Did CURLY CUTS & The BGC’s 30 Day Hair Detox Damage My Hair? What You Need To Know

[@shelly.v.247]

Hey Curl Friends, I realize this is a very sensitive topic and I don’t take it lightly. My purpose is not to discredit or drag anyone or organization but rather to share what has happened to my hair. It started with getting curly cuts and has progressed to my hair strands being compromised from what I believe is the lack of leave-ins & deep conditioning treatments etc. While following this particular hair care methodology by BGC, I began to notice some very unfavorable changes to my hair. The ends of my hair were not only split up like crazy (even with routine curly cuts by 2 CIK’s) but my hair also became very hard, rough and dry! At the end of the day the blame rest on my shoulders because no one forced me to implement those practices into my hair care routine. I made an adult decision to do so and now I’m dealing with the consequences of it all. If you feel your hair is thriving by utilizing these same practices, I still highly recommend you have your hair professionally assessed. Had I not taken the initiative to have mine assessed, I would have not known for quite some time what was really happening to my hair. Hopefully, it’s not too late and parts of my hair can still recover! Also, it’s honestly been very disheartening and frustrating to say the least because I feel like my and others concerns are being dismissed. Instead we’ve been blocked, poked fun of and drug through the mud for sharing what’s been happening. Either way, it’s up to me/us to make changes to fix the damage that has occurred. It’s just very upsetting to start over again and have others talk badly about you for speaking your truth. 😓 All I can say at this point is….Please please please check your hair friends! It’s better to be safe than sorry!!!! 💯 ~Shelly 💖

[@nodiva218]

I am completely with you on this! 🤗 I have always side eyed the no deep conditioning, leave in, and hair/scalp oiling that has been around for 100’s of years. I like to listen to my hair in particular and have been natural for so long that I have seen phases come and go but those who have been around stick with these “basics”. I’m so happy you gave it a shot then decided what was best for you. I’m here for you sis!

[@shelly.v.247]

@@nodiva218Yes, I agree with you. It’s so important to take ownership of your own hair and move accordingly 💯 Thank you for your love and support. It’s greatly appreciated Sis‼️💖

[@a9p6m4]

I agree Shelly! And have followed you on IG for the last year. I had one curly cut in my life and knew. This ain’t good. I never used oils and butter on my hair. So that part of black girl curls was cool with me. And was happy to finally see people get on that wagon. Where they lost me was the No deep condition, and leave in. As well as no air drying. At least two to 3 times a month we air drying over here. Sometimes more than 3 times. Anyway lol! Y’all better take care of yalls heads the same way ya did when it was relaxed. And I have always trimmed my hair blown out. I know for me trying to make my hair go 5 and more days will create chaos for me. So I do my wash and go every two to three days.

[@andreajones8672]

Okay! Because I didn’t even get curly cuts and my hair was still damaged. It’s the dryness.

[@shelly.v.247]

@@a9p6m4 I totally feel you! 💯

[@AfrikanHairGod]

Not her pulling the plug on thoroughly discussing this matter ON A PUBLIC LIVE...how convenient... That is absolutely ridiculous. As a professional, if I had recommended methods that caused my viewers and followers damage or unsatisfactory results, I feel so obligated and inclined to get to the bottom of it. I am very much disappointed in how they have navigated this. This really could've been nipped in the bud and been an opportunity to better serve their supporters and consumers. They pride themselves on being snarky and speaking out against methods that oppose their views, but when the shoe is on the other foot, they find any excuse to renege and avoid accountability. I simply cannot respect that as a fellow professional. Especially treating someone that way that respected, invested, and supported them and their brand. They owe at least that respect. Shelly, I really do apologize for you and the other ladies going thru this experience. Very few people know how much of a toll this takes to be in this position, but I believe that you Rosie and the other ladies are pioneering a movement where clients are taking their power back in this industry that has made women silent & docile to accept whatever happens to them in the salon chair. I thank you ladies for speaking out. This saga has taught me to be a more perceptive stylist and made me aware of how to better see and assess damage on textured hair. I used to believe that I could fully assess damage on natural hair in its natural state and through this process I've learned just how deceptive curls and coils can be. Being a cosmetology practitioner, means being open to learning and growing in your study. BGC may not have able to receive that lesson but I am not too proud to admit my shortcomings and grow from them. Though your situation was a rather negative one, you have brought about such positive change and awareness with this issue.

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you Narada for being a voice to this as well and helping us uncover what’s been happening to our hair. It’s awesome to have knowledgeable professionals to lean on in times like this. Not to mention, helping us see these are not isolated to myself and Rosie. Heck you can read the comments and see we aren’t the only ones dealing with these issues! You’ve also, helped me to gain my voice in speaking up about my personal experience with my hair. You are APPRECIATED my friend ‼️♥️💯

[@roseyposeyloposey1]

​@shelly.v.247 you, Rosie and @AfrikanHairGod have helped me immensely through your awareness on this topic. I too have velcro ends and decided to get my hair blown out almost 5 yrs later to assess any damage and/or unevenness. Thankfully, there wasn't any hair jaggedness but I do need to remove about 2 in. off the ends as the rest of the hair is full & healthy. However, I wanted to see more length retention but feel confident going forward I'll experience more of it. I've also implemented leave-ins back into my routine with the occasional 2 min reconstructer.

[@legsnhipsnbawdy]

What I would give just for one of them to have even a hint of accountability. Even a "for the sake of brevity, we didn't provide nuance, but we realize now that a deeper/clearer explanation is needed" would be a start! Instead, it's somehow always the client's fault (for not letting the stylust cut enough, for sticking with a bad stylist, for not asking questions in the paid library, for maybe wanting to save a little money, for asking too many questions, for not asking enough questions, etc.) or the stylist's fault (for not having sharp enough shears, for not cutting enough). As a consumer, the expectations are unreasonable. And the judgement for asking a question - even in the see some curls library - is awful.

[@Ms.Byrd68]

@@shelly.v.247 _All Things in Moderation._ We need to understand Hair in General, Black Hair in particular, and finally OUR OWN HAIR specifically. Too much Heat can cause 'Heat Damage' without SOMETHING to protect the hair. People get upset when you 'challenge' something they've said instead of doing some research to ensure their stand on it is correct and just confidently & calmly answering the question or objection. It's 'childish'. It's your hair, you have a right to ask questions.

[@JennJackson]

You absolutely need to speak up and we appreciate your voice in this space. This is an opportunity for us to reevaluate and tweak this method, not tear each other down. I wonder if the issues is the constant wash and go as well? I noticed a post the other day from BGC talking about leave-ins and I thought it was interesting since it was a no-no. Anyways, thank you for sharing your story. I am working on a video myself to spread awareness, even though I haven’t experienced these issues. People need to know.

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you Jenn so very much for your encouraging and kind words! I truly appreciate you and them! I’m glad you’ll also be speaking up on this topic. Please feel free to use any of my content you deem appropriate should you need to utilize it. 💖

[@shvonneboudreaux]

Greetings! My name is Shvonne, and I’m your friend Shaunna’s stylist. I have so so so much to say!! So this is gonna be a little lengthy. Hair Philosophies BGC is just one hair care philosophy. Just like DevaCurl has one, Ouidad has one and so on and so forth. Everyone is going to view curls and textured hair differently. I think my biggest issue with BGC has been their inability to be flexible and creating a cult-like following that isn’t conducive for business. I am a stylist with 10 years of experience and what I have learned with natural hair is that it isn't one size fits all. A few things though that I want to specifically address: I was trained and affiliated with them and stopped because I don’t do the nice nasty energy from them, especially Aisha. I have my own thoughts on why she’s like that but that’s a discussion for another day. What I also don’t like in the natural hair community are hair bullies and I feel like a lot of their followers are hair bullies. As a stylist I began to see issues with their regimen. As a chemist who makes products for my salon I really saw some deep issues with it over time. I believe in Deep conditioning and using leave-ins. Now for me deep conditioning isn’t optional, however leave-in conditioners are. Not every head of hair needs a leave-in conditioner, especially the cream based ones. Now something I put on every client is usually a multi purpose leave in like it's a 10. Which is also a heat protectant. Anytime I’m going to be diffusing, or putting people under the dryer whether direct or indirect heat I feel like a heat protectant is needed. I enjoy the multi use treatment spray leave ins because they are light and usually don’t break my gels down and mess up my sets. Another one I enjoy adding in depending on the set is Olaplex No. 9 serum. I adore this because it's silicone free and can be used with curly or straight styles. As a cosmetologist and a chemist people must understand that once your hair comes out of your head it is dead. That means you must take care of its integrity with things like deep conditioners. I will even go so far to say if you have coarse hair you need a dryer for deep conditioning. Steamers do absolutely NOTHING for low porosity hair. That deep conditioner with the cap is going to help that treatment penetrate further into the hair shaft. However Shelly what you experienced with your hair is called dehydration. Over time when hair doesn’t get enough of the right kinds of moisture (Penetrating moisture vs sealing moisture. And trust there is a difference) that leads to that hardness of the hair and the frizz. When hair is dehydrated it is frizzy even when wet. Which is why using botanical based products is best. With that being said about botanical based products let’s break down ingredients for a few moments. Water should always be the first ingredient in your products especially cream based products. Naturally raw butters and oils are going to seal in water, however if there is no water present OR the hair is low porosity these products won’t be able to nourish the hair effectively. I am speaking to you as a chemist, not a stylist. When we make any kind of conditioner or cream based product we need something call and emulsifier. Usually the one you’ll see the most is behentrimonium methosulfate. Emulsifiers are there to mix water and oils/butters together. Others that you’ll see usually as co emulsifiers are Cetearyl alcohol and cetyl alcohol. These emulsifiers are melted down with the butters and oils during the mixing process and are then mixed with the water phase. Because of that it breaks the oils and butters down with the water making them easier to penetrate the hair shaft and actually give moisture. Again depending on the formula of the conditioner will determine if it's penetrating or sealing moisture. However what ends up happening is people assume if it's heavy and greasy it's working and that’s not even the full truth. Many times people's hair needs months and months of penetrating moisture via deep conditioners to bring their hair back to life because again if the hair is dead when it leaves the scalp then it will be forever losing moisture and protein and that has to be replenished with deep conditioners. Curly cuts. I promise this is going to divide the nation. So let's break it all the way down. Curly cuts are for SHAPE NOT HEALTH!! STRAIGHT CUTS ARE FOR HEALTH NOT SHAPE! I know folks are gonna disagree with me but let's take this ride together. First off if you can’t truly cut hair a stylist please don't attempt a curly cut. I am so tired of fixing folks' mistakes (personal pet peeve). Many clients, especially my latina clients have zero desire to ever get a blow out or press to cut and that’s perfectly fine. Why? Because they are educated on the health of their hair. Many of my clients are terrified of heat and tbh I don’t blame them. My job is to educate but the decision at the end of the day is theirs. Many of my clients get 2 to 3 curly cuts a year and one blow out or press to just make sure their ends are in check. Now some textures I am harder on like coily because their hair is more prone to breakage and split ends that others because many of them twist more having more manipulation to their hair. However cutting off dead ends helps with length retention. If you desire longer hair then trims are gonna be needed. Many times stylists can’t see those dead ends including me. Many times I can feel them and see them better doing a wet curly cut vs a dry one. However I can cut hair curly, straight, blown out, wet and dry. Doesn’t matter. Figuring out what philosophy works best for you and your hair is what does. I am sick and tired of people pushing what works for them in the masses and that’s period. Your friend Shaunna comes to me and I’ve never blown her out to cut her. Yes she has shorter hair but I could blow her out up top where her taper is to cut her but I don’t because it's not necessary. Because everyone’s hair is different and so are their hair care goals. I follow you on social media and think you are extremely sweet and kind, however something that has to be said is be an expert at your own hair and no one else’s. I say this with kindness because too many times influencers who have all this power can sometimes give out misinformation just like BGC and others can. That doesn’t make what hair philosophies work for you to be wrong Shelly but what you use and what I would use on my hair would be different. However I could be taking what you use as gospel because you’re an influencer. That’s what has become wrong with the natural hair movement and community is there are too many people with misinformation giving it to the masses because they have thousands of followers. My job as a hairstylist is to know how to do any texture that sits in my chair, however even though it comes from a positive and caring place too many times you guys give out the wrong information. So please find stylists to partner with, however be mindful that every single hair stylist philosophy will be different and that’s a disclaimer that has to be given. I always lay down what mine are with new clients so they can get to know me as a stylist and what I do specifically. It doesn’t make anyone wrong or right, but trying to make people see things from your point of view only makes you just as bad as BGC. Lastly, I want to speak on BGC as a stylist who spent thousands on their class. They have made millions off the insecurities of the natural hair community and created a toxic natural hair care environment that I have decided not to be a part of since 2020. I am not a hair bully and don’t condone the way they speak to people, especially Aisha. However please don’t make your platform all about debunking them, instead focus on better energy, education and a community of natural hair women who are focused on positivity. Their terrible attitudes and business practices will eventually catch up to them; it's only a matter of time. However if you continue to stand on this soap box again you are no better than them trying to tear each other down. It may be time to really figure out what you want your platform to be as an influencer because you do have the ability to influence. Why don’t you use that for more positivity instead of trying to tear them down when eventually folks are going to see through the BS. That’s just my 2 cents on the entire video. Sending you light and love.

[@selenejones7668]

Well said, I’m excited to see what Shelly does here. I also hope BGCs does course correct. Both Shelly and BGC have the ability to helps people fall in love with their hair and get curious. Once a viewer finds a stylist to partner with (who’ll keep them from getting TOO darn curious!), it’s all gravy. In this arena I don’t think there is perfect; I do believe in better. 😊

[@Trinarenee73]

Do you have a social media???

[@shelly.v.247]

I appreciate hearing your perspective and I can’t disagree with anything you’ve stated here. I will do a much better job being more responsible on my end of things too. For I do understand the responsibility I have as an “influencer.” Lastly, I’d love to do an Instagram LIVE with you and discuss the product aspect. I love your knowledge and how you laid it all out. 💖

[@ArethaRenee]

Very well said and informative!

[@chasebeautytoo51]

Whew thank you for the thorough and informative explanation, great insight into everything.

[@shavonnedavis448]

I understand BGC wanting to protect the brand that it's taken years to bulid. But this could have been an opportunity to broaden their audience by introducing some flexibility for ladies with different hair needs. It didn't even need to be publicized. Like a "secret menu" type of thing 😂 It would have been wise to simply acknowledge that hair is not one size fits all, and some consumers may have success with a different regimen. The expectation of cult like allegiance is disturbing. Especially when they themselves are brand agnostic. As a 25 year licensed professional I genuinely enjoyed their content and found some of the info useful. But a while back I too found the delivery harsh, abrasive and unnecessarily hostile at times and unfollowed. Best wishes to you on your re-routed hair journey.

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you so very much! I always appreciate hearing from the professionals and hearing their perspectives! I agree with you with everything you stated. This could all have been avoided had they just been open to possibly tweaking their system/protocols. I also think they should be more flexible in the CIK cutting method by recommending CIK stylist periodically stretch their clients hair and check the overall health of it. Thank you for your input. It’s golden‼️💯

[@belindasanders1719]

So well said. I got passed their abrasiveness and heard their message. They brought everything together for me that was fragmented over the years.

[@marquita1636]

100 percent agree! I was put off by her attitude as well. I stopped following because Aisha seemed to like to talk in circles or do lives only to act confused by questions. It seems like their number 1 concern is money from subscribers. I did take away some knowledge from my subscription that has helped me with my journey but I was never sold on the curly cuts

[@sherwood9917]

@@marquita1636 The lives, for me, are uninformative. No matter what questions are posed, the answer is, inevitably, to read or subscribe to their guides. I learned how to do a proper wash and go that I like from their method. However, I never gave up my deep conditioners and have always used a leave-in with my twist outs because I didn't like how dry my hair felt when I didn't use those "tools".

[@ArethaRenee]

They are nasty with the stylist under their program as well. A stylist I know has complaints about them.

[@yolandamarie6858]

I’ve had 3 curly cuts at a salon in Chicago since January. My last and final curly cut appointment was a disaster. Prior to my last appointment, I was finally able to retain an inch of hair. During my appointment, I asked the curly stylist, if there was a way to modify the cut so that I could retain some of my length, and that’s where the tension started. Long story short the stylist started saying that my length doesn’t live in the back of my head, which is not at all what I was asking. She proceeded to cut using the same method that BGC Cut it Kinky stylists use, disregarding what I wanted from the cut. I lost all the length I had retained. My hair was also very hard from all the gel the stylist used, so I washed my hair after my appointment. It was filled with tangles less than 24 hours after my cut. I have been following the BGC method for my hair and can say I only started retaining length once I started back using my leave in conditioner and stopped doing the wash n goes. I can confirm that everything you mentioned in this video happened to my hair, including tangling, split ends, single strand knots, dryness, and just overall damage happened to my hair. Thank you for speaking up and sharing your truth, because I’m sure this is happening to many other women who have followed this method.

[@shelly.v.247]

Omgoodness Sis, I’m so very sorry! 😞 It’s so hard to listen to story after story of others who have experienced the same things! The silver lining is that now we know better and can move and do things differently! 🙌🏽 My hair feels so much better since getting my cuts done on blown out hair. Plus I have been able to retain more length since doing so. However, I do have extensive damage I’m dealing with from removing the deep conditioners and leave-ins from my hair care routine. I’ll NEVER do that ever again! 😑 Well thankfully it sounds like you’re on a great path now to healthier hair. I’m just sorry that it took so many people having to endure this. Also, thank you so very for sharing your thoughts and experiences! It helps others know it’s not an isolated event‼️💖

[@kiyagames5174]

You all are putting words to what I have been experiencing. I thank everyone who is speaking out for that. I haven’t been able to retain as much length since starting this journey. My hair has been harder to detangle and has higher split ends, overall contributing to the lack of growth (obviously it’s breaking off much faster than it can grow). I will be adding deep conditioner, leave-in, and straight haircuts from now on. I hope this will help me retain length and mitigate the splitting ends. Edit: For reference I’ve been indoctrinated for only 2 years. I’m glad I’ve woken up before things got worse. The space conditions us to believe that if their hair care practices aren’t working, then it’s your own fault not the hair care routine being promoted as healthy.

[@dabneytracey]

This is so unfortunate. I want to apologize on behalf of all of the Natural Haircare / Curl Specialist, who approach curly hair with intention, individuality, and expertise. Yes, they do explain the science + technical parts of hair that makes sense and clicked for many of us BUT a lot of their methodologies I never agreed with because hair needs conditioners~ ALL KINDS! REGULAR, DEEP & LEAVE INS. Hair needs the added hydration from leave-ins. The leave ins help to create some hydration/ slip so you minimize mechanical damage. I’ve had multiple new clients come in my chair and try to tell me how to do their hair based on the methodology of BGC AND I explain to them if their methodologies work so well why is your hair still so dry???. They could never answer that for me. I’m not downplaying what they’ve done and how they’ve trail- blazed in this lane but I knew their mindset/ methods was causing harm because their approach seemed one size fits all to me . They are brand agnostic, but at the same time they recommend the same brands to every client. It doesn’t matter what “ essential hair elements” they had, they still recommended the same products. With that approach you disregard the client’s individual needs and box them into haircare that may not work for them. You miss the opportunity to give them customized results because everybody is using the same products. Every stylist has their expertise, tip & trips but they don’t work for everyone. I believe every Stylist should be a walking representation of what they specialize in. You promote hair hair health~your hair should look, feel and behave healthy. Total transparency: When I look to a stylist or an educator for inspiration, I’m assessing all that they are. Some may view this statement judgemental but when it comes to hair care specialists, make up artist, nail technician, and anyone that’s in a profession where we’re looking at the physical aesthetic, I need to be impressed …….and I never was! That’s why I didn’t invest even though several people suggested that I take their classes. I think they did try to make there methods the “industry standard” and now the flaws in their system are being exposed and they don’t like that. Shelly you’re courageous, smart, vigilant & strong. ALWAYS speak your truth because it will bless many people. Continue to be intentional and proactive in the health of your hair and watch it keep flourishing!

[@yolandamarie6858]

@@kiyagames5174 , thank you for sharing your experience. My stylist always made it seem like I was doing something wrong, instead of it being the method. The dryness, lack of deep conditioning, and leave in conditioner has definitely taken a toll on my hair. Luckily, I was only following their method for about a year. Hopefully we can work toward getting back to a healthy hair journey now that we know better. Best wishes to you.

[@shelly.v.247]

I wish you could write this comment as a stand alone underneath my video so more people can see it! You’re so spot on Sis! It’s been extremely frustrating to say the least! I thought I was doing something wrong too but I wasn’t. I’d love to create a group to help those who are struggling come together so we can all help each other. Would that be helpful for you? 💖

[@ossier2796]

We have to use what our hair needs, individually. Shelly I’m sick of people being canceled you are sharing your personal experience, you’re not telling anyone else what to do. It’s okay. ❤

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you so very much Ossie! Seriously, thank you from the bottom of my heart!!! ❤

[@Cliff2fs]

You are brave, beloved and your feelings are more than valid. As I’ve shared with you, something in that methodology had my hair behaving oddly: webbing almost immediately after being cut and adverse length retention. It’s so unfortunate that you’re being torn down and bullied for speaking YOUR truth and sharing YOUR experience without ever knocking or bashing anyone else. No one should ever be above critique. Appreciate you and all you bring to the community!

[@shelly.v.247]

😭♥️🙏🏽 Thank you beyond words Cliff for your love, support and extremely kind words! ♥️💯 Something is off with their methodology and I wish they would take the egos out of it and tweak their recommendations. Like I said in the video, I appreciate the work they’ve done in our community. However, if several people are saying they are having issues then it warrants being looked into. I’m just so glad we know better now. 🙌🏽

[@joybanks4974]

I remember someone in SeeSomeCurls didn't like her ends after getting curly cuts. It was suggested to first cut on blown out hair in order to address split ends, and then afterward, have your stylist CCS your hair and cut it again for shape.

[@shelly.v.247]

I think that’s an excellent suggestion and should be implemented for most getting them. ♥️🙏🏽

[@dabneytracey]

I think so too. Curly cuts have their place and can be effective but it’s definitely not a one size fits all. I’m a Curl Specialist as well but I don’t do just do curly cuts exclusively. Sometimes it’s hybrid ~Blow dry / curly cuts

[@mscoolbee]

Thank you for this!! Like I stated on several of Rosie’s videos, my hair was NOT thriving! I was told by the curl stylist NOT to use leave ins and deep conditioners! I could not understand why I had so much hair shed whenever I washed my hair! I got my hair cut on blown out and wore a protective style for two months! I went back to wearing a wash n go. However, I used a leave in and a deep conditioner. I saw less shedded hair in the shower. So for me, leave ins and deep conditioners work for me.

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome Sis! I truly believe taking out deep conditioners, and leave-ins has had a tremendous and negative impact on my hair. 😑 There are so many others including yourself who have been sharing their experiences and it’s right in line with what Rosie and I have been sharing. I’m so glad you have made an adjustment to your hair care routine so that your hair can begin to truly thrive again! Lastly, thank you so very much for all, your love and support. It is greatly appreciated‼️💖💯

[@tonyabarber7786]

Whew, I can't say enough how much I appreciate you and all of the others for speaking out about this. Watching these videos made me realize I'm not going crazy, my hair definitely changed after a couple of curly cuts (and it didn't change for the better 😔). I hate that so many of us are having to repair this damage. Thank you for always speaking your truth! 💜

[@shelly.v.247]

♥️🙏🏽

[@dabneytracey]

I thought they were great in some of their education but this was one thing I couldn’t ( especially knowing the benefits of them) omit was leave in and deep conditioning treatment . That’s just as essential the the health of the as cleansing & conditioning. The hair behavior and FEEL lets you know when it hydrate. They always say dry hair isn’t a feeling. I’m like YES IT IS. That mindset was so ridiculous to me especially from 2 curl specialist….but their large following and faithful community seem to be getting good results so I though maybe it was working for them

[@thingsilove18]

I'm glad you are emphasizing that it Aishia and not Aeleise. Definitely noticed that too.

[@shelly.v.247]

Yes, I had to because I actually think Aeliese is more kind and wants to fix things. Aishia on the other hand is just not the nicest person and I don’t understand why??? I feel bad for her because I think it bothers her when people publicly say they think she’s abrasive. Lastly, I think Aishia is gonna be the downfall of BGC & CIK because of her not so nice attitude and approach. I know several curlies who left See Some Curls due to all that I just stated above. Btw, I know it’s wrong to speculate about people but these are my honest thoughts about Aishia. 😔

[@ArethaRenee]

@@shelly.v.247She put out a video today about how she doesn’t care if people don’t like her. That’s a sign that it actually bothers her. A few years ago when I was looking for a curl artist, I came across her page and didn’t go with her because something was off putting about her. I watched a few videos where she was complaining about clients. That’s not professional. The stylist I chose instead confirmed my feeling about her, as well as my current stylist.

[@antoinettefarrior6128]

This!!!! I found her attitude downright unprofessional and her tone ALWAYS acerbic.

[@plee6223]

I don’t believe BGC wants to acknowledge their flaws. Clearly their methodology needs an update. This is okay. Organizations do this all the time. People would respect them more, if they showed an ability to improve their methodology.

[@shelly.v.247]

Preach!!!!! Perfectly stated and I agree‼️💯

[@DeeDeeKarol]

They are frauds

[@TiaMcHugh]

Sis, I canceled my subscription with BGC and the SSC in April. I had been subscribing since October of 2022. I also thought the dryer was too harsh. I only dried for 30 minutes and top and front of my hair was always so “Dry”. My stylist gave me a straight cut and a deep cleaning and deep conditioning treatment in April and my hair was wonderful. I have since then added my deep conditioner once a week and my leave in every wash day (I wash twice a week). I’m so glad you shared and was our voice. Thank you.

[@shelly.v.247]

Yup exactly Sis! I just found never wrap my head around the hooded dryer and it being okay for such long periods of time without a leave-in. There’s even a well known CIK that I asked during a live about it and she said it could definitely burn the hair! After that I asked in BGC again and was told no it could not. So I just decided to air on the side of caution and bought a new one 😆 I wasn’t ready to let go that I was told it was okay and wouldn’t harm my hair. Eventually I pretty much stopped using it. I might start using it again now that I’m using a leave-in but I’m still a little nervous about it. 😅 Anyway, I’m so glad your are listening to what your hair needs. I also thank you for sharing your experience with us! ♥️💯

[@MrsBingMajor]

Sis…you are so strong. I don’t know too many people who have the courage to make this type video. I’ve seen the rudeness, even towards other professionals like Adwoa’s founder. I don’t care how good you are, turning a blind eye to the disrespect of other black woman is too high of a price to pay. In support of you and all of our other sisters, I will unfollow BGC on all social media platforms. Keep shining, I love your energy 🌹

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you so very much Sis! 🥺♥️🙏🏽

[@Finetextureglow]

To adwoa's founder ? What happened😳 must have missed that

[@shelly.v.247]

@@Finetextureglow Me too and I’m nosey and want to know now! 👀😆

[@esthertjones]

I absolutely love that while some stylists are preaching that using leave-ins will destroy the longevity of your set, that you are out here, boldly proving them wrong! 👏🏼👏🏼 It sucks and doesn't make sense to me that they went after you in particular so hard, when as you mentioned, other people have publicly shared their negative experiences with the BGC methods, but I'm glad you've been able to firmly stand on your truth. Behind you 100%!!

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you Sis‼️😭🙏🏽 I stand firm in my belief that my hair has been compromised following some of their methods and definitely the curly cuts! The only way we can get better is if we share our experiences both good and bad! I will continue to speak my truth in hopes that it helps someone else avoid the pitfalls in this methodology! Thank you again for listening and uplifting me while it navigate these crazy waters! 🤗💖😘

[@tmcurly]

One thing I noticed is that by not using leave in the wash and go looked stiff IMO. Ciciloveshair used to talk about this all the time. The leave in makes the wash and go more natural looking and plum !! Xx

[@tmcurly]

Plump* not plum 😬….xx

[@shavonnedavis448]

@tmcurly Yessss, she's one of my favorites! Has some of the prettiest WNG's on the whole internet. And she regularly uses steam, deep conditioner and even leave in depending on what the client hair needs. She also takes time hydrating the hair at the bowl.

[@1blessedladie]

You definitely have a great point about sitting under a high heat hooded dryer, and with no leave-in! OMG. No wonder my hair would feel so dry in the crown and front of my hair. I'm never doing that again.

[@shelly.v.247]

Exactly!! I really feel like it’s really had a negative impact on my hair because prior to omitting leave-ins and deep conditioners I didn’t have these issues. I really want to kick myself for not listening to my inner tuition because it was screaming this is wrong the entire time! I just felt bad questioning the experts (even though I tried too several times) over this last chunk of time. 😓

[@Finetextureglow]

Honestly this coulda been a good opportunity for BGC to reach a new audience of those of us not yet on their course, they honestly handled this poorly. There is no shame in admitting that hair care is not a one size fits all, but they instead wanna box everyone into a single category It honestly feels like they feel threatened their whole empire is gonna tumble,when in reality it wouldn't have because alot of the fundamentals they teach are pure common sense, for instance simplifying your routine and investing in proper cleansing practices Truly sad how you and rosie are being vilified for speaking your truth and it doesn't help when some of their minions who are not privy to the entire conversation drop comments under y'all videos basically saying y'all damaged your own hair

[@shelly.v.247]

You said a word here‼️♥️💯

[@Lisa-tf8xz]

Shelly thank you. I absolutely love you. I did the same thing and followed to a T Black Girl Curl and Elaine. The process was great until I noticed my scalp itching from I believe the AG shampoo. I now use it sparingly not weekly. 26:24 I just want to say 1 size does not fit all. I wear my hair blonde have never had breakage in 25 plus years bc of color. I feel my hair being dry from the technique has broken my hair in areas. My hair needs and thrives on moisture which I have gone back to some of my old regimens to fix my issues. I thank you for sharing your experience. Don’t stop bc you keep me laughing because you are genuine and just sharing 💕🙏🏽. God Bless

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww I’m sorry you’re dealing with issues with your hair too Sis! It’s so dang frustrating to say the least!! My hair thrives on and love’s moisture too. So I’ve also gone back to things that work for my hair plus a few additional things to mitigate the damage.🙏🏽 Lastly, thank you so very much for following me. I truly appreciate your love and support!💖

[@Simsimma007]

Totally understand where you are coming from. I asked a question on the same platform you mentioned regarding a product they mentioned but had coconut oil which was against their methodology. Their response contradicted their methodology. My take away is do what works for me and I have an amazing stylist who has me on the right path.

[@shelly.v.247]

Yeah I think you gotta do exactly that and partner up with a good stylist! 🥰💯

[@hiddencurls]

I don’t know where the heck I’ve been because I am just hearing about this, this week. I thought I was trippin because I was experiencing something similar, webbing, shedding, etc. and brought this to my stylists attention and I have since got a cut and tweaked my regimen by adding back in my leave in conditioner, and deep conditioner. I personally believe that everything is not for everybody and the teachings are not a one size fits all because everyone’s hair requires something different. I noticed a big difference in my hair in January when my stylist gave me the Olaplex treatment and I thought it was the Olaplex because my hair has not been right since. So when I went for my maintenance in June I told my stylist to cut my hair not trim but give me a cut at which time she blew it out and cut it. Since then I have changed my regimen (started back with my deep conditioning and leave in conditioners) One thing for sure, you have to do what works for you! Thanks again! Hang in there sis. I can see this is bothering you but this too shall pass. No one should be bullied because they are speaking what they are experiencing with their hair. I will definitely be discussing my new regimen on my channel. And directing my viewers to yours in case they are experiencing the same thing. We have to enlighten each other. Thanks again. Peace & Blessings.

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts and experiences Sis! 💖💯 It’s important that we hear from each other and know that these are not isolated experiences. Also, good for you for speaking up and getting your issues addressed. It sounds like you have a wonderful stylist you’re partnered up with! 😍 I look forward to seeing your upcoming content on this matter and I look forward to supporting you as well! Stay blessed and encouraged! ~Shelly 💖

[@Ambrolysha]

I really appreciate your transparency and truth. I have been following BGCs for a little while. I have yet to subscribe to the program due to other priorities but made small changes in the things I had seen online and small tips they had given. I had every intention of purchasing, however, one thing that always bothered me and was Aisha's tone and delivery. She's been outright rude to people in her lives and it really turned me off. The second thing was the two times I tried to do a washngo without leave-in. My hair felt like straw the next day and i've been a botanical gel, no butters, oils, etc, washngo natural for YEARS! When I added water to my hair it still felt like straw so I went back to my tried and true of leave-in and gel. I've been noticing some of the same issues with my hair upon purchasing a hooded dryer and have already resumed my previous routine. I understand everything doesn't work for everyone and I'm happy for those that found success. However it's just not for me. I'm not surprised that they cancelled the live and it's unfortunate because I think this would have been a great opportunity to address these questions so many have and reached a new audience.

[@shelly.v.247]

I think at the end of the day it’s not a one size fits all and we just need to do what works for our own hair. It sounds like that’s exactly what you’re doing too and I love that for you! 🙌🏽💖 Also, thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences. It’s helpful to hear from others and know this isn’t an isolated situation. 💖

[@cheryll.g.6958]

I think this is one of the most concise, well said explanations of the BGC methods. After more than a year, I have gone back to regular deep conditioning and using a light layer of leave ins. I've never been a fan of oil and butter, so I never missed that. I'm a fan of Narada also, and he's been very thorough with how he educates us. I'm so sorry you've gone through this and so glad you're speaking up about it. I currently am choosing to wear my hair short due to graying and hormonal changes. But what i have left feels so much better now than last year. Thank you for being so open.

[@shelly.v.247]

My pleasure Sis! My hair definitely feels better too. I also was never big on raw oils or butters so I totally understand that part too. I’m encouraged to hear how your hair has improved so de re-implementing leave-ins and deep conditioners! Thank you for sharing your experience and speaking up about it. 💖

[@rosieamelia5955]

Thank you for sharing Shelly it’s a very hard and touchy subject! Hopefully it will be helpful to those who have similar experiences! And I am with you in that it’s much more easier to share positive aspects than share when something has negatively affected your hair! I also have noted since sharing my final experience on this issue that we need to keep doing what works for our individual head of hair! Get yourself a good clarifying shampoo that what most individuals lack in their routine! It’s very simple Shampoo, condition and style how we desire and if that process works keep doing it! If you enjoy prepoo keep doing it! Just do what works and is best for our individual head of hair! I noticed most people who have had success have in a sense not really been doing the method they have returned to deep conditioning and using leave in! The one hour routine is called that because we are simplifying that routine cutting certain steps from our Wash day (pre poo, deep conditioning and leave in) I have since taken this as a learning experience! We are never too old to learn!

[@shelly.v.247]

Preach! 🙌🏽 Yes, I certainly hear you loud and clear and will moving forward very differently with my hair! Thank you for being brave and sharing your truth as well. I know first hand that it’s not easy AT ALL! ♥️💯

[@Tricelanette4]

Shelly, I certainly feel your pain/genuine concern. As women our hair means a great deal to us. India Arie says “I’m not my hair”. Yeah, until it’s all jacked up… We’re all on these social media forms doing the same thing the next chic is doing ….trying to learn our hair and look good. I tuned those 2 characters out when they first came on the scene. They showed up in my KZbin recommendations so l clicked and was so turned off by their cockiness that I couldn’t look at them…I could only listen and then that became unbearable. I did however, listen to many others that gave advice from them and I was definitely following BGC’s rules. Fast forward….2years in(NO OILS,NO BUTTERS,NO CREAMS,NO DEEP COND,NO LEAVE INS AND 2 CURLY CUTS) by BGC trained stylist…..IM A MESS!! Dry Velcro ends, web hair not holding, Frizziness…I use good products…AG shampoo/Hair Bath,AG Cond/Innersense Cond…UFD,ICH at the advice of my stylist. SMDH. I didn’t want to believe you and Rosie(my apologies)But I knew it was something not adding up. I’m back to deep conditioning,using leave ins, using different moisturizing shampoo and no curly cuts….I don’t think I’m ready for any stylist right now….my hair is starting to have life again after only 3 weeks…You have my upmost respect for speaking out and confirming what we all know is true💕

[@1GoldenBreeze]

You have to speak your truth, and no one should make you feel bad about that. Your experience is yours and based on what I've seen, you are not the only one who had a similar experience. Be encouraged and keep doing what is best for your hair. Since I was curious I signed up for See Some Curls for a month a year or so ago. I follow a very similar hair care method as what BGC promotes, however, I've never removed leave-in. Even though I don't deep condition often, I know my hair so I do a true deep condition with heat when it needs it maybe a few times a year. I'm more likely to use a deep conditioner as a rinse-out conditioner. I don't use raw oils, butter, or grease. My scalp can't handle sitting under a hooded dryer so I always diffuse or air dry. I wear my hair long it's currently TBL so I didn't have an interest in a curly cut for shape. My hair is cut straight across the bottom while in a blowout. It seems those small differences may make a big difference in how healthy the hair is.

[@shelly.v.247]

Yes it’s all about knowing your hair and adjusting what works etc. Sounds like you have it down for yourself! 💖🙌🏽

[@1GoldenBreeze]

@@shelly.v.247 I think you do also now that you know the parts that don't work for your hair.👏

[@shelly.v.247]

Exactly Sis!

[@kearstenw3855]

You haven't done anything wrong Shelly. You have every right to express your feelings and views on a service that was provided in which you paid for. So I'm glad that you are continuing to speak up and not backing down because of the pressure. Trust me the truth will always prevail! ❤

[@kimberlydrakeford7517]

I would like to thank you so much for your honesty! I've been to the point of almost no return recently. I went to get a hair assessment and ended up having to get 3.5 inches cut off. The damage was ridiculous. I never thought being natural would be so confusing and so much work. It really is difficult to share negative experiences without getting "Cyber jumped!" It should never happen. It's just unnecessary! We should be a loving community that helps one another. We're all on this natural hair journey together! Nothing, but thanks coming from here! Blessings and favor Sis❤

[@shelly.v.247]

Ugh I’m so sorry 😞 I a know it’s so frustrating and such an emotional thing to go through Sis! 🥺 I’m curious, what made you go get your hair assessed? Were you having issues? Also, thank you for your love and support. It’s always appreciated but especially right now!!!! ♥️🙏🏽🥰

[@kimberlydrakeford7517]

Hi! Yes, I was having so many tangles, fairy knots, and combing out quite a bit of hair. I wash my hair 2x weekly because it just doesn't do well with 1x week. I went to my hair stylist that I've been going to for over 15 years, and after blowing it out with warm low heat, she showed me the actual damage. I couldn't really see the damage when it was curly. I only see it when I would do a twistout on the ends. I would clip the thin strands then, but it didn't make much difference.

[@six7929]

you posted your pictures 12:07 and it looks EXACTLY like my hair. I never ever had these problems before but now I do and it's gotten worse after my first curly cut when I thought it would improve my hair! even worse , I dyed it last year so I think its just gotten too dry. after I wash my conditioner out my hair feels rough and EXTREMELY stripped, even if it's wet. now im going to take a step back from diffusing and no leave-ins and go back to it. and im not a big fan of UFD. never used to use gels. just been seeing so many vids of ppl w the same experiences as me since yesterday. thank you so much for this video.

[@shelly.v.247]

Ugh I’m so sorry Sis 😑 I know your frustration all too well! However, I want you to be encouraged because now you have an idea of what’s happening. You also know that it’s not in your head and that you’re not alone in it either! I’m not a cosmetologist but based off what you just shared I’d ask my stylist about adding in K18, Olaplex, DC & a leave-in. Especially due to the color!!! I’m thankful we found each other and you felt comfortable sharing your experience so others know these are not isolated issues. 🙏🏽 Stay uplifted and encouraged because we will help each other get through this!!! ~Shelly 💖

[@selenejones7668]

Shelly, Shelly, Shelly- your posts in See Some Curls were informative, motivating and often funny. I’ve watched from a far as things blew up. I’ll keep it brief! I am so happy that you found a way to speak your truth. I’m also sorry you went through the hair changes and the blowback. It has to be incredibly disheartening. When I imagine what it might feel like to be in your shoes? Let’s just say that I’d have “strong feelings.” I’m still following the BGC philosophy and my hair is doing well after almost 2 years. But pls know I respect your path, as you respect mine. And the cult-like reaction I saw towards you? It doesn’t sit well with me. My eyes are open and curious now. I will continue to watch your videos and roll with BGC until or unless my hair tells me, “Hey- I need something else!” It might be a leave in but I highly doubt it’ll ever be an oil/butter. Keep being yourself and moving forward. 🙏🏽😉❤

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww thank you Selene! 💖 You know I love laughing, being silly and having fun! When things are going great I say it and I feel obligated as a wanna be influencer. 😅 Can I just say that I truly appreciate you not unfollowing me or canceling me because you are still following the full BGC’s methodology! ♥️🙏🏽 There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that either! If it works for you than keep doing it. I just would highly recommend you assess your hair periodically. But of course it’s your hair and you should always do what works for your hair. I seriously can’t thank you enough for approaching what I’m sharing with an open mind and heart. Sharing this hasn’t been very easy! 😓 Thank you Sis! ♥️💯

[@selenejones7668]

You’re very welcome! But never believe you didn’t make a difference! - The highlights I was gonna get on Friday? Nope! - Will proceed with curly cut (or lose all the $$) - Gonna chat with my stylist about these curly cuts on Friday 🙃 - ALSO reaching out to AfrikanGod’s studio to see when it would be wise to have the assessment. Eyes are OPENED and I live in Atlanta! 👀🫣😂

[@edgedoutbeauty9146]

​@@selenejones7668 hi there! Did you have the assessment? How did it go?

[@1922mistyblue]

Your truth is helping so many people 🎉

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you Sis! I appreciate you!💖

[@harmonious.balance]

One more thing...while I know BGC response was not supportive, I do believe their eyes have been opened. They may not publicly admit it, but I really want to believe they will address it all behind the scenes. Only time will tell. In the mean time take heart. Through all of my comments to you and Rosie, I want to see everyone succeed. This too shall pass and thankfully you have what you need to move forward in your hair journey. Keep your head up!

[@shelly.v.247]

Once again I agree with you. I think they are listening even though they say they are not. Well if they are smart which I feel they are, I pray they are listening!!! I can’t wait until this passes and we are on to happier days! ♥️🙏🏽

[@Neesha242]

Well they replied to me on instagram and it was in a different way than normal. I’m not for sure which one of them wrote me, but it wasn’t like how they usual reply, but they still were in denial and stuck in their ways with their methods, but they weren’t as rude this time. There might be just a little change. I think they need to listen to their clients more and maybe listen to other professionals hairstyles with opposite opinions and methods from them

[@Neesha242]

They are still stuck on the elements of hair and saying some people hair doesn’t have a shine. Well honestly natural hair has a sheen to it when properly moisturized. People can repair their hair it might take a while form some. Oils can actually help repair hair. I’m a example of someone who thought my hair couldn’t be shiny and thought it looking dull was how it was suppose to be. My hairstylists got me right and showed and told me my hair has potential to be healthy and moisturize

[@pmbrownslb]

Shelley, I just want to say I truly appreciate your honesty in this video. I have not been a fan of black girl curls for some of the very reasons that you mentioned. I feel like they want to bully black women into excepting that this is your hair and this I feel like they give us miss information on as far as not using the vans and deep conditioners And I just feel like they have built a whole brand that is extremely profitable for them and it’s all about making money for them. It’s not about helping us learn our hair it’s not about helping black women thrive. It’s about making sure that they are brand thrives, and that they are making money, but again I would just like to say I truly appreciate this video and I will definitely pray for your strength

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww thank you so very much Sis! 🥹💖🙏🏽 I feel you 💯on everything you said too‼️‼️‼️

[@devonhoward333]

I can't believe you're being treated this way for simply asking questions. This is so disheartening! Thank you for being transparent and sharing your hair journey. If it weren't for you, Rosie and AfrikanHairGod I would've still been struggling with my wash n gos and frustrated. I would've never got my ends assessed and got a proper cut. It's really a shame they refuse to take any accountability in this. Many women are having these issues and they don't seem to have much desire to get to the root of the problem. It's just completely our fault apparently even though most of us are diligently following their recommendations... At the end of the day I chose to follow their methodology because I thought it would give me the desired results I wanted (healthy long hydrated coils). Unfortunately, it didn't work that way for me. Now I'm making the decisions best for my hair. Sending love to you!

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you for your love and support Sis! 💖 We all just need to do what’s right for our own individual heads of hair. I’m definitely doing stuff differently from cuts to products! 💯

[@Trinarenee73]

I truly hate to see you cry over this. You have definitely made me look at BGC in a different light. And I hate that Aliese wouldn’t have the conversation live with you. That would have helped a lot of us curly girls but don’t let it get you down. The way you have explained everything in this video truly opened my eyes. The way BGC treated you have put a very nasty taste in my mouth and I don’t know if I’m gonna continue supporting their platforms but I’m definitely gonna keep supporting yours.

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww I appreciate you sis! They have given some really good info and insight into our hair. I just feel it isn’t a one size fits all deal. I thank you for your love & support‼️💖

[@creamycazz1]

Omg first & foremost, thank you so much Shelly for speaking up on this! You are braver than you know. Woooooo I have so many thoughts on this!!! I think I’ll have to DM you b/c there’s so much to say. But I’ll start by saying you have a supporter in me. I’ve been watching AfrikanHairGod’s videos which brought me over to you. I’ll be watching Rosie’s next. I never fully subscribed to BGC (as in I have never paid for any of their “education”, etc..) and literally have only had curly cuts done twice however, the very next wash day after each one, my hair was always a tangled mess! I couldn’t understand how this could happen literally right after a fresh cut! That’s when I quickly realized that these cuts weren’t working for me. I sought out a stylist in my city who does natural hair but doesn’t subscribe to CIK or any of the “curly girl” methodologies.. and now in my late 30s, my 4c hair is down my back. It’s the absolute longest that it’s ever been in my life. I use deep conditioners, leave-ins are a must! And I even use a light amount of Sulfur 8 on my scalp- so yes even hair grease! Lol I get my hair blown out each time I get a trim, which is every 3 months for accuracy and to cut out any “dead ends” or possible damage (which is none since this is the only time I use heat). I’m trying to understand why with these curly cuts, BGC is not encouraging true hair health and LENGTH at all?! No DCs and leave- ins at all?!?!? It’s all been very strange to me. They are very cult-like and the snarky attitude I feel like is what “puts ppl in their place” so that no one questions them or is afraid to. I think it’s all been a part of the plan. There’s literally a white/Hispanic stylist on here by the name “Blowout Professor” and even he uses leave-ins and oils on his white clientele! So if straight hair needs it, what does that tell us about textured hair? He actually believes that in all of haircare, leave-ins are single-handedly the most important product. You should check out his page. Anyway, I’m willing to send a DM to them as well but idk how effective it’ll be if I never was a full on member.. I would just watch their lives & stuff out of curiosity to see what they were feeding to the ppl. So sry that it’s caused damage for you and others. This reminds of the DevaCurl scandal when Stephanie Mero (@thecurlninja) was the main one speaking up and became the face of the movement. For those who have paid good money to BGC only to be deceived (possibly on purpose to keep ppl coming back!), I smell a lawsuit coming.

[@shelly.v.247]

Okay too crazy but I literally just found the Blowout Professor the other day and sent some of my curl friends one of his videos. It’s the one where he’s saying a the right soulmate shampoo, leave in and oil are the things we need. But that leave in is the MOST important hair care product! Also, thank you for your comment and sharing everything you write. It’s greatly appreciated and well received!!! I’d love to hear more from just so please feel free to hit me up in the DM’s on instagram. 💖

[@Theekimpeccable]

Sharing your story will help plenty of people. I fully agree that many people don’t speak up because they don’t want to rub folk the wrong way. Many of us were convinced we had the holy grail and couldn’t understand what was happening. Some may be too embarrassed to admit the grail ain’t holy. My hair thanks you for sharing because it’s been so different since I implemented moisturizing products.

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you Sis! I agree with you 💯‼️ It’s scary and very uncomfortable to speak up. I also thank you for also speaking up that day! You are a real one too!!!! ♥️🙌🏽♥️

[@TrishtheNatural]

Great video Shelly. I think it’s commendable that you shared your experience about this matter. Your followers watch you not only to see your beautiful hair but to gain insight and knowledge from your natural hair journey… that includes the good and the bad. Your transparency is appreciated 🥰

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you so very much Trish! I wish this wasn’t my experience and that this video was about something completely different. But it was be wrong of me to knowingly be going through this and keep it hidden. 😓 Also, I’ll be forever thankful for my kind curl friends like you who show up for me in both the good and the bad times! I truly appreciate you Sis and I just want you to know it! ♥️

[@rachelk4914]

Hi Shelly, I just started watching and wanted to say you are not crazy. I was subscribed to see some curls for awhile. Even though they had 2 leave in conditioner/gel systems listed on their “curated” list, I rarely if ever saw anyone using a leave in/gel system. all I ever saw anyone use is uncle funkys and I create hold. I almost feel like the leave in is listed just so bgc can drop any responsibilities for the choices made.

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you so much!! I feel like they are trying to slowly recant their stance now that some are sharing their unfavorable experiences. Before I got blocked I noticed they deleted some of their post where they were poking fun of people who had started using deep conditioners again. 😓

[@rachelk4914]

And Aishia most definitely deleted her live admitting that she’s not retaining length!

[@natashataylor881]

Hello! Thank you so much for sharing your story. As one of many people who had a difficult time speaking up in the Black Girl Curls community, I thank you and Rosie for speaking up. I have tried curly cuts and they do not work for me. I have my hair blowout and cut every 6-8 weeks. When I style my hair at home, I use a leave in with any styler- I have noticed a difference for the better. Again, thank you for sharing and speaking up 🙏🙏

[@shelly.v.247]

It’s our pleasure Sis! It definitely isn’t easy but necessary! I also appreciate you sharing your experience with us over here. It’s important for our other curl friends to hear from all of us so they can make an informed decision in either direction! 💖💯

[@natashataylor881]

@@shelly.v.247 Agreed 👍 I will try to share when I can.

[@yvonnejimenez9192]

I thank you for your channel. I thank you for your voice and courage. Most of all I thank you for being you. Your spirit seems kind, sweet, and funny. People turn away from and shut down what they fear and lack in themselves. All of what you said I experienced myself with my hair! I thought it was just me… Thanks again for your insight.

[@shelly.v.247]

Wow, thank you for sharing that I’m not crazy either! So many of us are having this same experience. So frustrating! 😓

[@SicaDeero]

I appreciate you for this! It’s important for us to be transparent. For so many years we in the natural hair community blindly followed KZbinrs and their hair routine. It’s important to point out the issues AND you are definitely NOT the only one to experience this

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome and well said Sis! It’s crazy how many are coming out and speaking up about their own experiences now! I hear some say their hair is fine but way more say it isn’t. What I’m finding is it’s sometimes hard to see something is wrong with your hair until you really take a good look at it. Or if you’ve noticed any of the issues we’ve been openly discussing (hard to detangle hair, webbing, Velcro ends, thinning, split ends and dryness etc) you might not know. It’s just so frustrating! 🥺

[@adriennekennedy4987]

Hi Shelley , I think there is a level of immaturity with the founders of Black Girl Curls. When you put yourself and your ideas out there, you have to be able to take criticism. They have a method that does work for some but not for every head of hair. I think your hair is beautiful. At the end of the day, we all have to figure out what is best for our hair. We cannot follow someone's method blindly without accessing the method and figuring out if it is working for YOUR hair..

[@shelly.v.247]

Well stated Sis and so very true! When I found them I was fairly new to being natural again. I had been natural in the early 2000’s but so much has changed now. So many different products and suggestions out there. So it was amazing to come across this a platform where people with our type of hair were being educated on how to care for our curly natural hair! 🙌🏽 However, I quickly learned how abrasive the energy could be at times. I can’t tell you how many LIVES I sat and watched and heard people get talked down too. 🥺 It got to a point that I unsubscribed because it was so bothersome to me. I felt there was little to no room for anyone to give any critical feedback and it be received well. When that happens it just shuts people down. Btw, I had an experience in SSC where it happened to me as well. So I am speaking from first hand experience. Anyway, you didn’t ask for all that 👀🤣 Thank you for your comment and for allowing me to share as well. I appreciate you Fren‼️💖💯

[@kmac3110]

Love your videos!! Thank you for sharing your truth and not allowing ANYONE to silence you no matter how hard it might be. You are a role model to those hesitant to speak up and stand up for what they believe in. Thank you! ❤

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you so very much Sis! 🙏🏽♥️😭 It’s important for others to be able to make an informed decision. It’s hard to do that unless we speak up to and share not only the great things but also the not so good things. Not easy to do, that’s for sure! Also thank you for your response and for your supportive and kind words ‼️💖

[@kimberlywright7959]

Thank you! When I began the BGC Method I thought I was having bad hair days. Then I thought I was using the wrong products. My hair was behaving very funky and not holding the style I wanted. I realized I needed to use the one particular leave in that makes my hair feel and look beautiful. Once, I saw the difference I went back to leave in conditioner to tame my curls and hairstyle. I appreciate you fully ❤

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome and I hope by us sharing our experiences it helps others too! 💖🙏🏽

[@corbett2912]

I enjoyed your video. Natural since 2010. Funny thing is that I don’t know these people you are speaking about, so obviously, my hair has not been damaged by their methods. I make my butters that I love and use. I use leave ins and oil. My hair is very fine so I like to mini braid and make different styles from them. My hair is half way my back though I liked it at all lengths along the way. I am not yet subscribed to your channel. I looked you up because someone I do follow said they felt bad about what you are going through, and I was curious as to what that was. Now I know and I am glad I don’t know these people. I watched other of your more recent videos, and it appears you have progressed hair wise and mentally. I am so glad. I'm just getting acquainted, but I love the way you speak on the videos I watched. Keep being yourself. You appear to be such a great person who temporarily went down the wrong path. It happens. This, too, shall pass.😊

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww thank you so very much and I hope one day I can earn your trust and have you join our little community we are growing. 💖 Also I’m thankful for the opportunity to reflect and try and to better. This has been a very difficult and emotional situation to navigate. However, I am glad that the focus is now on the solutions and not the problems. 💖🙏🏽

[@biancam2327]

I went through the same thing follow this method..the curly cut ruined my hair to where i had to cut off so many inches, the just gel worked for a while and thn my hair started feeling like hay..i moved to florida and the humidity didnt help with this method either .i have since scratched this method and stared using oils and deep conditioners again..and not having a much breakage.also stlcrapped that innersense gel..it truly dried my hair out

[@shelly.v.247]

Sounds like we are twins! 👀🫣🤣 How’s your hair doing now Sis? 💖🙏🏽

[@biancam2327]

@shelly.v.247 Doing much better! I also started sealing with an oil again and my hair is not breaking off everytime I touch it like it was before with using their method..thank you for calling attention to this as more people should be aware and not fall into the hype.

[@shelly.v.247]

@@biancam2327 I’m so happy to hear that Luv! I’m right there with you!!! ♥️💯

[@madih473]

Yep Innersense dried out my hair, unfortunately I didn’t understand how a gel could be causing so much breakage. Plus, I wasn’t deep conditioning, my hair became so damaged.

[@shelly.v.247]

@@madih473 It’s wild how many of us have been affected by all of this! I’m thankful we have each other and have started to figure it all out and being to fix it! 🙌🏽💯

[@CoilyCode]

“I just do what Jesus says. I tell the truth.” 😅 it’s amazing how soft society has gotten and we have to constantly give disclaimers to avoid people who will get offended anyway. 😂 great video and well spoken!

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you Sis! 💖

[@sherwood9917]

Shelly and Rosie, their egos and arrogance may not allow them to directly address your legitimate concerns. However, I think you two are making a difference. For the first time ever, I saw one of them discuss a leave-in on their Instagram page. They are addressing it in a stealthy way to not directly acknowledge the concerns.. I remember when one of them ridiculed people for asking about leave-ins. Yesterday, she was talking about the difference between a leave-in and a washout conditioner.

[@shelly.v.247]

Well maybe that’s their way of addressing the concerns and making changes 🤷🏽‍♀️ It would be nice to have the concerns he openly acknowledged and discussed. I’m sure we would all appreciate the dialogue! Thank you for your comment Sis! Very enlightening! 💖

[@sherwood9917]

@@shelly.v.247 Oh, I completely agree: the approach is beyond cowardice because mature and responsible business owners would address it directly, openly and respectfully.

[@misstonyia9075]

So sorry about yourbexperience. I have experienced the same with retaining length. My hair was longer without the curly cut. Going to get my first blow to analyze my ends based on your video. Thanks for sharing. Plus I am tired of the rules. Love how you go from a bob to curls. Enjoy your healthy hair journey.

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww thank you Sis and I pray your hair is okay! 💖🙏🏽

[@TJ-kf6by]

Shelly, you are doing what is needed. Questions are always allowed. This is how we learn. Continue to be you!

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you so very much, Sis! 🥰 I agree with you, asking questions, how we grow, and learn!💯

[@tasliymahtoomer8688]

Whewww this is my first time finding your page and I did a deep dive on your videos because I was arguing about not needing oils and butters with the lady Aisha and felt like she had some points but was missing vital info for us kinky girlies. I even tried the method for a month and immediately said nah this hair need some fats 😂. I also continued watching her videos but never liked the fact that her hair looked so dry so I just knew her facts needed fact checking… but I’m sorry you had to go thru all of these experiences to get back to healthy hair. There definitely needs to be a convo around what may be good for one is not good some or more and how to navigate those differences. This one size fits all type of approach is causing women especially black women to lose or damage their hair. I hope all is well with you and your hair journey to date and beyond. Peace Queen ❤

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I’m glad you added them “fats”🤣 back in too! It’s been a very long and hard road to get to this point and I’m honestly ready to just leave it where it’s at. If people do their research, they should be able to find these videos and make an informed decision for themselves 💯🙏🏽

[@psr076]

Thank you Shelly for speaking out ! What's dissapointing was their response on issues people are having with their method. I agree with everything you said (you assesment of the stylist), It's a shame that you got bullyied by followers because your having and questionning. I have issues since February \ March and I was dilligent in the caring of my hair. The lack of using leave in and deep conditionning (more requently instead of doing it once a month) for we I'm sure are the reasons that I was experiencing difficulty detangling. Even if we were using gel with great ingredients (emollient and all) it's still gel... So back to using leave in under gel and more deep conditionning session and doing cut on blowout hair.

[@shelly.v.247]

Ugh I’m so sorry to hear that you are having issues with your hair too Sis! 😓 I truly personally believe it stems from the lack of DC & LI and the way the hair is cut. For my own personal head of hair it’s been very challenging to navigate. Thankfully, I finally feel like I’ve uncovered to culprits. 😅. So I have a sense of renewed hope! 🙌🏽 Thank you for sharing your experiences too. It’s helpful to know we can all help each other by sharing what’s working and what’s not. ♥️

[@psr076]

@@shelly.v.247 Exactly.. I'm back on track with my renew use of deep conditionner and leave in. I feel the difference (less tangles )

[@systiles]

Thank you Shelly you are amazing and your page is my go to for hair. I never subscribed to BGC I don’t like the way they talk to people and the way they shut people down when they have valid questions. You speak for all of us who don’t fit in their narrow box. Keep doing what you’re doing.

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome beautiful and thank you so very much for all of your very kind words! 😢💖. I appreciate them and you! 💖💯😘

[@AmbitiousBeautyXo]

Thank you for sharing your experience! In this climate, it takes bravery to share anything contrary to the trendy/popular narrative. I’m obviously late to the conversation, but I did see the BGC live that you are referring to and having no context at the time, it still felt nasty to me. They had some nerve to say that you could’ve DM’d them. First of all, you owe them nothing. Secondly, they are not welcoming ppl. You spoke to what many have experienced, but are too afraid to speak up with their reaction on that livestream being the very reason. I used the BGC method for three years and I noticed that length retention became little to none. I already had my reservations about curly cuts bc I couldn’t wrap my mind around how a curly cut could possibly clip all split ends. Nonetheless, I wanted to trust the process and now I have little to show for it. After making this observation, I decided to go back to getting trims on blown out or straightened hair (bc that’s what helped me retain length before) and I can tell by the feel of my hair that it’s helped significantly. I will say that I don’t think I had as much damage as some of the others who have tried the BGC method bc I rarely did WNGs since twist-outs are my go-to hairstyle. However, the damage could still be observed by my ends. I’ve also had to go back to deep conditioning every so often. Anyway… I guess we can take it as a lesson learned- chew the meat and spit out the bones! Absolutely shampoo regularly, but listen to your hair and trust that you know what has worked for your head of hair. Lastly, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Pun intended! 😉 *Edited to fix grammatical errors.

[@shelly.v.247]

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you’ve stated and thank you for your love and support! 💖 There are some who have just been nasty about Rosie and I sharing our experiences. Today one girl who I honestly believe is someone else if you catch my drift, said we deserved the damage to our hair and she’s glad we got blocked. 🤦🏽‍♀️ Anyway, I feel you on everything and I’m glad we are all openly talking about it so we can hopefully avoid an additional issues. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences too! 💖🤗

[@AmbitiousBeautyXo]

@@shelly.v.247 Wow, what a spiteful, and at the very least, mean thing to say! I catch your drift and unfortunately, I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case. Thank God it never went so far as them offering to “treat” your hair or troubleshoot the issues with you bc there’s no telling what they may have done. *edited for grammar.

[@GaDiva769]

I think the hooded dryer with some of those firm gels was not the business especially without a leave in. I got a little breakage at the crown and was like nah, this ain't it! I stopped using UFD without a leave in or didn't use it at all. Also ICH is a bit harsh to use all the time. I get great definition with Bee Girl Mousse and a leave in. 99% of the time, I put my leave in on and allow it to set a bit before going in with mousse or a styling product. I haven't had any trouble from the hooded dryer since then. ICH would have my hair CRISP at the crown lol. I really like the product but started modifying my usage of it.

[@shelly.v.247]

Spot on Sis! I’ve experienced a little breakage at the crown too. I swear the more we all speak up and talk about our experiences the more the dots get connected. So many similarities!!!!

[@ebonypainter9274]

I experienced breakage in my crown as well. I had to get 2 inches cut and my hair wasn’t that long to begin with .

[@esthertjones]

@@ebonypainter9274 That's probably what's causing the "baby crowns" 🫢

[@ebonypainter9274]

@@esthertjones exactly!! I didn’t have a baby crown before!! And I’ve had a “baby crown” for 2 years !!

[@kiratait9551]

@GADiva769 Thanks for sharing that tip on the bee girl mousse. Do you mind sharing what leave in you use that doesn’t flake?

[@Kloulock]

Hey Shelly! 👋As a relatively new subscriber to your channel, I want to thank you for sharing your personal thoughts and journey with us about your hair. In today's climate, your transparency is not only refreshing but enlightening and encouraging. I appreciate you and the content you bring. Until next time, continue to keep your head up Sis'. After all, that IS where our help comes from.😊

[@shelly.v.247]

First, thanks for subbing to your girls channel Sis! 😍🤗 Yes, I believe it’s important to share our experiences and learn through each other. Thank you for bringing an open mind to this topic! 💖🤗

[@charlene570]

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for choosing to share your experiences with us. I will be on Sally’s website tomorrow buying a leave in conditioner and I’m going to dust off my deep conditioning caps 😂 because this just explains all of my hair concerns.

[@shelly.v.247]

Girl, once I realized what was going on with my hair, and that I needed to add back in deep conditioner and leave-in, I ran to the store! 👀🫣🤣 I hope me sharing my journey helps you with yours. It takes all of us working together to get this hair, right‼️💖💯

[@nikkinicole1908]

Thank you for your voice and asking the hard questions. I noticed how "the blond one" from BGC spoke to one of the KZbinrs who did the 30 day detox and was turned off by her at that point. I never followed their method but can see how it might benefit some of our curl friends. I honestly think their program is an updated and revamped version of Lorraine Massey's curly girl method except Lorraine was all for using leave ins and drying hair in whatever manner you like.

[@shelly.v.247]

Interesting thoughts because I’ve heard similar things! 👀😅 My understanding is she was the original founder of the method. If so, I wish they had left in the leave-ins etc! 😆

[@p.e.5336]

Sorry you are having such a hard time with this situation 😢 I appreciate your courage and honesty! We will look back on this one day and express genuine gratitude for all who spoke up!❤

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you Luv! I truly believe that! 💖🙏🏽

[@starmaxx4]

Hey Shelly .. THANK YOU for this video! 🥰💙.. Most importantly thank you for sharing your experience and standing by what is best for you.. 💙

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome Luv! I truly appreciate you, your support and very kind words! ♥️💯😘

[@starmaxx4]

@@shelly.v.247 aawwhhh Curl Fren .. so happy I found your channel 🥰💙

[@earthyhealz3358]

I just have to say how incredibly thankful I am that I’ve stumbled upon AfriKan hair God you and Rosie. I did the hair detox when it first came out. My hair felt incredibly harsh with the products and it always felt dried out. Whenever I challenged Aiesha she was absolutely nasty! She was a real mean girl! I almost went to her too but something about her nasty attitude I just couldn’t get with it. I went back to basics started doing hot oil treatments incorporating leaves and deep conditioners and my hair has been thriving ever since. The real nail in the coffin was when Aiesha tried to come for the Indians and their Ayurvedic hair care traditions. I was like yeah nah she talking out her ass now. I also always took into account her years in the game, she was just too new for me, and acting like she knew it all. Crazy thing is her hair used to be a lot longer than it is now before she went to beauty school and it’s never grown back out since. It always looks dry and again she is just flat out nasty. I’m glad you are speaking your truth I went through the same thing.

[@shelly.v.247]

I felt everything you said in my soul Sis, and I mean EVERYTHING‼️💯 I’m so happy that we connected all the dots and realized what was happening to our hair and changed it. 🙌🏽 Also, it cost nothing to be kind to others. Going out of your way to be a mean girl makes zero sense to me. That takes so much energy and leaves you void of so many things! So I don’t understand why certain individuals choose to give mean girl energy. Especially to other women of color. However, I’m glad I don’t understand it. I never want to understand it!!! Thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts. 💖🤗😘

[@tldavis3645]

Keep your head up Shelly. I was at the same point as you when you started re-incorporating products. I had just decided that I was going to start using my products. Never had a curly cut, and didn’t intend on getting one. Nothing works for everybody. Love and blessings! 💕💕💕

[@shelly.v.247]

Thanks for sharing! 💖Did your hair bounce back? If so, how long did it take?

[@tldavis3645]

I had only been using their method since January, so I didn’t notice any major changes. I used my Camille Rose Cholesterol Treatment and my hair felt SO good afterwards. That was my determining factor, and then I saw you on live talking about your hair issues. I did learn a lot from BGC, but I am back to using the products that I had before BGC.

[@shelly.v.247]

Sorry I’m just seeing your response Sis. Isn’t it crazy how amazing your hair feels when you add back in your products that you took out because of the BGC method??!! I’m glad you’re listening to your hair and that you acted so quickly! 🙌🏽

[@nikilewis416]

Hey girl, I am a curly girl and I'm a cosmetologist (24 years). Me personally I'm wondering how bgc are still in business. And that one u were talking about has an extremely nasty attitude. I don't see how she has any clients. And her being from Chicago has nothing to do with it. I don't agree with anything they recommend (the method). My friend said she purchased a tutorial from them, I was like, u just waiated your money. I told her u have to do what works for your hair. And if they can't take criticism, then they need to get off the platform. And MS SMARTY PANTS hair looks very thirsty to me ijs.

[@shelly.v.247]

Oops…..you said what you said and I feel like you meant every word of it too! 👀🙊 😆 Matter of fact, I felt that deep down in my soul!!! 🤣🤣🤣 Okay let me stop being silly lol. I agree, I wish they would be more open to adjusting their recommendations. I also dislike the mean girl stuff. There’s just no need to be like that. We get enough of that mess from society so to do it to one another is just sad and hurts my heart! 💯😑

[@nikilewis416]

@shelly.v.247 ok exactly, and women are already insecure with their hair. If it's not right, there is no need to be mean and arrogant like a know at all. I followed them on Instagram for a few weeks, and I couldn't do it. The advice is all jacked up, and the attitude is unnecessary. I just couldn't watch the train wreck.

[@aneetrafrance8339]

This is my first time seeing your content but I have been subscribed to other natural KZbinrs like naturalreign and kimberly cherrell and they have been using leave-ins for their wash n gos for years! And their hair always turned out great. I think we all just need to figure out what works for us.

[@shelly.v.247]

I agree Sis, we definitely need to do what works for us. Biggest lesson learned is one size does not fit all!! 😅

[@karenhendricks5196]

I’m wondering if long term wash n go’s are damaging to certain hair types. I don’t follow BGC, but I do believe that for those of us who have a tighter curl pattern, avoiding products heavy with oils/ butters will give us the best definition. However, it’s also true that tighter curls have finer hair strands. So without the protection of leave-ins, oils, butters, etc., from that friction of raking, shingling, & single strand knots, may be weakening the hair over time. Those with looser texture and/or thicker strands may not have the same experience…just my theory. I’ve been doing wash n go’s primarily for about 2 years or so. I have fine hair , very tight curls. I do not have a curly cut but I’ve also noticed that my ends get raggedy even tho my hair has grown to armpit length. So now for me, I’m experimenting with wearing more stretched styles and putting the wash n go’s up for while😢…just to test my theory.

[@shelly.v.247]

Very interesting Theory! Please keep me posted on how everything goes with your approach. I’m always open to learn. 💖

[@felicia_716]

Im having the exact same issue with my texture and curl pattern changing and I just thought the change was due to my age since I'm in my mid 40s. But I've had suspicion regarding using the hooded dryer so much. Im going to start diffusing and deep conditioning again. Hopefully my hair recovers.

[@shelly.v.247]

It might be the same thing as mine. I was told the lipid layer is gone in some of the areas. She said my hair is extremely dehydrated from the lack of DC & leave-ins. So I need to DC with heat. I’m also using a leave-in now too and this may sound extreme but I’ve started to use a heat protectant before drying my hair. Keep us posted on how your hair is doing as we all navigate this journey together. AND……mostly importantly, it’s not in your head Sis just like it wasn’t in mine‼️💖

[@Cecis_Trades]

Thank you for this video, Shelly! I greatly appreciate and needed this!

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome! I hope it helps you make an informed decision Sis 💖🙏🏽

[@user-wo2yg4wv4k]

Thank you for this info. I just went natural 1 week ago. Got it cut and taught how to do a wash n go. So far so good, but appreciate your advice from your experience. Something for me to look out for as I continue my journey. Thank you again!!!! 😊

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome Sis and my pleasure!💖🤗 I bet your hair looks beautiful! 😍

[@lilady04]

Thank you so much for sharing your story Shelly❤!! As always I love your humor, your transparency, and just your passion surrounding hair care. No one should fault you, bully you, or come at you in any way because its your truth and your experience. And you know what...so many people are being helped!! Eyes are being made to take a step back and look in the mirror. 🙏🏽🙌🏾

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you Sis!!! 🥺♥️🙏🏽

[@ossier2796]

You know Shelly I was sitting here watching your video and I’ve been getting a curly cut since 2018 when I got a Devacut and I was using Devacurl products but I also started using CurlMix and they have a moisturizer as part of their 4 step program but I also periodically used a deep conditioner. I started using UFD/ICH around 2019/2020. I had also used SheaMoisture Manuka Honey. I also wash twice a week, I sweat a lot in my scalp, workout 4 days a week but I’ll see how it goes, so far so good.

[@shelly.v.247]

Hey beautiful! 💖I’m so happy to hear that you’re not having any issues. I starting to see that individuals who have never completely took out leave-ins and deep conditioners out of their hair care regimen are having less issues. What a blessing!!! 🙌🏽

[@ossier2796]

So far so good but I appreciate hearing about your experience and I’ll be monitoring my hairs progress. Stay strong.

[@sweetmamarms8167]

Hey Shelley thanks for sharing your experience and definitely helps natural is a job to care for want to keep hair healthy ❣️

[@shelly.v.247]

My pleasure Sis! ♥️🙏🏽

[@ossier2796]

BCG did say not to use the leave in’s during the 30day hair detox and the same with raw oils and butters to get to know our hair but I’ll continue to monitor my hair, so far it’s okay. I did have some itching from the UFD but I just go to my CurlMix l. I respect both you and Rosie and I watch both your videos. We all have different experiences with different cuts,products and techniques.

[@shelly.v.247]

Yes just continue to watch your beautiful curls closely Sis. My hair seemed fine until I took a closer look and had it assessed. Otherwise, I would not have known for awhile longer. It sounds like you’re doing great and I’m so happy to hear that! You deserve nothing but the best. I appreciate your love and support Ossie! ♥️💯

[@aprilnyssa]

Exactly. They said deep conditioners are treatments and that if your hair didn’t need it, then there was no need Even stylists like Jennifer rose would say the same thing and she DOES NOT DO CURLY CUTS. For leave ins, they said it wasn’t necessary In a wng and especially if you use your rinse out conditioner well… and it’s true No one said leave ins could damage your hair. They said it could affect your wng because it’s not supposed to be used in wngs Even on see some curls virtual library, they have leave in recommendations there.. So how are people saying they are solely against leave ins when they have leave in recommendations on their library????? If there was an issue that deep conditioning solved, how does it make them liars? That’s clearly what they said. It’s meant toe solve an issue but people were using it every week and it wasn’t necessary at all Lol

[@melindajl8829]

I’m sorry you had such a hurtful experience. I appreciate your transparency and even your willingness to share that you may have had a misunderstanding with Aleise which led to this talk no longer coming to fruition. While I had a different understanding of the instruction given around deep conditioners and the reasons to use them. I respect that you understood that they were to only be prescribed by a professional. I understood that the detox was intended for you to be able to understand your hair without anything so that you can make informed decisions about the condition of your hair and whether a treatment was needed or whether you wanted to add in a leave in or not. I agree it was discouraged but I guess I saw the detox as an opportunity to understand my hair without anything on it so that when I do use deep conditioners which have decided to use periodically when my styles are not turning out as planned that I know why I’m doing it. Sending you a hug and lots of love. Speaking up and asking questions is a brave thing.

[@shelly.v.247]

I definitely could have misunderstood their recommendations. However, I’ve taken it upon myself to ask several curl friends to see what their interpretation was. Each one has echoed my same interpretation. I will also say that I asked the question on a few of my Instagram lives, and the answers were mixed. So, it’s clear that there needs to be a clear recommendation for future see some curl subscribers.😅 Either way, the ownership falls on my shoulders because it’s my hair. I’m glad your hair is doing great and I wish you nothing but the best with your beautiful curls! 💖

[@SassyO100]

Just came across your channel. Im glad I did as I’ve had around 5 curly cuts and I am regretting having them. I don’t recognise my hair. I used to have long curly hair and now my hair is so shrunk it doesn’t grow down like it did. My hair is at that Velcro stage and it’s getting me down daily. I need to reverse this cut as it’s. It the most flattering for me. I’ll have to get my hair blown out to address the shape and health of my strands. I don’t deny it looks great on many people but it’s not for me.

[@shelly.v.247]

Ugh that’s so hard Sis! It definitely wasn’t for me either! 💯😝

[@jefui1]

Did you buy the book? Because they have recommended deep conditioners and treatments… they even offer products for leave ins.

[@shelly.v.247]

I didn’t purchase the book since I was in the digital online platform. You’re right, they did have them on their list but I felt they always discouraged the use of them. Also, I recently just watched a KZbin video that Aisha was in where she was saying there’s no need for a leave in etc. It would honestly be nice if their verbal recommendations matched their written ones.

[@kimc5321]

Thank you, thank you, thank you 🙏🏾💕 Before I started following you here and on IG, I too had notice my hair was looking/ responding & feeling different after following BCG methodology. I realized the method was not for me due to my lifestyle differs from theirs…. when I say lifestyle, I am referring to working out 6 day/week. My common sense told me there is no way my hair can remain healthy with me washing only 1x/week and not using any leave-in and/ or deep conditioning; I only wear WNGs and my hair felt & looked dry by day 2. I would get curly cuts aprx every 4 months or so and my ends felt great but only for about 4 weeks and then I would noticed my ends felt rough. I’ve incorporated leave-ins & DC back into my routine and don’t care how long my wash day takes cuz I am worth it ! 😇 My next cut will definitely be on blown out hair so that my hair can be accurately assessed. I appreciate you addressing this topic and sharing your experience. Continue to be a blessing to others, stay true, stand firm and to never back down 💝 Joshua 1:9

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you sis for sharing your experiences too. I stand firm in what mine has been and what I’m doing to fix it. 💖 I appreciate your support & kind words! ♥️

[@nadrickbarrett5897]

Thanks a million for this video. I just started on this journey, and I am really appreciate this video because you have saved me from damage in my hair. I realize how difficult this is for you. And I truly appreciate you going to length to explain your situation so that many of us can benefit from it. Keep up the fine work.

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome Beautiful! 💖 It’s been so hard to go through but I I’m glad others can use my mishap to learn from. I will continue to share what I uncover as I uncover it. Stay blessed and thank you! 🥰🤗

[@margareto8551]

You do you girl....people follow and listen to who they like. I'm sure you prefer genuine followers, than people jumping on a bandwagon!! From the UK, we appreciate your sharing. Stay strong and thanks 😊

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww thank you so very much beautiful! And wow all the way from the UK! So wonderful to have you here with us‼️💖🤗 Lastly you’re spot on with your comment! 💯

[@harmonious.balance]

I appreciate how you approached this video. It's disappointing to hear how BGC has responded, particularly Aeliese backing out. Though when you said that she agreed to talk with you instead of Aishia, I thought "really?" I'm saddened by how all of this unfolded because I firmly believe the fallout didn't have to be this drastic. My experience has been different because I don't wear a wash n go. I've never felt adept with gels. My hair is usually stretched. And creams were in the mix in some way. I also saw my stylist monthly because she would touch up my greys. The notion of not seeing the stylist for 3-4 months always seemed odd to me. But I just chalked it up to me feeling inept with my hair. To me that just seemed like a long time to go without guidance especially if the hair is in a corrective state. The hooded dryer piece is interesting. I always wondered how so many women could withstand the high heat for 45 minutes to an hour. It is hot. But again I chalked that up to me simply not having high density hair. Ultimately there are a number of factors that need to be addressed and I think it's incumbent upon BGC in their CIK training to emphasize fully assessing the hair and asking clients the right questions about how they are experiencing their hair. Ask if detangling is a challenge; are they experiencing webbing, etc. It appears that some women are not comfortable sharing their experience with their stylist. And that should never be the case.

[@shelly.v.247]

Yes I agree with you Sis, they need to fully address things. They did not have to get this far. To just clarify one point. I was the one who said I did not want to speak with Aishia. I said I would only be open to speaking to Aeliese because she seems way more approachable and less aggressive. I could be wrong but those are my thoughts. I’m glad your hair is doing well. Sounds like you have a great routine that works well for you! 💖🙌🏽 Thank you for sharing your experiences. It’s greatly appreciated Sis! 💖💯

[@harmonious.balance]

@@shelly.v.247 Understood. I meant I was surprised that she agreed knowing that you didn't want to talk with Aishia. Her agreeing to do the live with you as a consumer when Aishia is the consumer facing half of the BGC equation. To me that was surprising and made it not surprising when she backed out.

[@sphanksjohns]

I’m just now watching this. I just want to say that you are handling this with integrity. However, they ie the Chitown ladies are and always have reminding me of “school daze”. Hence, I have never followed them. I followed influencers that followed them. I could not take them from jump.

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you for your kind words Sis and I feel you! 💖💯

[@ossier2796]

Oh wow. I guess at 73 I’ve been through a whirl wind of hair drama including having my hair fall out and grow back in.

[@shelly.v.247]

Yeah you are a well seasoned at this Sis! You could probably teach us all a thing or two in this space! 😅

[@deebee_412]

Thank you so much for sharing your story and experiences. Sending love and prayers your way curl friend and sister in Christ. I am extremely disappointed in how BCG handled this situation. I believe the download situation was used an excuse to get out of it. I have followed them, purchased the guides, followed them and all that. No more. I have witnessed how they talk to people and how dismissive they can be. It's not a Chicago thing its a personality thing. And that's a poor excuse too. Keep pushing, keep sharing, keep being true to you. Im here to support! May God keep you and bless you❤

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww bless you!!!! ♥️🙏🏽😤. I truly appreciate your kind words and support. It means the world to me Sis! 💖💯

[@marleecarol]

I love you Shelly! Cheers to you for sharing your experience and getting back to doing what you know your hair needs. I think what it all comes down to is, you have to do what works for you (in this situation and in life in general). And there's nothing wrong with that. 🙌🏾❤️

[@shelly.v.247]

I totally agree beautiful and thank you so very much! Love you too and I appreciate you Sis! ♥️🤗😘

[@legsnhipsnbawdy]

I have been in the SSC library and space off and on for about 2 years now as a consumer. What stands out to me is the BGC defense saying, "we never told you to not use leave in or deep conditioner." There absolutely is difference in language between how to use clarifying shampoos and deep conditioners. Clarifying shampoos have always been consistently deacribed as "usually 6 to 8 weeks or as needed", whereas deep conditioner are (1) not even called out in the latest iteration in the SSC library and (2) in the older materials from fall 2021 at least, deep conditioners are not talked about much. That difference in language makes it seem like deep conditioning is optional. There absolutely is discouragement and judgement if a person asks about deep conditioning or leave in. If someone says "my hair feels dry", there is never an actual answer, just them saying, "dryness isn't real". Maybe (part of) the answer is as simple as deep conditioners are not optional, much like clarifying is not optional. And much like they give guidelines for assessing when clarifying is necessary, provide guidelines for assessing when a deep conditioner is necessary.

[@shelly.v.247]

Great points! To me there has just been a ton of confusion around a lot of it. For example, they say they never said don’t use a leave in yet they are still pushing out content saying they do not recommend a leave in underneath a wng. They say it has no purpose in a wng. However, when asked about it they say they haven’t said that. So it becomes extremely more confusing at that point. Also, another example is they say dry hair doesn’t have a feeling. Yet they’ll turn around and then say my hair feels dry because it’s time to wash it. 🤷🏽‍♀️ They also say it’s here’s no such thing as 4C but then say where are all their 4C girls at??? In my opinion they contradict themselves left and right. Never seem to take accountability for anything other than when people are singing their praises. I got to a point where I started to closely watch and listen to it all. I was also noticing the awful changes in my hair. When I asked questions I was met with a ton of pushback! So now I’m working with my previous stylist (who I was going to prior to finding BGC & CIK) and she’s helping me repair my hair. I’m grateful for this lesson because it’s caused me to think critically and not just blindly follow and listen to “the experts.” I appreciate your very insightful comment. Thank you for sharing your thoughts Sis. 💖💯

[@kapparhotau181]

My stylish recommendation deep conditioning like twice a month. She prefer spray leave-ins but my hair likes creamy Leave-ins. My wash n gos I do the spray Leave-ins and on my regular styles I use cream Leave-ins

[@shelly.v.247]

You’re so lucky that you have a stylist who recommends you use all of that. I bet your hair looks and feels fantastic 😍

[@star6uster]

I appreciate you sharing this. I didn’t know this stuff was going on until I saw the spats between aishia and neruda. I saw your face in his video and that piqued my interest and atp I got blowout scheduled for next week. I also moved away from the standard ag products a couple months back and innersense never worked for me.

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome Sis! I’m thankful for Narada and him shedding so much light on what was happening to our hair. 🙏🏽 I couldn’t use AG or Innersense after awhile because I became allergic to them. Hindsight it was probably a good thing. 😅 Hope your appointment goes well! 💖🙏🏽

[@Smithl325749]

I have never worn my hair in its natural state. Eventually I stopped relaxing it, and frankly, I admire the natural curly girls because of the carefree styling. I liked the kinky, sorta unkempt style. It was during Covid that I decided I would stop blowdrying and curling my hair with irons. I began cutting inches off every few months. And having no idea how to really go about styling my natural hair, I found BGC. I have always had very healthy hair. I used leave ins, deep conditioned, and once a month used oils and a plastic cap to marinate the hair a few hours. I was at the time going to a barber and eventually I grew out a new head of hair. So, I never got into the cut it kinky method, as I never felt good about that kind of a cut. I am thankful I at least did not fall for that part of the program. My hair, IMO, was gorgeous, until two years later. One day after having my barber cut my hair, I noticed that my hair was not right. The curls stopped popping, my hair was dull, and to this day, I am not quite sure how to describe it. I was devastated. Now granted, I also found myself to be severely anemic, and no doubt this had some dire effect on my hair as well. But I have been anemic in the past and my hair never suffered. I then began searching online what possibly could have gone so terribly wrong. I began to backtrack my hair routine, and realized, I stopped my haircare routine because BGC stated that it was all WRONG. I stopped the very things that kept my hair healthy. So with a round of IV iron infusions, I began taking inches off of my hair at my three month interval hair cuts. I began deep conditioning, using a leave in, stopped the AG products (I continue to use the Innersense shampoo and conditioner and alternate with curlsmith products), stopped using Uncle Funkys and basically use only the Doux products. I still absolutely love the freedom of how I style my hair to get that Kinky sorta unkempt look. I am a nurse, working 12 hour days, and this is really a carefree style that I love. I began to use the diffuser on my hair and because my hair is fine, I need only to diffuse sparingly. What a difference I began to see in my hair. The crazy thing is that I have one big patch of hair on top of my head that there is very little kink, or elasticity. I know that some of my hair is just ruined. Hopefully in a year or two, I will have a new head of hair, while slowly cutting my hair off. I could kick myself many times over for falling for this method. But again, thank goodness I allowed my hair to be cut blown out to get a precision cut. And to be fair, BGC did help me to feel confident wearing my hair in a kinky style. I was always taken aback by the attitudes of its founders but I knew how to not let that deter me from the knowledge that I thought was good. I have seen surgeons who have horrible bedside manners, but they are amazing in their ability to save lives. They have done what many medically thought to be impossible. And I am living proof of their skills. I had no problem getting past the arrogance because I knew that doctor was the best to help me. I now believe that my haircare woes had more to do with “the methods” more than my anemia. I am relieved to know that I was not losing my mind about my hair. I am grateful for this channel and for everyone who offered their story. Like so many, I too feel that if BGC would just come clean about their methods and kinky cuts, they probably could survive. Thank you so much.

[@cleanbeautycurls4632]

Thanks for sharing your story. This is an unfortunate situation on many levels. I hope that reconciliation can happen at some point.

[@shelly.v.247]

I hope so too Sis! ♥️🙏🏽

[@18ballet1]

Heyyy !! Loved the video ❤ i guess i never experienced dryness , because i never stopped using a deep conditioner 😅 i dont deep condition everytime i wash my hair but its definitely more than recommended . I just figuered if its not broke dont fix it lol Also i dont really use a leave in but with custards like bee curl by the doux , i have been implementing them because the hold is soo strong . One more thing 😅 i dont think you did anything wrong ❤ you were respectful , and you were able to explain to people the difficulties that you were experiencing with your hair . If people took offense to that , then eff them lol this is also a reason why i dont follow /hang on to peoples everyword. Alot of these stylist / youtube stylist have cult like followers and they are all equally disgusting in how they engage with someone who disagrees with that said hairstylist/ youtube stylist. Bgc has definitely helped alot of us get to a place of ease with our hair , but with anything we need to make sure we are checking in with our hair . I take the info i need and i leave the rest , because not everything is cut and dry . I love your honesty , and how sincere you are . Never stop doing you !! ❤

[@shelly.v.247]

Hey Sis, I absolutely LOVE your comment and I wholeheartedly agree with everything you’ve said! So interesting takeaway…..I’m noticing the curly girls/guys who never took out deep conditioners and/or leave-ins are way less impacted! You’re so smart for having listened to your hair and for not fixing what wasn’t broken. I only wish I had done the same thing. 😓 Hopefully this video will help others because knowledge is power. Lastly, thank you for sharing your thoughts and having an open mind. I truly appreciate that! 💖

[@StephenowIII]

What i have learned is u have to do what works for your hair. I use some of thr techniques and i still do what my hair likes. I still cowash once a week, i use leave in, i air dry, and i use oils in my deep conditioner. I also have my curly cutter trim my hair on old wash and gos that she basically stretched out thru. I hate that hard funky gel but i love that doux foam. I hate that hood dryer. I know u are 100% right about the deep conditioning and leave ins. I didnt let her tell me to stop that i listened to my hair. Glad u figured out what works for u!

[@shelly.v.247]

I totally agree with you! We have to do what’s right for our hair. And good for you for doing just that Sis! 🥰💯

[@justbri4349]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I’m also starting to experience the same thing. I’m noticing that my hair is super rough during the washing process and am starting to reflect to figure out what’s going on. Did you start going to a new stylist? I’ve also found BGCs to be a bit much (ugh I hate to say cult like… but if the shoe fits). I never purchase their materials, but started going to one of their stylist. I’m also considering going back to other products, because the results of some of the ones suggested just aren’t commensurate with the prices.

[@shelly.v.247]

Hi Sis! 💖 I started out by going to one of their recommended stylist. Then I switched to one that was out of state. They were both good but different from one another. Once I suspected my ends might be extremely split, I ran back to my original stylist from back in the day! She’s very familiar with my hair because she had been my stylist for the last 15 years + She cut my hair in it’s blown out state and now it seems to be wayyyyyy better!!!! I’m also, trying out new products. Some more affordable while others are not. I’m no longer concerned with all the rules around products etc. If it works I’m in! PERIODT ‼️😆

[@akosuakoranteng3327]

I think its time we also say plainly that the gaslighting, the bullying and the rudeness from the Black Girls Curls Stylists is unacceptable.

[@shelly.v.247]

It really is but you want to know what is super sad to me? I think many of us put up with it because we were just that desperate for help with our natural hair. They had to have known it and just felt they could talk crazy as heck to us and so they did. Then added insult to injury by charging us an arm and a leg! 😣

[@rowleydawn]

Your hair is beautiful, I love your curls!

[@shelly.v.247]

Aww Thank you so much beautiful! 🥰🤗😘

[@carlalindsaypassmore7206]

Sorry that you had a bad experience. I really think this problem is stylist and knowledge based driven. The 1st CIK stylist i went to had very little product knowledge. I found myself immediately annoyed by the fact that she could've answer any of my questions so i moved on to another sytlist. I can say that my CIK stylist now has way more product knowledge than the 1st. She went through all my products that i had and told me what to keep, what to give away and what to throw away. She stated all the products i had were for the most quality but not for my hair (baby fine with high density). She had me using a deep conditioner from day one. I started with Oloplex and then moved over to Joico when we realized the OP was not enough. I think some of the issues can be if a stylist only came through the CIK program with little other experience. My current stylist was doing hair long before BGC ever came along. She even had me stop using the AG shampoo and conditioner immediately after the detox. In her opinion the AG products were really only good for the detox and can mess up certain types of hair if used long term. You do however have to be your own advocate and know your own hair.

[@shelly.v.247]

You absolutely right sis, we do need to be our own advocate for our hair! 💯 I do agree about the experience level of the stylist too but both of mine are highly experienced etc. One of them even teaches how to do curly cuts so idk 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Finetextureglow]

I totally watched that live and it was soo plain to see a shift in their energies as soon as you started the interrogations😅 it started getting emotional when all you needed was a direct answer to your question Im not shocked they blocked you honestly

[@MookieBaylah]

Hi Shelly. Proud of you for speaking up because it helps someone else who may be going through the same or thinking they are going through the same. I Personally do follow this simple hair care and for the most part my hair is fine. However, I started out following exactly as they said because I will not know if it worked or not without doing so. I realized after a few months in that I just don’t like UFD so I stopped, I realized that my mostly fine to medium strands get extremely too weighed down with 3 gels so I stopped that. I like my curl set so much better with a light-medium hold gel as a base, medium-hard hold gel mixed/cocktailed with a style foam as a topper. That wasn’t in their “curriculum” I had to find that out. So I don’t agree with them saying hair care isn’t trail and error. It absolutely is. All products don’t work for everyone. It doesn’t give them the desired look. I literally don’t like UFD on no one’s head in my household lol but that’s like the GOAT for them and they swear you NEED it. I still don’t deep condition nor use leavein and I think I’ve been fine but if I find out I need it. I’m good with going back. I’ve learned a lot from BGC but I also am a person that takes things with a grain of salt ALWAYS. Their way is NOT bible. I knew from the beginning that I was only getting curly cuts until I got to a length where shape wouldn’t matter and I truly feel like there is a point of length where shape doesn’t matter. I’m sure they would disagree of course but that’s what I believe and what I’m going to do lol anyways thanks for being strong and outspoken as you seem to always have been. Best of luck

[@shelly.v.247]

I’m so happy to hear this method is working well for you! Such a true blessing! ♥️🙌🏽 Also, thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience! 💖

[@antoinettefarrior6128]

Shelly, thank you so much for doing this video. You perfectly articulated so many of my same concerns and issues. God bless. ❤

[@shelly.v.247]

You are so welcome Sis. I hope it was helpful 💖

[@sheilamoore7467]

I totally understand your concerns. My hair was over moisturize due to no strength or protein conditioning. Now I condition 1 week with moisturizing conditioner and the next week with a strength/protein. I ALSO STARTED DEEP CONDITIONING again Thank you for sharing.

[@shelly.v.247]

You got this and thank you for sharing your experience too! Together we can all help each other! 💖🙏🏽

[@Ladylew122]

From one Shelley to another speak your truth. I enjoy your videos. 😊

[@shelly.v.247]

Thank you so much Shelley! You are appreciated Sis! 💖

[@kkwgirl1]

Great video Shelly. I agree it is the non use of leave ins and deep conditioning. Let me share my story. I wear an afro (very short one)...I don't define my curls...never have (personal choice). I started following BGC when they first started the 30 day detox. It helped me tremendously even tho I wasn't chasing curl definition I had an extremely itchy scalp from using bad products. Anyway better products stopped the itching and my afro looked great. It actually had a nice curl pattern. At that time I was using KCNT and the gel and deep conditioned weekly. My hair was awesome. By the way I never did curly cuts...just went to the barber. All was good. Then I transitioned to Curlmix products (again they have a moisturizer aka leave in and gel). Continued to deep condition weekly. Again the little afro was thriving (I keep it very short). Fast forward...I retired, COVID hit and I started cutting my hair myself. I also spent a lot of time on the internet with BGC and even did SSC for a bit. Started following their "new" recommendations of not deep conditioning and no leave in. I started noticing my afro was no longer looking quite right. It was just a big ball of frizz...none of the little "round" curls I had. I was washing twice a week and even switched to all Innersense products...things kept going downhill. So I started trouble shooting. Used Curlmix again...sometimes just used the moisturizer or just another leave in type product. Hair looked better but still not quite there. Then along came you and another person that you know (not gonna mention her name) and the stylist from Pur Bella products. And the light bulb went off. I NEEDED TO START BACK WEEKLY DEEP CONDTIONING!!! Guess what? After about a month my afro is starting to look like it used to. I also stopped using any Innersense products...I don't think they were hydrating enough for my hair. Oh let me mention that I have gray hair. My scalp no longer produces any sebum at all. My little hair NEEDS that leave in and deep conditioner especially since I live in dry, dry, hot, hot AZ!!!! So yes you are spot on! Don't feel bad...now we know. BGC started off giving good advice for hair health. I just feel like in the last couple of years it became more about the longevity of a set and the sharp angles of a cut than it did about hair health. Just my opinion. I don't dislike them...but I have now had some ah ha moments... Thanks for your videos on this

[@kkwgirl1]

Also wanted to add, I still use a hooded dryer, but I have never dried on high. I only do 5 minutes on med low (my super short hair dries quickly as I don't use much product). I also use a more moisturizing shampoo along with the Curlmix All Purpose shampoo. Innersense was not it for me.

[@shelly.v.247]

Your story just confirms that we are on the right track with adding leave-ins and deep conditioning treatments back in! Especially living in hot and dry Az! Like you, I don’t dislike BGC either. However, I don’t necessarily appreciate how the main spokesperson for iamblackgirlcurls speaks harshly to women of color. But I’ve realized that sometimes hurt people hurt people. 😢 Anyway, I’m so happy to hear that your beautiful fro/curls are bouncing back. I’m praying mine have a full recovery too! 💖🙏🏽

[@kkwgirl1]

@@shelly.v.247 Your hair will recover. Trust! Sometimes we just need to follow our instincts. We are now, so we are good!

[@cheryll.g.6958]

I love the stylist from Pur Bella. I went to her once and she was so kind and encouraging. She's who helped convince me to go back to using leave in and deep conditioner (as needed).

[@Vfd270]

@@kkwgirl1Thanks for sharing your experience. What products - shamp, con dish, leave in, deep condish- do you find to be more moisturizing for you?

[@ArethaRenee]

I never stopped deep conditioning every other week or using coconut oil (which my own hair has always loved). I went back to leave in conditioner. I’m confused as to why they calls it a styler 🤔. I was getting a week long wash in go with leave in conditioner for years before getting curl cuts. The only thing I changed up were my products and diffusing instead of air drying.

[@shelly.v.247]

Love it!! If it works for you no need to fix it Sis!!! ♥️💯