Do You Really NEED a Heavy Duty Truck When a New Half-ton Can Tow So Much?

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[@NorthernRiderOffroad]

These comparisons are amazing and answer so many questions. Thank you guys, awesome work!!!

[@alexbradley5835]

Can you guys try to do this with the ram 1500 vs 2500 and same with Silverado 1500 and 2500?? At least consider it. This is a great video guys

[@TinS0lder]

@@alexbradley5835 I want to see it vs a cumming diesel. Throw anything you got at it.

[@alexbradley5835]

@@TinS0lder that's a great idea too. I prefer dodge over ford personally

[@buzzard2872]

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[@TheMrNeffels]

My Heart: Heavy Duty Truck My brain: Half-ton does everything I need My wallet: used, first gen chevy volt thats been in an accident

[@Digger927]

Lol!

[@jayc4715]

😂

[@jg8263]

And if many half-ton owners were honest, they could have made due with a mid-sized truck for their towing needs. Current mid-sized trucks are mostly the same size and capability as late 90s/early 2000s half tons. I personally think that the reason manufacturers have chosen to make mid-sized truck beds just slightly too narrow to flat load 4x8 plywood is because if they did make them wide enough, it would destroy their half-ton sales to those that don't need half-ton towing levels but end up needing to buy a half ton for weekend trips to Lowes for sheetrock and plywood. I know it sounds like a conspiracy, but notice that the only mid-sized truck whose manufacturer doesn't offer a half-ton, is also the only one whose bed can flat load 4x8 material, and up to 1580 lbs of it at that, which is actually in the range of what half-tons do depending on engine and trim options.

[@Bostonharborwater]

😂

[@proudamerican5518]

Bahahahahaha!!!

[@BenJaminLongTime]

The one thing I learned from this is that modern trucks are too pricy

[@Flinty88]

Yeah dude and they drop price so quickly it's hard to justify buying brand new. Around here a 65,000 sticker truck can drop to 45,000 in 2 years.

[@YoFool.1506]

They start at 28k, just gotta order those straight from the factory.

[@AString95]

We bought a 2017 Ram 2500 slt Cummins with 13k miles two years ago for 45K. Way better price than these trucks.

[@hellinkillar5057]

@@AString95 and yet neither Dodge nor Chev make the top ten for best trucks

[@AString95]

@@hellinkillar5057 just because it doesn't make a subjective list doesn't mean it's a bad product m8.

[@jdjames997]

The maintenance and fuel issue is something people seem to overlook on diesel vs gas trucks. With the higher tow ratings of 1/2 ton trucks in recent years, the only real need for a 3/4 ton or larger is when your regularly crossing that 8k-9k tow rating, otherwise the 1/2 ton is a much better all around driver. The thing I noticed on the new F250’s is how tall they sit stock, even the bed is much taller than most 1/2 ton trucks. If you put material or even “”Costco” size groceries in the bed of an F250 FX4 you almost need a ladder to unload it. For a contractor or someone who regularly uses the bed for lumber, flooring, whatever, many of the 3/4 ton trucks are a pain to unload, period. Besides increased maintenance costs, fuel mileage is a consideration while NOT towing. If you actually drive the truck without a trailer regularly, the gas 1/2 tons usually get better fuel mileage. My GMC Sierra 5.3 gets 23-28 mpg on the highway, and doesn’t bounce all over the road like many diesel 3/4 ton trucks I’ve driven (without a load). I’ve considered buying a 3/4 ton truck to tow my boat which is 7,500 lbs (loaded), because it will tow better and with less effort. But if I managed to get my boat out say 15 times in one season (never, not possible) the diesel 3/4 ton would suck for the rest of the year, and when I’m not towing. If your a contractor and need to tow a skid steer or equipment around or a horse trailer (or a 5th wheel RV), a 3/4 or 1 ton truck is a necessity, but for the other 75% of diesel trucks running around, it’s just a waste of a truck, fuel, oil, and increased maintenance costs (injectors in new trucks are insanely expensive, so once your warranty is up your on the hook, sometimes upward for $1,000 each just for the part..., I’m in the parts business, it’s a fact). Everyone always claims that diesel trucks last so much longer it’s worth it- I call BS, the engine lasts longer (not without major maintenance on fuel systems and others), but what about the rest of the truck, like that 12” “awesome” touchscreen, how much do you think thats going to cost to replace at 101,000 miles? Because you know it will inevitably fail when the warranty runs out! (Murphy’s Law)👎 or wheel bearings, or that killer “10 Speed” transmission that only takes 10 quarts of super duper “synthetic” Gucci fluid? Diesel engines can go 300k plus miles, while the rest of the truck literally starts to fall apart at 125k miles...if you need it, you need it, MOST people don’t, they just want to look cool...

[@rickmcdaniel6784]

I have a 2018 F-150 FX4 Supercab with a 5.0 motor. A few weeks ago I hauled a 2,000 lb' load in the bed of the truck. It was a heavy load for sure but the truck didn't feel overloaded. The load was plywood, loaded to the top of the bed, 1 more sheet would have been against the back window. The truck handled it fine. I drove empty 60 miles, picked up the load and went about 30 miles with the big load, unloaded all but about 200 lbs, drove that 200 lb. load another 60 miles and delivered it, another 40 miles home and averaged 19 MPG for the run. I love my truck!

[@APEAcademy]

I'm shopping for an F450 to haul my dog in.

[@joeschmoe6021]

I have three dogs in my F450. Its all you need.

[@TheSteelerider]

Might be a bit small.

[@DownHillgamer]

Might need a 550 for that brother

[@barryon8706]

For when Clifford has to go to the vet.

[@dennisholmgren9302]

My F-450 is easier to park than my F250 was.

[@photon1972]

We went with both. My wife drives a 2019 f150 with 5.0L and I drive a 2018 f250 gas. Both are 4x4 XLT packages with crew cab and standard beds. Both are set up for bumper and gooseneck. The f150 is an awesome daily driver and pulls wonderfully up to about 4 tons total trailer weight. Anything above that and it all feels squishy (frame/suspension/tires) compared to the super duty. The f250 is an acceptable daily driver and feels great with 6 tons on a gooseneck, but is a tight fit in parking and is harder to maneuver in traffic. We leverage each trucks' strengths. When we go on a date, we take hers. When we move the cattle, she pulls the OK-corral and I pull the stock trailer with the cattle or when we maintain CRP ground, she pulls the side-by-side & sprayer and I pull the tractor & bat wing mower. It's a perfect match. When in doubt, get one of each!

[@Pilot545]

Robert Isaak Finally an objective comparison! We went with the F-150. We have a 32’ Jayco that is nominally loaded at about 7200 lbs. it grosses at 8200 I think. I def concur with you about the 8,000 lbs. Our truck pulls it NO problem (3.5 EB) but I’d def want a SD for anything much bigger. But for daily drive-ability for the 90% other times I drive it, I’m super glad I went with the F-150. Also, I HATE leaving my vehicles outside so, until we move to a place with a large detached barn or super-sized garage, it’s half-ton for me. Anyway, def appreciate the comment! 😊 I can def see a SD in my future one day. Love them both!!

[@phtevenmolz5030]

Just in case anyone reading this thinks they should buy a half ton for use with a gooseneck or fifth wheel, don't. The frame is not reinforced, braced, and gusseted like a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup. The torsional rigidity of an F150 frame is abysmal compared to an F250 frame (which is laughable because the F250 already has the weakest frame of the 3/4 ton trucks). Not to mention that most GNs and 5ers are nearly at, or sometimes above, the upper limits of a half ton while they're empty. And the MOST important thing was never addressed in this video - braking systems. If you're using a half ton with a gooseneck, you're probably autistic.

[@seabreezeof]

Exactly, like you I have 150 & 350, night and day when it comes to towing.. Prefer the 150 around town, just easier to park and get around. On the road 350 all day

[@rgjr.6055]

The AC stopped working in our minivan. I told my wife well it’s time for you to start driving my F150 and it’s time for me to trade in the van and get an F250.

[@phtevenmolz5030]

@Vegas EMT go look up independent torsional rigidity frame tests. Fords fail miserably from front to rear. It's why core supports destroying themselves until 2012 when they redesigned the frame in the engine compartment was a real issue. Too bad they didn't fix the problems with the frame under the cab and bed until 2017. And no, they still don't stand up to their competition. You can see it in more testing, which should have been obvious when Ford announced they were finally boxing, but using less HSS. F150 brakes are not adequate simply because you turn up the gain to an ungodly level. You still need to be able to stop a trailer in the event of controller or brake failure. That's why the F250s already have brakes made to handle 3 times the weight (as evidenced by differences in pad sizes, caliper piston sizes, and rotor sizes). And that's BEFORE we get into supplemental systems like exhaust brake systems that make the gap even wider between the two. The parking brake must also be able to maintain position on a 7% grade without the aid of the parking pawl - something the half ton was not designed for. Also, did you just suggest the frames were upgraded and now potentially as strong as the competition while also suggesting that they were never weaker? Do you not see the irony? Furthermore, pin weight is NOT the only issue. Many GN or 5ers are already heavy enough to put an F150 at GCWR when they are EMPTY. My LIGHTEST GN only leaves 1,500lbs load capacity before being at an F150s GCWR. Uhhh... isn't that supposedly worse than the truck's payload capacity in the first place? There's far more than just brakes that go into GCWR ratings - truck weight, wheelbase, acceleration under load, gearing ratio and axle size, braking systems, transmission size, spring capacity, etc. The F150 is literally only an equal on one of those. They are not made to tow with GN or 5ers.

[@jamesmcintire3800]

The $10k price difference here is largely represented by the cost of the Diesel engine. Compare a similar F-250 with the 6.2 gas motor and the price difference suddenly becomes a lot narrower. And if you’re towing 9000 lbs the diesel is completely overkill. The 6.2 will do that just as easily as the 6.7 diesel. Ford’s 6.2 is a very good motor that doesn’t get nearly the respect it deserves!

[@clifft7832]

You must live at sea level. In the Colorado mountains, you will get rear ended by a semi when you are towing with a 6.2. The turbo part of the diesel is a great altitude equalizer.

[@Hotrodford]

The gas engine will burn a lot more fuel.

[@Hotrodford]

A half ton pickup works fine for most people, but if I used my truck in construction work, etc. I would have at the least a 3/4 ton.

[@Majorbanjo]

It's all about stopping....without an exhaust brake the gas can't compete with the diesel towing anything....

[@reekiegardner2599]

My 5.0 man handles 8,500lbs at 6,000 feet above sea level here in Arizona….if it needs a turbo factory it’s under powered…i said what i said

[@jlen82]

So I took away from this video that Nathan is into S&M.

[@bsoundsreal]

And is a Steelers fan. Related? Mmmmmm....probably.

[@jimquigley2382]

Couldn't wait until I got to the point in the video that this comment made sense. LOL.

[@robedmund9948]

No judging. He's working hard to get us info!

[@dontask8979]

He's a dip shit. Of ZERO VALUE to TFL.

[@frankdusome5028]

I've downsized from the F350 6.7 turbo deisel right down to the f150 gas 5L coyote FX4. Although I could tow just a out anything with the 350, my 150 is much more comfortable for daily driving and I can still tow my fifth wheel with the f150 10,500 capability and the full tow package including engine break feature, large rear end (and mirrors). I love my f150 now. Like driving a car for comfort but can still do the heavy towing when needed.

[@Dungulus]

Nobody: Nathan: put this leash around my neck and choke me

[@JoeGarofaloII]

😳

[@zachbeach4463]

As someone who had to make this decision back in 2017, I found that most of the F-150’s were the same price if not more expensive then an F-250 4x4 with a gas engine. The dealers put a lot of incentives on the F-150’s to bring the price down. Needless to say, I went with the F-250 Gas and haven’t looked back since. #6.2Lfolife

[@eatdafat7101]

Did the same in 19. All the 150s were coming in above what I got my 250 for because they all had extra options but also the short beds.

[@brainzyummy4574]

Agreed, but from driving a 2019 250 with the 6.2 I wish I had gotten the 7.3 V8 but who knows maybe I’ll be able to get a 10speed for my 6.2 soon

[@IraqVet0608]

Question. You have had the Super duty for 6 years now, what are your thoughts now? I currently have a 2008 lariat with the 5.4 but I have the light duty rear axle and trans and now have a 30ft/5000lbs travel trailer and really need to upgrade. I’m considering an ‘18-20 f150/f250 (gas). My big concern w the super duty is the ride and fuel as this would be my daily driver.

[@nathanjohnson3668]

I made the switch from a 5.0l f150 to a 6.2l f250 and I love the switch. That said, if you’re only towing 5k trailer. Keep the f150. If you plan to go up into the 5-10k range on trailers, then definitely go gas 250. Anything over 10k, start looking at diesels lol. There is a noticeable change in ride between the two trucks as the half ton is more car like and the HD trucks ride like, well, trucks lol. Mpg was worse too. As for length, my f150 was the 6.5’ CC and I went to the 6.8’ CC 250 so drivability due to length was not different. Hope that helps.

[@adolfhonkler8324]

A gas v8 f 250 would have been a better comparison.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

Adolf Honkler they couldn’t get one I guess

[@MidSouthUTV]

That's my problem with my next Ford truck. I want something that tows but not diesel heavy duty towing. So that's why I'm interested in the Boss 6.2L or the Godzilla 7.3L.....but for a daily driver, all I need is a F150 Coyote 5.0L. But I do tow on the weekends that I would be more convenient & comfortable with a Super Duty.

[@alexbradley5835]

@@MidSouthUTV does it matter which gas rating or if you use flex fuel does it make a significant difference?

[@JeepCherokeeful]

Mid_South_RZR the 7.3 with it’s standard 10 speed automatic is gonna rock the commercial world. Resale should be in a class of its own too. GM REALLY dropped the ball. Ram is steadily eating them alive. How can GM be so lost? They’re the class clown now!

[@engineeringVirtue]

Yes, 2020 f250 7.3l gas 10 spd auto 6.5ft bed w/ tremor feature pack seems to be golden ticket for a long term household/family investment. Just never sell it. Pass it down to kids. Only concern I have is if some states go 100% EV in 15-20yrs....it would be nice if minimal hybrid hybrid battery included to be legally compliant, even if gas fuel used 99% of time. Trucks are so expensive - needs to last 20-30yrs if well maintained.

[@jeandufresne9225]

Just wanted to say that I appreciate you guys for all the truck comparisons you do.

[@DatCarGuy350]

I shop at Sam’s Club. So yeah, I will need a F250

[@hunterdan2002]

What most people fail to realize is that the weight of passengers, cargo and trailer tongue weight are all part of your payload. Add a family of 4, subtract 600 from 1500 and your down to 900 pounds, add in 200 pounds of gear, and your down to 700 pounds payload. At 10% tongue weight, you're 10000 pound rated truck went to 7000 pounds, still not bad, but passenger weight and cargo/luggage can go up too and you can easily top out at 5000 pounds or less. That same 800 pounds of cargo/passengers in the 3/4 ton from the video puts you at 1200 pounds of payload or 12k towing.

[@dylanluhowy]

That’s true. Of course, payload ratings vary and some F-150s have the same or more payload as this F-250.

[@hunterdan2002]

@@dylanluhowy true, but those will be on the more base model, smaller engine trucks that won't as high of a tow rating to start.

[@shaneb5284]

And if you don't want to look like grandpa driving down the road with boring wheels, 3/4 tons have plenty of capacity to throw a little away for liking how your truck looks :)

[@dsmitty8991]

TFL trucks you guys do an amazing job, keep it up and thank you!! I (and a lot of others I’ve spoken with) would love to see some 1/2 vs 3/4 ton comparisons with hauling travel trailers, specifically in that 7-9k lbs crossover range!

[@jamesc.5734]

Nathan should get a raise, he's working like a dog. ;O)

[@jamesc.5734]

​@Benjamin Mathew It was a joke, that they put a clocker chain on him. thus the smiley face.

[@josueduran6881]

R/woooosh

[@jameela7899]

If I get a heavy duty it would be purely preference. My lifestyle just doesn't require a heavy duty.... But I love em!

[@MONNIEHOLT]

Love you guys and how you’re able to work together, it’s nice to have friends like you guys are, Great demo by the way, I have a F350 lariat on order should be here in nine weeks

[@donsoucy37]

Had a f 150 10200 towing capacity towing a 8800 lb dry camper 5000 miles per year and no way could tow safely with weight transfer hitch. Now have a f250 with 15000 lb capacity and fell a lot safer no white knuckles, so now I am a BIG f 250 fan.

[@chrisreynolds7482]

Don Soucy completely agree. My buddy gave me his f350 srw to tow my camper (they take the camper out as a swap) it is just insanely different in the comfort and confidence in towing. Even my wife says how much of an improved difference it is just as a passenger. Yep... upgrading the truck next year... ;-)

[@94SexyStang]

Yep, I have an old F250....and it's STILL an impressive beast....Huugee difference stepping up to 3/4 ton+

[@hdpptowing5736]

Don Soucy, that dry weight would be stretching my HDPP, and I wouldn't tow that with an off the lot 1/2 ton either. That weight is when you need a HD truck, but the upper limits of the most capable 1/2 ton is a 10,000lbs max weight trailer, if within all weigh limits...I wouldn't go any higher.

[@desmondwhite4429]

Y’all need Don Soucy nonnnnakxxnzs nhio

[@JeepCherokeeful]

1/2 tons aren’t really trucks anymore, as far as being used for work. But a 3/4 or 1 ton also drives more like one. The big American boat has been replaced by body on frame SUVs and 1/2 tons.

[@trulyhappy8855]

Love the style you chose to approach this with! Lots of fun, great video with excellent entertainment value and obviously loaded with info

[@thestuffz]

I bought the F250 with 6.2 Gas. Went from a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel and it was a Night/Day difference. I have a real truck again!

[@406Steven]

After driving a Jeep with the EcoDiesel I can't imagine that engine in a truck, it wasn't entirely gutless but definitely not something I'd count on for rush hour highway merging.

[@michaelcrouch4248]

You guys work really well together and obviously enjoy what you do 👍

[@sirvilhelmofyonderland]

I just bought an F250 with no plan of towing. I drive a semi for work. The 250 is my dream truck.

[@kelvinlopez4792]

Does not matter bro if that’s what you want to drive them go for it

[@sirvilhelmofyonderland]

Josh Calkins A truck isn’t going to address either of those issues.

[@ruggiemp]

I would like to see a comparison of 3/4 ton or 1 ton SRW with gas and diesel running 80-100% of payload instead of towing. Reason for this test is for truck campers and whether the added cost for diesel is worth it.

[@Toxic9813]

So if the F250 is the dog chain and F150 is the cat leash... my new Ranger is like dental floss?

[@trevorharley4475]

Pretty much. I've got a Tacoma. Love it! It's the best. However life has put me in a situation where I need to tow a horse trailer. With horses in it. Horses are heavy. Bumper pulls suck. Gooseneck is the way to go. I want to settle on a 1/2 ton but I know I need a 3/4 ton. I also don't want a diesel cause I don't tow that often and diesel is a pain. Not quite sure where i was going with this honestly. Small trucks kickass and I love mine! However, they are not good at towing. And I need to tow. So....

[@Traveler_GAL]

Andre a few years back we had an email discussion about the 16 Colorado and it not being able to tow. I ended up replacing it with a 15 1500 Dodge. A few months ago I replaced the Dodge with a 19 F250. (All trucks 4x and gas motors) I ended up curving the rear coils on the dodge with added air bags inside them. Payload issues, the half tons can get buy with the basics only, don’t add the firewood, bbq, extra water jugs or anything else to the bed. Long story short. I didn’t get the bells and whistles in the Ford but my payload is over 3k and towing 12000. It’s everything I need and then some. Enough to put a quad in the bed and tow the travel trailer. Another Great video. You guys always do a awesome job!!! 👍🏻

[@davidbagley1213]

As someone who has owned both (currently driving a 150 with a 3.5 EB), I can say that the 150 is a much better daily driver. However, I loved my 6.7. I got rid of it because I quit towing heavy loads. What I don't think anyone here has commented on is the cost of ownership between both trucks. The 250 holds 15 quarts of oil, two oil filters, tires that are at least $100 more per tire, bearings that are way more expensive to change, and aluminum radiators that are connected to plastic connections. I had 350,000 miles on my 2011 before it was traded for another truck. The first 2 years of ownership I put over 100,000 miles on it. While I loved it to death, it was not cheap to own. My F-150 much cheaper but I am hauling maybe up to 5000 lbs. I miss the mass of the 250. It is just so solid but my wallet doesn't miss it at all. They are both amazing trucks. I am, however, waiting for the 7.3. I may switch back now that there is a good gas engine option.

[@jdjames997]

This maintenance and fuel issue is something people seem to overlook on diesel vs gas trucks. With the higher tow ratings of 1/2 ton trucks in recent years, the only real need for a 3/4 ton or larger is when your regularly crossing that 8k-9k tow rating, otherwise the 1/2 ton is a much better all around driver. The thing I noticed on the new F250’s is how tall they sit stock, even the bed is much taller than most 1/2 ton trucks. If you put material or even “”Costco” size groceries in the bed of an F250 FX4 you almost need a ladder to unload it. For a contractor or someone who regularly uses the bed for lumber, flooring, whatever, many of the 3/4 ton trucks are a pain to unload, period. Besides increased maintenance costs, fuel mileage is a consideration while NOT towing. If you actually drive the truck without a trailer regularly, the gas 1/2 tons usually get better fuel mileage. My GMC Sierra 5.3 gets 23-28 mpg on the highway, and doesn’t bounce all over the road like many diesel 3/4 ton trucks I’ve driven (without a load). I’ve considered buying a 3/4 ton truck to tow my boat which is 7,500 lbs (loaded), because it will tow better and with less effort. But if I managed to get my boat out say 15 times in one season (never, not possible) the diesel 3/4 ton would suck for the rest of the year, and when I’m not towing. If your a contractor and need to tow a skid steer or equipment around or a horse trailer (or a 5th wheel RV), a 3/4 or 1 ton truck is a necessity, but for the other 75% of diesel trucks running around, it’s just a waste of a truck, fuel, oil, and increased maintenance costs (injectors in new trucks are insanely expensive, so once your warranty is up your on the hook, sometimes upward for $1,000 each just for the part..., I’m in the parts business, it’s a fact). Everyone always claims that diesel trucks last so much longer it’s worth it- I call BS, the engine lasts longer (not without major maintenance on fuel systems and others), but what about the rest of the truck, like that 12” “awesome” touchscreen, how much do you think thats going to cost to replace at 101,000 miles? Because you know it will inevitably fail when the warranty runs out! (Murphy’s Law)👎 or wheel bearings, or that killer “10 Speed” transmission that only takes 10 quarts of super duper “synthetic” Gucci fluid? Diesel engines can go 300k plus miles, while the rest of the truck literally starts to fall apart at 125k miles...if you need it, you need it, MOST people don’t, they just want to look cool...

[@ArmyProperty]

@@jdjames997 you’re spot on with all of this. It’s tough though. We do a substantial amount of towing, with everything from an F-150 with 3k 12ft travel trailer up to a Duramax dually with a 48ft gooseneck loaded to 26,000lb combined. The problem with the F-150 is that it’s got tons of power, but it isn’t anywhere as stable as a heavy duty. You get pushed around by a 3,000lb trailer all day every day, even without crosswinds blowing. The limitations are painfully obvious before you get anywhere near 8-10k of trailer weight. Wish it didn’t feel so weak and squirrelly. We don’t usually need the power of an HD diesel, we just need something that’s got that solid and nailed-down / secure feeling. Does that make sense? I guess that’s why God invented the 3/4 ton…..

[@michaeld5591]

Gentleman, Nathan’s right, 1st off, nobody uses the F-150 to it full potential 2nd, my dad F-150 had no problems pulling his 28’ 5th wheel ( legally ) 3rd, the average person can’t afford a $500.00 plus truck payment, slick salesmen convinces the customer other wise, unfortunately I know how to drive, I would prefer a F-150 XL that I can afford a lot easier then a $50,000 truck payment that will stress me out, I can put what I want into the truck, I’m 45 years old, I’ve learned my lesson

[@boloner4608]

It’s “than” not then, 4th line from bottom.

[@michaeld5591]

Bo Loner , that’s it, your answer is a typo, ok, good job, maybe next time

[@robertrichardson9953]

Then someone needs a better job if their broke ass can't afford it. It's the person's own fault

[@APEAcademy]

@@robertrichardson9953 Define a better job. Or Broke ass.

[@kstdww]

Really appreciate the review guys! Very informative!

[@willb3018]

Thanks for this great comparison.....and all your great comparisons. Very useful. You all do good work.

[@RickStalkerG55]

Both are great trucks. I live in a suburban area and use my 1/2 ton as a daily driver and pull a 5500 lb rv trailer. Parking lots seem to be getting smaller like airline seats. Taking all into consideration, 1/2 ton suites my overall need better

[@ShinerBock2007]

These two are the BEST of TFL truck!!!!

[@Allworldsk1]

The best part of the entire video was when he said I'm not comfortable with this. LOL that was absolutely classic. Sometimes the crops get you in trouble.

[@yamahasuperbike2202]

I just bought a F250 XL 6.2 gas. Super easy to clean the interior, plus looks great with my color matched camper! Love it!

[@Privat3Kag3]

An overlooked reason is the running gear. 4l60e vs 4l80e is a massive difference (I know it's an older comparison, but it still holds true). The tie rods & front arms are notably more thick. The full floater is a huge difference. There's more than just payload to look at.

[@atomicorang]

What part of the truck is the full floater? Thanks

[@Privat3Kag3]

@atomicorang The rear axle mounts Directly to the lug nuts, instead of an axle nut in the center of the wheel. It's just a more heavy duty design, hell it's what my freightliner does.

[@Privat3Kag3]

Mounts to the lug nut bolts* on the rotor/ drum

[@Rick-tt6yq]

I have a 2019 F150 (Lariat, 5.0, 3.73, payload package, LT tires) with payload more than 1700lbs and towing capacity of around 10500lbs. It fits my needs very well but those Super Duty’s are pretty amazing. Great video guys!

[@MRkriegs]

This is a really high quality comparison, and some light hearted commentary. Good work guys!

[@feedrate1]

You guys get me in trouble everytime I watch your videos 😅. My wife yells at your not thinking of buy a new truck are you 🤭 so I tell her it's possible 😁 . Love love your videos. Gooo Hummer. 🤣

[@marksill8020]

I'm still waiting to hear about the 7.3 specs.

[@Matts000]

Mark Sill you and me both,

[@David-rx2to]

@Mark Sill Me too...I'm gonna guess 495 HP and 525 Torque.

[@CopCat34]

Can’t wait until the specs come out. It definitely will be a tire burner.

[@marksill8020]

@@David-rx2to is say the torque will be 750+, but I'm wondering about the towing capacity. Also, I'm wondering if they're going to mate it up to the 10 speed transmission.

[@shitloveaduck]

Mark Sill - there is a video out there confirming it is going to use the 10 speed.

[@nathanabsolom2199]

I really love watching your shows... you guys go into so much detail in every way...keep up the great work...F250 for me 😊 I'm in Australia and we have the Ford Ranger Raptor.. 2.0l twin turbo 4cyl diesel...looks awesome.. you guys should get one and tell us what you think...

[@ronsmith7880]

Thanks again Andre n Nathan... Awesome episode..

[@thebeezneez1000]

This video was a lot better than I thought it would be, thank you!

[@markmccurdy1152]

Great comparison, good video. It all depends on what you personally need from the truck. For me its the F-250, for sure!

[@datapro007]

Fun video, thanks. My Supercrew F150 has a 6.5' bed (157" wheelbase). That's a fairer comparison in turning radius to the F250 than the 5.5' bed you compared.

[@94SexyStang]

1/2 ton numbers are Super exaggerated to Push up sales.....just because you Can, doesn't mean you "should". There's SUCH a difference stepping up to a 3/4 ton or 1 ton.

[@hdpptowing5736]

Mike Fu, the compromise was too great when not towing. The HD trucks are bulkier, slower, more cumbersome, longer braking distance and response, wider turning radius. A larger HD truck is a better options if there aren't any drawbacks and compromises of a larger, slower and more cumbersome vehicle. The HDPP was the least compromise on the market and at any price, but I needed a truck for my trailer.

[@flyjetsusa]

Excellent brief review, with some good basic info on the differences. Helped me decide, lol.😎

[@133levi]

Love u guys. When I take my family on trips I rent only The f150 4 door and my family loves it. This will be my next truck. I recently rented a f250 fx4 and I love how high it sits love the bigger bed the truck feels way bigger even though it’s the same cab But it rides rough man. Family (wife) hated it. But it’s pulling me in. Lol.

[@hardeehamlin47]

Yeah I think HD is the way to go if you tow regularly. It’s also a good choice if you’re not very experienced, or maybe a bit nervous or scared about towing near the max capacity of a half ton.

[@biz4twobiz463]

Hmmm, ok, I have to agree with Nathan here. Plus, loved the demo with the leashes!! Bravo!!

[@jluis5188]

I just lifted front and rear my 2014 king ranch expo, bought 35s on new 20s, installed rearview cameras and new 8 in Kenwood touch screen with OEM connect. Tinted the windows even darker, bought HD running boards and installed a monster JBL audio system front to back and bought the truck with 103k miles fully loaded leather 1 owner. All in for less than the average down payment on one of these. WOW. I will stick to used low mile 1 owner purchases. You guys enjoy your day 1 price drop. Like we say in TX, BLESS YOUR HEART!

[@thomashelsel5129]

"It's okay, I have an FX4 package." lol Andre is a funny guy

[@mudbuster50]

I’d say roughly 80 percent of people who buy heavy duty trucks don’t even tow anything. They just like have a diesel truck, and that’s why they cost so dang much. I talk to people frequently and ask them what they tow, most of them nothing at all. What a waste and compromise on daily driving comfort. Half tons are so much more comfy for daily driving and road trips. I’ve had all brands in different configurations over the years.

[@strikeeagle6871]

I have a 2018 Ram 2500 with the 6.7 diesel and it's very comfortable on all but real rough roads without a load. I pull a boat with it in the 4k lb range and some heavy flatbeds occasionally. 2500 towing with a Bulletproof Hitch is the way to go. My daughter has a 2017 Ram 1500 and the gas tranny constantly shifts with towing the boat .

[@Snookchaser007]

No Name try using the tow haul mode this should eliminate the constant shifting I’ve never owned a dodge but it works well on my f-150

[@strikeeagle6871]

@@Snookchaser007 thank you sir I will give it a try 👍. Enjoy your day!

[@pappazac]

Great video. I got a 2019 F150 crew. We love this truck!! For the price of a daily driver and it's the V8 coyote, the gas mileage is better than expected. Tailgate step is the best and a must have!!!

[@bikerdog2b]

pappazac nice setup I love the sound of the 5.go.

[@zachc1297]

I gotta go with Nathan and Andre as my top TFL duo in videos. Tommy is solid, but the pair here is always entertaining and content packed.

[@dlefeb67]

Hey guys. Always enjoy your videos and comparisons. My next truck buy will either be another Eco-Boost F150 or the new F250 7.3 gas. A comparison of the 2 trucks would be excellent. Especially towing the same weight. Acceleration between the two while towing. Mpg isnt important. Its a truck. Both are close in price when similarly loaded.

[@calebniederhofer6529]

This does not make sense though. You are comparing. 1/2 ton truck to a 3/4 ton truck. The 7.3 is more stable, more capacity towing. Completely different trucks.

[@machfive916]

For me the F-150 is going to be my choice, as I never plan to tow more than 6500-7000 pounds. Besides, the Coyotoe 5.0, especially with a C.A.I. and a catback exhaust, sounds amazing.

[@gransport4246]

Get the right tool for the job and don’t cut corners. Good rule of thumb is to not exceed 75% of the rated tow capacity for your particular tow vehicle.

[@albertjohnson9119]

I bought the 2021 F150 extended cab with the 3.5 diesel 4 days ago. My wife has a 2018 Lariat crew cab with the gas V6 and loves it.

[@alexreinhardt6971]

Great comparison but, take away diesel in the f250 and that's 9k off the price which brings the prices much closer together.

[@oakleyfreak45]

And adds like 800 pounds more cargo capacity

[@jeremiahjk84]

@@oakleyfreak45 yeah but it takes away 65 horses and more importantly 505 ft-lbs of torque

[@2dfx]

The 6.2 gas is a bit long in the tooth now is not a terribly efficient engine. The new 7.3 gas for next year should fix that but the question will be what the economy will be...

[@thejuiceisloose8703]

@@2dfx I have a 2011 f250 4x4 with the 6.2. At 75mph I average 14mpg. City and highway about 12. Straight city with a light foot I still hang around 12. I have a heavy foot and get these figures regularly. As for towing I get similar mileage as these two trucks. Its plenty of motor and have towed 12,000 plus on multiple occasions and never felt that I needed the diesel.

[@mikeyv7360]

@@2dfx And will it be as bulletproof as the trusty 6.2

[@jonb2139]

Great video as always! Love to see a half tonne towing and mpg loop comparison (ie like you did 3.5 eco vs 5.0 v8) but with the new chevy trucks 5.3 vs 6.2!

[@BluTrollPro]

I've said this so much about mid-sizes. Outside of the USA mid size trucks, coupled with smaller 4 pot diesels spend their whole lives towing, and are renowned for taking the abuse of towing ~7k lbs, or even up to 10k lbs with 5th wheels in some places, which is enough weight for most people outside of hot shot truckers & mega RVs, particularly if you put the effort into a lightweight EU style trailer.

[@doitalldad3032]

I’ve had plenty of both, my personal preference is to stay with a heavy duty. I am amazed with the f-150s capacities these days, that being said I saw an f-150 pulling a 24ft enclosed weighing maybe 4,000lbs hit ice and that trailer absolutely owned that pickup. Spun 2 full 360s and you could tell the trailer was whipping the pickup around. Luckily everyone was ok but my opinion is a heavy pickup will always haul/tow safer and more efficiently. Love the channel, keep up the good work!

[@paulhunter9613]

Do it all You could have a 20 ton truck on ice and it would still spin easily

[@nlitenurmind]

I have the 3.5EB Goldilocks F150. Hauls and tows: dirt; gravel; lumber; tools; cement mixer; and she doesn't even bat an eyelash while averaging 21 mpg. 😍

[@NukebyCrazy]

My uncles f150 with a 5.4 v8 is all I've ever needed, and I can get the same thing with a new Ranger so I think ima go with that for now

[@mdjak3686]

As a 4x owner of f150, always wondering about the differences, this is gold. Ty.

[@mikeroy9528]

This was extremely helpful. I'm thinking of occasional RV towing of 7000 lbs and this really answered a lot of questions. Thanks.

[@gurkankosemusic]

I also tow a 7,000 lbs trailer. Did you get the 150 or the 250?

[@SuperDuty250]

@@gurkankosemusic 550

[@ihatemytown]

I’ll save you the time of the video. The reason to pick a HD truck over a half ton for towing heavy heavy weight. HD has more weight. Better brakes and it’s longer. That all matters when you’re towing heavy loads. I would never tow more than 10k in a half ton. Any heavier and you’re asking for trouble.

[@James225]

The modern 1/2 ton truck IS yesterdays 3/4 ton truck. Think about that. ;)

[@MarkPdot]

That's what I've been saying. "Half ton" or "3/4 ton" terms are obsolete.

[@jimbarino2]

@@MarkPdot When you have a "half ton" truck with a payload of 2300 lbs, the term needs to be redefined...

[@kensporalsky3784]

New 150 runs laps around 20 year old 7.3 250.

[@royjimenez6789]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION GUYS

[@richmahoney4637]

Great review fun to see trucks compared and cars compared not by class but by price bc that’s how people shop. Also Nathan is hilarious and he loves science so we learned something extra today

[@jlsgarage872]

My 1994 chevy k2500 has the turning radius of a dump truck and its hilarious

[@jwardyn]

Either I missed it or did you guys mention braking. It’s why I choose the 3/4 ton, yes both can pull the load but you’ve got to stop the load. Love to see a braking test while loaded with both.

[@hooddowntime2143]

And the transmission too, people forget that there is more to towing than motor

[@robedmund9948]

After months of debating the pros and the cons of each, I still can't decide. Maybe I'll just get both!!

[@billortloff4215]

I've had both. I currently have F250 gas. I really could have gotten by with F150. Fx4 package is a must. However, really disappointed Fx4 F150 no longer available in V-8. I didn't realize the different axle bearings. My 14' enclosed trailer did have to have the tongue weight properly loaded in the F150. F250 pretty simple, carefree loading. F-250 got approximately 4mpg less empty. Pretty close loaded.

[@dsmitty8991]

Thanks for the great videos!!!! I tow a travel trailer weighing 7200lbs with a 2019 Ram (3.92 rear axle). Overall the trucks hauls the trailer great, but I am upgrading to an anti-sway hitch. Do you guys have any recommendations in regards to the type of hitch? I’ve been looking at the Reese Dual Cam, E2 and the husky centreline...thanks!

[@zach8072]

Love the comparison, now I want to see f150 vs Ranger.

[@CD-su2qh]

I think that at that point, its not what you NEED but instead what you WANT. Loved the video, very informative. I've had 2 F150's over my years and loved them both, just something about the F250 thats got me itching to the point I may have to scratch my itch 🙃 thanks for the video...

[@mlemorande]

Me also

[@timjohnson2592]

Thanx for a fun comparison. Others have mentioned the pricing discrepancy and payload hit F250’s take with Diesel engine. Just migrated from an F150 4.6L, to F250 6.2L. Payload for F150 - 1405 lbs, F250 - 3,500 pounds. Very few half tons can accommodate the payload of trailers that way about 6,000 lbs or more. My data with 750 or so tongue weight, 200 lbs for topper, 300 lbs for driver and passenger. My F150 total payload with nothing in the back seat or bed = 1,250 lbs. Plus we were over on the Rear Axle rating by about 300 lbs per CAT scales. Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating is another calculation that all folks pulling trailers need to consider. For example, as I shared with Andre on an email. My Gross Vehicle Weight on the F250, 2 wheel drive is 10,000 lbs. Max tow is about 12,500 lbs. HOWEVER, the GCVWR is only 19,500. I would have thought you combine the Max Tow and Gross Vehicle Weight for GCVWR?? Truck weighs 6,500 lbs/6,700 lbs with ARE topper. So, if I want to tow 12,500 lbs + my 6,700 lb F250, I only have 300 lbs (=driver & passenger?) left on the GCVWR??? No weight available for the backseat, or bed, such as: BBQ, Generator, tools, etc.??? No one has explained this mystery including Andre, Kent, dealer and Ford.com. Finally - agree with other comments on pricing. My F250 Lariat with limited options had a sticker of about $52K! We ordered it to get a non-black interior and 2 wheel drive. We priced F150’s and we could receive approx $10K plus off sticker, but only $6K off on F250. Plus - anyone addressing the towing benefit of the standard E-rated, 10 ply tires on the F250?

[@nookbandit]

Up until 2 years ago I was strictly a SD guy because of the weight and size of my trailer. Have a '18 F150 now and prefer it, the ride is much much better, easier to park and live with when not towing, easier to work under the hood because the SD is really tall, mpg between the 2 v-8's is about 4 better in 150. I like the look of the SD better but for me the 150 fits my life better

[@PhilDoesItAll]

The 2019 heavy duties do have trailer reverse assist. It’s not the same with a knob but it’s much more extensive than they just talked about there…

[@bodega01]

Thank you for this video. You have not said anything I've haven't heard from many here in YT land. Sorry, not everybody can afford an F-250, RAM/GMC 2500. I would love to have one, but even finding a F-250, RAM/GMC 2500 within an affordable price, you're stilling looking at a vehicle at least 5-7yrs old with 150k-250k miles & still in the 50k+/- range. I would like to see more 1/2 ton towing videos with the equipment needed for towing. My max towing on my 2018 RAM 1500 is 8400lbs. There are plenty of new/used 28' - 30' TT with GVWR at around 7600-8000, which gives me enough cushion. I would love to see that combo. Sorry, that's how I feel. Stay Safe & God Bless!!!

[@ILC-eo6vk]

We pull a 3500lb trailer with a 2014 F350 KR diesel, because my wife wanted something that was an overkill. We made the right choice because we can barely tell there's a trailer behind us and so many other positives.

[@Phos9]

They really missed a trick with that name, they should have called it the “auto auto start stop stopper”.

[@colbywood8113]

I’m still trying to figure out why they made something that plugs in when you can very easily do the same and more when it comes to programming preferences in FORScan

[@theirthereandtheyre2947]

I have a Silverado half ton, a friend gave me a ride in his F-150, they are really nice.

[@jakey20022]

Next you need to ride in a 2019 RAM 1500

[@Davido50]

You know it. #Fordperformance

[@brianphillips7696]

Most of the people who buy these things are wannabes who would be better served buying a minivan but that isn’t macho.

[@qwoozy]

I grew up a Chevy guy, the company I work for buys all brands for their fleet vehicles. Ford started winning me over around 2011 with their new stuff and it seems like they're getting better every year. After literally driving everything from all the manufacturers over several years (half ton all the way up to 550s and even Chevy's Kodiak), I made the switch and bought myself a Ford. Haven't regretted it yet.

[@russcayse3054]

One other factor to consider, transmission. Even though that 1/2 ton is rated to pull 9k it has a much less capable transmission than the 3/4 ton. I have had issue with transmissions in 1/2 ton vehicles pulling heavy trailers, and the newer higher HP engines make it worse. Those lighter transmissions are not built to hold up to a lot of full power shifts on grades. The transmission in the diesel powered truck is made for a much higher power duty cycle, and the new F250 10 speed transmission behind the 7.3L engine is also the much heavier version. Ford is in the lead on this issue as GM still uses a fairly lightweight transmission behind their gas engines in the 3/4 ton truck, and Dodge also doesn't offer their heaviest transmission behind any gasoline engines. One $5,000+ transmission rebuild will make truck buyers pay much more attention to this issue.

[@bgleadbetter]

I have a 26’ travel trailer with a GVW of about 9500lbs. I had a 2017 F150 with a 3.7L eco-boost that had a 13,300lb towing capacity. It towed it on flats fine, but it bogged down on hills. The trailer was also pretty sqirrley. I upgraded to a 2019 F250 6.7L diesel... the 250 doesn’t even know the trailer is back there, except for the gas mileage. I LOVED the 150 but I feel safer in the 250.

[@brianfaus2394]

I pull alot of trailer's and the 3/4 tons just hold the roads better when the wind picks up. F250 all day

[@acdii]

This is the thing most people can't grasp. That extra 2K pounds of mass of the Superduty is so much better for towing a big trailer on a windy day.

[@David-rx2to]

The diesel option on the F250 is almost entirely the cost difference between the two...I think Ford charges about $9K for a diesel. I'm waiting for the F250 Tremor with the 7.3 gas engine.

[@xthexadvantagex]

David no kidding. Sounds nice

[@mikea4074]

But from what I seen only in a crew cab........

[@David-rx2to]

@Mike A...yeah...I would have preferred the super cab with an 8 foot bed.

[@mikea4074]

@@David-rx2to I'd want a super cab short box......big thing would be the front ls........hopefully it will be a option or special order

[@David-rx2to]

@Mike A I'm thinking not for 2020, but maybe bed length options for 2021?

[@jsboening]

I’ve really enjoy the ride of my 1500 ram with air suspension. Much nicer ride than my last 2500 chevys and still goes enough for me. Another great thing is not needing a step ladder to get things out of the bed.

[@megaviper1999]

You guys are great thanks.

[@hdpptowing5736]

The less a larger HD truck is a compromise when not towing, the more a person may want one if they don't really need it. A lot of driver don't see a compromise in such a huge truck versus the faster, better braking and handling 1/2 ton. With the engines the HD offers, along with that clumsy suspension versus the quicker, better handling 1/2 ton, it was too much compromising for me when not towing.

[@colinwatt00]

Did you look at Ram? The 2500 is a perfect blend between the 1500 and 3500. Compared to the Ford where the only difference between the F250 and F350 is the spring pack, the Ram 2500 uses the 5-link suspension found on the 1500 for better drive ability where as the 3500 uses traditional leaf springs (the ride is going to be stiff regardless, so you may as well use the simpler leaf-springs). Furthermore, Ram offers the air-ride suspension on the 2500 for comfort and features like lowering for parked, although this system is known to have problems, so take that for what it’s worth.

[@rapTorfx4]

With the cost/extra stress of repairing air suspension vs your typical leaf spring or strut based system, I'd definitely prefer the older styles.

[@DragonKnightX12]

@@rapTorfx4 The 5-link Coil Springs are still very good.

[@hdpptowing5736]

I looked at the Dodge and my friend has a 2500 Laramie 6.4, but I needed the swiftness of the E.B., and that quickness is its redeeming quality out in traffic when not towing to help compensate for the bulk and girth...I need all the quickness I can get.

[@DragonKnightX12]

HDPP towing _ Motortrend got a 6.1 sec 0-60 on both current Gen F-150 with the 3.5 EB and new Ram 1500 with 5.7 and 3.92 gearing.

[@noleksandr]

Better comparison would be if you use f250 with gas engine. Diesel f250 and gas f150 not fair comparison!

[@jarome4549]

Pretty fair, they're comparing the "Everyday truck", to the "work truck, people that are on a budget wondering wich to buy, for occasional towing that's why they're comparing size and turn radius etc, and what you get for your money.

[@bikerdog2b]

The F250 would then be the cheaper of the two as well

[@patb9375]

which one is scared? or did you mean not fair?

[@misham6547]

It's harder to get a gas F150 though, but I agree that it's not very fair to be honest

[@pdl656s]

Super helpful thanks

[@jah809]

I have the 2018 f-150 5.0 V8 FX4 and I tow my 37' long travel trailer. It pulls it fine around 60-65 mph, but I am ready to upgrade to the F-250 so it will not stain too much for the hills and when the wind is blowing the F-250 offers more control on the hwy, especially when 18 Wheelers are passing.

[@hdpptowing5736]

Fortunately Ford had the HDPP F-150, or I would had to get the equal priced F-250 to tow my 37ft, 8,400lbs dry travel trailer. It's a comfortable towing experience. For me, the HDPP is much more flexible to own and drive than a larger HD truck i use to rent from Enterprise...it's a two-fer.

[@johnmcintosh6027]

I agree. My 2016 with HDPP has 2300 lbs cargo and rated for >12K towing. I dont tow that heavy, but the extra payload allows me to tow my smallish 5th wheel (~1300lbs pin weight) without exceeding GVWR

[@sntstafford]

I'll take an F250 XLT FX4 Crew with the 7.3 gasser/10spd combo with a 3.73 limited rear. That'll do everything I need just fine. Oh, at 7:55, "Chassis & AXELS"?!? Welcome to the Jungle!!!

[@doyouhavegainsonyourphone4507]

That’s exactly what I’ll be buying in a few years once the bugs are worked out of the 10spd and the 7.3l gas. I want a crew cab long bed. Perfect truck for everything.

[@DynoDieselWagon]

I purchased a '19 f350 STX xl poverty package in Oct 2018 .13k miles , 2 recalls later it's now at the stealer for key forward accessory FAIL. MY wipers climate control and horn will refuse to turn on with the key after remote start. I'm disgusted, for 40k dollars It shouldn't even FART until 75000 miles . GMC here I come

[@exparrot9074]

My 2015 5.0 F150 Supercab with the heavy duty payload package is rated at 2072 lbs max payload. I'm surprised that the crewcab Superduty is 20 lbs less. I did max out the payload once when our well pump got clogged up and I had to haul (just under) 250 gallons of water back to the house to flush it out. The truck handled it just fine - controlled, and obviously plenty of power, but there was quite a bit of squat and didn't leave much room for rear bump travel. I'll probably throw a set of airbags on the back at some point, but that's mainly because I've leveled the truck since then with the Fox 2.0 kit.