Eddie Howe - Has his stock risen or fallen as Newcastle United manager? | TF Podcast

Si is joined by Sam Dalling, Stephen Ord and Yousef Hatem to have an honest discussion about the manager:
• Has anybody’s view changed on Howe after a more challenging second (full) season?
• Are there particular areas of concern that weren’t there before?
• Next season - what will he achieve? What does he need to achieve?
Lots to get into and another emotive subject this week. Doesn’t mean any we want rid of Howe, just a good time to reflect on the job so far!
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[@geordiedog1749]

Napoleon Bonaparte once said “God fortune hides the true genius of a general while adversity reveals it”. (I think he was paraphrasing Horace: 'Adversity reveals genius, prosperity conceals it. Anyway….) This is how I see last season. You really can’t underestimate the impact of our injury crisis and the way it drained the energy out of the whole squad. Eddie did a genuinely fantastic job navigating the season on depleted resources. Anyone in the know will have recognised this.

[@earthlingcarl3179]

Don't get the hate towards Pardew from Ord when he's been one of our best managers in the last 20 years. Very harsh imo.

[@jdevlin1910]

He did what he could and didn't pretend to be something he wasn't. He also cherished the opportunity, loved being here and still talks fondly about us now. Never be everyone's favourite but I never had an issue with him. Hell, he made Ashley years a tad more bearable and that took some effort.

[@jensgardetun5629]

In game management, loyalty towards players and a lack of rotation are Howe's weaknesses and he needs to sort em this season. HWTL!

[@MarkWeir-cr5tk]

Eddie may have made mistakes during last season but you learn about people in tough times and for me he came through extremely strong and achieved ahead of what may be expected with squad and issues. Not often mentioned, when we qualified for CL, it was during a season with a huge mid season break for world cup- which helped us hugely. No better manager available for Newcastle unless you get Klopp, Pep or Carlo. He also loves being our manager and is in tune with our club

[@earthlingcarl3179]

He's still quality but if we are anywhere near mid-table or lower come Christmas and he'll be in big trouble.

[@jdevlin1910]

Howe deserves the upcoming season of course but it is a big one for him. I like him, hope he does well, but I do have concerns about our injuries and his / the coaching teams responsibility for them and his ability to affect games in positive ways. He's still learning, great, let's see him fix these issues then I'll know he has learned.

[@davidwebster5946]

The big takeaway from me is that fans have completely lost the plot talking about Eddie Howe underachieving this season, getting 7th with the players we had available. Even with a fully fit squad I am sorry but we do not have a top 6 side. We have 5 elite players and the rest are average to good. The big 6 all have more elite players available it's not even close.

[@TheIncredibleBeard_]

Football is about moments and to succeed you need to win the big ones. On average, we are a good side and (for arguments sake) a top 8 team. What we aren't is a team that can turn up for the big moments that win you trophies or get you into Europe. This to me is the only question mark about Howe - does he have it in him to create a team that can turn up for 'that' game that really matters.

[@tomruddell9099]

The league position masked over the obvious failing with our management and coaching. We have some elite players who constantly dug us out.

[@davidwebster5946]

@@tomruddell9099 sorry but what on earth are you talking about? We have a squad filled with the likes of Kraft, Murphy, Miggy, Dubravka and Longstaff. We are not an elite side.

[@davidwebster5946]

@@TheIncredibleBeard_ I agree we are a top 8 side (on the lower end of that scale). We have the 9th highest wage bill in the league with 5 sides having double the budget we do. What else do people expect? Unless the Saudis can find a way to level the financial playing field this is our level. A new manager has more chance of taking us down the league than helping us climb it. Clearly some fans learned absolutely nothing from sacking Sir Bobby for finishing 5th

[@tomruddell9099]

@@davidwebster5946 mate, I watched teams at the bottom of the league walk through us with ease all season. Players run into the ground, terrible in game management. Over loyalty to players. I could go on

[@dansnowden9147]

Si makes the point about not having the time on the training pitch to introduce young players - he changed almost the full team and won away at Man U. If there was ever a realisation of how important of rotating the team it was then. So that point is another nonsense one. Lewis Hall had played 8 prem games the season before at Chelsea against the best teams in the league even playing at SJP. When you are playing a CB with an ACL and a CB playing LB getting roasted each week, shopping goals for fun - it completely voids any suggestion that a younger, far more talented player should’nt play. No matter how creative you 3 want to be with your excuses, that point is also nonsense. And playing a CB who has an ACL is far far beyond just concerning

[@jr9channel]

Nice.. Wonderful..

[@kevinmoore9196]

I think he has learned a lot, last season was really tough. I think this season we have to try to make that one final step and win a trophy, otherwise he could well be on his way.

[@Jules220965]

Si Campbell sums it up perfectly.Eddie is Absolutely right and I Think Owners still back him by trusting him in infrastructure that is in place he not just a head coach he’s a Manager look what he done At Bournemouth.

[@parallaxview6770]

Relegation

[@johnadair8850]

Are Any English Coaches Any Good What Have They Won ..

[@terrym61]

Saying that “He got no backing in the January transfer window “sounds as if we were the only ones.Nobody got any backing

[@Jules220965]

Think u been harsh very harsh he doing incredible job with still some average players not yet all his squad it’s all about option. He still learning and puts pressure on himself more time required and still way the right man for us rather him than plenty others. Steve ord sums it up we are way starved of success that’s the problem .

[@stevenphillips4494]

While I’m sure not many want to see Howe replaced, it has to be said that some of his tactical decisions and refusal to take players out of the team at times left a sour taste in the mouth. Baffling at times and beyond frustrating.. Si Campbell will contort himself into a pretzel seeing only the positives in everything Howe has achieved.. a total and utter contrast to his views under Bruce, where anything and everything was a negative. Howe has a huge season ahead, he needs to be more proactive in games and his selections have to be better .. there can be no excuses if we are to become contenders

[@levstone415]

Yousef's views that he works for us and we owe him nothing - so it works the other way around and another club can offer him more money or England come calling and he is welcome to leave.

[@MarkWheeler-og4rf]

We over achieve with 3 or 4 quality players,issue i have with Eddie is not ruthless enough and some players he favored let him down( Trippier,Burn,Miggy,Dubravka

[@MarkWheeler-og4rf]

Long time Newcastle fan in Cayman Islands,problem team has is competing in an unfair league,were not allow to spend resources they have have,Geography

[@MarkWheeler-og4rf]

Doesn't help in terms of attracting quality players and inheriting a Championship team

[@geordiedog1749]

Sam is missing a very important point. I would ask him why he thinks Eddie is keeping the players? What are his reasons? If anyone thinks he’s just being a mate or not being ruthless or even just being avoidant of the bad vibe of letting players go I think they have got a very erroneous view of the senior management and how they are set up, what their goals are and what performance indicators hang over them. The club is run by grown ups now. Eddie is a very consummate pro and suggesting he suffers from favouritism is a cheap shot or an unfounded one. Yousef seems to be quoting from his A level Business Study text book. If you’ve ever had to manage a team, any team over a period of time you’ll know that the common criticism is that you didn’t change something quickly enough. This is pure hindsightism and poor perspicacity. Changing things too quickly is equally fatal. You can’t bring players back on for a start. Once you make a change it’s done. Also, making too many changes too often is disruptive. Having a plan B is essential but it has to be a ‘plan’ and not a panic move or a speculative punt.

[@krispell8174]

Two sets of adverts in the first 9mins. I’m out

[@RH2930]

What a farce and silly question to ask

[@Kaz-444]

This transfer window has become a shit show getting linked with players no one wants always injured! Fff stupid this taking a step back now we need quality to compete not dcl and Pedro Neto James Telford eee becoming a joke letting minteh go to gain 10 mil while we spunk it on players like dcl who wears lasses clothes and handbags hahahha staring to get worried now like

[@parallaxview6770]

Not an elite manager and never will be

[@Jules220965]

If we get another manager does not say we will win some times u need luck too .

[@tomruddell9099]

The weirdest thing for me is that Eddie has a cult like worshiping it’s bizarre. He should be judged the same as anyone else in top level sport. He made clear mistakes last season and just reminds me of Southgate. I hope he takes the England job as he doesn’t deserve that sack but is not the man to take us forward in my opinion. Happy for people to disagree though but it doesn’t make you more of a supporter 😴

[@levstone415]

You say 'clear mistakes' and I say clear successes in terms of avoiding relegation, coaching and improving players, his win record, doing well in cup competitions ( despite lots of away matches), his buy record is good... Agree some games we have looked awful but even in those I am unsure whether it was our players weren't in form (coming back from long injuries) or Eddie making a mistake?

[@GryphLane]

Or maybe these so-called "cultists" know something you don't?

[@tomruddell9099]

@@GryphLane not really, I’m open to opinions being different it’s the way it’s always been. I don’t think Eddie is the man long term but if I say that I get called a plastic fan etc. that’s my point. Same with Southgate, overall he’s done brilliant but do I want someone else… absolutely. I can think he’s done a good job but also think we need someone better at the same time

[@dansnowden9147]

@@GryphLaneexplain to me what has given you the confidence that Eddie is the man to win big games and bring a trophy to the club? That’s where we are now. Time to win. This season we’ll be setting up with the most incredible midfield of Bruno (hopefully), Joelinton and Tonali. Comfortably one of the best in the league and to have those players without European football is unheard of. So he has to win. Let’s see who is proved right. Must Howe lovers imo and just happy to have change from Ashley years and not be battling relegation. Few if any I’ve spoken to I’d describe is highly knowledgeable ball fans

[@tomruddell9099]

@@dansnowden9147 Joelinton Bruno and Tonali didn’t work before the ban.