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[@reminders8657]

Dang... Peterson is soooooo persuasive here. I almost believed him... until I read the disclaimer KZbin put on this video about climate change. That was close.

[@GaRdZ82]

Great point

[@1stdebunker]

love this, good one

[@sddyck]

😂

[@blujay9191]

I feel for you. I had a similar experience with Dr. John Campbell and the jab.

[@Brandon-0300]

🤣 make sure we never think for ourselves

[@faevoryn6578]

KZbin puts a note prominently under this video, making sure we know what we are "supposed" to think about the topic being discussed.

[@yassinsuleiman655]

I'm on mobile and I can't see anything, is it on desktop?

[@Crocoroar]

@@yassinsuleiman655 Yes. It is the generic wikipedia note quoting UN about how climate change is real. They automatically slap these notes on any topic that the left politically disagrees with.

[@pingislife2653]

​@@yassinsuleiman655, I'm on mobile also. For me there is a context bubble telling me what climate change is and an external link.

[@michaelcrawford6325]

I see it on my Samsung. A very progressive take offered by Google on climate change. Thanks Google

[@MrBigbadbob09]

Similar to Covid "info"

[@francoblu9498]

I'll start worrying about climate change when the elites who are telling me I should care stop flying in private planes to discuss how the rest of the world needs to suffer for the cause.

[@samvandervelden8243]

Maybe you shouldn't base your opinion on corrupt elites but on.the scientific conseneus

[@francoblu9498]

@@samvandervelden8243 whoosh?

[@TR-uw2sp]

​@samvandervelden8243 like the scientific consensus paid for and feeding their families from the elites? When it gets a couple degrees warmer I'll take a shirt off. When it gets colder I'll put a jacket on. There is no model or algorithm accurate enough to predict the future climate. More CO2 will result in more plant life at the worst. There have always been natural disasters and always will be.

[@tdaveniii]

@@samvandervelden8243I will rely on the scientific consensus as they demonstrate by their behaviour.

[@Sedona119]

@@samvandervelden8243his point is like it won’t make a difference if you pick up one leaf off of your lawn everyday if a big dump truck comes by and unloads a whole truck full of leaves on your lawn everyday. Your attempts will be futile. Another thing is the US only contributes 15% to CO2 emissions and China is almost double that. You need to start with the biggest monster before fixing the little monsters will make any bit of a difference. But besides, none of it really matters, there will always be pollution. The best thing for people is to develop economically, not try to solve “climate change”.

[@southaussielad2496]

South Australia has tried to prove to the world a state can run 100% on renewable energy. We have the highest energy prices in the world, we had state wide blackouts for 2 days, we have rolling blackouts in the city every night, rural areas can be without power for days at a time, industry is leaving the state because their energy bills are through the roof. We have an abundance of natural resources that we mine and ship overseas, but no way would we do anything to reduce the prices for the state population. We also buy a lot of our energy from other states. It's gone beyond a joke and is just plain corruption now.

[@paulg6274]

Not being ready for 100% renewable is not the same as "climate is not affected by humans"

[@1Mutton1]

You have been mislead. Sorry. All the east coast states are part of the grid. All states buy and sell based on how much they are currently producing and need. Blackouts would have been for another reason. Probably underfunding of transmission maintenance.

[@sillymesilly]

@@paulg6274theres no 100% renewables energy.

[@SlickRick12]

Just bc it didn’t work for you doesn’t mean that with funding and development it can’t be improved to work as intended right?

[@william14able]

This couldn’t be further from the truth. Solar energy is SO productive that it creates a duck curve. This is a real problem as over generation causes severe strain on the grid.

[@navigatorofthevalley]

They are increasing the carbon tax here in Canada by 20% on April 1st. Thats not a joke.

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

cry about it

[@rayjones201]

@@opensocietyenjoyerwhat will that accomplish?

[@zororat]

Oh how exciting, that's exactly when we get our new hate crime bill here in Scotland, also not a joke 😑

[@-8h-]

​@@zororat heeey, twinsies! we also just got another one here in canada.

[@-8h-]

HEY!... it's actually 23%. And on the same day, the 338 MPs are getting a 4% pay raise. $8000-$12,000 a year for their $200,000 annual paycheques, and a hefty $16,000 increase for the prime minister.

[@cuatro336]

The real issue here is that Destiny thinks he's about 3x smarter than he really is.

[@gbolt111]

3x if we are being conservative

[@sashabelenky2159]

He is one of the people who presumed that his ability to speak means that he is capable of thinking.

[@searabeara5328]

He can remember talking points better than other leftists. That's it

[@andrettiadams9483]

Bro just doodling what is probably stick figures on his notepad makes this 10x funnier

[@dr.berryfx8580]

I’ve never understood these kind of comments. I mean you’re free to say what you want but why not find points you disagree with or flaws in his case to address instead, is it that you couldn’t find any? I used to see liberals do this type of stuff a lot but seems like conservatives don’t do any better lol.

[@jonnyb6700]

Destiny in trouble with the Principal

[@chuch541]

Truly a productive and decent debate. Proud of both of these dudes!

[@gstar3569]

Ya shame she is a little lost hey ( he is a female in spirit)

[@bobmyself8819]

Destiny in trouble with the truth and completely over matched yet still impossible to listen too.

[@LowkeyHundo]

@@chuch541how can you be proud of someone who says Fed up things like “saving the poor isn’t worth it” and “abortion up until birth is okay”?

[@lain5858]

​​@@LowkeyHundo Talk about being dishonest and in bad faith. Destiny's point are: Not every poor is a good person who deserves help. Poverty itself is not a virtue, there is a lot of bad poor people. He is fine with abortion in the first 2 weeks. Very different from "until birth"

[@MrFallingfromgrace]

A sin tax is dramatically different than an energy tax… a sin tax is on something you don’t need while an energy tax is on something you need not want but need to live

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Yea, but leftists see energy use as sin.

[@caitlinharper1633]

oh buddy, it's for sure a sin tax. The government is punishing people for using energy because they believe it is "bad".

[@HouseParty13]

​@@Kyle-sr6jmit's related to the story of Genesis. Earth was a garden of Eden with a perfect climate always. Then you know who(str8 white male patriarchy).....

[@jacobsnapp]

@@Kyle-sr6jmsource I made it up in my head

[@jsbrads1]

@@HouseParty13 the father of all man?

[@dusky4151]

Well, regardless of who "won" im just glad that Jordan is having more black women on his podcast with videos like this one. Great inclusion!

[@jamescooke9785]

😂😂😂😂

[@Deedeedee214]

Needed that. Didn't deserve it, but needed it.

[@easymoney7007]

Hahahaha!!!

[@armondtanz]

That meme will be be passed around more times than his wife...

[@jeffgobert9325]

​@nezahuatez awwww poor baby, did that joke hurt you wittle feelings lol. 😅

[@ChanHolbro]

"something weird underneath, something weird that isn't oriented well towards humanity"

[@kirkyorg7654]

they know like everyone else the planet is over populated and they have no problem getting rid of a few million of the poorest people as long as the rich have their way

[@bt6202]

Control of Humanity.

[@1stdebunker]

The devil

[@shrodingerscat4191]

Word!

[@G_Ozare]

Correct.

[@steverapos3904]

What is the point of debating people if their goal is simply to win the debate, and not bring us closer to solving the problem or finding the truth?

[@shawnhowe7311]

For Show He is cocky as fuck to

[@Stevarooni]

You reveal their techniques and expose who they are.

[@TheJollyMisanthrope]

Because KZbin is full of people that will merely repackage ideas that they have heard/read and present them to their audience, without spending any time whatsoever scrutinizing these ideas in the first place before presenting them. There's a difference between taking apart an idea and trying to understand it, versus regurgitating it and acting as if you understand it. The person that does the latter will typically be exposed when they are asked to defend the idea against someone who has actually spent time analyzing it.

[@bembelofdoom1473]

you as a consumer may better decide wich opinion is more likely to you

[@JesseTate]

Who are you talking about here?

[@thomasjefferson5727]

Talk about being out gunned. This is like attacking a battleship with a paintball gun.

[@jenniek8391]

Yeah, Peterson flailed and hollered against literal science.

[@HouseParty13]

It's like I feel like totally like literal😂

[@HomeCinemaJunkie]

​@@jenniek8391what science? You mean the computer models which leave out the sun and the clouds? Did you even go to grade school?

[@dk-bw4gk]

@@jenniek8391 Yeah, that literal science that involves running climate simulations on a flat earth. That science that needs a CO2 "control knob" to get the results they want.

[@ShakeITyEA]

@@HomeCinemaJunkie which models would that be? lmao. there have been dozens of models and predictions over the years. they have come either true or things turned out even worse than predicted because the models were very conservative. maybe it's time you stop denying globally established science.

[@jamescooke9785]

I remember being young and joking with friends that one day if they could they would charge us for the air we breath. Well here we are, what a joke this world has become.

[@More_Dread]

except they are going to charge us for the air we exhale!

[@ty194]

​@@More_DreadThat's part of breathing.

[@barryaaa5909]

@@ty194 probably extension of a family joke, hold our breath so you don't cause climate change. The typical mockery to the psychopaths forcing this down our throat.

[@Bonzeaux_Bleuxgrene]

What?? You are grossly exaggerating reality to fit your conspiratorial narrative. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@More_Dread]

@@Bonzeaux_Bleuxgrene its called: a joke!

[@MicMan123456789]

This is a master class in not letting someone wriggle out of an incorrect position. Here tries to pivot everyone he talks and Jordan won’t let him out

[@william14able]

This is a master class on Gell-Mann

[@latortugapicante719]

You think Jordan saying that we can’t prove the carbon dioxide is from the Industrial Revolution is somehow winning then I doubt your ability to follow

[@emalek8290]

Jordan did a terrible job, just interrupting and failing to grasp the points being made. Happens when you get too emotional to use reason 😂

[@ChimpytheMonkey]

@@emalek8290 Hey, commie. gotta try harder to not get detected.

[@jenniek8391]

Peterson can't even define what climate change is without producing a word salad.

[@Dexamus1]

And "Destiny" doesn't even care about what Dr. Peterson is saying..... He's not even paying any real attention!

[@campland2880]

He's just a regurgitating tool of Leftist and MSM talking points. Just a dopey "replay" device.

[@Wate]

Why do you believe that? Was there any argument where he was giving time to respond but didn't?

[@Dexamus1]

@@Wate watch his face and body language. He seems annoyed that Dr. Peterson is providing logical reasons to question his perspective.

[@darthnocturnis3941]

@@Wate Just count the number of interruptions.

[@ulyx9804]

@@Wate Destiny's key contention about JBP's criticism of climate model validity was based on time-span, when he brought up the cancer argument, COMPLETELY missing the entire point that JBP was making that the lack of overview in time scale, since the life and heat cycles of a planet vastly outmeasures a person's. Destiny's analogy was EXACTLY demonstrating a lack of understanding about JBP's comparisons over the vast time of the planet's life.

[@1Mutton1]

The sudden increase in temperature is also massively.impactes by the measurement. There are very few monitoring atations not effected by urban development.

[@Stanley_Baby]

Exactly and even then it’s a very small amount. The funniest thing is our climate has been relatively stable over the last century. It would be mega funny if we ran into another mini ice age

[@Skunkhunt_42]

We could due to mass disruption from poles fliping or weak magnetosphere + solar flairs ​@@Stanley_Baby

[@trailtripper8183]

I am in complete and utter shock that destiny is not hosting The View.

[@cleanup8984]

This guy literally is a walking Wikipedia..ask him to recite something that's his go to everytime😂😂

[@cooterhead_jones]

He’s too good looking.

[@NotoriousMinion]

@@cleanup8984 can you name a single thing he’s ever taken from Wikipedia? 🤣 people love to say this, but it isn’t true. You hear of something, type it in a search engine, look through the wiki to get an overview, and then go find sources and further information elsewhere on what’s summarized on. He has hundreds of hours of streams of him just reading sources. He’s reading a book out loud, reading a UN report, reading investigations, peer reviewed papers, interviews, so on and so forth… I’m curious as to whether the right wingers have anything other than memes. Trump brain rot at its finest, just make funny quips and destroy the world in the process.

[@cwx8]

he's bad but he's not THAT bad.

[@SirBuzz]

​@@cwx8 Turns out he's not THAT bad. He's MUCH worse!

[@davidcarron2328]

I love the KZbin climate change link under the video. F KZbin!!!!

[@Chris-ro7mn]

I merely see a definition of The expression Climate change. Which is good because many people get confused about what separates environmental issues and Climate issues for example.

[@thecolourorange9499]

It’s just a link to Wikipedia chill out

[@bobmyself8819]

You mean F the CIA

[@bobmyself8819]

​@@Chris-ro7mnoh so mind control through propaganda

[@Chris-ro7mn]

@@bobmyself8819 there is plenty of that but this aint it.

[@ritaklassen5203]

Please keep setting the Climate hysteria crazies straight, Dr. Peterson!!

[@ShakeITyEA]

dr "we have no idea where the carbon is from" peterson is not doing that, unfortunately. we know precisely where the carbon is from.

[@demun6065]

@@ShakeITyEAwho says carbon is the sole issue?

[@ShakeITyEA]

@@demun6065 not me, so what are you on about? carbon dioxide is not the sole issue, but it is the MOST PROMINENT greenhouse gas and the MAIN contributor to warming due to greenhouse effect.

[@sebastiansaxon]

​@@ShakeITyEA the earth is now 20% greener than in the 70s. The us attacked the nord stream pipeline releasing the most amount of methane ever recorded. All of it is lies.

[@masaheimoi]

Man argues that secret elites want to kill poor because like Hitler they have lost the plot. JP is deeply unserious man. Like lets compare: Hitler wanted to make Germany most powerfull contry in the world, but ended with Germany in ruins because his army was not strong enough. ????? wanted to ??????, but is about to fail because ??????, and now poor are dying. Truly masterfull analyss of the world.

[@lilllwizzzle]

That point Dr Peterson raised at the end of this clip about faux compassion and elites planning out of "anti dystopian future was beautifully put.

[@RiggyRonnie]

Clear as day. If they wanted to really reduce CO2 they would plant forests, but instead they’re making us sniff our farts.

[@info_dash313]

Yeah... If your IQ is sub 60

[@BrainInjuredTortellinni]

There’s people that know what they know and always know there’s a chance they may be wrong. Then there’s people that believe they know and they can’t possibly be wrong.

[@MikeAIright]

so you deny nasa's climate data?

[@kevinbeardsworth3756]

@@MikeAIrightwell yeah. When nasa stop launching rockets and politicians and elites all over the world stop travelling in private jets and lower there carbon emissions then il start to believe

[@boguslav9502]

​@@MikeAIright what is the predictive power of this data?

[@supersmegma9801]

@MikeAIright Appeal to authority. Wtf are you listening to nasa about climate? They build rockets, they are not the authority on climate..

[@sethhickle9241]

@@MikeAIrightyes…the numbers are cooked…I’d like to point out, that we can’t tax our way to carbon zero.. people have to die before that’s a reality

[@drewmc2001]

Rationality vs. the Church of Climatology. Let's say that humanity is even partially responsible, the cost to "ameliorate" humanity's supposed involvement in the change is far greater than the cost to acclimate to the change.

[@matthewdoran3448]

Source for this?

[@chuckliquor3663]

​@@matthewdoran3448Burdern of proof dwells with the accuser.

[@chrisdistant9040]

@@chuckliquor3663that’s how burden of proof works, true, smart.

[@chrisdistant9040]

Yes, it will be much cheaper to relocate all our coastal cities and build large green houses for all of our farming, and to desalinate water instead of just getting it from rivers. Smart, genius.

[@vladdracul2379]

​@@chrisdistant9040 Name one city that is underwater in the world that 40 years ago said the ice caps were melting and ocean rising.

[@marcryptic]

Few people can take on Jordan, but this guy is definitely not equipped.

[@defconbrown8667]

This guy would destroy you in a debate. He’s extremely smart and a good debater. He may be supporting arguments that are not correct, but don’t dismiss his integrity or intelligence. He’s not an ideologue. He will end up on the right side one day and we will be glad he is

[@jebalitabb8228]

the old man screaming over vaccines doesn’t seem that equipped either, idk what happened to him I swear he was smart before that huge break

[@jakeh2049]

@@jebalitabb8228exactly. I agree with his positions but man, all he did here was cut off the other guy every 2 seconds like wtf it’s not even a debate at that point. I have a really hard time with Peterson even though I agree with most of his views

[@Elias2293]

@@jakeh2049 because the guy speaks too fast and jumps from one point to the next before anyone is able to hold him responsable for what he just said.

[@jebalitabb8228]

@@Elias2293 okay but he doesn’t hold him responsible for anything so what’s the point in cutting him off? Just let him ramble surely he will look like a fool right

[@t.michaelbodine4341]

Peterson used to say that the internal combustion engine was the perfect instrument for raising the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere and the greenhouse effect. But now that he works at the daily wire, he carries the water for the oil and gas industry and denies climate change.

[@who-nobody-never]

If humans didn't release CO2, in a few more million years plant life would have all died. The levels had been collapsing because it was locked up into hydrocarbons and limestone. Less CO2 means plants have to respirate more water, and spend more energy on stomas. Total living biomass has been exploding. If we could double CO2 plants would need 1/3 less water and we could regreen many deserts. What we should focus on are various pollutants, and destruction of habitat. That said, I lost a lot of respect(not that I was ever over the moon for some rando professor) when he went with daily wire. The CO2 thing is one of the dumbest arguments though, with nothing real behind it. We have had orders more magnitude of CO2 in the atmosphere over time and life was far far more dense. The kg per km^2 of animals has always dropped if CO2 dropped, the kg per km^2 of plant life has always dropped when CO2 dropped. It is all asinine. Billionaires want everyone poor and being controlled. You can help them, or you can fight to stop destruction of habitat and stop putting heavy metals and microplastics everywhere. Which is what most of the mining for materials to make "green energy" has done. Besides make industry and energy more expensive, making areas with climate changes unable to adapt to them and actually die.

[@brian13105]

The Greatest Canadian EVER , J.B.P. How he " suffers fools " is beyond me .

[@JSp4wN]

Agreed.

[@angelozachos8777]

More views … More moolah 💰 JP is an unapologetic capitalist - his partnership with The Daily Wire speaks volumes on that 😂

[@antiprogpragmatist859]

@@angelozachos8777.. you may dislike capitalism, but it’s better than any other economic model, Poindexter

[@brian13105]

@@angelozachos8777Ya , so what .

[@TR-uw2sp]

​@@angelozachos8777 what should people be motivated by? Especially if he believes in what he is doing at the same time?

[@pb08203087]

10:51 He admits (confidently) that he starts the temperature-mesuring time frame with the beginning of industrial age... to prove that industrial age activities caused it. That means, "we don't want any control group data whatsoever." Guess he never heard of "correlation is not causation." The possibility that this 100-year industrial age is just part of the long-term fluctuation from ice age to warm age never comes to his mind.

[@campland2880]

So hilariously true.

[@wangusbeef86]

Simply because he doesn't know about it, because he never bothered to learn anything beyond what the climate activists told him to believe, Destiny certainly cited their points like a well-trained parrot.

[@theartfuldodger8609]

Can you disprove the greenhouse effect on Earth's atmosphere that industrialization had though?

[@jeffreyjdesir]

@@theartfuldodger8609that’s not his burden. It’s now the climate change chasers who are burdened with proving their causative framework. His point is the seemingly common sense choice as the industrial age as a lower bound is naive and has a low confidence.

[@campland2880]

@@theartfuldodger8609 . . .that's a fallacy, as you can't prove any of the effects.

[@judithtaylor4799]

We are at the top of the 90-year Gleissberg solar cycle! We are having the same hot, dry weather as they had during the last two peaks in 1847 and 1936.

[@BrewBlaster]

Thank you; someone who acknowledges the elephant in the room.

[@R4G34D0N]

So 2025 gonna be a hot year then 🤔

[@flappyturtlesnatch]

Exactly! I wish I could thumbs up twice

[@maximusf3063]

Whatever happened to that ice bridge connecting Russia & Alaska? I guess the ancient inuits were driving too many sports cars and flying too many planes in 10 000 BCE.

[@John...44...]

Hhmmm, can you post some evidence for this as everywhere i look it does not show this at all?

[@rokoi3]

13:37 It cuts off here, but JP's arguments against reducing CO2 included an increase in food insecurity, and stated that inhibiting fossil fuel use is making that worse. Isn't a big contributor here the extreme weather events (droughts, floods) that keep destroying crops? Olive oil prices have doubled in just a few years. How does using more fossil fuels solve this problem?

[@halfgraincinematography]

exactly

[@wilfredruffian5002]

Density.

[@kipuchino]

Perfect.

[@lampy4485]

😂😂 love this

[@jackworthington5205]

He is at least sitting down. That is big

[@lawanimeshorts]

Why are you putting down the man? Atleast he's brave enough and respected enough to have a proper debate with Jordan, whom even pointed out he had very high verbal comprehension. Be more respectful.

[@SevereFamine]

Facts haha

[@dehe82]

Why no mention of ice core samples?? Temps have been MUCH higher and MUCH lower multiple times over the past 100k+ years. Simple. We can all agree pollution is bad, and THAT should be the focus. NOT "climate change"

[@WoWisdeadtome]

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, it is plant food and in turn food for everything else too. It is naturally in the air and even now only in a trace amount of 400ppm or 0.04% It's worth noting that below 0.02% all plants die and all of us with them. The real issue is that now with carbon dioxide being labeled a pollutant then every single person on Earth is a small pollution factory. Well if your mandate is to reduce pollution the road to justifying, shall we say..."direct" population reduction become very much shorter than anyone wants to think.

[@dehe82]

@@WoWisdeadtome I never said CO2 was a pollutant.

[@maximusf3063]

The real danger is how much bisphenol A (BPA) there is. BPA has a direct relationship with lower male sperm count in all species, and complete infertility in some species (some sharks). There are no humans on planet earth that do not have a measurable quantity of BPA in their blood (even remote populations). We are more likely to go extinct from lack of kids then we are heat death.

[@nyali2]

@@WoWisdeadtome You can go way further than that, We can calculate how much forcing it is causing. It is not relevant even if we go to 800ppm.

[@mcdick1621]

publish a paper and let it be peer reviewed. apperantly you found the very obvious crux within the "climate narrative". if only more people had as clear an insight on the topic as you have damn we would already be living in a utopia.

[@ipredictariot6371]

All those notes Destiny took… you would think he’d be open to actually learning something.

[@CHIM3RA.]

idk if he writes notes or just draws to calm down, i think i saw him draw shapes during the lex and shapiro podcast

[@ipredictariot6371]

@@CHIM3RA. maybe true but more a comment on his general disposition.. even arguing vehemently against left-wing liberal principles after purporting to be guided by compassion for the oppressed.

[@CHIM3RA.]

@ipredictariot6371 forgot to add that I agree 100% cause Destiny solely debates to "WIN" even though discussions like this aren't as simple a topic where one sides arguments claims victory. I'm with JP.

[@ipredictariot6371]

@@CHIM3RA. I didn’t answer your comment very well. Very good observations… yes, I recall JP saying something towards the end about the pitfalls of getting caught up in falsehoods. I think a sort of qualified reference to the conceded acknowledgment that he’s “sharp”.

[@ulyx9804]

Destiny bolsters his arguments after a debate, he does not generally change his mind or analyze his philosophy/principles for inconsistencies. When he debated Sean Fitzgerald, he didn't know the academic origins, development cycle, and current practice of Critical Race Theory, and still tried to debate about it with him, so he got his ass destroyed. In later videos, he specifically mentions these things when talking about Critical Race Theory, and tried to argue that they were at WORST a moral nullification because they could supply good things like perspective, etc. Completely invalidating that they are not critical thinking processes and focusing on their producing results that he agrees with.

[@jeremyjensen6832]

Usually not a fan of Peterson talking over his guests, but very thankful for it this time!!

[@hoorayimhelping3978]

Jordan Peterson: "you can't model climate systems or economic systems to the degree these policies require." Destiny: "let's assume you can model climate systems and economic systems to the degree these policies require [so I can make the point I want to make]."

[@timliu6870]

Yeah, I was like, how about lets not assume that!😂😂

[@william14able]

@@timliu6870 there is not some threshold at which a model is deemed accurate enough to make predictions off of. Just because you don't know or understand the model does not make it useful.

[@rolandheinze7182]

I mean, I agree it's impossible to model, but still worth noting binary scenarios for discussion purposes. But only for discussion. That's how we ended up with TARP... IF WE DONT BAIL OUT THE BANKS THE COUNTRY WILL DIEEEEEE

[@william14able]

@@rolandheinze7182 Business was on the same side in the climate change debate and TARP. this time you're siding with big business.

[@rolandheinze7182]

@@william14able I agree. I'm saying that's a bullshit causal reason to make a decision like that, that if we don't it would be catastrophic without ever really knowing the counterfactual outcome, like destiny is claiming to

[@legendman97]

Hahahah Jordan completely exposed this dude.

[@1stdebunker]

You can tell who leads their life in the spirit of Truth. It is abundantly clear

[@legendman97]

@@1stdebunker absolutely, you can tell who has their feet on the ground and who doesn’t. Cool icon pfp btw.

[@1stdebunker]

@@legendman97 Thank You, it's Saint Ambrose of Milan. I pray to never bring disgrace to his image with my speech. Hope you're well, much Love ❤️

[@legendman97]

@@1stdebunker based St. Ambrose!

[@eyekey346]

At least Destiny had the nads to show up. Plenty would instead just write some passive aggressive article making hollow digs at Peterson instead.

[@alananderson5202]

One notepad has genius level thought…the other has doodles on it.

[@tiktokcrazy6965]

God damn good fucking joke brother

[@tiktokcrazy6965]

😂😂😂

[@Philibuster92]

Yeah. Destiny’s notepad has the genius level thoughts on it and Peterson’s has the doodles on it. The reason is that Peterson is smart enough to remember everything destiny says without needing to take notes. And destiny needs to take notes of what Peterson says because he’s not used to hearing arguments that are way better than the greatest thought he’s ever had.

[@yodasmomisondrugs7959]

@@Philibuster92 I was gonna put something like that to, but never mind.

[@rolandheinze7182]

​@@Philibuster92😂😂😂😂

[@housevollmer9106]

Jordan’s arguments are always precise and compelling!!

[@theovertaker40]

Are they really? At University we are taught the importance of being concise. I don't think Jordan understands that concept.

[@perskagerstrom8219]

That is what so dangerus

[@perskagerstrom8219]

​@@theovertaker40he doesent

[@mtfine]

Why does anyone (including Destiny ) thinks Destiny has anything useful to say? He comes across as a smug narcissist.

[@hedonismbot3274]

Always trying to win instead of searching for the truth..

[@glennjohn3919]

Because he can talk faster than 99% of people.

[@Jack-zk6yt]

​@glennjohn3919 same argument tactic as Ben shapiro. Very annoying.

[@AreJay_]

because he is considered a moderate liberal compared to the liberal whack-jobs out there

[@HudsonValleyPlanet]

I would disagree. Peterson interrupted him several times. And for some inexplicable reason Peterson keeps denying the science that experts in the field put forward.

[@JamesEhler]

Destiny thinking, "What does "externalities" mean?"

[@AIenSmithee]

Externalities might seem like a big word but a lot of people know what that means and I can assure you destiny definitely does….did you?

[@bonnieberesford9800]

Externalities are outside phenomena like CO2 that have an effect on a process, like climate. Other externalities that affect climate are the sun, the clouds, the ocean currents, El Nino/La Nina, even other planets and their graviational pulls can affect us. This is why a focus on CO2 is not just w false diversion, it is ignorant and profoundly unscientific.

[@AIenSmithee]

@@bonnieberesford9800 says who? You know that everyone can see that you are just repeating Peterson verbatim as if it were your own opinion right?

[@seanlee4672]

you clearly didn't listen to the full debate

[@heythere9371]

Climate change denial = Flat Earth, same IQ required to believe both

[@johnl5316]

CO2 has reached its "saturation point", meaning that any more of it cannot notably affect temperature. See Princeton Prof William Happer on this

[@ShakeITyEA]

cool, except it is in direct contradiction with the the continous warming and heat records we see to this day, and the unexpected developments all aroudn the world such as unexpected record glacier melting.

[@chrisdistant9040]

Yes, just like after putting on a sweater, putting on more sweaters isn’t going to make you any warmer. 🤡

[@chrisdistant9040]

We measure CO2 in parts per million. But as you intelligently point out, anyone knows that numbers don’t get much higher than 0.0004

[@william14able]

No, it hasn't

[@jkkk5018]

The truly worrying aspect about this video is that viewers somehow think who ever won that debate is right about climate change

[@craighoward7716]

One of the problems with his statement about record high temps the last 5 years is they are cherry picking the high temps, and ignoring the low temps! You must have a disinterested third party examining the highs and lows and not cherry picking to reinforce a narrative that they want to manipulate for their political power!

[@loringjohnson7797]

Funny that the temperatures last summer were "record highs" and yet I used my air conditioner less than I had in the last 15 years.

[@russtang24]

The other thing they do is conflate record high temps with the hot getting hotter rather than the cold getting milder as is really the case. That way they can get away with saying things like “hottest” January on record when it’s nothing of the sort

[@JMBeaushriimp]

There is no such thing as an "average global temperature"...

[@dfyt9179]

@craighoward7716 I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know - how/in what way are they cherry picking high temps?

[@campland2880]

@@loringjohnson7797 Last year was one of our coolest on record, and the most moisture on record! Destertification use to be their scare tactic. f'in rubbish.

[@gospel120]

According to Noah, a seven day weather forecast is inaccurate 20% of the time. A 10 day forecast is an inaccurate 50% of the time. How many times have you personally experienced an inaccurate weather report the next day? How can they claim to predict whether 100 years from now and people actually believe that?

[@evbbjones7]

Averaged out, your day to day weather forecast is slightly better than flipping a coin. Besides, it's been declared by the 'experts' that meteorologists aren't 'experts'. Only theoretical physicists are experts on weather and climactic trends!

[@gospel120]

⁠ climatologist are no better at predicting future models. They said that the glaciers would be gone by the year 2000. But they are not. In 2013 Lake superior froze for the first time in decades. Just a few average days warmer doesn’t mean the world is coming to an end. I do not wish to debate nor to put anyone down. It’s just simple fact.

[@gospel120]

Excellent response. I totally agree with what you’re saying. To do those measurements there must be set parameters. And the accuracy of the outcome would depend on the set parameters. Weather is not like that. Weather is continually changing its parameters. One of the major shifts and weather throughout history has been caused by volcanic eruptions. Massive eruptions have actually plunged the temperatures into 18 months of winter like weather. This is happened twice in written history. Just a small release of volcanic ash and gases exceeded the amount of carbon that humans have produced in their entire existence. I totally concur with the fact that we do not have winters like we used to have when I was young. However, the changes that are proposed to be made to reduce carbon emissions are plunging people into poverty and food deprivation. I think certainly in the near future, we will find a fuel source that far exceeds oil in economic value and renewability. I think patience with vigorous research for new technology at this point, is the best option.

[@dragons_red]

To be fair, as any climate "scientist" will tell you, climate is not the same as weather. If you compare it to the stock market, weather is like the daily reports where things go up and down, much more volatile in that scope, where climate would be the 10, 20, 30 year overall trend of the market, so it's not useful to equate the 2. Having said that, they are still wrong about their climate predictions because, unlike the markets where you are either going up or down, climate has many variables that are trending and they all influence each other. It's a FAR more complex problem.

[@evbbjones7]

@@ruan614 Absolutely correct. But also, your dice roll has parameters that can be measured. The options are 1-6. Trying to predict the chaotic nature of the climate future in 100 years is like setting the parameters at 1-b. We don't know what we don't know about the climate, we don't even know what we actually know. It's literally like trying to predict what a flowing river will look like 30 seconds from now down to the ripple; fluid dynamics. Cheers!

[@PoetryInMotion52]

This guy trying to debate Jordan is like a child attempting to debate the parent on the reasoning he/she believes having cupcakes for dinner is reasonable.

[@heythere9371]

Climate change is science. Jordan Peterson hates science (and poor people)

[@kablammy7]

thank you for that reminder - i knew there was something familiar with that knucklehead's behavior - i had 7 kids and now you know, how i know, that you know what you are talking about ( i just looked at your yewspewed tag -> ) and now i know that you were referring to my commentary style, when you gave yourself that tag name - i can give you an example ( this was a real life event - it is not fabrication ) : parent -> have you ever heard of blank blank or blah blah ? child -> i don't know - i just don' t know - i might have heard it while i was doing something else and i didn't know i heard it - so the answer is i don't know if i heard it before ... sounds like a case of GA DA FW syndrome - think of state name - judicial system official - first and last initials

[@Xakanis]

Only morons think this, based on pre-existing prejudice and preconceived notions of someone.

[@Starlight_Akira]

Why is having cupcakes for dinner not reasonable?

[@iconocast]

destiny is to young. give him till he 40 then he will have some interesting takes.

[@kylepatrick113]

I enjoy Jordan Peterson I will also say that’s a bright young man and these are the kind of discussions that need to happen. Very important

[@SkitzoBenjamin]

Not a bright young man, you should look into him. You will be very disappointed.

[@GBsavant]

@@SkitzoBenjaminobjectively, regardless of your personal thoughts of him or ideology, he’s a bright guy. He’s better to be the front for the “left” vs the people debating until now. He’s no Michael Erik Dyson, who isn’t stupid either, but what communists called useful idiots.

[@williamanthony915]

@@GBsavant He's never said a single interesting thing in his entire life. I also doubt he's ever read an economics book. Everything he says comes off as someone who's never looked at economic history in his entire life.

[@GBsavant]

@@williamanthony915 never mind, he’s lost his mind with the assassination stuff. I do think he’s not dumb and is able to have good convos but this recent thing has taken him to a dangerous place

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Destiny isn't stupid, but he's a selfish sociopath who laughed about a firefighter who died protecting his wife and children.

[@Michaelno]

It's clear to me after watching this interview, that Destiny has his mind set on a lot of this and he will not stray from what he's told by the mainstream. Thinking for himself is what he apparently does, so I'm quite confused.

[@chrisdrakes2332]

Depends what you mean by the mainstream. The current "mainstream" is western governments backed by the best universities in the world. Do you honestly think JP or anyone else is more intelligent than all of those educational and government systems? These guys do it day in, day out. Unlike JP who has an interest and 7 different business ventures ongoing as well as tour. Im inclined to trust 99% of western universities and the consensus of western governments over Jordan and yourself. Jordans talking points and arguments pick holes, which are accurate and need to be considered. But right now this is the best we have. And we have to do something otherwise as a race we're going to experience the mass starvation of billions of people.

[@Michaelno]

@@chrisdrakes2332 do i think he's more intelligent? no. I think he brings up really obvious points that are completely overlooked by a person who was sold a narrative and will not sway from it. A strong narrative that seems to be defended, even though it makes no sense.

[@chrisdrakes2332]

@@Michaelno You're basically saying that the mainstreams narrative makes no sense. So you do disagree with western governments and universities consensus? Brave.

[@Michaelno]

@@chrisdrakes2332 are you being sarcastic? i cannot tell. but i'll say this. i dont care about being brave. only pointing out the obvious. if you want to buy what this man is selling, that's fine. I disagree, i also think he's a hypocrite, and his opinion is pretty garbage.

[@erictheguapo]

​@@chrisdrakes2332First off, appealing to authority is a terrible argument because authorities disagree and have infighting all the time. We wittnessed this not long ago with the pandemic. They literally silenced and shut down experts who stated things that were not part of the mainstream consensus...and then changed their position not to long after. JP has made more coherent arguments than any mainstream climate scientist or climate activist has ever said. That is why I believe him over others in this subject.

[@seektruth581]

Canada produces around 1% of the world’s carbon emissions and we are being hit hard by the carbon tax. They don’t measure how much the carbon tax has made a difference. It’s crazy!

[@rickdelve]

Canada produces, the last time I looked, 1.6% of global carbon emissions. However, with our Boreal forests and immense treed landscapes, we sequester carbon at 10 time the rate we produce it. So by that rate, the rest of the world should be paying us a carbon tax for all our country does....

[@seektruth581]

@@rickdelve also if our government did everything they could it would have no impact.

[@nicolamustard7232]

But, yet Trud-o is increasing the carbon tax by 23% starting April 1 across Canada 🇨🇦. Yah, now! When Canadians are all facing increasing difficulties affording basic food and housing. Over 2,000,000 Canadians are using food banks every month now (our population is less than 40,000,000) and we are facing a major housing crisis. And Trud-o is increasing the tax on food, heating, and fuel... now! All under the guise of saving the planet. He's mind-blowingly stupid, inept and he's destroying Canada 😢

[@zoravursingh5617]

and we are 0.5% of the world's population.

[@seektruth581]

@@zoravursingh5617we are being screwed by our leaders. We have so much resources but we are paying up the ass.

[@sweatshirty]

when youtube tells me “context” i know that it’s important that the truth is whatever the opposite of the youtubes context is

[@KroryykDB]

And the "context" is totally false, humanity is NOT the reason why the climate has changed (if it even has, it's very debatable). The climate has been very cold and also very warm throughout human history way way before the evil burning of fossil fuels/gas/whatever. People don't seem to realize just how little CO2 we actually have in our atmosphere.

[@stepheni5783]

I'm truly shocked that there are still people denying the correlation between carbon emissions and rapidly rising temperatures. What year is this??

[@thisguy4911]

Correlation and causation are 2 different things.

[@stepheni5783]

@thisguy4911 Apply common sense too. Everyone expects temps to rise when you dig up all the carbon and burn it.

[@thisguy4911]

@@stepheni5783 who is everyone

[@thisguy4911]

@@stepheni5783 not everyone

[@hectorrubio4631]

​@@thisguy4911 be more stupid. Nobody should ever prevent you from achieving your dreams.

[@Gruff338]

This note is a sickening reminder of how far we’ve fallen

[@andysorensen3474]

"Hottest years on record" are a modelling and measurement error. Urban expansion into static measurement locations are showing the temperature increase related to the geographic growth and expansion of cities over the past century.

[@campland2880]

100%

[@christophertaylor9100]

Its not an error. They are doing it on purpose. The weather stations are almost all poorly placed, and they adjust the well placed ones to be more like the poorly placed ones. Its deliberate. They have been caught repeatedly doctoring old data to make it fit their models better.

[@chrisdistant9040]

Brilliant! You should get into climate science and show them how to utterly embarrass yourself because you have no clue what you are talking about and they are experts.

[@andysorensen3474]

pfft, good one@@chrisdistant9040

[@andysorensen3474]

How about speaking to the point instead of relying on ad hominem attacks. Can you provide evidence that the statistical base has been sufficiently adjusted to account for urban growth and the the concomitant growth of heat islands that encompass the measurement points? @@chrisdistant9040

[@AithenTheJokerr]

Wiped the floor with his smug ass. 😂

[@william14able]

he didn't

[@SammyFuqU]

@@william14ablehe did. Turn your brain on. He backed him into a corner at every turn. He tried to dodge questions by changing subjects or the focus and it didn’t work.

[@william14able]

@@SammyFuqU referring back to your tautology isn't backing someone into a corner. lol. CO2 retains more heat. "How do you know? have you seen an atom? lol! I win." well. we can measure it. "But you can't measure it down to an acceptable level of precision!!!". Well. I mean, its close enough to make predictions on and model. "NO I don't agree that it's precise enough. We can't act on the models because they're based on imprecise measurements! See even you have to constantly update them when you get more measurements". Um. Okay? That is kind of how the scientific process works. I don't exactly know what you want. It's impossible to satisfy the constantly moving goal posts. "See! you're captured by the scientific cadre! You BELIEVE it to be true, which sounds an awful lot like a religiously held belief" Sounds good, but this isn't the sick burn you think it is.

[@jenniek8391]

No, he hysterically interrupted instead of listening calmly and giving thoughtful responses. Peterson is an emotional manchild who is probably experiencing brain damage from his benzo addiction and subsequent coma.

[@SammyFuqU]

And yet while numbing his brain with benzos, he's still more educated, qualified, intelligent, and successful than you can be. Imagine thinking you know more than someone who not only has a doctorate in their field but also has done specific postdoc research into what you're talking about. LMAO @@jenniek8391

[@ukaszszpala7030]

There is no cheap energy. It seemed cheap for a while. We thought in our collective stupidity or our willful ignorance so to say ;) we can internalize profits from it, while externalizing costs to the environment. But it turned out that we can't, not in a long run at this scale. We've reached planetary boundaries.

[@darrenw6982]

JP won hands down. The other guy was all over the place with his 'argument'.

[@darthnocturnis3941]

@MorganLewis-lz1eeI'm sorry, but this assertion is absurdity.

[@darthnocturnis3941]

@MorganLewis-lz1eeAssuming someone who doesn't hold a title in a particular field is incapable of understanding is not only absurdity, but an arrogant logical fallacy.

[@ulyx9804]

@MorganLewis-lz1ee Psychologists are TRAINED SCIENTISTS. What you learn in school is how to read academic papers, and the scientific methods of measurement and analysis. The use of science is in creating models of predictive capability. The better your model, the more you understand a study. Law of general relativity helps us predict the distances between ourselves and distant objects to such a high degree that we can map the patterns of solar eclipses and the precise path of the moon's shadow over a 5,000 year time-span, which corresponds EXACTLY with past historical events and writings that notated the phenomena. That's an accurate model. Not being able to predict the climate within ONE SINGLE YEAR, is a terrible model. We need stronger models of predictive capability before we can begin making the futures of every life on the planet dependent upon relying on them.

[@Jonathan-ih7qp]

You can't assess climate impacts only from the beginning of the industrial revolution and think you're assessing anything about climate impact at all. If you're not looking at what happened before that as well (and for significant timeframes at that), then you're not even beginning to understand what is actually happening at all.@MorganLewis-lz1ee

[@evbbjones7]

@MorganLewis-lz1ee Ok, assess the climate impacts of the industrial revolution. Assert they're disastrous.. compared to what? The rest of the climactic timeline? Because that is demonstrably false.

[@wtutt6810]

God bless you Dr. Peterson!

[@CarliMichelle]

This part was so good, was so satisfying to see somebody finally pin Destiny down where he usually manages to wiggle free

[@Baker68]

Exactly, he’s so annoying

[@ShakeITyEA]

destiny had immensely poor arguments and facts to present to this debate, but that does not mean Peterson is right about climate change (he is not)

[@semperick]

@@ShakeITyEA tell us why instead of just saying he's wrong buddy. He made some damn good points and Destiny replied with a bunch of logical fallacies lol

[@ShakeITyEA]

@@semperick really, destiny did a poor job and I dont care about this debate. but as far as climate change goes, Peterson simply ignores a large swathe of evidence. both co2 in the atmosphere and temperatures have been linked and can be traced back millions of years. temperatures reach record highs regularly for the past few years, but prior to industrialization, all temperature records hint that we were in a cooling period. there is also a conflict of interest with an organisation he himself created - its sponsored by fossil fuel investors and saudis. LMAO. if you want to know anything, ask a specific question.

[@ShakeITyEA]

@@semperick to add, Peterson also refused to aknowledge the "hockey stick", because it is getting "sued" or whatever. purely nonsensical take, several different organisations have done nearly identical measurements that look like a hockey stick when graphed.

[@paulsacramento5995]

No one 50 years ago could predict the economic impact of what is going on NOW, even in 2000. 40 years ago there were predictions of a new ice age.

[@brucemctavish408]

Good grief! The planet is 4.5 billion years old........we are a mere speck in time.

[@ShakeITyEA]

good grief, why is that relevant whatsoever? the planet also never had a species that grew to dominate and completely reshape the planet within 100 years of industrialization.

[@revorocks123]

We are the only intelligent life we know to exist that is capable of space travel. Whilst the human race may be insignificant in terms of cosmological timescales, we are still something to be cherished. The universe can exist for billions and billions of years but if there is nothing there to explore and appreciate it then that is a great shame.

[@ShakeITyEA]

@@revorocks123 what is ur point? lol. space travel is completely irrelevant if earth cant solve its political and otherwise problems. it should be absolutely lowest on our agenda.

[@ShakeITyEA]

@@revorocks123 what is ur point? we arent even capable of fixing our own world, let alone find and inhabit another one. space travel should be the absolute lowest priority for a world that is in flames.

[@hamster4618]

Indeed. And many of us hope our children will make that tiny speck into a dot, while others want their hedonistic lifestyles to continue, damned the future generations.

[@frankzappa9853]

I remember Obama running for office and he was very much on the side of worrying about climate change, now he has multiple mansions worth close to 50 million just for the houses right on the beach. Clearly he is not worried about sea levels raising and until that changes I'm not either.

[@dirt_mcgirk]

​@gerardgauthier4876 and Obama still has those mansions.

[@deeveevideos]

​@@gerardgauthier4876 it's the sea rising or is the ground sinking?

[@Michael-yx2un]

Also a simple Google would show that the sea levels have been rising we've been measuring and its very linear. Let me ask you, what was our carbon output way back then? Why was the sea rising at about the same rate today when our carbon output is many orders of magnitude higher in recent years than it was back in the 1800s?

[@frankzappa9853]

@@Michael-yx2un and Obama still has his mansions doesn't he, oh and so does Biden, and Pelosi and on and on and on it goes.

[@frankzappa9853]

@@Michael-yx2un I do think its cute how your all "I know more then Obama does because of a simple google search" you know he had NASA working for him right? and the EPA as well and the lord only knows what else classified materials he had access too and after he left office he's so convinced that climate change is a nothing burger he literally lives right next to the ocean. But yeah believe google because they wouldn't lie to you now would they.

[@tempowars534]

Why are people giving this dude a platform... a grown man who calls himself destiny and loves Biden 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@minnieheff]

It’s good to have a debate like this. Make me realize how leftist is full of nonsense snd merely based on their tyrannical ideology, fake compassion for the poor, and decieved by money and power. Science is not on their back!

[@masterbaraman9372]

I find it weird, too. I guess getting enough traffic will get anyone a platform.

[@PepsiFuture]

It’s mostly teenagers

[@masterbaraman9372]

@@PepsiFuture That just makes it worse.

[@ollicron7397]

He gave himself a woman's name.

[@williammcknight5419]

I'll start caring about climate change when we stop all the weather manipulation that we are doing on a daily basis all over the country.

[@christophersnedeker]

What?

[@TommorowISNAP]

​@@christophersnedekerThis guy read about the HAARP machine, some conspiracy theory from back when conspiracy theories were still fun and not so serious :P

[@CotyDinsen]

First off, what in the fuck does one have to do with the other? Secondly, Is your tinfoil hat on a little too tight? Yes, there is such thing as Weather modification or manipulation. However, you're not only making it sound like what it's being used for is a bad thing, but also like you're somehow personally being affected by it. Which we both know is absolute bullshit. Now, historically, weather modification has been used in warfare as a tactic to provoke damaging weather against an enemy. However, weather modification in warfare has been banned by the united nations. Now, as far as what it's used for today. The most common type of weather modification today is cloud seeding, which is a unarguably helpful process that basically increases rainfall or snowfall which in turn helps to raise the local water level. So in the end, again, I don't even remotely see how any part of weather modification would or could play a factor in you caring about climate change. It's just straight up nonsensical. Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. I'd love to hear your explanation. Sincerely.

[@Adam-mj5hl]

Well it’s a good thing you’re not in charge of the nation’s environmental and energy policies. I think I’d rather trust the opinions of 99% of the world’s climate scientists.

[@williammcknight5419]

@@CotyDinsen what chemicals do they use to seed clouds? What application is used to apply those chemicals?

[@guttydozen]

When CO2 goes up, vegetation growth increases

[@zackr.7628]

And so does the average temperature. And forest fires. And droughts.

[@guttydozen]

@@zackr.7628 How? Explain.

[@gbear34]

@@zackr.7628 Forest fires are largely increasing in frequency due to misguided forest conservation efforts of the last 70 years.

[@m0rt_s3c24]

​@@guttydozen Well ig we all studied Algebric mean in high school right, average temperature rise is similar a 1 or 2 degree rise in global average temperature means anomalies in local bio spheres, so some places might be facing crazy hot temperature and some on the other hands might be seeing sudden drop in temperature. Now u might ask why does it even matter, well for that understand if climate changes so rapidly all the existence process around food agriculture and bio diversity would undergo rapid changes that civilisation won't be about to adapt or evolve, hence might undergo complete extinction. Climate change is a common phenomenon for planets to undergo but with this much catalyst it would be hard to adapt accordingly. We can talk about nuances of it but ig Yt comments is not the place lol. Btw I don't understand why Peterson refuses to accept the major changes start happening after the industrialation like that's is so obvious plus backed up

[@commandbrawler9348]

@@gbear34 not true, forest fires dont happen spontainously in most cases. fire needs fuel, oxygen and a spark to ignite. so most forest fires get started by pyromaniacs (humans)

[@genericwatcher2439]

We have carbon capture machines, we have technology that cleans water, we have so much technology and technology in the future that isn't even invented yet. So I am very confident we will be okay no matter what.

[@jackdeniston6150]

We dont have to do anything different at all. The population WILL plummet, Using accurate genuine models, not wild guesses. This plummet means .......climate change is a blip.

[@michellewentworth9862]

Green Energy? In what world are solar and wind power green energy? The machines that harness solar and wind produce barely enough useful energy return on energy invested to produce any energy at all.

[@1stdebunker]

Smart. Keep using your brain and morals and you'll save your spirit from this madness

[@rustyfeatherstone93]

Tell me you know nothing about renewable energy without telling me you know nothing about renewable energy.

[@campland2880]

Ha, precisely. And the dmage they do to the environment can be devastating. Lunacy

[@rustyfeatherstone93]

@@campland2880 please explain the devastating damage they do to the environment? Please be specific.

[@HAC88224]

In South Africa, the government fails to produce enough electricity for the entire country. Thus everyone takes turns using it in a process called "Loadshedding". Obviously people aren't happy with this and thus many people have invested in their own power production, the favoured being solar due to our agreeable weather year round. Over the past few years solar grew to account for about 6.2 gigawatts of power. In summary. Renewable energy now powers the equivalent of several power stations and is pretty much the sole reason our grid hasn't completely collapsed. So in other words, solar CAN and DOES produce enough energy not only to pay for itself but to help keep an entire electrical grid online when only used on the residential level.

[@marktydlacka6541]

It's all about power and money. None of it is about climate and poverty. Those in true control want more for themselves.

[@wabisabi3619]

Climate change as ‘debate’ as it is misses the mark entirely. It’s politics an and ideology. The true issue is adaptability. Climate changes, and the reasons do not matter. We can not control it. It’s foolish to think we can and it’s foolish to expect that it won’t ever change. All we can hope to do is as our ancestors did, which is adapt, use our large brains to continue thriving on this planet. You can’t tax your way to a stable climate that won’t ever change. If I learned one thing from covid, it’s that a good crisis is never lain to waste. There are those who use crisis, real or imagined, to further their power, goals and agendas. I fear this more than I do a change in climate.

[@1Dubbelman]

Jordan Peterson doesn't believe in Climate Change, but Climate Change is 19th century science that was discovered and essentially proven in the 1960s. Most of the projections of climate scientists are starting to come true. His idea that a carbon tax will hit poor people too much is fair. But I think they don't want to tax poor people directly, they want to tax the companies that pollute more than might be needed. They're trying to direct companies to attempt to use more sustainable means of generating energy. And though JP might not like it, oil will get more and more expensive to mine and was never the most efficient form of energy available. The reason we use so much oil is not because it's some miracle energy source, it's simply because sooo many of our machines and energy infrastructure runs on it. When you take oil out of the ground, then transport and then burn it for energy you get only about a 10% netto energy increase. You waste 90% of the energy to get 100% of the oil. This will only get worse because oil needs to be dug up from deeper and deeper into the ground, which is both costly in terms of financial investment and energy. So Jordan Peterson's notion that transitioning away from fossil fuels is to the detriment of the poor because it will make energy more expensive is not realistic, it can actually make energy cheaper because far less energy has to be wasted to obtain the energy (through solar, wind, water, nuclear and biofuels). The main point that reaallly undercuts Jordan's argument is: Poor people are disproportionately affected by climate change, yet contribute the least to it. So there's this notion that the poor people somehow need climate change to live well... NO, rich people need the systems that have caused climate change far more than poor people and they can protect themselves the best from the consequences. The floods in Pakistan, the desertification in Africa, the massive forrest fires in poor rural areas all over the world. The richest people have contributed to these problems the most while suffering the least, except for their beachside mansions being swepped away in the next decades. So this sort of we're making poor people sacrifice more for climate adaptation and mitigation policy than they'll get out of it is wrong on every level. Poor people will be hurt the most by climate change, rich people and giant corporation will have to invest the most for climate policy. They're not worried about the poor people, they're worried about the margin of profits they'll be getting if they're forced to adapt.

[@1Dubbelman]

The impact humans have had on the global climate has literally altered the time it will take for the next glacial period to kick in, we are actively shaping the future of the world. Without humans the climate would not be changing at the speed it's doing now. This is not up for debate, this is pure fact based science. I've researched this for multiple NGO's and for my Master's degree. Everyone agrees but it's simply not convenient for the Status Quo to tell the truth so they send footsoldiers like JP out to confuse you about the reality happening before your very eyes.

[@ralphmartinez8616]

Destiny?! His name is destiny??!! Lol

[@daniel29263]

You don't like his stripper name? 🤣

[@Baker68]

It’s a horrible name but he is an absolute a hole

[@lain5858]

Its a girl name

[@shootist279]

@@lain5858it’s a dumb name.

[@j.lachica8555]

What are his pronouns?😂😂 😂

[@kagato0987]

I love how Destiny uses 5 years worth of cherry picked data as a basis for his arguments, but conveniently fails to acknowledge that a couple decades ago, scientist were telling us we would be living in a new ice age about now.

[@visualclarity7955]

Scientists weren't telling anyone that. Some news outlets misconstrued scientific papers and told people that, which was not at all endorsed by scientists at the time.

[@pawelzabicki7785]

Come on, Jordan is the one who is cherry picking, it’s view point is ridiculous.

[@adrianam3608]

Surely the next question is “since cheap energy helps the poor how do we work towards a cheap and clean form of energy” think tank THAT y’know?

[@CristinaSofia4]

The climate problem is absolutely an economic issue.. the economy at local and world level is directly impacted by people living in poverty.. its effects on health.. education..inability to contribute to a better society while in survival mode…and of course who can afford to line the pockets of the high street retailers when we are all deciding wether to “heat or eat”…and how anyone could agree with an environmental model 100 years into the future at this point in world history is madness.

[@dwainmcbain5263]

The problem is there are too many of these high intellect type’s running around with no idea what they’re doing but they’ve convinced themselves through their own intelligence they are right.

[@hedonismbot3274]

They are in charge of all institutions basically. Telling us what is good and right for us. In their distorted, egocentric view.

[@davidwellmann4985]

Good thing we have Dwain McBain a scholar in everything that knows exactly all the science through his sheer ignorance of anything. Brilliant

[@dwainmcbain5263]

@@davidwellmann4985 I’m not a scholar, why would you call , me a scholar for expressing my opinion in a comment section; Pretty fragile there David.

[@davidwellmann4985]

@dwainmcbain5263 because you seem to have made a pretty decent study about these high intellect types like Peterson for example and your results seem to show that they have no idea what they are doing

[@dwainmcbain5263]

@@davidwellmann4985 my results? 😆 I’m not referring to JP as he is clearly experienced with more than an idea. I get the feeling you’re just looking to rip on someone, glad I could help you out. Have a nice day.😃

[@ancalagonyt]

On predicting outcomes 100 years in the future, we have an interesting benchmark. In 1900, a magazine asked a number of scientists and other experts to make predictions for the far off year of 2000. And they did. Their predictions were fascinating. Most of them were laughably far off. Occasionally, they'd get something sort of right, but kinda not. One of the most memorable was the prediction that wars of the future would be fought by gigantic balloons in the sky, which belched massive clouds of smoke to hide their position. They also predicted that we would be growing massively large fruits and vegetables, and that we'd distribute them from supermarkets to homes through a complex system of pneumatic tubes. As Yogi Berra said, "Predictions are hard, especially about the future."

[@analoguejerry9066]

A few weeks before the Wright brothers flew their plane the New York Times published an article saying that according to scientists it'll take humanity a million years to build flying machines.

[@Hat_Uncle]

so, ignorance of scientific testing, using logical fallacy, falling prey to confirmation bias, and cherry-picking data points are considered "Good Debating" these days? Sad.

[@ollicron7397]

You dont need scientifically testing for everything.

[@FrznFngrs]

Jordon is on an entirely different level than this guy. I am surprised this took place.

[@FrznFngrs]

In fact why does anyone even pay attention to "destiny" anyway?

[@hamster4618]

Really? Because he didn’t go into anything much. He pretended the hockey stick is the only model ever made. It’s not. He pretended the hockey stick guy was taken to court by the statistician. He was not. The hockey stick guy took the statistician to court for defamation. And the hockey stick guy won. Information on climate is known. Some 140,000 years, in Europe, there was an icecap all the way to the Netherlands. Sea levels were some 120 meters below the current levels. Shortly after temperatures rose, then a new ice age started which lasted some 100,000 years. Then 18,000 a rapid change to the warmer times we live in now started. And now we see a new rise, which (most) scientists researching it, acclaim to human activity. Could be, could not be. However, I wouldn’t be surprised as we impact EVERYTHING else. We see our impact in the oceans, with plastic soup littering the depths we can’t even reach, we can cause earthquakes, increase the effects of hurricanes, soil depletion, hole in ozone layer (now recovered), erosion, soil pollution and we’ve even managed to leave our trash in outer space.

[@fwabble]

I can't even fathom people are this delusional... I am so grateful for JP, a great mind we desperately need in these clownish times

[@visualclarity7955]

Honestly I thought he was the delusional one

[@ChristianMartinez-mz6nv]

Get em Doc 😆 they both say their sides , Intensity is a necessity in conversation and it’s special to see even through a third perspective

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

well he's not a doctor

[@NISasquatch]

@@opensocietyenjoyerhow stupid are you?

[@limitisillusion7]

This entire debate in this clip would be remedied by Dr. Zach Bush who would describe the actual reason the temperatures are rising. In short, it's not the carbon in the air. More carbon creates a higher potential for biodiversity and "greening" of the planet. The real problem is our farming methods. The herbicides, pesticides, over-tilling, and mono-cropping has destroyed the soil microbiome. That means all the microbes that were traditionally in the soil to absorb the carbon are dead. The factory farms and our uniform grass lawns are responsible for this. That microbiome served as a crucial part of the food web that helps develop the nutrients that the crops need to grow. Without that microbiome, we have to use all kinds of fertilizers just to get the crops to resemble crops. But even if they look healthy, they do not have the same micronutrient profile that organic, regenerative farming produces. If our food is deficient in micronutrients, then _we_ are deficient in micronutrients, and that is the real cause of the chronic disease epidemic. Beyond that though, micronutrient deficiencies sends us into a scarcity mindset whether we know it or not... basically a fight or flight mode in response to fear of scarcity. This dictates the entire structure of society. Unhealthy, fearful bodies and minds mean unhealthy socioeconomic structures. Instead of feeling safe and secure with a steady stream of income, we decide we need heinous excess to insulate ourselves from the woes of poverty. But that excess causes more scarcity elsewhere in the economy, and eventually the people living with that scarcity blame their problems on someone else. Who? Well, whoever they are led to believe is to blame. Maybe they blame wealthy people. Maybe they blame another nation. Maybe they blame their cultural opposition. All of this finger-pointing leads to a vicious cycle of greed that creates more scarcity, division, war, and fear. We now have entire media conglomerates dependent on fear propagation of their respective cultural or national opposition. But in reality, it all started with the soil! We have disconnected ourselves from the nature we evolved with, and it's destroying our health and infecting our socioeconomic structure. We need to shift the blame to our soil, and every single person has the capacity to help fix the problem. We can treat symptoms or we can treat underlying catalysts. If you had a leak in your roof, you wouldn't fix the drywall before fixing the shingles, right? Why would be meddle around with carbon credits and more fear propagation? Here's what you can do: -Prioritize locally-grown organic food to increase the efficiency of production and drive prices down -Grow a garden -Support regenerative farming practices in any other way you can If you don't have money, here's what you can do: -Prioritize politicians in the voting booth that put the environment first, not via carbon credits, but by *regenerative farming* policy -Literally plant seeds anywhere you can... In parks, along bike trails, etc. You don't need organic seeds, we just needs seeds planted in places without pesticides/herbicides/overtilling. -Spend time in nature... It's not just the food you eat that matters, but everything that goes into your body, including the air you breathe and the things you touch. Polluted concrete jungles, sanitized surfaces, and drywall enclosures don't expose your immune system to the nature you evolved in. -Diversify your sources of information to include the nuanced narratives between the extreme ends of any spectrum. That nuance is akin to micronutrients. The mainstream media narratives are akin to processed food. Those mainstream narratives are effectively processed information created by people eating processed food. There are a lot of macronutrients in processed food but few micronutrients. The micronutrients help your body efficiently process the macronutrients to improve your health, just like the nuanced narratives help the extreme narratives communicate with each other effectively to solve socioeconomic problems. These analogies are more true than you may give them credit for.... Above all though, eat healthier and exercise. You don't have to buy organic food right away if you can't afford it. You don't have to be a body builder or a marathon runner. Find a way to make exercise enjoyable. Make slow changes to your nutrition if adding new foods bothers you. Focus on diversity rather than single "superfoods." Your dinner plate should resemble a rainbow. As you get healthier your mind will literally seek more diverse sources of information and you will leave behind the divisive fear propaganda, and our socioeconomic structures will improve in lockstep with our physical and mental health. "We are what we eat." Give love to the soil, and the soil will love you back in ways you might not be able to imagine.

[@trevorrowell9451]

Superbly well summarised. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. A voice in the wilderness but even a single voice gives me hope. Thank you for making the effort - it is appreciated.

[@Chris-ro7mn]

In the jurrasic era there was around 8000 parts per million of atmospheric carbon dioxide, now there is around 400. As for record temperatures we started measuring at The end of "the small ice age" in the 1800's so of course there are "record tempratures" now. This stuff is dumb as fuck.

[@HSuper_Lee]

And even then, I've heard that there's a massive discrepancy between satellite data and temperature collection stations, where the collection stations are built in some of the hottest places on Earth and are extremely vulnerable to climactic swings, whereas the satellite data measure heat emitting from the earth shows an increase that is radically smaller.

[@Chris-ro7mn]

@@HSuper_Lee bro they put some of The equipment in a volcanoe 😂 Also they started measuring at ground level instead of 2 metres above ground a few years ago. They admitted it on National tv recently. It is of course hotter on asphalt then 2 metres above... Its an obvious hoax. Gretas Thunbergs father, Svante Thunberg, works for the swedish deep state bankers who control power supply in 150+ countries, mineral mines and battery production 🥴 And her handle, who claims to have randomly found her protesting is her parents friend Ingemar Rentzhog.

[@PepsiFuture]

Yea but in the Jurassic era people didn’t live on the coast

[@Chris-ro7mn]

@@PepsiFuture why do banks and rich people keep incesting in beach front property you think? Not a single private investmentbolag has taken any sea level rise into account. Plymouth rock is still at sea level, at The waters edge. And now they are finding settlements under The melting glaciers. All very strange 😂

[@MarekzAnglii]

A few weeks ago, front page news articles in the UK, reported about the poor skiing conditions in the Alps, due to a lack of adequate snow cover - as a result of man-made climate change of course. But recently after huge snowfalls and fantastic skiing conditions....................... CRICKETS!

[@HouseParty13]

That's my favorite when it's unseasonably warm for a few weeks you hear people make those comments. I'm just thinking to my self I've heard that same comment every other year for my whole life. Maybe the seasons are always just different 🤔which is the absolute truth.

[@emalek8290]

Why are arctic ice cover and glaciers in decline?

[@HouseParty13]

​@@emalek8290 the decline started 10,000-13,000 years ago. Must have been the oil industry

[@emalek8290]

@@HouseParty13 Go look at the precipitous decline of arctic ice that has co-occured with carbon dioxide concentrations. It's not that hard to understand 🤣

[@KroryykDB]

Because it's all a scam. This climate hysteria is just that, hysteria.

[@aj20100608]

Destiny didn’t understand anything Jordan said.

[@boertush]

He did, that's why he got quiet during the last few minutes

[@GraysonGitchell]

It was verbal diarrhea at the end and scientific illiteracy.

[@rossmanmagnus]

wow what a world u live in 😂

[@CancelHappiness]

​@@rossmanmagnusimagine unironically being a destiny fan. So embarrassing.

[@rossmanmagnus]

​@@CancelHappiness ikr wish i was a peterson fan. his verbal flatulence would sound so profound

[@scottkidder9046]

I’m following Jordan’s argument about the economy. In fact I can even sympathize with the idea that climate models have huge error bars, so we really don’t know exactly what the climate will look like in 100 years, and we certainly don’t know what the economic landscape will look like in 100 years or even 10 years for that matter. But my God, saying that ocean temperatures and average surface temperature aren’t data, but guesses??? How the hell do you call yourself an intellectual when you don’t consider a thermometer to be a valid measuring instrument to determine temperature? How do you not understand that a change in temperature that normally takes 100,000 years to happen is happening in 100 years is a good indication that something artificial is affecting the climate? How do you not understand that CO2 is produced by pretty much every major industrial process we use as humans including agriculture and transportation? How do you not believe that we can go out there with a measuring device and measure the average CO2 in the atmosphere? That part isn’t guesswork. The measurements we are taking are not guesses. The historical measurements are not guesses. Even on a year to year basis, we are seeing changes in climate that we’ve never seen before. Ice is melting differently in glaciers. These are simply observations. Jordan loses me because I think he’s convinced that this is just a ideological lie and some psychological disorder or something. I mean I get it, he’s gonna see the world that way. You can argue about the economics or the policies or the way it’s presented in media, but you absolutely cannot argue with pure data. Even in the short term, the data are presenting a clear pattern. Even if the models aren’t very good, things aren’t looking good when compared to our understanding of how the climate has naturally fluctuated over long time periods. Jordan literally loses his mind when it comes to this stuff. Measuring sea temperatures isn’t a survey you give to people to measure their personalities. This man swears by the big 5 personalities and that they have solid evidence behind them. You really think we have a solid understanding of something as vague as “personality” that’s measured with surveys but you have a problem with the validity of thermometers and the idea of temperature? You really think we can measure personality more precisely than temperature? You’re insane if you think that. So if you believe in psychological evidence (which I have no problem with, I think he’s right about IQ and the big 5 personalities being relatively stable and valid constructs with good enough measuring devices to quantify it), then you cannot argue with taking temperatures and measuring gases in the atmosphere. I’m willing to hear Jordan out, but he literally becomes insane when it comes to talking about the actual science behind these things. I have to call that out. You cannot argue with average ocean and surface temperatures and you cannot argue with massive increases in the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. Those are undeniable facts. You can argue with models, you can argue with economics, you can argue with the way it’s portrayed in media, but you do not cross that line into crazy town by denying reality and asking absolutely ridiculous questions or asserting that taking a temperature is somehow a guess… it’s absolutely insane and it completely destroys any amount of credibility you gained. It’s hard to be that stupid when it comes actual, measurable data in real time unless you want to be that stupid. Also, all Jordan does is say that this is a big problem, and that’s absolutely right, it is a big problem. It’s one of the largest problems we’ve ever faced. Companies created this problem without any punishment, and we’ve all benefited from this pollution. But the bill comes due. We’ve gotta clean it up now. Jordan’s also right about the need for more cheap energy. This is why we need to spend massively to create cheaper and less complicated nuclear reactors. Renewables are actually relatively cheap, cheaper than coal in many cases. But they’ll never get energy cheap. So we need small, relatively cheap, safe, and easily run nuclear reactors that can make energy far cheaper than it currently is. I don’t think coal or oil could get us there even if that’s the route we took. We need nuclear now more than ever so that energy can be cheap. But that’s the thing. We need to solve the problem without having too terrible of an impact on the poor. Where Jordan and I disagree is that we have to take care of the problem and he seems to think it’s made up. I’d much rather have a conversation on how to transition without hurting poor people rather than a conversation where he just denies climate change exists with the most preposterous reasoning I’ve ever seen him make. He has to know better, this guy is smart. So he’s lying?? I don’t know.

[@maybelive765]

It's so funny when Destiny talks to anyone knowledgeable on a topic. This video is like a dad trying to teach his very small child what the world is like.

[@roberttustin8230]

One is trying to have a conversation that gets somewhere. One is trying to win an argument.

[@halfgraincinematography]

True, Peterson's so angry and comes up with the most ridiculous lies in order to keep lobbying for the oil industry.

[@JohnnyTurbo87]

I`ve never seen this Destiny guy produce a single original thought

[@hamster4618]

Very few people have (fully) original thoughts. Out of curiosity, have you ever seen Peterson produce an original thought? 🤔

[@nowhere529]

@@hamster4618 Yes plenty, he doesent march lockstep with the rest of academia who have contributed to turning the West into a giant S hole.

[@christophersnedeker]

​@@hamster4618I (a leftist) actually like Jordan as he has more original things to say. But I agree most conservatives just parrot whatever the Koch brothers pay Steven Crowder and PJW to say.

[@hamster4618]

@@christophersnedeker can you give an example of an original thought?

[@psychadous9403]

Man, I really hoped for more from JP other than "nuh-uh" and "but the poor." How far he has fallen... *womp womp*

[@Cpt_JohnRackham]

Debating Destiny is the moral equivalent of boxing a cripple.

[@LudwigHorsecock]

and jp lost to said cripple

[@Cpt_JohnRackham]

@@LudwigHorsecock You must be profoundly re✝️arded.

[@Jimmy-h5f2b]

Yeah like you would stand 5 minutes debating destiny without sounding like a crackhead on psychedelics

[@TheShannaginz]

People still pay 27$ a pack for cigarettes, the tax does nothkng to stop addiction 😅😂

[@william14able]

look around bozo

[@TheShannaginz]

@@william14able am I supposed to be looking at you the bozo? Or what?

[@BradJohannsen]

Cigarette use is dropping dramatically, what are you on? Lol

[@TheShannaginz]

@@BradJohannsen does that mean that not a single person rver pays 27$ for smokes? What the fuck are you on?

[@themidgetsman]

@@TheShannaginz If cigarettes were 2 bucks a pack do you think more or less people would smoke? I think we can agree fewer people smoke the higher the price gets and less kids start smoking if it cost more. That does not mean every person will stop or never start but it does mean many will stop. Smoking used to be 32% of the population and it decreased to 11% in recent years. It is a mix of price and marketing changes.

[@paulwalters5943]

Okay you got me. I’ll listen to it. I’ve seen so many ads for this debate - and I have never heard of Destiny before lol. So I had to research him a little and I’m absolutely shocked he would be willing to go toe to toe with Peterson on anything.

[@michaelnice93]

The CO2 concentrations are at a historic low and it’s really helpful to plants to have more, so actually it’s good to have more CO2. The argument over how hot or cold the temperature of the planet is sounds a lot like my parents arguing over the thermostat setting in their house. Though in this case people have been widely convinced we actually have control over the temperature of the planet. The idea we can control the climate is just as ludicrous as the idea that we know what the temperature should be.

[@robbhays8077]

Jordan's point about the location of temperature sensors is the only point that matters. We haven't really been measuring temperature over 100 years in a repeatable way. The uncertainty is larger than the change we are trying to detect.

[@mb3799]

When thermometers compromised by the urban heat island effect are removed from the dataset, it becomes clear that temperature has increased only slightly since the start of the industrial revolution (with a multidecade cycle superimposed over the same time frame). Thus, claims of warming are derived from compromised temperature data. Sadly, data tampering has also been employed to align temperature increases with CO2 increases. $$ and politics have compromised scientific inquiry...a truly sad reality.

[@dk-bw4gk]

The whole methodology is faulty. Why are we averaging the entire planet, or even large nations? I remember one "hottest year evah" where the planet cooled slightly but the Arctic warmed from -38F to -32F (still far below freezing) and this skewed the entire average up.

[@jean-marclamothe8859]

Satellite demonstrate there’s nothing to worry about

[@ShakeITyEA]

completely false. both the measurements and methodology are reliable enough for us to detect clear trends. this is what models and predictions are based on. you are both foolish and arrogant to assume scientists do not know what they are doing. those are people who dedicate their life to the topic.

[@dk-bw4gk]

@@ShakeITyEA Models are not based on measurements. There are no scientists in climate change.

[@TheCLARKE9]

You can give a Canadian a never ending suit wardrobe and they will always find their way back to denim

[@hansklaus7075]

Destiny : " I know everything there is to know about climate change because I Googled it"😂😂😂

[@yannip8460]

Jordan peterson is spot on as always. I believe Jordan peterson is having a logical debate while the other person is having more of an emotional argument bc they desperately wanna believe what they wanna believe. Instead of listening what is said to them by Jordan and dissecting what is said to them to see if their views may be incorrect. My opinion in order to be correct about something you you must be willing and open to the possibility to be wrong. You have to test your beliefs and continuously challenge your beliefs to make sure they are correct whenever you hear new information. Not just insist, when that happens its more so an emotional argument at that point vs a logical one

[@Kokumajutsushi]

'Debate' More like 'Dr. Peterson demolishes Destiny on every topic discussed'. Oh: Christ is King.

[@VictoriousChurch777]

Yes! Awesome. I agree on both accounts. Love it. Christ is King.

[@justin-fractionalhub5532]

Hottest year where? In Australia it's been a very cool year compared to others. No bush fires this summer.

[@Mattropolis97]

I thought brush fires were a result of dryness, not air temperature…Death valley California is the hottest place on earth and there aren’t brush fires there. There were a shit ton of trees and plants in Iraq when I was there last year, 50 degrees Celsius, no brush fires

[@christophersnedeker]

​@@Mattropolis97 There's hardly any vegetation in Death Valley.

[@jarlskellington4654]

India, Mexico, Egypt and a great number of states in the US have all broken heat records this year.

[@whyismyricewet1986]

Dr. Peterson forgot to mention one key aspect, that Destiny is indeed a girls name

[@charlesklempner8273]

No it’s a stripper name

[@calonarang7378]

😂

[@danieldelaney768]

There are layers of truth on both sides of the argument.

[@Trev-h1j]

Destiny thinks if he talks really fast he sounds smart. He doesnt.

[@poopstink2196]

You know I hear the same argument against Dr Peterson all the time. Give destiny a try, people always say he just talks fast and debates but maybe he actually is smart and he debates cause he wants to find the truth. I know watching his streams that he actively searches for the truth and it’s extraordinary how far he gets with that, further than academic historians like Finkelstein who’ve devoted their whole lives to a topic.

[@angelozachos8777]

@@poopstink2196 “Destiny” (🙄) simply wants to WIN the argument. You cannot discourse with those types of people …time alone will expose them

[@poopstink2196]

@@angelozachos8777 wanting to win an argument provides incentive to be on the right side of the argument. It’s precisely the reason why debate and argumentation is so crucial to our society, it’s the logos in action. Of course belief in principles is important but pure adherence to argumentation actually gets you very very far in the search for truth. Destiny’s fan base is the most diverse on the political spectrum I’ve ever seen, and I think that’s a consequence of alignment of his identity with the search for the truth rather than a particular set of beliefs. I haven’t seen someone that identifies with that search better than destiny and I’ve been a fan of both JBP and destiny for a long time.

[@yalechuk6714]

​@@poopstink2196 No it doesn't. It only creates the incentives to say want people believe not what is true. And this is want Destiny is doing right here

[@poopstink2196]

@@yalechuk6714 just because destiny disagrees with you on this particular topic doesn’t mean his beliefs are based on pandering. He is very pro Israel and has gotten tons and tons of flack for it. He argues what he believes to be true.

[@shawnhowe7311]

Thanks Doc

[@zeromitch8792]

Lol this is the guy on whatever podcast that said his open relationship is perfect and they will never fail. Where is his "wife" now LOL

[@CommonSenseFishing209]

As a electrician and HVAC business owner i could school both Jordan Peterson and Destiny Both. They are so smart their stupid on the subject. Its like arguing macro vs micro and not being on the same page. Or quantum physics vs regular physics. They are discussing completely moronic points that are quite minor compared to the true meat of the subject. Power creation, distribution, storage and infrastructure. I could break it down very easily in about 10 min.