Hitler put Russians on Death Ground - Sarah Paine

Full Episode: • Sarah C. M. Paine - WW... (October 2023)
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[@DrinkyMcBeer]

A wise man once said to not leave your opponent in a position where his only choice is to fight for his survival.

[@darkhobo]

Sun Tzu

[@tempejkl]

thats what the IOF did to Hamas

[@ThePredator1997]

Only an idiot would say that. You don't even know who said that. You're just making things up.

[@weathforjr]

Nice. My comment got wiped. Yt is garbage for debate.

[@clement2780]

more like russia to ukraine, hamas against israel?

[@matthew8505]

I love this lady! The only person ever to say A. I don't know B. A perfect explanation

[@GaryRayBetz]

Sarah Paine is just so insightful and brilliant! Thank-you!

[@224dot0dot0dot10]

How does Sarah Paine explain the fact that the commander of Hitler's SS bodyguard unit, Erich Kempka is a Slavic ehnic Polish person with 4 Slavic grandparents from Poland? What does Sarah Paine say about Bandera or Konstantin Voskoboinik or Vlasov? She appears to be ignorant of the actual details of World War 2 history....

[@Retsler54]

Not really my impression. She sounds like any war mongering idiot here in the west.

[@Humuhumunukunukuapaa]

She is a professor of strategy and policy at the U.S. Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island and a successful author. Not only is she credit but highly educated. You, a random anonymous person on the internet, throwing insults at her way means nothing.

[@moiseshuerta3984]

She's a hack.

[@ImperativeGames]

She is full of anti-Russian propaganda though.

[@niccotine9867]

She’s a yank teaching yank history

[@alberarthure]

she talks terribly and is terribly familiar with the material (or she just lies, as Americans like to do all the time)

[@kentuckyfried9499]

Yeah they are Russian bots. They don't have a free thought in their head.

[@VeritasOmniaVincit176]

"Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across. The wise warrior avoids the battle." - Sun Tzu, Art of War

[@David-ns4ym]

Chinese philosophy is a joke it’s fantasy. Read Von Klausewitz “on war” It explains everything and is the basis most military educators will report they teach from. No other book comes close to the Art of War.

[@lukethompson1517]

I don't know much about her, but it's nice to hear a voice that seems to come from a more sensible time.

[@gretamurphy3704]

Her analysis is grounded in a strong life-long education about her subject. Too bad we don't always get that!

[@jon8004]

I'm in D.C. The city is filled with people like her. Our "time" is a bit of an illusion. A lot of very loud voices have been amplified by social media, but thoughtful moderacy like this still dominates, even if it doesn't seem like it. Also, as good as she is, our universities are filled with similar people.

[@Vifnis]

@@jon8004 this right here... people Like Lindsey Graham want War whenever literally ANYTHING happens... "best money we've ever spent" Man, I hope he burns in hell tbh...

[@jordanchen23]

​@@gretamurphy3704a lot of idiots just say she's biased and call it the day. They don't understand that bias is acceptable when it's predicated on factual information. You can disagree with her final takeaway but good luck dismantling the existence of actual conflict events in history.

[@dreasbn]

She's driven by analysis and not ideologie... very refreshing, very sober, very rational... that is what's missing these days. Every one is so over emotional in one way or the other that breaking it down to facts, experience and analysis is a thread to many, from the far right to the far left, for authocrats to common nationalists..

[@tiberseptim8434]

This is literally what the field of history is. This is exactly what we learn as history students. People think universities are „woke“ and overly political, but that’s because they‘re either American (weird for profit colleges) or simply uneducated.

[@user-pn3im5sm7k]

Sarah Paine misses the mark on many WW2 topics and it's best if she does not espouse her opinion and arrogantly present it as fact. Her typical American arrogance coupled with self-confidence is a pretty deadly combo, at least for us who care about historical truth. If you want to listen to comfortable lies then you're at the right spot. She lacks empathy. You do not need to sympathize with the Axis powers but if you want to understand the complexity of the war and its geopolitics you'll need to place yourself in the shoes of the Axis nations. She fails to do this one simple thing. She tries to answer questions on Japanese or German decisions yet still manages to get the answer wrong when we've known the answer for over 70 years. She will obviously have bias (as a DEI hire for the naval war college) and fail to mention many of the sinister sides of our part in the war. Such as our provocations against Japan & Germany in the 1930s following their ban on certain family owned banks. Constant sanctions before the war with lacklustre and hypocritical excuses, and gigantic list of war crimes before, during, and after WW2. Unspeakable things occurred in Berlin, Tokyo, Okinawa, and even France..our "ally".

[@EmmsReality]

@@user-pn3im5sm7kkeep talking

[@MichaelElfial]

But to me she sounds naive in very americanish way

[@dreasbn]

@@user-pn3im5sm7k what a long post without any relevant content.. wow

[@constantinekoumantos3059]

Mr Patel I very much enjoy your channel. Thank you for your content. I especially like that you don’t interrupt the guest. Keep going and good luck in your future!

[@AK_-xn1fm]

Tsun Tzu has a quote about this. Do not let your enemy be cornered and to leave an outlet free. Many speculate this is so to the fearlessness of people when it came down to the death. You tell your people the enemy thinks of you as nothing and will not stop till you are dead is a damn good motivator to fight like hell.

[@Mortablunt]

This is why the Russians never complete encirclement, and also do so much to have opportunities for surrender, as well as treat the Ukrainian populous well. As we are seeing most, Ukrainians, even the west Ukraine Nazis generally don’t have it in them to die for a fake shithole. As it turns out we’re going gets tough over 75% of Ukrainians would rather get going!

[@sheldonwheaton881]

There was a German Army saying,"Boot them, don't splatter them."

[@pugilist102]

The Mongols used that tactic to great effect. Not sure if they read Sun Tzu, but they were herders and understood how animals(humans) reacted to being surrounded/cornered. When given a slight chance of escape, an animal will choose flight over fight. An army in flight is a dead army.

[@Mikethemerciless11]

@@pugilist102 Well, when Genghis Khan went into China, after the first few cities they took, they ran into someone who told the Khan that he doesn't have to besiege a city to take it. After all, besieging takes time, and gets messy afterward, what with the pillaging and such, and it will take time to rebuild everything to profit off of it. He told the Khan that these cities aren't especially loyal to the Emperors, and that if he offered that the leaders would surrender the city, in exchange for remaining in power, so long as ample tribute was sent to the Khan, they would do so. Sure enough, that's what happened, and China was conquered rather quickly.

[@marvinhaagsma9177]

Robert McNamara mentioned this. See the Fog of War, Lesson #1: Empathize with your enemy.

[@grandlotus1]

Thank you for introducing me to Sarah Paine - a self-evident genius. I hope she and I could someday have an amazing conversation. Mr. Patel, you are also a gifted interviewer.

[@bobfg3130]

😂 She's full of bs.

[@maxn.7234]

This sounds like an NPC bot would write. Hilarious.

[@grandlotus1]

@@maxn.7234 I'm real. How about you?

[@networknomad5600]

@@bobfg3130Explain your dissent or have your opinion rejected like the trog you are.

[@Cbcw76]

She merely sounds well-read. I'd like to find her books or read more of her research notes, though.

[@thegift20luis]

She is great! My kind of historian! Thanks for sharing this wonderful video!

[@dcc70]

Good questions and better answers. I'm so glad I found this channel.

[@dat2ra]

Thank you. One of the most knowledgeable and informative programs on KZbin.

[@eman4k23]

These interviews have been so good

[@vhaddad5249]

Thank you, Dwarkesh, for bringing us these videos and introducing us to Dr Paine. She’s such a very clear communicator with a wide depth of knowledge. I wish could take a week off and just listen to Sarah Paine lectures and interviews.

[@birdstrikes]

Excellent questions! Subscribed!

[@mikesalvaggio20]

It’s about time we start getting content based on facts and expertise . Fantastic stuff she might be my new favorite resource for this kind of strategic and historical geopolitical content .

[@moiseshuerta3984]

She's a hack. Doesn't even know Soviets from Russians.

[@maxn.7234]

Alas, you got very little of it from this hack.

[@Mortablunt]

Hey, World War II knowledge is OK but her current events knowledge is abysmal. Everything she said about the east Europe situation is pure Nazi and Washington propaganda. To condense a lot of things, about 50% of Ukraine fled, and 20% of Ukraine demonstrably chose to become Russian.

[@patrickporter1864]

Why would you want an expert what do they know.

[@peterwarner553]

​@@patrickporter1864the most idiotic post I've seen today, congrats.

[@keaixiaomeinv]

This lady has been blowing up in my feed recently, on KZbin, Facebook, and even LinkedIn. And I'm so glad to see someone who's really knowledgeable talk about things she knows. Really, really refreshing.

[@Stakker]

She’s awesome

[@lproth]

On the tank issue, the allies provided every thing else to include the modern machine tools used to build those tanks. Ford alone sent thousands of trucks, because the Soviets were wedded to trains for logistics! This made their logistics predictable and easy to disrupt! Trucks help them free up their movement!

[@jack6539]

Of course, fords blitz truck factory in Germany was also building trucks for the German army through the war as well. After the war, Ford motors successfully sued the us government for damages for bombing said factories in Germany.

[@collinleecrawford]

Allied aid to soviets was instrumental in ending the war as fast as it did however by that logic England should’ve ended the war before the Soviet Union due to receiving far more in aid than the Soviet Union did from America. Truth is Soviet Russia would’ve had shittier equipment. But it still would’ve outlasted the Germans

[@swingset1969]

He asked the question HOPING there was some silver lining to communism/central planning. You can hear it in his voice.

[@mikedearing6352]

@@collinleecrawford I recall the Russians lost 20,000 aircraft on the ground during the opening of hostilities, the pilots all getting brand new high performance aircraft and within 6 months Russia had more aircraft than the Germans, all trained and experienced more or less. 2 weeks before Japanese attacked pearl harbor Russia began their first winter counter offensive, driving the Germans back hundreds of miles, one more winter would see the end of the German ability to threaten victory, Russia needed no help beating Nazis, they had more of everything just about, all we did was murder the future by helping histories biggest mass murderers win histories biggest war, created a communist victory in 1949 China, it only got worse instead. Patton wanted to take out the communist, MacArthur wanted to liberate all of China, but Franklin Roosevelt already feed the beast everything it needed to create this timeline with nuclear war the first obvious truth, and today's biological warfare virus

[@theoneinthebackground4209]

And those tank weren’t advanced or reliable.

[@chrisleonard2066]

This interview was so good, I could listen to another 2 hours e

[@FarmerBenny]

This woman is amazingly interesting and articulate

[@Saber23]

Russia will dominate the world soon enough

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

No, she's basic and parroting highschool level narratives.

[@Saber23]

@@againsttheleftandright4065 lol so basically she’s just telling the truth and basic history everyone should know, look dude I get that you probably think you’re some big “free thinker” (judging by your username) but I’ll be the first to tell you, YOU ARE NOT 🤣

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

@@Saber23 So, when I said "highschool level narratives," your immediate thought was "yeah, if it was taught to kids by the government it must be true!" Everything she said was neoliberal / leftist historical revisionism. Idiot actually said "Hitler's blitzkrieg worked in Austria."

[@freshtoast3879]

​@@Saber23Why are you so hostile? Are you a trigĝerèd Amèrìcàn?

[@drewmalesky9869]

She's so insightful.

[@daseladi]

You must be joking. US is full of this kind of educated in high places, leading the foreign policies as well. Thanks to exactly this kind, US shoots its own leg once a day.

[@drewmalesky9869]

@@daseladi which of your heroes did she insult? Hitler? Stalin?

[@daseladi]

@@drewmalesky9869 Well, you are joking again. She is one of those who make US shoot it's own leg once a day, and you see her as insightful. You deserve your government, oh, you do.

[@daseladi]

@@drewmalesky9869 You are joking again. US is full of this kind of educated in high places, leading the foreign policies as well. Thanks to exactly this kind, US shoots its own leg once a day.

[@daseladi]

@@drewmalesky9869 US is full of this kind of educated in high places, leading the foreign policies as well. Thanks to exactly this kind, US shoots its own leg once a day.

[@idunnoiguess1]

One of the best interviews I have ever seen. You are so talented and you have the most interesting guests. It is so hard to ask pointed questions to get the most meaty responses, and you do it so well.

[@ollywright]

Amazing insights. Thank you

[@ivinnysixx]

I can listen to this woman all day.

[@pudge9161]

Love this content.

[@billkingston4402]

Amazing knowledge and great delivery

[@rickvanheerden788]

Excellent. What is Sarah Paine's book that is referred to?

[@Turf-yj9ei]

Lend Lease. Stalin wrote in his memoirs that the Soviets would literally have starved without Lend Lease. Also the Soviets couldn't produce high octane aviation fuel or artillery shells at scale and imported much of this through Lend Lease. And the those tens of millions of Soviet troops were eating US food, wearing US boots, and driving US trucks. That's what I bring up when people bring up the "Russia did most of the fighting" argument.

[@vladislavfeldman6562]

Mongolia supplied the same amount of food as Lend Lease and most of the winter clothing of the Red Army. Lend Lease started getting to Russia after the Germans were stopped at Moscow and Quickened the end of the war by 2 years.

[@countprophet5881]

@@vladislavfeldman6562 Yeah, the Russians would've held off by themselves just fine. It's more up in the air if they would've been able to push their way all the way to Berlin by themselves though.

[@vladislavfeldman6562]

@@countprophet5881 With 20 million battle hardened army and tank production being slowed down after 1943, if there was no D-Day Russia would be in Calais by 1946.

[@Elpunia]

Statistic example. All together were charged 105 032 citizens in September- November 1938. Including: pole 21 258, german 17150, russian 15684, ukranian 8773, belorussian 5716 and etc

[@billhuang7705]

@ Approx 4:23 follow up on the fire-bombing of Tokyo. I heard that Emperor Hirohito toured the bombed out areas afterwards and was stunned to see people turning their backs on the Emperor. This caused him to conclude that Japan could no last much longer.

[@matikramer9648]

Thank you Very much

[@digenesakritas8234]

Easy Americans and British were Russian manufacturing during the war. The amount of aid and material from Britain and the United States was unprecedented. The West kept the Soviet zombie alive in WW2.

[@GoldberryIsland]

Precisely

[@Mortablunt]

Only 10% of aid arrived for 1943 and 80% of aid arrived 1944 and 1945 so the danger was demonstrably over by the time meaningful aid got there. The Soviet Union held out and even started winning before the help got there.

[@GoldberryIsland]

​@@Mortabluntsome people think and some people believe what they hear.

[@postblitz]

Tons and tons of perfect material for tanks and factories plus huge numbers of engineers made the USSR's army possible.

[@digenesakritas8234]

@@Mortablunt In all, the United States shipped $50 billion ($608 billion in 2020 money) worth of materiel under the Lend Lease program, including $11.3 billion ($137.5 billion in 2020 money) to the Soviet Union. In addition, much of the $31 billion worth of aid sent to the United Kingdom was also passed on to the Soviet Union via convoys through the Barents Sea to Murmansk. The United States provided the Soviet Union with more than 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 aircraft, 8,000 tractors and construction vehicles, and 13,000 battle tanks. All the factories in the Soviet Union were rebuilt and staffed with American engineers after Tsarist Russia fell. It would be more accurate to describe the Soviet Union as a satellite of the United States from 1917-1945 than a peer.

[@matthewkennedybourne5814]

Anybody binge watching her videos?

[@JonathanToolonie]

*Raises a hand*

[@kenon6968]

Is there any more of this?

[@corriedebeer799]

Really pleasant to listen to her speak.

[@ricklogan7889]

Some of this sounds like McNamara's Laws of War.

[@stephenphillips6245]

The Fog of War was a good documentary...a right wing look at war, but still interesting.

[@dat2ra]

Fog of War

[@jasonalmendra3823]

Time for the bots to earn their rubles.

[@av19455]

kk

[@nicholasbarakos2074]

Just based off of your profile pic and your comment, you probably vote democrat.

[@darkhobo]

​@@nicholasbarakos2074yeah the educated tend to

[@nicholasbarakos2074]

@@darkhobo I’ve met a lot of dumb educated people.

[@Canonfudder]

They goto work hard, less they be sent to an early fpv end

[@borzix1997]

Brilliant!

[@TheTimdoyle]

There’s no mystery. The Soviets were supported by the USA. The vastness of Russia has always helped block any invasion. As for advanced technology they moved their factories hundreds of miles away from the front.

[@Stakker]

Exactly. American money and British materiel kept the Soviet nation alive for long enough to send their millions into the grinder. The Germans relied on stealing as they advanced. There was nothing to steal. No fuel. No roads. No hope. Overstretched and their morale blown away. A thousand miles from home. Germany was doomed from day one. It was just a matter of time. Ironically it was their ideology that guaranteed their failure. The Soviet republics they conquered in the way to Russia would have happily felt liberated if they weren’t considered subhuman by the nazis

[@djohnson2536]

The difference in the willingness of a people to fight is stark when we're comparing people fighting for goals in foreign lands, and people fighting in their homeland, defending their very existence and their very way of life. Compare the US in Afghanistan and Ukraine fighting Russia. Big differences

[@nathanmoore1893]

So interesting this.

[@vhaddad5249]

Thanks!

[@STScott-qo4pw]

Her own hubris shows... Hirohito was a world respected scholar in marine biology. He specialized in mollusca, authored several widely used books under a pen name.

[@GerBear76]

The sad state of American academia. Idiots that sound rational fooling idiots who know nothing.

[@tommytigerpants]

She does dismiss this as “he was fascinated with guppies”, but in the context of his role and the stakes at play, it’s not an unreasonable comment

[@Alvi410]

My god... Understand rethoric. She is making fun not as much of him but of people that assume that Hirohito was front and center of Japanese expansionism. "He liked guppies" is an eased up way to state that: "While educated Hirohito was not a military leader and his interest and full understanding of military matters was limited to what he was being told and fed because his main interest was marine animals" plus it also makes the lesson (wich in his original form is lime 2 hours) much more digestable thanks to the occasinal ligh-hearthed joke that drives a point home. Is it really that difficult. C'mon now!

[@quintopartido3991]

General Patton: "We defeated the wrong enemy."

[@salvatoreregalbuto5444]

general patton killed US soliders his opinion means nothing to us. He’s a traitor running over world war one vet’s known as the bonus army.

[@salvatoreregalbuto5444]

he ran over US soliders for no reason get a life bro

[@C12341]

@@salvatoreregalbuto5444 I read he put some Mexicans he unalived in battle on the hood of his car like they were deer. I’m confused why people think he was a good guy I think his d eath was pretty sus though and somebody took him out.

[@weathforjr]

​@@salvatoreregalbuto5444 your propaganda seems desperate.

[@johnpederson5873]

Even if so you can’t side with hitler who breaks any treaty he signs the Germans are the reason they had 0 allies in the first place

[@darrencorrigan8505]

Thanks, Dwarkesh Patel.

[@wasdwasd609]

She's so insightful. I adore the emotionless matter of fact attitude. Exactly how history and news should be provided.

[@annegreengables6367]

Thank you for these brilliant lessons!!

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

It's all trash. Would you like to know more?

[@mikerichards5610]

She's good!!

[@richardsimms251]

Great talk

[@tomevans4402]

Fascinating

[@gregoryedwards9097]

To think that Communist China is a bad thing I think is very one-sided. The unipolar world under US hegemony has stagnated save for Silicon Valley and a few other bastions of creativity. And even then, Silicon Valley has created a plethora of new problems regarding mental health, from internet addiction to social media anxiety & depression. The economic model that China is currently using is superior to the US currently. Our cities are still being built with the 1900 mindset of requiring to drive, which truly only benefits the car companies and gas companies. The government til this day hasn't invested in public transportation, and neoliberalism has literally made us race to the bottom for goods, exploiting third world nations as we force them to embark free trade while we don't do it ourselves. China is the antithesis, and has quietly observed how the US has conducted itself. I love how China did NOT bail out Evergrande like we did with the banks during the 08 financial crisis. Our government has been bought out, and though we like to champion freedom, free speech, and equal rights, our government does not really believe it, but loves to portray the image that that is what we represent, and that it is fine to invade 'backwards authoritarian regimes' such as Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria, so long as we use those principals as our Trojan Horse. Our government is ran by super rich, spoiled, arrogant, assholes. If you think the people in Orange County and Hollywood are stuck up, imagine how far that gets scaled when we're talking about billionaires who've never spent a single day with regular people of America. Capitalism being good is what the capitalists who are on top want you to think lmao. How is this not recognized? Always look at your own team with suspicion because they will never admit their 'true' wrongdoings. China IS NOT perfect by any means, and has a lot of flaws in itself. But the US is not any better, and in my opinion, has done more global damage. The only time it ever does good is when it benefits it's long term goals, such as rebuilding Germany, Japan, and South Korea to keep Communist countries at bay. We've done nothing like this for South America nor Africa, EVER, and would NEVER do it if the US stays as the hegemonic power. Check out Michael Hudson. Would love to see Michael Hudson and Sarah Paine speak. Both seem highly intelligent but have veryyyy different views.

[@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721]

The US unipolar dominace ends no matter what clowns like this lady says...

[@rogerparis]

I love the way she explains everything.

[@franksizzllemann5628]

This 9:24 is something I've been thinking of for decades, were the Axis to be victorious. It's so obvious but this is the first time I've heard it. Coming from a source like Sarah Paine is gratifying.

[@alejandrocantu4652]

Dwarkesh read Stalin's Folly: The Tragic First Ten Days of WWII on the Eastern Front

[@anthonyburke5656]

Short answer, terror, the Red Army had years of practise in the years after the 1917 revolution, the Allies invaded and the Red Army fought them until 1923, the White Army continued fighting, then the Red Army terrorised the ethnicities. Then the Red Army fought the Japanese. The Red Army still collapsed, if Beria had any courage, he would have assassinated Stalin without a risk up until the Nazi Army retreated from Moscow.

[@davidshoup3856]

Operation Barbarossa was planned to be a 4 month war and defeat of Russia before the Oct./Nov. muddy season/ Russian Winter 1941/42. Did the German General Staff not know any of this? They did many were junior officers on the eastern front 1914-1918. Long answer terror... "Greater Germanic Reich of the German Nation" (Großgermanisches Reich Deutscher Nation) , the "Thousand-Year Reich" (Tausendjähriges Reich). "Living Space" (Lebensraum), "Drive towards the East" (Drang nach Osten), Generalplan Ost, The Hunger Plan, "Superior man/ Subhumans" (Aryan Ubermensch - German Master Race/ Slavic Untermensch - Poles, Ukrainians, Russians).

[@D4NK1]

In the future , everyone will interview everyone and give their opinions on everything

[@1977Yakko]

The Russians built so many tanks because they didn't have to build most of their trucks and railcars and a host of other logistical needs. Unless I'm mistaken, the Russians were offered a second front in '43 in exchange for ending Lend Lease but the Russians wanted Lend Lease to continue, so the second front wasn't until '44.

[@Will.1.L.G.A]

Great. Video

[@Elpunia]

In Soviet Union were massacred not only poles, but all nations of Soviet Union were massacred

[@thehellyousay]

the nazis didn't even make it halfway to the caucusus mountains, skippy.

[@tempejkl]

@@thehellyousayWho was fighting on the frontlines? Do you think the dead Ukrainians and Belarussians were? No, it was people from all Soviet republics.

[@mladenmatosevic4591]

Apart from Polish officers, most Poles were killed by Ukrainian nationalists and in German reprisals before 1944 And all Jews, 3-4 mln or so were exterminated. After war, remaining Poles were forcefully relocated to Silesia and East Prussia.

[@jossiesh7649]

You know nothing. Please provide facts.

[@lucone2937]

The interior ministry of the Soviet Union NKVD killed many Soviet soldiers for various reasons just to maintain very ruthless discipline in the battlefield. Before the Second World War Stalin also eliminated many of the Red Army's most capable officers including three of five marshals, 13 of 15 army commanders, eight of nine admirals, 50 of 57 army corps commanders, and 154 out of 186 division commanders. Besides sometimes very poorly equipped Soviet units were sent to the battle against German units especially in 1941. Stalin didn't care much about own casulties when he gave orders to defend or attack. Those are some of the reasons why so many Soviet citizens died in the World War II, not only because brutality of Nazi invaders. Even when the Soviet prisons of war were liberated in 1945, most of them were sent the Gulag system of forced labor camps to make sure that they didn't get any wrong ideas during their prison time.

[@Mr.SharkTooth-zc8rm]

She is a fantastic asset for the USA's Military Industrial Complex. Those poor Ukrainians. Those damn evil Russians etc...

[@MarcoBonechi]

Hi troll, I'm sorry you have to type such garbage while crying that you hate yourself for having such a horrible job. Paid Russian propaganda has existed since early 1800s, unable to accept progress beyond dictatorships and death.

[@alexiachimciuc3199]

How do you know that russian aren't evil?

[@Mr.SharkTooth-zc8rm]

@@alexiachimciuc3199 I have no doubt there are evil Russians. Just like there are evil people among all the populations of the world. But if you are asking me if Russians as a whole people are evil then you are brainwashed and it's up to you to un-brainwash yourself.

[@darkhobo]

Indeed she is a researcher at the US Naval college.

[@tempejkl]

@@alexiachimciuc3199Because i've seen nice Russian people...?

[@hereigoagain5050]

Brilliant! Sarah's analysis is supported by "The Chrysanthemum and the Sword" by Ruth Benedict, which is a fascinating anthropological study of pre-war Japanese culture. The Office of War Information commissioned Ruth's ethnography to formulate strategies for the eventual occupation of Japan, which is one of the great success stories of post-war relations.

[@ks.tuor369]

I didn't know anything about this scholar. What wonderful intelligence! Thank you for this discovery.

[@effendi77]

Generalplan Ost

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

Unrelated plans by various individuals with no ability to implement such plans does not indicate the aim of a government to commit genocide. By this logic, if the Germans won the war, they could have accused the Americans of planning on destroying all German people due to the Morgenthau Plan.

[@DoIoannToKnow]

whole lot of intellectual discussion but I have to drop in to say: this guy is literal gigachad

[@forgottenfamily]

I think a missed detail about the firebombing: there is an inherent discrepancy between actions taken against the civilian population as an act of war - yes, a war crime, but one that someone can understand is about furthering the war aims of the enemy - and actions taken against civilians in occupied territories. Not to say that there is no rally-around-the-flag impact - we have evidence of that in Battle of Britain - but it's not the same as Death Ground. The firebombing of Tokyo doesn't undermine the theory that one can survive if they surrender. The mass murder of your countrymen, on the other hand, foundationally establishes that there is only one path to survival and that path is to fight.

[@stevekillgore9272]

6:10 as portrayed by modern Japanese about themselves in Godzilla : Minus One

[@cdes68]

It's real weird that Russia ended up choosing the fascist way.

[@johannesswillery7855]

Even more weird that factions of Americans want the Fascist way.

[@postblitz]

"weird". There is no fascist way, the labels they use are interchangeable. The dynamics of power are the same.

[@parker3979]

Russia is developed enough to hold regular "corrupt" elections, that are fairer and more accurately counted than those in the US of A, which bears no similarity to "the fascist way" 14 years of one party elections under Hitler.

[@Kleicomolo]

Alfred Rosenberg of all people thought that the Hitler/Koch approach of just killing everyone was counterproductive and made no sense.

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

Hitler's approach was never to "just kill everyone." You realize that there were entire Slavic nations, such as Slovakia, that were not only in the Axis, but given independence and total autonomy by Germany? This is all nonsense. Actually, Rosenberg was one of the more unreasonable ones.

[@steoderfragt1821]

no man, no problem.

[@whothefislate]

I didn't even know he was sick

[@bdcochran01]

My physics professor had advised and guided the fire bombing of Japan in WW2 and was consulted for Vietnam. He reported that the weather and climate conditions would not permit it. Putting people on known death ground is not a good idea. One exception was the strategy of Ghenghis Kahn. Even then, people did not know that they were put on death ground. His army would attack outlying areas, comprehensively driving them into smaller and somewhat urban areas and forts. Then he would leave would appeared to be an unforeseen route of escape. The trapped people would try to use the avenue of escape and be killed. Chesty Puller, USMC used the same technique in Central America. He identified the routes of escape and cut them off.

[@User-1983-bi8bw]

She has strong biases on some critical issues; the biases prevented her from being objective in analysis and drawing sound conclusions. You direction is wrong then you only see things that are only visible to you.

[@salvatoreregalbuto5444]

i think the same thing but shes right me and you are typing hypothetical’s

[@dat2ra]

"Bias"? Do you mean that her conclusions differ from yours? Or that no conclusion can be unbiased? Or what?

[@User-1983-bi8bw]

@dat2ra She does cherry-picking in facts, look things through a particular "lenses", or intentionally exaggerate impact on some aspects. Those qualities are NOT expected from a scholar, as she provided misinformation or misleading audience. Maybe she is simply mentally or intellectually not to the task.

[@steoderfragt1821]

Can you give an example?

[@urbanlumberjack]

it’s a very interesting question, but Russian manufacturing would’ve been nothing without the United States. The US literally built the tank production lines in the states and shipped them to Russia.

[@konstantinkelekhsaev302]

Which tank production line was shipped from US ?

[@konstantinkelekhsaev302]

@Not_A_Dumb_Leftist Stalin never said that. Lend-Lease at most 10% of Red Army total food shipments.

[@konstantinkelekhsaev302]

@Not_A_Dumb_Leftist Here is the real quote "‘These machines obtained under lend-lease are helping us win the war" "According to John R. Dean’s calculations, each Soviet soldier theoretically got up to half a pound (about 230 g) of food per day. According to the calculations of Moskoff, each Soviet soldier received 10 oz (280 g) of food per day from the United States only" Daily Soldier ration was over 2000g of food.

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

The tanks added to their numbers. But the trucks were more important.

[@tempejkl]

Lend lease didn't even make up 5% of Soviet war production. The only significant amount of something was half of the USSR's aviation fuel The entirety of lend lease doesn't even compare to the British medium and heavy tanks shipped over in the early stages of the war. Lend lease became significant while the USSR was in Poland.

[@dv8tyler692]

The only thing I can really add is there is a difference between high moral and blind fanaticism.

[@barnabyallen5796]

She is an extremely eloquent and knowledgeable lady. No doubt about it.

[@miroslavsmiljanic9985]

7:23 hm, quite intriguing laugh

[@jamesonwheeler6665]

She literally a casual

[@Normally_aspirated]

You’re a casual. She’s a scholar

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

@@Normally_aspirated Yeah, this is what you get for elite educated government activist in America. She sounds like a 15-year-old boy talking about the mistakes Hitler or Putin made.

[@jamesonwheeler6665]

@@Normally_aspirated she def got qualified during those boomer years where you could just homer simpson your way into a job lol~

[@steoderfragt1821]

@@againsttheleftandright4065 I think she sounds very educated, you have to keep in mind, that this isnt a lecture, just two people talking freely...

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

@@steoderfragt1821 I talk with more sense when I'm drunk, yelling at my girlfriend's brother about WW2.

[@jamiebranco4092]

Shes such an amazing speaker.

[@frostyrobot7689]

0:24 - "Why did central planning work ?" A: For the same reason it worked for the Western wartime economies.

[@ViggoHinrichsen]

His opening premise is wrong. Russia was not robust. They were made robust. Russia got their tank knowledge from Germany before the war. And the Sowiets received endless help from the allies. America sent its Russian ally the following military equipment: 400,000 jeeps and trucks 14,000 airplanes 8,000 tractors 13,000 tanks More than 1.5 million blankets 15 million pairs of army boots 107,000 tons of cotton 2.7 million tons of petroleum products (to fuel airplanes, trucks and tanks) 4.5 million tons of food That is why Russia didn't collapse. That is why the government didn't collapse. In additon allied forces even helped the sovjets hitting Nazi targets in east europe because they couldn't handle the Germans. From rferl: Most famously, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt. "I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war." So yeah - Russia didn't collapse because of the US and the allies.

[@ownpetard8379]

Also communication wire, like used in the front lines. USSR couldn't reliably make commo wire. And tactical radios. As for trucks, in Russia and Ukraine today, "Studebaker" means a large utility truck. Fundamentally, beyond a thin veneer, Russia is a third world country with oil to sell. The government treats the countryside no better than the tsars. Minimum infrastructure.

[@watchingvids9899]

700 000 Ukrainians became Russian citizens every year since 2022 at minimum. The most number of Holodomor was around Volga river in Russia. Isaine lyar

[@Jason-ou1ln]

Post source or hella cap.

[@vladislavfeldman6562]

@@Jason-ou1ln Starvation was also in Czeckoslovakia. As a Ukranian both my gran grand father and mother died during the starvation of the early 30's. It was the fault of the Bolsheviks, but not intentional. As every Kolhoz reported record grain harvests to Moscow, for fear of denounsiation, while having the worst harvest in 20 years. Moscow decided to sell the perceived surplus overseas. Causing famine, making my grandmother and her 2 sisters into a Bolshevik orphanage.

[@jotsingh8917]

Let us not forget the historic amnesia here in North America. Andrew Jackson and the gang in U.S. Congress in the 1830’s pretty much had their Wansee conference. They did the same with the Indian removal act and extermination of the natives to steal their land. It is a real bitch that modern times had better record keeping. The victors always dictate the historic books.

[@agustingrimoldi1078]

"That means Hitler forever..." 😱😰 Thank God we didn't get that

[@aon10003]

Why are women historians so eager to defend their own lackluster goverments.

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

She's a paid shill for the US military and government. Nothing but anti-nationalist NATO propaganda.

[@TheAgentmigs]

Is Netanyahu oh political "death ground"?

[@georgejernigan3312]

No but the Hamas leadership is

[@ddoppster]

Hardly, but being a small land, you can always sell that notion

[@crhu319]

He is.

[@steoderfragt1821]

No, but being surrounded is a factor...

[@waynethegreat23]

She's a great speaker 🔊😊

[@RoyBlades]

Lend Lease proved to be a huge factor.

[@adampatterson2195]

It's so refreshing to hear an unbiased and intellectual position.

[@BlankBey0nd]

Nonbias doesn't exist. Bias implies you are actually engaged with something, which you are. You are engaged in this life world, this thing we are all a part of. Taking a value position in which you "withhold any judgement of value" is itself a value judgement. A judge attempts to occupy this impossible position of determining what is just, of being blind, but at the end of the day they still make that call.

[@johnburns9634]

@@BlankBey0nd Non-bias exists in pure mathematics.

[@BlankBey0nd]

@johnburns9634 who is using these mathematics and for what? Who is there to register them as significant or not? What do these "pure mathematics" - which themselves rely upon axioms inherited historically which we must assume and believe to be true - defer to? What does it mean that we inherit them? How is unbiased "pure mathematics" able to account for quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle or godels incompleteness or the work of cantor on set theory? Who speaks for pure mathematics?

[@johnburns9634]

@@BlankBey0nd So, you don't know what pure mathematics means? Or you don't know what a search engine is?

[@BlankBey0nd]

@johnburns9634 the mathematics we have now are the mathematics we have for today. already in that sense they are conditioned by their times. The dilemma of wielding pure mathematics is not unlike that of kants noumena. The thing in itself, independent from being schematized through quantity, through time space, this thing that is freedom, is unable to be fully thought, for if it were to be thought it would not be free. The question of the free will hinges on this, for if a subject somehow had access to the thing itself they would be entirely determined. It would no longer be a question of bias or preference, it would be a statement of dogmatic totalitarianism, a unilateral, wholesale negation of everything besides itself, a permanent state of exception. No subject that thought in pure mathematics (if they are thinking at all) could avoid dogmatic assertion and in their overidentification with objective spirit (that which is independent of subject spirit, outside of that which experience in the world of subjectivity) would be reduced to psychotic autism. We already see it now in the attempt to formally map "reality" and by peoples obsession with formal consistency. But a complete mapping is impossible. Any set of numbers when existing in a set must also account for the empty set, for void, for that which the set of all numbers included in the primary set. Thus lines are drawn even in your concieved notion and conception of pure mathematic.

[@cristosl]

Excellent presentation of verified historical facts, not propaganda

[@tempejkl]

😂😂😂

[@Mortablunt]

The history stuff is accurate. The stuff about right now is not. Pure propaganda narrative, as sponsored by the Nazis of Kyiv, and brought to you by the money in Washington. Want to put it this way when they’re going got tough about 75% of Ukrainians got going rather than defend their supposed aboriginal sacred inviolable inborn national identity. More Ukrainians chose to become Russians then chose to fight for Ukraine. Even the Nazis to call themselves, Ukrainian nationalists would rather find ways to send the national minorities to die instead of go themselves.

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

This is neoliberal propaganda. The Marxists are less absurd than this woman.

[@wakeup8052]

Does anyone know if there are anybooks or memoirs from Japanese soldiers who surrendered and returned home after the war. I would love to know if thier families were crying with joy or if they still brought shame.

[@ownpetard8379]

Not after the war. The Japanese people saw that they could not have defeated the US. There are interviews and testimonials. A young girl marveled at the size of an American potato. Japanese soldiers brought home from China were very mad. They did not feel the effect of the power of the US forces. Hirohito calmed things down. The US occupation policy was very wise. And once the Korean war started up, Japan was no longer a conquered foe but a support system for US forces fighting the North Koreans and Chinese. The Japanese brought in US academics and revised its industrial policies and Japan Inc. was born.

[@Wellhereweare..]

According to the bushido “way” a single life weighs less than a feather in the pursuit of the emperor. As she said, it was out of a sense of obligation.. why they felt that? It was instilled into them and became cultural.

[@micfrismicfris4071]

This woman is another Victoria Nuland😂😂😂😂😂

[@commoncents7330]

First off, this woman is incredibly intelligent and knows her shit. But I can't help but play devils advocate when I get the chance. So with that being said, why do you think that it's the Germans putting the Soviets on "death ground" when the Germans allowed the people to join the SS and local police after they took charge? Maybe it was the Soviet leadership that did that to their own men. It was Stalin that sent millions to become casualties at the battle of stalingrad. Along with the order for "not one step back"

[@Harry-TramAnh]

They allowed them to join but at the same time killed millions of Ukrainians, so I guess the choice was to fight for us or be killed (I know it wasn't like that). At least if the Russians kept fighting for their own lands, then they at least they'd be at the mercy of their own people when it was all over. There also needs to be a distinction made be Russians fighting for Russia and Ukrainians fighting for what? Their country was already occupied at this point, so maybe they thought they might be liberated?

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

@@Harry-TramAnh The Germans did not "kill millions of Ukrainians." The Germans killed millions of soviet soldiers in battle, many of which were from the Ukranian SSR and would be considered Ukrainian today. The majority of people in Western Ukraine welcomed the Germans as liberators. The Moscow communist government was not popular in the Ukranian SSR.

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

Your pushback is correct. She is a historical revisionist who is parroting dumb neoliberal talking points. The Germans were trying to collapse the USSR, which was seen as the largest threat to Europe and an asset of Britain and the USA, which was already on its way towards direct war with Germany. The Germans had no interest in destroying the Russian nation, but probably would have also liked to create several buffer states between them and Russia, such as Poland and Ukraine.

[@steoderfragt1821]

Germans also allowed jewish helpers, but germans knew those would end up dead as well. Such things werent allowed, they were tolerated as long as they were useful, but that came with an experation date...

[@Jhossack]

I am glad Ms. Paine stosp revisionist thinking cold. Patel seems to have a good grasp of pulp ww2 history

[@aleksandarjokic2918]

death ground, death ground.....said at least 15 times, Americans adore certain words, they have a powerful effect on them and then they repeat them as if hypnotized ...they seem mystical, magical, like some package from which the solution to some alien mystery will fly out

[@taywil64A]

Wrong heading. It was the Soviet Union Hitler invaded not Russia (see a contemporary map). He made many points about Communism, but not Russia as a civilisation.

[@mdemian1968]

It says Russians, not Russia. It would be odd to write it as Soviets on death ground. They were in fact Russians.

[@taywil64A]

@@mdemian1968 It was the Soviet Union so included many republics now seperated from the Russian Federation. Being correct about the naming of states is important and not a subjective matter.

[@scottjones1109]

@@taywil64A Don''t we all know what she was talking about though?

[@taywil64A]

@@scottjones1109 Only because we are fmilar with the history of the era she is talking about. She needs to be clearer when talking of the time the Soviet Union and it's committment to spreading communionism globally, using national communist parties to do it's bidding and the cruelties associated with the Left.

[@edgarorube3641]

The heading is trivial, all Soviet republics were subjugated to the will of the Russian Soviet republic and were not in equal footing to dictate any real policies. What's more disturbing to me is your second point. I really hope you don't mean that Hitler "made points about communism, but not Russia as a civilization." That is flat out wrong, he married the ideas of racism and anti-communism referring to the Soviet union often as "Bolshevists-jews." He blamed the Russian civilization's "weakness" and inferiority for allowing that to occur. The whole invasion was meant to cleanse both the "inferior" eastern Europeans, particularly Russians to create that bullshit "living space." To say otherwise is to try to rewrite history in a very dangerous manner.

[@trvkim9435]

However they try to flip it Russia acted in reaction to NATO

[@Bugsnackers]

The only country that was asked to join Nato was Turkey to act as a bulwark to prevent Communist from spreading to the Middle East. But the rest flocked to join Nato after the USSR fell.

[@Bugsnackers]

It's not Nato's fault that many former soviet states don't trust Russia. They trust their former enemy during the cold war than they trust Russia.😂

[@johnburns9634]

@@Bugsnackers When? Norway wasn't asked? Were they ordered in 1949?

[@Bugsnackers]

@johnburns9634 does Norway population have resentment towards NATO? How about this: Does Poland and other Baltic countries who were actually forced and ordered to join the Soviet Union have resentment towards Russia? Easy answer when a lot of those countries flocked to Nato after Soviet fell.

[@johnburns9634]

@@Bugsnackers And what does Norway have in common with many of those Countries? They border Russia. I'm sure they feel safer living next to Russia from within NATO than without. The difference is I'm not sure if The Soviet Union asked any other countries to join the Warsaw Pact more like ordered. Hell, the Soviets thought about joining NATO, not sure if the S. U. asked. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKnLfZ6toriob5o But I think we might be arguing a similar point.

[@dolphinsmadden]

That was the least of his mistakes.

[@Cbcw76]

What about the importation of thousands of American engineers who supposedly designed and built new Soviet factories. I've read that there were 4400, there were 6,000, or there was only 2,000. The Soviets (again supposedly) didn't allowed them to leave, claiming so many died, so many opted to live in the Soviet system after WWII. I can't find much reading that - which I find strange, too. There were tales that they were hostages and used against the West's anti-Iron Curtain efforts.

[@Elpunia]

She is good example of western propaganda. In phrase about poles she begins with Russia ( in real terms Soviet Union). We saw a lot of europeans countries were defeated in days and didn’t massacre

[@Bugsnackers]

Lol but who was the real leader of the soviet union? Russia has the say for everything. It should be called "Russian and its satellite state union"😂

[@johnburns9634]

You missed the question. You say she is a good example of western propaganda, but this is not her channel, it's the questioner's channel, and he starts with the question "why was Russia..." while discussing a Russia led by Stalin against the Germans. What War do you think he's asking her about? Perhaps you should have used he and not she.

[@MarcoBonechi]

Russia always massacres after a victory. Because Russia is an old style Continental Power. If you bothered to listen and learn you would see she never makes it a racial issue, but one of leadership that isn't able to move on to better way of living. Your comment shows you are also stuck 200 years ago. Join the modern world.

[@darkhobo]

We saw the Red Army try to depopulate Poland just like the Nazis did. Come on now. Don't try to rewrite history.

[@johnburns9634]

@@darkhobo I’m not sure who this is replying to.