John Played PS5 Pro in Japan... And Here's What He Thinks

[@alpharorschach8708]

Let's be honest here, we all want one, but we don't need one and that price is just nuts.

[@StephenOBG]

100%

[@O2TG]

I don't want one, I could have bought three for what I paid for my 4090. It's not expensive.

[@Bl4nkshell]

You're right. I would absolutely love to play Gran Turismo 7 with real Ray Tracing. It's such a small feature yet I just love how it looks. But I'm not willing to spend 700 dollars on a console without a disc drive. 100% of my collection is physical, meaning that if I got the PS5 Pro, I would be forced to get a Disc Drive (which is sold out and normally costs the price of two PS5 games where I live in) or to buy the game AGAIN digitally. It's not only that, but I don't want to support this, expensive consoles that take away things from previous models (Disc Drives, and Stands). If people accept this, in the future the damn thing is not going to come with HDMI cables, a power cord or even a controller, just like people accepted that their phones don't include a charger anymore and earbuds anymore, despite being more and more expensive.

[@trihard42069]

It's literally a $200 gpu upgrade and their own upscaling tech. idk what you don't get about the price

[@TheInsanitiesedge]

Just trade in the older ps5. That's what I'm doing :)

[@Brendo95]

John referring to the base PS5 as PS4 the entire time 🤣🤣🤣

[@Raigeki-SC]

about the same thing

[@wben7833]

​@@Raigeki-SCoh another meltdown crying again, shocker.

[@codyking4253]

​@wben7833 Nobody is crying. It just.. doesn't make any sense. Mid gen consoles are weird.. you can already play all the games.. right now.. on a PS5. A 1,200 dollar computer would beat the PS5 pro. When you start to care about Graphical performance, FPS, Machine Learning, Ray Tracing, etc... might as well just get a gaming PC at that point and free yourself of limitations that Sony or Xbox put on you as a gamer.

[@wben7833]

@@codyking4253 you can't buy a PC for that money here, not even close. A 4070ti super is as low as i would go, and that's 1300$ here and that's one part. I've already priced it out and it's over 2000$. And that's before taxes. So no it's not even an option for me. I'm good.

[@codyking4253]

@@wben7833 Save the 700, don't get a Pro.. when the next generation of consoles comes out, save that.. get a 1,500 computer. The PS5 pro has a very low end cpu, albeit, it's well optimized.. but won't take much to beat it. The Pro (pure speculation) has about a 3080 worth of GPU, which is 500 on Amazon.. definitely could beat a Pro with a 1,200 budget.

[@iio58]

Why even talk about “8K” when modern consoles can’t even do 4K at decent frame rates and clarity consistently? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@shellshock3243]

Saying the current consoles can barely even manage native 30fps at 4K in most games, then any talk of 8K is just plain stupid. 8K @30fps would require at least 4x the performance that you are currently getting from a PS5. However the GPU in the Pro is only giving a 40% uplift max, not a 400% uplift that would be required. As for the ridiculous comments I've seen like "It'll just use PSSR to achieve 8K". Again upscaling is already being used in most games already to achieve 4K from lower resolutions, like 720p, 1080p and 1440p. All PSSR will be doing is substituting current upscaling techniques like DRS, FSR, TSR or Checkerboarding for PSSR. You can't use FSR and PSSR together or the quality of the results would be atrocious (including the latency and tons of skipped frames). PSSR is just a slightly better quality alternative to using FSR, nothing more, nothing less. BTW, even if PSSR could do frame gen (which it can't), it still would fall well short of 8K gaming on such a GPU. You need a GPU like a 4090, using both upscaling and frame gen to get close to 8K gaming. Even then, that'll fall flat on it's face in most titles that are even remotely taxing or demanding.

[@OmegaDenz96]

I think they meant for photo mode in games. 🤷

[@OmegaDenz96]

I mean, why need that much pixels? Are all people play on a 100 inch or more TVs/Monitors??

[@ahmetkavurmac3712]

Racing and Sports games has been the only games on generations to hit the resolution ceiling in consoles. Same here. GT7 and F1 24 can run at 8K. Maybe we can see the next FIFA (FC) to run at 8k, but that would be it.

[@martinflores7354]

Who the hell made ray tracing a priority over fps and 4k ? I know the gamers didn’t

[@AaronWOfficial]

tbh ray tracing and 4k are both a meme. 1440p high frame-rates is peak gaming. Way more affordable, and enjoyable. £2000 ($2600) can get you a 1440p gaming rig, with a 1440p OLED monitor and no upscaling or frame generation, just glorious native 1440p (you can pick up a 1440p OLED for around £600 on sale). To get a 4k gaming rig with a 4k OLED monitor, you are gonna be paying over double that and get half the frame-rates XD. Not to mention 4k monitors tend to have lower refresh rate than 1440p monitors as well. If sony stopped pushing that their console is 4k (It isn't, it is upscaled), and targeted native 1440p at 60-120 fps high settings instead of the low-medium settings with 4k upscaling at 30 - 60 fps, the games would look and perform sooooo much better. Upscaling just makes everything look trash, especially when you aren't on high settings. The only reason they push 4k is because it is a higher number than 2K, it is just a marketing ploy they probably already know it would be better off in 1440p but they just want to bait more people with 4K. And this is why I am done with consoles, they are just scamming everyone with their 4k buzzword. They even had 8k on the box of the ps5, and sneakily removed it on their most recent box hoping nobody noticed XD. So nobody can even deny they are scamming at this point.

[@allthis701]

@@AaronWOfficial I might be wrong but I don't think 4k upscaled from much lower resolutions (as we have seen a lot of this gen) is more demanding than native 1440p with high framerates and high graphics settings

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@allthis701 It isn't more demanding you are right, but why would you want upscaling? Introduces artifacts in your game Makes game look more blurry than native (Seriously, why fork out an arm and a leg for a 4k screen just to not play in true 4k. Makes zero sense) Some games have very buggy upscaling implentation that can cause crashes, and it can be a nightmare to fix it trying different dlss dll files and such and messing around with dlsstweaks. Rather save myself the headache and play in native 1440p at high fps. Also DLAA is possible in 1440p, good luck running DLAA in 4k XD

[@Lanse1984]

​@allthis701 there is a massive difference between 1440 and 4k

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@Lanse1984 Not when it is upscaled, a native picture always looks better than upscaling even if it is lower res. and the difference isn't massive at all, huge overstatement. I have seen both side by side, it is not night and day difference like people claim. What I see a lot of, is people moving from 34" 1440p monitor to 34" 4k monitor and that is why they think it is a night and day difference. What they don't seem to realise, is 34" is dogshit for 1440p because of the PPI (Pixels Per Inch) and looks far better on a 27". If you actually compare the PPI of 4k 34" vs 1440p 27", the difference in ppi is tiny af Too many people are looking at resolution all wrong, you only need high resolution if you want a big screen. For competitive gaming, you do not want a big screen. It is actually a disadvantage. I'm surprised so many people overlook this fact, because it is so obvious. If there is less surface area for your eyes to view, you will see more things. You will see enemies in the corner of your screen easier and react faster. This is why many pro gamers still play in 1080p and play on 22" monitors, they don't want the disadvantage of having more to look at + they want higher fps. If you actually look at steam hardware survey, you will see the most popular card is a 3060 8gb. This is because this is sufficient to play most competitive games like cs 2.

[@TheClyde1993]

It's so infuriating that PlayStation released the pro without a disc drive. People have scalped the disc drive in my country and it costs upwards of 200€ now. That's insane.

[@TranCeFORM3R]

@@TheClyde1993 well think about of this way, waiting for a disk look into your digital catologue of how many offical games you boutght?????

[@TranCeFORM3R]

@@TheClyde1993 is he okay

[@TranCeFORM3R]

@@TheClyde1993 sesuire protcole

[@TranCeFORM3R]

@@TheClyde1993 is he ok

[@ragetobe]

I went to shopto right after pre ordering and I ordered a disc drive at retail price, it said they would send it when they had stock, I had it within a week. Just order one for a shop and they will get stock.

[@ericwilson9457]

I would get this if I had a PS4 But I already have a PS5

[@TheAtkinson118]

The smartest person on the the comments by far Sir 👍

[@vergilcold1167]

Yep, might as well wait till 6 since sony said we are half way through this gen

[@maximefraisier1010]

I still see a massive visual difference, if you care about visual it's a good upgrade. Why do you think people buy 1000$ GPU ? To look blurry ?

[@agentorange8530]

I have PS5 but probably gonna get the Pro. That's a huge difference in Rebirth. Didn't get Rebirth because, to me, it doesn't run good enough.

[@SsjHokage]

Maybe watch the video on something larger than your phone you dolt

[@Weisguy]

I’m glad it looks better than the PS4 he kept referencing thru half the video…

[@basketballlife5280]

idk how u mix up the PS4 & PS5 names unless its the inside joke 😂

[@UONeal]

The outrage over this console is ridiculous. There wasn't this level of outrage when NVidia sells a 12gb GPU for $700 but this is a PREMIUM console... It's not the next generation base console... The pro is for those who want the very best and can afford it... The base model isn't getting discontinued for everyone else

[@TranCeFORM3R]

I’m trading in my old 4 year old ps5 for new pro, which they are giving me near face value to it. So I will look forward to the next 3-4 years of the games well optimised and in focused for in term this dependable for the future of PC gaming too.

[@RonchyPR]

Because of the PC gamers hate…

[@starship_01]

Pony😂😂😂

[@franciscofarias6385]

It doesn't matter, the past generation set the expectations for this premium console's price.

[@RonchyPR]

@@starship_01 but I’ll play GTA6 first..

[@Cedjr88]

Alex Battaglia looks so disappointed that nobody cares about his PC setup anymore 🤣.

[@gamzillio]

Too much imagination? Just stop with that console vs. PC thing... Grow up. I also don't get what's so hysterically funny about it. It's not even an anecdote or anything.

[@Realmreaver1]

Or he has to hold his tongue and not say the truth of the matter.

[@adrianojv409]

@@gamzillio wow man relax, all ok at home? It's a cool joke and yes he was upset, but for the PC being an afterthought and instead of getting proper support, he said it...10:25 it was super funny... Now PS5Pro will help PCporters to get better ports as more optimization to a higher end console will be similar to the higher specs on PCs...

[@adrianojv409]

@@Realmreaver1 enlightened enlighten us?

[@crazyc9326]

A high-End PC will always be better then a console..Native 4k is the best way to play games! a console can't do that on most of these games...

[@unluckymarshmallow1688]

Can’t wait to receive my PS5 Pro 🥰🥰

[@stephensearles673]

I'm just the same the 7th of November can't come quick enough

[@RonchyPR]

Me too, God bless you!

[@brianmcswain8932]

Me, both of my adult daughters and three of their friends all have it pre-ordered.

[@RonchyPR]

@@brianmcswain8932 that’s the way!

[@michaelgonzales1365]

Me too! Imagine being so soft that a price for a more premium product hurts your feelings, sheesh. No one is MAKING us upgrade. We here can afford a gaming PC as well. But I prefer my console. It is what it is. But really, I cannot wait for this thing. Congrats to you guys 😎👍

[@dmoros78v]

what about GT7 on PSVR2??? nobody has covered what PS5 Pro will bring to PSVR

[@hong_kong_phooey]

Probably because the dozen or so people who bought psvr don’t matter to Sony?

[@dexteroreo3392]

1:27 there you have it folks if you dont think the left is blurry then this aint for you.

[@henleyvarghese1442]

Planning to get a PRO. Then holding back thinking it is just going to be a 700$ paper weight

[@chromesucks5299]

its $700 without tax

[@Spartan_83]

@@chromesucks5299 and a disk drive lol

[@chromesucks5299]

@@Spartan_83 Yeah if you add up price for drive, the yearly ps+ charges and taxes, it comes nearly $900-1000 At that point get a steamdeck/pc

[@michaelavrie]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't see raytraced reflections on cars as a revolutionary upgrade. The various combinations of techniques that have been around for years have been plenty convincing enough. I would rather see them innovate in other ways. Raytraced lighting and shadows are much more impactful to my eye.

[@Realmreaver1]

It is awesome but only if you got the rig to really show it off. Why the pro and higher price tag.

[@alejandrooro9932]

You are in the majority

[@SWOTHDRA]

Path tracing is the only way. RDR2 is this the best looking game out here, with the terrain chinging, best lighting etc. And it runs on a ps4......

[@AlphariousOmegon-d5d]

Once you get used to it, you'll notice it when it's not there

[@user-ws6nu4mq8k]

You’re absolutely right. The tech is cool but I’m honestly starting to lose interest in some of this stuff. Those reflections do almost nothing to actually improve the visuals when you’re properly racing. I can’t believe it’s seen as this ”major feature”. GT looks so good on the track side already that it mainly needs an upgrade on the enviroments to take the experience into the next level.

[@THX-2208]

If it weren't for Digital Foundry and John I think I would have given the Pro a miss, mainly because of the lack for information coming from Sony. Thank God for John Linneman!

[@mxrandolph4539]

Df are a miss themselves and often lack tech knowledge. Stop glazing.

[@NicholasKoeppel]

There has also been a heavy push from gaming sites; to discount the value of the PS5 Pro… I mean IGN had their PlayStation pro team: absolutely railing on the price, barely focusing on the positives, and more then half of their PLAYSTATION team openly stating they’d skip this console generation; because it was 200 dollars more then a console released 4 years ago… At the same time: they host a Microsoft xbox fanboy party, with interviews and tech demos after they announced their new Series X system with same internals and a 2TB SSD for 600 dollars; and their giving the head of xbox a standing ovation… The PS5 Pro is the direction the industry is headed, it takes very little programming resources to take advantage of what was added; and because there exists a Pro-xbox agenda that seems to want: out dated hardware at higher prices, pre-rendered no-gameplay demos with no release dates to keep GamePass memberships up, and endless praise about their record profits as they perform massive layoffs… It doesn’t seem logical, so the only other logical reason is their being paid by Microsoft.

[@Disinfectantanime]

You would rather someone from a different perspective to tell you the difference. Sony playstation could've said the same thing.

[@GiBMan70]

Pushsquare aren't much better...and their comments sections are full of coping idiots trying to dump on it toxic.

[@godssalvation87]

Dont remember the last time any hardware maker went super in depth on hardware refreshes. I think they just allowed channels like digital foundry or even to demonstrate there hardware at event preview.

[@MrChadLedford]

I actually think the price of the ps5 pro is fine, even using historical reference points. The problem is shipping it at that price without a disc drive.

[@krispybowgod9656]

Everyone needs to understand that there are no huge generational leaps like ps1 to ps2 etc anymore. Games have reached near realistic fidelity. We are in an era like PC gaming now where we are chasing minor performance upgrades and better ray tracing etc. it won’t blow your mind but it is definitely better than a base ps5 or xbox

[@ittoogami2682]

Bullshit

[@vmbo]

They should focus more on AI (have characters with realistic conversations), realistic physics and destructable objects etc. Most worlds still feel fake, even though the graphics and reflections are great. Unbreakable glass, objects glued to the environment etc

[@slowmercy69]

​@@vmboGTA IV is a lot morr impressive than V for this very reason. I want more advancements in the processing and physics department, not graphics

[@eclisis5080]

you still playing at 60fps, you are in the era of PC gaming ten years ago

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

​@@vmbo exactly, graphics aren't everything

[@joshfulcifan1015]

Great video guys. Just makes me look more forward to my pre-ordered console more than ever.

[@Canadaops]

He keeps saying ps4

[@keronwilliams4409]

The look on Alex's face is priceless 😂😂

[@NexGenTek]

Lmao 😂

[@TheBatosai]

He's definitely a fan of his PC master race

[@Thunder_unit00]

With this AI called 'PSSR' in the PS5 Pro it should keep getting better right?

[@TM-zc4qz]

Depends on the support for games. I dont buy a pro to play old as walking simulators a little sharper for 1000 bucks. The pro enhanced games already run good and look good on the ps5.

[@Macktube]

PlayStation is literally the only platform keeping this channel relevant at this point😅 The other 2 ones are either outdated or just not releasing anything technically of note.

[@codyking4253]

@@Macktube Nobody cares about playstation. Us PC gamers are simply curious about how the Ray Tracing performs. The new GPU's are right around the corner now, and AMD does this almost every time. Where they release some decent tech, that isn't in their own GPUs at the moment, on the PS5 first due to contract obligations. By early next year there will be better GPUs from AMD available.. and in 2 years when the next generation of GPUs launch, the PS5 pro will be laughably bad, when compared to modern technology.

[@Macktube]

@@codyking4253 it must be interesting living in your own fantasy world

[@ItzRoachy]

I swear pc guys are the worst ​@codyking4253

[@MichaelM28]

@@codyking4253Everyone cares about PlayStation. Even you salty port beggars 😂

[@EllyKamarudeen]

​@@MichaelM28 My Strix 4090 is 20 times better than your PlayStation fan boy, which is basically just a fancy dust collector at this point.

[@TheOldest]

When most of the notably changes require 4x maganification at 50% playback speed, I'm not gonna notice when I'm playing. I feel like that should be the biggest factor for upgrading your hardware is seeing the difference. If you need an FPS counter and multiple zoom in and slow downs to highlight minor improvements the console hardware race has essentially plateaued. I'm still looking at developers for making suggestions like this feel necessary with poor optimization on all platforms and framerates not being a priority during development.

[@codyking4253]

@@TheOldest RT (ray tracing) doesnt need a 4x zoom to show improvement, it speaks for itself.. the FPS thing.. its subjective.. when I lock my monitor to 60 FPS after coming from 240.. I immediately notice a big difference.. the game just feels "sloppy", if that makes any sense.

[@codyking4253]

@@TheOldest Side note, there are other, major advancements coming.. its just still in the works still. With Machine Learning, PT (Path tracing) being chased after now.. its basically the improved form of ray tracing, and does in fact offer another visual leap. The biggest improvement this console generation got was a SSD. I remember when I got my first SSD 10 years ago.. it was a night and day difference.. very exciting stuff at that time.. no, not a visual improvement.. but a very nice change nonetheless.

[@Sideways_Singh]

@@TheOldest either ur blind or ur watching on a lil baby phone screen. Even then ur still blind cus even on a tiny phone screen some of these games are night and day, the biggest improvement are also double the fps, which u have to play to feel the lack of delay and to see 60 fps difference u need to watch on a tv.

[@martinflores7354]

Very true.

[@mexreax4493]

You only notice if you play at 55 inches or bigger. I do. It's horrible on a 55 inch oled compared to the pc version of ff vii remake at 4k 120fps with 4k textures. Looks like a last gen game compared to that on my 55 inch oled

[@tredfxman]

My PS4 Pro runs my 1080P TV just fine thank you! 👍

[@darkelf2245]

Same. I'm only upgrading for GTA

[@RicardoSavino]

I can see the difference, but I fail to see the point.

[@supergooglelee]

Would also like to see how GT7 on the Pro fares on the PSVR2. Let’s see!

[@lapatabelluda2240]

Just get a Xbox series x okay forza horizon 4k 60fp ray tracing looks gorgeous their I save your self all that money

[@supergooglelee]

@@lapatabelluda2240 I already have an XBox Series X, but I play Forza on my RTX4090.

[@garyhenry5673]

OR....you can keep your ps5...save the 700 to 800 dollars for the ps6. done.

[@StreetPreacherr]

And if you for some reason still don't have a console. Will most people prefer a DISCOUNTED standard PS5, or a PREMIUM priced 'Pro' model?

[@shepardcommander9960]

That's still 4 years away at the minimum.

[@necro699]

Playstation is letting Digital Foundry and others dissect their system. DF's word is to be trusted and they can spread the word . Playstation doesn't want to brag. Let others brag for them. Anyone can say this is awesome on what they're selling. Letting someone else try it and talk about it is priceless. Thank you, Digital Foundry!!

[@BigJugsRule92]

Ehh I wouldn’t say that, they can be pretty biased

[@jamesthomas89112]

Facts. Remember when they constantly compared Ps5 games to PC but not xbox games to PC. Clearly biased

[@BigJugsRule92]

@@jamesthomas89112 in their defense, Xbox hardly had any games to compare 😂

[@necro699]

Xbox is not the Xbox I supported since day 1. They have lost their way and left their fanbase begging for something to be proud of. Bragging about anything and everything and yet, the numbers don't lie. They left the console race and are going to the subscription, which is the future but many of us still want a console.

[@tringuyen7519]

@@BigJugsRule92Regardless of DF bias, the side by side comparison of the PS5 & PS5 Pro is mind blowing. Games on PS5 Pro are absolutely stunning!!!

[@rodm209]

Ill wait for the ps6 to play at 16k with 39 fps

[@Jay_Walker92]

All I know is November 7th can't get here fast enough...got my disc drive and stand ready to go💪🏿.

[@robtennant98]

Simp

[@Marshmallow-ht8me]

PSSR is going to be a game changer for PS5 Pro. I can’t wait to see GTA 6 running on the Pro

[@BryceCzirr-jz7ju]

Won't touch DLSS. Consoles playing catchup to PC, as usual.

[@Marshmallow-ht8me]

@@BryceCzirr-jz7ju who said it would?

[@bastien4530]

@@BryceCzirr-jz7juok

[@MrWinnfield]

what an insane thing to say

[@EduardSLVRU]

@@BryceCzirr-jz7junobody cares about PC. PC nerds as usual spend all the money and games still stuttering and barely anyone plays on mid settings. PC is for a broke boys who pretend to be rich.

[@ToxMod]

Alex Battaglia always has something to say….except when John brings the facts. 😂 10:34

[@SamSamShine]

But is it worth paying twice as much as the regular PS5 ?

[@SsjHokage]

Well if you can math and know it’s not twice as much yes. The guy commenting broken PC ports nails it on the head of why this is a better buy.

[@jernaugurgeh451]

@@SsjHokage It is double, if you include having to shell out for the disc drive, which the PS5 Pro doesn't have. Currently, the PS5 Digital can be had for £339 in the UK... the PS5 Pro pre-order is £699... which is more than double.

[@SamSamShine]

@@SsjHokage in my country the PS5 disc version costs 530$ and the PS5 Pro + disc drive costs 1060$

[@Mr.Murphy2You]

Can't wait I have 2 pre-ordered for myself and the kiddos 💯🔥💯

[@originalauthor]

buying two pros is nasty work....

[@frisby7143]

Would your kids even appreciate it

[@KaijuNo.606]

​@@frisby7143 why do you care about his kids? Weird.

[@GilgaMax305]

​@frisby7143 Tf, do you even care for? Bro's jealous of kids, lmao

[@jaredtrujillo4209]

@@GilgaMax305his daddy never got him a console

[@torengo]

I think one of the problems is that many people are still on old 1080p monitor or TV. Myself being a console and PC gamer, upgraded to a 1440p monitor and that alone gave me a new gaming experience with the same hardware. And I have come across this multiple times on Reddit of people asking for upgrade tips, especially GPUs when they still run a 1080p monitor. I'm not saying that the PS5 Pro is worth it, but many people don't even play at the highest resolution on their base PS5 even though there is super sampling.

[@chrisb7161]

Man it’s a night and day difference going from 1440p monitor to a 4K OLED gaming TV like Lg C1 or C2. I had a high end 4k gaming monitor and even that was night and day difference to the tv. You’re missing out

[@torengo]

@@chrisb7161 Yeah I know bro. Was talking about my experience going from 1080p to 1440p monitor. I also use a 4K LG TV that in my living room. My point was that many people don't consider upgrading their monitor before they upgrade their hardware

[@jarridbest6295]

You're awesome John!

[@hero4535]

Can’t wait to get mine day one! All future games will most definitely show much greater differences.

[@arielsalatan8968]

I Dont Like Tech KZbinrs They Always Recommend 1k+$$ PC and Still 1080p Gaming Yet They Dont Like 800$ Console 4k Raytrace Quality Mode 60 Fps This Is Why I Dont Trust Tech Youber Anymore

[@victorvargas9330]

@@arielsalatan8968 4K60fps console cannot 1080p240fps or ultrawide let alone mod or content create. You can just PlayStation on Sony consoles, or you can playstation AND workstation on PC. Also PC Game Pass.

[@giotorres9848]

im new to ps so i pre ordered the ps5 pro because many games that are pro enhanced that i want to play i havent so glad ill enjoy them in the highest quality a console can offer

[@lapatabelluda2240]

Nice so now you have a console that can compete with the Xbox series x well not really because the pro can’t even do 60fp like the series x

[@RR-lb6mr]

​@@lapatabelluda2240 most games run better on the PS5 already. Xbox can't compete with PlayStation no matter what they do lol, they're already on their way out of the competition.

[@thomgeh]

What about the volume of the fans and the coil whine?

[@Cryptic0013]

I see I'm not the only one who still remembers the PS4 Pro sounding like a 747 taking off. Couldn't play the bloody thing without headphones.

[@cyco7229]

probably not the best situation to evaluate that by playing at a press event, only when people get the system in their homes we'll have actual conclusions on noise

[@Dadandtheboys]

Good video, glad I’ve ordered one 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@NicholasKoeppel]

I think people are missing the point of the PS5 Pro and PSSR: this tech is the only way we get the majority to 4K120+ gaming; without requiring 24GB+ VRAM, or DVD sized Silicon dies… as a bonus: offloading AI enhancement is going to allow AMD unique uses of cluster designs(merging different levels of silicon on the same manufactured die)… The thing people don’t realize is… games are programmed for the majority… your super computer 4090 might be able to run circles around my PS5, but games are designed to be optimized at 12GBs of VRAM, and you’ll find currently: there’s quite a large diminishing return drop off as you move past that 12GB mark in most games…

[@TranCeFORM3R]

@@NicholasKoeppel Yep in terms of Multiplatform releases, it’s always been that way or was that way to optimised on dev hardware, then focus on a PC port externally it hasn’t change completely. Only time will tell if the product will sell but moving into 2025, with the release of games that were shown this year running poorly or under optimised with current hardware, let’s not forget about GTA 6 the true console system seller because we know Rockstar won’t port the game till they hit thier sales target and Take 2 is happy lol.

[@theMatch111]

Excellent comment

[@NexGenTek]

@@futureboy8897How is that not impressive when you’re barely getting that now

[@duppypixels]

Ill believe 4k/120fps when i see it… so far almost all these games are still only hitting 30 and 60 on the pro... and thats with OLDER titles at that smh. If i see more games hitting 120fps then ill grab one

[@c523jw7]

Your right about the vram. Trusting console..they will be upscaling from low resolutions and yeah dialled down settings to trick you guys into thinking your getting the same 4k 60 as pc gamers. Still locked ecosystem which is just not good overall

[@samuelbarrett1082]

I hope to God the pro improves VR performance. That's pretty much the only reason I'm rolling the dice and getting one.

[@divinitymode9364]

Here’s the huge thing about the Pro. It will almost certainly be the single best platform to play UE5 games on. And SO MANY upcoming games are UE5. Great image quality, no stuttering. That’s enough for me. I’m in.

[@PumKnH3D]

Some of my recent favorite games run on UE5 and have issues on ps5. If the pro does indeed help them run better, I will too be upgrading. Just gonna wait and see

[@MailmanMoe]

Until Dawn can't even run properly in unreal engine 5 and that's a ps4 game.

[@arturiaarthus8367]

the engine is the issue, not the hardware.

[@unknown-jx5yt]

the Pro will make little difference in the stuttering as like the other poster said its an engine problem and not a PS5 problem.

[@divinitymode9364]

@@arturiaarthus8367 The engine is fantastic. But has two issues. It needs hardware upscaling to get excellent image quality (especially with RT) and maintain framerate and its shader compilation solution is dire and causes stuttering on PC (consoles pre-compile). The Pro is the only machine that solves both issues.

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry. :D

[@whatsreallyhappening5669]

The same jokers complaining about a ps5 pro price whilst saying nothing about a 600 Xbox series x glitter box. 😂

[@Spartan_83]

The difference is no one is pushing the new Xbox onto others.

[@benarcher2381]

I actually pre ordered the ps5 pro twice and recently cancelled on two occasions. Just started rebirth at quality mode but seeing this makes me want the pro again

[@felipehorvath5527]

" There's no obligation from Sony to give us hardware " Very good quote.

[@joaoah]

If they want my money sure they are obligated to give me good hardware 😂

[@ueg3618]

That quote doesn't make any sense. Without hardware Sony would be out of business.

[@Vertignasse82]

​@@ueg3618No they make money on games and PS+ subscriptions. The current hardware is enough for those.

[@speedforce8970]

​@@ueg3618they really wouldn't be. Their hardware isn't what sells, it's their ecosystem and games

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

OK then Sony can not give us hardware and go f--k themselves but then shouldn't crawl back crying when their stonks are down.

[@rains2693]

There are people who want this. Most will be happy with the performance of a $40k car. There are people who are unhappy with the rear-wheel steering and precision of a curved OLED on an $80k car. There are completely different audiences and different markets. The pro is just starting to walk. I would like to see a $1200 Apple console.

[@notatechguy1209]

On PC, we really don't have much of a leg to stand on because consoles are the target. We often have to wait longer for a patch for a PC port, and sometimes, they never come. Most of us are rocking mid-range hardware or lower rigs that fall within the spec range they list for these games and spend hours playing around in settings. We all don't have RTX 4090/ 7800X3D systems to power through bad ports.

[@kongyiu]

Just be patient. Many developers can’t release exclusives anymore. It’s a matter of time they must put more effort in PC versions. With Sony pushing digital only consoles and increasing the prices, more and more people will go to the PC route to play games.

[@pgr3290]

Most people are not paying $700 for a PS5 Pro. However a massive proportion of PC gamers have hardware superior to the base PS5 at this point. It is four years old and anything better than an RTX3060 typically does better, not least because DLSS walks all over the usual FSR blur fest on console

[@notatechguy1209]

@@kongyiu Like I said some games never get fixed. I not going to PS5 anytime soon but I do understand why some do.

[@D4C_LoveTrain1]

@@pgr3290 Based on Steam Metrics, 3060, 4060, 4060ti, 1650, 3060ti are the top 5 most used dedicated cards.

[@Whreck11]

​​​@@notatechguy1209instead of wasting money on expensive games on limited ps store or bs psplus subscribtion you can just save money and build a high end pc and your solved. Typical playstation user spends way more money than a high end pc gamer over time.

[@Michael-ns3lj]

The issue is the price is actually good if you still own a ps4 the upgrade from the ps5 doesn't warrant it

[@rajigo6466]

Say what you want about the price of the PS5 Pro, but with the embarrassing state of pc optimization, an equivalent priced PC has no chance of running games as well, not even PCs that are more high end on paper. This has been my experience with a 3070 PC, which should blow the ps5 out of the water, and yet intensive games run smoothly on ps5, while my PC has been a stutter fest for years. I'm done with updating PCs. Playstation and Steam Deck from now on.

[@staskozak8118]

you play on low-mid settings on that pc?

[@rajigo6466]

So my options are to play in potato mode at 720p with a 3070, or shill 2000 euros to brute force shitty ports with a 4090. PC gaming has become so flexible

[@staskozak8118]

@@rajigo6466, ps5 game settings is low-mid settings on pc.

[@rajigo6466]

@@staskozak8118 indeed, so why shouldn't I aim for better settings than the ps5 with a 3070. But even when I just try ps5 equivalent settings, most of the times games struggle because of stutter or lack of vram. Keeping up with PC hardware is fine for those who have the patience for it, but saying that mid range PCs are a better value for gaming than even the base PS5 is naive and plainly misleading.

[@staskozak8118]

@@rajigo6466, i have 10gb 3080 (for $350) and 1440p. Maxed CP77 with RT - 100+ fps. Maxed Enshrouded - 110+ fps. Elden ring - 120+ fps. Forza - 144+ fps, Stalker GAMMA - 100+ fps. These values unattainable even for ps5 pro. I just doubt that 3070 give worse performance than base ps5.

[@herohunter81]

I wonder what Cyberpunk will look like on Pro. I don’t have a high end PC and I always wanted to see that game with quality Ray Tracing and good fps.

[@reelroyalevizion800]

Another one!!! Can’t wait for the 7th! It will only get better and better PSSR the new king of gaming

[@BryceCzirr-jz7ju]

Won't touch DLSS. Consoles playing catchup to PC, as usual.

[@nxnw3741]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mrdappernature8861]

Boy what....lol....you do know the 50 series gpu's are coming out in January. You will be back at square none.

[@reelroyalevizion800]

@@BryceCzirr-jz7ju that has been the case forever, but judging body language and actually listening to what’s being said that won’t be the case at all…seeming to me like anything 4070 and below is in trouble underestimating PSSR is where the internet got it way wrong. Sony has been tuning AI for years in their Mirrorless cameras and TVs… talk time is over you’ll see in 3 weeks.

[@reelroyalevizion800]

@@mrdappernature8861 naw boy, idgaf PC’s dominance is over you better grab you a 50 series cause with in two years they won’t optimize for nothing less…if you pay more than the console cost for a card just to stay ahead by a little then it’s only one little boy in this conversation… poor baby you supremacy is threatened. See that Off the Grid early access on consoles which was reserved for PC for decades? Yea things have changed we won’t need PC to beta test our games anymore here shortly.

[@MiniatureMorpheus]

Alex's face doing well to represent the salty AF PC players.

[@danloki78]

Lol 🤣🤣🤣

[@shayanali8771]

I am no fanboy of either platform. I own all of them. But the PS5 Pro is absolutely not worth the price it demands. You are better off with a PC, facts. Why not own both PS5 and a PC buddy?

[@danloki78]

@@shayanali8771 but over a matter of years on a pc with upgrading you will spend 5x what the pro costs. So your comment is a tad out of whack.

[@MiniatureMorpheus]

@@shayanali8771 Depends. If 4k DLSS at 60fps is your goal, you have the patience for setting optimization and pulling out a Keyboard/ using a laptop sure you can find something around $700-800. If you have no patience and want a PC like experience for your TV in a simple plug n play manner than the Pro is worth the $700. The base PS5 is fine but not optimal for many.

[@MiniatureMorpheus]

@@shayanali8771 Also if you have a large PS library and don't want to switch to PC and have to repurchase your library and lose your saves then PS5 Pro is worth it.

[@lordock52]

Maybe you can see something! But it does not justify the double price.

[@saintkupo]

They are easy to snag. I just pre ordered one from PS direct no issues two days ago. I’ll sell my OG PS5 to offset the cost.

[@latchdoorlatch996]

Done the same 👍

[@olsen3127]

Can’t wait for nov 7th

[@Cedjr88]

My setup is pro ready lets go! Best way to play console games.

[@mrn234]

Me who still wants Freesync that you can have a unlocked FPS mode on every monitor: :/

[@c.daubz.5386]

1:37 lack of optimization by developers cause this 💩

[@ThorStoneGaming]

Exactly.

[@TheSometimeAfter]

Imagine comparing it vs 'performance'

[@nc630]

PS5 Remastered

[@kr1sant]

Got my PS5 pro ordered and a 4tb SSD

[@Th0rneo]

I’m still honestly surprised at the amount of people that say there’s no difference, absolute nonsense. Sure, criticise the price or lack of disc drive, that’s more than fair to be disappointed about. But unless you’re absolutely fine with still playing in choppy 30fps in 2024 then you cannot sincerely say the Pro offers no difference. For those of us that see 60fps as what should be the standard this is a massive upgrade for most performance modes in games. Performance modes often are blurry or have other visual problems right now, the Pro ruling these out and allowing 60fps at brilliant visual fidelity is amazing.

[@TranCeFORM3R]

@@Th0rneo well the target audience doesn’t, but let’s talk anything released into next year the performance will hinder, and they will complain well.

[@TranCeFORM3R]

To die hard Monster hunter fans it is a system seller, when your game runs like shit on base console and the reviews are out, they will move to the pro immediately to pro.

[@TranCeFORM3R]

@@Th0rneo but it’s Capcom it’s very random how they declare ethics in terms of video games.

[@Snakedirge]

And you think that Ps5 pro Will run every game at 60 FPS? 😂

[@Th0rneo]

@@Snakedirge Show me any evidence that the vast majority won’t. Even optimisation disasters like DD2 have been shown running at 50 plus FPS in CPU intensive areas, something the Pro didn’t receive a major upgrade in. Also, the vast majority of games run at 60 on the base PS5. My criticism is that often the game looks blurry and bad as a result, something the Pro has already shown to improve, massively.

[@Southeastbricks1986-xn9yd]

Honestly those comparisons don’t look different enough to justify that price tag. Ps5 needs more games not new consoles tbh

[@digitalXP13]

I know PC is threatened, Alex's face at 0:43 he is so salty!

[@ThorStoneGaming]

He's showing disappointment he wasn't able to see it. You are making stuff up and the only one looking like a fanboy here.

[@JB_inks]

How is the pc threatened?

[@XZ-III]

And also... alex isnt the best representation for pc gamers but hes DF choice

[@dzdogg]

Dayum! I gotta have those Digital Foundry eyes to appreciate the subtle differences 😂

[@X4Piper]

It’s an extra $200 for a bigger gpu and 2TB ssd. The 2TB ssd is worth it alone. If you haven’t bought a ps5 yet it doesn’t make sense to buy the $500 one. When you’ll spend another $200+ just for a 2TB ssd.

[@cosmancho2959]

Not everyone needs that 2tb.

[@General_M]

@@cosmancho2959 no, but it’s a bit odd that Microsoft is selling the 2TB Series X for $100 less than the PS5 Pro. For one, storage isn’t that expensive and Microsoft uses standard (albeit an uncommon size) NVMe drives in their console. Which makes the PS5 Pro a weirdly better value prop.

[@PhilippeCorthout]

@@cosmancho2959 You'll be surprised how fast the base HD fills up...

[@c1979h]

@@PhilippeCorthout but you can more than double that base for only 70 bucks...

[@kieran9882]

£340 for the digital edition in the uk, which means it’s £360 more here

[@Cravendale98]

Im quite surprised they didnt add more RAM, 16GB of combined memory in 2024 is quite low.

[@lordspalse0062]

No upgrade in cpu, no upgrade in ram. I don't exactly understand what people are so excited about. I'll wait till the ps6. I'm perfectly happy with my 2.8 terabyte ps5.

[@nickochioneantony9288]

let's see the graph then.... a lot of pc users are also on mid range hardware. They majorly use 60 class gpu. It is the dev who stated "run on 60fps with upscalling & frame gen" who is destroying games on PC.... Because a lot of PC port are just straight garbage, devs always prioritize console release

[@chrisb7161]

@@lordspalse0062cpu is being boosted and the gpu will be equivalent to an RX7800XT with better RT (36 TFLOPS). Coming with 2TB SSD and Wi-Fi 7.0. It has over 100 gb/s more bandwidth than base ps5 and built on AMD RDNA 3.0 architecture. It’s a significant jump in performance. Not to mention PSSR is game changing literally. Not even a RTX 4090 can do native 4k 60FPS and ray tracing without DLSS so the fact the pro is doing PSSR 4k 60FPS with RT is seriously impressive.

[@垃圾谷歌又出bug]

​@@chrisb7161 lol a 7800xt are you dumb😂 they just stated it'll be a downclocked 7700xt which is about 3060ti level of performance😂😂and a 3700x cpu which is weak af

[@shepardcommander9960]

@@lordspalse0062they didn't upgrade the CPU in PS4 pro either other than a slight clock boost. These consoles are GPU starved because devs push the GPU way harder than the CPU.

[@dante19890]

Jumping from pro machine to pro machine seems to be the way to go in the future. Just skip the base units and wait for the crossgen to be over and get the pro

[@ghostschiphon]

Honestly.... That's not a bad idea. If I didn't own a base PS5 the pro price wouldn't bother me nearly as much

[@_sparrowhawk]

Gobbledegook gibberish. Here's an idea: Jump from PS4 to PS5 to PS6? What a life hack.

[@dante19890]

@@_sparrowhawk why, so you can play crossgen games for 4 years and then struggle with the actual nextgen games.

[@user-ws6nu4mq8k]

I had most fun playing the cross gen games with much better loading times and nice framerates instead of struggling with a PS4. Now I have almost nothing new to play. So many great ”next gen” games out there.

[@victorvargas9330]

@@dante19890 Until the big three decides on a pro max version...

[@kyosukeshidou1370]

We all WANT it , but Not ALL of us have the fancy to Drop 700 Dollars for a Graphics and Frame Increase , no .. The Price still DOES NOT Justify the value I wonder how did they UPGRADE PS4 to PS4 Pro with the SAME PRICE back in the day

[@tech6309]

We've had amazing upscaling/super resolution for years, people know how good it is, yet most are surprised about how good it is on the ps5 pro. Sony is just catching up to this technology. I'm not a console fanboy, haven't owned a ps since the ps2, but a ps5 pro for $700-900 is expected in todays world, and most certainly a good deal if all you want is a plug and play gaming device.

[@victorvargas9330]

@@tech6309 "Sony is just catching up to this technology." Hoo boy...

[@tech6309]

@@victorvargas9330 or "Sony is just bothering to release this technology now". All these companies delaying tech just to have something "new" to sell to people gets tiring :)

[@Tigerhearty]

What about VR performance and detail / quality ?

[@reklavier]

"We don't need more anger today, Alex." 👏

[@LARSTAKA-666]

I am so surprised they haven't showed the frame boost on older games. it is a selling point that they are not showing.

[@lordspalse0062]

Because it's nonexistent. They are trying to sell a feature the base ps5 does perfectly as if it is a special new thing only doable on the pro.

[@KingScotto.]

20 days until the beast is unleashed 😈

[@lapatabelluda2240]

The beast is out is Clark Xbox series x.

[@bmth2111]

FFVII and GT are not demanding games so I’m curious to see how the Pro performs on more demanding future titles.

[@kpeterst]

John, did you get any info about possible PSVR2 uplifts with the new PS5 Pro hardware? I’m thinking about framerate, draw distance or a resolution boost in GT7

[@thedcgaming5]

it should all be better

[@AKSBSU]

Frame rate is always the most important thing with VR, both high frame rate and consistent frame rate, and the Pro should help with those significantly.

[@yohnwong780]

​@@AKSBSU From my opinion, PSVR2 already has good framerate, it's just the texture, in game resolution and draw distance to be improved from Pro

[@AKSBSU]

@@yohnwong780 Resident Evil Village has been reported to run 60 fps with reprojection. That's not good or even adequate. I want 90 to 120 fps for a VR game, and I think the Pro could easily deliver that.

[@Massacretalitor]

I just wished someone could have tested GT7 on PSVR2. I'm really counting on the fact that the graphics get a big boost in terms of resolution and texture quality on Pro.

[@ApolloT-vp5dn]

For me, it's really quite simple. I will NEVER buy a console that abandons physical games.

[@benpaul8909]

If you get another opportunity to put questions to Sony, can you please ask about PSVR2 updates to GT7 on PS5 Pro? A lot of people are very interested in knowing if there will image quality improvements, or more importantly a native frame rate increase that removes the need for reprojection.

[@davidcupra4913]

I can’t understand there not even mentioning it like it doesn’t exist wtf like 😅

[@ThwipThwipBoom]

My PS5 Pro can't arrive soon enough! Games are going to look soooo amazing on my 4K OLED flatscreen.

[@zenyousapprentice3732]

bot

[@TheSometimeAfter]

Insane price for such a ridiculously small gain

[@guardianali]

The fact is that RT reflections that this channel is obsessed with is only really 'seen' when you are intentionally looking for it. Like a review youtube channel or you stop in game for the first boot up to go 'ooh ahh'. But in reality most games are moving so fast, and your attention is to what your doing and the game play, that all that detail is relgated to your side or peripheral view where the difference between RT and 'fake' lighting and reflections are not noticed at all. So you are getting better graphics that you dont actually see in exchange for worse performance.

[@O2TG]

Found the AMD fanboy 🤡

[@guardianali]

@@O2TG I actually have a 4090 so I am actually talking from experience.

[@Bulletproof_Van]

Thats how I play games from 6 Meter on an TV 85 Inch with 200% Zoom.

[@elyssa.c90]

Whoever says that there's no visible difference between the consoles, must clearly be suffering from some kind of visual impairment. The amount of copium in the commentary section ever since the Pro's announcement is unreal. Besides, a PC graphics card alone that can do what the Pro does, will easily set you back 700 quid. So, what exactly is everyone complaining about here?

[@GiBMan70]

You hit the nail on the head. They cant even see for all the copium in their veins to try and get through the next few years

[@c1979h]

You can get a Nvidia 3080 for 350 and up on the PC, the PS5 Pro aint even on that level. Save your money, if you already got one. go buy a GPU for your PC and enjoy both worlds or all three.

[@Luke973T]

​@@c1979h proof that the pro isn't on the level of a 3080? And in what aspects?

[@ricklubbers1526]

Im seeing the visual difference alright. I see no disc drive and no vertical stand. Keep accepting corporate bullshit.

[@Luke973T]

@ricklubbers1526 good for me. Don't need a stand and I haven't used discs in over 10 years. If they were included then the ssd would probably be 1tb instead of 2.

[@Old-Boy_BEbop]

the PS5 Pro slaps so hard that the PS5 standard has been slapped down to PS4 naming.

[@what-di3vb]

i don’t understand why people are saying it’s a 200 dollar upgrade. it’s a 300 dollar upgrade (250 technically) compared to the digital edition. yes that isn’t a stark difference but we have to realize this is almost a 300 dollar upgrade. they’re not giving us an extra tb, 40% better performance and PSSR for 200. that’s what makes this sell that much tougher.

[@bishopsmith3796]

Explain the iPhone. How about a big Mac? About 10 dollars for a big mac today. Years ago it was 2 for $5. They didn't add anything new to it but it's price has trippled. The new pc graphics cards alone are more than a console

[@what-di3vb]

@@bishopsmith3796 see but the issue is that i agree. i’m not saying i don’t see your point but this is an invalid argument because playstation is currently in a semi apple-like position. apple is able to lack behind in tech and other ways but make up for it through an ecosystem and high sales. sony currently has a minimal console “war” currently as it has outsold xbox substantially. they are much less inclined to give you a cheaper box this time. this has given us a 700 (960 canadian) dollar box. is it inflation? also with the big mac it sells for about 7 dollars total including tax here. on the app they want you to use, they give you a great 4 dollar per 1 deal. do you understand why your argument has flaws? also why are we talking about graphic cards? i never said i saw this as a bad console or said that it was a bad ask compared to graphics cards. this is simply a much tougher sale compared to the ps4 pro. yes we are in different times but it doesn’t mean we can’t innovate.

[@bishopsmith3796]

@@what-di3vb Dude you are " talking loud and not saying anything. " The ps5 pro isn't technically behind. Of course with no competition a company gets lazy and overcharge , but that is America's capitalistic economy. Regardless the vast majority of console gamers chose Playstation 5 over the competition, so whatever you think you can say, doesn't matter. The majority have spoken. They don't lack behind console on the market so explain. What console is more technologically advanced?

[@9.v.obeatz146]

Are we sure it’s not a placebo effect because it’s strange I don’t remember games being blurry or not crisp on ps5

[@mrpotch]

You need to get your eyes checked

[@kuku7732]

It’s FF Rebirth in performance mode specifically

[@cronoesify]

Alex hasnt seen the pro because he is a notorious hater of consoles.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

He is also disingenuous and misleading when it comes to the long term performance of INDIVIDUAL pc components, and how they age like milk...

[@GiBMan70]

​@@Gustaviustwinkelberryyep i wish they'd replace him with that nxgamer dude, much better knowledge as well as attitude

[@gamzillio]

Who isn't?

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

@@gamzillio spotted the fanboy

[@johnnyringo35]

Uhm. they age just fine if you buy mid to high end.

[@AaronWOfficial]

All I am seeing is less blurry for around double the price. No actual increase in graphical quality. And all that is, is ditching FSR for something closer to DLSS. The upscaling isn't as bad = looks less blurry. If I was paying almost double for hardware, I would expect better textures, lighting and reflections.

[@TickfordGhia]

Hey DF team. Can you do remove the xbox hater ryan miller from this channel. The kid aint normal.

[@juanrodriguezl4252]

Its me or he was saying PS4?

[@SimonStewart75]

Exactly what it's Alex's deal? Do consoles harm his life in some way? His face is constantly tripping him in this video. When he says "The pro would be the better place to play" he looked like he was going to cry! Then going on about the PRICE of the pro. Yeah, because gaming PCs are dime a dozen.

[@arturiaarthus8367]

to understand him, you'd have to understand engines and hardware as well as he does, or at least have the base understanding of it. the PS5 Pro is hardly an upgrade at all, it's just that the base PS5 is quite outdated. both rely on upscalers but different ones, you just get the superior upscaler with the Pro on supported games (not all games, obviously). it's so severely limited in terms of what kind of improvements you'll be seeing on a Pro compared to the base PS5, that comparing to DLSS quality in x4 zoom would make the Pro look like an xbox series s. of course, you don't get it. console fanboys are disgusting.

[@PumKnH3D]

@arturiaarthus8367 hardly an upgrade, yet we have John here from DF saying it's a game changer? Who do I trust? 🤔

[@GiBMan70]

​@@arturiaarthus8367and yet he's supposed to be a hardware reviewer not a pcmr clown

[@gamzillio]

It IS compared to consoles, and at the same time gives you autonomy, not just playing games and watching movies on blu-ray. And also paying for the online somehow lol. Just don't be so sensitive, you're a grown up man.

[@arturiaarthus8367]

@@PumKnH3D to someone who has been forced to endure FSR performance at 720p, it's going to be a world of difference between performance modes.

[@Jagm177-f9o]

I pre-ordered it mainly to not pay scalpers again if I decided to get it sometime after launch, it happened to me with the original PS5, I didn't pre-order when I could then stock disappeared and I had to pay almost double the price even one year after.

[@MJ1931.]

I love how much this console had angered the PC geeks, the toxicity off them is so funny.

[@victorvargas9330]

@@MJ1931. That "anger" comes from a place of pro-consumerism. PC "geeks" want the best bang for the buck. They gatekeep innovation and oversee competition. Ponies, Xbots, and Nintendorks are just like any other radical political group, only they just consume product and get excited for next product. It's not toxic to not want you to scam yourself when there are better alternative options elsewhere. If anything, PC gamers will ALWAYS have the last laugh.

[@victorvargas9330]

@@MJ1931.That "anger" comes from a place of pro-consumerism. PC "geeks" want the best bang for the buck. They gatekeep innovation and oversee competition. Ponies, Xbots, and Nintendorks are just like any other pxlxtxcxl cxlt, only they just consume product and get excited for next product. It's not toxic to not want you to scam yourself when there are better alternative options elsewhere.

[@tristman8413]

They're in full defense mode 😂

[@superspecky4eyes]

​@@victorvargas9330A Elitist PC gamer comment if ever I read one. "Everyone is stupid and dumb apart from me"

[@victorvargas9330]

@@honestrob I never claimed "superiority" nor am I a "PC fan" since I also play on PS5, XSX, and Switch. Now you're yapping like someone with TDS, confirming my observations of pxlxtxcxl cxlt behavior in the gaming community; hence, your "pc master race" comment. No is stopping you from enjoying the PS5 Pro cept yourself, but you just can't realistically silence other people from criticizing products...how silly of you!

[@mesostinky72]

If you had a PS4 PRO imho you probably could’ve totally sat out the PS5 generation with the exception of a couple of blockbusters. I don’t think that could’ve even remotely have been said for the PS4 generation aka just ignoring it. This whole game development/release cycle is a huge bummer.

[@wben7833]

LMFAO what? I've had my PS5 since launch and only play 60 fps games. PS4 pro didn't have 60 fps games.

[@shepardcommander9960]

@@wben7833ps4 pro did have 60 fps games. Uncharted collection and tlou remastered and tlou 2 got a 60 fps patch. There's tons of other games. That was the entire point of the PS4 pro when it came out.

[@danielditlev]

"We don't need more anger today, Alex".. Couldn't agree more.

[@mavkajutsu]

Wait did he go on a rant on twitter? I can understand his anger towards developers releasing unfinished pc ports or just not being well optimized for our $1000-$2000 PCs. These ports with stutter just makes me want to switch to a PS5 Pro

[@danielditlev]

@@mavkajutsu watch the video. It will give you the context you ask for. Regarding anger.. let go of it. There is plenty going around.