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@Saterienne 5 ай бұрын

I love that thresholding raidwides idea so much. Costing mitigations for having bad damage, meaning you'll eventually run dry or have less for upcoming stuff, is such a good idea. The game needs to start punishing shitty DPS players for not being able to do their jobs. Shitty tanks die or get kicked, shitty healers get people killed and get kicked, shitty DPS just have to turn off party chat and then wait to join a party able to carry them.

@CaroKannffxiv 5 ай бұрын

Should definitely be a threshold like Blue Screen though. It shouldn't scale with HP %.

@24hr-Gaming 5 ай бұрын

But with the way the game and players are, 100% they'll just shove that responsibility on the supports. Have to over mit because the dps are shitters and you don't have resources later? I have never seen any party ever be like "Maybe us dps should be less shit". You're lucky if dps even have their party mit or even self-mit on their hotbar. For example p10s, the third sword mechanic, lot of dps just eat it and get mad at the healers even though the healers are on the other half of the arena and can't do much about the stack or the dot. The third tower mechanic or limit cut in p12s? Same thing.

@Ravemaster620 5 ай бұрын

@@CaroKannffxivcan you explain this? I haven't done/seen TOP

@CaroKannffxiv 5 ай бұрын

@@Ravemaster620 TOP has a phase where if the boss doesnt go below 20%, it instantly kills you. The damage is very simply calculated. If its below 20%, youll take a fixed amount of damage, and if you are above, you die. I simply dont like the idea of threshold raidwides doing more or less damage based on HP%, thats why I would always suggest Blue Screen type raidwides.

@Ravemaster620 5 ай бұрын

@@CaroKannffxiv Ah, thank you. I wish that more raid wides would work like this tbh

@jovian02 5 ай бұрын

I'll never forget my first pull in Phantom Train in PF. We wiped at 42% enrage. Was wild.

@merisaxchi 5 ай бұрын

I actually did this while I was teaching people p8s one night. I had been with static for three or four hours already, I was tired, and the people I was teaching were learning Snake 1... so I went in on dancer and did no damage. About ten minutes in, a summoner started walling it because the DANCER WASN'T DANCING. That summoner rage quit the group because no one cared. Rest in piece, mad summoner. You can even do this in DSR. My group had a ninja who knew all of Thordan and just emoted while the rest of us learned the mechanics. He didn't start on his rotation until at least four people had figured out meteors. He didn't dps in Nidhogg until the group understood towers. 10/10 great dps though.

@undercoverspy123 5 ай бұрын

Yeah just do your rotation you goofball. You dont have to be that serious but just do it... specially if you know how to do it already thats silly...

@marslara 5 ай бұрын

@@undercoverspy123 I don't know, as someone who also helps groups prog a lot, there comes a point where you realize you don't need to waste energy trying so hard when people are no where near getting the kill. Especially depending on the individual fight or repetition. If you're already comfortable in the fight and don't need to practice how your rotation will feel in the fight it basically doesn't matter until you get to a point where a clear is possible. Same for players having a lot of trouble concentrating on a mechanic. It doesn't hurt to pause and learn the mechanic with your full attention. If you still need to get used to your rotation in a fight, then yeah I would say definitely integrate your rotation properly but I think people think too much about it. It's really not that big of a deal, do what works for you to prog the best without also holding everyone else back and I see no problems 🤷🏾‍♀️

@inuasha1991 4 ай бұрын

The minion phase during Savage Mother Crystal is still one of my favorite parts of a fight as a dps. Yes the Tanks and healers are essential as well (Taking them away from active crystal and healers sustaining tanks from hard hitting adds) but the dps needed to burst down the crystals before the charge gauge got higher. It's still one of my favorite fights and always enjoyed helping others play clear it (Even though I have all the weapon glams which I really enjoyed).

@formlessoedon3614 4 ай бұрын

Cleared savages and ultimates being tanks and healers from 5.0 to 6.1 including ultimate omega. Cleared savages being DPS from 6.2 to 6.4. It is much more difficult for me to play as DPS. Way busier than healers. A little bit busier than tanks. Playing as healers, let's say, is enjoyable for me.

@naota909 5 ай бұрын

Father Arthars, preach it

@twilight1386 5 ай бұрын

me learning phase as brd for prog : i shouldnt push button and focus on how to do it right also me as brd : *the only button i push is burst shot anyway

@andohbernard8846 5 ай бұрын

Back in Creator Savage i took something i learned from the military into my raid group. "Dry run" is practicing the mission without ammo/shooting, focusing on the execution. So i had my raid team literally not do rotation and just walk around doing mechanics and attacking when needed and to hold aggro. I brought it back for light rampant. It worked surprisingly well

@khdayskh1314 5 ай бұрын

Doing your rotation during a mechanic IS a part of proper execution. Learning mechs first alone might work for some people, but since ive seen most people still suck at doing intensive mechs during 2min, even after learning the mech in isolation, that's enough for me to believe that practicing without the rotation it might as well be practicing to play a completely different game, and then play a different game at the same time once you add in the rotation. Imo just unnecessarily compartmentalizes and complicates the process for most. "Dry runs" could have utility in preserving mental stamina for trio type heavy stuff like light rampant or DSR thordan 1 tho

@lucalopez9604 5 ай бұрын

I think it really depends on many factors if this helps. Like for BLM a lot of the prog is focused on movement, so not doing any casts while progging a mechanic... means you gotta prog it twice. For some people who struggle more with mechanics than with their rotations it is a great tool, but maybe not a tool that would work for eveyrone.

@ruily276 4 ай бұрын

@@khdayskh1314 I've only started raiding endgame content during Endwalker so I can only talk about Pandemonium. The first 2 minute window during P12S certainly was something I needed to get the hang off just because no other fight from p1-p12 had so much movement during a burst phase as far as I can remember.

@jin6186 10 күн бұрын

@@lucalopez9604 you gotta be a huge griefer to prog on blm, that's a job for reclears, unless you're clearing the fight at week 20 million.

@awworrell 4 ай бұрын

when I was running the first savage raid tier of endwalker, my party did this in most of the fights especially during pinax. It was the primary way we learned the fight before bringing in rotations.

@kai_wang9700 5 ай бұрын

9:23 this is so true, the amount of week 1 p10s HH to clear cant even do bonds 3 properly

@TallZeratul 5 ай бұрын

bruh people STILL can't do bonds 3

@ruily276 4 ай бұрын

@@TallZeratul I bet if you put up a P3S party right now people would still not be able to manage spread first during firestorms. So many people are incapable of doing spread into stacks.

@UrickSan92 5 ай бұрын

Usually we see damage downs as failing a mechanic. What if we don't hit a threshold, and we all get a damage down or vulnerable up for an aoe? Even a twice come ruin can work

@EJ48 5 ай бұрын

I like the thresholding raidwides idea. though I also liked how mechs like the relativities in e12s would do more damage to the living people if other players were dead

@DeadEye935 5 ай бұрын

I don't mind too much being able to just not hit buttons and learn a mechanic. I do think there should be more mini dps checks in raids, like the meteors in thordan extreme. Also zeromus extreme only phase transitions when you get it below 25%, more stuff like that might work

@ISesseriI 5 ай бұрын

I wonder how FFXIV would be if there was only one or two battle rez per healer in a raid or something. I suppose people wouldn't like it because I see a ton of people complaining about body checks constantly, and it basically leads to the same outcome of an inevitable wipe when someone dies.

@KayMacheen 5 ай бұрын

putting shield samba on my resume c:

@KenVen13 4 ай бұрын

I never count myself as seeing a mechanic if I get there dead. Just cuz i saw the castbar of that mechanic and saw the other people do it, I still had no hands on experience with it.

@xierotron 5 ай бұрын

Oh god HH, im vengence and reprisal pre first hit then Bloodwhetting then 6 secs in shake then 8 secs in Holmgang

@evdomos 4 ай бұрын

I don't hate the idea but I think this would lead to much faster burnout. I'm not sure what the benefit of too many would actually be in the long run, especially if it was tight enough to need pots for early prog. Maybe if there's only one in the middle of the fight?

@NotTheWheel 5 ай бұрын

I feel so vindicated having a good player say something nice about us healers. 💙

@CyanPhoenix_ 5 ай бұрын

is 0 healer top cheese? yeah. do squenix need to fix it? i don't think so. when the cheese is so much harder to execute than the normal way then it's not really a problem imo.

@miklymick5 5 ай бұрын

in before that how netherland prog or have 2nd group that does that lol, it is dumb that fights will progress the way it does.

@hammsuke3981 5 ай бұрын

Lol even in TOP now, miss feint not really an issue for good healers, but dog healers, miss feint in something like p3 towers, is an issue

@olololo4807 5 ай бұрын

they should put more stuff like harrowing hell in the game so feint actually matters.

@zerotakahashi822 5 ай бұрын

I just really like being Bard. Do I really need to play other jobs or stay what I really like to be? TIA.

@formlessoedon3614 4 ай бұрын

I'd say if you want to go to raid and want to be a good member, it is very very helpful to learn and know how every job works. Or you may encounter problems like "why my teammates don't move as I like".

@willowwisp2420 5 ай бұрын

Excellent idea to make dps players feel important

@Kalatentia 5 ай бұрын

Do people not afk during prog? I love progging a new fight, it allows me to afk and eat food 🔥

@zealous404 5 ай бұрын

B A S E D

@Fritzzin 5 ай бұрын

This is one of the reasons I've been enjoying unreal. Feels like everyone has a job. You gotta dps adds down, meteors, there's heal checks with a lot of AOEs and big hit tankbusters.

@joaoteixeira8349 5 ай бұрын

isn't HH phys damage? wth is magic barrier going to do?

@marslara 5 ай бұрын

It buffs all healing actions

@Greed540 5 ай бұрын

I havent healed ultimates but for savage and below i play healer when i want to turn my brain off and only press one button for the whole fight.

@NotExplicable 5 ай бұрын

I stopped P9s for awhile because DPS couldn't get meteors consistently, then work got busy into the holidays and savage fell off priorities. - Healer main.

@hecate3608 3 ай бұрын

It's just factually wrong overall Try and clear a savage with 4 healers and 4 tanks, that's it, you won't, you need DPS as much as you need the rest. Now of course the DPS check is WAY too easy to reach and it's only about how many times the DPS will die or not, rather than how good they are, and the death of a healer or a tank is a lot more punishing than the death of a DPS, but the goal remains to get the Boss's HP to 0, and it's not something a group of healers and tank can do. And sorry but, tank players, you just play a tanky melee DPS, that's it, remove positionals, add a few mitigation, and you have a tank. Pressing one extra button when a tank buster is coming doesn't make tank harder to play or more busy than any DPS

@jgrathwohl1 5 ай бұрын

Game doesn't teach people how to raid until they are trying to queue for Savages. Its dog shit.

@soldierorsomething 5 ай бұрын

But limit cut is like the hardest mechanic in the whole game :D

@exka7727 5 ай бұрын

Your redmages have verraise binded, thats crazy.

@ShadowXoitc 5 ай бұрын

Lol Verraise isn't shit vs healers and tanks pressing multiple button so the party doesn't wipe. DPS can turn off their brain and still do their job I play every DPS role Melee, Range, Caster and turned my brain off on all three before commenting shut up lol.

@exka7727 5 ай бұрын

@@ShadowXoitc What I meant was, red mages in my party don't ever verraise because they are greeding verstone. Idk why you bring up what roles you play, you clearly turned your brain off before reading my comment as well. You shut the fuck up.

@exka7727 5 ай бұрын

@@ShadowXoitc You clearly turned your brain off before comenting, you're replying to the wrong comment buddy, the one you want is further down.

@ShadowXoitc 5 ай бұрын

@@exka7727lol nah your the only one that is talking about red mage verraised lol saying that's crazy about having it in the first place is honestly a waste of time to give that to y'all dps players since y'all die 24/7

@exka7727 5 ай бұрын

@@ShadowXoitcDid i say I don't bind verraise or did i say your redmages have verraise binded? Redmages in my party would rather see the healers hardcast their third raise in a row rather than losing a verstone. That's what I meant, it's sarcasm you buffoon.