CREEPY DM Gives A Player A Proposition That Will SHOCK YOU

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DnD Doge

DnD Doge

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@LeRodz
@LeRodz 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the universe to finally balance unlucky player's luck and make him spend the next several months rolling nothing but natural 20's.
@stephenstarr9045
@stephenstarr9045 2 жыл бұрын
"Dm gives proposition to player that'll shock you" Doge I've seen enough of your videos to know nothing shocks me anymore.
@pippo17173
@pippo17173 2 жыл бұрын
The last story, that guy isn't into poly. He is basically using it to make a harem and try to force it into reality.
@mrroboshadow
@mrroboshadow Жыл бұрын
yep unless the rest of the horny assholes were his boyfriends (doubt it), dude aint nothing but a horny scumbag like the guys who tell girls they're gay to get female friends then suddenly become bi-curious/ bi/turned straight or whatever, whenever they decide its time to get in their pants
@CaIypso5150
@CaIypso5150 Жыл бұрын
That is how all poly people are you fool. Most just manipulate far better.
@andrewhladun3671
@andrewhladun3671 2 жыл бұрын
That first story (unlucky) was surprisingly wholesome. The party also needs to be commended in my opinion because I always hate running with someone who has garbage luck
@FordPrefict42
@FordPrefict42 2 жыл бұрын
The first story sounds like he has the Will Wheaton curse!?! Will has a long standing history to underperform in dice games.
@myautobiographyafanfic1413
@myautobiographyafanfic1413 2 жыл бұрын
"I roll to seduce" you don't roll to anything. You try something and if the DM tells you to, you roll.
@Karajorma
@Karajorma 2 жыл бұрын
"You tumble to the ground and forward roll. The woman is not impressed" "No I mean I roll dice!" "Why the hell are you telling me, the DM, that you roll anything? I tell you when to roll!"
@myautobiographyafanfic1413
@myautobiographyafanfic1413 2 жыл бұрын
@@Karajorma you said what I said, but 500x better
@BlueTressym
@BlueTressym 2 жыл бұрын
This is something that's not made clear enough in advice to new players OR new DMs.
@mikaneko
@mikaneko 2 жыл бұрын
@@Karajorma "The woman instead is in hysterics laughing and walks away. You now have the reputation as being the town idiot." :3
@Captaincory1
@Captaincory1 2 жыл бұрын
The spell Find Familiar is a ritual spell that needs to be cast with a lit brassier so I feel like other characters would notice someone casting it
@TheLevantin
@TheLevantin 2 жыл бұрын
And the ritual lasts 1 hour.
@benjamingarrett2497
@benjamingarrett2497 2 жыл бұрын
Could have been cast on a night watch.
@boaringday3121
@boaringday3121 Жыл бұрын
I thought material components are optional as long as you have an arcane focus.
@Captaincory1
@Captaincory1 Жыл бұрын
@@boaringday3121 not if the materials have a specified monetary value or are consumed, for find familiar it's 10 gp in charcoal, insense, and herbs that are consumed in the brazier's fire
@justsomeloserlol
@justsomeloserlol 2 жыл бұрын
goddamn, that first story ALMOST sounds like me, my group has joked about my luck that they seriously letting me have the lucky feat for every character i make
@KatarnandKanos
@KatarnandKanos 2 жыл бұрын
Great thing about Sigil, it has a built in countermeasure to That Guys. She's called the Lady of Pain, and she is fearsome.
@therismetrengaarde8315
@therismetrengaarde8315 2 жыл бұрын
If you ever played Planescape, you definitely know that the Lady is nobody you want to fuck with. Good on you for having that, my dude.
@SamWeltzin
@SamWeltzin 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. One of the few things in D&D never statted. Even gods were statted, but never The Lady of Pain. That's how insanely powerful she is.
@johngleeman8347
@johngleeman8347 2 жыл бұрын
@@SamWeltzin Caine and the Lady of Pain cannot be hurt, cannot be slain. XD
@fructosecornsyrup5759
@fructosecornsyrup5759 2 жыл бұрын
Boy, I know it would probably never feasibly happen, but damn do I wanna make a LoP warlock so bad.
@TF2BluSoldier
@TF2BluSoldier 2 жыл бұрын
For that first story - get that man into Dark Heresy. If he can roll 1s on a D100 reliably? He'll be unstoppable.
@MaxinEve
@MaxinEve 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Think on the criticals to the head he's gonna have, Or the Psyker explosions while channeling the Warp.
@mrroboshadow
@mrroboshadow Жыл бұрын
@@MaxinEve i mean if he's THAT unlucky im gonna bet if he does play it, he'll suddenly start rolling high numbers
@Michaeljack81sk
@Michaeljack81sk 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like there might be more to Joe's story than just a Problem Player. I wouldn't mind hearing Joe's side
@AM-yk5yd
@AM-yk5yd 10 ай бұрын
Well, OP specifically omitted lots of things: "going insane bit, dead spirit crow and much more I won't mention here".
@TheMightyBattleSquid
@TheMightyBattleSquid 2 жыл бұрын
8:52 Yeah, at least they went out with a bang. It's sure to be ammo-ment to remember 😉
@K_i_t_t_y84
@K_i_t_t_y84 2 жыл бұрын
Commenting to support you Doge, Love your channel and your kitties ♥♥
@Sigilstone17
@Sigilstone17 2 жыл бұрын
Guy in story 1 would be amazing in games using the 2d20 system (it's all about rolling below a threshold and achieving a certain number of "successes" to pass a challenge)
@spectrelead
@spectrelead 2 жыл бұрын
With his 'luck', he'd start rolling the big numbers in such a system
@Sigilstone17
@Sigilstone17 2 жыл бұрын
@@spectrelead just donate him to science at that point
@spectrelead
@spectrelead 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sigilstone17 Truth!
@starbird3939
@starbird3939 2 жыл бұрын
Story 1 I have a running gag that my pc is the most inattentive person in the world because she usually rolls low on perception rolls.
@DnDDoge
@DnDDoge 2 жыл бұрын
Our Cleric always rolls super bad on acrobatics checks, that our characters always ask if he needs help walking up a hill.
@DarthJudicar22
@DarthJudicar22 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, on that first one it sounds like Wil Wheaton may have competition.
@nnickplays9713
@nnickplays9713 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you again for the videos! Always a treat! By the way, Rygar, how is that game? Is it any good?
@DnDDoge
@DnDDoge 2 жыл бұрын
I like it. Like a more tame God of War.
@stephenblevins3829
@stephenblevins3829 2 жыл бұрын
The Bladerunner RPG is a Free League game. One of our gaming group just got his Kickstarter in last week and we played it last Saturday. It was really fun.
@rustyshackleford1910
@rustyshackleford1910 2 жыл бұрын
After two crit rolls the blade runner dm should have declared that the bazooka guy realized how dumb pulling the trigger would be and swung the bazooka instead, knocking the replicant to prone and damaging it
@Pyrrha312
@Pyrrha312 2 жыл бұрын
This. Punishing the group because one player rolled well is just absurd. Make the rocket go through the bad guy, and then off the window with the baddie in tow.
@MaxinEve
@MaxinEve 2 жыл бұрын
if it was Warhammer, this dude was amazing. A critical hit on the head. The gore was ensued.
@truerandomness
@truerandomness 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, it's me, u/LittleBrassGoggles. I just wanted to say thank you for reading my story. You're totally sweet!
@frederikklotzskov9673
@frederikklotzskov9673 Жыл бұрын
seriously have this people never heard of craigslist?! 'cause that's why we have craigslist!
@PaladinGear15
@PaladinGear15 2 жыл бұрын
When they killed the guy's familiar, that was just the players being dicks. Even if they thought it was just some random animal, do they always go around murdering random animals for no reason? Nah, they metagamed to know it was it was his familiar and killed it just to be jerks. Kinda like how Matt Mercer randomly has town guards abandon their duties to go out of their way to kill Caleb's familiar when they have no reason to do so (happened 3 times from what I remember, then there was the gelatinous cube ignoring everyone else to kill the cat).
@Captaincory1
@Captaincory1 2 жыл бұрын
I left my own comment saying the other characters should've noticed him performing a ritual with a lit brassier that the spell demands
@Kennisaurus
@Kennisaurus 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry what? Why would he do something like that? Does he genuinely think animal murder is funny or something?
@TheLevantin
@TheLevantin 2 жыл бұрын
In a world where the vampire lord is spying on you through animals and there's a spooky ghost bird flying around, the thought that it's a danger is very reasonable. Also, this animal is not a real animal. It is not a spirit that can neither die nor feel pain. It's an example of players not metagaming. Would you assume that this particular bird is not dangerous, but everyone else is, that's metagaming. The players didn't do anything wrong, neither did the DM or the ritual caster. It's a classic misunderstanding
@PaladinGear15
@PaladinGear15 2 жыл бұрын
@@Captaincory1 If they did see it then they'd know its his familiar and once again have no reason to kill it beyond being jerks.
@TheLevantin
@TheLevantin 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kennisaurus You do know that the animals in DnD aren't real and only exist in the imagination, right? And "killing" something that neither exists nor lives is impossible, and to say so is utterly absurd. No real being was hurt in this story. And there are meta-levels of humor where the act of hurting an animal can be funny. I can't explain the complex world of humor to you now. As I said: In these jokes no real animal is hurt and you laugh at a meta level that doesn't exist. Nobody finds it funny that a real animal gets hurt. But nobody here, neither in the video nor in the comments, has said anything like that. You argue against a straw man.
@fructosecornsyrup5759
@fructosecornsyrup5759 2 жыл бұрын
My roommate successfully seduced a door once. It wouldn't open for anyone else but him from that point onwards.
@Royalbluelemonz
@Royalbluelemonz 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, the curse of eternal bad luck. I roll sub par myself, and it seems like a everyone else I play with seldom rolls below a 15. I've become partial to playing support and skill monkies, because I just know I'll be useless if I try to actively do anything in a game. And my rolls reverse luck if a ttrpg requires low rolls; I only roll high. This happens with physical dice, online dice rollers, etc. I even took turns rolling a single dice with a friend and consistently rolled lower than he did every single time. It can be a bit disheartening, especially when a DM tells you that you missed something that would've been really useful previously because you just didn't roll high enough.
@FirstDarkAngel2001
@FirstDarkAngel2001 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah... always ask first on preferences, and also boundaries very much so. You also are completely correct, Doge. Polyamory is WAY different than what happened. I hate greatly of people throwing that out so easily when they aren't, giving actual ones a bad name. Sry, small rant based on I once upon a time being one.
@Densoro
@Densoro 2 жыл бұрын
I relate to that unluckiest player. I didn't play D&D for very long, but I had several combats where I rolled exclusively 3s and 5s on my d20. And I do mean 'exclusively' -- not any 4s. My DM once gave me _five mulligans on a single turn_ so that I could successfully hit _one enemy_ before combat ended. I've been shopping around on indie TTRPGs that can mitigate that sort of 'dicefuckery.' Tenra Bansho Zero lets you spend points of life force to boost rolls -- but if you spend all your life force, you either die or become a hostile NPC.
@deepseastonecore3017
@deepseastonecore3017 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 4 all the hard work.
@Azazyael
@Azazyael Жыл бұрын
My elf in 2nd edition rolled a skunk for his find familiar. I gleefully introduced Mr Stinkybottom to EVERYONE.
@Zane13pyro
@Zane13pyro 2 жыл бұрын
The unlucky player should play a a halfling School of Divination Wizard with lucky feat lol
@tsifirakiehl4250
@tsifirakiehl4250 2 жыл бұрын
First story: Oof. Well, at least they’re trying to accommodate this poor guy. Second story: First of all, I’m amazed that OP has dreams coherent enough to make one-shots out of. Second of all, that table sounded like a nightmare to DM for. Here’s hoping OP can run that game again with a decent set of players. Third story: To be fair to the party, they at least managed to take out their targets. Fourth story: I have to admit, I kind of feel bad for Joe. Sure, the characters didn’t know the crow was his familiar, but a) from their perspective, it was just a random animal which they had no reason to kill, and b) the players DID know and chose to have their characters murder their friend’s pet. If I was in Joe’s position, I would have left the group when that happened, because in-character, my pet is now dead and I don’t want to travel with the people who murdered it, and the fact that they didn’t know it was my pet makes it worse because now I know that they’re the kind of people who go around killing random animals for kicks. Out of character, I would no longer want to play with people who would kill another PC’s pet just to be mean. Joe was definitely unreasonable later on, but the way the other players treated him was not okay. Fifth story: Polyamory is irrelevant to the horror of this story. The real horror is the fact that this person’s idea of seduction is SITTING THERE AND WATCHING THEIR FRIEND MAKE R@PE THREATS TO OP! There’s absolutely nothing hot about that situation, and anyone who thinks there is has serious issues.
@gazblackheart4596
@gazblackheart4596 2 жыл бұрын
Say what you want about ICP music but one of the main dudes is super wholesome about his furry daughter and everything I hear about the fans seems positive and accepting. I never liked them as a music group but just seeing random coverage of them they seem like pretty good people despite the content of their songs. All I really know about the music is that fucking magnets meme lol.
@gurmyigoll3535
@gurmyigoll3535 2 жыл бұрын
Is the thumbnail Sam Bankman-Fried? It's quite good.
@ryanrizzo4869
@ryanrizzo4869 2 жыл бұрын
Why, WHY do some of these people feel like the last story's players think it is O-fucking-K to creep on people like that?! The minute a hand touched my thigh, I'd be swinging. Period.
@stoicshield
@stoicshield 2 жыл бұрын
Unlucky dude should play a different system, where rolling low is good... but that probably means he suddenly rolls super high XD
@justingibson4111
@justingibson4111 2 жыл бұрын
The blade runner story; I’m pretty sure most projectile based explosives have a minimum travel distance before they can detonate
@kisaknight626
@kisaknight626 2 жыл бұрын
For the story with the troll and seeing/noticing the trolls aversion to fire, I think a low perception check, unrolled as it could be noticed with the "Passive Perception" save should have been enough. But as a DM, that is how I would have played it out.
@vortega472
@vortega472 2 жыл бұрын
Little Lucky the Ninja cat! Sort of LOL. As to the last story - Poor OP - that just sucks she (and others) have to go through stuff like this. As a DM I'd like to say I never pulled that crap - but unfortunately I was inappropriate to one female player - and I just wish I could go back in time and slap myself for my actions. Allison - if you are by chance reading this - I'm sorry I was a jerk to you and inappropriate.
@theofficerfactory2625
@theofficerfactory2625 2 жыл бұрын
That poor player is story 1. Don't let them roll on the wild magic table! They could end the world!!!! The Bladerunner one. So stupid! As someone who knows how AT-M's work, there are models that can be fired indoors but... backblast and then the overpressure wave of the impact... yeah. Stupid.
@CooperAATE
@CooperAATE 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao that poor first guy
@ryanrizzo4869
@ryanrizzo4869 2 жыл бұрын
"Though, I liked Insane Clown Posse when I was 13, but I got better." Lol. Oh, thank the Hods. XD
@JacobL228
@JacobL228 2 жыл бұрын
Please stop giving people that don't deserve it the benefit of the doubt; being 13 doesn't mean you're brain-dead. I know I, for one, was nowhere near that bad when I was that age (I liked playing RuneScape and listening to The All-American Rejects, not seducing and killing everything I see in a TTRPG); those people were just trolls.
@peger
@peger 2 жыл бұрын
2:30 We should look at this from the brighter side. What is the chance of constantly rolling so low? brity low :D Maybe he should try lottery
@Ironbattlemace
@Ironbattlemace 2 жыл бұрын
Understanding laughter at ICP.
@silverwizardess7921
@silverwizardess7921 2 жыл бұрын
A great way to wake up. Thanks for these videos.
@price763
@price763 Жыл бұрын
For the very unlucky player. I have two ideas. 1. Reverse his dice. 1 is worth a 20. And a 20 is a 1. 2. Play a bard with college of eloquence. He cannot fail a charisma check even if he rolls low.
@KugelBlitz0
@KugelBlitz0 2 жыл бұрын
RIP lost frying pan.
@LatulaArts
@LatulaArts 2 жыл бұрын
The one group who meets consistently at my local game shop is.. idk if I can call them a polycule... but they're all dating the one girl in the group and just kinda pass her around like a toy and they tried to get my friend to join the group and their relationship. She warned me about them when I was considering asking about their game. Dodged a bullet.
@flexiblenerd
@flexiblenerd 2 жыл бұрын
1st story: how much you wanna bet he played with Will Wheaton?
@Specnerd7
@Specnerd7 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, my favorite doge of the internet. What a good morning
@slacknhash
@slacknhash 2 жыл бұрын
It's a shame those bazooka bladerunners won't live, but then... who does?
@nickwyrmfang
@nickwyrmfang 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow. Rygar gameplay. Now THAT takes me back.
@xzenitramx666
@xzenitramx666 2 жыл бұрын
Dices hate me too. This felt close.
@Lothmar22
@Lothmar22 2 жыл бұрын
Have they tried rolling with the spoon?
@alextheguardianangel
@alextheguardianangel 2 жыл бұрын
great to see my story in there, (the Joe one), keep it up doge!
@RiveroftheWither
@RiveroftheWither 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your loss. Honestly Joe sounds like the type to set Skyrim to Novice difficulty and use cheat mods or console commands to max out skill levels, perks and get 10,000 hp because he can't anything not going his characters way. Everything you described was either just normal player bad luck that effected everyone or the players behaving reasonably in situations. I really don't get the logic of blaming you for the other characters killing a seemingly random crow stalking them. I too would assume some enemy caster of some kind was spying on us unless he said otherwise. What was even the point of him keeping the familiar secret anyway? I just don't get it.
@kelpiekit4002
@kelpiekit4002 2 жыл бұрын
The unluckiest player needs to play Call of Cthulhu. Then he might start rolling high.
@romanov3937
@romanov3937 2 жыл бұрын
WTF was that last story god fucking damn.
@nickmanzo8459
@nickmanzo8459 2 жыл бұрын
Rolling a 1 on a d100 would be amazing in Call of Cthulhu!
@scarsgaard1834
@scarsgaard1834 Жыл бұрын
Dude. I'm 51 and icp is still one of my fav bands :😜
@ChaosCounseling
@ChaosCounseling 2 жыл бұрын
Oh shit were did lucky come from
@rugtub3744
@rugtub3744 2 жыл бұрын
One doesnt get better from ICP, fam. D&D with the clown till Im dead in the ground.
@Thedragonlover95
@Thedragonlover95 2 жыл бұрын
Solid Lucky, Meow Gear
@Tirath
@Tirath 2 жыл бұрын
The unlucky player should give Warhammer Fantasy Role Play a try (2e). Low rolls are successes, though their damage would probably still suffer.
@SirWasted
@SirWasted 2 жыл бұрын
i want to try out some online ttrpg, never done it before, can some1 in these comments recomend where and how to start ? ty :)
@LokienSilver
@LokienSilver 2 жыл бұрын
The second story… a grassland? In Sigil?
@KrazyKoto
@KrazyKoto 2 жыл бұрын
So I have never played DnD... I have a question with that second to the last story with the troll. Are you not able to just cast random elemental spells to see what the monster is weak against? Does it have to be found out through perception? In RPGs all I tend to do is cast random elements and if I notice something hits harder, I start spamming that. Are you not able to make your character do that in DnD?
@lycansniper2295
@lycansniper2295 2 жыл бұрын
You can usually do it with random spell slinging, assuming that your DM bothers to mention that X or Y spell seemed to really hurt the creature. I learned the hard way in Pathfinder that the JubJub bird changes elemental resistances when struck. So my fist shot with an ice enchanted bow was fine but the second shot at best annoyed it.
@kamidarko
@kamidarko Жыл бұрын
Biggest horror story I have ever heard form this channel is that you were into ICP. Woop Woop indeed.
@colinchildress1251
@colinchildress1251 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos keep me going.
@bilonic111
@bilonic111 2 жыл бұрын
That first guy should try playing Call of Chthulu
@vegetin01
@vegetin01 Жыл бұрын
Was the putting a hand on your thigh in game or out of game?
@Qwerty95ish
@Qwerty95ish 2 жыл бұрын
I have the reverse luck. Over two games my d20 average was a 14 ish Twist I am the DM, my players figured this out.
@starbird3939
@starbird3939 2 жыл бұрын
Last Story Yeah, I not only would have asked for a transfer, but I would have also shown manager the text. Dude is a fucking creepo
@broke_af_games9661
@broke_af_games9661 Жыл бұрын
I'm sort of like that unluckiest player. It's just a thing for some people LOL So I'm usually the dungeon master and everybody's happy because of it. Lol. But when I play, I try to Play support. Unless you actively stop me, I can't fail at cure wounds.
@JohnSmith-jv7mv
@JohnSmith-jv7mv 2 жыл бұрын
MAGNETS!
@religiousotaku9926
@religiousotaku9926 2 жыл бұрын
Side note Rygar was my shit as a teen
@balazsvarga1823
@balazsvarga1823 2 жыл бұрын
Was the first player a beautiful blonde paladin lady from the Dustiness noble family?
@legionofyuri
@legionofyuri 2 жыл бұрын
Little pet peeve about the second-to-the-last story. Why people lock away in-game information they deem very important to the players behind knowledge or perception rolls I will never understand. If it's legitimate important enough information, just allow the players to find it without rolling jeez.
@chuckwolf9869
@chuckwolf9869 Жыл бұрын
wil wheaton?
@SnaxTheSnaxolotl
@SnaxTheSnaxolotl 2 жыл бұрын
Heyoooo I’m finally on time
@Ginger_bearded_bro_88
@Ginger_bearded_bro_88 2 жыл бұрын
If we're being honest here, doge, I was a juggalo too. I also got better but have a tattoo to remind me of my cringey past every single day.
@OxyMauron
@OxyMauron 2 жыл бұрын
I had a feeling the poly story would be underwhelming. I was wrong, but focusing on the polycule aspect was really burying the lede. One guy threatens character rape, another goes out of his way to get handsy, and DM tops it off with a romantic invitation.
@slagarcrue85
@slagarcrue85 2 жыл бұрын
To dnd doggie 5 short stories in 19 minutes. You spoil this fox and your other subscribers doggie as much as you spoil your 6 adorable cats. Have a great day dude.
@Jermbot15
@Jermbot15 2 жыл бұрын
They had two sessions and there are too many complaints for you to list? Either he complains about silly stuff or something is wrong here.
@joswire44
@joswire44 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man I really love your videos! I am also trying to grow a channel and I really appreciate your consistency. Keep up the good work friend!
@Rtrstormghost327
@Rtrstormghost327 Жыл бұрын
Omg that’s funny
@slagarcrue85
@slagarcrue85 2 жыл бұрын
You had the right to crack those sick guys jewels girl in finale storey. You put your foot down and get reasonable absertive girl.
@RiveroftheWither
@RiveroftheWither 2 жыл бұрын
I used to like Simple Plan when I was 13 but then I got better.
@adamtifone9243
@adamtifone9243 Жыл бұрын
That player needs to buy new dice, and destroy his old ones while his new ones watch. To show them what happens when the dice screw him. Lol
@caldycat
@caldycat 2 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with what you said at the end. No one should be fired for behavior outside of work.If he were to be fired, that would set up both the op and employer for potential lawsuits for wrongful termination. It would be as if you were fired from any job because you read reddit stories online. You did nothing wrong at your job, but they still fired you because of non workplace activity.
@slagarcrue85
@slagarcrue85 2 жыл бұрын
Teenagers what a troublesome annoyence and serious problem they can be if not disciplined enough that is ethically acceptable by the majority of sane people.
@cassiopeia_real
@cassiopeia_real 2 жыл бұрын
the first story is 100% fake lmao
@CallMeKes
@CallMeKes 2 жыл бұрын
I feel really bad for the girl in that last story because of how much it upset her. But did she try telling them to stop/knock it off? I wouldn't call it sexual harassment or even warranting her reaction unless she told them to leave her be and they kept it up. However, they also should have told her their interests in her before the game. So, issues with this group all around.
@dadanny187
@dadanny187 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine dissing a band that makes more money and they make better content than yourself 😉😜
@ashrannafkhiend9728
@ashrannafkhiend9728 2 жыл бұрын
dudemanbro from the first story would be great at THAC0
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