Did Basilisks Just Become AUTO-INCLUDE!?! | 10th Edition | Astra Militarum Tactics

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[@markdorn8873]

We are a simple people: we dig trenches, we fire artillery, and we charge across no-man's land. All in the name of the Emperor, of course.

[@RotnDot]

I love my Basilisks, they've been an auto-include for me personally every single time.

[@JellothePallascat]

We humans have had a lot of time to practice the art of throwing things at each other with out actually seeing the people we are throwing things at. Glad to see that mastery through practice work it’s way on to the rule sheet.

[@jamesloder8652]

Mordian, I'm pretty sure the core roles say a d6 value can never be reduced below 1 or increased above 6.

[@coleossal6230]

Can't be reduced below 1 but can be increased above 6 as per the rules commentary they released today

[@xBlueXCyclonex]

Yes its in the 'Modifying Dice Rolls' section and states ■ A dice roll can never be modified below 1. If, after all modifiers have been applied, a dice roll would be less than 1, count that result as a 1.

[@eldoriath1]

With the new rule commentary a roll can at most be reduced to 1, so 50/50 chance they only get 1" advance

[@causseistvan8289]

Yes right, thanks for pointing that out

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

The Basilisk is now just an actual artillery piece. IRL howitzers like 155s, 152s, 122s, and 105s can't reliably hurt medium and heavy armored vehicles because that isn't their job. Their job is to fuck up infantry.

[@Iocanthos]

You may want to check what is the main driver for vehicle kill in Ukraine then. Artillery can reliably hit vehicles, and no tank can survive a shell plunging on top of them.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

@@Iocanthos but that is not the role for which they are designed. As such, they have to land ON the tank, which is a fairly big ask.

[@AhmedAli-of4jy]

@nicholaswalsh4462 In modern-day, drone war. It's not that big deal.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

@@AhmedAli-of4jy It actually is. The most accurate round in US service is the M982 Excalibur guided artillery round. It has a CEP (Circular Error Probability) of 6 meters, meaning that 50% of all rounds fired will land outside of a circle 12 meters in diameter. Since even the largest tanks are 10 meters long and about 3 meters wide, there's a lot of empty space around them that the round can land in, making them still VERY difficult targets for artillery to hit. As such, we use other weapons to kill tanks like anti-tank guided missiles, tank cannons with HEAT or sabot rounds, and big-ass landmines. Artillery is primarily used to suppress and kill dismounted infantry. As long as the artillery is good at doing that, that is all that matters.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

@@AhmedAli-of4jy a circle 6 meters in radius (so 12 meters in diameter, the CEP of the M982 as mentioned before) covers 113 square meters. An Abrams covers an area of 35.76 square meters. That means that a tank is only 31.64% of the area in which ONLY 50% of the artillery rounds will land in. So if you fire 100 artillery rounds, 50 of them are going to land MORE than 6 meters away from that tank. Of the 50 that do land within 6 meters, 34.18 of them land somewhere that the tank isn't, leaving only 15.82 of the original 100 shells to hit the tank. I don't call a 15.82% probability of hit "reliable".

[@stonelane1827]

Loved the Basilisks since 3rd edition. Got 4 kicking about somewhere.

[@finnzo26]

Speaking of Arty, I am happy to report that at 1k, the Wyvern was surprisingly useful tonight. Especially coupled with some scout sentinels and a Russ with an Exterminator giving them +1 AP against their target. I coupled them with An infantry squad and platoon command squad with mortars, a mortar heavy weapons team, and Bombast Field Guns.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

as a necron player, I live in fear of basilisks and thunderfire cannons.

[@Zillawill]

I've just started IG, time to print out a few of these to go along with mortars and earthshaker cannons

[@Cronosification]

got a good stl link?

[@Zillawill]

​@@Cronosificationfor what? If tank then I use Nfeyma, for mortars and cannons you got multiple options

[@Cronosification]

@@Zillawill basilisk was what i was thinking...although now I'm wondering how to a convert a chimera into a manticore

[@fightindice6227]

My GSC list can fit 3 scout sentinels and 3 basilisks for 480 points. Life is good!

[@madhatter1662]

The Ordo Hereticus is smelling some heresy. This recon ability with the scout sentinels is starting to seem a lot like T'au marker lights abilities.

[@aleehomedition8165]

Artillery is looking AMAZING in 10th edition. Pointswise they are great!

[@mohawkmodels2665]

Even the Wyvern is looking good now it’s at 90 points! Those stormshard mortars just have as many keywords slapped on them as they could😂

[@Paintersquest]

The rules interpretation link shows that cant reduce movement below 1. As well only rules that say on data sheet that can reduce to zero can go below 1.

[@radomircita9420]

I am sure Earthshaker has great potential to shape the battlefield. Crater making potential

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

earthshaker rounds becoming an innate ability is actually a nasty upgrade.

[@Jelle1880]

I've used it a few times now and while it hasn't won me any games it has always heen super reliable to scare enemies away from certain areas of the board. Shooting from behind buildings works fine with a scout sentinel and/or orders and if the enemy does come into view then even better! It's got very reliable damage to keep enemies away.

[@clausewitz7496]

I don't actually play 40K, but as a thought exercise I had a look at stacking buffs on Guard artillery. Here's what I could find (including all those mentioned in the video):- Regimental Attaches Artillery Commander: [SUSTAINED HITS 1] FIELDS OF FIRE... improve the Armour Penetration characteristic of that attack by 1. TAKE AIM! BS+1 Scout Sentinal Daring Recon - no penalty on INDIRECT FIRE, reroll 1s BORN SOLDIERS [LETHAL HITS] HELLHOUND Ignore Cover (basically) LEMAN RUSS EXTERMINATOR Withering Hail AP+1 MANTICORE Furious Barrage Reroll hits HEAVY: +1 to hit Sample List (to include all those buffs) Leman Russ Exterminator 200 pts Scout Sentinel 50 pts Hellhound 125 pts Infantry Squad 65 pts Regimental Attachés 40 pts Ursula Creed 55 pts Lord Solar Leontus 125 pts 3x Manticore 315 pts = 975 pts Your barrage against a unit of 5 would be 3D6+6* attacks from the 3 Manticores, rerolling all hits (fishing for 6's for both Lethal Hits and Sustained Hits), hitting on 2s (Take Aim + Heavy + Daring Recon). Wounding with S10. With AP-4 plus no cover and damage 3. (*add more attacks for units of 10+ per BLAST) Lord Solar to provide the orders and Ursula Creed to get Fields of Fire for 0 CP.

[@tasteofwang81]

Fabulous video, my cannon fired it’s shot in my trousers.

[@shakyrob6512]

Lol if my Leman Russ Punisher Armoured detachment was still field-able. 2 tank commanders and 9 with just front Heavy Flamers would be 2.1k points up from 1,995. Though that was admittedly before the 9th ed Codex.

[@Daimondcraftz]

The rules commentary GW just released says that a roll can never be modified below 1. So making someone advance negative inches isn't possible as the advance roll will always give a minimum of 1 inch. Same with charging, although I'm not 100% sure if that would make the minimum charge roll 1 or 2 inches since you roll two dice but they're part of the same roll? (I think 1 inch based on GWs wording).

[@echomarker9382]

Basilisk is only 110 points in 10 E so far

[@jasongarfitt1147]

How did it get both better and cheaper?

[@grouchypotatowolfpack5580]

​@@jasongarfitt1147 nobody was using it. GW can't have models that don't sell, but they can't just stop making basilisks. The fans would stage a coup.

[@benclark3457]

@@jasongarfitt1147 to me, the idea was that tank commander spam was kinda cheesey to play, therefore theyd reduce it to make them more like officers are to infantry than some hero unit. then recognize the army needed that kind of firepower and decided the basilisk was the perfect fix. i love how this edition has learnt and now gives that 'combined arms', to the extent of almost rivalling our peak 9th 'cheesey' power like the kaskrkin bomb

[@swest88041]

i have a basilisk from i got about a year ago. it hasn't done much in the games i've brought it... but i feel like that tides are changing .

[@wolfhunter98]

It was a monster years ago when blast templates where a thing. My friends CSMs would just disappear by the squads xD It had to stop using them for as often as I'd roll hit on the scatter dice. >.>

[@FabledAllele]

Anyone else see manticores has unlimited missiles now

[@wolfhunter98]

Yeah, thought that was kinda interesting. Wonder if they just forgot, or figured the game was only 5 turns what's one more shot?

[@gankistani9528]

I do like the ol' basi, Have no idea why GW made it damage 2 when an autocannon is basically a much smaller version of this but damage 3.......

[@tomasdawe9379]

Damage caused by direct autocannon hit & subsequent explosion Vs blast effect & shrapnel. Now if you were directly hit by an earthshaker...

[@gankistani9528]

@@tomasdawe9379 which could be represented by indirect Vs direct fire? Instead of -1 ap?

[@wolfhunter98]

Don't forget you can toss a autocannon Russ for that -1ap for extra death. Though if you don't need the slow effect, I feel the manticore is better.

[@desitri2956]

anyone know a 3rd party solution to the mess in the back? i lost most of the rails and the gaping hole looks silly too

[@internetuser320]

Me to basilisk 9e:useless! useless! useless! Me to basilisk after this clip:Maybe I treated you too harshly

[@nathangreig5884]

I always wanted a basaliak. I wonder how fobs are in 10th

[@ethanklee9041]

They are alright, could be a bit nicer if they cost a bit less.

[@percymacdonald6657]

I think the biggest drawback is getting something in range to order the basilisk. Its either taking a 240pt tank commander who hovers within 12" or lord solar leontus who you generally want in the middle of 3+ high priority units for orders.

[@jamesloder8652]

Basilisks don't need orders at all, what are you talking about? What order would they need??

[@Crucifiedjustified]

@@jamesloder8652 take aim as is discussed in the video

[@jamesloder8652]

​@@Crucifiedjustified take aim is really not necessary tbh. Hitting on a 3+ is perfectly fine.

[@Booker8991]

@@jamesloder8652 if it's indirect shooting then the +1 is pretty important

[@dxpsumma383]

Basilisks can be buffed by Expert Bomardiers and Scout Sentinels, making TA almost overkill

[@polakskia6604]

Very interesting video, I just have one question left which is : can the Earthshaker rounds ability stack thanks to multiple Basilisks hitting on the same target ? (I mean since there are no precisions like the one of the leman russ exterminator : "The same enemy unit can only be affected by this ability once per phase." I am not sure it actually can't.) (Edit) I think it can not since it adds a condition rather than inflicting a raw penalty, however I'm still curious about other opinions.

[@pezpengy9308]

excellent question but i rather doubt it. the earthshaker round doesnt impose a penalty to movement, it imposes a condition. the condition imposes the penalty. i dont think you can be more shaken.

[@jasongarfitt1147]

Doesn't stack by my reading

[@bradp6452]

Basilisk do not even belong in a game of 40k. Same with the ICBM vehicle. Should be structured as a stratagem.

[@inoroth2001]

Mechanically, I can see your point... but the models are neat-o!

[@FabledAllele]

They did add rules clarifications under pounts

[@basman5591]

I don't know how knowledgable you are on the subject, but could you do a video on converting historical tanks or other 3rd party kits into Guard vehicles? Tips and tricks etc.

[@LordByte]

Each basilisk can basically deny your opponent an objective every round too.... (Shaken)

[@canisrex5142]

IG is looking sexy! I'm so pumped I grabbed another Baneblade kit to build as a Stormlord.

[@theblindbuildergrandminuti5648]

My arty Mary is fully operational!

[@zsoltlang2144]

nah just bring back scatter for indirect fire and also for direct weapons for orks with the big belly gun on their scrap titan

[@Jahada510]

I thought hit rolls cant be modified by more than 1? Where does it say they can stack?

[@Carpatheon.]

I have always love my Basiliks, but 9th rules for them made me sadface.... Quite happy to get them back into rotation again :)

[@rasspliffari]

combine basilisk with hellhounds to remove cover

[@wolfhunter98]

Tons of combos you can do with 10th Guard. Can get the autocannon Russ to get -1ap. Scout sents to reroll 1 to hits. And all the order stuff.

[@damnationdan5253]

Death Guard can just have Mortarion near them and ignore the -2"

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

the fact that they made it so you need to bring a 370 point model to do it...

[@Ickbard]

glad you finally see the light ;)

[@bobrobert4187]

Shatter their sky!!

[@chrisporter8120]

Does the Manticore not just seem better in every way that matters?

[@wolfhunter98]

Basi is better if shooting marines I'd say. More shots, Str8 is already double (2+ wounds), same AP. And D2 is enough to one shot them so D3 doesn't matter. If you're firing at term's then yeah manti all day. Though not sure if the +2 attacks vs the re-roll to hit is better on the manta. Though the slow on basi is fun when shooting slow units like nercons or Death Guard. 3" move a turn is painful to see. Could also take 3 of each for maximum death. Manti's on them then basi to finish them off when they drop below 5 models.

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

Also use hellhound to remove cover benefits

[@EndTimeHeresy]

Indirect will be, looking at the points costs at the moment, be even a bigger problem than last edition

[@AndyFTM]

Putting the tracks on one right now :)

[@thebigm7558]

Does anyone know where i can find the old cadian shocktroops models? My local gw store say they were discontinued. I think don't like the new designs at all

[@ratz30]

Is it just me or is it quite difficult to give orders to basilisks? Doesn't seem like many officers can target vehicles.

[@buryitdeep]

Nothing can be modified below 1. You can only add +1 or -1 to a dice roll. You are giving out nong advice. The reason for rules bloat was nongs needing it spelled out.

[@andrewking8811]

At the points cost... oh hell yes

[@carlosesquivel6329]

As a new warhammer player how would u make a 2000 points imperial guard army in 10th

[@rodneygaul2227]

get out your wallet 💲💲💲 1,500 USD to get warmed up THEN Cadian , Catachan , Krieg or generic regiment ❔ Your toughest choice THEN think mechanized troops with 8 chimeras ( 2 for officer transports )for the modern American / Russian armored infantry attack OR think Infantry squads ( 120+ troops ) for the WW2 Russian / Chinese mass attack waves with heavy casualties THEN think 4 tanks , 1 is a tank commander ( magnetize barrels to swap out ) AND/OR think artillery , 3 mortars squads ❕ , 3 Earth Shakers and 3 FIELD ORDNANCE BATTERY ❔( bombast if you do ) Just to get started Then Fast Attack , Elites and Flyers for a later date and your pile of shame It basically comes down to style of play OR What you think is cool looking and how thick your wallet is Realistically , a 4K to 8K resin 3D printer and buying STL files is cheaper OR Making rubber molds ( from 1 original GW model ) with a vacuum chamber ( pressure cooker works with compressor ) and resin ( how I did it back in the day ) and with all these models ? A lower end Spray gun and compressor is smart to get them painted 3 or 4 thin coats of paint are better than 1 thick coat

[@robmcguire7534]

Anybody else re-watching this following the Jan '24 Dataslate?

[@SChen-ei8gx]

You shouldn't be able to go below a zero. You move, then you advance.

[@Juliusstarcraft]

I have 6. I am happy.

[@t3hSpAdEs]

I think it would just take the advance away if they rolled a 1 or 2

[@UllyrWuldan]

SOMEONE ORDER AN EARTHSHAKER!?!

[@ericrhinehart9155]

I don’t think Morty is right about dg getting reduced to 1. Some devs notes have come out since this videos .

[@keithsimpson2685]

Lisks hould have less toughness and more S. Its open topped artillery. Let it kill tanks with direct hits degv wounds or something and give it less toughness.

[@cesarsotillo784]

I dont think you can roll a Negative on an Advance Roll.

[@ruilmonsezhi4088]

Oh? More arty became OPTIMAL?

[@tom-from-discord]

Shame its shooting phase only and doesn't apply in overwatch :(

[@denisloebner4882]

As great as the basilisk looks i am even more impressed by the new wyvern. only W6+1 instead of W6+3 shots but still blast, Str 10 instead, 3 damage instead, 20 points cheaper and the passive gives it full reroll to hit when shooting at 5+ models units. oh and the chassis itself has 10 defense instead.

[@marcialrodriguez6285]

manticore*

[@denisloebner4882]

@@marcialrodriguez6285 oh yeah. Mixed em up

[@denisloebner4882]

@@marcialrodriguez6285 oh you are right. mixed em up. and those are only 5 points cheaper, not 20.

[@NoName-lo9ym]

Just nuke everything with the 2d6 Strength 8 Frag missiles on the Taurox Prime. Stupid GW deserve their poorly written Index to be exploited 😂

[@richardjohnson6849]

We are the white deck of 40k for those who play magic the gathering. One for one, oh god no! But small numerous with buffs everywhere becomes an avalanche when they are properly used.

[@richardseaton6390]

Revisiting for the memories of effective artillery. F

[@rodneygaul2227]

Reporting for Duty , Sir o7 "One shot" usable once per battle ?????????? Squadron ?????????????

[@brickhill3025]

3D printer go brrrrr

[@jamesharrison7011]

Basilisks & Manticores seem really undercosted. The worry is we become a boring to play artillery only army

[@FabledAllele]

This is the way

[@TheCrimsonSpork]

“Boring to play” is an interesting way to describe Glorious Fusillades

[@vermin9190]

I’ve disliked your comment. Arty is the way to support your troops.

[@inoroth2001]

I have not disliked your comment, but I agree with @vermin -- nothing boring about a rain of lead!

[@jasongarfitt1147]

I haven't played 10th yet but i feel that the basilisk and manticore should be 10 points more expensive and the leman russ variants 10 points cheaper

[@hectorluis8102]

o7