Does size really matter? Sim Racing screen size tested.

It's possible that this was all an excuse to see what racing on the tiny screen was like.
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[@PaoloVolpato]

Good video, but a more interesting comparison would be a more realistic 27" 32" 40" comparison.

[@zoltronr6]

Went VR 2 years ago and just can't go back to the pancake view. Sitting 'in' the car and looking through the corner, it just get any better. That being said, VR does have its pain points. But I feel it is worth it.

[@richardople]

I hear yeah mate, I went VR and it's been an absolute game changer!

[@Radian1978]

Love VR as well, the immersion is fantastic. For anything longer than 30 minutes or so, it starts to get hot and irritate my face. I use a 55” 4K tv otherwise which is enjoyable too, just lacking that immersion

[@SillyMonkeysLikeApples]

@@Radian1978 sorry to hear that, personally I play around 3 hours, then I started to get dry on my eyes, but before that I get a bit tired already and also my back gets tired too lol

[@bertelsenmedia2nd]

Felt the exact same way. But I get so very sick when in VR especially going to reverse…

[@dirtyjerz32]

Interesting take. Would like to hear the same for an ultrawide vs triples

[@vsm1456]

This test won't work for that. Chris specifically compared these screens in such a way that FOV stays the same. Realistically you will never end up in a situation where an ultrawide and a triple setup have the same FOV. Triples take up upto 180 degrees angle around you. 34" ultrawide that sits between your wheel and your base (40 cm from your eyes, i.e. very, very close) will take like 90 degrees.

[@MarquisDeSang]

It has been proven that VR makes you an even better racer because of the situational awareness, you feel much more the car and you see distances precisesly.

[@AdamsBrew78]

I’ve never felt such an immersive experience until upgrading to a 65” 4K OLED. Took a few days to get used to it, but once I did, I never want to go back to small monitors. Everything in my periphery just melts away and I’m one with the game world. LG C1 gaming is phenomenal.

[@ranzai]

Nice! How far away are your eyes from the 65" OLED?

[@mikehunt1528]

6 inches.@@ranzai

[@elmalloc]

6ft@@ranzai

[@Pabula]

Would you change anything now that you have been using them for some time? I'm still deciding if i move toward triple LG C3 42'', I'm considering 42'' more than 65'' because i come from 16x9 32'' 2560x1600, i feel 42 would be a good size, not sure how i feel about 65'' being close them, but looking for more feedback to help me decide if 42/55/65?

[@AnotherWatchChannel]

There might be a market for a Simagra pill for sim racers with small screens.

[@extramedium3561]

"7 inches is a little bit on the small side.." - Chris Haye 2023

[@YouTubeGetsWorseEveryUpdate]

"... but it totally works!"

[@dannygaron]

@@KZbinGetsWorseEveryUpdate haha... 🤣

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

People simracing on smart phones half that size and rez: Don't you mean it's gaint?"

[@VectorAero]

No context

[@SnoodyMcFlude]

Humblebrag, man knew what he was doing :D

[@wesd3370]

I want to see the 7 inch triple monitor setup now.

[@carlosfandango2419]

100K Subscribers, well done and congratulations.

[@Frankestein01nl]

I loved driving on my projector, had it set up as a 126" white wall, with me sitting in the middle of the room/screen about 2 meters away.. it was only a 1080P, but my guests certainly got sucked into the game by lap 2 usually... only if i opened the door to the left that the people would realise they were in a game. Now with the obutto, i find that the screenstand does make me feel immersed, just not as quickly as the big screen. Nice video!

[@Star_Wars_With_PercyMan]

I use one 50 inch tv just above my legs, I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s comfortable for sure

[@haraldjohansen1867]

Hahaha that tiny 7" screen right in front of your nose looks so silly! I love it.

[@mrj3217]

Triple screens that give you the entire field of view for a real cars actual size. You get that sense of what's around you , you get a better view of your speed and other land marks.for breaking points.

[@spiyder]

my girlfriend says size doesn’t matter 😢

[@nuu3085]

medium feels 'more immersive' because the cockpit/dash is approx where it is IRL

[@flipcoin6301]

Larger display has less eye fatigue. The screen can be placed farther away for easier focus.

[@RichAbe23]

Now VR… that exists on another planet.

[@MattDiffey]

I get the idea, but I feel like the realistic comparison people would make is much less extreme - a range of monitors from 24-43" are all semi practical for a pc rig and in reality you would almost always set them up just behind your wheel deck if at all possible. Controlling for the same FOV kinda kills the argument for different screen sizes but that's a real consideration for most drivers

[@RacingAnt]

If you're running triples (and you should be. Lol.) the aim is to get 180 FOV. With sizes from 27" up, this is easily achievable. 27" requires the centre screen between wheel and wheelbase, so the arguments for 32s are there. Bigger than that - you gain nothing.

[@MattDiffey]

@@RacingAnt that's fair as an end game, but plenty of people have neither the space, the budget not the pc to run triples

[@RacingAnt]

@@MattDiffeyI ran triple 1080p 24s on a desk in a tiny office, driven by an i5 8400 and a 6GB 1060. That wasn't much space, nor computing power. I upgraded to 27s in the same space. If I'd stuck with 1080p screens, then the same computer would have sufficed. But I went with 1440p. GPU needed? A Radeon 5600XT. The only game that wouldn't work was ACC. So, it doesn't need a huge amount of space. Cost is similar to a 40" TV, the FOV is way bigger, and can run on quite modest hardware. So, while I get your point that triples mounted to a dedicated rig needs space, and high-end GPU and monitors push the cost, it doesn't have to be that way. A budget option is available, and the triple 24s beat a 49" ultra-wide for immersion, in a similar space, and for roughly quarter the cost.

[@neblolthecarnerd]

My school has massive Microsoft interactive board/screen things donated by a university. One of my first thoughts when I saw them was "wonder how good that would be on a simrig"

[@benjimc1]

We have one at work. Used it for dirt Rally... Good fun but couldn't get the rig in the right place so not very immersive

[@guitarsimon1]

That teensy screen gave me Micheal from the US Office vibes “Sometimes I stand and watch this thing for hours…”

[@H0urg1ass]

For me, being able to see the mirrors and out of the side of the car is far more important than screen resolution or size. In fact, I'm doing quite well with three 24" 1080p monitors at 144hz refresh rate.

[@RobCabreraCh]

I used a 29" ultrawide for a long time, and I rather enjoyed that monitor. I then upgraded to a curved 34" ultrawide, and I was expecting there to be huge change and to really be able to see. It ended up being basically the same, just slightly bigger. I want to try out a 55" TV now, but I don't have a monitor stand big enough to hold my TV close to my cockpit. In fact, I have been just pushing my cockpit to the edge of my desk and using my normal monitor that way.

[@notdreadyet33]

FWIW stick with the curve. I went from 55" TV to a 48" curve, the 55" up that close feels "off." The sides of the view show areas that shouldn't be ahead of you, but by default with a flat screen, they are. Triple 55"s with some distance between the front screen and the wheel would be incredible, but that's a different deal.

[@NagaRacing]

Congrats for the 100k you made it 🔥

[@vsm1456]

Interesting thing about extra large screens... But other than that I'm worried that people will interpret this video incorrectly*. I don't think anyone chooses a screen like that, "I'm going to use 55 hFOV, what screen size should I choose?". Instead, people usually already know where they will put it, so in this case bigger means wider field of view - and that's almost always better: you will either see more to the sides, or you'll be able to set FOV closer, or equal, to a mathematically correct one without it being too narrow. And it's not all that easy to get a screen that would be "too big" at mathematically correct FOV. For example, my 34" ultrawide sits right behind my wheelbase and I definitely want something bigger. Moving it closer to my eyes is uncomfortable as it puts too much stress on my vision. So a screen that's big enough and sits at a comfortable distance will be 45", preferably more, and that's already a TV territory, only a few PC monitors are this size. --- * - Yup, they did. The second most upvoted comment asks to compare ultrawide vs. triples. Which won't work for this test.

[@marcp5099]

2 important letters missing from this great video... VR

[@timayres2405]

Cool idea. That 7" was like 2D VR.

[@IMSimplyPakistani]

the topic I was searching for the past couple of days

[@ekstrajohn]

Latency matters most.

[@anonony9081]

Position is huge too. I'd rather take a small crummy screen that I can fit in my rig so the field of view is right then a big screen that's too far away and doesn't make me feel immersed

[@richardople]

Triple 7 inches! LOL

[@GavinNaylor]

Love this comparison, maybe I need to switch to a 7" monitor so I can get a DD wheelbase

[@lex0n]

Know where i could buy a 7" to give myself migraines from playing for 15 minutes?

[@ChrisHaye]

Haha - someone's gotta! ;)

[@wwjnz9263]

Does screen size matter? Depends of FOV and screen realestate.

[@JerrySpallone]

Triple 7” w/bezel delete!!!! Lets gooooooo

[@jasmijnariel]

I bought me a 55" qned tv 2months ago. Cant wait to have a new pc that can run SIMs

[@levrone0075]

What about latency and response times on the projector?

[@SilverHolland]

Would it not make sense to have a curved screen with a projector used this up close? Has this been tried by anyone, for any application? The output would need to be adjust to the way the screen actually sits, relative to the placement of the eyes. I think if some one wanted to, it could be done. That said, if a monitor brand wanted to, they could make a single wraparound screen as well. It could even come in a small box, now that phone screens can be folded up. Just reducing the screen to a bucket size roll and then velcro it to an adjustable curve support would be quite something.

[@luukvanoijen7082]

To be honest, I don't think using a small screen is that bad because my VR headset certainly doesn't have a big display :p

[@freekshow]

Weve gone mental, I see. Nice

[@adrianchannelle8651]

I personally think a large screen kills the immersion for me. The narrower screens give you the sense of looking through a windshield.

[@hughxthexhand]

I had a ultra wide and hated the letter box feel and am now using a 65" LG OLED, same over all width but without the letter box.

[@mbgmadbull1141]

I run a 27 inch monitor and run at about 60 fov on iRacing usually. but I also run on an oculus quest 2 VR headset and that's 110 degrees of fov, I say run what feels comfortable more than anything.

[@SurfyStories]

I found out how important vertical height is after buying a samsung ultrawide monitor. They got width but the height sucks.

[@arccrenshaw8391]

With triples the screen size makes more of a difference since the side screens provide higher FOV... triple 24" screens > 75"+ screen... seriously 3 of those camera monitors set up properly would be better than the single projector. Projectors are pretty immersive in a dark room.

[@SuperAcaoGeek]

Alongside FOV also adjust your seat position.

[@virtualmotorsportsstudio]

Great Vid. Subscribed 👍

[@MoanTheCelts]

Good/interesting experiment.

[@elmalloc]

Damn you need new projector! My projector looks like an OLED in the dark.

[@HB92647]

Is there any reason not to go larger than 32? I’m looking at a couple of turnkey options and the more expensive ones have 40 to 50 inch monitors but I always thought 32 was the sweet spot. In a money no object scenario what is the best screen size? Thanks.

[@christopherpope1800]

Try 7" triple screens, all round imersion! .. need to find someone to 3d print a head mount, and Bob's your uncle.

[@BKDDY]

You'd get faster lap times with CRT monitors.

[@22Uzbekistan]

Is audio somewhat off on this one? Voice seems quiet.

[@randombritteens]

This is a W, keep it up

[@GregzVR]

Get VR - Job done. SorryNotSorry 😝

[@positive.perception]

Tom at Gridfinder lied! He said you'd ditched the hat!

[@tristanheron4144]

When you use a large screen, the size of the dashboard becomes bigger than it is in real life, which does break the immersion.

[@marcowong1436]

Changing fov can fix that i believe

[@Kevin-iq1xc]

Not true. This is (not exclusively) why we have adjustable fov. Proportions stay the same but you just see more of the cockpit.

[@tristanheron4144]

Having the correct FOV does not fix the problem. Adjusting the virtual seat position can help, but it often does not allow for enough adjustment with a big screen.

[@AdamsOlympia]

What brand/model are those (bezeless?) panels at 4:28 ? They look great ... Looking to upgrade to triples from my single 65" 4k oled.

[@bratosin1]

The best size for sim racing is 27 inch , perfect size at perfect distance right on top of the base

[@thebuckeyegamer7443]

I am currently playing on a 1440p 32 inch monitor. I used to have a 4K monitor but I went with the slight downgrade in graphics in exchange for nearly triple the frame rate. 1440p 165hz is far better than 4K 60hz by a landslide

[@janarns-videography8409]

Did you find the pixel density ok with 1440p and the 32 inch? (probably mostly depends on the distance to the screen) Or was it a big downgrade visually coming from the 4K? *thanks :)

[@diegonando22]

Nice comparison, I suggest you speak louder or edit volumen, cheers

[@jamesbolho]

I have used an online fov calculator recommended by many but i just can't drive properly when i input the values on AC or ACC. Seems too weird, can't see around me and the car steers way too fast. Any suggestions?

[@Nokia17Rocks]

What about a Triple screen borderless 7"?

[@QuentinStephens]

The projected image looked washed-out, which cannot have helped.

[@Ale-bj7nd]

She said size matters as well

[@SillyMonkeysLikeApples]

I know it has nothing to do with the video topic but I gonna drop two letters here and go away: VR

[@youngyingyang]

Did you actually setup the "correct" FOV for size and distance on each display?

[@vsm1456]

I guess yes. He said that FOV was the same as on his main 32" display.

[@stevensimpson]

Has anyone ever tried a non stereoscopic head mounted display? Think of it as the 7inch attached to your head but motion tracked?

[@SillyMonkeysLikeApples]

that sounds like a great idea, wonder why nobody has invented that already

[@magicgamester]

Great comparison. I have a situation that i just cant see the correct side on. So I have an i7 9700k, rtx 2060 super 8gb, 16gb ram. Currently on an old dell 23". I want to upgrade basically what im seeing as I feel the monitor is letting me down on what I could be seeing. I will be on a tight budget of £200, so I am swayed to go for a 43" 4ktv. Ive read alot about my gpu and 4k 60hz and sounds like its doable. But would i actually benefit much in terms of the fov? Fps isnt my priority, happy for 60, I want a more clear, vivid picture on a budget. Do you have any suggestions please?

[@elmalloc]

I dont

[@bsmracing6592]

use vr and boil the eye balls make an omelette

[@yrtracingteam106]

49”wide screen and tripples make the differents imo. Especially with all the newcomer’s 😶

[@naterod]

I use a 55 inch set right in front of my wheelbase it seems to work great for me. My FOV is mathematically correct.

[@Chris_2709]

@@naterodwhat is your fov @acc? Thx

[@naterod]

@@Chris_2709 I believe it was 59 but I now use the PSVR2 for my monitor and in that I have it set to 90 on the largest monitor setting.

[@TwoThreeFour]

No VR?

[@bsmracing6592]

it’s not pace but racecraft that improves, didn’t test that?

[@marcp5099]

i mean if you are going to put a tiny screen close top you eyes... why not strap it on and use all the tech these companies develop ?

[@MajorWolf72]

Single Screen is just wrong, no matter the size 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@turbod15]

Dell 34 100hz

[@anthonybardet5464]

34 ultrawide or samsung odyssey g9 49 inch?

[@jgagnier]

I have a Lenovo 34 and thought I would give triple 32s a try. They were a PITA to setup, and while it was more immersive, it wasn’t the quantum leap i had expected. If i ever get enough money to have a dedicated rig with a dedicated computer, i might try again, but I thought I’d switch to a Samsung 49 instead. Well, yes, the 49 is better than the 34. But it’s not 4x the price better. 34 might be the best price to performance ratio.

[@luckyowl4771]

W video

[@jonboy2950]

Ja

[@melcrose]

Wha? You didn't test screen size.. you tested... pixel size. Different sized monitors AT THE SAME DISTANCE is a size test. "duh"

[@rinkumultani6515]

screen size dont matter in fact it get worse when using bigger screens cos u have u turn your head more now compare to small screen to look around 32 to 40 inc is sweet spot for me tho but jumping in to vr from screen its totally realistic thing and make humongous difference now i never go back to screen

[@vsm1456]

Well, you don't have to turn your head, use peripheral vision.

[@rinkumultani6515]

@@vsm1456 what the point in having big tv if tv is far away to be able to see whole screen but like i said my sweet spot is 32 to 40 inch. above that i have to sit far away from it

[@vsm1456]

@@rinkumultani6515 Well, the point is that it's not necessary to sit far away from a big screen. You sit far away from it because, I guess, you want the whole screen fit in, like, the central spot of your vision where the vision is the most clear. But it's not the only way to use a screen. You can put a big screen behind your wheelbase and let the screen extend to the sides of your vision, to peripheral vision. You will not be looking to the sides all the time. When driving, most of the time we look right in front of us and then only look to the far sides when it's needed: for example, to be able to see the exit of a tight corner or an opponent's car near you.

[@rinkumultani6515]

@@vsm1456 u not getting my point thats for trying tho. i rather go vr then using 50 inch or bigger screen

[@Flowermouth]

7 inches a little on the small side 🥲

[@Mystipaoniz]

I'm using two tiny screens barely a centimeter from my eyeballs and i love it so! Some people call it VR. ^^ Before that i used a 27 inch screen, just behind my wheel. It was ok. A good distance from me, a decent size screen. I don't think bigger than that would have been better. Not to mention that bigger screen means i need bigger computing power for the increased resolution.

[@church493]

Except many don't set correct FOV, and then size & distance of monitor together default and/or whatever fov settings user might have changed "by hunch" may have chance to get closer or further from right one, often totally distorting user's evaluation of certain display devices they change their past setups to.

[@jamiedh3036]

whooop, whooop...is da sound of FOV Police!

[@elbowsout6301]

You need triple 7 inch displays and mount them to your head so if you lean forward and back your FOV won't change 😁. That would be the ultimate tiny screen setup. Lol enjoyed this video.

[@freekshow]

Soooo... VR?

[@elbowsout6301]

@@freekshow similar but not quite.

[@SillyMonkeysLikeApples]

@@elbowsout6301 with VR the head will get furter form the car and stuff, if u have fixed screens no matter if you look to the sides or get closer to your wheel you will see the same, you could drive while facing down to the floor

[@elbowsout6301]

@@SillyMonkeysLikeApples that's true. Although technically you could add TrackIR for that effect. I was joking about the triple 7 inch displays but it would be fun to see it.

[@fourutubez7294]

I'm getting hard of hearing and couldn't tell what you were saying half the time. I think it's a combination of two things; 1. Your voice seems like it's had all the top end eq'd away which makes it hard to pick out from the background ( there is a lot of info in the voice at much higher frequencies than many people realise ) 2. Your voice is mixed into the BGM making it harder again to pick out the words ( Try an EQ dip in the BGM around 1 khz and a presence boost at about 4khz on your voice plus less reverb and/or more predelay on the reverb again)

[@luislozano4251]

THIS🙏🙏

[@gogearmods]

Aside from the vr stereoscopic view in vr we are pretty much doing what he’s doing with the 7inch monitor. 2 screens inches or millimeters from your eyeballs. Still vr is the most immersive and accurate experience IMO.

[@ianjameslake]

Ideal is 27" triples at arms length. i.e. 50-60cm. 60 degree side screens, giving 180 degree viewing angle, 60 per screen.

[@attorneyssimgarage1482]

Yes, size matters, especially the older you get. :)

[@kitkatCSR]

This was interesting as am in the process of thinking of changing my 27" monitor to a 32" curved. This is the biggest I can go as am restricted to space (rig is under a staircase) looks like it may not be worth the cost now!! Still not sure about VR yet incase I have motion sickness 🤔

[@anonony9081]

Curved is nice since it will give you a little bit of peripheral perspective but I don't think a jump of 5 inches is going to be noticeable at all after a day or two of using it and getting used to it. Even better for you would be to try and get two more cheap 27-in monitors so you can do a triple setup. And if it's worth anything I get decent motion sickness in a lot of VR games but car games typically don't give me any because the movement is only left and right there's very little up and down or rotation. Space simulators get me super nauseous but I've never had that issue in any of the car driving games

[@LupusAries]

Yeah, went from a 24 inch 16:9 FHD to a 34 inch 21:9 UWQHD (3440×1440) curved screen and that difference was really noticeable. But that was 10 inches, triple the contrast and 30 extra dpi difference. On top of going from flat to curved. Now running three of those would be proper bonkers. So if you want to go single screen go for 34 inches or more. I have noticed slightly more peripheral vision, but also in combat flight sims better spotting, as I have more screen real estate to search through. So I use the Headtracking for the big head movements, and scan the rest with the eyes, which gives me a more stable image to search through. In racing 21:9 vs 16:9 is the difference between a practically useable mathematically coreect FOV and one that is not. Well the better monitor stand also helps with precious additional degrees. On the other hand the new OLED screens are being released in that format, currently I would wait for a year or two to see what teething issues they develop and then hit it.

[@aeiouxs]

VR (Oculus Rift S) is incredibly immersive, I can barely go BACK to monitors - highly recommend you borrow one at least!

[@vsm1456]

@kitkatCSR, why not? I assume you aren't going to move it further away from you and use your old FOV, like what this video tests, right? If you put it on the same stand, you'll have a 18% bigger screen. Sit in your rig and try to imagine how more to the side you'll be able to see.

[@freekshow]

Theres a video showing FoV (set up right) differences between triple 27, 32, UW 49. 27 and 32 are the same..

[@alec7568]

I have a 55 inch screen sitting literally just a few inches behind my wheel rim. I haven't seen anyone else set up one big single screen the way I have mine, the guys in my discord think it's bizarre but I swear it's really good. Besides it's the best I cam get right now 😅

[@satinderdhindsa835]

I do the exact same. Works great in f1. I use VR for iracing though

[@naterod]

That’s exactly what I use. Next level racing GT omega and their single screen monitor stand. I’m on console and it seems to work for me. Besides it’s all I got as I just move everything together when I race and move it apart when I’m not.

[@orblivious1]

man, it looks so funny with that screen at your face. Good video though, nice comparison.

[@kenbarthSimAV8tor]

My 65 inch Samsung certainly helps my almost cataract surgery eyes eh!

[@RishiKaneria]

Chris, out of curiosity, what are the specs of your main 32” monitor? Cheers! Great content!

[@cheukyinho1204]

That 7 inch screen is like VR but u cant move ur head