Doom - E4M2: Perfect Hatred (Nightmare! 100% Secrets + Items)

[@russellbelew2604]

The misery of this map is most felt when not pistol starting. Trying an Episode 4 single segment on Nightmare was sooooo hard because of the map before this one crippling the beginning of this map. Oof. Memories.

[@GeminionRay]

Even on UV it was already hard af for me since I don't play with pistol start at all. I got lucky I cleared E4M1 with like 50% health and still had to retry E4M2 a few times before clearing it. I don't think I'll ever replay it nor trying to do the whole episode in one segment.

[@brutalblam3909]

My first time trying this map on ultra violence, I died in, maybe 6 seconds? And proceeded to attempt it again maybe 7 times before beating it. Gotta be one of my favorites of the official stuff.

[@Dr.looksmaxxer]

This is a rare case where pistol starting is less difficult

[@hobbified]

@@Dr.looksmaxxer why exactly?

[@peterhawes9680]

You could try (might be very tricky) standing in front of the exit on E4M1 to get pushed into the exit and killed by a monster, so that you pistol start E4M2 with 100 per cent health.

[@uptown710]

The BFG shot while jumping… Decino you never fail to impress sir.

[@odstagent1070]

Doom 2016/Eternal style

[@AlexeiVoronin]

(many years from now) John Romero: "It only took me 6 hours to design E4M2!" Romero's granddaughter: "Sure, grandpa, let's get you to bed."

[@tacticaljunk1608]

Many?

[@not_using_this_retarded_handle]

Haha

[@HazmanFTW]

You can really see how the level design changed from E3 to E4 after Doom 2 was made

[@JeffreyPiatt]

E4 uses some of the Doom II engine features like keyed switches the early releases of Doom didn't support keys locking anything but doors.

[@HazmanFTW]

@@JeffreyPiatt I didn't realise that. I assumed it was all Doom 1 engine content. That said, I've never not played the Ultimate Doom edition

[@JeffreyPiatt]

@@HazmanFTW UDoom uses a doom. exe v1. 9 that came out after Doom II just recompiled to recognize the new UDoom iwad and be able to display the 4th episode. Unfortunately when it sees a Doom 1 type wad it prevents you from placing doom 2 weapons and Actors so Episode 4 is basically a prequel to Hell on Earth with you storming the Demons first base on earth in revenge for Daisy Your bunny. The fact that keyed switches were added to the Doom 1 side for the episode kind of shows its running on the same engine version. Fun Fact Shareware E1 is still the easiest way to play E1M1 as it was originally designed. Before Ultimate Doom there was no secret switch in the armor room that let you open up the secret outside section with the super armor. They added the switch and the line Def to open the map up for deathmatch play.

[@jonathanbolind7532]

@@HazmanFTW It is in fact all Doom 1 engine content. There's no monsters or items from Doom II in E4. However, E4 came after Doom II, so the level designers were much more experienced making Doom maps. I believe it's the same for Sigil I and II, except those came out much later and I think all maps in Sigil I and II were specifically made by John Romero.

[@1thevm1]

That death by shotgunner was crazy, you were only exposed for like 10 frames and they still sniped you midfall perfectly.

[@bluebay0]

Tight spread + vertical auto aim made this cinematic masterpiece possible.

[@proosee]

@@bluebay0 no, just a marine with excellent shooting skills 😅

[@bluebay0]

@@proosee Credit also to the army of Fast Cacos and Imps that chipped away at Decino's health 😂

[@WaterCrane]

I'm getting Major König vibes from Enemy at the Gates!

[@dmitry9594]

Yay, Perfect Hatred, my favourite map in the entire Doom 1! As a child, I called it "Evening Adventure", probably because it's kinda dark compared to other Episode 4 missions. And I am additionally happy that decino visited all areas of the map, thanks to the chainsaw!

[@curvy_hair_bandit5057]

Limbo, lust, all gone. With gluttony soon to follow. Your kind knows nothing but hunger. Purge all life of the upper layers and yet remain unsatiated. As to you. You've take everything from me machine. And all that remain is PERFECT. HATRED.

[@TheKalZul]

The humility of the man who admits he was wrong about E4M2. I applaud you. A beautiful run!

[@Mr.Doggo83]

This map makes you feel: PERFECT HATRED.

[@aldiboronti]

I still remember buying Ultimate Doom when it was released. I'd loved the first 3 levels of the original Doom and considered myself a pretty decent player. Then I embarked on level 4 and I couldn't believe the difficulty spike. It seriously took down my trousers and spanked me hard. To watch you sailing through E4M2 on Nightmare is a revelation. Wow!

[@iguana9173]

That BFG shot while jumping was really epic.

[@Vytaan]

Well played! I love the unnecessary chainsaw rule, in maps like these it spices up the gameplay a lot.

[@Spectans1]

Im almost jealous seeing you going through this level so smoothly. This level stopped me for a looooong time on Nightmare!

[@DuckReconMajor]

3:07 beautiful sequence. Glad the map had some surprises for you, it may not be the hardest but it's a great spectacle seeing someone play it like this

[@MaxT-SFX]

Without the pressure of the starting cacos, not having to kill all the barons, and having a lot of shotguns from respawning enemies makes this map easier, however as you said lol, the difficulty just shifts elsewhere. Nice work, I love seeing a new method to defeat this perfect hatred!

[@makhauser42]

Technically, chainsaws on NW are mostly for the ones in the secret areas, but is good you still follow the passion, nicely executed indeed P.S. 169% of the kills. Just another tribute to BMD

[@not_creative_with_username3834]

What an incredible run! You even went for the chainsaw even if you were technically already at 22/22 items, what a mad lad. It really shows that you're enjoying yourself a lot in this play through

[@KingInferno93]

The baron was present in that area around 1:20 once you go through the lava staircase up to the beginning area, there's a line def that allows them to pass into that hallway (probably the same one that opens once you get back to the main area. Great video!

[@samuelmay5670]

This level has so much platforming, I wouldn't be suprised if ID software sued Nintendo when they released Super Mario 64 a couple of years later.

[@Z3nt4]

Tell you what, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo sued ID software when they released Super Mario 64.

[@EnemyAce88]

I never knew where the secret level in Ep4 was. Learn something new from you every day my good man.

[@Roy-hn4ek]

Pressing the switch from below, and BFG shot on the caco while jumping into the cavern... nice strats, im really impressed... Ngl, i honestly expected more deaths on this map, but seeing how well you did it shows how great of a player you are. Well done, sir.

[@reptongeek]

It's interesting that for UV Max and UV Fast the two tricks did make the map more easier, but then as a challenge speedrunners sometimes did it the slower way without the tricks I didn't know about the softlock, I've never encountered it personally

[@ProfessorAragorn]

An absolute banger of a map. I love the verticality. It is a challenging start but honestly, the second you get a plasma rife and can prep for the Baron trap that comes with it this map becomes easy and it's loaded with cells for the onslaught ahead. It also has a nice linear concept (go left to go right to go up) but there are so many cool tricks and skips with this map that if you're a veteran, you realize this map is for you. It's not nearly dickish like Plutonia or Sigil become, and it's not a Hand or teleport puzzle so it is such a refreshing map.

[@BigMacDavis]

Doing this without the BFG Grab would be a challenge only for lunatics. Hell, even I do it in my simple Ultra-Violence runs. Good job.

[@DrAce46]

Oh my goodness, that was insane! Brilliant run Decino

[@LeMnISc4tA]

3:14 - I like the two blind jumps combined with the BFG shot. I guess that next maps will be a cakewalk until E4M6. Love this entire episode and the irregular difficulty curve.

[@Olek54321]

Everyone was waiting for this one and you made it looks so easy :D Legendary map, no matter what

[@francescoperi7810]

Next level Doom IQ. I usually lock in with Decino's way of handling things, but this time I was constantly jolted out of my comfort zone. Brilliant vid

[@prish98]

Great job, my favorite Ultimate Doom map. :D

[@PersephoneStars]

Thy Flesh Consumed is a great set of maps. The first 2 are my favorites. The only thing I can think I have an issue is that I had to be an adult to play them. But look at you Decino. Blazing through the episode like it's nothing. Good run dude.

[@SuperMarioStar10]

Excellent job! It's super impressive to beat this map on Nightmare but I'm even more impressed that you battled through the Chainsaw area too. This map is brutal but one of my favorites.

[@Neolisk]

decino: 7:21 also need the armor. Then: 7:25 don't need the armor. I already knew what was coming. On a serious note, that prefire at 4:05 was really good. I had to rewind a couple of times to watch it again.

[@gregoryheidt2746]

Very technical run, you love to see it! Nightmare runs sorta become speedruns by necessity, and I love seeing the strategies (and sometimes glitches) used to pick apart levels in any game, and especially Doom. And yeah, I know this isn't a full speedrun because you need to get all the items and *fart noise* "tools", but you can't really dawdle unless you're corralling monsters and other such strategies. Very nice!

[@spqninjapl]

Was waiting for this one. Great Job. Awesome episode.

[@rod9766]

I like how the nightmare series videos always come online around my coffee break

[@lukebehrendsbro.]

That was an awesome job on your skills with your timings on jumping places to places. Yes getting Chainsaw is all the more challenge but I'm glad you beated this map in Nightmare Mode. Next one might entertain me as that map is really good. Nicely job! 👍

[@demogorgonzola]

169% kills - BigMacDavis will be pleased with this tally :)

[@carlphilippgaebler5704]

1:00 or thereabouts... what's the "softlock" if you go up the stairs too fast?

[@decino]

You can skip the linedef that opens the big wall. If the door closes behind you you'll be stuck/die.

[@DoomBunnyKiller00]

I'm replaying this for the first time in a long time and i forgot that the wall opened up at around 1:45. I was wondering why i was missing 100% items. Thanks for this vid. Also Nightmare! difficulty is just insane! Props man!

[@jrock718]

This is the one I've been waiting for. Good run, pumpkin man

[@QueenDaenerysTargaryen]

Superb 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏

[@NcWcN1]

Hats off. Clever way to clear this hellhole.

[@SuperhyperC]

I remember the first time I played E4M2. Had >20 Hp and nothing but 2 pistol bullets to my name. I pulled through after a number of attempts, but damn, it was a rough experience. Ever since then I've always had a bit of a grudge against this level, so seeing you fly through here on nightmare no less, definitely felt cathartic. Good show decino, good show indeed.

[@sandmanxo]

Now I'm beginning to remember the difficulty of Episode 4. I don't think I've played it in 15+ years at this point. Amazing to see someone mop this level up in nightmare considering how many times I died in UV on it.

[@budavargas]

Uuuuuhhh boy, I was waiting for this torture sesion, although starting with 100% is helpful

[@davidhubbard8353]

Right? I would rather pistol start this level rather than carrying my shit over on 20%. E4M6 is one I'll never touch again. If we're talking about official Doom levels, No Rest for the Living's Vivisection is absolutely agony - that, Inferno of Blood and Baron's Banquet. I would rather chop my dick off rather than those levels on Nightmare again.

[@ryandevil2355]

Yeah that was clean. E4M6 genuinely looking forward to that

[@meatman2203]

I don’t know why but this is probably my favorite map in the episode. A fun, quick, and challenging map with some good secrets.

[@JangianTV]

Superb run! Didn't know you could cheekily grab the BFG like that, and strafe jump to the blue key area.

[@CsubAzUrmedve]

I find it ironic and hilarious that this map, the hardest map on Ultimate Doom, is actually easier when you pistol start. Usually when I get here, I'm beat up to heck, and low on ammo. I also find it kinda liberating to pistol start every map, because I often stick to one weapon all the time, but when you lose them anyway, you become more trigger happy.

[@CosmicStargoat]

Another great run.

[@johnmendon18]

Also watching that softlock happen in real time was very fun

[@nbanextlegend7497]

Flawed love

[@nathanbeets8229]

It's 4:00, honey! Time for your daily chainsaw grabbing! Decino: Yes, dear. :'(

[@johnmendon18]

Watching you practice while Peter and I be your peanut gallery was very fun.

[@mina86]

dacino: ‘Mouse look is cheating’ Also dacino: ‘Let’s grab items through walls and push buttons from below.’

[@decino]

Don't look at me, DSDA makes up the rules.

[@DarioToledo]

7:45 that smile on his face makes me get hot flashes.

[@georgeheilman885]

Never knew you could grab the BFG through the wall without needing to telefrag the Cyberdemon first. That would certainly make this map easier.

[@GamerJayvee]

This man has no chill. He beat all missions super fast.

[@fabiii007]

The method to do this level is astonishing !

[@Rathori]

"I don't need the armor. I'll survive without the armor" - famous last words :D

[@lhfirex]

"Not tough until you go for the chainsaw" for decino is "makes me rage and take dozens of attempts" for me.

[@darkcitadel5324]

Bien jugado ! Excelente video.

[@DoutorSocialGames]

"Perfect Hatred" on a valentine's day. Poetry.

[@technoman9000]

I'm playing this map now on UV and man it's brutal, it's so stingy on ammo and so claustrophobic. It's in E4 that you really start to appreciate the super shotgun.

[@rainbowcoloredsoapdispenser]

"I just want to collect the items in peace" I don't know why, but that made me laugh.

[@boomershooterlegend]

Great job!

[@Trancelistic]

Hey, alles good gooz. Leuk dat je nog dingen upload.

[@T-West]

0:53 What's the softlock that can happen here?

[@decino]

You can skip the linedef that lowers the big wall. You can trap yourself in the room if the door closes behind you.

[@ThePhantomPhanto]

This is the ONLY map in my UV+PS+FM playthrough where I needed to save the game(yet once). But, seriously, how in HECK one is supposed to figure out those cross-jumps and secrets on a blind run??? And Romero designed it in SIX HOURS!! He's a frickin' twisted evil genius! No wonder a mind like his and Carmack's conceived a timeless masterpiece like Doom!

[@megasphere308]

Yeah that's precisely what I was thinking... "damn, he's gonna visit the cave to grab the chainsaw" 🤣

[@rankoinazuma6788]

Perfect Hatred, fit name for it in nightmare, now let's see if Fear gets hectic too

[@mrawesome9002]

I didn't even know there was a chainsaw in this map and I've been playing doom for about a decade lmao

[@XzMondayNightzX]

Everybody gangsta until they gotta pick up a chainsaw.

[@floverdevel]

3:09 wow took the BFG trough the wall 😲

[@stylesrj]

That last outtake... I think a Shotgunner just "pewed" you :P

[@RetroGamingWithEdgarRivera]

E4M2 this map is challenging of course but not as crazy difficult like E4M1 in my opinion if you know what you're doing and you prioritize certain enemies especially those cacodemos and Barons as to find a secret exit is pretty easy the only hard part is to get there because it has a timer so you have to do it quicker. Overall pretty fun level if you know the strategy and prioritize certain enemies that's all.

[@oil_moon]

This map still humbles me even on UV... jolly good show

[@IntelligentDiscussion]

Very Nice.

[@eduardodiaz9942]

Daikatana's tag line should have been reserved for this map

[@Skuttie]

that last shotgunner snipe tho

[@UnderdarkTrans]

Just finished this map and good lord I did not expect the Cacos to swarm in as fast as they did (also beat the par by 3 minutes which was fun!)

[@Vijin321]

"Prepare to make this jump..." *dies*

[@noctis_fella]

Not sure if this is a Valentines Day gift from decino to us, lol

[@DarkstarArchangel]

Can you believe that John Romero actually made the 2 HARDEST maps in episode 4 (this one and Against Thee Wickedly) and the others were made by different people?

[@Ben_of_Langley]

OK I never knew you could get the bfg that way admittedly I didn't know about the secret exit untill many year's later always liked this level though originally it gave me hassle when I was still new to doom. Cheers for the upload decino

[@stephenmanuel9860]

NICE!

[@opp31337]

this is a good lookin WAD, the designers did a good job with it. hope they get recognition and find jobs in the industry.

[@mikehonda7934]

This is all fine and good, but as a guy who has played this game in 93 when you had to quit Windows, and through DOS type CD C:/doom followed by doom to run Doom, a valid run would be to do a no glitch run, with all kills being kill the demons that you would originally encounter at least once. Otherwise, you could just kill one weak demon consistently and evade everything else. But.... Like the Nightmare quote says, "not even remotely fair" means, all is valid.... So, Salute to a good run!

[@Avice.]

ACT II : IMPERFECT HATRED

[@Hell-met261]

very nice

[@OperatorIHC]

This was like watching a Zero Master run in slo-mo.

[@antihebrew]

Come teleport away Come teleport away Come teleport away with me

[@tomsmithred]

Perfect breakfast viewing here in NZ 🤘❤️

[@СергейМисюк-ж1к]

More E4, cool! Actually, I either never knew or completely forgot that you can grab BFG through the wall.

[@FuscaBat]

Decino, can you explain the softlock you mentioned at 0:54?

[@decino]

You can skip the linedef that lowers the big wall. You can trap yourself in the room if the door closes behind you.

[@Lackooo84]

Finally!

[@chezzington918]

BigMacDavis be proud

[@Traysandor]

169% kills. Nice.

[@Rathori]

My favourite map on UV, and a run-ender on Nightmare, although I've been playing continuous rather than pistol starting.

[@DEdens1525]

Making it look easy as always. I died so many times on this map.