2 Simps Fight Over Female DnD Player | r/rpghorrorstories

[@michaeljames7857]

Honestly, as awful as Gamer Club Guy was in Story 1, I'm surprised that the literal 30-year old weeb hitting on a girl fresh out of highschool was the one who had the redemption arc

[@akmi1931]

Someone’s true character is displayed by how they react to their own stupid decisions, Not by their stupid decisions themselves.

[@songsayswhat]

I know! Refreshing change. I expected someone that stuck in a behavior (I figure he's been that way for years) would have been the problem. He sounds like a lot of the guys I run into in SCA who often default to that flowery, over-the-top behavior unless you tell them you don't like it. Most of them are harmless. So maybe he was like that? If not, here's to old dogs learning new tricks & hope he never acts that way again.

[@fred_derf]

It's not that surprising, a lot of times people don't understand how creepy they appear to other people and simply telling them that will get them to change their actions.

[@revilo1st]

Yeah, that was the biggest surprise for me, probably just a dude that is quite lonely over all.

[@zenmartialartist701]

Very true​@@fred_derf

[@forgemastervahtar2703]

The first story the DM is also responsible for letting all this happen. I don’t understand why anyone would let that happen at all. Should just stop and say this would not be allowed at all.

[@FateWeaverGM]

Came here just to say this. This could have been nipped in the bud so early. If you cant stand up for your players, you shouldnt be a DM

[@Snyperwolf91]

The DM was was coward and didnt thought this could happen on his table . He even belittles the problem that was very hostile and very clear to see .

[@dr3dg352]

Yep, shit needed to be shutdown immediately. It sure as hell wouldn't fly at my table.

[@Bladezeromus]

Everyone's a warrior when they have a keyboard and a screen between them and the problem. I'm 6'2" 220lbs and at the time I was still actively kickboxing. We added a new player to the group, someone we knew and they ended up being a major that guy. When one of his actions was "I put my dick on her head" to one of the female player's character it was like a bolt of lightning hit everyone at the table. We were all stunned. No one knew what to do or say. It was awkward and weird. And in the end we let it slide but talked about it in private and agreed that if it happened again he was out. He did it again and then he was out.

[@VenathTehN3RD]

@@Bladezeromus I'm a bit confused as to your point here. You say "Everyone's a warrior when they have a keyboard and a screen between them and the problem," suggesting that you think people are wrong for saying that the DM should have nipped this in the bud before it reached this point (which, if I'm not misunderstanding the story, took place over a fair bit of time given that these were apparently shenanigans that they pulled repeatedly). Yet you then go on to provide a story from your own experience in which someone does something inappropriate a single time, you and the others involved talk about it, and you then proceed to oust him from the game when he does it again...thus doing exactly what everyone here was suggesting and shutting it down before it became a recurring (and potentially escalating) problem.

[@Geth-Who]

How the hell did that first DM not just go 'As you whip it out you are struck with a bolt of divine power and instantly killed. Your god saw what you were about to do using them as an excuse, and is incandescently angry with you. You find yourself kneeling before them in chains, an armed celestial on either side of you, and given a single chance to explain yourself before your punishment.'

[@jonathannelson103]

Agreed, DMs have to remember that Deus Ex Machina is an acceptable fix in some situations.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Girl: no. Anime Domain Cleric: ok. Pact of Andrew Tate Warlock: so you chose war.

[@valivali8104]

Yep, clearly tatter or other kind of incel who is into toxic masculinity... Edit: typo

[@NyJoanzy]

I thought he was a ranger?

[@destroyerinazuma96]

@@NyJoanzy Yes he was. I only changed the classes for the sake of the joke.

[@wizardswordfish5875]

That subclass actually relies on low charisma for spell casting

[@masterkyoogway3565]

To maybe make it got with the classes in the story, maybe call it a Tatewarden ranger😂

[@dwaynejackson551]

As a bit of a weeb myself I expected the weeb to be the real problem in the first story.

[@Snyperwolf91]

Sometimes there are weebs that can behave themselves. An extremely rare phenomena but it can happen . I had one too 3 years ago in my group.

[@IceLordCryo]

Yeah same, especially with the large age gap. With how much older he was, I totally expected the weeb to be the problem

[@cmhsky]

There's a difference between being socially awkward and thinking you're entitled to sexually harass whoever you want. Clearly weeb was the first, he was alerted to his behavior, he apologized, and corrected the behavior. I'm a big dude. Would've thought it was hilarious to give the other guy back a taste of his own medicine 😂

[@NyJoanzy]

Welp, time to confront our personal biases. Good times.

[@PrideOfFantasy100]

DM was at fault in that first game... you cant fix someones sexism usually, but the DMs main job is making sure all the players are having fun. Theres a metric ton wrong in that story besides that if course.

[@PrideOfFantasy100]

To add, first story dm needs to learn from second story dm.

[@bulbigood6558]

@@PrideOfFantasy100 Apparently, the second DM didn’t talk about the party borders with the half-orc in advance. So how is he better than the first one?

[@PrideOfFantasy100]

​@@bulbigood6558 Because he was given a warning and had a chance to fix the behavior. I agree he should have clarified, but if you need to be told no SA in a game... I really don't want you in any of my games ever. So yeah, my statement stands. It's my opinion to stamp out problematic players ASAP before we get someone describing r*pe or coerced stuff. Just gross.

[@trainswithdragons]

I am only marginally less infuriated with the DM than I am at gamer club guy. His unwillingness to act throughout the whole thing has me pissed off as a fellow DM.

[@somebody4952]

Story 2: Honestly, from a lot of the horror stories I've seen, when a player feels the need to SA, they have a tendency to do that even if session 0 explicirly rules against it. So, i honestly feel like kicking someone that feels it appropriate to do sometbing like that might be best

[@nashespiritu]

Exactly this

[@shadiafifi54]

Sounds like the DM of the second story should have been the DM of the first one.

[@ShiKageMaru]

The first DM should've been made to apologize. If they're "bad at conflict resolution" then maybe they shouldn't be a dm. As for the Barbarian story I don't think a warning per se would have helped; but maybe the DM could've said "what are you implying here?" Or "are you threatening to sexually assault this character?" Just to make sure that's what was happening. There's a slim chance they were thinking about something else.

[@sagekoh3158]

Ziggy doesnt look like a morning person does he? 😅 Story one: "I pull down my..." GTFO!

[@AlteredNova04]

It sounds like the Barbarian in story 3 already knew that pushing the statue over would trigger the ceiling to collapse and kill everyone and he was metagaming to sabotage the campaign. But he didn't want to admit to that cause everyone would get mad at him, so he was badly trying to pretend that it was all just an innocent accident.

[@jakisz]

Story 1) The DM needed to step in when it was very clear what was happening. Story 2) It's debatable. If the new player had a session 0 and it was stated what wasn't allowed, then maybe a straight ban was okay, otherwise no. Story 3) DM could of stated after the roll that the player roll was unnecessary as that was the point of the investigation, but it isn't the DM's responsibility to come up with what the player is thinking.

[@seto_kaiba_]

Thank you. Someone with some sense.

[@l0stndamned]

1. The "that guy" was utter scum, but the spineless DM was making things worse. Not letting the other players wake up was just daft and made me thing the DM was in on the plan. 2. The DM here reacted like the DM in the first story should have done. 3. Players who "roll to understand" stuff after understanding has already been established are a burden on any game.

[@fred_derf]

When the character has a religious epiphany and starts having a problem with a member of the party is the time you leave that character in the tavern when you leave town.

[@AAAA-sh1yz]

In the last one, the barbarian probably had meta knowledge and knew what would happen if the statue was destroyed.

[@sophierichau7076]

In story 2, I absolutely support the GM kicking the player. I dont want a player at my table who thinks that something like that would be okay. If I have to tell them it's not okay, then they're the type of person I don't want to have around.

[@mikefang9995]

Story 1: The DM really should have spoken up sooner, even if it was just to say "You're not welcome at this table, get out." Story 2: So this player certainly seemed to be going in an unpleasant path, however it could be argued he was just trying to intimidate the cultist to make them cooperate. I think the DM should have paused the game and just straight up told the guy "I'm not going to allow any s--ual a--ault in this game, understand?" I don't want to be one of those types who suggests ignoring warning signs until it's too late, but in this case, I find it hard to say if the player was about to be vile, or was just trying to intimidate an enemy. Story 3: This guy was just an idiot. What's worse, he was the obnoxious kind of idiot who follows whatever impulse crosses his mind and then expects everyone to either laugh or make excuses on his behalf, like "oh that's just the way he is." I honestly don't know why the players didn't say to his face "man, this isn't funny and you're being both unhelpful and a danger to the rest of us."

[@shadiafifi54]

More like the DM 1 was either a spineless worm or was an enabler sort.

[@valivali8104]

How could story 2 be anything more than try to r@pe? Why give wanna-be r@pist any more chances?

[@marybdrake1472]

My one and only D&D horror story came from a player that didn't think things through and followed whatever impulse they had in the moment. So yeah, your description of the guy from story 3 is accurate in my experience.

[@rollanddev]

@@valivali8104 Because everyone in gen-z is quick to jump to the worse of conclusions?

[@valivali8104]

@@rollanddev nice ad hominem... 🙄

[@mellsc9412]

In story 2, that was handled exactly right. There is zero tolerance for that kind of behavior, especially if you have women/AFAB people at your table. Not only does the player need to know that’s not ok, but the people at your table need to know that you’ve got their back if something happens. The player should’ve asked ahead of time if it was ok. Since he didn’t, he seems like the kind of person who wouldn’t care anyway.

[@snekbetch5674]

Holy moly. If I was the girl in the first story, I would have gotten up and slapped the gamer guy irl before he even finished describing the disgusting shit he was doing. DM sucks for not intervening.

[@KHFMcAwesome]

Not going to lie, there’s a sadistic part of my brain that was kinda hoping the story of the two simps would end with them getting into a huge brawl. 😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

It would have been both of them standing a few feet apart as they hurled lame insults at each other while both looked around for someone to "hold them back".

[@davenrippe480]

So doge to be honest from my years of experience in tabletop is that most predators will with the freedom that they find in table top to perform the things that they want to do in real life but don't due to either fear of the law and punishment or because of lack of the confidence to start. It's sad to see how many are at the start of the door of such monsterous behavior and wish to use a game as their outlet to start.

[@seto_kaiba_]

Based on what? I skewer civilians in Grand Theft Auto for sport. That doesn’t make me a wannabe shooter. A LOT of y’all seem to not have a very strong separation between reality and fiction. Like I get if you don’t want that kind of content in a D&D game but someone doing something like that in game doesn’t mean they’d do it in real life.

[@davenrippe480]

That is a fair argument but also look at what was said about the seriousness that the individual had in their behavior and tone from what the OP said. Body language when such things are said can give you a rather good read on their psychological standing.@@seto_kaiba_

[@scorch2155]

​@seto_kaiba_ full agreement here, people are fully capable of entertaining an idea without believing it correctly, to think otherwise is to think as you said, video games cause violence as its the exact same logic. Might as well think anyone playing a Cleric must be religious since they are RPing being religious. The entire point of RPing is playing characters that are different from you so I can only assume people like the one you replied too must only play self inserts as they can't play anything else.

[@millennialboomer6780]

Glad the girl from the first story came back, but yeah, the dm shoulda stepped in sooner

[@PenniDeadful]

That Last story, the barbarian did that on purpose. He just didnt want his mates to be mad at him.

[@Janary08]

Listening to all the dnd horror stories, it was so satisfying to hear how the DM quickly cut the problem player out and intimitated him out the door. Him ripping up rhe paper... He was so done lol

[@RockR277]

That last story reminds me of when my friends and I ran the ghost house intro to Curse of Strahd. When we got to the basement with the statue or painting (I forget what it is) that spawns a buncha shades when you touch it, and after we all realize in and out of character that it's bad news, one of my buddies says "lol I trip and fall on it". Anyway then we almost tpk'd cuz we were in bad shape after fighting the shambling mound. Iirc that player and his brother both had their characters die in the escape.

[@phillee427]

When the barbarian got ejected from the GM's apartment. It was totally the right move. You don't talk to people like this, you get rid of them and move on.

[@vortega472]

I love that fluffy little guy - Ziggy - he's so cute and has such a noble face. A tale of two DM's - the first story shows how not to be - it's one thing if you're DMing just for friends or family - but if you DM in a public setting, such as a Con or gaming store, you have to have a backbone and stand up for and against people. As a DM you are the leader of the group, and the players are going to come to you for help and if necessary - protection. Also an 18-19 year old girl and a 30 year old creep - ick factor at the beginning. DM in public games, you have to have a backbone, you have to say stop of players who violate other players in game - or stick to your house and play with friends and family. The second DM had it right - cut the crap from the beginning. And also - I wouldn't want a person like that in my house either.

[@v1de0gamr23]

My opinion: There are no problem players, only problem DMs. A player can be no bigger of a problem than the DM allows them to be. The first story clearly illustrates this.

[@Xalerdane]

Story 1: DM should have had his DMing privileges revoked for being so spineless.

[@situpeutparlemoi]

The stark difference between the DM of the first story and second story - DM1: what not to do. DM2: how to handle it effectively and take care of your group. I think it's absolutely good to kick someone who takes "you can do what you want" as "you can rape people in this game" - they won't be bringing much value to a table's story anyways.

[@skitz042o2]

For the second story and the comments, dm imo handled that perfectly, exactly correct both in game and irl. For the comments I don’t necessarily see “I can do anything” as a red flag. It’s literally what I love about the game. The fact unlike a video game I can use my abilities in outside the box ways.

[@sorapokeball]

Kicked: As a woman, DM was absolutely right in what he did. He gave the guy a warning, the guy didn't heed it. If a player pulled that at my table, I wouldn't want to play with them ever again. Anyone who wants to play out that kind of scene in that manner is not someone I would want within a 10mi radius of me.

[@burningxnecro]

In regards to the gamer club guy, I feel at a point (7:25) the DM should've just gone, "You god senses your intent and is utterly sickened by it, reaches out and tears your soul to shreds, no saves, no resurrections; your carcass falls to the ground, instantly cold and lifeless."

[@Wrathura]

The DM that lets a player get away with using dice to do something he shouldn't do. Pfft. First off, there is no rolling for combat starting near by and perceiving it. Unless you're literally unable to wake up from some effect, you're waking up.

[@AndrewBrownK]

7:19 moments like this call for the DM to invoke a spontaneous bolt of lightning that instantly vaporizes the character and bans the player. Huge failure on DM

[@krybling]

When the true babarian "dm" told the guy " you not welcome here anymore" and points at the door, i clapped my hands what a hero

[@12345678901011213]

DM in the second story was 100% in the right to kick him immediately. If I have to explicitly tell somebody (even premptively) that rape/SA is off the table during DnD then they aren't somebody I want at the table. Nobody I'd be willing to play with would even think to do it in the first place.

[@goldenspiral6008]

These stories about problem players always make me think that DM's need to take a course about how not to be spineless. You literally put in 90% of the hard work for the campaing. You are entitled to just kick out whoever is making the other players uncomfortable and ruining the experience. Not to mention the other players don't have the power to kick someone out od the group unless you play in their house.

[@BlueTressym]

It's one of those things that isn't talked about other than in discussions re. horror stories. Precious few of the materials available for helping new GMs explain that assertiveness is a necessary skill. Also, the Venn diagram of people who struggle with assertiveness and a lack of self-esteem and of people who play TTRPGs has a huge amount of overlap.

[@ByrdieFae]

Indeed, Ziggy was looking pretty wise and majestic there.

[@Guyfrom2001]

This is why anything create has bigger brother clauses, which is something I say as an older brother, which is “Anything you do to her, I do to you.”

[@Stuurminator]

If I was the store owner in the first story, I'd have banned the DM, too. The buck stops with them. They were running the world and still let everything happen as if they were helpless to stop it.

[@Sanodi21]

I was wondering how the asshole wasn't booted within a couple sessions of coming back but turns out he had no spine. No one was having fun after GCG came back. He was actively ruining and being a bastard to one of the players. He had so much time to stop it and never did until it was too late.

[@spectrelead]

1st story: Lamer-slug, I mean Gamer-club, Guy is lucky it wasn't me as OP OR the stores here in Killeen. That shit doesn't fly down here, and that misogynistic fuckwit would've gotten some old-school 'wall-to-wall group counseling' that fits the local history of a military town

[@DarkEvilFoxy]

please tell me yopu can do feet to Jesus AKA suplex on someone

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

Hello from Sulphur Springs, Texas.

[@davidchung3923]

S-Cry-Ed thumbnail. Neat. Been a long time since I saw that anime 😂

[@VidelxSpopovich]

It’s probably my favorite anime of all time. I think I’ve seen it about a dozen times if not way more.

[@kyronmckinney]

Story 3: DM just pulled an Adventure Time Lich fall moment

[@icecreamnoodles3742]

Second story was top notch behavior. The only correct way of handling in my opinion. DM clearly has experienced those kind of people before and knew there is only nipping it immediately as the best outcome instead of dragging it on.

[@negljbreakergaming]

In the second story the DM was an absolute Chad to tell the player to get out while in-character, I'm not gonna blame him for not being clear in session 0 as honestly it should be an unspoken rule that SA is not okay

[@RockR277]

I'm amazed that the decade older weeb is the one who ended up changing for the better. That'll teach me something about stereotypes and assumptions. I definitely wouldn't want to play in a game where sa is permitted, but should the dude have immediately have been thrown out? Eh, idk. I'd like to think you can just tell someone "hey we don't do that here" and see how it goes, but some people can be real weird and others at the table might end up feeling uncomfortable around them. Sometimes people get really committed to doing something silly and/or pointless. That's fine, honestly. I'd probably be annoyed to lose a big important encounter because funny man decided his character was just super interested in this random object, but eh, it's fine. The real weird part for me is the player telling the DM "Hey, do you know why I did that? You gotta figure out why I would have done something like that". If you're gonna commit to doing something dumb, at least own it.

[@Ara-gq7sb]

Your videos brighten my day!

[@larad9180]

As far as story 2 goes, theoretically the DM could have given a warning, but frankly, if that’s the kind of thing a player even wants to do in the first place, I wouldn’t want to play with them.

[@songsayswhat]

Story 2 - Player would learn better had the DM tackled this OOC and not in-character. In game response lends credence to what the player did. "Not doing this here" but maybe he can get away with it elsewhere. Sure, he kicked him out--in game. I maintain that truly problematic behavior needs to be addressed IRL so there is no misunderstanding about what is and is not acceptable at the table. Story 1 - So much to say, but ultimately the DM should have stopped this from happening long before it did. It sounds like they sat there and listened to it & the DM only had a mild reaction after the players protested. Sad the druid player had to experience any of it & glad she finally came back to play. Here's hoping they find a new DM or give him/her a strong talking to because there is also acceptable/unacceptable behavior from DMs.

[@JKevinCarrier]

In the second story, I think the kicking was justified. I would really not be comfortable playing with someone who, when told he could "do anything", immediately jumps to "Yay! I can force myself on women!" In the third story, I suspect the barbarian was just salty that the DM ruled against his "badass moment" of toppling the statue, and this was his way of pouting. The DM was in no way obligated to abide by his uncalled-for rolls. "No, you understand perfectly that toppling the statue will do nothing". If he insisted on continuing, I would've ignored the collapsing ceiling trap and declared, "At last, the statue topples over with a loud 'thud', having absolutely no effect, just as you knew would happen. Everyone turns to look at you like you're an idiot, because you are, in fact, an idiot."

[@ToonamiT0M]

The problem with story 3 is that a nat 20 does not mean you can succeed at anything. All it means is you perform that task at the peak of your ability. He should not have been allowed to push over the statue that is too big to push over.

[@AmaryInkawult]

Same with Nat 1s but in reverse. You fail at the lowest possible ability. You fumbled at a critical moment or something incredibly unlucky happened beyond your control, such as your lockpick breaking due to wear and tear or a guard turning to you at the wrong moment.

[@AmaryInkawult]

If all this bullshit were to be allowed at nat 1s and 20s we'd be stuck with Chris Redfield punching Boulders everywhere.

[@janinecat1865]

First story is a that-happened. Turns into a total cartoon in the last third.

[@TailsTube]

7:27: "Dude, what the actual FUCK?" Seconds later, reading story containing the word fuck: "Dude, shut the eff up."

[@clarehidalgo]

Lol, the thumbnail. Haven't seen S-Cry-ed in a real long time

[@kathryngordon5115]

DM absolutely did the right thing - the kind of toxic that leads players to pull shit like that is a warning of worse to come, but to just nip it in the bud.

[@rustedone2807]

The issue with players taken with that sort of mindset being “OK“ or “acceptable, because of my players background“, is that it’s a default setting in their brain. Changing that sort of a player- (not “character-“) reaction would require a significant investment of time, patience, therapy, and all of these things IRL. They have no place in a TTRPG, unless that is thematically what you’re going for in the game. If so, that should have been made plain at session 0.

[@robertwildschwein7207]

2nd story was overkill. The NPC was trying to sabotage them. The DM should have let them capture her. 3rd story was funny. It's totally what a 1 INT barbarian would do.

[@ganmerlad]

That last story is odd, it almost sounds like the barbarian doesn't remember deciding to push the statue over and may think the DM forced the action on him. Hence the "I don't know, you tell ME why I did the thing (you made my character do)." It was out of character for the player to do something like that as well, so his brain might have shorted out one way or another.

[@dr3dg352]

If Story 2 is true, DM was absolutely justified imo. This kind of behavior is grounds for a zero tolerance approach.

[@seto_kaiba_]

“zErO tOLerAnCE” is a stupid mentality-especially towards in game shit. Just quash it and make it clear that that kind of thing is not acceptable in game.

[@dr3dg352]

​@@seto_kaiba_ I know I wouldn't want to keep gaming with someone who wants D&D to be their public SA simulator, but that's just me. I personally wouldn't be as theatrical about it as the DM in the story, though.

[@seto_kaiba_]

@@dr3dg352 If they change their ways I don't see why not. He thought he was playing Game of Thrones when y'all were playing Lord of The Rings. That doesn't make him a real predator. The first guy though shoulda got kicked WAY before he did though.

[@dr3dg352]

@@seto_kaiba_ I agree! That first story was so uncomfortable. 😵 Still can't get over playing a holy type character and saying "this is what my character would do!". So thankful that I have yet to experience that kind of behavior irl.

[@tonisoda]

That s-cry-ed thumbnail sent me back in time Holy moly

[@mikeyfisher4256]

Honestly, the GM in story 2 was in the right to kick his ass both from game and from his apartment, why let someone who thinks SA and other messed up crap is ok a second chance? Screw em, less people like him in the hobby, the better. GMs being lentient to bad behaviour is how you get players like the brainlet in story 1.

[@seto_kaiba_]

Story 2 that guy seems more like an edgelord who misread game expectations. Doing that in game doesn’t mean he thinks its ok irl. Story 1 that guy seems more like an incel “nice guy” type and a dangerous guy out of game.

[@Blackscar2]

I believe that "that guy" should've definitely gotten a warning or break down on what's allowed and not in their game, rather before hand or at the moment, I get that, the subject matter and actions, makes ppl uncomfortable, but its understandable that some people have that kink, and the game is all fantasy and imagination so, a person, who doesn't realize their making ppl uncomfortable may attempt to go with said action of at the very least initiating said fantasy, but can still be reasonable when they realize they're making ppl uncomfortable and keep it out of their games, so I think they definitely should've talked about it before hand and warned "that guy" and everyone what was or was not allowed.

[@teheles]

For the Statue story : 1: Maybe it's a simple intrusive though that he couldn't explain; 2: He just trolling the DM; 3: As you say, maybe he has a plan and, so proud of it and ashamed that he couldn't execute it, he try to safe his "honor" by any mean.

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

I'm going with number three.

[@akmi1931]

He wanted that Big Epic Moment and wasn’t going to let reality get in his way

[@Namhn1231]

I assume since lost mine of phandelver is a module, that the guy looked up info ahead of time and knew that the statue would have caused a big cave-in hence why he spent 3 turns doing it AFTER the boss had died. He did it on purpose cause he thought it was funny and doesn't say why he did it cause he doesn't want everyone to know that he did it on purpose and tries to pass it off that it was an accident which I have no idea how DM didn't know considering the player himself told the DM that they have to come up with an in-character reason for why he did that.

[@marybdrake1472]

Okay, that DM up front made the whole worse by not stopping that crap right when then should. Player agency doesn't go that far, period. It's not surprise that the sick a$$hole used the it's what my character would do BS.

[@deepseastonecore3017]

If you believe in yourself and with a tiny pinch of magic, all your dreams can come true

[@shiva0]

In the first story, gcg would be leaving with a broken nose at the very least.

[@GundamAngelicDevil]

That first story tho. Under no circumstances should the party return and play with that DM. Being bad at conflict resolution is not an excuse.

[@Doodle1776]

Another perfect story why I do not allow PvP of any kind in my games. It fails horribly 99.9999999% of the time. I expect to get the toxic players to claim, "But you're hurting their agency and PvP is a good thing, and you're just a bad GM for not allowing it!" That is what happened the last time I posted that. Okay, whatever, keep your toxic play among fellow toxic groups with other players that almost no one else liked either.

[@Shane-hx4xp]

I’ve never been this early to a dnd doge video

[@SinnerChrono]

Im glad my party is all a bunch of ex military and married guys except myself who is neither in a relationship or ex military.. but the point is everyone is chill af.

[@kensprivateinvestigation2128]

Idk, dollar store DiCaprio is funny as hell to me.

[@orenashkenazi9813]

When it comes to the barbarian guy, while it is theoretically possible that the GM could have resolved it by talking to the player, it's better to err on the side of kicking that player out then letting them stay where they have the potential to inflict their bullshit on other players. While I would like people with issues like that to get help and see the error of their ways, I as the GM am not set up to provide that assistance, and trying to do so is simply an untenable risk for everyone at the table.

[@tesuniekataren46]

For that second story, I think the GM may have been a little too hasty. I would have given the guy enough rope to hang himself off of first. Who knows. Maybe he wasn't going the way people implied. Could have just been going for intimidation and actual information gathering. Who knows, it could have even been twisted into a reasonable story plot, or resulted in expulsion of the player slightly later... By story plot, I do mean "Oh. Please stop hurting me. I... I had no choice. They have my (insert family member here), and they said if I didn't follow you and spy on your group, they would (insert cruel fate here)." Or, even power played away from it once it could have started, similar to what kinda did happen. "The women snaps her fingers, and you find yourself paralyzed (no saves needed in this case). (Insert dialogue here.) The women then leaves via teleportation, after maybe cursing the character and making them into a frail female!" (Not saying women are weak, but specifically they cursed the player character into a female form so no more male power plays, and is actually frail altering their physical stats. Now we have to break the curse, which can only be done by treating people nice... or be kicked from the game via instant player death and "leave now" is always an option.) I just don't think enough happened to actually warrant expulsion from the game... yet. Though, maybe the GM made the right call and not all the information needed to know was relayed to us. It just felt... a little hasty. I mean, I know if my character wanted to intimidate a spy for information, I'd probably (especially in muscle strength build character thought) lock them into a room with me and talk smack. Of course... my current character is an ex slave 16 year old guy who is blind (but sees via familiars). So... yeah. Will comment last, not sure if I'm saying this clearly, or just making a mess with what I intend to say... 🤷‍♀

[@Reaperofsouls113]

If you need an incharacter way to end the foght screaming is a free action and can be done at any time and in my campaign a group of adventures are deffiently waking up

[@Reaperofsouls113]

Waffles stomp his guy then kick em😊

[@thehowlinggamer5784]

Dm was absolutely right to kick him out straight away. Giving guys like that warnings is code word to them they can just try again later. Never give them second chances. It will only result in the same thing or something worse happening later on.

[@seto_kaiba_]

No its not code for try it latwr.

[@ivanquarman01]

story 2: I would have had the cultist playfully put her fingers into the barbarians mouth then blow his head off with an eldritch blast. Then told the barbarian to shape up or ship out.

[@andrewbyrne2173]

As the for barbarian new player, the DM should have gone over expectations beforehand, rather than assuming he’s a decent person. I would also make sure the player is aware that attempted SA is one of things I instantly ban people for. Doge, any chance of a glory story on your Thursday uploads?

[@VidelxSpopovich]

Don’t even give a fuck about the video, haven’t watched it yet BUT I SAW THE THUMBNAIL! That’s s-CRY-ed! My boy Doge has good tastes!

[@ArcCaravan]

I noticed that too. Was curious which "simp" was which character.

[@VidelxSpopovich]

@@ArcCaravan Depends on how you interpret the show I suppose. From my perspective for instance, the ending we get in the original series is actually bad for The Lost Ground and will ultimately end in more destruction and stricter mainland oversight later down the line due to the fact that both Kazuma and Ryuho simply can’t defend The Lost Ground forever. Especially considering that it’s quite heavily implied that like with The Commander, their alter power is slowly killing them the more they use it. That and Ryuho really screwed the pooch by letting the Crystalized Form of the other side live. From what we’ve seen it’s essentially an ever hungering eldritch horror that seeds Alter Power into worlds which it later returns to and feeds off of. So yeah, bad endings all around.

[@ollipantsukka7211]

I think it was bit of a missplay on both parties on that second story, it would be interesting to hear the other side of these stories.

[@foenrik8941]

Ironically, a woman is the last thing those two guys in the thumbnail would fight over.

[@TheFaulkned]

In story 2 : I think that the barbarian play didn't get a good session zero talk. While he was still an ass and was delt with in a good way. Think if he had the benefit of S:0 he might not have been so dense.

[@kravitz6455]

As a female player...dm in story 2 was in the right. Hopefully the experience will make the guy think about his words and actions in the future

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

The first story is just proof of how bad "dating coaches" are compared to every other bad dating pipeline it turns guys just looking into how to date into misogynistic assholes who think the world is against them turning into "nice guy" incels

[@FeloniousChihuahua]

i dunno i kinda feel like the dm was in on it on the first one

[@brunopereira8811]

Great Doge, do you have permission using the backgrounds' music? There is one or other music that is from games. I don't want you to find troubles and losing time editing videos, instead giving us more great stories!

[@REfan2002]

Barb in the last story, yeah if you dont come up wirh a story on why, you're PC is gone and to roll a new one.

[@ethankaryadi37]

Third. Also, when would you probably do livestreams?

[@ryanrizzo4869]

I do as Lord Ziggy commands.

[@SnaxTheSnaxolotl]

I liked the video Ziggy

[@prinnyhayate5517]

The dm in the first story really is just as at fault as the gamer club dude.

[@rocksteadyska6933]

In under the buzzer!

[@amirreguieg3583]

Wow, I’m early. Hi Doge!

[@DomsGamingSquad]

Oh hai dar doge! 😊❤

[@nardopolo7407]

dollar storer leonardo dicaprio doesnt conjure an image of ugly it conjures someone whose plain

[@natashaallen9929]

I love you Ziggy!

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

Kicked Story. I think given what happened the DM made the right choice as this behavior should not be tolerated at all. And while I do believe in second chances, that second chance doesn't have to be immediate. I think the real problem started though was that no one in the group seemed to correct the That Guy's misconception that "you can do anything you want." right then and there. Explaining there are rules to what can be done and House/ Table rules that have been collectively agreed upon by the group. Maybe if that was done this would not have happened. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered. But I do think it is necessary to spell that out to new players (either first time ever or just new to the Table/ Group) so at least they have been warned.

[@seto_kaiba_]

IMO DM in Story 2 shoulda been more like DM in Story 1 and vice versa. Story 2 “that guy” just sounds like an edgy player not understanding the boundaries of the game and should be given a warning. Story 1 ”that guy” sounds like an incel lunatic who might be an actual danger irl.