach being "nice" when they really don't care about niceness until they're feelings are hurt?
@kylemoore6872 жыл бұрын
@@Nazareadain What did I say to make you think I would need to be introduced to the concept of confidence?
@prohealer33982 жыл бұрын
There really needs to be better online guidelines for attacking people like destiny. Links or clips of actual things someone said or did instead of summaries should be required. Look forward to watching this tomorrow ✌️
@mrhaast50532 жыл бұрын
The problem with that idea is all these panels would be empty.
@prohealer33982 жыл бұрын
@@mrhaast5053 XD lmao too true. It seems 80% of content from many of them is generally content without merit. Instead of trying to improve their game most of them would rather attack people who are willing to do real homework and seek truth regardless of emotions.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
IDK what you're talking about. I learned to cite 3 sources and that "Wikipedia doesn't count as a source" in like 8th grade.
@bird64722 жыл бұрын
If there's any silver lining to Destiny's twitch ban it's the increased content uploads on KZbin.
@jupyter_core94112 жыл бұрын
Shout out to STV. A panelist who wants to have an actual discussion instead of screeching at Destiny.
@infinityquartz47442 жыл бұрын
Me being happy for another panel then instantly got sad when i heard it was a fanatiq panel
@Bunnibunnibunni2 жыл бұрын
real shit
@DatHombre2 жыл бұрын
I have 26mins left and I think he was as good as he possibly could have been here. 100% different than the last one.
@RandomHer032 жыл бұрын
This is destinys fault, if he would just soy the fuck up we could watch better panels
@thenayancat88022 жыл бұрын
Was a good discussion tbh, don't really get the objection
@jessecraft11992 жыл бұрын
@@thenayancat8802 this is a brand new fanatiq. If this was a b+ moderation grade the best he’s gotten in the past is D- If he keeps this up for even just another panel or two you won’t see these negative comments. It’s criticism of previous action basically.
@LuridContent2 жыл бұрын
This panel was significantly less dusty than previous panels. Well done, Fanatiq.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
Credit where credit is due: he's getting better at hosting panels.
@SoolDeen2 жыл бұрын
STV Philly was high as fuck the whole panel, it's honestly amazing that he could keep up with the conversation
@TheMrBrown962 жыл бұрын
Explains position *PERFECTLY* "bUt ThAtS nOt WhAt YoU sAiD" YES IT FUCKING IS!!!! OPEN YOUR EARS!!!
@Mr_Pickles_2 жыл бұрын
Endless content while I work. Thank you August!
@cycloneofsouls2 жыл бұрын
"can we not talk about people like this" no, mock and ridicule shitty ideas. the world isnt all rainbows and butterflies and it shouldnt be
@glitchboard94522 жыл бұрын
I think it's a read the room situation. It's a question of what's the goal. If the goal is to impact people's behavior, then mocking and ridiculing and being inflammatory may or may not be the best way to do that depending on the audience. However, if your goal is just to fuck around and kick a hive, go for it.
@glitchboard94522 жыл бұрын
@@depletable But there's obviously a middle ground between using carefully crafted maximally pc language with 40 caveats on any statement and being as aggressively hyperbolic as possible. If going through a rolodex of the most pointed insults possible to hurt people is part of your core philosophy, then I mean, idk what to tell you. To be clear, I don't think destiny does fall on either extreme, he's also in the middle. And also note, I don't think being maximally PC is the most effective way to change people's behavior either. It does come off as disingenuous and virtue signally. However, with all the talking heads we love so much having the pretense of trying to convince other people to modify their behavior or beliefs, it seems like it would be in their best interest to use the language that is most effective in a given situation/audience. If you literally just don't care at all what/how people perceive what's being said and just like being in the space to say things and fight for the sake of fighting, that's fine too. That's what I described as kicking the hive. Just be honest with the intent.
@glitchboard94522 жыл бұрын
@@depletable yeah, I really don't think we disagree overall. My main contention wasn't with the way destiny interacts with people, but more the person I replied to. Their statement has an energy more like the "I'm a boss bitch" persona a lot of people use as a shield to justify being an asshole. Or your Dr. House types. "The world isn't all rainbows," while true, isn't a constructive way to have conversations. Again, specifically if your goal is to convince people to change their behavior. People aren't entitled to have you not offend them. But the more you can mitigate that while not compromising your position to do so, the more effective of a communicator you'll be. You have a right to offend people, but being needlessly offensive (double bold and highlight on needlessly) is counter productive.
@CarbonAtom142 жыл бұрын
This was a good conversation. Everyone participated in the conversation. There is no toxicity because this is not a debate, but a conversation. I hope there are more conversations and that fanatiq can conduct the conversation. Conversation
@gregmcclellan80902 жыл бұрын
anyone who thinks they do a "net good" by posting on twitter is delusional
@nevermindful2 жыл бұрын
Underrated truth
@ucheobiekwe22872 жыл бұрын
Twitch*
@pierbelizaire14952 жыл бұрын
I once opened a civil engineeering textbook to a random page it was just a picture of destiny captioned "example of a structurally sound frame that can be built upon"
@DrownedLamp2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't want blood sports, but also gets Destiny riled up with casual N bombs. When will he learn?
@valentines7639 Жыл бұрын
Here's my whole question with the line of argument that if someone can't handle saying no in uncomfortable positions they should not have casual sex. Why is sex treated as a thing you need to have?
@melinhead37662 жыл бұрын
I do love that destiny is open to having these types of conversations, most people wouldn’t be
@michaeldromes39482 жыл бұрын
Most of these panels make me want to videogame myself but this roster of panelists was surprisingly engaging and cool to listen to, with pretty unique perspectives, good faiths, even honest admissions of being wrong.
@JBX072 жыл бұрын
I'm always quite impressed to see that Destiny is able to have these heady conversations while playing video games.
@bookterror2 жыл бұрын
The "degenerate" comment is like the perfect example of why this entire situation is built upon lies. No one in this panel reacted when the online activist trans communiuty was called degenerate but Destiny's descriptor of subhuman was not okay? Exactly the same situation but he's held to a different standard.
@richarddixon6352 Жыл бұрын
The blonde is a professional victim
@518UN42 жыл бұрын
That was actually a really nice panel. I enjoy those way more than the crazy 15 people screaming at each other and half of them just escaped the mental hospital panels.
@jajohnek2 жыл бұрын
I love the start showing how much prep Fanatiq has indeed put into this: "I've taken time to carefully speak to each of you. Riz-ome (however you pronounce your name)..." don't you think that might be one of the things to find from those pre-talk conversations? :D
@PlanetJeroen2 жыл бұрын
Not if they are text
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
@@PlanetJeroen Generally I think it's respectable for a person to pronounce words wrong which they use correctly - it means they learned it by reading.
@PlanetJeroen2 жыл бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor not sure when that word is a name. I would add at least a zoom meeting or alike ahead of time to cover the things that can get lost in text only, like pronunciation and voice tonality for the audio tech that has make it all sound similar.. so yah, missed opportunity more than respectable imho.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
@@PlanetJeroen I said "generally"
@PlanetJeroen2 жыл бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I said "when"
@jcpbd17762 жыл бұрын
Tbh for soyction to be 19 and put that young pride aside and say "I'm wrong" around 36:00 I had some respect for that
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe the bar is this low. But the bar is this low.
@filippeos Жыл бұрын
@@Nazareadain im 17 from greece and only in america is the bar that ridiculously low
@toby93642 жыл бұрын
Extremely salient critique of destiny: you can’t act like a different person/use hyper inflammatory rhetoric on Twitter in order to farm content for stream and then when you get to stream, you expect to have a nuanced, respectful discussion. What’s worse is that destiny then complains about the state of discourse online, when he is an essential part of that rotten discourse.
@user-gc1wj8tt2p2 жыл бұрын
this as a destiny fan I agree with
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
I've never used Twitter, why can't you have a different persona for a stupid shitposting account?
@pdxlasher Жыл бұрын
STVPhilly talked for 10 minutes straight and I don't even know what he said. Huh?? Who are these people and why do they think their opinions about Destiny or his tweets even freaking matter?
@richardeknormis76882 жыл бұрын
It is BEYOND clear that you cannot talk about trans issues if you aren’t speaking overwhelming support for anything they think or want to do… Any whiff of a disagreement automatically makes you a transphobe or intolerant even when you are presenting a nuanced opinion
@L_Martin Жыл бұрын
And the unassailable statement TWAW cuts straight to the heart of that. If you're not willing to deny material reality, you hate trans people and want them deed.
@emsax2 жыл бұрын
I love how civil this was. Even Section having a naive take was very good faith - what a lad.
@patchgodwilliams10242 жыл бұрын
As a right winger who watches destiny out of respect it's wild that the first guy argument is "I don't like how destiny behaves on twitter"
@tb86542 жыл бұрын
The first guy makes literally no sense, saying "Maybe you should just pick your partner even better" is literally an example of victim blaming lmao
@Seaneey2 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone make a claim & then immediately walk it back when they get pushed on it. Is this really the direction of online discourse?
@tianamaycry2 жыл бұрын
For real though, accusation after accusation walked back immediately after Steven says one sentence. These people are fucking rabid, but cloaked in soy.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
Always has been.
@section16212 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the convo, would like to talk again if I get the chance :D
@Paragonofcynicism2 жыл бұрын
@1:29:30 yeah setting a threshold doesn't "necessarily" mean the threshold will just arbitrarily change, but he has ABSOLUTELY NO principled standard he is using to define "mean". He even says this "I don't have a formula we draw these ARBITRARY distinctions like this fairly frequently". So from his OWN words, the threshold ABSOLUTELY will change. If he can't give a precise line then the slippery slope is NOT a fallacy, it is the reality! What prevents the slippery slope from being illogical is the existence of hard standards, hard lines. "That is mean" is NOT a hard standard!
@thebronzemanticore2 жыл бұрын
48:55 The heavy sigh here is very telling, oh no, she has to remember who said something before accusing Destiny of it, the horror, the horror!
@NayJay_2 жыл бұрын
Please. August. If you aren’t doing the OG Intro jingle ever again. Please just…. Go back to the old thumbnails. PLEASE. I WANT TO RIP MY EYES OUT
@christopherjackson12602 жыл бұрын
My man Fanatiq dropping the N-slur like he’s Vaush over here.
@fantasyskeep2 жыл бұрын
I'll tell you why Destiny was banned from Twitch. The mods got their fefes hurt when he disagreed with them and decided to share his opinion.
@Galaxy-fe8bf2 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work August :)
@dragonbreath87692 жыл бұрын
@destiny I obviously was triggered. You killed this. Really appreciate your pushing through this difficult discussion. I think it was important to have and short of may dropping a few of the terms of insult you should not change a thing. Your natural form of discourse is extremely important.
@simonwinn87572 жыл бұрын
I agree with destiny's take on the online trans activists. It's all Identity Politics with all the talking points and arguments, even with my layperson's understanding I can spot flaws in what they are saying, because it's all based on a narrative. A while back, I watched a Contrapoints video where she debated a Terf Character she created and she actually lost against her strawman.
@humpyloaddart2 жыл бұрын
Do you watch adam and stich?
@Sesshounamaru72 жыл бұрын
Then you only listened to points that alreadya gree with you and ran with them... most of the transphobia that people think 'surr hurr its a moderate/centrist' is just based on pure ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject, them beliving your ignorance has to be taken on the same level as research and live experiences from those of us who know. Strawmaning is a logical fallacy for a reason, then people still buy into them because its the easiest, lasiest thing to do
@simonwinn87572 жыл бұрын
@@humpyloaddart I watch them every now and then, not very often.
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
Why do I get the feeling there's a generous amount of interpretation involved in the "losing" part of that statement? oh, right: "even with my layperson's understanding I can spot flaws in what they are saying" #humblebrag #weirdflex #sayyouresmartwithoutsayingyouresmart Even with my layman's understanding, I too can enjoy a good round of intellectual autofellatio.
@ryanpercival98232 жыл бұрын
This is one of Fanatiq's best conversations. Civil, made ground, and moved the needle.
@Paragonofcynicism2 жыл бұрын
@23:00 'a platform has a responsibility to ban things that are inflammatory'. To who? because inflammatory is subjective. Call it a hunch, but I'd bet this person doesn't care about banning things that are inflammatory to a devout Catholic. So basically this person is saying, 'I think platforms have a responsibility to ban opinions I don't like'. These people are insufferable, narcissistic, children.
@shin-te1xr2 жыл бұрын
destiny pretty much got banned by 14-19 year old kids who's feeling are hurt lmao
@thlkmura2 жыл бұрын
This all started with that Actual Jake debate. Destiny should have heeded his warning and stopped being a big mean poopie head.
@corykerby91393 ай бұрын
As a 19-year-old who doesn't know s*** I'm trying really hard not to soy out right now 😂😂😂
@nevermindful2 жыл бұрын
I wish that Steven had brought this back around to the actual harm of lefties infighting when spicy Twitter takes are 2000th down on the list of priorities. This type of prioritization breeds idiots like the Steven Crowder vs Steven debate, breeds echocucks like Hasan, prevents real progress. Find who smeared destiny in the campaigning arc and rectify that, because it's sad that any real progress gets weighed down by a spicy quote.
@matsab79302 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this panel. Solid discussion, good faith push-back with genuine attempts to respond to destiny with reasonable arguments and fnatic managing the panel exceptionally well for a change. All around really positive, and I'd like to see more like this moving forward.
@user-nr2ku9dk9b2 жыл бұрын
Anyone know approximately what % of Destiny's revenue came from Twitch? I'm a fan but I basically just watch his YT clips.
@bird64722 жыл бұрын
Hard to say. I feel like he would have a consistent 2-3k viewers on Twitch. Most viewers on dgg would opt for the KZbin player I think because embedded Twitch would blackout after a few hours. But it was definitely a significant percentage of his total income.
@DaveChappeleIsGod2 жыл бұрын
@@bird6472 I think he said that originally it was a majority, but since KZbin has been doing well it turned into like 10(ish) percent of his income? I forget which video it was in. Maybe it was an off-hand comment during a stream I saw in a Vod?
@uszpdoz2 жыл бұрын
he mention that his annual total income was around 500k~800k..so maybe around 10~20% was from twitch
@K0sm1cKid2 жыл бұрын
@@uszpdoz yo are you fr he makes 500-800k a year? Bro he has to be on the cusp of being able to retire completely if he wanted to. He doesn't have to give af about anything anyone thinks at that point he's got f you money haha
@uszpdoz2 жыл бұрын
@@K0sm1cKid I mean he already said he's rich lol, I think at this point his saving is almost enough for his son retirement fund too.
@Alfalfa888882 жыл бұрын
wait, is this a reupload? havent we had this exact same conversation with the exact same talking points like 10 times already? is there a factory that produces humans to debate destiny on this exact same stealthing tweet immediately when they come off the conveyor belt?
@TheStreetZ892 жыл бұрын
I think destiny and soy should have a one on one discussion
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor2 жыл бұрын
I too enjoy Human Sacrifice.
@cosettapessa64172 жыл бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor loool
@eben72482 жыл бұрын
This was Fanatiq’s best showing as a moderator. There may be hope yet for his panels.
@missinggrey13192 жыл бұрын
Yeah because he shut up
@eben72482 жыл бұрын
@@missinggrey1319 true
@darkyoumemento53072 жыл бұрын
46:30 This is exactly it. People who say that Destiny can work on himself by "being less of a dick on Twitter" imply that being nice is a virtue. Being nice is not a virtue. The most evil people can be nice and the most good people can act rough around the edges. Niceness it not an indicator of morality. It is decorum. It is aesthetic.
@FirstnameLastname-nd9wx2 жыл бұрын
stoopid. being nice is a virtue. it's making sure people feel good around you. demonstrates that you care about others, which a lot of the time is rooted in moral virtue. yes, someone can act nice to look good, but then they're not actually nice. they're just pretending to be nice.
@merlotpapi49302 жыл бұрын
@@FirstnameLastname-nd9wx If someone is pretending to be nice and it takes only after the fact to know that, don't you think maybe that being nice isn't a requirement to be a "good" person? Also many evil people use niceness to ease people into comfort so they can hurt them. That's what most people call "manipulation". Something leftist twitter/twitch should know a lot of by now considering how many of them do it to others/each other.
@FirstnameLastname-nd9wx2 жыл бұрын
@@merlotpapi4930 i wouldn't consider that niceness i would consider that fake niceness. being nice isn't a requirement, but if you're a good person, you have people's best interests at heart. which would translate to you being nice, unless you just have no social skills.
@merlotpapi49302 жыл бұрын
@@FirstnameLastname-nd9wx "Fake niceness" is why being nice isn't the only thing you should check for in someone being a "good" person or not. You're literally proving my point lmao
@trouty79472 жыл бұрын
I think "nice" and "good/evil" needs some very explicit definition here, and it feels like just a limit of the English language. Assuming I'm understanding you correctly, I have a question: can good out weigh evil? And vice versa. Like, if someone built hospitals and ran them for free saving thousands of lives, but grossly abused children, how does that balance? My point being, at what point does "being a dick and having disregard for how your actions/words affect other, or even intentionally trying hurt to people" actually start to to affect the "good" alignment? I honestly don't have an answer to this myself.
@gabrielmoultrie32082 жыл бұрын
I shit on Fanatiq for that last panel but I definitely appreciate the improvement with this one. Good shit man boi.
@clutchlesss17102 жыл бұрын
Literally I haven't heard a good take against on his stealthing position yet.
@lustrazor442 жыл бұрын
I haven’t either. If you keep doing something that’s negatively affecting you, you really should stop and figure out why. I really don’t understand why people are so up in arms about that. It makes no sense to me at all
@onionfarmer30442 жыл бұрын
The only logic I can see is if you're a misogynistic and think women are children. Then you would have a good counter in that context to his argument.
@deep_and_profound_topics2 жыл бұрын
i mean destiny is acting like anyone takes issue with his general promotion of personal responsibility wrt sex. of course one should be able to express boundaries w sexual partners-and if they can’t, they should refrain from casual sex. that’s not really the concern here. that’s the kind of advice you give to someone who can’t speak up when they’re uncomfortable with their partner, say, spontaneously choking them, or pulling their hair. stealthing is a direct transgression of an established boundary. when you begin sex wearing a condom, there is the implicit agreement that it remains on until completion (obviously), and so a stealthing situation is akin to specifying with a partner: “don’t choke me,” and having them choke you regardless. there are rules outlining a consensual, sexual interaction and those rules are deliberately broken. it’s not really difficult to understand how this would make a considerably smaller and weaker sexual partner feel unsafe speaking up, and it’s extremely stupid of destiny to pretend the onus is on the woman to simply “pick better” in these circumstances.
@idkhbtfmandnowimsad9942 жыл бұрын
@@deep_and_profound_topics The point is to express the boundary. If from there, the person still ignores that, then that is not the fault of anyone but that person. I think the point is to just have the standard of speaking up because that can reduce the chance of a person being raped.
@deep_and_profound_topics2 жыл бұрын
@@idkhbtfmandnowimsad994 my point is that the boundary is implicitly expressed. when someone removes a condom midway through sex it represents the transgression of an already established boundary, not a miscommunication of boundaries.
@saintspy1502 жыл бұрын
People were kinda too harsh on the Soy guy imo, he's defending some pretty silly positions but he's clearly a pretty nice and smart kid
@louispearson83062 жыл бұрын
Stop shitting on Fnatic.. this panel is an actual conversation unlike every other with people shouting over each other.
@Nazareadain2 жыл бұрын
exactly. It's awful.
@fragdq2 жыл бұрын
please dont invite or argue with teenagers... so annoying to listen to. that guy didn't have any clue about anything. Got corrected of almost everything he said by everybody in the call, because it was nonsense all in all. teenager do not know anything about the world, he just left high school and thinks he understands the world.