Dr. Debra Soh Debunks Claims of a Gender Spectrum

[@joseperales2381]

I was a male trapped in a females body. Then the doctor recommended a c-section and my mother gave birth to me.

[@agostinho6550]

underrated

[@Nevila-v7n]

Hahahahahaha!!! Brilliant!!!

[@anarky3585]

You had me in the first half ngl.

[@tiqvahone]

That's a old one. But still good.

[@matty6878]

ha ha laugh

[@thehawknelsonfreak]

People confuse "Gender" with personality. There are INFINITE personalities, everyone has a different personality and that is what makes life so beautiful. But what happens is people try to associate their personality and put an official gender name to it, when there is no need to. The fact is, your gender is what you biologically are. Your personality can be whatever you want

[@davidgodoyhenderson1823]

People confuse gender with sex lol

[@edd8390]

Lmao this smooth brain thinks gender and sex are the same

[@janessalane5898]

Everything is social Construct.

[@gimygaming8655]

Although you can have a biological disconnection with your BODY nothing with personality which makes you transgender but people be identifying as non binary because of their PERSONALITY

[@cosmosreality222]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

[@heb725]

I'm a feminine looking woman, but growing up I've always felt more masculine. I lacked interest in feminine things and got along better with boys. Today this means I'm a different gender when in reality there are different ways of being female and I fully embrace my femininity as well as my ruggedness. As an adult now, I let reason and rationality lead the way, not emotion. I've never felt more free than to come to full grip of reality. Sadly and ironically, people today lead their lives with emotion which leads to more emptiness and depression.

[@jameswhite3415]

@Heb725 When experts say sex is on a spectrum they generally don't mean there are a million sexes. They mean you can be born with varying traits. For instance, you can be born with a female brain and a male reproductive system, and male body. Your brain is always going to know your female but will be more okay with these changes if you start at a young age because these traits than match female more than if you wait to adulthood.

[@crisbowman]

@@jameswhite3415 That's fine as an adult. Until we figure out how to completely rebuild a person as the opposite gender and back again we can't do that to minors though.

[@heb725]

@@jameswhite3415 Sorry James but what you are saying is not scientific. Sex is not on a spectrum. They are distinct categories. Their non-physical traits may exist on a spectrum, like interests, mannerisms, agreeability etc. For example we can have masculine women or feminine men. However, sex is a biological reality. In the example you gave (a male with a so-called female brain), the body will always "know" it is male. Your argument is actually self-defeating--to say there is a spectrum of sexes, while also saying their traits belong to male and female categories.

[@heb725]

@@crisbowman Self-hatred will always have internal turmoil.

[@heb725]

@@jameswhite3415 Plus it doesn't make sense if the problem is biochemical in nature (which I can agree in some cases of gender dysphoria), to choose physically altering the body as a solution to a biochemical problem.

[@godforreal7355]

"Gender" doesn't mean "Your unique expression of being a human being" Some people get 'gender identity' confused with 'personal identity'

[@punkgrl325]

@Despize Perform Gender is how you’re perceived by society; it has nothing to do with ones’ identity. Anything after that is subjective feelings about ones’ identity as a whole. That’s why it’s usually so strongly associated with superficial stereotypes related to gender to start with.

[@godforreal7355]

@Despize Perform its "subject" to what you present to the people around you and what they decide to label you... doesn't make it objectively true. Anyone can throw on a wig and smear on some makeup. Some people will think you're just some lady, depending on how convincing you are. Others will think you're a man in a dress, and likely to sexually assault someone. What isn't subjective about that?

[@godforreal7355]

@Despize Perform no, that's personal identity. No one feels like a girl or feels like a boy. Society has a roll for you to fill. A place for you to go depending on many characteristics including your personal identity, and what gender you're boxed into. Take a sociology class. Maybe try an anthropology course as well. If you're having gender identity issues, it is completely based on how you want other people to treat you. And just because you want to be treated like a pretty pretty girl or a big tough guy, it doesn't make you actually one or the other. That's a fantasy.

[@godforreal7355]

@Despize Perform imagine you slid out of a womb onto a desolate desert island. Would it be possible to feel like you had a gender identity issue? Without anyone around you to convince? You're confusing yourself. I'm not calling gender personal identity. They are distinctly different, which is a bummer for people who want being transgendered to make them interesting. The entire argument is just double think. "Just because I'm a boy, it doesn't mean I have to like the color blue and guns, but if I'm a girl and I like the color blue and guns, I must actually be a boy. I feel it deep down!" These ideas don't come from the individual, they're arbitrarily assigned by your society at large and if you adapt the right and wrong attributes, all of a sudden you got yourself a personal identity that's 'gender fluid'. My thesis is, be who you are. Like what you like. If your genitals are stressing you out, or the fact that you are the sex you were born, that's a terrible mental affliction and you would probably benefit from therapy. Wishing you were a different gender doesn't make it so. SAS and hormone therapy can't magically make you a different gender.

[@godforreal7355]

@Despize Perform Gender identity is a social construct that you either buy into, or don't. And if you don't, you never have to mutilate yourself to feel more like another gender because you'd be trying to please others rather than yourself.

[@nealmehta1407]

I can’t believe what a big deal this complete non issue has become

[@63mckenzie]

Global Marxists use every opportunity to destroy society.

[@Redsauce101]

@@63mckenzie Where are these Marxists?

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

@@Redsauce101 Antifa/BLM/ActBlue/Communists/Radical Liberals/Green Party/Socialist-Democrats/SJW's/ powerbases in Portland, San Fransisco, Seattle, Los Angeles, New York, and Austin.

[@63mckenzie]

@@Redsauce101 I suggest you read Marx and then look at what is happening in society.

[@Redsauce101]

@@63mckenzie I suggest you read Marx and stop listening to Peterson.

[@HeelHook96]

Can anyone actually explain what it is to "feel" like a man or a woman? I've been a man for 24 years but I have no idea how it feels, I only know how it feels to be me. Does "feeling" like the opposite gender mean you just enjoy things that they stereotypically like? Why can you not just be a feminine man or a more masculine girl? Genuinely interested in any answers to this, regardless of whether you believe you can change gender or not.

[@RealBradMiller]

Nicely put. I hope someone comes along. I could tell you how I see it but I am just a young gay man.

[@marble25]

sexually liking your own gender more than the opposite. probably

[@itsuboat2011]

I agree. IMO I think that people just feel what they know they want/are attracted to based off of “social constructs”. If F likes F, historically a “man/male” is traditionally attracted to F so they think they a Male bcuz they’re attracted to F. I may be crazy.

[@bukkakekills5163]

My bestfriend is Straight, and a born a male. He went thru a phase where he thought was Non Binary for a moment. He explained it as he didnt feel like his interests and behaviour fell into the male category (beer,sports,fishing fighting etc) nor did he fall into the female category (fashion,dramas,makeup gossiping etc). After discussing this with him I realized that people may claim a seperate gender just because what they end up being interested in is not what society has raised them into thinking their interests are as a male or female. When in reality you can be a woman who likes all those stereotype things or a male who likes the opposite. Im not sure if this helps you but this is how my friend explained to me how it felt.

[@RealBradMiller]

@@marble25 I know how I feel about my life. We are talking about people who feel as if they are the opposite gender. They could be a man that feels they are a woman but wants to be with other women, or they want to be with men. I think OP is trying to see their perspective.

[@faustomadebr]

I identify myself as Michael Jackson and my pronouns are He-Hee.

[@MrAlexarctica]

wow i’ve definitely never read that comment before 😒

[@limkey69]

He-hee love it.

[@lokichuurro]

Nice 😂😂

[@mistahss9612]

That’s hilarious 😂

[@faustomadebr]

@@MrAlexarctica Not new indeed, but good jokes should be spread.

[@caden8986]

I like that she can acknowledge that having masculine or effeminate qualities doesn't automatically make you the opposite gender. A huge problem with modern day gender ideology is that it makes young people confused about themselves.

[@gurururuwarararara8164]

Yeah bro. Me myself there are many feminine aspects I find appealing, especially hair care.... However, I'm a born and bred man, and will continue to be.

[@ravenwhiteduck6460]

It is absolutely predatory out their, they have their own gender binary they wanna push on people, at least the cry bullies

[@shizuwolf]

How?

[@ernestfry6034]

YES. I Agree.!

[@emem2863]

​@@shizuwolfWhen I hear many young people speak about gender, they have very rigid ideas of what it means to be male or female. Their views actually reflect the 1950s. They also don't seem to be aware that being gender bending was pretty common in the 1990s through the 2010s. To them, a feminine man or a masculine woman is automatically trans, which is baffling to me, as someone born in the early 1980s.

[@MrAsianAxolotl]

There's just a thing called a personality. Everybody has one and it makes you the person you are. Not your gender.

[@ryadh456]

Agreed.

[@arsonhakobyan]

But there's actually more to it than that.

[@jamelbunny5732]

@@arsonhakobyan explain

[@emvees2841]

@@arsonhakobyan explain

[@emvees2841]

@@arsonhakobyan some people are masculine some people are more feminine some people are both and some people are neither why do you have to label yourself just because does not fit the gender norm the end of the day your are still guy or girl

[@nerotyagi]

Can we just appreciate how she didn't get offended by Rogan's question about how she feels masculine, and went on to explain it peacefully like a normal person? People like this are rare

[@THEMEISTER004]

On the internet,where everyone acts extremist

[@nerotyagi]

@@THEMEISTER004 hOw DaRe YoU sAy ThAt SiR lmaooo

[@THEMEISTER004]

@@nerotyagi [obligatory defensive response that proves your point]

[@nerotyagi]

@@THEMEISTER004 *walks in a strut, identifying myself as a social warrior

[@FaalDovahKriid]

It is also rare that a scientist disagrees with the research on transgender people. If you want to know what the consensus is on the topic (Psychologically, Biologically, Medically), here is a body of works that are meta analysed and validated: Trans people are valid: www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender www.apa.org/about/policy/resolution-gender-identity.pdf www.apa.org/about/policy/orientation-diversity www.apa.org/about/policy/booklet.pdf assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/ www.apsa.org/content/2012-position-statement-attempts-change-sexual-orientation-gender-identity-or-gender time.com/5596845/world-health-organization-transgender-identity/ www.unfe.org/about/ www.babcp.com/files/About/Press/Memorandum-of-Understanding-on-Conversion-Therapy-in-the-UK.pdf Sex is more complicated than binary: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543333556856815617/589195017952690177/Beyond_XX_and_XY_scientific_american.png www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/opinion/sex-biology-binary.html?ref=oembed journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2470289718803639 Gender transition is ultimately positive: whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/ pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/4/696 onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-03/tes-sdc030615.php www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223813/ www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC%20v7/Standards%20of%20Care_V7%20Full%20Book_English.pdf

[@oliverholmes-gunning5372]

"I don't understand why we can't just have a fact-based conversation" The modern world in a nutshell

[@Microtherion]

Yup. Actually, I think she's correct that 'non-binary' is the truly erroneous notion in all of this. Male versus female is a chromosomal and binary condition. (The partial exception being intersex conditions - which are not transgender). However, if people choose to distinguish between 'gender' and 'biological sex', that's their perspective - no biggie. But 'non-binary' sex/gender does not really occur in any form of life, and certainly not in mammals. Certain types of fish can genuinely change biological sex, but they become one or the other. To claim a non-binary status is therefore to claim that your condition sets you apart more from other people than it does from fish or reptiles - which simply sounds like what we call 'alienation', not a medical issue. (Excuse wordy reply - the science is all a bit scientific. Lol).

[@oliverholmes-gunning5372]

@@Microtherion nicely put! I agree completely

[@LEXICON-DEVIL]

Because facts are decided by those in power which makes us have to trust in the information since we can't verify it ourselves.

[@oliverholmes-gunning5372]

@@LEXICON-DEVIL only if you listen to conventional news sources. There are still ways of getting at the truth. I'm sure they'll all be made illegal soon, however

[@adamcollins8907]

It's because everyone is a Karen and no one wants to admit it.

[@yakuzzi35]

I'm pretty leftist or whatever tf it's called but when she said "I think we can advocate for equal rights for trans and intersex people without having to reconceptualise what sex and gender are" that describes it perfectly to me.

[@numberpirate]

Yay another leftist who allies with reality.

[@siddbastard]

exactly. gender theory is the absolute peak of "the country where i live is the most tolerant place on earth and i have absolutely zero struggle"

[@artdre1881]

but can we? I don`t think so. Gender dysphoria is a serious mental issue which defiantly puts limitations on an individual who has it. So we can talk about compassion and respect towards these people but equal rights are just not achievable.

[@traciewalker8506]

This whole ridiculous gender "rights" is just a stepping stone so AI have rights. It's to protect the AI.

[@malibudolphin3109]

If I had a dollar for every gender I'd have 2 dollars

[@airgunballistics1779]

The real issue is us having to explain such simple things to educated adults..

[@herewego1067]

Shut up Meg

[@levibrown5783]

Your right

[@ThomasThough]

Not so educated

[@airgunballistics1779]

@@ThomasThough They are given a formal "education"..

[@slimc3769]

Education doesn't equal intelligence.

[@JoakimKanon]

I identify as a millionaire, but I can’t afford the operation yet.

[@offical_SolDERAN]

Same... same....

[@yoshilee7101]

Me too. Lmk if u find a doctor.

[@getchasome6230]

Just join the army then go AWOL afterwards. Works for sex changes apparently

[@yellowgoose5043]

I identify as a dumbass (that's it, there's no joke)

[@themunchieman6767]

You are the operation. 🤣

[@jopo7996]

Gender Spectrum is a great band name.

[@moodlampActual]

Only 2 band members

[@Audacity_69]

Scrotal prolapse

[@natskis]

Are you kidding? "The Gender Galaxies" would be awesome

[@Dennis-de2ot]

Kevin Crabtree a duo😂

[@ninjanutzforfun1105]

Lmao it is the drummer should have blue hair and every band member will commit suicide

[@ChrisTopheRaz]

People need to stop being afraid of activists and cancel culture. We need to start fighting back. I’m with her, I did my psych degree, studied gender studies and minored in family studies. This culture is nothing more than creating it’s own science and being aggressive about it. That’s like musicians creating a wildly different interpretation of music and then attacking the general population of the profession for not liking it.

[@jester886]

Twitter doesn’t help either when banning people of saying true facts.

[@bigl6218]

Political correctness gone out the window, free speech is gone thanks to all the pixies

[@josephwillis1581]

You worded that kind of oddly.

[@CarryinTheWifu]

The internet is starting to decline into censorship.

[@getchasome6230]

Get woke, go broke.

[@helium-379]

Twitter is a shitshow battlefield anyways.

[@MrSimpoge]

There are only two Nidoran.

[@Blargleflakes]

I dunno man...I think u can count aggron and kanghaskan as other gender nidoran. 🤣

[@aje2321]

@@Blargleflakes no

[@christophervalle893]

Most underrated comment on this thread

[@leatheryfoot6354]

You win the comment section today sir.

[@jarrettmurano5979]

I see you're a man of culture as well

[@dimo4499]

She's a tomboy... its not a new thing, old term. Girls who are girls but like to do "traditional" boy things.

[@C_R_O_M________]

In my experience these girls are the most sexual as well due to elevated testosterone levels. Their libidos are perfectly heterosexual.

[@ironcladnomad5639]

It's funny how progressive society tramples people who "perpetuate stereotypes", but have no problem telling tomboys they're supposed to be boys because they like doing "boy things".

[@Jellyyfishyy]

I grew up being a tomboy in the 90’s/early 2000’s (still am now) and I’d be terrified if I grew up now being a tomboy because I wouldn’t want some wacko telling me and my mom I should be a boy because I liked Pokémon, sports, and video games and hated pink and makeup.

[@C_R_O_M________]

Velvet Ghost I was extreme even as a boy. I would have easily gotten an ADHD diagnosis today and there’s nothing wrong with me. P.S. Damn, I got to go brush my teeth. All that animal blood I was drinking for breakfast starts to discolor them. ;)

[@C_R_O_M________]

Garett Crook yeah, seen them too. In fact I got a couple caged in my private zoo. They don’t like each other. No possibility for breeding them further...

[@Quantumanticz]

I was told I was gay all through Highschool. I knew I wasn’t but I was extremely tall for my age, was very skinny and extremely awkward. I grew up in the military and my father, who was what liberals would define as the embodiment of toxic masculinity, was the extremely abusive. Throughout highschool I avoided anyone or anything that reminded me of him (people who liked sports, shooting, cars, outdoors anything) and eventually I found video games which made the time pass by relatively quickly. Years later I’m married with two kids and after years of being married I eventually became comfortable with stereotypical masculine activities. However, I could easily see how if someone in my situation had been comfortable going to therapy, which I wasn’t, they could have been easily manipulated into thinking they were either homosexual or a woman.

[@Esabelle]

I'm happy you share about this because it highlights the stereotyping many use when calling someone gay. If someone isn't a "stereotypical" man or woman, many assume he or she is gay, lesbian or transexual. Many online try to say that tomboys or thinner, gentler male characters in popular media are homosexual because of these atypical qualities. The only makeup I wear is lipstick and I used to dress down a lot when I was younger; I wonder if people automatically assumed I was a lesbian because of that.

[@j.yumuraj2880]

This touches on an important point: a lot of “trans” and “queer” discourse actually is based on stereotypical understanding of what it means to be a man or woman. One of many problems with the logic behind trans ideology.

[@RealMTBAddict]

One thing I learned in construction is supposed tough guys are super concerned about what other men eat, drink, breathe, if they are single or not. A lot of fake tough guys out there. Worry about yourself, not what I do.

[@godforreal7355]

@@j.yumuraj2880 maybe I haven't looked around and explored the topic enough, but I always thought the same thing: "gender-progressive" people have to buy into the very regressive stereotypes that they claim are so harmful. You can't be trans if you don't agree with the bullshit gender roles you're transitioning between. I didn't get why I was the only person that seemed to see this.

[@lewisner]

When she said "I'm into fighting and martial arts" you could see the little hearts coming out of Joes eyes.

[@emr1d341]

It was closer to: "That doesn't mean anything. Women's MMA is an entire category." 5:20 - Unnecessary interjection of affirmation in the middle of answer - Expression contradicts affirmation - Jaw clench

[@ReadDaGospel]

I like how the boys let her win

[@quickhands6347]

If you think that's the only thing that makes you a male then she has no idea.

[@lewisner]

@@quickhands6347 Who were you replying to ?

[@quickhands6347]

@@lewisner I was replying to your comment but locking in on the fact that she thinks just because shes into Martial arts shes masculine.

[@celark]

Feel I need to put this out because it's probably rare information: many years ago I was going through really bad psychological issues and an interesting thing started happening - I started being more comfortable with "femininity" over masculinity. Masculinity seemed alien to me despite being a man and I felt more comfortable with the idea of the feminine. After doing the inner work and going for therapy multiple times it became obvious that for me (can only speak for myself), due to father issues and years of experiences with violent boys at school and growing up around many women - it became a coping mechanism. My mind had been conditioned to see masculinity as dangerous from a young age (unintentionally) and unsurprisingly I even experienced dissociation from my body for years. Not claiming I am a scientist, but I couldn't help but wonder that if didn't do the inner work to recover for years would I have had a different perspective on this? Would I have projected it onto society? Now masculinity is normal to me, and I feel pretty balanced in both "energies" but I'm still a man.

[@Utubebieber96]

Thank you for sharing your personal experience, that’s very brave of you! The more people like you talk about stuff like this I feel like the more people can be understanding and accepting of others.

[@wihenao]

Thanks for sharing. That's interesting to hear. I'm glad it's all working out for you in the end.

[@g.d.2059]

Yeah, that's quite true. As humans, we tend to absorb and mentally align with others because of survival. Religion is a great example.

[@ian1352]

Another alternative is for people to just accept that they prefer feminine things. That doesn't change someone's sex. I have friends that are very feminine. But never have they ever entertained the idea that maybe they're not really male. They like what they like. Transgender activists though would try to convince them that they're really a woman trapped in a man's body, and their refusal to acknowledge this is because society is oppressing them.

[@stu7900]

Bros knit scarves for other bros, bro.

[@HellHoundSabu]

"I have an opinion, its factually wrong. If you disagree with me I'll ruin your life" How has if come to this. Why are people allowed to to this?

[@McAwesomeDelux]

A trained resistance to cognitive dissonance. Typically, it's uncomfortable to hold opposing opinions together in the same headspace. For whatever reason (which I am sure there are many), people just roll with it instead of being so bothered by it that they actually stop and figure out what the problem is with the feeling of discomfort. Then they blame reality instead of recognizing the problem with themselves. It's probably more complicated than this, but it's a theory I've been kicking around for awhile now. I think it is systemic and no one group is better or worse than others regarding this kind of behavior. But I do feel that it plays a major part in our current paradigm of misinformation. Might help explain the abundance of medicated individuals, no doubt headmeds play a role in the lack of action concerning cognitive dissonance. I dunno, maybe I am way off but it feels somewhat accurate. ETA: the permissiveness of it probably happens because no one has any kind of drive to understand the issue. They just want the dopamine hit of acceptance regardless of merit.

[@Alulim-Eridu]

Yeah... It's not like language can change! Right? - "Bad" means; bad... it can not be used to mean; "Good"/"Cool" Words mean one thing, &we never change the way they're used!

[@AntonDoesMusic]

Because, unfortunately, the ones who are on their side are the ones who cannot see past the veil of virtue behind which they hide.

[@WinstonSmith1997]

I guess they would rather use bully tactics then have a debate. Ben Shapiro offered AOC $10,000 to debate him She said no. Then accused him of catcalling.

[@sadem1045]

Exactly. Why are you allowed to insist there are only 2 genders when you're factually wrong?

[@Lardzor]

Gender has moved from tangible measurable metrics of biology, to intangible metrics of personal feelings and opinions. It has transitioned from objective fact to subjective opinion. When your gender is whatever you want it to be, it stops serving an objective purpose.

[@RainbowReaper1]

That is not entirely true, atleast for FTM and MTF transgender people, because many studies have shown that the brain structure of transgender individuals more closely resembles thier gender identity, and in many cases to a T. Yes a Trans Man will still go through women’s puberty. Non-Binary, I will admit, hard to find evidence for or against.

[@normanicole4714]

Purpose? Things have only the purpose we give them.

[@Mrjulianifyable]

Because gender relates to social constructs, while sex (being male or female) relates to biology

[@josecarlosxyz]

it didnt. it didnt move at all. these people are just bored nothing have anything better to do

[@patcisz3474]

@@normanicole4714 what is a woman?

[@FrostBlackbird]

I identify as Joe Rogan and my pronoun is DMT.

[@sgt1terrence]

😆😆

[@JS-jn8ku]

😁🥂

[@ozen3348]

Hunting

[@legendofzelda9671]

Mine are jiu/jitsu

[@JS-jn8ku]

@@legendofzelda9671RANDOM.... I don't know why, but this reminded of a professor fired a few months ago, for asking a student to Anglicize his name....naturally, the student said no....he was from Vietnam....his name was Phuk Bui....true story. I walked around for a week calling my husband by this name..😁

[@LeJewable]

Her backdrop is giving me anxiety. Is she in a hallway? Is it a painting? Is it a door? 😬

[@JohnsonKayla12]

Lmao why did you point it out 😂😂😂

[@LeJewable]

@@JohnsonKayla12 because it was eating at me, still is tbh 😆😂

[@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978]

1st: It's a mirror reflection. The very right there is a wall with a grep line outlining the mirror. Then it's a hallway to hell.

[@antimartyr09]

When you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you.

[@lyledeyounges1276]

oh my god you're right - now the more I look at it the more confused I get lmao

[@empathytobacco2008]

I got chills running down my spine imagining twitter when she said *THERE'S ONLY 2 GENDERS*

[@toongamer2810]

You already know all the children on there are gonna be so mad lmao

[@cuber3603]

What about intersex people

[@hugheast318]

@@MuchCow9000 what

[@remigal899]

@@MuchCow9000 what

[@cinnamontoastcrunch5665]

Lol you can hear the screaming in the distance if you listen carefully

[@dperr338]

I’ve never been so confused with society until now. I sat and listened to the arguments of the lgbt+++++ community or whatever they call themselves. I’ve realized you cannot have a confused individual explain themselves without yourself also being confused.

[@mostlypixels2975]

I tried to get one to explain what a woman was and their answer was "a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman". WTF lol

[@Nando-po3db]

@@mostlypixels2975 but if that's what a women is. What does it mean to be a woman if it's just something you identify as? It'd be meaningless word.

[@mostlypixels2975]

@@Nando-po3db Pressing them further you get something like this "a woman is someone who conforms to female stereotypes". A man who acts like a 50s housewife is more female than a woman who likes fixing cars. It's all based on sexist stereotypes it looks like.

[@Nando-po3db]

@@mostlypixels2975 yeah like wtf, I thought that community was against stereotypes and trying to brake them, like wtf????

[@gigib.965]

You’re not the one that is “Confused”…You actually KNOW the answer when asked “What is a woman/Man??” …The ones that can’t answer are actually the “Confused” ones 😂…My 7 year old niece knows the difference between boy and girl…lol

[@TheHitman5c]

I am so glad when Joe said "In your opinion there are only 2 genders" Dr Soh stopped him and corrected him that "No, There ARE only 2 genders, its not an opinion". Thank you for that.

[@TheHitman5c]

@Robin Hogan What exactly are they wrong about and how is this doctor "fake"?

[@pudgebonetv9628]

@Robin Hogan you are wrong. And you know it. You can't cite any proof other than opinion.

[@TheHitman5c]

@Robin Hogan Really? Can you give me a list of the sources she used? Or maybe you are assuming her only source was her own book.

[@TheHitman5c]

@Robin Hogan So you are assuming it was her only source. Got it.

[@TheWoodsquid]

I got no research on the sujet honestly, the last research i really dived into that was remotely related was updated Kinseyan scale sexuality stuff which i do understand is a separate issue. I hear, as does everybody these days, a lot of talk about non'binary, trans, gender fluidity. I myself have had some amount of these thoughts and emotions as a young person so i understand there is truth behind gender confusion or that other word i can't remember (maybe dismorphia, idunno). But i frankly have no idea who to read that actually has real research because while this lady may be parroting, as @robin hogan is saying, a pretty typical normie desired worldview on this topic, i find any advocate for the trans or gender fluid argument doesn't use much evidence either and seems to parrot their own agenda... and you gotta understand from a teen to now i have been thinking armchair thoughts (i dont have time for lota of article reading/research, got shit to do) about the philosophical, societal, and psychological factors involved in this sort of thing. That said i would like to know if there is some easily digestible research out there on the matter... and holy fuck this is long

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

My biological age is mid thirties but I identify as an elderly citizen, except on Tuesdays when there’s a children’s discount at the cinema

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

@Hakim Habib speaking as a bag of potatoes, I actually find your comment highly potatophobic

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

@Hakim Habib fair enough about the illteratephobic comment, I’m guilty and surely deserve punishment. Wait, whose bank account details do you currently have?

[@ypaulkim4607]

This is literally gonna be a public case in the future just watch

[@CristianMartinez-du2rf]

@barbruhtoes they were joking dawg 💀

[@hollytyson8312]

Your the sort of person that takes factual information and uses it as a joke on trans people. Rather than do what this lady is like and show balance.

[@Quball_Productions]

Joe Rogan cannot be cancelled, he can't be silenced. Bravo to Joe for daring to give a platform to people like Deb Soh.

[@vietimports]

joe will never be your friend or your daddy

[@kaddo34]

@@vietimports funny coming from a person who's dad probably left at an early age 😂😂

[@ericrosario5369]

vietimports Ahh look a projector.

[@SeanPayne1]

vietimports wow your mean opinions are opinions, we have diets, you don't have to ingest and digest any of this.

[@OhWellWhatTheHell1]

very brave of joe to give a platform to an idiot. bravo!

[@77XTINA]

Rogan highlights a good point when he asked her, "How do you feel more masculine?" When ultimately personality traits, at least in the modern world, are no more male or female. Gender is a biological identity, it doesn't extend to our personality anymore, as the the gender roles are fluid in our modern society and either male or female can display traits of aggressiveness or hyper sensitivity... etc So just because a male born individual has the generalised stereotype temperament of a women, doesn't mean they've been born into the wrong body. Both male and females are born with the same spectrum of emotions and capabilities for these temperaments.

[@Confindencedrugee]

I think some people just want to be a victim of social injustice so they started a whole movement. We don’t stop anyone from doing anything in this country for the most part. All these people could live how they want but decided to shove it in everyone’s face.

[@77XTINA]

@@Confindencedrugee Yes, I think it might come down to minority groups harboring feelings of anger and hurt as a result from societal displacement, and wanting to direct that towards someone. It's a rather natural human reaction, but ultimately doesn't solve anything.

[@nowandrew4442]

@@77XTINA if there are demonstrably two categories of anything, i.e. everything is either 0 or 1.. black or white.. then she must be able to give a precise definition of exactly what qualifies as each of those categories. I'm a bit disappointed that JR didn't push her on this. If [her research] "science" proves that there are exactly two genders, then she must be able to give those precise definitions and we can exactly categorise every single person easily. I'm very liberal but I do respect Joe's approach in general. But he dropped the ball here. Maybe he was just smitten as others have suggested heheh.

[@jelayastewart4804]

When girls say they felt more like boys when they were younger, honestly most young girls were Tom boys. I was a Tom boy when I was younger I fought boys, I played sports I was like a boy, but that doesn’t mean I have an inner masculine or I’m innately male. I think women need to differentiate that.

[@027betz]

exactly! like why is taking an automotives class too masculine? we all drive cars, yet i couldn't as a girl.

[@jacquelineess1141]

@MIAH RICKERT Are you triggered or something? Saying one was/is a tomboy does not mean they're doing it to "get ze man" or whatever you're projecting unto others. In fact, most men prefer a feminine woman 9 times out of 10 which is perfectly understandable. Wtf is wrong with you people lately, you jump at any opportunity to label and assume whatever filth you have in your puny brain. Pathetic

[@dannygjk]

There is more to the debate than whether or not a girl was tomboy.

[@steviek27]

gender expression and gender identity are different y’all

[@aaliyahx5081]

I was the exact same lmaoo

[@mars5225]

I feel bad for the girls who were tomboys and people made them think that means they are trans

[@lateeshavaillancourt4653]

As a tomboy, I can speak only for myself of course as everyone is different, I have never been told I’m trans or will be etc etc.

[@lateeshavaillancourt4653]

bodd boward society is too sensitive nowadays

[@mars5225]

bodd boward why’d u sensor the a lmfao

[@mars5225]

bodd boward rats

[@milld9345]

I’m a Tomboy and no one has brought up if I could be trans. I honestly think a lot of this gender non conforming stuff is all to do with trends in high school. I saw the same thing when I was a teen (transgenderism wasn’t a thing) but being bi or a lesbian was all the rage. You could tell most of the girls at my school we’re just in it for the “trend” factor 🤦🏻‍♀️now they are back to being strait and housewives 🤷🏻‍♀️🤔 I was not happy being objectified as a woman and so strapped down my boobs in high school, I think a lot of women/girls are converting their sex has a lot to do with not wanting to be noticed or objectified on a subconscious level. That’s what was happening to me without realizing it. If transgenderism was I thing when I was a teen I bet I would have convinced myself I want to be male as I didn’t know how to put into words how and what I was feeling. But I’m female and happy to stay that way and to be honest wouldn’t want to be a male as they are the ones that made me feel objectified, made me feel uncomfortable as a female.

[@Zach-eb1jd]

“Hey everybody! I’m Chinese!” -Dave Chappelle

[@NothingAssigned]

Thats how i feel on the inside!

[@danlewis1885]

He does like the Wu Tang Clan

[@3ZN357]

And a fucking excellent special at that

[@misterhiggins5897]

😂😂😂

[@paultrought267]

China is a Nation. Not a Race.

[@manuelnunez8802]

When I was a little kid, my closest adults were women - my mother and grandmother. I watched a lot of shows about women and women's lives. I began to pretend to breast feed my teddy bears and I used to do that constantly. My mother and grandmother did not scold me. They did not yell at me or mistreat me. They simply taught me about how women have the ability to feed children with their breasts and men do not. They taught me the difference between the two sexes; the clear and defined biological differences. Over time, I got it. I understood and little by little that childhood phase left me completely. I am a perfectly happy heterosexual cis - gender male with many LGBTQ friends. I support the right of Gay couples to marry. I support the right of trans people to join the military and the right of adults (not children) to choose to transition. I think the notion of allowing children - who literally know NOTHING about who they really are - to dictate whether they should choose to be male or female (or some weird neo-limbo non-binary state) is insane. The thought of what would have happened to me if I were a child living in today's society and my parents would have been a pair of ultra - left "woke" individuals is horrifying to me. If an adult wishes to live as Non-Binary, that is fine. If an adult wishes to use the strange they/them pronoun, that is fine and it is that individual's right. And it IS strange because "they" is a PLURAL noun, NOT a SINGULAR noun. And THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING STRANGE. I have my own strange leans. I like to watch horror movies to sleep. That is STRANGE. I acknowledge this. I accept it. Accept your strangeness and be comfortable with it, but don't pretend that it is the norm. And for G-d's sake, stop trying to muddle the waters for children whose minds need direction. If a child shows signs of transgender identity (as I did as a child), gently and lovingly teach that child the biological differences between the sexes. Reinforce that teaching gently, with love - not with shame. Continue to reinforce it, because it will take time for the child to catch on. If the child reaches adulthood and he or she is STILL convinced that he or she needs to transition, THEN - AND ONLY THEN - as an adult, should the option for a surgical transition be considered.

[@wyntrheart]

In the United States it is already illegal to do most gender affirming surgeries on anyone under the age of 18. The sole exception to this are some states which allow breast enlargement or reduction to be performed as young as 16, but this is a simple and easily reversible procedure, and they have to be living full time as their identified gender for years for this to even be an option. The earliest form of medical transition is puberty blockers which delay some effects of puberty (essentially resulting in a more 'androgenous' appearance that can easily present as either gender) and have no permanent effect when the drugs are removed, and they can only be used as young as 10 years old. Very few people start transition this young. Hormone replacement therapy can cause more permanent changes over a long timespan, but the minimum age for that is 16, so when they reach adulthood a person who grew up transgender won't have any irreversible changes to their body. Only on reaching adulthood do more permanent surgeries become an option. And every part of this process requires approval from psychiatrists and physicians. All this outrage about surgeries on grade schoolers or whatever is based on misinformation. As someone who didn't figure out for sure they were trans until several years into adulthood, it would have saved me a lot of grief to grow up in an informed and accepting environment where I would have felt safe to ask questions and experiment with my presentation and, when I was old enough, take medical measures to prevent the now irreversible changes to my body that will cause me distress for the rest of my life.

[@redveinborneo4673]

Your experience isn't identical to everyone else's. You're not trans. That's why your story went where it went. Now just imagine how different your life would have been if you were trans and had to spend years trying to convince yourself that you weren't just to appease your family and everyone else around you. Then when the 2010's roll around and attitudes toward trans people starts to change you finally accept who you are but you are now so far into being a man that the rest of your life will be even more of a struggle as you work to present feminine and have to have conversation after conversation with the people you know just to justify who you are. Then you lose some friends because they think you're insane and maybe even have to cut ties with family members who don't understand you because you never got the chance to express yourself earlier in life. Kinda sucks, right?

[@FreeState.21ST]

@@redveinborneo4673 Your comment is quite confusing. "you are so far into being a man","more of a struggle to present feminine" Can you even define what trans means?

[@bubblehubble13]

@@FreeState.21ST I think they meant that the trans person was so used to acting like somebody who they weren't, that they couldn't get out of this narrative they built up their entire lives Lemme try to make it a bit clearer with an example- Say a trans man (as in, somebody born a female who identifies as a male) lived their entire life growing up as a girl, trying to ignore how they genuinely felt because they wanted to appease their family, trying to fit in with society, etc. etc. Now suddenly, society has started to change the way they view trans people. They start to be a little more accepting. The trans man may want to fully transition now, since they see an opportunity to live a happy life in a society that won't shame them for their nature. Buuuuut since they grew up as a girl, they might find that to be difficult. They only own feminine clothing, all their friends only know them as a girl, their name might be super feminine, and all of that. It'd take time to buy a whole new set of clothing, to come out to every single one of their friends (who might take it super badly and leave them or worse), and more Does that clear up the confusion? ^^"

[@mozuesolympian2988]

Be honest do you really need a doctor to figure this out.

[@joeellis4013]

Bro I’m telling you

[@avillazamora3660]

Yes

[@Blacksugar259]

World is going insane

[@mozuesolympian2988]

Blacksugar259 “ World is going insane” “ - Always has been.”

[@dutchvanderlin2205]

Mozues Olympian this comment

[@klarkkent9321]

If I could have slice of bread for each gender, I would make a sandwich

[@src3360]

But not a Big Mac 🤙🏻💦

[@SD-ym1rt]

What kind of sandwich?

[@StoonRay1]

thats a brilliant way to say it...Im going to steal that. Thanks!!

[@fidelmercado2621]

Lol

[@gmb7200]

Not a club sandwich

[@UchihaDZoro-se9pc]

It's a psychological issue, that people are turning into a social issue.

[@vg1400]

It honestly depends on where you reside. “Abnormal” psychological behavior is determined by what a society agrees is deviant, dangerous, distressful, and/or dysfunctional (i.e., what is socially acceptable). Socially acceptable and non-socially acceptable behavior can change depending on a society’s attitude to said behavior (e.g., interracial marriage, homosexuality, segregation). Your argument was used to keep races apart and keep homosexuals out of the military (among other things). Though most or some might share your view, it’s clear society is changing their attitude.

[@goldenhole321]

V G I understand your point completely. However, I think the issue is that trans issues often are related to very serious mental health issues; the suicide rate for trans people is horrifyingly high, and I do not accept the response that this is due to bullying. It speaks to the presence of problems that need real professional help. But to suggest that many kids who are trans may also suffer from related mental health problems has become hate speech in 2020. Not because trans = mental health, but because trans feelings often stem from other issues and not a simple desire to be different.

[@neb2385]

Society is made of people, peoples psychology and their psychological problems

[@userjim83]

100% correct, anyone who believes they are a different sex than the one that they are have a psychological issue, simple as that.

[@StunBuns]

Yep, psychological issue totally agree. I know you didn't say or even imply otherwise, but obviously we must have great sympathy for people with these conditions, especially since there's likely nothing we can do about it, at least for a long, long while until technology comes further; and even then, there may be more implications with a "fix"; a lot of it will probably be manufactured i.e. "correcting dwarfism is offensive to dwarves because you're saying their very core self is undesirable or inferior" blah blah, but some of it may in fact be a genuine moral quandary.

[@werdsmith23]

I like this woman. An easy and reasonable person. That’s it.

[@cnwil4594]

Exactly, unfortunately most people are not open minded, IMO. It doesn't bother how someone else wants to live their personal lives and long as it doesn't infringe upon others.

[@tomwhone9804]

Agreed. Unfortunately, as she points out, numerous other well-educated and skilled people fully agree and support her positions but are intimidated into silence by the left. Something the left is well-known for, intimidating those with opposing views.

[@AEdy93]

What surprises me most is no one is ever anti porn. Its such a disgusting multi billion dollar industry that brings no good except pleasure. The cons of it are much worse than this one pro.

[@leeroyjenkins8150]

Tomboy.... That’s the word she was looking for.

[@JM-py1dr]

This is hilarious 🤣 I miss the old days

[@RaimonTarou]

@Mice Elf i agree, a physically attractive girl who doesnt act ladylike (aka tomboy) is hot af!!

[@DaggerSecurity]

I think she was also trying to say she had a high sex drive like a typical boy and/or that she does not get emotionally attached like typical girls do. Joe could have tried a bit harder to get this out of her.

[@mkuc6951]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@cobramcjingleballs]

@Mice Elf or the stereotypical father who wanted boys to play catch with. I think gender deviations are mostly kids trying to get attention or approval from adults as kids, or peer group as teens (and autistic)

[@dolores4015]

I agree with her 100%. Growing up I’ve learned I can still be a tomboy and still be confident in being a woman. I have male interests and behaviors influenced by being around them, but I’m still a girl. Hell, I run like a girl 🤣♥️

[@meganfreeman3583]

Yeah one of the biggest things non-binary identifying people say is "it frees me to dress how I want." Like dude, you can do that without having to establish a whole new gender.

[@joliejarina1696]

@@meganfreeman3583 exactly

[@ryadh456]

@@meganfreeman3583 Yep, like how do you create a whole new gender based on what clothes you wear that day???

[@ryadh456]

Yeah people are confusing the complexity of personality with gender.

[@garmisra7841]

@@meganfreeman3583 Whoa for a second I thought your username was Morgan Freeman. I was going to ask if you could record my outgoing message. :)

[@murrayhough3410]

Just because she felt comfortable doing traditionally male interests doesn’t mean she knows what it actually feels like to be a male. That’s where it starts to go off the rails, when you assume you feel like the opposite sex but really have no idea what that feels like.

[@DeathbatOfSpades]

I think what she means is that she always related more to boy’s interests growing up and always seemed to relate better to boys rather than other girls. She doesn’t claim to actually know what it’s like to be a boy.

[@murrayhough3410]

@@DeathbatOfSpades yeah, i understand what she’s saying but my point still stands about not knowing what the other sex feels like. It wasn’t entirely directed at her but just in general.

[@commanderskip326]

she said that she felt more 'masculine' not male, she felt she have more masculine traits

[@murrayhough3410]

@@commanderskip326 I think what I stated in my 1st sentence covers that.

[@TheUrantiaBook]

Right, I'm glad she brought in the point how tied into social norms these concepts are.

[@redpillow7221]

We need more brave scientists like Debra Soh who won't compromise on the truth to please activists.

[@100YardFumble]

I'm a dude playing a dude, disguised as another dude.

[@CrapsGoodxD]

Lol key and peele?

[@hoodboylem83]

Tropic Thunder 😆

[@CrapsGoodxD]

@@hoodboylem83 oh yea, ur right! Haha man that movie is legendary

[@hoodboylem83]

@@CrapsGoodxD Lance! WTF did i just 👂🤣🤣🤣

[@hoodboylem83]

It's finally free on Prime

[@comicscodeauthority3920]

i don't understand this ''i feel like a woman or i feel like a man'' , i feel like a man because i am one. Doing things that a man might do, doesn't make you more male it just makes you a woman who enjoys those things.

[@garyjay7259]

@Gap What does it feel like to be male? A female? And how do you know this feeling is unique to that one gender?

[@darrenfleming7901]

The whole point is that it's your fucking choice and no one can decide for you, even if you get to the conclusion that it's stupid to feel like a man or vice versa you don't get to decide for anyone else. For people who are all about freedom and who supposedly hate identity politics Americans have a real hard time understand that they can't decide someone else's identity for them.

[@saltyshapeervessel2.062]

Well all these chemicals in food that hyper feminize men and hyper-feminize women

[@darrenfleming7901]

@@saltyshapeervessel2.062 the ones that turn the frogs gay?

[@Malik-hz5fg]

Darren Fleming what is ‘feeling like a man’? Can you seriously define that for me though? Traditional masculinity and femininity are utter bullshit constructs that are mere ‘spooks’ in most of these people’s world-views, so can you explain to me how one ‘feels’ like a man or woman?

[@bonjourzere9358]

As a trans woman, my conversations with modern trans activists goes as follows: 1. Me: *breathes* 2. Other trans activists: *"I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE TRANS- YOU'RE TRANSPHOBIC!"*

[@chainsawpochita]

Damn I’m sorry that has to happen to you and how politicians use your existence to tramp on women’s sex based rights.

[@ally-nb1cx]

funnily enough, most of these activist aren't trans themselves and don't even represent the trans community, otherwise they would have listened to your complaints.

[@rachelknightonline]

Same girl!

[@bluedaylight1243]

@@ally-nb1cx the activist think they are nice by talking over the trans person themselves

[@steviek27]

if you believe there are only 2 genders you are transphobic, bc non-binary people are under the trans umbrella. sometimes people specify it to “enbyphobia” but i don’t particularly care for that term.

[@pseudonamed]

Soh is great, she just looks at the facts and accepts humanity for what it is.

[@michaeldowdell3813]

You do realise this lady defended Todd Nickerson who wrote articles about being a non offending pedophile.

[@pseudonamed]

@@michaeldowdell3813 so.. she said that such people should be given help (i.e. therapy) in order that they are less likely to offend in the future, therefore reducing child abuse. Do you think it's bad that she wants to reduce child abuse? Or do you think this method doesn't work?

[@michaeldowdell3813]

@@pseudonamed For me I believe in punishment simply in that when it comes to who u are attracted to sexually people cannot help that. Just like u can’t pray the gay away. Of course I’m talking about offenders not thoughts. What I was referring to is I believe that he shouldn’t be given a platform for sympathetic reasons and that it was wrong of her to defend that. Because other people who read his articles have the same thoughts as him might be emboldened and actually act on them. Can he be interview and studied to understand these attractions he is having for the purpose of combat paedophilia? Yes but not released to the public to read. Just my thoughts

[@AJ-wl2bq]

I get what she’s saying but she didn’t explain it very well. Basically what she is saying is that we shouldn’t attribute certain characteristics to each gender. You can be a very masculine female but still be a female. Or be a very feminine male but you would still be a male.

[@jasonjo1993]

Sounds like she explained it pretty well.

[@marcy4564]

They’re trying to slowly acclimate people into realizing gender is either “not real” or useless. No such thing as masculine behavior: that’s sexist. Think about it. Explain gender without sexist stereotypes aaaand go: (Actually Joe in the video almost gets close to touching on it when he exclaims “you’re masculine???” because a woman being fairly terse and reasonable isn’t a masculine woman... she’s just a woman)

[@PascoQ]

I think it's been said a million times but, there is a difference between sex and gender. She seems to be talking about sex. As far as I understand there are very limited sexes. But gender is whatever we decide it is. So if we decide that there is more genders than just two, then it kind of becomes a spectrum. Does this make sense?

[@AJ-wl2bq]

Cornelius Montgomery Crane yeah it does, but it shouldn’t matter. If society accepts there’s no specific way to be male of female. Then you could act and do what ever you want and still fall under the gender or sex you were born with.

[@AJ-wl2bq]

Ai Orihara yeah I agree with you. of course there is certain characteristics that each gender tend to do, but no need to state it as it only marginalises the people that don’t act like that. In my opinion gender and sex should be the same thing. Because you should be able to act anyway you like and still be the gender or sex you were born with.

[@deanmccrorie3461]

We live in a society right now that’s like a circus, except the whole thing is on fire, the clowns are all dead, and the elephants are eating people.

[@mni_7]

eating people out

[@kidagave1]

empbac actually Obama and his circus of criminals left in early 2016 but not after they destroyed Egypt and Libya just to name 2.

[@2spooky4me63]

kidagave1 yep, then trump and his bigger circus of criminals came in

[@M.R.B18ck]

No, the clowns are now running the circus.

[@johndoe-cw8gc]

we live in a society

[@GreasyWop]

she couldve just said " im a tomboy" and everyone wouldve got what she meant

[@WSFM_Rex]

Yea this is exactly what i was thinking , does she not know that word exists lmao

[@greenmatrix30seven]

I’m so glad you brought this up

[@greenmatrix30seven]

“ how can I say this?” Well...there is a way to say it. “ I’m a tomboy” boom. Over.

[@harpyeagle5814]

That's hate speech

[@greenmatrix30seven]

Yeah. Sure it is

[@kandystorressantiago8865]

I felt the same way. I use to be a Tomboy. My whole entire teenage life I felt like a boy, and felt very unattractive. As I got older and surrounded myself with people who made me feel good about myself, I became more feminine and felt truer to myself. I grew out of it after gaining more confidence about myself, but it took me till my 20s to realize this.

[@jasmijnraaij2987]

Me too!!!

[@mfawls9624]

True tomboy females are the most attractive women to a lot of men.

[@robgagnon9058]

"I don't understand why we can't just have a fact-based conversation." Well that wouldn't fit the narrative, would it?

[@sophiesakura2719]

Hi. I am mentally a girl but it turns out i have a penis so i am a boy and the teacher told me to sit on the other side of the class. What should i do

[@Bolizen]

People who use "narrative" like that are typically cringeworthy conspiracy theorists. Good on you for outing yourself.

[@christianc.christian5025]

Because the side of this discussion pretending to be interested in “getting to the facts” keeps wanting to bring psychology PhDs into a discussion about medicine and genealogy.

[@nathanbruce1992]

@@christianc.christian5025 saying someone had XX or XY chromosomes is biology. Though biology has no bearing on what is 'manly' or 'girly', those are all social constructs

[@s0515033]

The fact based narrative is that there are two sexes, but a wide variety of genetic conditions that can alter how you look and feel. And historically, there have been many cases where parents have made decisions based on those genetic abnormalities to raise their kids with gender norms the opposite of the actual biological sex. Most people aren't aware of this because they don't actually study the history of the genetic conditions. You can be born technically male, but have both genitalia. Or undeveloped male organs and hormonal issues that alter looks, behavior because of genetic changes. There are even historical cases of men with vaginas--naturally. It is not a stretch at all to understand why people would be raised a certain way or why they might, psychologically, think a different way. Psychological states are also influenced by chemical states, brain development, etc.

[@winstonsol8713]

“I feel like a boy.” Um. Okay. How would you know what that feels like?

[@hatsuharulovefan1]

Winston Sol speaking as someone who has asked this question to people who don’t identify with their assigned sex at birth, they describe it as being uncomfortable with their private parts. There’s also been studies that showed some trans people’s brains actually resembled, structurally and functionally, to the gender they identify with rather than their biological sex.

[@Savageviking120]

@@hatsuharulovefan1 who isn't though. Many ppl have felt that.

[@Yusuke_Denton]

@@hatsuharulovefan1 In what way are male's and female's brains structurally and functionally different?

[@humanOctupus]

@@Yusuke_Denton they are. Do 2 mins of research

[@Yusuke_Denton]

@@humanOctupus Can you do it for me and summarize?

[@mariomelodies4448]

Good Burger: I'm a dude, he's a dude, she's a dude, we're all dudes, hey!

[@xavierpizza3269]

Thank you for bringing this back

[@mariomelodies4448]

@@xavierpizza3269 your welcome dude!

[@goldwerewolf8651]

he's squidward, your squidward, I'm squidward

[@ciarapress4878]

Thanks dude!

[@mariomelodies4448]

@@ciarapress4878 your welcome dude!

[@cuppabeetea7301]

I could tell almost this exact story but decades earlier. Masculine female scientist, who is still a woman. And so so grateful I had the time to work through my issues without harmful medicalization. The most disturbing part to me is the grooming that goes on in grade school, kinder, and even preschool classrooms! They are literally training kids to be trans at a time when they don't even know the difference between real and make-believe. Three and four and five year olds? They're still babies!

[@thehorizontries4759]

"So, there are two genders..." *CANCELLED*

[@shiwalogo2]

@VVhite VVidovv well... she recognized the intersex reality, which is something so many of these perspectives simply don't care or expand on.

[@pipi9280]

@@shiwalogo2 that's an anomaly. And besides intersex people have a genital that is more dominant than the other.

[@rabiesultan]

*SEX MALE OR FEMALE

[@shiwalogo2]

@@pipi9280 oh sure, it's not as common but it definitely happens. dismissing it completely undermines the reality that gender is not as clear as we want it to be. talk to intersex people and do some research with the community. is not nearly as large as the lgbt community but it's absolutely worth learning more about.

[@shiwalogo2]

​@Nishant Warpa most, yeah. so what dictates gender now? genitals? chromosomes? both? what happens if you don't fall in xx or xy? or if genitals are ambiguous? that's the intersex reality she pointed out, but didn't highlight at all

[@srxivi]

If I got a slice of bread for every gender, I would make a sandwich.

[@steviek27]

and i would put u in the middle and call it an idiot sandwich

[@srxivi]

@@steviek27 sorry to burst your gay bubble but we still believe in basic human science and biology over here

[@scrubmode7857]

now thats a good comment

[@sawtoothgrind1981]

@@steviek27 ohh llook at this ! crafty

[@boxergirl84]

Big Mac or Quarter pounder Club or regular

[@tabsamnic]

I am very interested in feminine things, hair, makeup, nails. But I'm a fighter and martial artist at my core. I love guns and fighting. But I also hate dirt and bugs. Personality and interest/disinterest does not determine that I am "gender fluid". My XX chromosomes determined I am female at the time of conception and my physical gender expression in the form of a vagina confirmed that only a few months later.

[@fadlya.rahman4113]

You can be feminine and still love fighting and guns. In my country, we have this history when an army of the State of Kedah fought against the invading Siamese army. It's estimated that almost half of the Kedah fighting force was female, and this is a Muslim society that place all sorts of limitation on women. In Europe, there's Vikings. A large part of Viking raiders were female. And yet you never heard about masculine female or any issue regarding gender from people at that time.

[@dr3dnaut38]

And what a beautiful form it is.....I identify as Female so this isn't creepy at all because you know thats the way the world works today..Im also just kidding of course.

[@fuckk-popandtiktok3388]

You radiate the "I am not like other girls" lmao

[@niranjan.a.r5135]

Exactly.

[@niranjan.a.r5135]

@larry Larry no ? What ?

[@noah1502]

I read her book, and though there were a few parts I didn't completely agree with (those parts were very brief), I agreed with most of the book, and it was very well written and full of facts and information. I couldn't recommend it more.

[@germxx2631]

At the end what she said I related to a lot. As a girl going thru puberty I was so uncomfortable with the changes to my body and the feeling of being sexualized. I was so uncomfortable i thought that I was transgender and wanted to be a boy. It tormented me for 2 or 3 years until I could understand myself better. I wanted to be put on hormones and wanted top surgery. But I knew that I would never be like an actual man and that caused me so much pain. As time went by i identified to myself as non-binary then eventually back to female as an adult. Crazy that if I told my parents I could have transitioned when I wasn’t even actually transgender.

[@FruityHachi]

experiences like yours should be talked about more often like you said, it’s changes to a person’s body and society sexualizing you that drives a lot of people to hate being their gender there should be an honest conversation about society sexualizing kids going thru puberty, how to reduce it and how kids can combat it so they don’t develop mental problems from it

[@seanreed9472]

This is why children should not transition, it is a serious decision that should only be made by adults.

[@tankerd1847]

You were just confused, that's the whole problem with this entire thing. Like puberty is when a kid gets a shot of adult hormones in their brain and has to figure out how to manage that, you know? You don't stop having the hormones until way later in life, you just get it under control and learn to live with it. The craziest thing is how much I see comments like yours in the comments of clips and videos regarding this topic. This situation is out of control and people are suffering more than they have to for it, and the protestors and psycho activists looking to validate their opinions aren't helping.

[@GLamoRousCooKie]

The true problem here, that no one points out, is the sexualisation and objectification of female bodies and young girls. That was the reason I didn't want to be a girl either when puberty hit me at 11 and I all of a sudden went from being a child to being a target of sexual harrassment and assault by boys my age, and even worse, adult men.

[@seanreed9472]

@@GLamoRousCooKie I am older now (60) and treated very differently by women than I was when I was young and good looking. I am, and have always been, friendly to all people. I treat unattractive women the same as attractive. When I was younger and good looking I would smile and say hello to ALL people. Today when I do so women give me a dirty look and assume I am, as you say, "sexually harassing" them. I most certainly I not, I am just continuing the good manners I have always had. Your complaint, at least when it comes to me, is all in your head. The idea of me having sex with a young man is just gross, stop projecting your weird ideas on me.

[@johnbach2380]

Is the concept of a Tomboy... is that lost? Why is Joe so confused in the middle of this video hahaha

[@terracannon876]

I think he's trying to get her to explain herself more for the viewer rather than relying on a word ("Tomboy").

[@johnbach2380]

@@terracannon876 I understand. But the way he comes off is like... "Shit I don't see no beard on your ass... how you masculine?"

[@theboogeyman6270]

She was kinda vague she probably could’ve explained it better

[@spikeboy101]

Not everyone gets things at first and needs some explanation.

[@WSFM_Rex]

DoubleBoe7 because she never said that lol. If she just said “im a tom boy” joe woulda known exactly what she meant and moved on

[@marisa7976]

I get what she means when she's saying she's masculine. Idk how she is on a private level or how she sees herself mentally but her personality and communication style is pretty masculine. Direct, not overly flowery or sensitive, very dignified. And as she said... it's all very personal and subjective.

[@edd8390]

...kinda like gender identity huh

[@marisa7976]

@@edd8390 go on, go on, i know you want to

[@edd8390]

@@marisa7976 even though you're sarcastic and probably won't listen to a thing I say, I'll go on. You're aware how in math there are infinite integers between 1 and 2 right?

[@marisa7976]

@@edd8390 uh huh

[@alh06]

Edward Castillo Math isn’t psychology. Next!

[@rebeccamadsen4509]

One thing I personally think we should focus more on when raising kids, maybe teaching them in school and making them aware of is that hardly anyone, ANYONE (at least it's what I think, people might not agree), enjoy puberty. I hated puberty, how my body changed, getting a period. I still hate getting my period to this day (I'm 25, got it when I was 11) and I avoid it like the plague whenever I can with birth control (approved by doctors and nurses but besides the point). Going from being a girl to a woman or a boy to man is uncomfortable for most people. A lot is changing and it's difficult to understand. Which is completely NORMAL. Acting like we should all go into puberty enjoying every second and feeling like we're completely in love with our bodies is not the reality for most people. I think this is important to show and tell young teenagers that it takes time to come to terms with. So being a girl and getting your period, boobs, hips etc and feeling like you hate your body doesn't necessarily mean you're trans it just simply means you are a teenager.

[@kobieta3906]

"we have to be able to have a conversation saying If you feel different that doesnt mean you shouldnt be a woman" 🙏thats exactly what ive been thinking! I believe people make up many genders because they feel that they dont fit in with stereotypical "male" or "female", but people within one gender are very different! You can be a woman who is very masculine and has typical male interests, you can be a woman who is not interested in sex or sexuality and STILL be a woman, without the need to change your gender depending on the moon phase, thats just crazy

[@AnthonySforza]

Tell me about it... as a boy, I never went through the "Girls are icky" phase and always had girl friends. At a certain age, when my guy friends were into masculine things, like cars, guns, etc etc... I had zero interest in those things. As I was always hanging out with my girl friends and we'd talk about fashion, clothes, models, makeup, things like that. For three years, this drove me insane. As it kind of went down the path of curiosity leading to wondering, then questioning, leading to concern, etc. Where I couldn't talk to anyone about it, because I knew the knee jerk go to would be that I was gay. Not that it's bad, but that was so not the case. So it was just utter confusion about what was wrong with me. Turns out that at 15, I eventually began to just naturally gravitate toward stereotypical male pursuits, not because of feeling like I had to, they just began to seem interesting. Where I became a rather masculine guy who used the aforementioned feminine background to become a fashion photographer. Point is, I suppose, is that I physically cringe to imagine boys going through the same thing I did... And being convinced/gaslighted/goaded into thinking they're girls. Or that they're Trans, going on blockers or hormones, etc. When all they really have to do is have someone who loves them explain to them that what they're going through is pretty normal, as in most people do and in a couple years they'll be fine. Then I say a silent prayer of gratitude that these activists and KZbinrs weren't around when I was that age.

[@kobieta3906]

@@AnthonySforza thanks for the insight. I think the idea of giving hormones to kids is terrible as they are still in the process of learning about themselves, and so im glad to hear your story. Most people turn out "cis" so its a very bad idea to force a different sexuality on your child just because theyre into girly/boyish things and they say they want to be another gender. I used to want to be a man pretty badly when i was about 12, i had guy friends and was into boyish interests. Now i have a boyfriend and i like being feminine, doing makeup and dressing up. I dont care about that stuff anymore, i know i can be a girl and i enjoy it.

[@Borderose]

@@AnthonySforza Indeed. I mean I like flowers and cooking and I'd beat the shit out of the guy who tries to take away the stuffed bear I've always had as a kid. Just having interests or hobbies outside what most would consider "normal" for your gender or sex doesn't make you any less that gender or sex. I can like cooking and MMA. Besides, who gives a shit what a bunch of randos think about how we live our lives?

[@vinayseth1114]

'Kobieta'-Is that a Bengali name by the way?

[@kobieta3906]

@@vinayseth1114 no haha, it means "woman" in polish

[@NickehDzn]

Why can’t Joe wrap his head around her being a Tomboy

[@DarklyYours]

I think Joe likes to play devil's advocate to get people to explain themselves.

[@kandacewalker848]

Because she is pretty that’s why

[@random-nz7dy]

Because progressive genderism has made this shit way more complicated than it ever is, was or should be.

[@mokkaveli]

because there are stereotypes you would usually attribute to the idea of a tomboy. Also, tomboy isn't a term that has some unilateral definition that everyone subscribes to, guess it means different things in everyone's minds

[@cryforthemoon]

If any girl called herself a Tomboy today she would probably be told she had internalized transphobia.

[@kimmymarky9538]

Finally! A scientist broke this down and explained it! I was getting so sick of people saying science explains there is more than one gender. In with her 100% I’m sick of ppl saying it’s science when it’s not yet I have no prob being respectful and using someone’s pronouns

[@Criner05]

I strongly recommend her book "The End of Gender." It has cited references. I thought it was gonna be a good read. It was a great read.

[@annas4843]

I m not gonna use someone pronouns. If somebody wants to be called they/zer/bug/vampire I m not gonna do it, I will ask them to call me your excellency or your majesty, see if they agree to that. Most likely they will get pissed.

[@SwedishBlouse]

There are six biological sexes.

[@radwansoueidan6390]

@@SwedishBlouse true, although not nearly as (much*) as trans activists want people to believe. The funny is these rare biological sexes have been proven by medicine and research as a result of genetic factors present before birth. The rainbow brigade consistently refers to gender being a social construct as an absolute truth, at the same time, they allude to these occurrences of rare genetic disorders of biological sex to normalize and validate transgenderism as natural. Their argument is so full of contradictions, how can you to point to biology as the root of gender of trans people, while also claiming that biological sex is NOT the deciding factor in gender identity and it is the result of social factors as well? I think more people need to be willing to accept that in many cases the significant driving factor of trans identity is mental instability, troubled individuals reaching for an obscure coping mechanism in an attempt to heal emotional,psychological, and sometimes physical trauma. If we can get everyone to accept that then society will see the criminal absurdity in supporting (irreversible) hormone treatment in children and physical mutilation.

[@SwedishBlouse]

@@radwansoueidan6390 No, it has nothing to do with that. It's because of reincarnation and it is a proven fact that there are people with 'female' brain structure but with a male body and vice versa. Most trans people were probably the opposite sex in their last life and are remembering it.

[@martinsinnombre]

Using somebody's preferred pronouns is not being respectful, it's accommodating their whims. It's exhausting this trends to use so many euphemisms that we end up buying into them.

[@its_4life]

"Helping an ADHD person to focus is not respectful. Its accommodating their whims."

[@pmartin6086]

Jordan Peterson being one that they've tried to ruin.

[@Dayz3O6]

She hurt my spectrum of feelings.

[@Kube_Dog]

She looks trans, though...

[@sanesc2543]

Kube Dog are you okay?

[@vossboy6337]

feelings are a galaxy bro 😔

[@Kube_Dog]

@@sanesc2543 She says it herself in one of the video clips. She says she has always looked male and behaved more male.

[@sanesc2543]

Kube Dog That’s irrelevant to you spamming it on other comments too. You’re dumb

[@ThresholdGaming]

I'm always confused when I hear folks say they FEEL like a woman or anything else. How do you KNOW what being a woman feels like?

[@duchess8762]

I think it is just an internal feeling, like it is how you can meet someone who has done nothing wrong to you or anything and you just plain out don't like them.

[@ThresholdGaming]

@@duchess8762 But how does one know that their internal feeling is correct?

[@duchess8762]

@@ThresholdGaming Good question, and my answer is I don't know. Lol

[@ThresholdGaming]

@@duchess8762 I don't mean to offend folks...it's just something I have always wondered about.

[@duchess8762]

@@ThresholdGaming Oh it is all good, It is good to question.

[@sketchergirl7]

2:03 OMG! Thank you for this! I am so glad that someone finally said it! This needs to be more a part of the conversation.

[@AndroidCovenant]

She's a tomboy. How complicated is that?

[@strategery101]

1 + 1 is complicated for a leftist.

[@HoodAssTrick]

It used to be not complicated. Now it’s the most complicated. Welcome to 2020

[@bobbybog449]

@Chad G Calm down. She just says she feels and acts more masculine. She's literally on your side

[@mouwersor]

If you (theoretically) scan a typical male brain, then configure all the neurons in a woman to be like what you scanned is that person then (regarding gender) a male or a female? They have XX chromosomes, a female appearance, etc.

[@LC-qi5ff]

Scarlet o’hara would have had to undergo a sex change by today’s standards

[@AndreyUrman]

When I was in elementary school, tomboy girls were the best, and all the boys liked hanging out with them. Those girls then grew up to be some of the most feminine and down to earth women.

[@ojyochan]

This💯now these trans activists want to mutilate their bodies.

[@vinayseth1114]

Puberty, my friend.

[@Commandercooll]

Absolutely. I grew up wanting to be a boy. I had short hair, wore boy clothes and everyone that didnt personally know me thought that I was a boy. I am still not "girly" but did grow comfortable being a woman. I didnt want to be a girl until I was 14. I really did consider a sex change (probably not super seriously). So scary to gove hormones to a child as they havent completely developed yet.

[@sladegrey9272]

Steven Crowder said it best. "If my son comes up to me and says he thinks he's Superman, I'm not going to throw him off a rooftop."

[@xxgeimxx]

no children are being put on hormones. this is right wing propaganda to scare people. at most kids are put on puberty blockers to delay puberty till they can make an informed decision when they are older and can choose which puberty to go through. also that's cool that you have found your gender identity but your personal anecdote doesn't invalidate trans peoples experience

[@Commandercooll]

@@xxgeimxx Puberty blockers are just as disgusting as the hormone treatments they give children. "Choose". There is no choice. You have a Y chromosome, or you dont. You all need mental help. Its child abuse

[@the_absurd_hero]

There’s an interesting cultural component to “feeling” aligned with a particular gender. I’m a woman, and I’m lucky to have had a father who was very present and active throughout my development. My mom and dad raised me to be self-confident, assertive, reasonable, and pretty quick-witted. To me, these are traits we could expect from any young American, regardless of gender. (Maybe I’m wrong..) But when I lived in Japan for about 5 years and exhibited these traits, I started to feel very uncomfortable. You see, the Japanese language is very gendered: there are clearly delineated speech patterns and vocabulary for men and women. (There are “neutral” patterns and vocabulary, too, but those are considered “polite language,” and if you use that among people with whom you’re expected to be familiar or intimate-close colleagues, friends, lovers, etc.-it’s considered very callous and rude.) The problem that I encountered, as a self-confident, assertive, reasonable, and quick-witted American woman, is that the expected feminine speech patterns/responses didn’t allow me to express those personality traits in a way that felt genuine. (This is certainly not to say that Japanese women don’t or can’t have these traits; I want to be clear that this isn’t wholesale linguistic determinism.) When I expressed myself in casual settings, I found myself reaching for the masculine expressions, which confused a lot of people. And then I got “confused.” I became very despondent (read: clinically depressed) that I couldn’t be myself without adhering to the gender norms of a culture I didn’t grow up in or even really like anymore. In the end, I finished my studies and moved back to America where I slowly regained my sense of self and self-expression. But the experience was eye-opening about how gender norms and gender identification are strongly inflected by (if not entirely dependent upon) cultural expectations.

[@shash2545]

Gender identity would not be an issue, if we stop wearing clothes.

[@dumbthings7800]

This guy... this guy gets it.

[@thethumbwarriormendoza817]

I see we have a genius here

[@FruityHachi]

not really, wackos would find another way to feel “special” like a different gender, they would use make-up, nail polish, hair styles

[@smellslikeoctober]

These people would still be able to find something to complain about, trust me

[@FaalDovahKriid]

This is almost correct. Think about why we wear the type of clothes we wear, is it because we have a certain set of genitals or do you think that the behavioural types we observe are molded by the evolution of culture. Think back to the olden days when being a real man meant that you wore 10 different colognes, a fluffy, fabulous outfit made with the finest fiber, stockings, and a most fluffy wig. Now, think about the 1950s and what a real man then meant. Suit and tie, clean shaved, can't wear any colours, a fedora. Did you know that the fedora was actually a women's article of clothing at first. This is the difference between gender identity and sex. Sex has a major part in gender identity, but it ultimately depends on the individual and the culture. About this video though, one discredited scientist saying one thing, and the majority of scientists saying something else should be considered. Here is all the reading you will ever have to do about the topic, and the scientific consensus: Trans people are valid: www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender www.apa.org/about/policy/resolution-gender-identity.pdf www.apa.org/about/policy/orientation-diversity www.apa.org/about/policy/booklet.pdf assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/ www.apsa.org/content/2012-position-statement-attempts-change-sexual-orientation-gender-identity-or-gender time.com/5596845/world-health-organization-transgender-identity/ www.unfe.org/about/ www.babcp.com/files/About/Press/Memorandum-of-Understanding-on-Conversion-Therapy-in-the-UK.pdf Sex is more complicated than binary: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543333556856815617/589195017952690177/Beyond_XX_and_XY_scientific_american.png www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/opinion/sex-biology-binary.html?ref=oembed journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2470289718803639 Gender transition is ultimately positive: whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/ pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/4/696 onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-03/tes-sdc030615.php www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223813/ www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC%20v7/Standards%20of%20Care_V7%20Full%20Book_English.pdf

[@ashg1635]

I always hung out with boys - every girl says this

[@TheChuckFina]

Because at their core, women hate each other.

[@mosdefiant]

Misogyny is at the core of women who hate other women.

[@nodmyhead6198]

@@TheChuckFina Don't worry, men hate each other too, just in a different way.

[@shireensaroea946]

not I . I refused to speak to a boy until I was 15

[@spikegilfer1997]

"I've always felt more masculine." "Oh my god, that's crazy. You don't even seem remotely masculine." Big brain plays with your boy, Roe Jogan.

[@dudeonyoutube]

report Spammer

[@MrCmon113]

It's true though. She's as far from masculine as it gets imo.

[@spikegilfer1997]

​@@MrCmon113 Matter-of-fact, to the point, neutral tone of voice. Certainly she's not got a body designed for heavy manual labour or combat sports, but in terms of the energy she emotes with? Rather reticent and goal oriented, which is more masculine. Men are supremely occupied with the "Why" of things, not the how. It's why when we get asked a question the response is usually quite taciturn. "How was work?" "Good." That'd be kinda shite for a podcast, but things are still staying within a focused mindset. You have guests come on where they'll talk about things completely unrelated to their expertise, this is not one of those episodes.

[@MrCmon113]

@@spikegilfer1997 Holy shit. My response to you was deleted because I called myself a f*ggot.

[@superspazzninja5297]

God! Everything this woman was saying at the end was brilliant!! Thank you!!

[@cole9645]

So glad she clarifies that the loud trans activists dont represent all trans people. As a trans guy I agree with everything she says and am gonna buy her book rn.

[@alfairsoft]

@J K i think she was saying she was a girl and is now a man.............. soooooooooo want to try again??lol

[@scottcantdance804]

@J K I think "trans guy" implies biologically female, living as a male.

[@vivaansethi]

@@alfairsoft Doesn't matter what gender he/she is, doesn't make them less of a human.

[@cole9645]

Imma just let you guys argue amongst yourselves.. annd go!

[@biggbradtx7056]

Unless you believe God makes mistakes he made ppl who they are intended to be. No hate I just don't agree

[@Vyper78]

Saying things are a social construct is in itself a social construct.

[@penske_material]

Isn't everything a social construct in a way? I'd say almost everything is aside from a few things, like biology

[@chrisdivodi9291]

Nothing in itself is a social construct. Everything is at least partly influenced by the human experience which includes among other things our sex characteristics, our general biology and psychology.

[@bustanut5501]

I am really irritated in a way when I hear that the concept of male and female is a social construct. Like, no. Perhaps the roles that you might associate with these terms are, but in general, male and female aren't what you call a person that does certain things in the household. It's about two very different human organisms. One produces semen (male) and the other an egg (female). The male fertilizes the egg and the female gives birth. End of story. Edit: Great, now I feel that my comment is redundant because she says almost the same as I just did. I didn't hear that part when I was typing this.

[@OhWellWhatTheHell1]

@@bustanut5501 sex =/= gender. sex is biological (genitals, chromosomes), gender is social (how you talk, how you dress, how you identify).

[@majav15mg]

OhWellWhatTheHell1 How can gender be a social construct yet gender identity be innate?

[@peyton176]

Shes like a man because she had the balls to say this.

[@lokichuurro]

🍒

[@popo0129]

@@lokichuurro Those don't look healthy, maybe go see a doctor about that. They shouldn't be red like that.

[@SeaTeaSnow]

The way she debates and tries to win points in conversation is commonly a male trait.

[@GXP50]

I identify as “LIL JON” my pronoun’s are “YEAHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET” !!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@KrazyGames21]

I identify as Roddy Ricch and my pronouns are “He-Her”

[@awesomeapple-jt8jd]

Lmaooo

[@Julie.Canada]

😂👏

[@3ZN357]

Fire

[@abdirahmanmohamed2847]

Underrated comment 😂

[@cube.9816]

DUDE this is hilarious XDDDD

[@GN77340]

I'm a man trapped in a T-shirt and pants

[@CamRebires]

Sir, you are so brave for raising your voice about this #GN77340

[@bluedaylight1243]

Whats your pronouns

[@whatdoesthisthingdo]

I’m gonna recommend surgery

[@Toinkity]

You should take puberty blockers and remove the skin off of your body and replace it with clothing and if the doctor says no because it's dangerous you should report the doctor for being transphobic and denying service to trans people, twitter would be proud.

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

@@Toinkity *twittcrap

[@DrMic2112]

Joe: "So, in your opinion..." I cringed when I heard that. I was glad when she corrected him and said, "Its not 'my opinion' "

[@petertomo95]

Its opinion.

[@shiwalogo2]

@@petertomo95 yup. it's an opinion.

[@shiwalogo2]

@@ugbold plenty of doctors and scientists think that the binary is too generalized and ignores intersex reality

[@Whoreallyknows]

I think she was clarifying that it’s an opinion based on the scientific literature. It’s not something she arrived at independently.. Therefore it’s not her opinion but rather what the science currently concludes.

[@DrMic2112]

@@Whoreallyknows Exactly....when he said "Its your opinion"....came off rather flippant.

[@TheClitorati]

Ok. She hurt her argument when she said she felt more like a man. What does it feel like to be a man? Perhaps what she meant was that she had more typically male interests. Other than that, I think she is on target. Trans activists, aren't worried about trans people, they're interested in political control & ideology. If they did care, then they would advocate for a more prolonged & holistic preoperative workup. Regardless about how you feel about transgenderism, it cannot be denied that this is a mental problem. It is a mental problem that is only being "treated" with drastic surgery & hormone replacement. That's fine if that's what is needed, but that will make things much worse for the patient if that ends up not being the proper treatment.

[@ikeepcoins388]

She probably just meant "masculine"

[@Cotswoldblonde]

She is brilliant and speaks honestly and with knowledge.

[@nowandrew4442]

Not much knowledge actually. Just wishful thinking. Not a single study referenced, finding discussed.. she just "says" 'ya this is it'. Bogus.

[@relaxingsounds1386]

@@nowandrew4442 show us your knowledge. go.

[@nowandrew4442]

@@relaxingsounds1386 how is that remotely relevant? Do I need to know how to make a cake to know if I like the taste of cake? Don't be absurd. Does a student have to know all the subject matter a teacher teaches, in order to know whether the teacher has successfully taught? Also absurd. I can witness her not giving out source-backed information, without being an expert on the topic on which she is supposedly giving out information. Another one: You don't have to be a car mechanic, to know the car doesn't drive right. You just can't fix it yourself. Give me Joe's platform and I'll give you my knowledge though, absolutely. 👍

[@__loafy__]

Claiming the binary doesn't exist because of Turner Syndrome or Intersex is like claiming people with 10 fingers don't exist because people with 11 fingers exist.

[@diamondman203]

No, not at all. It’s like saying that people are born on a spectrum from 9-11 fingers, which is true. Just like gender being on a spectrum. Just because most people have 10 fingers doesn’t mean that people with 9 don’t exist, or people with 10.5 don’t exist. They do.

[@cmack17]

This may be one of the most backwards comments I have seen thus far. The proper thing to say would be: This is like saying people with 11 fingers do not exist because the majority of people have 10 fingers...which is demonstrably wrong btw. Also... What does "feel like a man/woman" mean anyway? How does anyone know what it "feels" like. other than using external descriptions given to you?

[@Naskinlahtaaja]

Do you not understand what "binary" means? "Binary" means that there are literally only two possibilities, for example you wouldn't say that 0000111100001112 is a binary sequence "because the 2 is just an exception", would you? The accurate analogy would be you guys insisting that people can literally only ever be born with 10 fingers, reasonable people pointing out that what you're saying isn't true because some people are born with 11 fingers, and you guys proceeding to say "but those people are an exception, therefore it is still true that people are literally only ever born with 10 fingers".

[@diamondman203]

Ja C I know. That’s what I’m saying.

[@diamondman203]

Ja C Wait no, sex is literally on a spectrum. Intersex people exist.

[@bcastonguay51]

It makes no difference how someone "feels", you are what you are, and you don't have a choice in that, nature decides it for you.

[@oliv5757]

You can literally be born with a brain that resembles a male brain but have a female body.

[@tushaarverma2770]

@@oliv5757 wtf male brain? Where did u even studied?

[@xxgeimxx]

thanks for being such a trans ally

[@oliv5757]

@@tushaarverma2770 the male and female brain are different.

[@annas4843]

@@oliv5757 does that mean that sex is different? There is female sex and male sex as well?

[@acraftyginger3086]

Why does having interests that are common for men make a person more masculine? I am a girl, was a tomboy. I played with boys in games, didn't like dolls. Still today prefer conversations with men more then women. But NEVER have I thought I was masculine. I don't see how what you are interested in has anything to do with gender. I am a girl who likes to watch MMA. So what.

[@tlh1981]

Eddie Bravo told me Earth is a social construct

[@MrSamsoniter]

Well that’s just true

[@thomaswilson4550]

😂

[@nileist6666]

Im gonna look into it

[@sourabrahman8997]

If you write the wrong thing, you will be expected to right your wrongs and if it's not right_you will be left behind.

[@ryannoneyabusiness1805]

Sounds like you should check into it, I know some youtube videos that are very interesting by a guy named earthistrans420 who has a lot of interesting ideas

[@horticasey]

So glad that Joe doesn't pander to the hyper Liberals. These people need to be called out for their insanity.

[@jaidsalgado]

Joe panders more to right wingers than left wingers. You don't have shit to complain about lol

[@BrokeMyCrayon]

You didn't even watch the entire video.

[@sickfoo5506]

@@jaidsalgado because right wingers make more sense lol

[@jaidsalgado]

@@sickfoo5506 bullshit lmfao. Good one. Joe is very left wing economically speaking so he doesn't believe most of the bs that the right wingers he brings on spew 👌🏽

[@sickfoo5506]

@@jaidsalgado lol economically like what?? Taxing everyone into oblivion.. oh yeah makes alot of sense.. you are probably one of those "eat the rich" type dudes that hate millionaires.

[@japaneza1966]

What she describes herself as is what we used to call a Tom Boy. Is that still allowed?

[@RyanrMCMahon]

Her face though, not one expression at all.

[@slowburntm3584]

We used to call epileptics "possessed". I am not saying tomboy is right or wrong, just that old meanings aren't proof one way or the other.

[@Unxpekted]

I identify as 2Pac, an octopus, and a female version of Kid Cudi.

[@antonse78963]

Some girls get bullied because of their manly traits, and in that case I would imagine they would prefer not to be called names that was used negatively against them.

[@Paul-uw2my]

Sure. Just gotta em full of hormones now and put em under the knife. “It’s for their own good.”

[@matthewkopp2391]

One of the phenomena that Jung explained was projection onto opposite gender (anima and animus). One of the issues is man projecting onto a woman is an assumption of repressed traits onto the opposite gender. Or a woman projecting onto a man. So what we are dealing with is projection. Just because one has a strong transference onto the opposite gender as a child or adult doesn’t make someone the opposite gender. Instead of transition the older idea was to end stereotypes and expand what it means to be a man and woman.

[@jismjacket]

I don't like the term "woman." I prefer, "people with a cervix.' Lol

[@gregpittman1700]

Fallopians

[@MrCmon113]

We should use *holes* and *poles* . That would also make this sex-gender distinction explicit.

[@-Rickster-]

Taxtro holes and poles has legs! I’m saluting that idea!

[@Pllayer064]

@@MrCmon113 *angry polish people noises*

[@mattbalfe2983]

You know people are sometimes born (though rarely) with both genitalia.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Joe "my political's opinion on a spectrum too" Rogan

[@kevindelgado1459]

i know having complex opinions that dont fit perfectly with a current political platform lol progressives and conservatives are the worst POS in modern politics and they pretend they are the saviors of the country jesus

[@LordYamcha]

If anything Joe's just moderate literally

[@brainxtc2171]

Kevin Delgado conservatives and progressives are not equivalent.

[@AJScraps]

I have met people who said its fine if a trans woman fought born female women. Its like jeez, think about it a bit more critically

[@mr.merleb]

Gender stereotypes are not good, but Scientific Gender is real. A Biological Man is a Biological Man and a Biological Woman is a Biological Woman. Can we stop confusing personality and behavioral preferences with gender?