Something Looks Off With Metal Gear Solid Delta Snake Eater

[@jorgegodoy6824]

Feels like those kind of realistic examples of classic videogames made by fans, and I mean by that souless, without art direction

[@h0laPlaneta]

perfect description

[@JoeMiller85]

Spot on

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

even know it really just looks like a stock recreation of snake eater, everything is so bland and blurry looking, why is everything so grainy too

[@Nu_Merick]

this is why artstyle will always transcend merely looking "realistic". games that have a distinctive artsyle will stand out and even stand the test of time through the years.

[@ashishbarthwal6961]

Elden Ring will be a slap on the face for such photorealism-chasing AAA games

[@mmmmmmm3246]

Yet when games stylize their games they are compared to Fortnite.

[@Imetral0]

@@mmmmmmm3246 that's usually because those ppl are actually ripping the soft Disney/Fortnite character design style off. there's plenty of fantastic stylized art direction out there in games rn that don't go in that direction.

[@spacemultimedia2979]

Except the gameplay is absolute garbage in every mgs except for 5.

[@Imetral0]

@@spacemultimedia2979 dated ≠ bad

[@NothingHereForYou]

MGS2/3 is still a great example of just everything good with games. It has long cinematic cutscenes, but they are all skippable getting you right back to gameplay The graphics are stylized yet still impressive for its time which also allowed it to run better than most and hold up over the years better than most Tons of interesting in depth mechanics with the environment. We need more games to look at these for inspiration

[@Lord_of_Dread]

I don't think the graphics need to be stylised; Kojima was trying to make it as realistic as possible with the hardware that was available at the time. But there was an art direction, including colour grading, that was ingrained it its visual identity. I think we can have near photorealism while still having less "realistic" tweaks for visual flare, just as they do in cinema, which is what Kojima gets a lot of inspiration from anyway.

[@RagingUtai]

The games at the time were visually realistic stunning. Probably the best graphics for it's time when released. Both mgs2 and 3.

[@TheMrCHELL]

Bad thing is that you can't pause these cutscenes and no auto save. Imagine having to take a dump or something and still having a half an hour cutsne ahead.

[@elliottvantonder5477]

MGS3 is straight-up a cartoon. Without the detailed texture painting, stylised proportions, bespoke lighting and shader effects, the game's blocky design and theatrical physical performances in and out of cutscenes are gonna look goofy af. Like some uncanny asset-flip.

[@chatomaltes2492]

I've said this more than once, but some of the wackier parts of MGS3 are straight up Jojo without stands and I love the game *because* of it.

[@SotNist]

I don't believe it's wise to induce a sepia tone, but rather to grade color in a cinematic temperature, so that when tendered in warm color space it will be pitch perfect rather than overly yellowed by compounding the warm / yellow aspects of both the game and the display. What would be wise, for the sake of placating people, would be to offer a very good suite of optional filters the way Bluepoint does in Shadow of the Colossus and Demon's Souls.

[@DallasRabot]

The aim should not be to be as realistic as possible. Even films have art directors and colorists. Stanley Kubrick once said: “You’re not trying to capture reality. You’re trying to capture a photograph of reality.” A solution would be to look at what Kojima did with MGS5’s environments and models.

[@megabeetlejuicer96]

it was jack nicholson who said that btw, nerd emoji

[@antwango]

case in point KAZ of PD also said this of GT, its his clean look of reality etc.... we can see from modern engines that reality or realism is easy or whats the difficult word... its so easy to now just grab a premade asset and duplicate it in whatever.... UE5 etc thats why you can tell from the really AAA toptier Sony / R* theres a massive drop off to EA, UBI type ''AAA'' where its an illusion and you know theyve masked realism and just done the bare minimum and have tried to pul the wool over your eyes with marketing.... the new avatar game...... NOT impressed visuslly, horizon1 on ps4 looks better! you can tell theyre trying to dazzle with flora and fauna, again horizon looks ART DIRECTED, there is art direction in these realistic games too..... we ALL may think GT and KAZ is in pursuit of realism.... yes he is, but people may not know Kaz is a photographer and takes pictures and i think also a cinematographer hence the still industry leading replays!!! kaz is in pursuit of a particular style of realism and it is art directed...... just compare to ANY forza... heck even GT1 in replays still captures the imagination and still manages to fool you into thinking theyre real cars driving round a slightly pixelated world its the lighting in GT that noone has managed to capture which when added to the replays it all hans of the core meticulous detailing in the cars and hard surface modeling.... noone can say forza or even pc powered project cars 2 looked LIKE close to GT eventhough ALL modeled cars should really look the same.... again Kaz is obsessed with lenses and apertures and f stops and exposures and quality of lighting.... when you talk about cars and how you view them like youre an architecture or art student then you know they view and treat their passion differently to x car game maker just wants to put out competing product with cars and tracks to eat into and capture audience and generate revenue stream after audience captured.... the difference in SONY and the rest is this slight distinction...... due care and diligence, attention to a specific detsil to differentiate to car game a b c, or open world abc etc and for connoiseurs yes you can taste the difference in steak v maccy ds..... sony is on a different level..... yes i include xbx in the maccy ds convo.. xbx cant even touch EA or ubi says alot..... konami is just sprinkling fresh garnish over 2 week old steak and reheating is what theyre doing to MGS!! its an insult to MGS fans that they actually want on side!!!

[@DD-fs9xt]

MGS V was trying to be as realistic as possible, though?

[@Bigdaddymittens]

Tf are you talking about you dork. Mgs 5 was literally going for photo realism. If you watch the gdc presentation on the fox engine, Kojima literally stated what his priorities were when creating it. This looks like something that his team would have worked on. It looks like the fox engine mgs 3 pachinko demo. Love how yall bitch and moan about how MGS3 delta looks, but praise other stuff like resident evil for going for photo realism.

[@MetalArcade]

I wouldn't say that MGSV looks stylized at all, he has always tried to push graphics to their limits, I think when people say PS2 games look stylized, it's really the technical limitations of the time. When I think stylized PS2 games I think Mark of Kri and Jak + Daxter etc. I don't think Kojima ever meant for MGS2/ 3 to be stylized, but within the confines of the PS2 nothing could look exactly photo real with texture, polygon, lighting limitations. Honestly I would say MGS2 Tanker opening is one of the most photoreal things on PS2.

[@cornbreadreturns296]

7:00 thank you Rich. 100% correct. Can’t believe what they did to the Master collection

[@townescentury]

It moves nothing like the original Metal Gear Solid 3, it looks like they lifted the control system from V.

[@Glowbox3D]

I said this on the other video you guys published--and I love that you echo this--art direction! Live action films don't all look same-y. Set decoration, art direction , cinematography, color grade, texturing...it's the developers call no matter what engine.

[@koolersdomain3905]

The crouch walking and how certain things move makes me think it's based off of MGSV a bit but with MGS3. I think it looks great in its own right but it is less stylized than the original, but I don't mind that much personally. The games about camo and blending in in the jungle and stuff so I think that can visually benefit a lot from realism

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

it should have based itself of mgs 4 instead of mgs v in my opinion, mgs 4 is more of a stealth game then mgs v due to it's methodical style of gameplay and animations

[@koolersdomain3905]

@@MGrey-qb5xz I disagree, I think MGSV is a way better stealth game to base delta off of. slower movement does not = better, and plus all the systems, AI and controls in V are much more tailored to a MGS3 remake than I think 4s are. Plus it looks like they've slowed the movement down a bit to match old MGS3 anyways. I think they made the right move overall.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

@@koolersdomain3905 4 is basically a revamped mgs 3, not sure what else to say but that a modern mgs 4 type system would have worked better in a tight environment which mgs v doesn't manage well and infact needs open spaces to adequately function

[@megazine]

It’s confirmed on Twitter. Same animation form MGS:V

[@koolersdomain3905]

@@MGrey-qb5xz I still disagree, MGS4's battle-stealth type thing is way different beast than MGS3 regular stealth. and yeah MGSV mainly has open spaces but it works well in the more confined spaces it has, if you consider Ground Zeroes. Plus with MGS4, yes technically it's closer to MGS3 in terms of its graphics and engine, but that's one thing that they really need to update the most (besides the controls). I get where you're coming from but idk I just can't see it being based off of MGS4 working out as well.

[@rcadenow7543]

it looks for now like a student 3d concept. its need a lot of work on animations, feel and of course frame rates.

[@osricen]

Looks like an Unreal 5 demo. There are tons of other ones out there that blow this "Delta" thing out of the water. Knowing how Konami handled the Master Collection, I expect nothing but disappointment from this one. They will recycle everything they can, add little (and that little will be the worst part) and finally deliver a half-assed product that will sell "enough" because people eat anything nowadays.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

finally common sense and not shill shit

[@joseaca1010]

The color palette comment is very true, tselinoyarsk is obviously green, the granin research facility is greyish, the cave is obviously pitch black and Tha Pain arena introduces some blue into the scene, the mountains are brown, the inside of grozny graj is a different tone of brown, like beige There was some clear artistic direction in the game, Konami is INCAPABLE of replicating that because they bled all their talent away during the past 8-10 years

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

tone deaf people are working on this remake, infact the remake is useless. it's just made to to look different which means no artistic vision, seriously tell me, why we need this?

[@rocketpunchgo1]

It's because it isn't in the Fox Engine.

[@RoelVanderVeken]

They should have stuck with the FOX engine, it did an amazing job with MGS5, and they probably had some assets ready to be incorporated in this remake.

[@conkerchimera]

I think MGS3 is inspired by 60s/70s bond/spy movies so that's that color grading your seeing! and it seems to be missing that original inspiration. Also the animations seem to be just modified MGSV animations. I'm worried they are gonna keep the level layouts the same which would ruin the pace of the game considering the game play seems very different and modern like MGSV. After the recent Master Collection I have low expectations for this remake. You cant just remake the game play and graphics and expect it to be a beloved remake... look at the RE4/RE2 remakes they have the spirit of the original but are very different level design based on the updated game play.

[@darkcoeficient]

I love how they say everything they are saying from a video that says "pre-alpha footage".

[@ShadyPlatinum777]

Exactly 😂

[@sooperheep]

The fixed camera and angle was a huge part of the original, they should at least add an option for that

[@MrSpineduke]

The recycled animation from MGS5 is partly what throws me off and gives it a "we put assets into UE5", and the other is the lack of color grading. Nailed it with the "Mario in UE" comment, that's exactly what I get as well. And outside of the visuals, they're also recycling all the voicework from the original PS2 game. I'm expecting horrible things when it comes to lip synced cutscenes. Definitely a disaster in the making, but people bought zombie MGS and they've taught Konami that they'll pay for anything.

[@phatmillips]

snakes face is 100% zombie-like

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

jesus ikr

[@mgiebus1869]

Nail on the head with that master collection comment

[@funkysloth2902]

MGS Delta looks freakin' sweet to me!

[@MetalArcade]

yeah this is really splitting hairs IMO. As long as it actually looks like this at release I'm more than happy, everyone kept saying they wanted a remake in the style of the pachinko machine CG, now they've got it and want things to be more stylized for some reason. No one is ever happy

[@SWBGPGMG]

This "offness" to me come from the fact that it looks just soulless it's like "we pass mgs3 through a UE5 converter and that-s it".

[@0x8badbeef]

It looks like all it got is new skins. The mechanics remained unchanged. That's why it looks weird. Our eyes expect the mechanics to jive with the more advance graphics.

[@julien2231]

Its not true. You didnt watch the comparison videos huh? They are using the mgs5 animations. You can see for exemple when he goes prone he keeps the momentum and even when going against a wall. All is more natural.

[@AVWUVU]

They added crouch walking which was not in the original. That's a major gameplay change already.

[@deathtrooper2048]

​@@AVWUVUThat was in the 3ds demake

[@0x8badbeef]

@@julien2231 it still looks janky.

[@videogameobsession]

Who is the main guy in Snake Eater Delta.. Because it sure doesn't look anything like Solid Snake!

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

lol ikr, looks like some generic commando man

[@n0vi]

I just wish they used Fox Engine and recreated the pachislot visuals. That's all they had to do. Recreate the engine and gameplay around the existing tech and graphics tech in whatever iteration of fox engine they're at.

[@RyanLBC]

i'd just be happy if they use the same graphics engine they used in mgs5 and call it a day.

[@TheeThunderGod]

Alex says "yellowww" 5 times in 20 seconds or less

[@cidiracing7481]

I love MGS3 and I'm more than happy for the remake to get rid of the colour filter. Obviously the aim with the original one was to go with this cold war era camera colouring, but I don't miss all the brown/yellow colour filters from the late PS2 and early PS3 era. On a CRT it's also not as jarring as it is on a modern HRD 2k/4k monitor/TV. AC Mirage has the AC1 colour filter and the colour grading worked nicely for AC1, but for a modern game with the much more detailed textures it just doesn't work as well. Especially not if you play it first without the filter and see how colourful the game is. I'm happy for remakes to go their own way in presentation.

[@Marko-ij4vy]

Yeah I hated those color filters. Imo mgs2 aged the best when it comes to older mgs games because it actually looked like it had normal colors. Even mgs4 which was graphically better had that weird gray/orange filter which only made it look like it lacks colors. I still prefer mgs2 visuals over mgs4 even though mgs4 looks better graphically.

[@cidiracing7481]

@@Marko-ij4vy Well MGS2 also had some choices that didn't age that well. Like that slowmo/motion blur effect on the tanker section. MGS4 had a very desaturated colour grading yeah. Not the biggest fan of that colour grading. I still prefer the presentation from MGS1 that was mostly neutral colour grading outside of select sections like the Psycho Mantis one that hsd a heavy green colour grading. The rest was environmentally very fitting like the more blue for the freezer section or the redish one for the smelting section. Obviously textures, models, etc. all aged poorly since it was on PS1 and that horrible texture warping from PS1. I do hope they remake that game. The section of MGS4 whwre you are back on the island are amazing. Generally a lot of collur grading artistic choices don't hold up well over time. Unlike artistic choices like cell shading for games like Borderlands or Silent Hill using the fog because the console couldn't render far into the distance, so they put the fog there to hid the pop in.

[@samray3461]

There's a generic animation bob applied to human and animal characters. Check it - the speed and distance are identical

[@ZachHixsonTutorials]

Limitations and quirks of the specific tech used in games has always impacted the art style of those games in one way or another. I think we're transitioning away from that in AAA games, where now art style is going to be differentiated less based on the tech that's used, and more on the creative art direction of the designers. Not so different than movies. Every live-action movie is shot using the same lighting and physics system that earth provides, but different cinematographers, directors, and editors still manage to make their films look unique based on their creative direction.

[@JoeMiller85]

I'm so happy that they said everything I've been feeling about this "tech demo". In the end, it just feels like a fan made tech demo, mostly everything feels like stock.

[@CerealKiller2]

It's obviously not going to be anything like the original considering Kojima's relationship with Konami. If they have any questions about how the game should look they're probably not able to ask him.

[@DasAusfahrt]

You know what really grinds my gears of war

[@victorraye57]

Me personally, I Love How It Looks and I hope they don't change it...

[@wausjackbauer128]

It's still pre Alpha so the final release will probably look different. It's probably coming out Q4 2024 so makes sense why it looks like a tech demo

[@melojuketv318]

Theyve had some amazing CG movie reels, why not just go with that style? Remember the pachinko machines?

[@MetalArcade]

This looks exactly like the pachinko machine version to me

[@doclouis4236]

If you think that yellow filter from the original MGS3 is a distinct art style, then I question what you view as "generically realistic" since most MGS games have the same semi "realistic" art style.

[@quietlightning4063]

A lot of synchronization has to happen within an acceptable range to be good enough for the dopamine rush! ❤

[@Alex_Logan22]

I'm a diehard fan, its the game that literally changed my world view, my all time favorite game that I've played tons of times, and I think this looks great, I don't know what you guys are smoking. Creative decisions are made to overcome limitations, but it was always clear what the intent of MGS3's jungles were, and they're absolutely going for that intent.

[@DarwinBoys1]

If you a diehard fan, shouldn’t you NOT support the people who fired Kojima, and also I remind you that thanks to those same people, we never had a proper mgs5 finished, with the proper cinematic end. I will never buy any rubbish game they do and continue to support Kojima with buying his new games even if their not MGS ones…

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@DarwinBoys1 Support the good moves you want to support and not the bad ones you don't, irrespective of any company. Konami milked Metal Gear even worse while Kojima was still there, it makes no difference. If they see stuff like Survive doing poorly while Delta does great, than we did our jobs. If they want to make more trash like Survive than I won't be supporting, but a MGS3 remake is right up my wheel house and the Delta moniker is 100% a Kojima move he would've pulled as well. The narrative experience of MGSV is also as Kojima intended, do more research, people just didn't like or agree with it but the narrative itself was not on Konami. Trust me I hate Konami but you gotta know what to hate.

[@worlds_greatest_detective6667]

⁠@@DarwinBoys1Kojima also fired Hayter and you supported the MGS series right? Automatically makes ur point hypocritical and irrelevant. People buy good products based on facts , not feelings.

[@DarwinBoys1]

@@worlds_greatest_detective6667 he never fired Hayter mate

[@DarwinBoys1]

@@worlds_greatest_detective6667 and MGS is the creation of Kojima, not hayter. If kojima have to fire some people (which he didn’t in the case of Hayter) well he has too. I understand Konami needed to put out the game on a money perspective but F ruining a saga like this I’ll never accept it…

[@GuyOnAChair]

Snake's face is lacking. They need a human scan, the environment is photoreal, the body quite detailed but the recycled animations paired with a stylized face slapped atop said body looks janky.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

no one is listening to this apparently, it's like they are pretending previous games don't exist

[@GuyOnAChair]

@@MGrey-qb5xz Hm?

[@XDapologist]

Is literally the "this will be graphics in year ... " meme

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

It was baffling to me how many people took "in-engine" to mean "gameplay". Prepare for disappointment

[@GuyManley]

Streets of Rage 4 looked real bad before they added in the dynamic lighting. That first trailer had us all scared but they really nailed the feel and had an excellent and beautiful product by the time it came out.

[@Darkwatch2002]

At least it doesn't look like the Silent Hill 2 Remake

[@overwatch761]

The original MGS 3 only looks the way it does because that is the PS2 aesthetic - all games that pushed it hard had that 'different to Dreamcast but clearly not as good graphics as GCN/Xbox exclusives' look all PS2 games had.

[@capoeragames2081]

to me it's more about the environments trying to be super realistic whilst being original to the game, the animation aswell, it looks alright on the ps2 game, but here it does look odd and maybe yeah, putting some yellow post fx would help to bring some of that atmosphere back, but we'll have to wait and see a propper gameplay, these kind of videos don't give justice to how the game really looks when fully in control, i'm still hyped for it, the original game will always be there to play if this isn't up to my taste.

[@julien2231]

Animations are from mgs5 dude they are way more smooth. Im disapointed df didnt cover this tbh

[@cikame]

I can imagine the original MGS3 as part of its development has an immense "style guide", like a rulebook of how things look, what do enemies look like, gadgets, vehicles, camo, buildings, vegetation, characters, basically everything to build the visual identity of the game, but when you're remaking something you already have something to work from... you're basically copying someone's homework, it is by its very nature a derivative work. In the case of something like RE4 remake it's clear they started from scratch using the original as the influence, but MGSD seems to just be a graphics update, the levels appear to be the same and it was confirmed they're reusing the dialogue, so we're reusing content and mixing it with freshly generated assets from a team that, no offense to them, are not the legendary developers of those original PS2 games, it's like a graphics mod people always complain that the modder is messing with the original feel of the game. Two examples of nailing the original feel, RE4HD, the devs went to extreme lengths to preserve the original visual style of the game, and Black Mesa, a total remake from scratch but insanely faithful to the source material and its sequels.

[@gearoidoconnell5729]

Maybe something like Diablo 2 runs the old game engine in the background.

[@cikame]

@@gearoidoconnell5729 I haven't looked at the remaster of Diablo 2 too much but yes since you can toggle graphics back and forth i imagine it's very faithful, not like Diablo 3 where the more colourful Blizzard influences started slipping in losing the Diablo feel. I'm very interested to see what the Max Payne remake looks like, it's such a product of its time and recapturing that magic is likely impossible unless they throw all of their heart into it, beloved classics aren't just polygons they also have souls.

[@bluesthemoose]

The most jarring to me is Snake’s FACE: he absolutely does not look like Snake. Just some generic gruffly White dude.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

lol exactly, the metal gear sub reddit just refuses to knowledge it too and straight up lie out of their teeth that it looks anything like snake

[@asmodeusml]

Honestly, it feels like Alex doesn't know the series all too well. The snappy animation style has been adopted into the series with somewhat realistic looking graphics already: just look at MGS4 and MGS5. Neither does he realize that the core of the issues fans have with this trailer has nothing to do with the infamous "piss" filter.

[@dr.loomis4221]

This dev team needs to have the transparency that EA Motive gave us with the Dead Space Remake development.

[@sillkthashocker]

Two words dawg "pre-alpha footage"

[@CerealBox64]

I listen to Digital Foundry and I feel sane. I don't feel like I'm just being a miserable old git 😂

[@tvsonicserbia5140]

The trailer is obviously something very cobbled together with little actual gane there to drum up hype.

[@AP90x]

Its just a vertical slice

[@alirahman2838]

at frame 4.14, it looks as though their is no high frequency normal map on snakes clothing, or maybe their is but it is tiled to high. also in my opinion the naked snake model looks to muscular and the face doesn't look as good as what was in the first trailer but maybe this is due to the fact that he is not wearing his bandanna yet. i am a 3d character artist working in games and would absolutely loooooooooove to work on this project :)

[@megazine]

I’m surprised they didn’t catch this. They are using the same animations from MGS:V. Same assets.

[@snook155]

God rich's expression on the thumbnail is priceless lol

[@rogeliovazquez9422]

Is it just me or in some sequences it seems you’re just looking at an Uncharted game just with a Snake costume? Huge MGS fan since the 90s, this one just feels a bit odd.

[@VogtTD]

I have no problem with the animations. Many were ported from V with tweaks and others are recreations of OG Snake Eater animations. What's the problem?

[@Kriss_ch.]

For some reason what they've shown of Delta doesn't look that different to me. The Demon's Souls remake for example was super obviously a different direction, which I personally couldn't stand. What they've shown here didn't stand out to me as replacing the art direction in the same way. If all it takes is turning up the yellow on my tv that's not a big problem lol. I reserve my right to change my mind when we see more faces and see they're obviously mocapping real humans rather than basing it on Yoji Shinkawa designs though, lol. It's probably gonna be like the difference between Devil May cry 3, which very accurately captured Daigo Ikeno's concept art, and Devil May Cry 5, where it very obviously doesn't and is just modeled on real people. Not to throw any shade on the models they captured or anything. There's just a difference between doing characters based on artwork and characters based on face scanning or whatever they're doing. You can already see that issue if you look at the Pachinko version of mgs3 - it's not just color stuff, it's the style of the characters.

[@craigslisp8904]

Anyone else get the impression that they don't really like that Dach dude?

[@N.i.E.M.O]

It's Konami. They had to mess it up somehow.

[@terryhaircastle5702]

I'm definitely getting old. When I was younger, Konami had an incredible reputation

[@theconsolekiller7113]

Looks impressive but definately looks like a different style. More like a UE5 tech demo. One thing that alot of these remakes have been missing is the original soundtracks, even if they modified those that would be cool. The music was a big part of the vibe in these games as well. They also eliminated the codec convos which was part of the whole feel too, for MGS5. RE 4 Remake, as an example, was mostly awesome but it was still missing most of that original vibe, soundtrack and it felt a little more like a bunch of assets put together. Hard to identify exactly what it was, but alot of these remakes lose thier original vibe.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

they removed codecs? should have based their gameplay off mgs 4 then

[@theconsolekiller7113]

Hopefully they wont remove them for this MGS3 Remake. I havent heard any details on that yet. What I was referring to was MGS5 not having the codecs anymore. Maybe they wouldve gotten in the way for an open world game, but it definately felt like part of that vibe was missing to me. Really enjoyed MGS5 but it felt like a different game.@@MGrey-qb5xz

[@TheHorrorExperiment]

I have zero faith in Konami, I think they are going to fall before they rise. The only thing they did right was the Castlevania collections they released in the past few years. They dropped the ball on MGS collection, the Silent Hill 2 remake will most likely be changed for the "Modern Audience". Konami is just a shell of its former self

[@spinymold]

Demons souls remake was perfection. If Konami can come close I’ll gobble this up on release day. But, I will be waiting for reviews.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

it really wasn't , they just made dks 3 but with demon souls plot

[@Theottselmaster]

NEVER take trailers as fact. Not after Aliens CM.

[@Elratauru]

I think the issue is that they are doing a remake but keeping all these old "quirks" (if you could call them) about Metal Gear being designed as an MSX2 game, stiff movement, game-y areas (defined by clear defined bounds), game-y enemies (that react to certain stimuli only, which are gameplay aspects). And it feels it's gonna be exactly the same game but running on a prettier engine. It feels like it's stuck to the past if you compare it to the Resident Evil remakes by Capcom for example, which were made from the ground up based off the previous games, we knew the areas, we knew the boss fights, we knew the plot, but Capcom added so much more, new interactions, new character traits, new puzzles even, and new gameplay that improved on the old fixed-camera gameplay. Instead, this MGS remake seems like a budget project, made to cash-in on the franchise popularity by exploiting a small studio that wanna get their name out there by doing cool crap.

[@Marko-ij4vy]

Still waiting how the facial expressions and lip sync will look like. I have a bad feeling they will look stiff/soulless.

[@N.i.E.M.O]

Will probably be the same as they were on PS2, which was serviceable back then but would just be atrocious-looking by today's standards. Hopefully they at are at least on part with MGSV, but I'm not holding my breathe. What we've seen so far of gameplay indicates that's they're still reusing most (or all) of the original stiff PS2-era animations (with a few from the 3DS update thrown in there, like the crouch-walking animation).

[@Marko-ij4vy]

@@N.i.E.M.O It actually looks like the walk/crouch/crawl animation is taken from mgs5 because the transition between them looks much smoother compare to original.

[@kaptenteo]

Whoa! I didn't expect it to look this... weird. Almost ugly.

[@TremelJackson]

Hopefully it's better then TPP, that game never got a complete story with the extra map location they removed before launch

[@icantaim4sht836]

Knowing how lazy Konami is, they probably just took the same game and slapped new graphics on it.

[@Dangerhayd]

Konami can never win with this remake. If they change to much people will complain and if they don’t change enough people will complain. These guys are upset it doesn’t feel like the look of the original mgs3 yet if it did have that they’d complain to Konami for not putting enough effort in.

[@riazuddin4920]

People go on about graphics way too much. The game will mostly look great, I'm sure of it. The more important thing is, can they make it an actual remake liek RE2, RE4 or even Shadow of the Colossus as examples of great remakes which kept the spirit of the original games while improving to modern standards for certain aspects, especially in terms of control for RE2.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

but it looks ugly style and presentation wise

[@CerealKiller2]

They've completely lost the art direction and the cartoonishness of the original. It feels completely lifeless.

[@markwheeler4245]

We talk about raw power realistic graphics alot but imo artstyle is king! I get reality when i look at the real world, Okami is one of my favourite games ever its truly beautiful for e.g so i say stop trying to make everything suoer realistic theres nothing wrong with games looking like games

[@GermanEnigma]

Better than Activision-Blizzard replacing memorable scripted story gameplay missions in CoD MW3 with dull sandbox Warzone segments. They had the nerve to insert dialogue lines from the principal voice cast to create the illusion that you were playing a single player campaign when you were actually playing a solo DMZ match without other human teammates.

[@acewentworth]

If there ain’t hideo I ain’t touching this cash grab

[@seaofrage]

Dont make it yellow ffs... screw color grading. This remake looks great IMO. Disagree with DF sentiment completely.

[@RETROxGAMER]

After reading a lot of praise about the "UE5 gameplay" in the comments under various videos showing it on YT I was afraid I was the only one that felt it looked weird and ultimately bad, like a super early prototype or an ultra low cost fan made animation. I'm glad I'm not the only one and that I am right and "they" are wrong. :) It just looks super simple and basic in the bad way. I hope the final game won't look like this.

[@michiganjack1337]

I would've just wanted MGS3 "remade" using the FoxEngine. UE just doesn't cut it, especially for a Metal Gear game. imo

[@RemnantsOfBeauty]

They chose the wrong game to remake. Who wanted a snake enter remake? No one. We all wanted a MGS1 remake. Very bizarre choice.

[@mr.pinckney]

Canonically this is the earliest in the timeline. That is why Snake Eater is first.

[@RemnantsOfBeauty]

@@mr.pinckney I'm aware of that but MGS1 is the game most in need of a remake . I've always said they should have called MGS3, Metal Gear Solid 0 (Zero) so it actually makes sense...... Although it's not even Solid Snake so....

[@juancampos8874]

The only i see its off its off my Hands Cant wait i Need Metal Gear solid Sony Konami Hideo Kojima make it happen

[@otacon5648]

They need to do MGS2 in those graphics. My god I think I would cry.

[@BUPMY1]

MGS2>MGS3(The original version)

[@JoelEnriquez-uq9tw]

Same

[@klonker797]

Im both enthusiastic and skeptical about this remake and i hope that Konami does justice to the original.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

no

[@MarkStuckert]

I think Megascans is the bigger culprit re: sameness

[@antoniotruong5647]

No MGS without Kojima.

[@ItalianJoe83]

When a "Pseudo-Historical Recreation" of an original Hideo Kojima's Metal Gear game like this Delta looks generic, lacking of any artistic vision and with manually adjusted/not motion recaptured movements just as any other fan made remakes made using the very same Unreal Engine 5 you know exactly how already doomed from the start this project actually is.

[@pedjanedeljkovic7021]

Was wondering why it looked off, something strange about that trailer.

[@86themadhatter27]

I would port the movement from MGSV in. I think that game still has some of the best movement and animation out there. I do agree that so far, this could have been a fan made trailer in UE5

[@bjoernfischer]

as far as i could tell from the trailer, the movements are from mgsv.

[@86themadhatter27]

@@bjoernfischer Oh interesting. Thanks for the info. It's been a long time since i played MGS V

[@mondodimotori]

8:25 "Show us the game" So it's gonna go like it did for the GTA 6 leak, where the average gamer has no idea how a game in production look and they are just gonna complain "this looks BAAAAAD!"

[@alephnole7009]

The answer to the first question is BOTH. We're gonna have an era of very similar looking games until things become so oversaturated devs have to go back to simpler and cheaper designs to compete at budget and stand out again.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

konami's fault for being so damn cheap and not updating the fox engine, heck konami modified the decima engine to be like his

[@Cernunn0s90]

Snake looks way off. They need to keep Yoji Shinkawa's amazing art style intact on characters like the originals did. His face and hair do not look right in this preview.

[@originalityisdead.9513]

If this is going to be on UE5, i can only imagine how it will look on console. I would buy a PS5 Pro now if they were out.

[@Fazeshyft]

Modern gamers have come full circle back to "Make it more piss colored."

[@michaelmonstar4276]

Looks fine to me. - Release it!

[@AP90x]

This 👆 is why we have been getting subpar games and other forms of media lately

[@vegaswithdrawal4132]

​@AP90x So what, is everyone supposed to just bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch? Many gamers today don't even know what they want and often contradict themselves. ("We want realism, but stay true to the original 15+ year old game.") ( They should take their time and do it right." " OMG, why is GTA6 taking long!)

[@AP90x]

@@vegaswithdrawal4132 I just need games to focus on the little things and pay attention to all the small details for the larger experience. If these guys want to make a game, remake a game or whatever, they need to be actual fans of the game and respect the lore and nuances of the world. We get games today where if you shot a bottle in the game world the bullets do nothing to the bottle, stuff like that is just unacceptable. Games where u point a weapon in a npc face and they dont react like little things that kill immersion. This game the lighting and color palette just completely off, snakes character looking off. We are paying 70 bucks for games now these companies need to tighten up. Im sorry🤷‍♂️

[@Rockerfella360]

I think the strange tech demo looking graphics is just a symptom of updating old games to a more realistic style. I thought the exact same thing about the Final Fantasy 7 remake the first time I saw it, but now that I'm used to it it looks normal to me and correct.

[@willuigi64]

I feel the delta (hehe) between OG FFVII, and the extended FFVII media (Advent Children, Crisis Core, Etc) is a lot greater because of the original's use of mixed styles vs the standardized artwork proceeding it. As opposed to MGS 3 > Delta's changes which essentially boils down to putting the pachinko assets into ue5 (massively downplaying the work put into Delta but you get my point I hope).

[@ThiagoConsolaro]

couldn't see anything off about it. it's a remake and they're going for photorealism. I couldn't understanf DF's argument about the trailer looking off...

[@noahsabadish3812]

have you played the original?

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

@@noahsabadish3812 of course he hasn't lol

[@And-War]

Definitely, the snake character model looks to big

[@gamereddy9059]

Come on guys we have to do something. This game could be a big one. Konami should listen to this! It would make a good looking game to something else!!! We should spam this video to Konami.