Dr. Manish Pandit dates when Gautama Buddha attained Nirvana and it is a shocker! P1

It is now established that Adi Sankara was born in 509 BCE. So Gautama Buddha should have been born much earlier, given how Buddhism had spread to the entire Bharatavarsha. Using several facts, Dr. Manish Pandit arrives at the date when Buddha attained Nirvana.
Reference: Dr. Manish Pandit on the dating of Mahabharata and when Adi Shankara was born
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[@chandraravikumar]

Thank you Sri Manish Pandit and Sri Iyer for bringing to us this conversation. It is crucial to the true Charithra of Bharatha that we rightly establish the dates of the Buddha and Aadhi Shankara in our chronology. I fully agree with Sri Pandit for the reasons he has stated here and more that are not mentioned here. I wonder whether this slight gap of less than a hundred years between the earlier and later dates could be the process of the setting in of the Kali Yuga and its firmly establishing itself. Even a tube-light blinks a little before turning on fully! The Shringeri Sharada Matham gives a date for Sri Aadhi Shanakara that places him firmly in the second half of the first millenium in the Common Era. This is clearly incorrect. I have always wondered why this has been accepted, or rather allowed to stand, by the revered Mathaadhipathis of the Shringeri Matham. This only gives support and credence to the dates dictated by western historians with deliberate agendas or otherwise. Leaving the minor officials and acolytes of Shringeri apart, I have wondered at the inexplicable omission by even Mathaadhipathis like Sri Nrsimha Bharathi, Sri Chandrashekara Bharathi and others to say something about this. I am also convinced that such revered Amsas of Eshvara Himself cannot be wrong. I am also convinced that Kaliyuga Avathaarams such as the peripatetic Paramporul and Truth incarnate that our Paramaachaaryal of Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham was, could not be wrong. And he says that Sri Aadhi Shankara was with us around 2500 years ago, around 500 BCE. One possible answer for this occured to me when I was reading the story of Sri Aadhi Shankara’s Paadhayaathra from the North back to the South. Anyone who reads this with all the stories in it intact and without dismissing them as ‘fanciful legends’ will, I think, begin to see the probable “Why”. S/he will also see why the Kamakoti Mathaadhipathis’ words are Sathyam and the actions of the Shringeri Mathaadhipathis are Priyam. I do not want to say anything more here, for there is so much of accreted bitterness among even the qualified scholars on this issue, and I am nothing more than a kindergarten level student in these matters with only a sincere wish to ‘know’, that I do not have the knowledge to discuss and debate with them. But a deeper study of Shankara Vijayam, as well as the political confusions of Southern India under the Islamic invaders and the British colonizers, continuing till today, just may throw light on this conundrum.

[@visalg]

Dear Sir, I thank you for your comment. I also think about the diverse "factions" who have different opinions and wish for collaboration on this subject. I am also convinced by the fact that alot of changing is going on just to minimize the itihasa and putting history of Abraham cultures in the forefront. This history is full of blood, violence, destruction only. What will mankind gain from such history? No solution to the pains of birth, old age, disease and death.

[@bryanlyons6128]

Oh Siri Sri you are standing in Bangkok. What a beautiful sight!

[@dariusmotmavilin3666]

What Manish says is in line with Vedveer Arya's research

[@neerajkulkarni1838]

Please invite Nilesh Oak ji. He has compelling arguments about MBH dating.

[@natalkumar6132]

True I agree but I think rather than a debate , both sides should work together .

[@vikramsoondur6891]

@@natalkumar6132 Oak is a f*cking fraud. He also has a deeply tAmasika nature. Compelling? Manishji has whacked his bottom countless times with respect to Mbh dating. Only those incapable of critical thinking and disrespectful of tradition can be swayed by Oak's preposterous claims.

[@mandy28887]

Dating of our history should be changed from AD/BCE system to an Indic system

[@choudhurysaheb8326]

What is your problem with AD,BC ?? Whole world is working perfectly fine with it.

[@mandy28887]

AD and BC have no basis other than being revolving around Christ. Our history before AD is vast. 3000 BC is not 3000 years ago but 5000 years ago

[@4z4d]

Scholars dont use AD / BC Its now CE : Common Era BCE : Before Common Era Vedveer Arya redefines Shaka Shakant calander

[@rudramath5949]

@@4z4d Even that common era is based on Christ.but without taking his name!

[@4z4d]

Vedveer Arya also has mentioned Budha Nirvana in 1800s in his book, Chronology of India : Mahabharat to Mideval India (2 volumes)

[@Gman27]

You should get Nilesh oak and Manish together to debate their differences in the dating of. Mahabharat 🙏🏽

[@namboodiries9069]

Great. Also some ithihya says that bhagvan aadi sankaracharya kept Dhana chakram at sri thirumala temple and Jana chakra at sri ranganath. Only sringeri, for no reason maintains the date of aadi sankaracharya bhagvan at 1200 ad. Kanchi paramacharyaji always held it to be 500 bc.

[@plmnjioqazzsw7962]

Sir nilesh oak say mahabharat ended in 5361 bce ......... please invite nilesh oak sir 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@slamcan2k]

What is Dr Pandit's view on Nilesh Oak's research and detailed arguments on our timeline?

[@4z4d]

There is a Vaad smavaad video, 4 parts on Sangam Talks channel on this subject. Both feature

[@slamcan2k]

@@4z4d thanks very much. i will check them out.

[@tenzinnorbu134]

Everybody will one day attain nirvana and become Buddha

[@skalrask8097]

By the ancient hindu calendar i trust..because all the other calendars cannot calculate hindu greatness and samaychakras!

[@thrinethran2885]

It is not clear from this presentation what Dr Pandit has based his period of Buddha on. Is it not true that archeologists led by Coningham have moved it back only to the traditional Nepali date of 623 BC?

[@sureshparikhful]

This thesis depends mainly on Kaliyuga. Shri Nilesh Oak has shown quite conclusively that the word has different meanings according to the context and at present we do not have a key to determine the exact date according to Julian/Gregorian calendar. If we cannot establish the commencement date for a specific Kaliyuga, then we cannot use it as evidential.

[@natalkumar6132]

But even if we were to use the dates provided by Nilesh ji things don't change much . Buddha Nirvana moves back only by 2000 years rather than 1000 . Both ways it's a win win for Hindus . Being the oldest means we had the longest consecutive civilization and the most efficient one at it . Our failure came after 700 AD which would mean a whole 6200 years after Mahabharata as per Nilesh Oakji or 3800 years as per Manishji . Both ways India wins .

[@vikramsoondur6891]

Oak is a fraud who has had his ass kicked by people who know more than him multiple times. How that idiot manage to fool gullible folks who know no better when real experts like Manish Pandit are around is utterly baffling.

[@giranibharish2676]

sir please interact with shatavadhani Dr. Ganesh waiting for it.

[@diwakarda1]

@sreeiyer Sir please provide an Annual membership option (119x12=1428) for the PGURUS CHANNEL if it’s okay for you.... it’s very convenient I felt

[@smoky3302]

U know that's why people don't take indian scholarship seriously because of this outrageous date like this . Vardhmana Mahavira was a contemporary of Siddhartha Gautama and as per jain sources he get nirvana at probably 527 BCE Siddhartha was a junior contemporary of vardhmana so his nirvana can't be before that.

[@tenzinnorbu134]

Gautama Buddha attain nirvana long before in tushita heaven and he cane to earth to liberate people

[@user-uh7tm9wk4w]

Possible but that makes him doing leela (play) on Earth. Avatars do leela.

[@therushi1]

Hindu haters, kami wami and jihads... Alka Lamba Ajay Shukla Azam Khan Anand Sharma Aakar Ahmad Patel Abu Azmi Amartyan Sen Abhishar Sharma Amir Khan Akash Benarjee Avi Dandiya Adhir ranjan Chowdhary ahmed patel aatik urr rehamaan, Ashok Swine , Arvind Kejariwal Aishe Gosh Alpesh Thakor, Azaj khan, Agnivesh, Assauddin Owasi, Akbarudding Owasi Arfa khanam , Ashiya Anrabi, Akhilesh Yadav, Anurag Kashyap, Anurag Bhadoria Arundhati Roy, Anubhav Sinha, Ashutosh, Amrinder Singh A Raja Barkha Datta, Beni Prasad Verma, Chandra Shekar Ravan Dhruva Rathee Danish Quereshi Divya spandana, Devdatt Patnayak Digvijay singh Deepa Mehata, D (Danial) Raja Derek O'brian , Dawood ibrahim, Ekta Kapoor, Farooq abdullah, Faheem Baigh Gautam Navlakha, gulam nabi azaad, gohar khan, hardik Patel, hamid Ansari, harsh Mandar, Hard Kaur, Ila Trivedi, imran Masood, Indira Jaysingh jignesh Mewani, John dayaal, javed akhtar, jayram Ramesh, Jagan Mohand Reddy, kapil Sibble , K.M. Shrimali (Marxist historian), kavita krishanan, Kanhaiya kumar, Khalid Saifee, Karan thanpar, Kanimoji Kunal Kamra, K Rehaman Khan, lallu Prasad Yadav, Man Mohan Singh Maulana muhaMMAD saaz Markandey Katju Murari Daku (kathakar) MK Stalin Medha patkar, Munnawwar Rana, Mamta Benarjee, Mukhtar ansari, Majeed menone, Manoj Jha Majeed Hyderi Manishankar Aiyaar, Maulana majeed rashid, Mulayam singh Yadav, Mahmood paraacha, Mahesh Bhatt, Meera Nair, Mehabooba mufti, Mahua Moitra, Malaika Dua, Md azzharuddin, N Ram, nidhi Razdan, nawab malik, nasuruddin shah, nikhil wagle, navjyot singh siddhu, nishant Verma, Naresh Agrawal, omar abdullah, P Chidambaram, punya prasoon vajpaee, Pankaj Puniya pratik sinha, Preetish Nandi, prashant kanojiak, Pinarayi Vijayan, Prashant Bhushan Pranoy jAMES Roy, preetish nandi,, pramod Krishanan , priyanka Chatruvedi, Priyanka Chopra Priyanka Gandhi, prakash Raj, Ravish kumar (rNDTV), Ram Puniyani rajeep sirdesai, Romila Thapar, Rana ayub, ramchandra Guha, Rajeev Dhavan, Rahul Kanwal, RaghuRajan, Rahul gandhi , Rohini Singh, Randeep Surjewala, Renuka Chowdhari, Richa Chaddha, RJ Sayema, Robert vadra, ShahNawazHussain, sonia Gandhi, sobha Deyy, Siddharth Vardhrajan sanjay nirupam, zha, raut,singh, datt, Saba Naqvi Sanjukta Basu shashi Tharur, SITARAM YECHURY, Shela raashid, Shekhar gupta, Sagrika ghosh, Sunil Chopra, Sharad Yadav, Sharad Pawar, swara Bhaskara, saurabh dived, Shobha Thomas Oza, salman Khurshid/khan/nizami sitaram yetchuri, Sam Pitroda , shahrukh khan, sabnam lone , shams tahir khan sonam Mahapatra, shatrughna Sinha, saif ali khan Sharjeel Imam Stalin TAPSEE PANNU Tahir Hussain Teesta Setalvad Tasleem rehamnai, Umar khalid, Uddhav Thikra UditRaj vinod dua Vidya Krishanan vinod kapri, Yaasin malik, Yogendra Yadav, vidhu vindo chopra, warris Pathan, Waman Meshram Zafarul Islam Khan, Zakir naik..and counting

[@sudhamuralidharan6574]

U forgot the main key Sonia maino

[@choudhurysaheb8326]

WhatsApp university forwards bro ??

[@krupashankaronjanaushadhis7722]

yada yada hi dharmasya ghalnirbhavati bharata...................

[@sudhamuralidharan6574]

I don't believe buddha was Vishnu's Avatar He never insisted in kriya/ Raja yoga

[@geethapai9545]

Buddha as an avatar of vishnu may be an effort to show Buddhism is an offshoot of hinduism. Avatar stories are pure imagination of brilliant religious minds to keep people connected to different forms of God who actually is one omni potent power.

[@choudhurysaheb8326]

So ? Do you do that by yourself ? And even if you do then what have you achieved so far ?

[@neerajnambiar9744]

Vishnu Avatar buddha and gautam Buddha are different

[@chandraravikumar]

Do we Really and Fully understand what or who an AVATHAARAM is? If the insistance of Kriya and Raja Yoga is a criterion, then what do we say about Mathsya, Koorma, Varaaha and Nrshimha Avathaars? For Vishnu Paramaathman, the embodiment of this whole Cosmos and Creation, and as the One who encompasses and Permeates all, could human-ness be of any more consequence than a fish, a turtle, a boar, a lion, a dwarf? Why does an Avathaar ‘descend’? Why this word ‘descend’ when there are no directions in space? What is this Vishnu that becones an Avathaaram to descend? What is this ‘Avathaara’ thing that Vishnu takes the form of? What makes Vishnu become an Avathaara? Are there only the Dasaavathaars! If we think on these, then surely the Buddha being an Avathaara of Vishnu can be accepted as true.

[@ogathingo8885]

Budhha is so on the point that ignorances is the source of sufferings....

[@svariar]

yuga can be determined based on the dark and bright lunar phases..........one lunar month starting from amavasya to pournami and then back to amavasya representing kali to satya then back to kali which works out to 8 yuga cycles...........so one year has 96 cycles or more [more like 99 cycles]........so 432,000 for kali means actual kali was around 4500 solar years........thus kali either has ended assuming it started after mahabharat war.........otherwise kali only started much after mahabharat war

[@SunilPatil-hs8wd]

Angkor wat temple was Vishnu temple and later on buddist removed Vishnu moorthy and installed Buddha statue. Not a good background 😜😅 because of the context of the talk

[@alberttanner408]

Nothing to do with science Buddha 1894 BC - 1814 BC

[@vinodkumarpadmanabha8034]

Let me differ, Aadishankara walked here some 3500 years ago and Buddha some 1000 years prior! Had read Pythagoras came to visit Buddha, all nonsense as he is fictional like Mommed etc

[@amangoyal6671]

This is bunkum,please confront him with Nilesh oak

[@visalg]

He has already done that, search for it.

[@amangoyal6671]

@@visalg can you please send me link

[@asifanwar2391]

Sanskrit cant be older than Prakrit. Language existed before civilization even when human kind was a tribal. And Sanskrit is civilized language and Language comes first then grammar. Initially language will be in primitive format, and it evolves as communication language over the period without awareness of grammar. Sanskrit logically perfect, means sanskrit is refined out of existing language. That mean already prakrit existed before sanskrit came. Sanskrit evolved on the book. So physical proof wise sanskrit looks older, but spoken language wise definitely Prakrit is older. Sanskrit is a refined form of existing language. Refined in many way, by creating sentence applying grammar(panini created this grammar, considered as first linguistic born on earth), by polishing words to sound good, by creating words by joining existing words with rules etc. So it is called refined language(sanskrit) and natural language is called prakrit. But later people started to bring content available in the sanskrit to spoken language of people. In that proccess lot of words which are originally of spoken language but polished came back to spoken language. It is like dophin. Animals on the earth came from sea, but later those animal went back to sea and in that process it evolved to dolphin, whales etc. Spoken prakrit also started to evolve on the book and on people tongue both and turned to many language like marathi, bengali, hindi etc. In south there were different family languages which existed before sanskrit. Even those language started to get influenced by sanskrit. But tamil kept it self distant from such influence. So it is less influenced and it has more non sanskrit vocabulary comparing to sanskrit vocabulary in it. Even if you study tribal language of india you cant find any sanskrit words in it. That it self is clear indication to prove there were many languages existed before Sanskrit came to existence.

[@manojjadhav7518]

Prakrit is no doubt base of Vedic Sanskrit. Prakrit was the language of IVC while Vedic Sanskrit was later on used for Religious purpose.

[@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv]

Wrong. Sanskrit is older.

[@asifanwar2391]

If Sanskrit language is more than 10000 years old. Then the strong influence of that language would have existed in the Indian subcontinent and abroad long ago but it is not there at all. Sanskrit has no resemblance to Tamil and Dravidian languages, no resemblance to tribal, and austroasiatic languages. Much later aftar 100-200 AD had some effect. International trade was going on with the Indus Valley Civilization, but if Sanskrit was the language of the Indus Valley Civilization, its influence would have spread abroad as well as 10,000 years ago. But in reality it did not happen. Much later, after 200-300 AD, the Sanskrit language had an impact on the subcontinent and abroad. but less than pali language. Mid 1700- 1600 B.C first Indo European languages inscription found in Hettite inscription. Which some sililar to sanskrit. in primitive form. It clearly indicates that sanskrit has Indo-European root. Which not more old than 1600 B.C

[@asifanwar2391]

The Vedas, the Puranas, these are not history books, they are religious literature, they have a lots of exaggerated, fictional, Mythical things. In hindu Scripture descibe dwarka very big city , golden pillar, build with Expensive material & art but aftar excavation it was fully false. Very few primitive ceramic artifact's found not more than (1400B.C) .😂 this incident happened also with kurukshetra only some primitive Painted Grey Ware culture founded. (1000 B.C). Same with gupta age .some argue that Patliputra was all great kingdom in india but archeological evidence is so minimum & not surprising. So this like indian Phylosophical, literalical , superstatious biased spoke person are not reliable.

[@asifanwar2391]

Lol. If budhha era 1800 b.c . Why Buddhism spread aftar 6 century b.c . Why all budhist stupa , architecture all are archeological evidence getting aftar 6th century b.c . why not in 1800 b.c . Full of lie mythical dating with mythical astrology books. With some co incidents. Some says Mahabharata1lakh year old some says 20000 years sone sats 10000 years sone says 5000 b.c some says 3000 b.c . This is not History .

[@therushi1]

Hindu haters, kami wami and jihads... Alka Lamba Ajay Shukla Azam Khan Anand Sharma Aakar Ahmad Patel Abu Azmi Amartyan Sen Abhishar Sharma Amir Khan Akash Benarjee Avi Dandiya Adhir ranjan Chowdhary ahmed patel aatik urr rehamaan, Ashok Swine , Arvind Kejariwal Aishe Gosh Alpesh Thakor, Azaj khan, Agnivesh, Assauddin Owasi, Akbarudding Owasi Arfa khanam , Ashiya Anrabi, Akhilesh Yadav, Anurag Kashyap, Anurag Bhadoria Arundhati Roy, Anubhav Sinha, Ashutosh, Amrinder Singh A Raja Barkha Datta, Beni Prasad Verma, Chandra Shekar Ravan Dhruva Rathee Danish Quereshi Divya spandana, Devdatt Patnayak Digvijay singh Deepa Mehata, D (Danial) Raja Derek O'brian , Dawood ibrahim, Ekta Kapoor, Farooq abdullah, Faheem Baigh Gautam Navlakha, gulam nabi azaad, gohar khan, hardik Patel, hamid Ansari, harsh Mandar, Hard Kaur, Ila Trivedi, imran Masood, Indira Jaysingh jignesh Mewani, John dayaal, javed akhtar, jayram Ramesh, Jagan Mohand Reddy, kapil Sibble , K.M. Shrimali (Marxist historian), kavita krishanan, Kanhaiya kumar, Khalid Saifee, Karan thanpar, Kanimoji Kunal Kamra, K Rehaman Khan, lallu Prasad Yadav, Man Mohan Singh Maulana muhaMMAD saaz Markandey Katju Murari Daku (kathakar) MK Stalin Medha patkar, Munnawwar Rana, Mamta Benarjee, Mukhtar ansari, Majeed menone, Manoj Jha Majeed Hyderi Manishankar Aiyaar, Maulana majeed rashid, Mulayam singh Yadav, Mahmood paraacha, Mahesh Bhatt, Meera Nair, Mehabooba mufti, Mahua Moitra, Malaika Dua, Md azzharuddin, N Ram, nidhi Razdan, nawab malik, nasuruddin shah, nikhil wagle, navjyot singh siddhu, nishant Verma, Naresh Agrawal, omar abdullah, P Chidambaram, punya prasoon vajpaee, Pankaj Puniya pratik sinha, Preetish Nandi, prashant kanojiak, Pinarayi Vijayan, Prashant Bhushan Pranoy jAMES Roy, preetish nandi,, pramod Krishanan , priyanka Chatruvedi, Priyanka Chopra Priyanka Gandhi, prakash Raj, Ravish kumar (rNDTV), Ram Puniyani rajeep sirdesai, Romila Thapar, Rana ayub, ramchandra Guha, Rajeev Dhavan, Rahul Kanwal, RaghuRajan, Rahul gandhi , Rohini Singh, Randeep Surjewala, Renuka Chowdhari, Richa Chaddha, RJ Sayema, Robert vadra, ShahNawazHussain, sonia Gandhi, sobha Deyy, Siddharth Vardhrajan sanjay nirupam, zha, raut,singh, datt, Saba Naqvi Sanjukta Basu shashi Tharur, SITARAM YECHURY, Shela raashid, Shekhar gupta, Sagrika ghosh, Sunil Chopra, Sharad Yadav, Sharad Pawar, swara Bhaskara, saurabh dived, Shobha Thomas Oza, salman Khurshid/khan/nizami sitaram yetchuri, Sam Pitroda , shahrukh khan, sabnam lone , shams tahir khan sonam Mahapatra, shatrughna Sinha, saif ali khan Sharjeel Imam Stalin TAPSEE PANNU Tahir Hussain Teesta Setalvad Tasleem rehamnai, Umar khalid, Uddhav Thikra UditRaj vinod dua Vidya Krishanan vinod kapri, Yaasin malik, Yogendra Yadav, vidhu vindo chopra, warris Pathan, Waman Meshram Zafarul Islam Khan, Zakir naik..and counting