Drinker's Chasers - Captain America 4 Is Set Up To Fail

[@tobiaswedin]

I was seriously distracted by the placement of Disparu in the botton right corner making him blend in with the background image so that it looks like he has a giant arm.

[@flankspeed]

Hehe, it's like Johnny Depp in 'Once Upon a Time In Mexico' when he brings up his real arm 😅

[@littleluxia]

I see it now and can't unsee it😅

[@hericlezzz]

Thought only I was seeing it 😅

[@arthurfisher1857]

Dammit, I hadn't noticed! You bastard 😂

[@skylx0812]

...now you have to give him a super power to go with that oversized hand. ✊

[@Rebelnutt]

Can't wait for the Red Hulk to say "Time to make America Red again"!

[@ChadKakashi]

I wouldn’t mind making Red Hulk more like Senator Armstrong.

[@gs4011]

​@@ChadKakashi That would be hilarious.

[@Shiirow]

@@ChadKakashi "Nanomachines, son"

[@brandonhelcher3691]

Too subtle for them. He'd just say the exact phrase, the lighting would make him look more orange as he says it.

[@pochaze671]

A redskin US President, that should have had to be a real progressive agenda!... yet somehow it seems to be another red menace??? 😂🤣😂

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Captain America: Stunning and Brave New World.

[@WillEDC]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@the0peratoR]

@grandmufftwerkin9037 Question for you bro, do you have an X account where you post the best Tweets like you do with comments here on KZbin?

[@guymanitoba3347]

IGN 100/10

[@993mike]

Disney gleefully finds new ways to extracts every ounce of cash from families at their theme parks, only to flush away all the profits on money losing films. How can this continue?

[@der_jannik_0115]

YAAAASSSS

[@crazyman8472]

They fired everyone who was good at making movies and replaced them with activists. 😵‍💫

[@erroneous6947]

100%.

[@chrissantucci1279]

Man, don't you hate when movies have a message?

[@Ben-jl2rh]

​​@@chrissantucci1279Especially when that message is, anyone who doesn't agree with us is a monster.

[@EmperorEidolon]

Disney made a Woke movie containing the message that everyone is racist, and that we all need to celebrate BLM (the grifters) for all eternity. That has ZERO to do with Captain America, who is NOT a black man. This faux version of Captain America is NOT authentic, it is a lie. When people who HATE America and freedom of speech make a movie called 'Captain America' they can't get it right, because spiritually they're not Americans and don't understand the basis of the constitution.

[@RetroProg]

@@chrissantucci1279 Good lord no, great films should have a message or at least some form of intellectual insight. The problem is you need talented writers to do it. Look at Star Trek, particularly next gen that told complex stories with mature themes that made you think. What we have now is activists telling you their point of view is the only way to think. They have hounded out every talented writer from hollywood which is how you get Acolyte and its braindead ilk.

[@The_Truth_Logic]

It deserves to fail. So does Disney. They made their bed. This is their coffin. We, the audience, must lay them in it.

[@scottydub5785]

🙏 Amen

[@death-king1834]

I would love to see Disney reach a point where their so wrecked for cash, that not even BlackRock can afford to keep bailing them out, and then Elon just ends up buying them.

[@chalkdemon8019]

Absolutely

[@atomicdancer]

Sometimes, dead is better.

[@hulkfan97]

I have the same attitude towards Wicked. Let the movie fail so we can get a proper adaptation of the play with a better director and cast that isn't just a bunch of DEI check boxes.

[@she-venom9842]

Falcon is not and will never be Captain America just like Iron Heart is not and will never be Iron Man and that is the end of line!

[@breach005]

The MCU retread is weak as fuck. Brave New Failure is going to fail because Bucky isn't cap. (no offense to Falcon or his actor whatsoever, but Falcon is an Avengers B character and is lame enough to always be to me)

[@mikepatton8691]

​@@breach005it looks like the entire next Avengers team will be the C list team. If you're facing a world ending threat do you really want Captain Falcon and Shang-Chi on your team? I'm not even sure who the rest of the future Avengers team will consist of but the current MCU's options are limited since Brie Larson is done with Captain Marvel, She-Hulk is out. The MCU doesn't have any Thor or Hulk powerhouses left.

[@breach005]

@@mikepatton8691 Captain Falcon, Iron Heart, Shuricopter, come on this is the makings of a great, very profitable superteam to carry the franchise forward

[@Mereologist]

@@mikepatton8691 You're forgetting that literally EVERY teenage girl is a world-bending supergenius now. Riri is going to make Tony Stark look dumb. Shuri already has openly mocked Banner and Stark as idiots. And Ant Girl builds inventions in her room that her genius grandparents can barely understand. And they do have son of Hulk for their new team, remember? He was introduced for a few seconds at the end of the 'She Hulk' series that nobody watched. And there's Wiccan who will be more powerful than his mom Scarlet Witch because he has the power of gay.

[@hellkaiser2009]

I see this point being made and I always have to add the caveat, the ORIGINALLY written comics sam wilson from way back. At least in the right hands at any given time. Was a superbly written badass character with well thought out and strong principles. Which led to some great story lines. He in particular, is absolutely someone you would think could make a very interesting captain america mantle holder, super soldier or not. It's just that the instant they started hiring radical hacks, the source material in terms of the character itself started to get poisoned. So this was inevitably going to trickle down to MCU sam wilson in a similar pattern of shitting him up. They just gotta stop hiring idiots, it's what messed up the comics. Sometimes these changes in how characters are written work though. Modern peter parker is absolutely a beloved character. But older era comic books peter parker for example, is a FAR cry from the flanderised and dorky but somewhat pure hearted peter parker we get later on in the comics and movies. Could you imagine, a modern day spider-man adaptation. Which deals with his origin and school years. Where peters internal monologue or dialogue in response to an embarassing or socially awkward situation. Even scenes where he gets bullied socially. Is to literally openly think or state, that the people around him being socially domineering are incredibly inferior and DUMB as compared to him and; that he could crush them all with his bare hands, were it not for uncle bens parting wisdom about responsibility? Because that was original herbs and spices pete. Which by the way is what made his opposition to many of the mad science based villains in his rogues gallery so compelling. He COULD have gone like them after the accident and, he had similar issues they faced due to his intelligence and interests not making him socially popular. He had the dangerous intellectual talent and NOW had the amazing power to make them all pay. But unlike them, he had a better influence, which caused him to choose a better and more responsible path.

[@ephraimwinslow]

"Red Hulk -- orange man... this one writes itself!" -Someone on MCU payroll about 9~ months ago getting ready to let an AI write 50% of they/thems first draft.

[@ephraimwinslow]

Yay! Drinker noticed me.

[@TheWarmachine375]

​@@ephraimwinslow At least you didn't edit your comment or the heart is lost.

[@6trillionmiles]

5 middle aged men NOT talking about a Disney princess movie? What a change of pace!! This isn’t the drinker channel I know at all 🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@6trillionmiles Y'know what the saddest thing in the world is? A young person socialized by algorithms tryna be funny.

[@6trillionmiles]

@@ephraimwinslow 😂look in the mirror and at drinker who you love so much

[@crazyman8472]

“Can we please have a script?” 🤦‍♀️

[@BobSmith-gl3sn]

We use mad-libs here at Marvel Labs! Beaker, we need a vowel.

[@ottomaticallyawesome]

Just put the script in the bag.

[@cliftonmoore3473]

No do what we say and shut up

[@schiz0phren1c]

"Ha!, ok boomer!, we don't need a script, we have the power of one, the power of two, the power of manyyyyy"(box office flops)

[@CharlesUrban]

Scripts are a tool of the Patriarchy, don'tcha know.

[@dadocta5168]

On the opposite end: Sonic 3 has done everything to succeed! -Good will from the staff -2 good predecessors -No recasts -Keanu Reeves as Shadow is like Charles Martinet as Mario

[@SourRobo8364]

Debatable about the last one. Jason Griffith voicing Shadow would be closer to having Charles voice Mario again.

[@xenomorphqueenqueenalien6501]

They even LISTENED to the fans and fixed ugly Sonic design that is how it got bilion box office unlike modern Hollywood is blind and deef out of touch of their fanbase

[@CMc-v7z]

He'll be good. Shadow is like the John Wick of the Sonic universe.

[@TheSchaef47]

​@@CMc-v7z well, he is now

[@ErikDayne]

When the trailer for the first movie came out, Sonic had teeth and looked weird. They didn’t complain about the audience reaction or try to tell us that we’re wrong, they changed his design and now there’s an entire Sonic cinematic universe. They listened to the audience and changed and now they’re thriving.

[@cyclonetron5695]

They should have given the shield to Bucky. He was the better choice. His presence is more interesting, he already had the juice and they built his characters tension up more throughout the years.

[@ErikDayne]

That would also explain the conflict with the public as they wouldn’t trust a former assassin to be the new Captain America

[@johno1544]

He was also with Steve from the very beginning of his story he was the logically choice

[@FichtenFin]

​@@ErikDaynesomething i would watch. Good Story for an action based spy thriller with superheros

[@breach005]

Its just a total cop out that Bucky, the other WWII enhanced Super Soldier and Avenger and Cap's best friend from childhood, was not given the mantle. It actually does almost ruin the entire rest of the film with that bullshit. An earned moment between Cap and Bucky and they fucked all over it for some of their earliest DEI nonsense.

[@cyclonetron5695]

@@breach005 I know, and Falcon was a good character. He was good as the sidekick and added an extra flair to the Cap dynamic, but no we have to get him shoe horned in so they can raise their ESG score.

[@Ryoke-q3o]

Disney thinks they're Stanley Kubrick with all these reshoots haha

[@scottydub5785]

Stanley did multiple takes, not reshoots. Once he wrapped, he committed.

[@Connorthecatsdad]

Kubricky Mouse

[@alaistairhamilton8838]

However, while Stanley Kubrick may have been notoriously difficult to work with (ask Shelley Duvall), at least he was a brilliant director. Nobody at Marvel has a clue these days, the stories are weak because they don't have anyone who has read the comics as a fan, they got rid of every coherent, intelligent writer because they weren't 'woke' enough, and think that if they condescend, chastise and lecture their audience, they will be successful, then are shocked when they aren't!

[@EmperorEidolon]

Kubrick could never survive in the modern studio system. Woke/DEI ideology is anti-individual and anti-artist.

[@6trillionmiles]

5 middle aged men NOT talking about a Disney princess movie? What a change of pace!! This isn’t the drinker channel I know at all 🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@thecaptain4512]

What if instead of doing test screenings, they did tests of storyboards? The test groups can get a rough idea of what the studio has in mind without having to actually shoot anything first.

[@sugartoothYT]

That though too would be telling of how fucked they are in the creative department, when they cannot even trust themselves to make a decent storyboard. Everyone who contributes to the script should be that safety net already.

[@rickswordfire4774]

What if they made the best movie they can instead of testing consumer response to product?

[@stephenschroeder2141]

You mean, a comic?

[@thecaptain4512]

​@stephenschroeder2141 Yes, a comic that would save you from doing multimillion dollar reshoots as late as 3 months before release.

[@thecaptain4512]

​@@rickswordfire4774this is phase 5 marvel we are talking about.

[@gogomapleyo]

i just wanna see the original cut..🎃

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Me too cause you know it was probably racist AF and probs had went hard against Trump or republicans as a whole. I bet some of these reshoots have to do with the election not going their way

[@mosesa.weaver3058]

Now *THAT* would be interesting…

[@ephraimwinslow]

Why? You've already seen it. Take the "peens-are-bad" villain from literally any post-Endgame Disney product and dress him up in HULK cosplay. Done.

[@kwk111]

In the original cut Sam is like "I'm black y'all, and I'm black y'all, and I'm blackety black and I'm black y'all"

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@kwk111 Nonono. In the original cut literally every white person Sam meets is like: "Oh geewillickersy'all how do we react to so much blackness?? I just... I need space and time to process it all. Do we... do we throw things? I'm so confused. I need a Disney lady to tell me how to behave right this very instant."

[@s13gouf60]

It's not a fine dining experience, a home cooked meal, or even fast food at this point. It's a microwave burrito from a gas station.

[@kingleech16]

You owe the noble gas station burrito an apology.

[@Lionstar16]

The sort that gives you food poisoning an hour later

[@Uzarran]

@@Lionstar16 Or space-worms.

[@Mereologist]

My mum actually used to cook the way this movie was made. She'd start making one recipe... and then realize she was missing an ingredient or change her mind, so she'd try and turn it into a completely different recipe. And in the end she'd have some kind of frankenstein product such that even if it was delicious it could never be reproduced ever again. MUCH more likely it was terrible and nobody could be fooled into having more than a few bites. And then it would slowly molder away on the counter until it was no longer recognizable as food.

[@unclefranklin4575]

Your too nice!

[@rawhead3752]

Falcons suit is NOT a Hulkbuster. One finger flick and Sam is a fine red mist inside the shattered remains of a flight suit.

[@Adamatronamus]

At no point will Sam be in trouble in a Hulk fight scene.

[@mikearonYT]

@@Adamatronamusclassic Hollywood power scaling

[@AnonymousNoNayme]

Even if one could look past that and hand wave it way with future tech mumbo jumbo (gel layers, pressure compensators, nanotek force dispersion yadda yadda etc.) his neck would snap and his head would fly right off cuz he isn't wearing an integrated full face helmet. They never left Iron Man with his helmet off in fights tanking god level hits from gigachad supes or omega level mutants (let alone a Hulk who is above most of them) for good reason. It completely destroys any semblance of suspension of disbelief whatsoever smh. They are incompetent and/or are not taking their jobs seriously (and frankly i don't believe them but c'mon, how are you given a chance like that and not even try?) Truly a sad state of affairs.

[@6trillionmiles]

5 middle aged men NOT talking about a Disney princess movie? What a change of pace!! This isn’t the drinker channel I know at all 🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@TotalXPvideos]

​​@@6trillionmiles nothing more sexist than cheering for shitty movies cause they're "just for girls"

[@mcapps1]

Tony Stark's suit doesn'tmake you iron Man, wielding mjolnir doesn't make you Thor.... JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE CAPTAIN AMERICA'S SHIELD DOESN'T MAKE YOU CAPTAIN AMERICA.

[@anubusx]

Sam being Captain America makes no sense. He doesn't have any superpowers.

[@breach005]

"If you're nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it" -Tony Stark The assholes making the new movies have actually seen the other ones, right?

[@gildatheplant]

@@breach005 That's the problem, a lot of them clearly haven't. Disney is picking so many untested directors and writers because they are actively looking for people that they can use to push their narrative rather than people with the experience and genuine interest in the material to write actual good stories.

[@danielbrown9368]

I get your point but if you're wielding Mjolnir you are granted the powers of Thor. Call it a technicality, but. . .

[@ApocalypseGuy1]

@@anubusx Captain America is a super soldier. He was a skinny wimp before they gave him the juice. That's quite a superpower.

[@afelias]

6:30 Captain Falcon's suit now gives him vibranium's protection and increased strength So he's just Black Panther and Iron Man now or something? God, the powers are getting homogenized to hell.

[@ErikDayne]

Also vibranium didn’t give Black Panther super strength that was the heart shaped herb. Vibranium just reflects whatever force hits it.

[@theinsurance2450]

The vibranium suit is not supposed to give extra strength. Black Panther only has super strength because of the heart shape herp. If Sam has extra strength they just added that on. Which kind of ruins the whole point why he didn't take the serum in F&WS show. Also the vibranium protection is not enough. Hulk can break through vibranium. Thanos can without even trying. Cap (the real one) took a rocket launcher once with the Sheild and he went flying. So the fact Sam is just going to "block" a hit from red Hulk is ridiculous. Same with Sam getting hit by two rocket missiles in the air. The level of inconsistency is crazy.

[@SPTX.]

@@theinsurance2450 Those people can't even understand what a woman is. Don't expect them to understand energy transfer physics.

[@Captain-America4992]

Did anyone see the vibranium "Midnight Angel" suit Shuri made for Okoye in Black Panther 2?? The suit provides flight & super human physical abilities but its sleeker than an Iron Man suit, Sam's upgraded suit is based on the same tech as the Midnight Angel suit, that's why he doesn't need serum.

[@noneyabizness6094]

​@Captain-America4992 you can just admit you like dog shit

[@cb-gz1vl]

Captain America vs Red Hulk is like Batgirl vs Darksied.

[@EvilDoresh]

Or Polka-Dot Man vs Anti-Monitor

[@y2jjerichoy2js]

It would be more believable if it was Chris Evan’s captain America

[@kerravon4159]

They might have a little more success if they made a Captain America movie with Captain America in it.

[@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679]

well golly gee, you know...that just...might....WORK!

[@Captain-America4992]

Nope Steve died of old age.

[@georgezee5173]

@@Captain-America4992 We all know he's not dead though. Probably coming back from retirement any time soon...

[@Captain-America4992]

@georgezee5173 I don't know there was a military veteran's funeral in the BNW trailer.

[@breach005]

Ive nothing against Falcon, but Sam Wilson should have just remained an Avengers B-character. Bucky being passed up as Cap is 1000% bullshit and doesn't even make sense in universe how the other Super Soldier and Avenger and Cap's literal best friend wouldn't be chosen as his successor.

[@Matthew10950]

Disparus HUGE arm is hilarious.

[@breach005]

Keepin' KZbin Baitin for 300 years

[@Rogue-a-Pogue]

What's hilarious is that they already attempted to do the spy-thriller/monsters from outer space thing with Secret Invasion which ended up destroying any credibility Nick Fury had as a character and undermined James Rhodes to the point where we're still not sure what appearances in other movies and tv series were actually him. I can't see any character going into Cap4stic coming out looking better than they did going in.

[@FalconR200]

"what are we ? some kinda brave new world?"

[@UniqueLove32]

Cap4stic is hilarious 😂😂😂

[@jasongrundy1717]

Even with super soldier serum Cap couldn't have taken a punch like that. It's just such a bad concept.

[@breach005]

I love how much they just don't acknowledge that Sam is supposed to just be a normal guy compared to Cap or Bucky. 99% of what you see him doing would turn his guts into slurry

[@LastSunrise1981]

He did take a punch from Thanos though.

[@fawkesandhound]

@@LastSunrise1981according to the hulk, punches from Thanos turn you into a giant pssy

[@gargleme5544]

⁠@@breach005 dude everytime iron man fights and lands at 50mph he would be turned to jelly . Just shutup idiot

[@deezee2965]

Who would have knew these words would be relevant today: "You've got to do better...director!"

[@nickmitsialis]

Nah, I'd be happy with 'Don't fail again...Director!"

[@LRTrack]

"You've got to do better, Marvel Disney..!"

[@Avarn388]

The fact that James Gunn even said that they won’t shoot a DC film until the script is done should say a lot. This should be obvious but for Disney and Marvel it isn’t. Multiverse of Madness being an excellent example of behind the scenes chaos. They really need to put the time and effort into their writing. Not just utilize divisive identity politics and lean on the brand name. Because if they don’t they are done.

[@ephraimwinslow]

Your implicit core assumption: Marvel is a for-profit entertainment company that wants to attract and retain a stable audience of genre fans. Actual truth: Marvel is an at-cost advertiser for Larry Fink's boomer hot takes. (Accept it and move on. You'll feel better. Trust me.)

[@ErikDayne]

They need to bring in the X-Men and Fantastic Four. The writing has been terrible lately but they’re also suffering from being down to C tier list heroes. I read comics my whole life and I don’t even know who Echo is.

[@SPTX.]

It was also chaos on the scene. Just saying. Fuck that movie.

[@christovog]

​@@ErikDayneA thousand times yes and also seems glaringly obvious.

[@breach005]

Gunn and his basic sense, that guy is never gonna make it in Hollywood. lol seriously, you'd think having a completed script would just be a minimum requirement before one more fucking penny is spent on a project. These fools are being let loose in a studio before the homework is done.

[@craigcarter947]

"Test audiences" AKA Groups of people in NYC or LA that's been to dozens of other 'test runs'. Maybe if they tried audiences in Des Moines, or Tallahassee, or Louisville they might find out a movie that actually appeals to the broader population. Not the bubbles on the coast.

[@perunplague9794]

NYC and LA the most out of touch demographics of people in the US

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

Exactly

[@NickferZev]

I mean, test audiences are hating all versions of this movie. And with good reason.

[@courtney222-il1hr]

from the comments online it seems like alot of people arent excited about the film , me personally never been a fan of falcon / or the actor i think most people are more excited about red hulk , and its going to suck if they have sam take down red hulk so easy

[@fawkesandhound]

I see you’re trying to generalize all people in those cities as a monolith, which by the way exposes that you don’t know anything about these people, but these are the audiences rejecting this garbage. Which kinda shits on your point.

[@JsYTA]

In another reality, Disney stayed an Animation Studio and pumped all their shares into Handdrawn Studios and other R&D for the artform. Instead we live in the Becomes Generic Parent Company timeline.

[@chrissantucci1279]

@@JsYTA Disney has been a hybrid studio for almost 80 years

[@JsYTA]

@chrissantucci1279 largely in house, they weren't buying up their competitors and labeling them as their own

[@genostylez3]

OMG! I felt it in my bones when it was said, "It takes more effort to get it wrong" It really does!

[@breach005]

I mean christ on a corn dog. They've probably spent more now on the reshoots than just making an entirely new film. When this abomination comes out it will be $450 Million before marketing lol

[@GLJosh]

One time at work we "improved a piece of equipment" to obsolescence. Then we had to buy another one, Disney will just buy another franchise.

[@Br0ketruck]

Reminds me of something as comic book store employee tole me years ago, "Marvel characters are people trying to be heroes, while DC characters are heroes trying to be people"

[@WUZLE]

The Frankenstein's Monster of a movie comment reminded me of Fan4tastic, which felt like three completely different movies mashed together. It started with SCIENCE!, then turned briefly to body horror and black ops, then suddenly it was a blue sky beam superhero movie.

[@Mew_Mokuba_Akari]

That one you blame the studio. The director was happy with how the film turned out. Then the studio looked at it and said, Nah hate it. So without the directors approval or the input they changed it The director even disowned the film. The studio didn't care obviously if it made a cohesive or decent movie.

[@breach005]

Just skip over the actual bits where they learn their powers and become heros, you didn't want to see our Heroes do the Heroes Journey in our Hero movie did you?

[@WUZLE]

@@breach005 I liked the SCIENCE! And even the body horror and brief black ops bit. The problem was the last part of the movie was suddenly a good natured superhero movie and the three bits of the movie didn't work well with each other.

[@Mereologist]

@@breach005 If you think the hero's journey ends when a hero gets their powers, you don't know much at all about superhero stories.

[@YourOlderBrotherChannel]

Shoulda made Bucky into Cap…

[@breach005]

They fucked up any and all subsequent Cap shows or movies denying Bucky his mantle. Pure bullshit denial of an earned moment between Cap and Bucky since the first Captain America film. Just a primordial example of diversity hire creep in these movies that seemed mostly done to piss people off.

[@edelmantoamendola]

They made him so ghey in the tv show I don't even want to see that character again.

[@daddystu7046]

Anthony Mackie still making his cool little sci-fi flicks though. Elevation is his latest. Short, simple yet enjoyable.

[@MrSouthSioux]

At this point I don't even want Disney/Marvel to touch the X-men. Especially if they refuse to cut ties with Hugh Jackman and the Fox Xverse.

[@mylofone1]

It was originally filmed to be Orange Man Bad the movie, and they're finding out that doesn't sell anymore.

[@FargusPhil2]

Marvel has gotten cocky. After endgame, they thought that people would show up in drives to watch anything they make simply because of the brand. They’ve gotten lazy, think they can make a billionaire dollar franchise out of the most obscure characters, hire talentless Rick and Morty writers, and can get away with lecturing the audience. Disney is having a hard time listening to fans and would rather listen to shills such as Eric Voss, reel rejects, Louise Julie, Claris Polaris, her boyfriend, and her crying husband. They’re slowly course correcting tho with the news of Kevin firing anyone that can be considered an activist.

[@ephraimwinslow]

Too little too late. Torched brands, aged out characters, dated business model. Let it go. The baby has no pulse, no need to worry about tossing it with the water.

[@HDGaminTutorials]

Kevin himself is an activist he litteralt said he wanted the mcu to be all female. He got his wish

[@SPTX.]

"think they can make a billionaire dollar franchise out of the most obscure characters" They don't. They're not even in it for the money. It's all just for the message.

[@jamesbarton1969]

They used to do this in the comics. They would start off with a villain that was a threat to Thor or the Fantastic Four. Gradually weaker and weaker heroes would beat that villain until you expect Aunt May to bitch slap him.

[@franciscooctavius5957]

Box office brawler made an excellent point about how today’s characters are just hollow paper dolls and not the gritty real tangible characters of 30-40years ago. This is gonna ABSOLUTELY bomb. And I can’t wait.

[@haroldkrummhorn857]

Captain America had super strength and speed, the Falcon was just a guy with mechanical wings but no super powers. In effect, all he will be is just a regular guy in a super hero suit, WTF

[@raystimphil8280]

Remember, the best scene of falcon and the winter soldier was was Sam and Bucky teaming up to fix a boat

[@breach005]

nonsense, the best scene was when they visited The Real First Black Captain America and shit all over Steve Rogers and his legacy. Fuck that show, jesus.

[@WesternOutpostDonVonFilms]

They want to spread "The Message."

[@jamesstewart8376]

The MCU has become your sister playing with action figures in the 80’s. You and your fiends have Hulks and she picks up Falcon to fight them so you kick her out and get in trouble.

[@fakshen1973]

Directors aren't directors anymore. They are figureheads. The movie studio executives are the directors. Directors are now the lackeys that fulfill their vision.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Batgirl it. After all these reshoots it’ll have to make $1Bil just to break even. Just have some dignity and Batgirl it already

[@theinsurance2450]

Not happening. 1. Disney more woke than WB. They not canceling a movie staring a bk character. 2. Unlike Batgirl. They already released marketing. You can't get movie tax backs on that. (Which should never be allowed in the first place. Why are taxpayers paying the bill of their failure.)

[@trevorsalamander8711]

They can’t because their audience will call them racist

[@trollmaster4523]

So.... Why cant Disney just rename the whole movie Black Flacon rather than Captain America? Its like your naming movie Batman but there's only Nightwing in it.

[@AnthonyRomero-w8u]

Me remembering a key and peele episode 😂😂

[@captassassin5680]

1:13 They’ve stopped trying to polish it. And have resorted to dipping it in glitter and crossing their fingers! 3:39 That’s what worked for Zak Snyder making The Watchmen.

[@GLJosh]

"Glitter dipping a turd" should totally become a thing, much less effort than polishing.

[@Urd-Vidan]

Also, Ross isn't just a normal Hulk. The angrier he gets, the hotter he gets. There will be a moment that he can literally melt concrete. With Falcon's open helm, he will burn inside out fighting him.

[@EvilDoresh]

Not with the power of American freedom on his side! (This movie would be improved a thousandfold if he just jumped into Metal Wolf Chaos to fight Red Hulk)

[@343smur]

Brave new Flopbuster. Thanks for another good laugh, Disney.

[@Tripp_z137]

I think the writers were just so racist, they didn’t believe anyone can take on a black guy in a fight, not even a red hulk

[@matthewmosier8439]

.. let me just say, after 'Joker 2'.. the timing of these reshoots is very interesting. November 5th., a complete realignment is recognized by some in the press and suddenly this film is back to reshoots. Could it have been another "beat down the chuds", film?

[@laurasands8322]

No interest in anything Marvel since Endgame, I liked Deadpool and Wolverine but it didn't feel like a Marvel film , it was a comedy.

[@demetricsmith471]

It's a shame that MCU Falcon is nothing like comic Falcon. The power to communicate with birds could have been an awesome ability to have on film but the writers were too lazy to create a story arc for him to have comic accuracy. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@pygmalion137]

They never learn from the movie like Logan (2017) which is one of the best superhero movie ever made yet with reasonably low budget, it was based on the comic book "Old Man Logan", the script writers of Logan didn't get the inspiration out of nowhere by drinking 5 rounds of ayahuasca, they took a comic book story and made a movie out of it.

[@headp3]

Ok the suit gives him more power and agility, but there is still a squishy meat bag in the suit. Iron Man's suit does the same, and Tony comes outta every fight looking like he was in a car crash. Red Hulk would turn Falcon into basically a can of unopened tomato paste. For instance, A Hulk picks Falcon up by his legs, spins so fast he becomes a centrifuge and Falcons insides come out through his nose. The suit would take basically no damage but Falcon is dead.

[@cakeman2237]

Honestly if they just retconned Bucky Barnes to be Captain America for this film with no context, I’d be more interested in seeing it.

[@jasonaugustine3370]

I can’t understand why they don’t just give Sam the serum or give the shield to Bucky That opening of winter soldier where cap is just lapping him shows you everything you need to know about how ineffective a human being would be against someone with the serum This whole thing is ridiculous

[@Lark572]

“It would make perfect sense to make the winter soldier the new Cap--“ “MAKE IT THE BLACK GUY!!!!!!!!”

[@jonathankemp8496]

The BIGGEST problem is Sam Wilson as Captain America. It should have been Bucky Barnes. Going woke with Falcon was a HUGE mistake. He just doesn't have the gravitas (neither as a character or as an actor).

[@Bucketus.Lord.of.Buckets]

This movie will faul harder than indy 5, joker 2, and the marvels. If the costs are true (upwards $500m) then it will claim that title by a massive margin.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Disparu is my favorite... Mauler needs to make longform vidjas

[@toh6261]

You gotta do better, Disney. YOU gotta do better 😏

[@exoticcarfactsofficialchan7050]

I bet the MCU She-hulk could flatten Thanos with a clap, but yeah a punch from Red Hulk on Captain Black Sparrow "tis but a scratch" 😂😂😂 F-the Disney MCU

[@patshaf902]

Red Hulk is only in the film for like 10 minutes

[@breach005]

I wouldn't doubt what you see in the trailer is 90% of his screen time lol

[@patshaf902]

@breach005 most likely, this movie is gonna completely bomb and won't get another Falcon movie

[@infiniteinfantfinite]

As a comic book fan from waaaaay back it is frustrating that they have zero respect for the source material. It is the height of hubris to take something beloved and then shit on it to tell people it is improved. We notice and are not interested.

[@giorgiobianchi7847]

Falcon:"You gotta do better, Red Hulk! You gotta step up!" Red Hulk: **steps down on Falcon** End of movie

[@Solly-Tom]

My understanding is that the Falcon's superpower was a telepathic connection with an actual bird. Marvel took the bird out and left the wing suit, then dumped "Captain America" on him like hand-me-down clothes.

[@quasarleon4645]

Last time I was this early ... the HULK was still GREEN !

[@Grubnar]

Last time I was very early, the Hulk was actually gray.

[@quasarleon4645]

@@Grubnar Touche

[@Stephillpotten]

and retired

[@julianlord5366]

Only time I was in a test audience, I saw Superman II -- about 6 to 8 months before its eventual release. Probably the original Donner Cut, now lost forever. BEST version of the film that I have ever seen, though some recent-ish re-edits have come close, so I think these things can go both ways, either for better or for worse. I am genuinely sad that almost nobody else will ever have seen that edit of Superman II, as I think it was destroyed by the studio and that Donner's own attempts to try and recreate it have been only partially successful. Brando's lost scenes and the Epilogue were particularly pleasant. 90% or so of the Epilogue has been restored, but there was still IIRC one beautifully acted and delightful dialogue point at the end betwen the President and Superman that must be no longer be existent, to the detriment of us all. Straight from the comics, cheese and all. It was brilliant !! Only fragments of it persist in the current edits.

[@timothymcintire5747]

Oh snap! I just started watching Tyrone Magus's videos! Small world, I'd never thought he would be in there group!

[@cornerofthemoon]

It's a good bet that they're shoehorning Mark Ruffalo in the 11th hour to play the Green Hulk to save the day at the last minute.

[@thunkjunk]

As a little kid in the 80s I can remember The Incredible Hulk tv show and how spooked and freaky the Hulk was. It as the camera work, the makeup, the acting, the music and the story which created the overall effects. I was never spooked and freaked out by animation or CGI. I miss the days before the industry became reliant on CGI.

[@tonyclements1147]

100% agree..Lou Ferigno *was* the Hulk for me, and Bixby was Bruce Banner.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

There’s only so many times you can say a movie is planned to fail before it’s apparent the makers are simply not failing on purpose but actually incompetent.

[@StopReadingMyNameOrElse]

It's such a clear example of everything wrong with Marvel post Endgame. Endless reshoots after any bad screening, characters no one cares about, actors utterly phoning it in for the paycheck.

[@TrippyReviewz]

Still can’t over Disparu looking like his arm on the table, 3D af

[@anubusx]

lol.

[@Ryoke-q3o]

In the comics, only Hawkeye could pick up the shield and master the ricochet. Even Cap-Falcon had to run and pick up his shield after each throw back when he started.

[@nathanaeldrown450]

The trailer is so bizarre. You see these scenes with the falcon in these gritty-ish grounded-ish fight scenes and all political stuff and then it suddenly switches to CGI red hulk throwing people into the CGI White House. The tones are so different. It’s insane. If they just stuck to the gritty side of it, it wouldn’t be amazing but it might be decent and definitely cheaper.

[@ilovejettrooper5922]

I was *not* expecting to see Tyrone Magnus when I clicked on this, but I'm here for it!

[@marychocolatefairy]

It seems so stupid not to have Bucky in this one. Why is he randomly in Thunderbolts instead? I keep seeing access media headlines saying that Bucky's absence is a "good thing" and "makes sense"- which tells you they know they messed up, lol.

[@Tigerman1998]

I'll forgive that infamous FATWS scene if we get a scene where Deadpool roasts Sam Wilson on the "You gotta do better, Senator!" line in front of everybody in the next Avengers movie.

[@theinsurance2450]

That line is terrible but the "don't call them terrorist" is worst. He even says it twice.

[@breach005]

I think that scene was the actual moment the MCU became an inert mass in my mind. It was so cringe, and so bad, so written by a 20 year old moron that thinks hardship is Starbucks running out of whip cream, I was done lol. Senator is like "right, I know, do you have a suggestion" and then Sam just flys off... Disney, go away now.

[@Chaos_God_of_Fate]

Disparu and that body below him is tripping me out- especially when he puts his left arm in the shot!

[@Canaris3]

I just like how the cinematography and storytelling of that movie is so locked in and tight that it can actually be redone multiple times and still supposedly make sense.. Compare that to an amateur like Straczynski and his Babylon 5 where he had written arcs and events four seasons in advance and often couldnt allow actors to improvies their lines and go ad lib because they might ruined some future plot points..

[@breach005]

This is because Straczynski is a god among men. The ones who make insulting dreck like Brave New Bomb are talentless Daddy hire cockroaches.

[@oldmandice2731]

The only way this works, imho, is if Falcon gets his ass handed to him, realizes he's not cut out to be Captain America, and gives the shield/title to The Winter Soldier. That, of course, will never happen.

[@scottbullock3045]

At this point, Anthony Mackie should just put the shield down, take the money he has earned and just walk away. Holy 💩!

[@MajorSmurf]

A relatable hero is one that goes through the ringer and still stands back up. They need to suffer loss, experience trauma, see the best and worst of people and add on everything else that shapes them as a person. You need to see them happy and than you need to see how they react when it's snatched away. After all the only difference between a hero and a villain is that a villain will stop at nothing to achieve what they want, while a hero won't. There's a rigid set of rules and morals they set on themselves and will not go against them. They need to be constantly tested on the values they stand on, Frodo and the ring. If you have a hero who refuses to kill, having a villain who will tie him up and slit a friends neck in front of them is good story telling, as long as we see him swaying and thinking whether his values are worth it. Does he stick to that value or drop it? A hero is a mere step from evil at any time, some will buckle at times and need someone to pick them up. Writing a story is about putting your hero through their own version of hell and asking them at the end? Well, do you still want to be a hero?

[@W9HJBill]

No one wants The Falcon as Captain America. Steve Rogers IS Captain America. PERIOD. Leave The Falcon as The Falcon and Steve Rogers as Cap and move on.

[@breach005]

If anyone else is Captain America, its fucking Bucky. The way they pissed on that moment between Cap and Buck in Engame was horse shit.

[@AsdfGhjkl-bd5mh]

I wouldn't want Bucky to be Cap either. Just retire the Cap America character. I don't like that marvel has been just replacing the big names with rip off ones.

[@Al4___]

They've chosen Red Hulk like Captain America has a lack of villains, there are tens of Cap villains they could've gotten for Sam, instead they got the stupid flag smasher and Red Hulk Let's also say Sam never took the serum in the comics, the serum should have been that thing that is only preserved for Cap and Bucky

[@Raidoven]

3:48 Zack Snyder's "300" was beloved because it did JUST THAT

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

These are the saddest ones for me. The Captain America films were always my favorite of these movies.

[@MRF1983]

For years I've been saying to friends that all the MCU had to do was follow the comics as closely as possible whenever possible, they're a literal road map of successes and failures. As far as adapting them to film as was pointed out in this clip, Plot, already done, add to as needed. Dialogue, already done, add to as needed. Storyboarding, already done, add to as needed. I think Tyrone is spot on with his guess, this movie's production began in the heart of their full-on identity politics above all else direction. Now, they're trying to graft a fun comic action movie on top of the skeleton of the identity poltics film they already made. With Blade, they could just shut down production like they did, but they've invested too much into this movie and not just in the financial sense. I'm looking forward to watching it crash and burn. Honestly, I'll be disappointed if it doesn't, but that's all the investment I feel towards it.

[@KrakoaPresident]

Even if this movie has a decent $50M Opening Weekend, it still won't break even. That's why I think they'll release the Fantastic Four First Steps teaser between Jan 27-31, Cap 4 needs that momentum, any it can get really.

[@apollolux]

Sounds like they're trying super hard not to adapt from the comics decently to the point where they even avoid bringing in the Serpent Society until _after_ Steve Rogers stopped being Captain America, i.e. when having the Serpent Society in the MCU would no longer matter. The reveal of Contessa Valentina (who's being relegated to the Thunderbolts movie) as a former Madame Hydra would have much more impact with OG Cap around, Serpent Society member Diamondback being turned by Steve and them eventually becoming lovers similar to how MCU Clint/Hawkeye got Natasha to join SHIELD will no longer be a thing, and the remaining Hydra load was either blown early in Winter Soldier or de-canonized when the Agents of SHIELD series was.

[@philanderphillips2309]

Captain Black Falcon America: New Clown World

[@justicierodelaliga]

Besides of everything...They should have stopped at Endgame. Waited a couple of years and started with new characters/actors.

[@breach005]

Endgame was the end of the saga for me, having watched it since Iron Man came out. The Spiderman films that came out after are the only ones worth a damn after that. The rest is 10 years of actual re-treaded garbage trying to recapture the magic

[@Almanacplanting-g6o]

This team-up is pure gold!

[@jamenb7344]

Ok. Hear me out on this. Falcon dies in the first few minutes of the movie saving Bucky, somehow. Then Bucky, in a double "I owe them" state becomes slightly angsty, no holds bared, Caption America for truel modern audiences. He isn't enough with the super serum, so he takes some gamma, ultra light that let's him fight Red Hulk with his logic and rage at what has been laid on his shoulders. Boom. A new, liked, lead to set up excitement for RDJ, recycled.

[@jamenb7344]

Yup, I "liked" and replied, and liked my own reply. Bite me, it's a good idea.

[@jamenb7344]

You rock; me.

[@jamenb7344]

Dude, fck recycled RDJ!

[@l3R0K3N8BIT]

This movie is becoming the Film of Theseus

[@anubusx]

Love that mythology reference.

[@MetalGildarts]

Sly Cooper! ❤

[@ceegronlee]

In every movie appearance including Ang Lee's Hulk , General Thunderbolt Ross has always had his character-accurate mustache. Why the fuck can't Harrison Ford grow, or wear a damn mustache for this role? It's so lazy and bullshit. We all know he doesn't care. Not rocking the mustache really proves it.

[@whitt-fitt1056]

When your new iteration of Captain America has historically proven that he cannot fight for shit (Granted he tried to go hand to hand with Frank Grillo of all people) that’s just not a very compelling hero, which is a shame because other than that Anthony Mackie is great as Falcon, they should’ve made Bucky take up the shield

[@thatoneguychad420]

Bucky was then only right choice. We all know it's just because he's white and they wanted to make a black the new captain america. We all know.

[@wht-rabt-obj]

I LOVE how Disparu and Brawler line up with the images on the background picture and look like they are drinking buddies 😂😂

[@GamingRoomOficial]

11:20 nailed it. but I'd add the fact that they are also dumb.

[@Face2East]

It's almost as though they needed to get some writers involved who knew the characters and enjoyed using the source material with respect. - Disney Corp, 20 years from now.

[@chronicbrightside8757]

WAS Marvel great in the beginning, though? I feel like the MCU was always consistently "bland but competent," with a handful of really good movies that elevated the franchise, a handful of pretty bad ones, and then a whole bunch of mid - enjoyable on a boilerplate level, but that's about it.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

It was always event driven, where the plot of the various movies revolves around the next Avengers crossover. It got worse in later phases because other films teased something which never paid off. Such as the first Doctor Strange and the second Doctor Strange not expanding on Mordo planning to destroy magic in our world.

[@chronicbrightside8757]

@AdrianFahrenheitTepes I definitely agree that there was a clear lack of planning in the later MCU movies. Loose threads were often left indefinitely dangling, and didn't seem to be building to anything especially meaningful in the first place. Disney/Marvel also seem especially prone to drop their current trajectory with a movie at the drop of a hat based on fan outcry, which on the surface seems like a good thing - at least they're actually listening to the fans - but the problem with that is, there's no pleasing EVERY fan, and it's less a roomful of dedicated creators trying to make the audience happy than it is an algorithm processes complaints and then sanding off a few more corners off a movie to compensate, until what's left is a bland and inoffensive slurry that no one can enjoy (this has been happening with Star Wars as well). Early MCU was at least consistent and felt like it had some vision and direction behind it; but now, it's so scattershot and reactionary, they're making it up as they go along and they have zero faith in the artistic vision of the writers/directors to just make something without a thousand meddling executives getting their dopey hands on the story.

[@jusrobby5829]

This movie was doomed the moment they decided to have a hero with no powers fight a hulk