The Legend of Korra 4x3 'The Coronation' | First Time Reaction

[@Keladinus]

To give Kuvira some credit, you have to remember how bad things were under the tyranny of the earth kingdom. And the subsequent fall into anarchy when the monarchy fell made things worse. Kuvira sees the conflict between the old authoritarian regime and the current lawless citizenry, and aims to solve that conflict by introducing her own totalitarianism, which eliminates the class warfare and brings back stability.

[@campbell91988]

It's also worth noting that she's *right* about Suyin. The nation, an entire continent, has fallen into bloody chaos and she has the one city-state that can act as a rallying point and center for re-stabilizing. And she just...doesn't do anything about it. Because she didn't want power? Okay, then *give it up* after you succeed or ensure someone has oversight over you. Don't turn your back on thousands of people. EDIT: pre-emptively cannot emphasize enough that Kuvira is wrong on almost everything else beyond the crown prince sucking.

[@PK_Nate]

@@campbell91988No I mean you're completely right. I didn't get that in the convo with suyin either where they were taking her side for coming out of nowhere and trying to talk to her. Like, no I'm sorry, you don't get to do absolutely nothing for at least 20 years and then all of a sudden when someone you don't like has taken it upon herself to do something for people, you wanna get involved in world affairs lol. And I mean honestly aside from Kuvira being hella extreme, I'm sure the people in the lower ring were actually very grateful to her for helping them out and giving them some sort of support and stability where not only the Earth Queen, but also the Earth King from ATLA let the people in the lower ring rot away.

[@gandheezy6163]

I disagree that Kuvira looks masculine, she looks similar to her VA zelda williams anyway

[@bradstrife2211]

She definitely has sharp features, but I wouldn't necessarily say masculine.

[@withxoutxlife]

@@bradstrife2211 I only see it in certain scenes. Most of the time I think she looks gorgeous, so idk.

[@Deined]

Maybe what makes Kuvira more "masculine" to some people, or at least less attractive, is that she almost always has that stern, serious expression on her face.

[@dcaslick]

“My girls never really picked up metal bending that well if you ask me.” - Toph about 2 of the top 5 metal benders we’ve seen in this series.

[@Set451]

Probably top 3

[@thedarkemissary]

It's kinda like Zuko and firebending. Sure he was fine at first. But, he didn't really "get it" until he met Ran and Shaw.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

Considering Toph DISCOVERED Metal-bending, she WOULD be THE authority on who is and isn't good at it. Remember, after JUST realizing she could metal-bend, she was already AT their current level of skill within seconds. So Yeah, If THEY never "really" got the hang of it, Just whit kind of a metal-bending bad ass is Toph?? lol.

[@heinrichagrippa5681]

@@patrickcromwell7554 I think it was just illustrating that she's one of those overly-critical parents you can almost never impress or get the approval of.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

@@heinrichagrippa5681 But that's the thing Toph IS NOT overly critical because THAT'S how her parents treated her. Toph went in the extreme opposite direction. She was NEVER critical of her daughters. She let them raise themselves and each other. So no, I can't agree with Toph being a critical parent. But goes against the very core of who Toph is. I in fact doubt she trained them more than just the basics. It's clear that Toph was NOT greatly involved in their daily lives. Hell at 16 she sent Su away to live with HER parents. How long do you guess that visit was. I'd say years before Toph do much as stopped by. One of the reasons Lin is so angry is because Toph was neglectful in her STRONG desire to let her daughters have freedom. Being a critical parent would mean she stayed involved in their lives. Which from what Lin says, she didn't.

[@minusxero]

I'm not sure I agree about your comments on Kuvira's look. She looks plenty feminine. She has a sharper angled face but that doesn't make her "manly."

[@Kaltagstar96]

Yeah, like, I'm not sure if they're meaning it in an insulting way or what, but Kuvira just has a different face to people like Korra, doesn't mean that she looks masculine.

[@WangFire]

Yeah it's a weird take. She's barely more angular than Arianna.

[@Pandaemoni]

I agree that there is a similarity to Mako, though I agree that she doesn't necessarily strike me as unfeminine. Mako and she both have faces that could go either way.

[@JNDReacts]

@@PandaemoniYeah, like, I’ve always thought Asami’s face is the most similar to Mako’s, and she’s one of the most feminine characters in the show.

[@withxoutxlife]

@@Pandaemoni Mako looks a lot like his mother, who was very feminine in appearance. If anything Mako is slightly more feminine, than Kuvira is masculine. At least imo. I always found Kuvira to look beautiful. She only really looks 'manly' to me when her face becomes more sinister.

[@Jeremy_theGent]

Kuvira: _(Crushes the Kyoshi Medal of Freedom)_ Kyoshi: *So you have chosen death.*

[@Dolliv5]

Kuvira is meant to mirror chin the conquer

[@Atlantiquasa]

Trivia: Kuvira, voiced by Zelda Williams, the daughter of late Robin Williams, was modeled after the voice actress herself, with emphasis on her strong facial features.

[@Seraphimisdead]

"I hate Anarchy, but I'm gonna beat it with Anarchy!" Totalitarianism, actually... which is pretty much the opposite of Anarchy. "Why does she think she's the victim?" Um... she doesn't, really? It's called manipulation/propaganda? You can literally see it working on Bolin, as he parrots her exact narrative back to Mako in the next scene. Which is why Kuvira stops doing it when she is alone in the room with Suyin. She knows she cannot manipulate her, and she doesn't have to, because Suyin's an enemy, not a subordinate. so she states the initial necessity of her cause, emphasizes the strength of her current position and threatens Suyin. I might be misunderstanding the intentions behind your remarks, in which case this entire comment sounds condescending as hell and I'm putting my foot further and further in my own mouth, but that question sounded sincere, and if it was you are severely underestimating Kuvira here.

[@PK_Nate]

Yeah I agree with you. Maple mentioned her brain short-circuiting when it came to literally anything Kuvira said but my brain short-circuited when I heard them try saying that what Kuvira was doing was Anarchy lmfao. Then they agreed that she was a tyrant. How in the world do you have a tyrant and anarchy at the same time? Those are completely opposite lmao. Idk I just think it's funny how much crap they gave the Earth Queen and Unalok as world leaders for being "incompetent", and here we quite literally have Prince Wu, the poster child for incompetence (he's literally getting a diplomatic council to run things for him... which basically makes him like the Earth King from ATLA and they hated that too.) and yet they're coming at Kuvira as if she doesn't have a leg to stand on. Why in the world would she wanna give power to him when he's a total idiot?

[@therealneal3034]

The Earth Kingdom citizens having to choose between a dictator and a complete doofus for their rulers is akin to being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[@Diegesis]

Sounds familiar

[@therealneal3034]

@@Diegesis I wasn't gonna say it but... 👀

[@Diegesis]

👀

[@dapeach06]

I guess I get what you might be picking up on, but Kuvira definitely doesn't look masculine. She *is* embodying a lot of things that society associates with masculinity, and isn't playing up her femininity. But her looks? She's exactly the kind of woman im attracted to.

[@pyrogreg8]

Well, I'll never unsee Mako's face on Kuvira. Thanks

[@Glumsage]

thanks you two, I never realized how similar she looks to Mako and now I can't unsee fem Mako.

[@Tpm12luv]

Y'all three have prosopagnosia lmao

[@imaginairemusicalt]

Anarchism, in essence, is the flattening of unjustifiable hierarchies. Kuvira is more aligned with fascism which is pretty much antithetical to anarchism.. A leftist critique of anarchism in the short term is that, if the withering away of the state happens before power is situated in all people's hands, then the people with the most power both within and without that society will simply waltz in to take power back, exert dominance, and regress. This shows last two seasons show this perfectly. While I don't believe every writer on the show is some hardcore leftist, I know there some people that know their theory for sure

[@nedzed3663]

And just like that, we have a Fire Lord Ozai in the making

[@patrickcromwell7554]

except they are EXACTLY alike. Korra is just not as openly extreme. But they ARE exactly the same.

[@PK_Nate]

No fr. Idk why the stank faces came out when that comment was made lol. Literally season 1 Korra stormed into Tarlok's office and was about to attack a world leader to get her friends out of prison. There was a policy to arrest non benders out past curfew. Asami was out past curfew. Thems the rules. The rules sucked, but they voted on those rules. Mako and Bolin's arrest was controversial, but they were interfering with Asami's arrest at that point, which warranted their arrest. Either way, Korra had no legal right to do what she did. We just only see it from her perspective and are supposed to trust her "sense of justice" which ultimately gets proven right cause she's the main character and plot. She did the same thing with Asami's dad. Of course he wasn't a world leader, but still. Bottom line is Korra does what Korra wants and she always gets what she wants. Kuvira does exactly that.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

@@PK_Nate Yeah I agree with you 99%. The 1% is that the rules were not voted on. As Tarloq was given special powers to deal with Amon HE imposed the non bending rule. Despite the objections of the council. even though they did just LET Tarloq do whatever he wanted anyway.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

That really doesn't make sense though Maple. Kuvira is the very PICTURE of Order. Why ....what would make you say "IO hate anarchy; so I'm going to beat it with anarchy." Nothing about Kuvira is chaotic or anarchist. She's literally wiping out chaos and bringing the Earth Kingdom together under one Banner. HERS. That's exactly what order is.

[@Kaltagstar96]

God, imagine being an Earth Kingdom citizen and not only do you have absolutely no say in who runs your nation, but the "choices" are between an idiot king and a fascist dictator. Also, I'm not really sure if Kuvira looks more masculine, I think that she actually looks quite pretty. But even if she did look more masculine, so what?

[@bellumletale988]

I’d still prefer the dictator who’s at least competent

[@Kaltagstar96]

@@bellumletale988Eh, I'm the opposite way because, yeah, Wu is a total muppet, but he's nowhere near as malicious as Kuvira, who is totally more competent but at least I'd never live in fear under Wu. But it's genuinely the best of two bad "options".

[@lucidiously]

And besides Wu being an idiot, they also make it sound like putting him on the throne would make the Earth Kingdom almost a puppet state of the United Republic.

[@Set451]

​@@Kaltagstar96you'd never live in fear of a leader who takes what he wants with no regard for his citizens, and would just be a puppet of other leaders on foreign issues?

[@Kaltagstar96]

@@Set451 I mean, they're two quite bad rulers so it's not like either one would be great to live under.

[@Usurpationblitz]

Wow, is this the most impactful Reaction I have ever watched? I will never look at Kuvira the same again.

[@beenannon]

I think Kuvira is fine just as she is. Plenty of characters, including Korra, are not particularly feminine looking (or acting). Kuvira has a clean, disciplined and sharp appearance - it perfectly reflects her motivations as a character. Sure her eyebrows are similar to Mako - they are both serious sorta uptight characters. She wouldn't make sense with Bolin brows.

[@forkxin]

Kuvira's not really beating it with anarchy so much as fascism

[@patrickcromwell7554]

The only thing worse that a smug person, is a smug person that doesn't know how to read a situation. I mean here's Batar Jr. Bragging about marrying Kuvira and the "good work" they've done - all while KNOWING the brutal oppressive tactics Kuvira uses - and thinking his mother has ANY reason to regret not joining them. That's ignorant smugness right there. He literally has ZERO moral high ground and he's TRYING to act like he's superior??

[@camil3545]

Though there is at least 1 good reason Su should regret not joining them. Kuvira respected and looked up to Su before all this. If she had joined, it would have been as their leader who is also well known and respected throughout the kingdom already so she could have handled things without the same tactics Kuvira had to resort to.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

@@camil3545 But that's not a good reason. Su despises politics and doesn't WANT anything to do with it. Expecting her to do so is asking her to sacrifice her personal morals. That's not a good reason to regret not going.

[@camil3545]

@patrickcromwell7554 what political issue was there? The original task was just to stabilize the region and help those being raided by bandits, then hand off the kingdom to someone else to run in the long term. Is Su's personal comfort level more important than actually going out to help her country that had literally fallen into anarchy?

[@patrickcromwell7554]

@@camil3545 And the way you stabilize a chaotic nation is by establishing a ruling government. That's called politics. AND if Su started cleaning up it would BE HER name everyone was cheering. Su does not want to be monarch or government leader of any kind. Even though her family is considered to be the leaders of Zaofu. Kubota WAS just a soldier until she organized an army to stabilize the Earth Kingdom, then she became a political figure. By uniting the Earth Kingdom she became a new leader. That is political. She declared herself the new leader of the Earth Empire. That is a political figure. If Su had done things, she would have been forced to act on behalf of the entire Earth Kingdom. Leading a nation is political. Are you getting it yet?? And for the record, yes. Su's personal COMFORT IS more important than sacrificing her personal morals to become a monarch that will lead an entire nation. THAT'S why she refused to do much as deal with The Earth Queen in the first place. She HATES politics.

[@camil3545]

@patrickcromwell7554 Su wouldn't have to become a monarch, though. Everyone, Su included, basically let Kuvira do whatever she wanted because it was an in-term position that was supposed to be handed off. It only became an issue because she isn't willing to let go. Unless Su thought that the position would drive her into a power hungry state where she couldn't let go as well, she could have prevented all the problems that showed up in this season. As the Ruler of Zaofu, she is already a political figure and is on friendly terms with other major political figures and World leaders (not wanting to have anything to do with the late queen was more likely due to the queen being a massive B* more than anything else). Su is very much steeped in the political world of Avatar already.

[@GothamCityMya]

I love Korra and Toph together…she is definitely the person Korra needs.

[@Set451]

Love Kuvira. And the earth kingdom is better as a result of what she does. Imagine if she just let that clown become the King at that ceremony.

[@TheArtisticGhost]

Kuvira WAS PROJECTING LMFAO “Bullying…..”

[@silentassason]

8:34 I'm sorry why do you think she actually thinks that tho? She's literally trying to manipulate Bolin like what?

[@Maya_4216]

When toph smacked korra's face down i burst out laughing and when toph said that Korra's body is like a twisted tree trunk[By the way i am commenting while wacthing this]

[@iwillcry]

Kuvira is super pretty idk why they think she looks masculine. bc she has fuller brows? she's about just as fem as korra.

[@Maya_4216]

She looks masculine what are you talking about

[@streamspoart2671]

Why Arianna looked like a water tribe today? 😂

[@Stick-a-fork-in-Gmorks-tort]

Don't talk about the king like that. Long may he reign. Furthermore, huh, his worship is no longer king? His kingdom is someone else's empire? Getting dizzy here. Fetch the fainting couch.

[@yawobi5083]

Yes, long may he...oops! That was fast.

[@Maya_4216]

She looks like Mako

[@FiniteVoid]

Earth kingdom fascism is genius tbh

[@beckhambrooklynpenza1708]

I disagree with Kuvira looking masculine, plus she’s hot hahah

[@cjg8763]

Kuvira is playing victim because it's one of the things tyrannical dictators do.

[@youtubeviewer4472]

She doesn't have a speaking role yet, but did you notice the woman sitting next to Zuko at the coronation? That's the Fire Lord.

[@Diegesis]

do you have a time stamp?

[@Jeremy_theGent]

​​@@Diegesis6:33

[@Diegesis]

Thank you

[@anbuhyuga8299]

Holy crap, I never noticed that. I'm pretty sure that's the only time we get to see Zuko's daughter. That fact that they just showed her like this is so weird, and why doesn't she look anything like either Mai or Zuko 🤨 In season 3 Zuko said "If the Red Lotus is taking out leaders, I need to go back to the fire nation and protect my daughter" Maybe they got a new leader? But why would Zuko even sit there if that was the case. I'm so confused. Edit: Just googled it. She does look like them. She was just drawn very wired here.

[@Jeremy_theGent]

@@anbuhyuga8299 She gets some speaking lines in a later episode.

[@rain6957]

Maple, Donald Trump got elected and still has a devout following. Rationality and fascism exist in two separate spheres of thinking.

[@michaelrandolph6373]

What is that even supposed to mean?

[@rain6957]

​@@michaelrandolph6373 Maple was talking about how obviously vicious and malicious Kuvira is. Donald Trump is a flagrantly bigoted self-serving fascist moron. In the real world people align themselves with clearly monstrous people.

[@tsukimilo]

​@@michaelrandolph6373It's just an answer to Maple's question "How come nobody working with Kuvira told or caught on that she is a bit crazy/drunk with power?", when IRL we have people who follow/work with Trump, so art often imitates reality.

[@michaelrandolph6373]

@@tsukimilo don’t understand what Trump has to do with anything. He ended up trusting a lot of slimy RINOs and Neocons like Mitch McConnell and Liz Cheney but he was a newcomer to politics and has since distanced himself from those people years ago. A better comparison for someone becoming crazy/ drunk on power would be one of the countless actual dictators and warlords that have seized power in Africa and the Middle East. Kuvira herself though appears more on the Hitler side of totalitarianism using a brutal utilitarian and Machiavellian style to her rule whilst using nationalism and a protective facade which may or may not be a facade to inspire her people. There’s also her goal of uniting her nation and taking back historical stolen land which in Hitler’s case wasn’t the end for his conquest. If Kuvira did follow Hitler’s path then even after taking back the stolen land she would start attempting to conquer foreign land as well until the other nations teamed up to bring her down.

[@nathanspreitzer6738]

Ah yes fascism is when a leader is removed from power through an election lol

[@TheArtisticGhost]

Bolin drank from the Kool Aid……. Bowl first

[@tragarfullaw5912]

Kuvira is in the wrong but the other nations and leaders let the earth kingdom crumble and decsend into a kelptcoracy after the war(Aang and Zuko included)

[@streamspoart2671]

Who's bullying Kuvira? It's her biological family

[@pricemoore2022]

Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of The Legend Of Korra!!!!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@CtrlSinclair]

yanno some females have muscular features...I-

[@dquanissavage6287]

Diegesis Awesome Video Today!!🔥🐐🐐💎

[@patrickcromwell7554]

Also to answer Arianna's statement about them making Kuvira look masculin in that moment?? It isn't JUST that moment. Both she and Korra were designed to LOOK masculin and Alpha male-ish. They both have very little feminine appeal even aesthetically. they are both super jacked and muscled up and BOTH have unnecessarily, over-aggressive dominant personalities. They utterly refuse to be thought of as feminine in any way.

[@Flamincactus]

all hail the great uniter

[@TheArtisticGhost]

Moment she spat her game on stage yeah….. Sue shouldve just helped…..

[@oban6051]

Kuvira did nothing wrong. She restored order, she pulled down the monarchy, she is literally the good guy. At least at this point in the story.

[@Diegesis]

she puts people in re-education camps

[@SeanBoyce-gp]

@@Diegesislotta people don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'm not one of them, but there's a school of thought that suggests that's the more peaceable nonviolent path to cultural assimilation. You could argue that the Scandinavian prison system is basically a system of reeducation camps. Convicted offenders spend time in a controlled system learning useful skills to society and being taught the error of their ways. They have some of the lowest recidivism (previous criminals going back to crime) in the world. Our western image of these things are concentration camps with a different name. And ultimately, my guess is that's what the show is implying, but since we never actually see one who can say.

[@Diegesis]

we know the re-education camps in this show aren't the Scandinavian variety. you're making a bad faith argument.

[@oban6051]

@@Diegesis Once again. Kuvira did nothing wrong.

[@Deined]

@@oban6051 🙄 And now I'm even _more_ convinced TLoK may have predicted the more authoritarian/totalitarian/etc. bent that's come around in politics in recent years.

[@bobbyboy_]

How about a Steven universe reaction, its a kids show but it can get kind of dark at times

[@Diegesis]

It's too much of a kids show

[@ernestorodriguez791]

👍🏾

[@starvein8841]

To be honest, I never really "bought" the older characters... Zuko and Katara and the glimpses of Aang we saw never really felt like them. Zuko briefly did when he asked Korra about his uncle (Iroh felt like Iroh for sure, but, we had his season 3 voice actor and everything!), but that was really it. Toph, however, feels very much like an older version of her from the moment we see her in this season. So, so, refreshing.

[@CrazeeAdam]

That's the thing isn't it? We see them in Avatar as teens.. We see them here in their 70s or so, maybe later. I would be worried if people acted the same as their teens nearly 60+ years later..

[@AnthonyHologounis96]

I’m early

[@januarybaby1063]

God DAMN we have to wait ages for breaking bad

[@Diegesis]

Comes out on tuesdays

[@januarybaby1063]

fair play@@Diegesis

[@januarybaby1063]

oh my that means we have 32 more episodes after this tuesday, meaning the last ep video will land on October 8

[@aubryellaotero1064]

You guys tearing apart Kuvira’s appearance, calling her masculine and stuff,,, her character is based after her VA, who happens to be Robin Williams daughter 😭😭😭