Oil Consumption Update - 2019 Ford F150 5.0L

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So in today's video I'll be taking you through Ford's 19-2365 TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) that fixed the Oil Consumption issue on my 2019 Ford F150 with the 5.0L v8 engine.
Now as mentioned later in the video, the 1st thing you want to do is replace the Factory passenger side PCV valve with an EV281 PCV Valve (from 2015+ Mustang GT's) as this PCV valve has a cross section built into it, which is supposed to restrict the crankcase pressure venting through the valve. This method has (on some 5.0L F150's) fixed the oil consumption issue.
If that doesn't work (which it didn't on mine) then take the truck into your dealership for the 19-2365 TSB.
They'll change your oil and filter at no cost (because a TSB is covered under warranty).
If your truck was built before October 2019, they'll replace the dipstick on your engine, with a longer one, that not only increases the operating range, but will more accurately read the correct amount of oil, in the engines crankcase.
One of the issues was that some trucks had a dipstick that was too short, which gave an inaccurate oil capacity reading, thus causing the engine to be overfilled with oil.
The next thing they do is reprogram the PCM (Powertrain Control Module) to limit how much the throttle plate closes on deceleration.
The throttle plate closed too much, which increased the vacuum pressure in the top end of the engine, which caused oil to be sucked back into the intake manifold.
This, paired with excessive oil capacity, caused what has now been referred to as "Oil Consumption."
Once the oil was in the intake manifold, it was then distributed into the cylinders, through the intake valves. The end result was oil being burned off during the combustion process.
My truck "Consumed" approximately 1qt (1L) of 5w20 Synthetic oil every 1000km's.
I had the 19-2365 TSB done at 5000km's, and haven't noticed any oil consumption since. With the truck currently sitting at 8600km's.
If my truck still had the oil consumption issue, it most likely would've consumed an additional 3.6qts of oil by now.
This issue is considered fixed for now, but if I notice any changes, I'll be sure to make another update video!
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[@edmaloney8217]

Owner of a 2019 f150 5.0. I was experiencing these same issues with my 5.0. This video gave me the knowledge to explain to my local dealer to have fixed.

[@Conhig61]

Thanks for making this make sense. My 2018 doesnt burn oil and I wondered why, based on all that i had read. Now I understand. Ford should pay royalties to you for calming most of us down!

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@standhd]

Excellent job with your presentation! You even did a kilometers to miles conversion when you described your OCI. Nicely done!

[@joshgust32]

Really liked the logical explanation of why the dipstick replacement was part of the fix. "The problem wasn't exactly oil consumption, but Excess oil consumption." +1

[@robertouimet3027]

Wow, you could show a thing or two to these Dealers Service Department, great thanks for sharing! 👍

[@terramonde]

Love my 19 Lariat! Ford replaced the engine at 50k miles after 3 visits. along with the oil consumption it had quite a bit of pinging noise upon acceleration 😳. Don’t know what accelerated their decision to replace the engine but it was quick and painless. Dealership provided a brand new f150 loaner and truck running great 11 months later with no glitches to talk about.

[@hdz12ez]

I had the same issue on my 2018, had the tsb and the PCV replaced at the same time from my dealer. That was about 14,000 miles ago and the oil consumption is no longer an issue. I also run an oil separator and it collects about the same amount as yours is. Good video!

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching, and glad to hear the PCV solved your issue!

[@kimdavis5631]

OMG, your clarity of explanation is great!

[@BEOBIGEVILONLINE]

You explained this better than my service guy at Ford did last week.

[@esan0715]

Thank you for the info. I was considering upgrading my 2015, for a 2018. The concern for many has been the oil consumption, but after watching your video, I may proceed... Thank you again

[@EliminatorPerformance]

I would recommend a late model 2019, if you're spending the money. Or just wait another year if you can afford and buy a 2020 in 2023 etc... The 2018s have their own line of issues. Lots of them sorted out by 2019.

[@scottmiller7284]

Checked my oil today on 2018 5.0 and noticed it was unusually low...hence leads to me to finding this video. Only 72 thousand kms on it had me puzzled. Thank you so much for this video. Ready had it in for the abnormal shifting and front rattling

[@rainohhell7365]

Please explain the rattling . I think I may have a rattling

[@seanp7180]

Thats your timing chain. Get some oil in it. ​@rainohhell7365

[@InaElly]

I’ve been looking for a well explained what’s going on with my 2018. Very well done!!!

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@ssgred9169]

@@EliminatorPerformance have u had any tranny problem my hits in 4 and 7 but most of the time switch's smooth

[@EliminatorPerformance]

@@ssgred9169 occasionally it skips 3 and goes 2-4 or something like that, but other than that, nothing really. When I drive it cold I notice it shifts hard, but once it heats up (literally a block away) it runs great. I drive it in sport mode though, so if I drove in normal mode it wouldn't do that most likely.

[@ssgred9169]

@@EliminatorPerformance yea I leave in normal mode I'll try sport out thanks

[@scottwidrick1835]

Thanks for the update. My concern is the long term effects like the intake and converter as well.

[@cwqrpportable]

You're good, really good. Your presentation style is absolutely excellent. I learned a lot today thanks to you. Thanks!

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@googleuser4799]

This was the best explanation and video out there I watched on this issue.

[@07slowbalt]

Im way late to seeing your video but this is 100% the right fix for oil consumption. I had this done here in the states last year after the first tsb failed. The new dipstick, and throttle body tune was exactly the issue. My truck which i run extremely hard still doesnt burn oil. I drive it alot in manual mode, peg the limiter a few times a week. Race anyone i can for the fun of it and my truck still doesn't burn a drop of oil. After watching your video it helps explain what the tune actually did to the throttle body. I was told it did something slightly different from the service rep but i believe now he was mis-spoken. Very thorough explanation and a great video "subbed". Now if you have a video or have one coming out for an exhaust solenoid rattle issue let me know because ford is dragging their feet on fixing my truck and i believe thats the issue thanks to another mechanic on youtube!

[@EliminatorPerformance]

The rattle you're hearing is from the cam phaser and timing chain. On the 2018+ 5.0 the engines have direct fuel injection, and the direct injection pump is ran by the exhaust cam on the passenger side of the engine. At low rpm, the oil pump is only making about 20-30psi and it's not enough pressure to overcome the load that's placed on the exhaust cam, so you hear the slight rattle. The only way to solve this is to increase the rpm, which would be raising the idle speed of the engine. You can also run a heavier weight oil (5w30-5w50 for tuned engines) and also slightly overfill the oil pan by about a half quart. This will help the vcty system to always have oil.

[@07slowbalt]

@@EliminatorPerformance ive taken it in for timing chain "slap" because thats what i originally thought it was but that was a dead end with the dealer. A ford tech on youtube has shown that a factory out of spec exhaust solenoid rattles under off throttle blips. Anywhere from 40mph down small blips of the throttle i hear the rattle noise the second i let off the gas. Its done it for 3 years now since it was new and has been in the shop at least 3x now for it with no resolve. They just put a shim kit between the flywheel and torque converter to fix said issue which did nothing but cause the transmission to sound like a tesla (no joke). I get the same run around story saying they cant duplicate it even though i had a tech sit in my passenger seat and he heard it, Its bullsh*t.

[@bonekollektor1659]

Had the same thing done on my 2019 5.0. Problem solved! Excellent video!

[@jagenarmory2862]

Probably the best presentation/explanation of this issue that I have seen, yet. No opinions, just facts and laid out in a way extremely east to understand. Well done.

[@camerontaylor7848]

Very well put together video, extremely informative. Subscribed as I found your method of description very useful. Thank you

[@coyotef150surfer7]

Well done! Thanks. I had the TSB done last year and fixed the oil consumption. No biggie, this engine is solid.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@kingdommusic5456]

exactly 5.0 coyote is solid ..buy 5.0 lots of power , gets decent mpg . 2.7 and 3.5 may bet better MPG but More parts, turbos, controllers, lines , gasket areas, etc etc etc etc to motor the more links their are to fail~real simple, and turbos are major failure points , hot city / driving conditions eat them, doesnt matter how much extra cooling etc , If you buy ford the 5.0 over this motor is better in long run even though it drinks more gas, the cost of broken 2.7/ 3.5 repairs exceeds gas mileage/ costs of 5.0 coyote

[@watchmanonthewall14]

Wow. Excellent presentation. I am not a mechanic, and I'd consider my mechanical aptitude to be average at best. But this was so well done that I actually understood the entire process quite easily. And it's very interesting. I am curious to know just how much less gas mileage you are getting after this fix.

[@Jlaudiomustangs10]

Thanks for the best explanation I've heard yet👍

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@JCGray52]

Excellent Video!!! Thank you for that well thought out and informative presentation! I've been struggling with this issue for nearly 3 years now and fortunately I leased my 2018 F-150 5.0L Coyote. My main issue is that I would have purchased this truck at lease end if it were not for the oil consumption issue and all the potential damage that may already have been done. Like you mentioned below, your catalytic convertor became clogged. My UPS mechanic friend who was a Ford mechanic before coming to UPS checked with all his current Ford mechanic friends and recommended that I simply turn in the truck at lease end. They feel that this is a band-aid fix with potential issues coming later in the life of the engine. FWIW, I just ordered and will lease a new F-150 in June. Trying out the 2.7L EcoBoost with payload package. Excellent torque for my towing and hauling needs.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching, sorry to hear about the 18, but good luck with the new 2.7!

[@billstriegel4357]

Well, I’ve had this issue w my 5.0 since 2011. Bought the oil catch can and empty it every few months. Yes, it’s full. It’s been using oil since I bought it. The dealer said all new trucks use oil. Hope to do this PSB on my truck as well. By the way has 160,000 miles on it. Was thinking of putting a new engine in it. Perhaps I won’t have to now.

[@frandanco6289]

@@billstriegel4357 - Reality is that NO, all new trucks do NOT use oil... My new 2022 Ranger Lariat with the 2.3L ecoboost came with the oil just below the top hole on the dipstick and it has not moved at almost 2,000 miles of as much freeway driving as possible... I changed the oil and filter at 1,200 miles and the level at just below the top hope in the stick is still there, almost 800 miles later... I have never had vehicles that just "use" oil... No...

[@SuperSwole92]

Thanks for this video, I’m about to buy a 2019 5.0 and will make sure the TSB is done before I sign

[@EliminatorPerformance]

It may not even have the issue, but definitely get a warranty with it honestly for the extra thousand or 2 it's so worth it.

[@tatoweb]

They did TSB almost a year ago on mine and it did not work. Don't buy it.

[@thefrexanengineer]

You explained this to perfection. Super interesting video. You just gained a subscriber!

[@user-ej9jq2zf1y]

I stumbled upon this video and found it very intriguing and interesting to listen to the explanation of the oil consumption issue! What you say exactly makes sense! I have an 2018 F-150, but mine is a wimp 2.7 liter V6 🙂

[@williemitchell9943]

Great Job thanks for the information i have a 2019 xlt.

[@jwgbmp40]

The catch can pulls out the moisture, inevitably there is a little oil with it. In my ecoboost i typically got 8 to 12 onces every 1500 miles. Just bought a 19 5.ol thx for the info.

[@mattmidili4350]

Ford really let me down on this one, have only ever had Ford pickups, It’ll be fixed for free of course but now when I look at it I look at it with disgust. Anywho I’ll get off my soapbox. Keep up with the quality content.

[@Priority57]

Oil catch can do work but you need to monitor it during the winter season as water can fill up quickly.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yup condensation from short trips too when the engine doesn't heat up. I drain about 1oz per 5000miles

[@Rick-tt6yq]

Great video by the way...extremely informative.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@dough3208]

Excellent info , my friends 2018 5.0 was down 2.5 liters at his oil change so he might have to get this fix.

[@SaltyDog711]

Very well explained. Thank you for taking the time.

[@JaronPope]

Bro, this was a awesome explanation. Thank you so much.

[@jonny-6515]

EXCELLENT VIDEO!!!! I was just 3 quarts low. But now everything makes sense. I thought I was BURNING it off in a sense. But I was using my shifter to keep higher RPMS. Not I know how the PCV works.

[@sojourner2013]

I have the same setup. My catch can oill is very black and I take short trips. Great video. Thanks

[@billkrause4585]

About the brown milkshake color in the oil, I agree it's moisture in the oil due to short distance drive. I drive my 02 Ford Ranger 4.0L engine only 3,000 miles a year, and that's short drives, 2 miles to and from to the Grocer or to play the lottery. I change my oil after the cold season (May 1st) and again before the winter (November 1st). I don't burn any oil in my truck, which has 174,000 miles on it. I hear the best recommended engine to get in F150 is the 5.0 Liter. That's what I would get next, if I weren't so old. My truck cost $19,000 new, and I got to drive it 19 years. Most people would have owned 4 or 5 vehicles in that time span. Ha! Did you hear GMC now has a 4 cylinder DIESEL truck that gets 37 MPG ... Very interesting, worth looking into.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yea Ford's pushing the 3.0L Diesel and also this new hybrid in 2021. They also have a revised 5.0L in the trucks too so it's technically a 4th generation coyote engine because it now has cylinder deactivation lol goes down to 4 cylinders. Worse than auto start stop in my opinion.

[@user-ry6xl7pn7i]

So you are saying that some dipstick put in the wrong dipstick at the factory. Great video, thanks.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yes that's exactly what I was told from the tech and have read on the forums, comparing trucks some were shorter. Thanks for watching!

[@Rick-tt6yq]

I have a 2019 with 5.0. No oil consumption on mine...loving it!

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Good to hear!

[@patrickwendling6759]

WOW.. I thought someone was draining my oil and messing with me,, I have a 2020 F-150 5 O, always low on oil, no signs of leaks, thought maybe the yellow plastic drain plug was the problems bc I don't care for that design,, no signs of burning, and it takes 10 quarts to fill it.. you answered all my questions..

[@uplandknight5782]

Excellent and informative vid!!! Well done.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@uplandknight5782]

@@EliminatorPerformance are you in the GTA?

[@recon7thfury]

Thanks so much for the video!! Will get the update on my truck 😎

[@thunderroad7289]

My 2013 5.0 has 302000 miles miles on it and still runs great and zero oil burning problems

[@bigwoodn1]

And this video was about oil consumption in a 2018, 2019 5.0.

[@JOSERODRIGUEZ-zq5ib]

​@@bigwoodn1he's just saying his doesnt compared to the newer 2018 and up 🤣

[@rshettle123]

If the problem was an overfill condition by one quart, then consumption should have stopped after losing one quart but that case with many. Consumption continued. The TSB did help some folks, but not all.

[@6mrsatan]

Outstanding thanks for this. I just wish ford would send out this info when they know they exist

[@waynestefinashen239]

Nicely explained, well done and looking forward to see the John Deere work next week.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@00phoenix100]

Best explanation of the process of "oil consumption" On a 5.0 coyote.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@davidescobar4397]

Best knowledge based video. Great job

[@marklaps7533]

Great video. I have a 2018 F150 with the oil consumption issue. I had TSB-19-2365 performed and did not fix the issue. Since my last oil change it consumed almost 2 quarts of oil in 5000 miles. I took the truck to the dealer last week for an oil change and they marked the dip stick. Now I have to bring back every 1000 miles for them to inspect the consumption. I'm surprised the TSB didn't replace the PCV. I haven't done that and not sure I should at this point.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

The PCV valve is only replaced when they perform the short or long block replacement. I'm not sure why they would change the PCV valve there and not during the TSB for the ECU reprogram to adjust the throttle body position.

[@marklaps7533]

@@EliminatorPerformance yeah. Good point. Interesting. Since you seem to have good knowledge of this issue, wanted to ask another question. Would a muffler swap affect oil consumption in any way? For example, swapping the factory muffler for a Flowmaster 40? Resonator still in line.

[@FordBossMe]

Ok so we need to talk about your dipstick explanation The window was opened to 2 qts and dipstick slightly lengthened to monitor the consumption and see how bad it is before determining - does it need a cylinder head or heads - does it need a short block - does it need a long block It has 0 to do with overfilling with oil, I have a video out showing the exact aide by side differences The top hole is the same, the bottom hole is different and the dipstick overall is lengthened a bit to be able to read that 2nd qt It had nothing to do with overfilling or faulty Lube techs and simply for monitoring the rate at which the vehicle is consuming oil and so the customer doesn't freak out when they don't see oil on the dipstick

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yea these 3rd gen 5.0s definitely have a bunch of different issues, and the TSB solves consumption for some of them, so the excessive vacuum issue during decel was definitely an issue. However, there's also valve guides or seals, the plasma lined cylinders causing issues, piston rings not seating properly, and then like you said, the cylinder heads themselves. Another thing to look at is the 5w20 oil they use primarily for fuel mileage ratings. A 5w30 or even a 5w40 is best on these engines, it'll help with limiting consumption. Hell even the performance pack Mustangs use 5w50. I found that the ev281 pcv valve out of the mustang, and the TSB definitely helped with my consumption. The weird thing is, the mustang ev281 PCV valve is only updated when the block is replaced, as it's not listed in the 19-2365 TSB. As for the dipstick length, it was increased yes, but I was told by a tech that some trucks did in fact have too short a dipstick which lead to over filling the oil capacity in some trucks. It made sense that extra oil and excessive vacuum would cause consumption. I was just relaying the information I was given. They did for sure increase the range on the hash marks, but when these trucks are consuming 1qt per thousand miles/kms it's not hard to track consumption. What's not mentioned in this video, is about 150kms after I posted this, I had to replace the catalytic converters under warranty because they were completely fouled. This truck still only has 15,000kms (9300 miles) on it. I read that Motorcraft 5w30 would not void my power train warranty, as it's warranty approved for this engine, but I'm wondering if a 5w40 would? Maybe you can answer that one. I'm trying to get the most out of this engine, but I do have a 10yr ultimate warranty, so I'm not worried if it ends up needing a block down the road.

[@jackfielding6194]

I have a 14 5.0 in my FX4 currently with 90kms on it.i run synthetic oil and do not use oil between changes.engine runs perfect.the idea of a catch can seems like a good idea after seeing what has been collected.

[@JOSERODRIGUEZ-zq5ib]

so your 2014 Ford f150 5.0 doesnt burn oil at all because i have a 2013 cadillac escalade ext and it doesnt burn oil at all and i like the ford f150 5.0 platinum because of how spacious it is compared to my Cadillac escalade ext 🤦‍♂️

[@albertogorrin2860]

Great video as usual, thanks! I have a 2020 F150, 5.0 Roush with Supercharger, I decided to use an UPR can rather than the JBL due to the can collection design seemingly a better internal system. My question refer to this cans having different in and out of the can outlets, and both manufacturers referring to the third hose connection going to the back of the block as unnecessary to use. Should I change the PCV valve on my Roush. Any thoughts? Thanks

[@EliminatorPerformance]

I honestly have no idea about a 3rd hose. On mine I just have the intake and output, so valve cover then jlt can, then intake port. The Facebook forums are great for these questions though, check it out: facebook.com/groups/F150PerformanceTrucks/?ref=share

[@themowerman]

Good video bud.. oh to have a 5lit engine over here.. hope you and the old man are doing ok..

[@waynestefinashen239]

Old Man doing well Mick at 72 noticing a little stiffness in the joints from shovelling snow. Best to your family also.

[@themowerman]

@@waynestefinashen239 ta mate.. wow 72 and still doing it good on ya man

[@johnambro7181]

I have a 2018 5.0 and zero oil consumption issues. It took three re-flashes of the computer to make it drivable,( cold idle overlap and tranny management) but other than that it's been a solid performer. Well done and informative vid will get the pcv upgrade as well as the catch can mod. Thanks' and cheers.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Redlash to OEM or a custom tune? Some shifting tunes are rough I've heard, mine is great, but they don't like to run cold.

[@johnambro7181]

@@EliminatorPerformance That was the problem to a tee, and clunking when cold starting. Also a high idle when warm.

[@MyProjectsFL]

Interesting issues. My 2013 seems to run pretty good, doesn't have many issues, even at 189,000 miles and my '02 sold back in 2016 had 244,000 miles and did consume some oil, but nearing a 1/4 million miles, it wasn't bad at all. What's funny is that these issues are largely artifical, meaning, it's really not the engine at all consuming the oil, but rather sort of outside sources, like wrong dipstick and a weird adjustment on the throttle. Also, I'm wondering if I need an oi separator or catch system on my turbo Bronco?🤔 I have messed with tons of mileage breaks for oil changes, but i have settled on 5000 mile intervals because it's older and I also tow about 10-15% of it's driving life. I figured that counted as extreme duty. Good video.

[@kimdavis5631]

This is good news. Thank you.

[@brianmurphy5364]

Excellent video!! Thanks for putting that out there! Just did my first oil change on my new 2020 F150. Last truck was 2010 F150 4.6 V8. It has over 152K miles...very reliable! Got a little nervous when I started looking into oil changes on this truck! Live near Buffalo, NY and take my autistic son for long hilly drives around here. Checked oil after 200 miles, level looked good, and monitor only down 1 %. Will keep checking. Love the idea of the oil catch can...keep as much carbon out if those cylinders as possible 👍👍. I'm going to check that out for my rig. Question, I bought a late 2020 model. It's there anyway to easily tell if the TSB has already been incorporated into the vehicle?

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Pull your dipstick, if there's a wide gap between the 2 holes than it's the new one. Trucks built after October 2019 should've all had them, but oddly enough, I've heard of some 2020s that don't! The old dipstick has a very small gap between holes. You'll see the old dipstick in this video; kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWmnZ4uqoq1lmsk And yes, I'd highly recommend an oil catch can. The install of the JLT 3.0 was easy! Here's the install: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqPUYaBqiJ6gr9k

[@MrIndyjoe]

Eliminator Performance will installing the catch can cause an issue with the warranty? I saw another video where a guy said he takes his off when going to the dealer for any work needing done. That seems like an inconvenience I would not want.

[@76williamsbh]

I own a 2019 F150 that I purchased about seven months ago and I am experiencing this problem. First of all great video and it is very informative. I purchased the truck when it had about 37,000 miles on it and I’m now at about 45,000 miles. The Chevy dealer that I purchased it from changed the oil right before I purchased it. I noticed that before my first oil change the oil was low, but thought they may have just underfilled it. I don’t recall how much I put in it at the time. Today I am about 1000 miles until my next oil change and I noticed that my oil was almost a quart and a half low so I started researching this. I do not have any sort of extended warranty on my truck, so I am left scratching my head as to what to do. The local Ford dealer in my area has not been the best to deal with on things from past experience, which is a long story. Bottom line, I have owned two F150s with a 3.5 L turbo V6 and never had an issue. This is my second F150 with a 5.0 L V8. I kept the first one three weeks and had to send it back because of major issues and swapped it for my second 3.5 L turbo V6. I checked and Ford does not have any recalls on this of course. My concerns are what are the long-term effects of this on the engine? Second, how much is a dealer going to charge me to do this repair that technically should be a recall. Just wondering if anyone else out there is out from under warranty and having to deal with this or has dealt with it?

[@EliminatorPerformance]

The tsb is covered under warranty, so I have no idea what it would cost on it's own for a truck out of warranty. It would be worth calling the dealer to ask what a 19-2365 would cost out of warranty? Then you could at least get it done and try it. Oil consumption will eventually foul the catalytic converters as well as foul the spark plugs over time

[@76williamsbh]

@@EliminatorPerformance Good to know! Thank you for the information. I will report back when I get the repairs done to let everyone know what the out of pocket cost is.

[@76williamsbh]

Had the repair done today and my power train warranty covered the repair. They did install the new dipstick, software update, and an oil change. I was right at time for an oil change so I basically got the oil change for free. I will check back in after I drive it for a while to see if it still consumes oil. I will be in stalling an oil separator as well.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

@@76williamsbh good luck Brian

[@andywade172]

​@@76williamsbh what oil they pour in 5w20 or 5w30 ?

[@shaneharvey6767]

I'm getting the same issue with my 2021. Exactly the same amount of oil missing. I've gone thru 3qts of oil during the first 8000km. They said there's a TSB which I'm thinking its the same one. Thanks for the info. I'll be mentioning that TSB for sure. Thanks for the info.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

This TSB should only be for the 2018-2020 as the 21 had a redesign. 2021 has gen4 coyote engine. Also, did you check the oil level when you got the truck? I had my oil changed at dealership and they only filled it to above the add mark, so I ended up adding another quart. If I wouldn't have looked, then checked a month later or something I would've thought I had consumption again.

[@shaneharvey6767]

@@EliminatorPerformance yes you’re right but it’s a start. Makes the most sense to me. I didn’t check when we first picked it up. About 2500km a low oil level popped up. I checked it and it was low. I added a qt and and all was good. It came up again at around 5000km, again another qt. It popped up again 2 more times and only need to add 1/2qt each time. The dealer is coming to pick up the truck tomorrow to start the first step of the TBS. my wife works at the warehouse in Brampton. She just found the dipstick in stock. She measured the overall length of it. I’ll compare it with the one in the truck when she gets home. (Man that was hard to keep that clean! LOL)

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yea I hear you, it's BS to deal with but hopefully they get yours sorted. Honestly the 1st person who I've heard has oil consumption on a 21, but I'm sure it's always possible. Hopefully it's a quick fix! Mine still running good, as always I'll keep everyone updated m

[@shaneharvey6767]

@@EliminatorPerformance I’ll keep you posted as to what they find.

[@shaneharvey6767]

@@EliminatorPerformance Their notes, unnormal amount of oil passing valve. they cleaned it and swapped out the PCV valve and the hose. PCM update for low oil warning. They also, at Ford's instructions, to remark the oil level marks on the other side of the dip stick so that it's lower on the dip stick. Sort of like the dipstick replacement on yours. To me, it sounds like there's too much oil and it was burning off. They want me to bring it back in 4000km to see how its doing. After that all got done, I received a recall notice for the same thing. LOL! Hopefully that fixes the problem.

[@raultoro7245]

Ford has made 5.0 engines for years,why do they have problems now ? Add the blowing spark plugs,and the Fiesta and focus clutches,one has to wonder - whats wrong with ford.im buying a f 150 any way,but customers deserve better ! Great video !

[@cac90277]

Thanks for the video. Super helpful

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Stay tuned to the channel, next couple weeks and I'll be uploading an update video. I'm actually in the process of filming part of it today! Ill be talking about all the issues that contribute to oil consumption on these engines, as well as what oil, filter and spark plugs I'll be running

[@thekelly4178]

I've also seen several people (including myself) going to 5w30 oil instead of 5w20. A few have mentioned that the dealer changed their oil and put in 5w30. Also, the 2021 F150 5.0s are using 5w30.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yes, just be careful because a heavier oil can cause issue with the cam phasers, as they have very fine screens that the oil needs to pass through. I've heard this could lead to the top end not being lubricated properly. Not that it happens on every truck, but it's possible.

[@Bore_Punch]

5w30 is perfectly fine.

[@jamesgo6517]

i also use 5w30 full syn penz..didnt stop consuming oil but quiter engune for sure

[@MrLobos55]

I think 5w30 is fine, about to throw it in again on my 19 but I have seen several people tuned and with charges that run 5w50.

[@andywade172]

I also use thicker oil on my 5.0. For winter 5w30, for summer 5w40, have over 130k miles and runs perfectly fine

[@georgehuerta1990]

Well done video bro my son is considering buying a 2018 or 2019 and his concern was the consumption of oil on this motor while we know how to fix it now so big props to you man good job

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Get a 2019 if he can, with a VIN that says the truck is built after October 2019 and you shouldn't have an issue.

[@georgehuerta1990]

@@EliminatorPerformance 👍🏼 thank for the info well do

[@richardzamudio6]

@eliminator-performance thank you for giving us another update video, I enjoy them very much. I myself have a 2020 F-150 5.0 RCSB 2WD and I use my truck everyday and drive 36 miles on average each day. I purchased the truck in September of 2020 and have never checked the oil level. But, reason why I haven’t is because I “assume” the oil levels should be at a correct level since it’s a brand new truck. My question to you is; Does the 2020 models have both the oil consumption and the shorter dipstick ? Or, does the 2020 model come with the longer dipstick ? And no oil consumption? Thank you. Also, I am still excited and waiting on your upload of updating your LED Lightbulbs for your headlights, since you only did the fog lights lol. Thank you for your time and guidance.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yes the 2020 models can still be affected by oil consumption due to throttle plate closing causing the vacuum, but any truck built after October 4th, 2019 has the correct length dipstick! I ordered my truck in June and received it in September, so I was just shy of that date. Not all trucks have this issue, and like I said it's always worth it to get a EV281 PCV valve just to try if you notice slightly low oil on the dipstick. Then if the PCV valve doesn't fix it, the TSB should. I check my oil on everything I own because it's a great way to tell how the engine is running. Thanks for watching, and yes I'm working with Diode Dynamics on getting some new model of lights and hopefully another LED video will be coming in the future!

[@richardzamudio6]

@@EliminatorPerformance I have 3,500 miles and 50% oil life left. In your opinion, What oil would you recommend best to utilize for oil changes. Motorcraft or other brands ? Thank you for the response. You are awesome! Keep up the great videos.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Motorcraft is great, that's a brand owned by Ford, and I believe they use a synth blend. I use quaker state 5w20 synthetic, but it really doesn't matter. As long as you're using a synth, or synth blend as they say which is synthetic and mineral based mixed, then it should be good. Like I said oil is relatively cheap and filters too, so I do changes every 5000km or 3300miles to keep things fresh.

[@deangrawet6924]

From what in seen is the new sticks are longer with a wider or expanded safe range. Top or full mark remains at the same position. Just increased the amount of oil you can "consume" and stay in the "safe" range.

[@brunoerrico4738]

Merci beaucoup pour votre vidéo je vais faire la même chose sur mon pick-up 😊

[@635suz7]

Great it fixed yours but they are not all alike. Some will empty the oil pan due to poor ring tension and bad cylinder walls.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yea I've heard if you don't run them hard during break in the rings don't seat properly. I was filming intake and exhaust videos early on and was running it quite hard from the beginning.

[@juliosandoval4127]

Mine burns a quart every 2500 miles.

[@Wayz5145]

Would it work just to change oil and filter, install the factory recommended oil and take note of where on the dip stick it is and go from there. I don't want my throttle body adjustment if it is going to lower my mileage.

[@600RemGuy]

How has the engine preformed in the last year or so? Got scared of buying a used 5.0 when I starting reading of this oil consumption issue

[@abominablestormtroopersnow4510]

I solved my 2019 F150 5.0 problem(s) 💯👍! ~ I sold it! Done with Ford.

[@Roger-il8iw]

Perfectly normal for any truck with a v8 to burn. However if it’s low mileage it should be minimal. Lucas works great on a high mileage 5.0. The overfill can cause some burn as well if the dipstick is off, which is common across makes throughout the years.

[@jeanducharme3274]

Good video to the point thanks

[@flashovr24]

Would this have anything to do with the occasional engine rattle or slapping sound I hear, on both deceleration and acceleration, at between roughly 100-200 RPMS? It's an obvious noise and I can't believe I'm the only one who has this noise under the hood?

[@jamestone265]

My 2018 has been thru 2 consumption tests and was close to the limit both times. It has a Ford Performance oil separator on since new as I installed in the first week. It has also had the TSB performed. At the oil change after the TSB, at 25k miles on the truck 3500 miles on the oil, there was some consumption but not a quart. I changed from Motorcraft 5-20 to Motorcraft 5-30 and have not seen any consumption. The recommended PCV was changed by Ford plus the engine computer and the revised dip stick. Been 20,000 miles on the oil weight change ….. problem gone.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yes I've heard the 5w30 can solve it, good luck! I didn't have any tests done, I just took it into the dealership and showed them a photo of my dipstick being low before I topped it up myself. They did the TSB without question, and it hasn't consumed a drop of oil since

[@MrLobos55]

Look into the PCV valve for the excessive vacuum if it returns.

[@TheCarvar]

Awesome info 👍🏼

[@d.collins1134]

Good video, worth the time. Thanks!

[@zmanvideo1]

great video!! Do you have direct injection? If yes, then your oil catch can is even more helpful in the long run, will save the valves from carboning up.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yes, the correct term is "dual-fuel." It's high pressure direct cylinder fuel injection, with low-pressure port fuel injection. Thanks for watching!

[@zmanvideo1]

@@EliminatorPerformance Oh, I see, direct injection likely for power, and under low power the port fuel injection.

[@donaldhillery751]

Thanks great job!

[@danpaquette5435]

I have a 2018 with the 5.0. Engine was changed because of oil consumption. I now have a 2019 model 5.0 engine This new engine burns more oil than the original. I had the same tsb done on my 2019 engine which ford changed the dipstick along with a reprogram. The shop manager and I compared both dipsticks. They are in fact the same length. The only difference is that the low and full mark are different. Instead of one litre between add and full its now 1.9 litres. I installed a catch can and yes it’s still blowing oil through the pcv valve. Luckily my catch can does what it’s supposed to do. Ford only swept the problem under the rug with a new dipstick.

[@mattmidili4350]

Hey man how’s it going with your F-150? I got the PCM flash done back in April after talking to you and I’m checking the dipstick at 1500 miles since, it looks like it’s 1/4” lower from their top off line, I’m guessing it’s consuming the same amount or a tad bit more.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

I just got my oil changed at 10,000 and haven't noticed a difference. Although it was low leaving the dealership, as the techs filled it to just over the add line, so I added 1.5L to just under the full line and it hasn't changed since.

[@free2chasehappy]

Man, this is so good to hear! I've always been a Ford V8 guy and when I found out the 2018 and up 5.0 are consuming oil I was so disappointed. How is the truck doing now? Is the fix permanent? Thanks!

[@EliminatorPerformance]

The truck hasn't consumed a drop of oil since the TSB was done! With the addition of my JLT 3.0 oil catch can, it gets a little bit of oil/water vapor and I'm glad that the engine isn't burning any of that crap. It's maybe 1 ounce every oil change, hardly anything, and not a noticable loss on the dipstick.

[@free2chasehappy]

@@EliminatorPerformance Sweet! Very much appreciated!

[@christopherm7702]

I am thinking of trading my 2020 f150 with the 2.7 for a new 2021 with the 5.0. But I am hesitant because I have heard many people say that the TSB did not fix their oil consumption and now they are adding the new cylinder deactivation. I heard another reason for the oil consumption is the new cylinder coating started in 2018. I saw the TSB done at a dealer and to my knowledge, they also added extra oil as part of it. Any thoughts? Great video and very well explained.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

From what I have researched, the plasma coated cylinders are only an issue if you don't properly break-in the engine. The piston rings don't seat properly and then score the cylinder, causing oil consumption through there. It's hard to say, as these trucks do have varying levels of issues. However, I would stay away from the 4th gen 5.0 with cylinder deactivation for now. A 2020 5.0 should have these issues sorted, but some still need the PCM reprogram to sort out the vacuum. Hope that helps!

[@mattmidili4350]

Great news on yours. Any suggestions on where i should take the next step to avoid some sort of run-around?

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Try the ev281 pcv valve if you haven't already, it's so easy to remove yours to check

[@maxtaylor7533]

Maybe Print this TSB and take it with you to the dealer: static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10169811-0001.pdf

[@andyeckles4158]

I have a 2019 XL F150 5.0 and I'm having the exact same problem. I'm going to give this a try and see if this fixes my problem. Thanks for sharing this information!

[@biggaspirit1]

Clearly explained, thank you.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@KathrynPumpkin56]

Thanks for the video, I was trying to find someone having the same problems as I with this oil consumption problem. I feel like I bought a defective 2019 Ford F-150, 5.0 L 10 speed in January 2020 from Ford dealership in Texas. I’ve taken it numerous times to dealership under warranty, they replaced the dipstick, they reprogrammed the PCM, and I drove increments of 500 miles with a loss of a quart of oil, twice. On my long journey to Louisiana, I drove over 1400 miles with 2 quarts consumed. Now it sits at Ford again & they tell me the tech pulled all spark plugs to inspect combustion chambers, found oil saturation on top of pistons, left cylinder bank. They plan to replace left cylinder head, spark plugs, & necessary seals. Saying valve seals are the cause of concern. Question, how can they determine this if they haven’t pulled the cylinder head yet? Are they guessing? Thank you, Kathryn B

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Probably using an inspection camera through the spark plug hole, it's a very tiny one, with a long cord and a light on the end, shows the video on a screen. The cylinder heads and cylinder walls can also be an issue I've heard. This video was just focusing on what fixed mine. Good luck!

[@gadgetmantwincities]

Very good video!

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks for watching!

[@mattmidili4350]

Ok thanks, been thinking about what approach to take since it’s not excessively burning as much oil as you were, maybe trying the more restrictive PCV and was planning on putting in the oil catch can regardless.

[@googleuser4799]

Wouldn't you want a less restrictive PCV so that you would get less vacuum? Would making the hole bigger in the PCV help fix this ?

[@frandanco6289]

@@googleuser4799 - Watch the video...The stock PCV is a straight hole through, the new improved PCV has the hole broken into 4 separate smaller holes, to cut down the amount of Vacuum from the PCV to the Throttle Plate so the Engine ingests LESS oil or almost no extra oil pulled through...

[@jasonkelley6943]

My 2018 has the oil consumption issue. At 20,000 Ford installed a new engine, it consumes just as much oil as the old. I too, received the new dipstick, it's 7/16" longer than the old one. The full mark is the same distance from the top of the dipstick, meaning the 8.8 quart mark is in the same spot in the crank case. The distance between the hash marks is now twice as long, it's now 2 quarts between the full and low mark rather than one quart. Ford hasn't fixed anything, they just want you feel better when you pull the dipstick out and see oil on the hash marks rather than below them. In the TSB that called for my engine to be changed, Ford defines excessive consumption as 1 quart or more in 3,000 miles. Both my old engine and the new one a quart every 2,500 miles. I now have 20,000 on the second engine and am due for an oil change, it's just below the low mark on the dipstick, two quarts low. If I had the original dipstick, I might see oil at the very tip, or not at all at two quarts low. Ford tells me its now OK to be two quarts low, I guess changing engines cuts into the executives bonuses. I believe the vacuum issue, is only an issue because of the coated cylinders. Sure it's pulling oil past the rings, but only because the rings don't do a very good job against the coated cylinders. If the longer dipstick makes you fell better, good for you. It just irritates me.

[@laddjohnson2576]

Same thing with my 2018 f150 coyote. I found the issue when I serviced the engine at the first oil change. There was hardly any oil in it!!! Ford replaced the motor and the new motor used just as much as the first motor. More than 1 qt per 2500 miles. Ford was going to replace the motor again and I decided to do the lemon law and Ford bought it back. I bought a raptor with the eco boost and no oil burning issues. I’m convinced it’s a problem with the plasma coated cylinders. The problem showed up when they went to plasma coated cylinders.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

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[@AlbertoGonzalez-yu3pe]

Great info

[@gettothechoppa8495]

I have a 2017 5.0 and it holds 7.9 quarts. I wonder if the wrong dipsticks are from carryover since the 2018's hold 1 quart more and they never changed them?

[@EliminatorPerformance]

It's possible, but I'm not too sure. I heard possible defect in the overall length. Some were longer, shorter or in between.

[@kitwalker520]

I got the new dipstick and reprogram but still need more than 9 quarts to hit the full hash mark - still consume half a quart every couple thousand mile - also do oil changes at 3000 mile intervals to keep the TI-VCT system happy otherwise have unstable idle issues

[@wrenchand9814]

Excellent video and extremely informative. I do have one question, do you know how long the original dip stick was compared to the new one they replaced it with? This way people would be able to check and maybe they would have the correct one installed from the factory. Thanks for the info and keep up the good work. I look forward to following you.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

From what I've researched, ford extended the dipstick to a 1.9L or 2qt range, where as before it was only 1qt range. Supposedly the top full mark is the same, it's just simply a longer dipstick. I would highly recommend the 19-2365 TSB and ask for it to be covered under warranty even if your truck is out of warranty.

[@zachis4wheeling]

@@EliminatorPerformanceHow do you go about getting them to fix and cover the costs for something like this if the truck is out of warranty?

[@EliminatorPerformance]

@@zachis4wheeling that's the tricky part, they should at least do the 19-2365 TSB but it's not always guaranteed. I'd call your local dealership to inquire

[@tdurrett2413]

Can you provide the length of the new dipstick provided on the TSB? My 2018 F-150 5.0 is just out of warranty and the dealer wants $414 to upgrade. I may just buy an oil catch and the shorter dipstick form Ebay but I need to check if the Ford Part No. FL3Z-6750-D is the correct part.

[@Chubbydippin]

Fantastic explanation of the what, how, why and fix for this issue. Question, being 2024, do the current models of this truck with this 5.0l V8 engine have this issue resolved? When buying a 2024 now, has this update/dipstick/catch can been added from the factory? Thanks again Sir.

[@ernestrodriguez6851]

Nice fix! Is this something that can be done quick on the next oil change?

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Yea it didn't take long, I waited at the dealership while they did it!

[@oscarmayer9823]

I live in Ohio and wondering how much mpg you are getting prior to tsb fix and now after? I have that setup on my 18 5.0 and see a little accumulation in the catch can. Great video and explanation.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

Thanks, I believe I was getting 13L/100km and now get about 15L/100km lol I haven't looked lately though. I'll double check and get back to you. I'm not sure what that is in MPG but it's not great lol I also have 3.55 gears so a higher gear makes fuel consumption worse as well.

[@oscarmayer9823]

@@EliminatorPerformance I translate roughly 18mpg down to 15.5mpg if correct. That’s substantial for something that the manufacturer has done for a “fix” to a newer truck. I wonder if they can do better to correct the consumption issue instead of getting into your billfold.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

I'm in the truck now, says current trip is 15.6L/100 and I drive in sport mode heavy foot all the time. Before was around high 13 or 14 I believe so not too too bad of a change. My buddies dad gets 11 but he's older and drives in eco mode lol

[@EliminatorPerformance]

@@oscarmayer9823 ok so I drove around today for a bit, said 14L/100km and I was on the pedal heavy lol not bad I guess

[@gator217]

I have read about the PCM replacement but it was paired with running 5w50 which helper with both the consumption and the notorious coyote engine knock....

[@russstpierre8362]

Great video, have a 2015 with catch can with no issues however I am running 25000 mile amsoil full synthetic and my oil monitor system says to change only after about 5000, I have had 0 issues with resetting the monitor and going to the 13000 mark or once a year like amsoil recommended. What's your opinion on this, thanks Russ

[@EliminatorPerformance]

I'd never run oil that long, google synthetic oil gumming up an engine and you'll see why. Oil is cheap and so are filters, I change around 5000kms and figure it keeps everything fresh and clean. Thanks for watching!

[@LivingOurAmericanDream]

Does that TSB cover 2014 models? Just curious as I own a 2014 with a 5.0L V-8. Thanks.

[@EliminatorPerformance]

No, only 2018+

[@emerylandry2074]

I had three oil consumption test and all the TSB ‘s done. At 24,000 miles mine is still consuming oil. I also have off throttle rattle and what sounds like spark knock at low speeds going up hills. Went through corporate before the last oil consumption test. Dealership said it’s all fixed and fine now but obviously it’s not. I’m not doing another oil consumption test. Hopefully corporate will buy this thing back