2023 ULTIMATE 7.2 CH AVR SOFTWARE RUNTHROUGH | 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos Setup | Marantz | Denon

[@GaryHuntPianoman]

I have a listen to hundreds of explanations AVR’s, and this is by far the best I’ve ever heard. Thank you so much you are the best.

[@ealanosborne]

Awwww, thanks for taking the time to spread such positivity! Glad I could help! 🎉🙌

[@jeffleonard343]

5.1.2 FTW! It’s what works for me in my living room.

[@fonkenful]

Indeed, except for the very small percentage of us able to dedicate the substantial financial and spacial resources for a “perfect” listening/ viewing room, compromises will rule our calculus. Minor annoyances such as staircases, picture windows, asymmetry, traffic patterns through doorways tend to get in the way of our wants. AFAIC, along with not enough covered parking space for our Lamborghinis, Maybachs, etc, these are the epitome of first world problems.

[@LaserDew302]

Thanks!

[@ealanosborne]

Thank YOU, my friend! 🎉🤘

[@dragonstone6594]

Great walkthrough. I was planning on getting the Sony AN1000, but once I learned the Marantz Cinema 70s had full pre outs I immedietly decided to get this one instead.

[@ealanosborne]

Nice! That’s what I currently use in my living room! 😁

[@michelroerdink6507]

Thank you for the in depth run through. For me it was a confirmation that I was doing it right 🎉. Greetings from Holland 🇱🇺.

[@ealanosborne]

Excellent! Glad I could help in some way! 😁🎉

[@migansso]

About LFE+Main or LFE configuration, I have experience some interesting results, when in pure direct mode or direct mode from a PCM 2.0 source in LFE it kills the Subwoofer, the sound feels thin. Otherwise when set it LFE+Main, it send a copy of the low frequencies to the Subwoofer and it sounds better with more body.

[@michaelti7220]

Thanks Ealan for this excellent deep dive! I recently bought the Cinema 70 and while the GUI and manual share essential information, your walk through puts meaning and context to it! Great for a starter like me.

[@ealanosborne]

Hooray! Thank you for your kind words. 😊🎉

[@chadharwood3894]

Best setup video ever. Thanks. Keep it up!

[@ealanosborne]

Thank you! 🤘

[@gowthamk5392]

So in 5.1.2 as ur idea top middle s the best and if i hv svs prime elevation where should i keep tat in heights just exactly above my listening position or little frnt !?!

[@ealanosborne]

Straight above 👆

[@gowthamk5392]

@@ealanosborne but in svs prime elevation the cones are nit straight n its angle??!!😅😅

[@ealanosborne]

@@gowthamk5392 That’s Fine. Either you mount them high on the wall, or far enough to the side on the ceiling that the angle still hits your main listening position 😁

[@gowthamk5392]

@@ealanosborne thats s good idea😃😃 and in amp assign top middle ryt!? Even if we keep on the side walls!?!

[@ealanosborne]

@@gowthamk5392 Yep! Top middle! 👍

[@JayPatrol]

Very nice tutorial video explaining things you do it well. But i see your test tone levels are very high, i heard that it can be dangerous to have them turned up on the plus side that usually most people have everything negative db Just wondering

[@christisdale9977]

Hey Ealan,great video.Thank you so much for in indept explanations.I plan on getting the Denon avr-x4800h and was not sure on how to set the amp assign for the speakers.I feel much more confident in doing it all now.

[@ealanosborne]

Awesome! I’m excited for you to get that x4800h now! 😊🎉

[@ashkamify]

Thank for the informative video. I'm ready to get one but I can't seem to tell if the receiver can support passive speakers in the front and wireless powered speakers in the back.

[@ealanosborne]

For now, the only AVRs that support wireless powered surrounds are the latest Sony models (AN1000, AZ1000ES, AZ3000ES, AZ5000ES, AZ7000ES) depending on your budget.

[@gowthamk5392]

So if LFE+main is selected then LFP is 80Hz so anythng below 80Hz ll go to sub and a copy to frnt mains so in this case some frequencies below which the fronts cannot handle, if sent to frnt mains will damage the speakers right!?! Thought 💭

[@ealanosborne]

It shouldn’t damage the speakers. It just won’t be able to play those lowest frequencies

[@gowthamk5392]

@@ealanosborne 🫡 🫡

[@gowthamk5392]

@@ealanosbornehey onkyo NR7100 or pioneer Lx 304 which ll be bettr!?😊

[@ealanosborne]

@@gowthamk5392 They’re pretty much the same, except that the 7100 is newer, so it supports HDMI 2.1 for better future proofing. 👍

[@gowthamk5392]

@@ealanosborne ok boss 😎

[@ByoeChannel]

I swear that just today I got a marantz 7.2 aand suddenly you upload this.. better timing than ever

[@ealanosborne]

Woohoo! You’re welcome! 😁🤘

[@fonkenful]

Who says the Big Brother algorithm is watching your every purchase move to among other things update your recommended viewing notifications? 😂 I think I’m kidding.

[@rafacq]

Excellent presentation! Very nice to see how Marantz improved the menu system on the new Cinema AVRs. I really liked how much easier it is to turn pre outs on/off. Marantz should release this as a firmware update to the old SR line! Thanks again for a very well made video, it’s loaded with very valuable content.

[@ealanosborne]

Thank you for the kind words! 😊

[@pavelmarchev1468]

Absolutely great video, just got my first AVR and it is the 70s. This is super helpful! In your opinion, will the Dolby Atmos configuration with the front heights sound better and more immersive than using only ear-level configuration with rear backs? Also, how big of a difference in sound quality did you notice by adding the Outlaw power amplifier compared to the internal Marantz amplification? And third: if I play a 9.1 channel source, but I have only 7.1 channel AVR - do I lose the sound from 2 channels or do I somehow get all the 9.1 sound information into the 7.1 channels?

[@ealanosborne]

Having front heights gives this really cool audible illusion that your TV is now massive, so you might like that. Using an external amp definitely improves the overall fidelity and level of detail your speakers can output, since it’s definitely going to be a lot to handle with the internal amps, given that it’s rated at 50 wpc with only 2 channels driven. And which 9.1 source are you referring to? Nowadays anything above 7.1 would either be Atmos or DTS:X which will conform to whatever speaker configuration you have. 👍

[@pavelmarchev1468]

@@ealanosborne Thank you for the reply! I was just wondering what would happen if the source is with a different surround format than my speaker configuration. Lets say I play 9.1 format movies on my 7.1 Marantz - will I lose information from those 9.1 channels from the source for example? That's 2 more channels than what I have, so I guess the sound from 2 of the 9.1 channels will be lost? Or maybe I have only a 2.1 configuration, but I want to play a 5.1 source (a blu-ray movie, a 5.1 surround SACD, or whatever else) - will I lose information from these 3 channels difference (between 5.1 and 2.1)?

[@ealanosborne]

@@pavelmarchev1468 Ah. Gotcha. Yeah, the typical standard before Atmos was 7.1, so you should be good there. But regardless, AVRs should be able to properly up mix and down mix various sources to conform to your speaker layout. They’re pretty smart like that now.

[@pavelmarchev1468]

@@ealanosborne Thanks a lot, exactly what I needed to understand! I thought some sort of virtual surround mixing should exist, so if AVRs have it that's cool!

[@xboxnewbie699]

Is this new update or only comes with 2022 models

[@ealanosborne]

Yeah this is the new interface that comes built in to the new Denon and Marantz models launched in 2022

[@JoshuaRex-ql4nc]

Hi Elan great video I just received my 70s yesterday. If I connect my external integrated amp to power my from L/R speakers, do I connect the L/R speaker cables to the external integrated amp or the 70s? Thanks.

[@ealanosborne]

Congrats! I’m still rocking my 70s in my living room! And yes, connect the 70s and amp with RCA patch cables going from the Front L/R pre outs on the 70s, and connect your speaker wires to the speaker terminals on your integrated amp. 👍

[@petermorris699]

You have HDMI Passthrough wrong. It's the setting where you can turn the Receiver Off but still Passthrough audio and video from the selected source.

[@GaryHuntPianoman]

It’s still does the same thing either way

[@karimd.6951]

Getting my cinema 50 on Friday. I do have a 5.0 setup with 2 nubox 681 as my fronts. Which Amp Assignment do u recommend? Cheers

[@ealanosborne]

Yay! Congrats! 🎉 I’d recommend using the Zone 2 Amp Assign mode, then going into Speaker Config and selecting “no” for subwoofer, since you have a 5.0 setup. 👍

[@karimd.6951]

​@@ealanosborne thanks a lot. Will try it and let u know 🤙🏽

[@karimd.6951]

@@ealanosborne and while not selecting a SW my fronts will b automatically set to 'big', right? I can't put them to small? It's the nubert nubox 681 speakers

[@ealanosborne]

@@karimd.6951 Correct, but according to the specs I saw online, your Nubert floorstanding speakers should be perfectly fine with full bandwidth signals.

[@karimd.6951]

@@ealanosborne thanks buddy. Appreciate your time& feedback. Have a good one

[@blackdawg7778]

Hi Ealan, great informative video. I have just purchased the Marantz Cinema 70 with a 5.1 Monitor Audio Bronze package. I have it all set up and have run the Audyssey calibration and has given me the following levels: Front L/R -6.5dB, Centre -9.5dB, Surround -9.5dB. I have checked these with the dB app and they all read 38dB +/-1dB. So it looks all the levels are matched. The only issue I have is the overall volume coming out the speakers. Basically you need to crank up to the volume to 70 to get a decent “loudness”. Is there anything I can do to increase the volume output, or is this just what I can expect from this amp (being 50W a channel) and therefore would need a pre-to boost performance and output levels. Let us know what you (or any others) what you think. Thanks

[@ealanosborne]

When running Audyssey, what is the main volume level set at? I typically put the Cinema 70S’s main volume output to 50 as a reference level while it’s outputting the test tones/pink noise, etc. But also, -9.5dB is pretty low as it is. I’d maybe just do some math so that you can have your levels closer to 0. So maybe since the Front L/R is 3 dB louder than the rest of the system, I’d maybe set them to +3dB, and the rest to 0 dB. Make sense? Raising the trim levels closer to 0 dB will allow you to not have to raise the main volume level so high to reach decent listening levels. 👍

[@blackdawg7778]

@@ealanosborneSet the levels like you suggested. Yep- sounds awesome now. As good as it is, why do I find myself looking at the Emotiva A3 now… might wait a few weeks/ months before getting one. The wife will never know. I assume you would approve….😂

[@ealanosborne]

@@blackdawg7778 External amps definitely help. But yeah, I’d just enjoy your current setup for a bit until the upgrade bug bites down really hard again. 😂👍

[@blackdawg7778]

@@ealanosborne yep. Will do mate- there is no rush. Will wait a few months before looking into that. Those MA bronze AMS Dolby Atmos speakers look a good upgrade too. Thanks for all your help! Nick, Holmes Chapel (UK) 👍

[@nekerrivera]

Question… is there an option to put the receiver in full pre-amp mode where the internal amps are turned off when using external amplification?

[@ealanosborne]

Pretty much, but it’s no longer called preamp mode like it was with previous versions. Now you can assign sections of speaker outputs to either use the speaker terminal or pre outs. So if you select ALL sections to use pre outs, it basically puts it in preamp mode. 👍

[@nekerrivera]

I really appreciated your fast response and amazing knowledge on this devices lol I purchased the Sony str-AZ5000es and I returned because I didn’t see the option to assign all the speakers to pre-amp mode and now I’m considering the Marantz cinema 50 just because I see your video on how to set it up.

[@brocinco]

As always! Amazing video. This helped me so much. The one thing i wish they did was make the volume display on my tv a bit more subtle. There are time when im watching a movie or playing a game and i have to turn down the volume and that full brightness of the volume just kills my eyese. Its small but my sonys volume and ive seen onkyos have a more subtle volume bar.

[@brocinco]

The speaker configuration section was exactly what i needed! Im no expert and it was so confusing when i saw it. Gonna go modify my settings!

[@tonyr1984]

I have been a Crutchfield customer since the 90's, and I have been planning to buy a Marantz Cinema 70s. I have it on my Crutchfield wishlist, and am waiting for a holiday sale. The 70s would replace my 10 year old SR5008, unless... I could somehow send the 70s pre-amp out to the SR5008 multi-channel input, which would be great. I didn't want to damage the SR5008 by not having line level outputs from the 70s.

[@krisztianberecz3113]

You're amazing. I'm happy to find your channel (thx to TechnoDad :D ). How you explain anything it's fantastic, easy to understand.. Keep going..

[@ealanosborne]

Thanks for the kind words! Truly appreciated! 😁🤘

[@seanprendergast961]

Very detailed. Thank you

[@ealanosborne]

You’re welcome! 🎉

[@NeoDon1]

Hi Ealan I want to set-up 7-1-4 on my Marantz SR7015 and Outlaw 7000x both do to your reviews, thank you. How do I setup for 7 bead level powered by the Outlaw and the Atmos powered by the AVR. What settings in PreAmp do I use PLEASE?

[@ealanosborne]

Amp Assign Mode: 11.1 Floor: 5 & SB Height: 4 CH Pre Out: Front That’s the only assigning you need to do. The other pre outs for your ear level speakers will just be ready to output that signal when you connect them to your Outlaw 7000x. But also, I made a video about this a couple years ago which you can reference, if needs be. Skip to the 11 minute mark. 😃🎉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ-bg2eYlN-lp5Isi=KNOHyET2fziiCtZc

[@Mik.Gor-1978]

Dear! Be so kind, please tell me how to adjust the volume of the av receiver marantz Cinema 70s with Arcam SA10. Thank you so much for the answer, with respect to you from St. Petersburg

[@Mik.Gor-1978]

Respected

[@ealanosborne]

You must first put the Arcam SA10 in Processor Mode so its volume is fixed. At that point, you should be able to adjust the volume of the entire system through the Marantz settings.

[@richardpanacek8432]

Can you plese measure power consumption of CINEMA 70s in just random audio and video scenarios (lets say 4k video and 2.0 and Dobly Atmost as source), while you have all 7 channels Pre-out Only. I want to know how much power PRE-OUT settings save.

[@rizwan4794]

What is input source level should be

[@dimonstreet29]

Hi Elan, I want to configure 5.1.2 on the Marantz sr 6015, which way should I choose 7.1 + zone 2 or 9.1

[@ealanosborne]

Might as well go with 7.1 + Zone 2 since you’re dealing with 7 channels of audio + a subwoofer. 👍

[@dimonstreet29]

@@ealanosborne thx ! how can I disconnect zone 2 to connection 7.1?

[@ealanosborne]

@@dimonstreet29 Zone 2 only goes into effect if you purposely set it up by taking the necessary steps within the software. Otherwise, it’s just there not doing anything, “waiting” for you to set it up if you so choose. 👍

[@TheVekize]

I have an issue with my brand new Denon x4800h... I can't find the way to upscale from 1080 p to 4K for my dish service .. And yes, my TV is 4k capable... My old Denon x2700h did it super easy because I/p scaler... What are my options now???

[@ealanosborne]

Hmmmm, strange! I guess just double check that the output settings aren’t weirdly turned off when it should be turned to “auto.” Settings > Video > Output Settings > HDMI Upscaler manuals.denon.com/AVCX4800H/EU/EN/GFNFSYmlxuhedk.php#OKNRMLpjzpggwf

[@luigipicariello4453]

Is it ok for sr7009?

[@ealanosborne]

The Cinema line has this new graphic user interface, so it would be quite different with previous versions.

[@fonkenful]

As this is a lengthy video, I may well comment throughout the run time as questions come to mind. First one is that as the sample receiver Cinema 70 is paradoxically the entry level of the new series, there may well be folks choosing it for more practical size and who already have several power amps in their collection. I assume that the DSP would be agnostic as to at whether any combination of internal amp channels and RCA line outputs that might be used to feed higher power external amps. I’ve done that with three successive receivers (Denon & Onkyo) using internal amp stages for only the surround channels. This substantially reduces the load on internal power supply, which to my mind is always a good thing. In the Bi-amp mode, is there the option for digital crossover of the front mains channels for DIYers such as myself with loudspeakers intentionally lacking internal passive networks for this exact implementation. One of my previous Onkyos had that exact function, and it was very convenient when experimenting with different two way speaker builds. Not quite as flexible in terms of slope rates and parametric EQ as full fledged DSP components such as miniDSP, but essentially a free functionality, and doesn’t require a laptop for setup. Until I bite the bullet and campaign with SWMBO to cut holes in the ceiling for Atmos, I’m stuck with a 5.1.2 configuration. Having just sprung for a pretty good deal on a new LG 77B2 OLED, that might be a while yet 😊

[@fonkenful]

OK, I see that you did address part of my above comments at around the 39 minute mark - just my impatience at work. 😊

[@ealanosborne]

I didn’t notice a digital crossover feature. When it comes to manual DSP adjustments, the Cinema 70s is pretty basic, which isn’t surprising. 🤷‍♂️ The extent of any DSP adjustments is the fact that it has a parametric EQ where you can raise or lower the dB levels of fixed frequencies. Although you can’t change the frequency or Q factor, so it’s pretty basic. You would indeed need a MiniDSP to make any real custom DIY changes. Womp womp 🫠

[@fonkenful]

One final question - re the Sub outs. It doesn’t appear they’re independent on the 70, but I believe at some point in the new Mosimo product series, they do become so. Would you be able to provide an addendum to run down the additional setup steps for that?

[@fonkenful]

@@ealanosborne Thanks, Ealon for the reply and your very well articulated rundown. As noted above, my marginal ADHD got the better of me, and I could have watched the entire press before piping up🤭

[@ealanosborne]

@@fonkenful Beyond the Cinema 70s, I sure hope to get my hands on a Cinema 50 or 40, because there are some additional setups I’d like to cover like Auro 3D with a Voice of God speaker, etc. 🤞🤞

[@abritablondeabike]

Interesting. I had my subs set to 120 hz as recommended. But you make much more sense. 80hz all round should work better. Ty. 👍👍

[@ealanosborne]

I mean technically the LFE channel crosses over at 120 Hz typically, but I’ve found I enjoy the more balanced sound of everything crossing over at 80 Hz. THX knows, man… 😄🤘

[@abritablondeabike]

Hopefully, it's the reason music sounds so gutless. My cinema 40 is great. But it has left me underwhelmed.

[@craigosterberg5045]

Thanks for the lessons

[@ealanosborne]

You’re welcome, Craig! 😁🎉

[@ojvera76]

I have my Marantz Cinema 60 connected to a 4K TV Box, a Google Chromecast TV 4K and an Oppo Blu-Ray player. TV is an LG Oled B7 series (2017). I am struggling with the Video/HDMI setup. I want the Marantz to be able to switch the video/audio to the desired input, without turning itself on unless I manually turn it on. TV is in my living room, so my children and wife are normally using the system, but most of the time we don't want the audio to come from the speakers. The TV has a separate feature to avoid sending the CEC signal to power On/Off other HDMI-CEC capable equipment but it is the only one having this option. Right now, every time we power on the Google Chromecast TV, it powers on the Marantz and I need to manually turn it off. It is annoying. What settings would you recommend me trying, if you are so kind to share? Thanks!

[@ealanosborne]

In the Video section of the settings, basically you need to turn on HDMI Passthrough, then RC Source Select needs to be changed to Source Select Only. manuals.marantz.com/CINEMA60/EU/EN/GFNFSYkabkahie.php

[@utjoseywales]

I'm watching your video while trying to adjust my Marantz Cinema 70s and I don't see the same menu to make these adjustments. Am I doing something wrong? I'm primarily asking because I have two front Polk Reserve R700 towers as part of my 5.1 system, but nothing I've tried thus far allows these towers to assume any responsibility for the bass. Granted, I do have an RSL SpeedWoofer 12S to handle the low end, but the fact that these towers seem to do nothing in the bass area (at all, and I know for a fact that they can I just cannot find the right setting the the Marantz setup menu) is truly pissing me off. Can you or anyone else out there help with this?

[@ealanosborne]

I would maybe start with the crossovers. The R700 speakers’ frequency response goes down to 38 Hz, so I’d set their specific crossover to 50 Hz and see if you get more bass from them.

[@ArmandoAcosta-l1f]

Can anyone help me with this? I cannot get the screen from the Moran unit that shows the set up menu on my TV.

[@ealanosborne]

Sometimes you have to “prime” the on-screen display by going to another video source like a Blu-ray player menu or streaming device (AppleTV, for example). Try that.

[@ArmandoAcosta-l1f]

Thank you for your help I will try it merry Christmas

[@Chevalierjay]

Osborne老师你好，最近天龙功放更新了系统固件，现在取消了speaker configuration，可以直接在crossover frequency里设定是选full range还是特定的某个hz了，我刚开始还不知道，找了半天speaker configuration都找不到在哪儿，amp assign里也没有对应small/large的选项😂😂😂

[@Chevalierjay]

Osborne老师，谷歌翻译会把天龙翻译成tianlong，但其实应该是denon

[@ealanosborne]

Oh! Thank you for informing me of this! I will look into it! 👍

[@karimd.6951]

Suddenly I can't connect my mobile via Bluetooth to the cinema 50. Bluetooth can't just find it. Bluetooth transmitter is grey I can't select it. But there are no other devices paired to the avr

[@ealanosborne]

Hmmm, not sure. Could be a number of factors. Did you recently update your phone’s OS? Maybe the Cinema 50 came out with a firmware update and there’s suddenly a Bluetooth bug? Maybe restart your phone just in case? 🤷‍♂️

[@karimd.6951]

@@ealanosborne I tried everything. With the iPhones of the family members it's easy going. My android does nothing 🤣. Firmware update for c50 is done also. Guess that's not normal. Yesterday was working fine

[@ealanosborne]

@@karimd.6951 Sheesh! Yeah, that’s a head scratcher for sure! 🤔

[@54tristin]

You have created a very comprehensive manual. But I think there is a lot of repetition which can make you difficult to follow

[@alwayspushing2031]

BASX A11 hmmmmmmmm

[@georgestephens2038]

you almost needs a degree in electronics to operator this rec'v