Elite Dangerous - This Year's MASSIVE Update - NEW DETAILS

Elite Dangerous is getting an overhaul with Powerplay 2.0. The update aims to change and improve the way players interact with the galaxy. Improvements are being made to stations, the galaxy map, and more.
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[@SKYST0RY]

I loved ED so much. I had thousands of hours in it. But this just doesn't interest me at all. What would interest me are ship interiors, new ground vehicles, more detailed settlements, alien fauna and planets with atmospheres.

[@DavidMarshall15]

Same for me

[@StephenSmith304]

Yes exactly, things that make the universe more vibrant and lively. To be clear, the following is a list of ideas of possible avenues to make the game feel less empty, not a list of things I think should ALL be added: They should be churning out new sets of textures for most assets so we can stop looking at the exact same models across the entire universe. Possible other ideas for added variety include sand planets with adobe mud cities, metropolises with skyscrapers, outposts made of log cabins instead of literally every planetary building being the same metal texture, procedurally generated plants/animals, being able to encounter migrating groups of NPCs that i can trade with or get missions from, maybe even underwater environments you can use certain ships to dive to on water planets kinda like subnautica. I dont care if they take some shortcuts to add varied content like random weapon/module stats like borderlands (within some limited range and rarity curve) and more complex randomly generated missions like multi stage missions and scripted cutscenes generated from the randomly generated mission to show instead of tell the mission to the player would be so much more engaging. Instead they release one additional ship while NMS adds a ship builder that enables like unlimited new ships. Imo they should have leaned more on procedural generation to fill out the universe. I wanted elite to feel like you're flying around in the star wars universe where theres something going on everywhere rich and full of different walks of life including civilians not just identical suited up NPCs in stations or at settlements, where a significant portion of the planets would have something going on. In all my years of playing i dont remember a planet with more than 5 settlements, each the size of like a school campus. Are there even more station types than in the original elite? It feels like it doesnt really matter where you are in the universe, everything is the same unless you're hunting for a specific item.

[@kelvin1316]

Add in more detailed space stations as well. (Like more than a concourse)

[@unlimitedslash]

Basically what Star Citizen is doing. Been following both, but honestly, every time ED seems to pull a big patch feels like a half assed copy of what Star Citizen or other space games are trying to do.

[@Neo-vz8nh]

@@unlimitedslash along with bugs, lagfest, pay2win, never finishing products.

[@evaone4286]

Progress is really slow with Elite. They gotta step things up if they want community engagement

[@chrishoppner150]

If that was the plan, they wouldn't have let go most of the dev staff

[@farmerpandasyoutube4800]

@@chrishoppner150 i think their internal structure was a mess from the sounds of things it may be a positive thing. too many cooks in the kitchen

[@NeilAFawcett]

They lost most of the core community 3+yrs ago...

[@Soldier4USA2005]

@@NeilAFawcett Especially the console players. Once they announced they would no longer support consoles, I'm sure tons of players from both camps jumped ship. Either because they were playing on a console and didn't want to feel left out and neglected from then on, or PC players who didn't want to support such a bad move.

[@jackclements2163]

People have only been saying this for about 6 years and more. Aint gonna happen.

[@bobL761]

NMS today: -Complete and total overhaul of space stations: new sprawling complex interior layouts that feature new shops and new functionality, including a long-awaited ship customization system and a new guild system. Along with that, there’s brand new complex and detailed station exterior models. And it’s all in-game right now. Fdev today: Decals. Coming this summer.

[@p0k314COM]

Players are sick of the conflict with the Thargoids - no problem, we will expand this mode for you. Players are fed up with Power Play - no problem, we will update this mode for you. Players don't want grind - let's skip this topic. Players want more immersion, like inside ships, living planets - we're not going to do that because we design games, and we have not time for this. Players want a new game engine because the current Cobra is more than 15 years old - oh, f* off players.

[@tylerstrong2746]

It'll be delayed until November too for sure

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

No Man's Sky suffers from the "add a bunch of features and never fix years old bugs" mindset from the devs. People really need to stop giving HG undue praise. This is not a good comparison.

[@pythonxz]

​Agreed. Frontier doesn't add features of significance and has basically abandoned their flagship IP.

[@HanVZulu]

@@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity I'm curious. What bugs are those? I can't recall I have encountered anything serious (some clipping ones in a while perhaps), so I'm just interested in knowing.

[@spikeles7]

"Elite Dangerous - This Year's MASSIVE Update - NEW DETAILS" - I was actually hyped by this title, then I watched it and realised it was sarcasm.

[@alpha-0874]

So they painted the floors, put up some posters and changed the UI? None of that addresses any of the actual issues with Powerplay, such as the "content" primarily consisting of mind numbing undermining and cargo hauling.

[@CmdrTigerKing]

no they also added some ship skins and lowered FPS by 80%

[@agonyaunt6325]

To be fair, they haven't talked about the gameplay changes to PP. The guy who was meant to do that on the stream was apparently sick, so will do it at a later date. Personally speaking, i'm not optimistic. I suspect PP2 will still be a boring grindfest. But i'll wait for FD to actually reveal the changes before criticizing them.

[@j.d.4697]

Typical corporate BS.

[@Ebalosus]

@@agonyaunt6325 still doing it for free on the weekends, I see.

[@kessilrun6754]

When I think/ hear of "Big update of 2024" or just "Big update," I think of DX12, DLSS, ship interiors...atmospheric planets..

[@truckerallikatuk]

"Complete rework" - aka a few changed textures on a cookie cutter station... yay, so excited.

[@RatziFatzi]

this is not the only thing...

[@PaulLacourse]

@@RatziFatzi If it was the first thing they wanted us to know... I'm afraid of the rest.

[@RatziFatzi]

what about the Stronghold Cariers And all those Ships... maybe with some new Missions@@PaulLacourse

[@DarkonFullPower]

The guy who was to talk about the meaningful play changes is sick sadly.

[@gregabott5583]

Wooo signs in a space station! Revolutionary!!!

[@CB-io8oi]

The vast majority of people did powerplay for the ship upgrades. Most didn't bother about the fluff around it, do they realize this?

[@LordOfLight]

Nope.

[@R0d_1984]

I kinda get making the galaxy more lived-in, the back-ground stuff (like i'd probably do a little bit of reading about what is going on), but yeah; Complexity doesn't mean fun, or even interesting (maybe to some, and annoys others...), i think it will depend on the writing/content.

[@Wylie288]

Thats because those people asked for "Visual indication of my actions". And now that you have it everyone is bitching about frontier doing the very thing yall wanted them to do. Im embarrassed to have ever been apart of this community.

[@storm14k]

​@@Wylie288 trying to figure out what the community actually wants. Because they bitched about Odyssey and said nobody asked for on foot combat and then all ran over to a one star system demo with more bugs that's nothing but on foot combat.

[@sowiwiody3681]

I think powerplay COULD work. People would definitely be simping hard for blue-haired Eisling Duval, and conquering systems in her name. BUT Frontier just had to make powerplay grind as well. You can't just buy 750 Merits in one go, you have to buy them in sets of 10. Literally the only reason nobody even bothers with powerplay beyond special modules. Oh, and another reason is that goods transport is way more efficient than combat.

[@therealjamespickering]

Let's just remember that Elite Dangerous features a full-scale galaxy with millions of star systems, so why is it that there are no new features that make exploration more interesting and rewarding? I would like for there to be far more to discover than the handful of biological and geological features that currently exist.

[@walawala-fo7ds]

Because it's a creative lie. The galaxy is a full scale dice roll of the same 10 assets. That's why so little of the game is explored. Everything not seen is visually the same to everything seen. What's the point to exploration.

[@sowiwiody3681]

I think there's a great way of both adding more depth to the game, and making exploration rewardable. Add gulids, give them the ability to build bases (beyond The Bubble), and have a system grow far faster if it has a Continental or Oceanic world, as well as metals source in form of a ring, asteroid cluster, or a Metal Rich World. Players would race each other to find better spots to settle. Then add a threat to defend those bases from.

[@MrOz5918]

true, I'm a solo player, but even so I would love this type of system, I abandoned the game over a year ago because I had nothing interesting to do, when the fleet carriers were released I expected something like that, I played a lot just to get one , and in the end it is basically useless

[@marduk_ashur]

They could have taken advantage on doing activities and missions unique to each star system that is remotely far far away 1000+ light years away. But you just go and they only have donate to faction and thats it.

[@Siaynoq8]

@@walawala-fo7ds I looked in thousand of systems to find and put my name one day on my own ruby red carbon star only to find out the only one in the game is that custom one at Venaticorum.

[@MetallicMedium]

We saw Frontier vastly ramp up game development on their other titles, right on the heels of Elite Dangerous. There were many indications, reasorces that should have gone into Elite Dangerous, were diverted to their Foundry, while important advances like VR, and continued console support were stopped. It's a clear case of killing the goose that lays golden eggs. Thank you Ant, for continuing to cover Elite Dangerous news. o7

[@Wylie288]

Console support is the reason this mess happened. It spread resources too thin, massively slowed down launches and development, and never even took off. Console support should have been dropped a lot sooner.

[@randalthor6872]

@@Wylie288 As an ex console elite player, I agree. I can see now how it was holding development back and really there weren't many of us playing on consoles.

[@LimeymanZero]

I'm sure both players will be thrilled!

[@jbthekeeper2509]

With the whole changes to station interiors changing slightly when the super power has taken over control, I just can't help but compare it to the new update for No Man's sky. Which did exactly what this update did and more, overhauling the entire space station and creating a new gameplay loop to allow players to customise their space ship entirely which has been a highly requested feature... Yet Fdev were only able to change a system that nobody really cares about, revamping engineering would have taken less time than this.

[@R0d_1984]

Egineering, face-palm, i actually don't mind a fair bit of grind, but ED is over the top, it's also complicated, got the ''free'' FSD, tried to do an upgrade and i think i chose the wrong one (max jump range for exploration, thingy...) it broke me, i haven't played for over 6 months...

[@liolio9282]

Fdev classic. Just.a band of morons

[@Thrawn655]

This sounds so underwhelming but then again- it perfectly aligns with my expectations😂

[@omercelebi2012]

Elite: Grinding is coming..

[@userunknown4331]

Nah that's already here lol

[@omercelebi2012]

@@userunknown4331sorry, 2.0

[@Senseimatty81]

Not even that. It's just cosmetic shit

[@PhilosopherGaming]

Of all the things they could improve, they chose a feature no one even asked for in the first place.

[@Ebalosus]

And their 'improvements' to it basically amount to a UI overhaul, not an actual mechanic overhaul as originally stated. I look forward to StuartGT and Agony Aunt "um aktually"ing me about how they "didn't state that they'd overhaul the mechanic itself" 🙄

[@DoctorBendOver]

🤣biggest failure of a company. Their whole dev team are a joke. If the shareholders knew anything they would fire literally all of them and sell the IP to people who love space GAMES.

[@whammo11224]

Don't remember anyone asking for 1.0 either!

[@Gabrielpsp747]

FDEv: 2014 - "Trade to gain credits for better ships" 2015 - "Freight crap to gain influence for PP" 2016 - "Grind materials to gain upgrades for unbalanced gp. 2020 - "Exploit something to gain 5B credits for FC" 2021 - "Raid settlements to gain crap for nothing at all." 2022 - "Just do everything above to gain decals, paintjobs for aesthetics" 2024 - "Freight crap to gain Banners & Ux for PP 2.0." Well .. that's it.

[@walawala-fo7ds]

they selected the lowest effort because that's what this game's development philosophy has always been. minimal effort product.

[@viotyers]

No Man's Sky did more with space stations in their update today than this.

[@farmerpandasyoutube4800]

true, I dont even have the fps dlc. I just didn't trust frontier to not bodge it at launch, so none of this applies to me. and the new nms looks fantastic. cant wait to play it after work

[@FSDraconis]

Even further from that. No Man's Sky does not have dlc to buy. They have done countless updates to keep the game fun, engaging and relevant. But it also isn't the same as Elite Dangerous. The two games began with development focused at the opposite ends of gameplay. ED began and focused purely on ships with complex non Newtonian space flight. NMS began and focused on foot based content. With space travel and simplistic space controls. I think the developers for NMS look out at other games where as Frontier at least until recently afaik have refused to look at other games to see features that work well to implement their own version.

[@Ebalosus]

FDev: >Basically invented the space trading and combat sim with the OG Elite >Cant keep a modern iteration of it engaging to save their lives Hello Games: >literally who mobile game dev studio >the most engaging space game currently available How that even happened is beyond me...

[@D3F4LTT]

That’s the difference between devs that give a shit and devs that don’t.

[@final3119]

@@Ebalosus NMS is a puddle. It is hardly engaging. Wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle.

[@isatche]

Who asked for this? People are asking for ship interiors and atmospheric planets with cities, and we get... this? I can't decide if devs are trying to fool investors, or us, or themselves?

[@Discovery2024-rn8kn]

Investors don't play the game, as long as some "news" about "major" updates in press release, their financial lifeline is kept open from Investors

[@Blairvoyach]

They can stick their update. All I have wanted since 2014 is to explore and find things. 10 years of tramping around their 1:1 galaxy and found nothing except "distress signals" and "wreckage". How hard would it be to put the odd ruined temple or abandoned settlement way out in the black? Even if it was only a 1 in a thousand chance of finding something it would keep me interested. Elite was the daddy of procedural generation, so proceduraly generate me something to find! I hope Starship Simulator lives up to the promise.

[@rhyssdeacon1845]

Not gonna lie mate if Minecraft can do it then why can’t elite

[@BenRobinson1974]

Meh. This isn't going to bring players back. This is just putting lipstick on a rotting corpse.

[@zxbc1]

"Fool me once, shame on... shame on you... if fool me can't get fooled again." - George W. Bush

[@nothanks3236]

LOL just this morning I had some rando respond to a comment I made TWO YEARS AGO where I said ED was dead, and this joker is all "they're releasing new ships biggest update yet blah blah blah so it's not dead you're an idiot" and I just had to laugh...

[@pktrsho6055]

@@zxbc1lol

[@haroldn4950]

This has been Elite since right after Horizons. Why is the game not being updated? We're working on a great update and we will tell you about it soon ... the community loses its mind theory crafting and expecting things from the Kickstarter and some excessive amount of time compared to the product released later it's a pile of garbage minimal viable product.

[@NinjaZXRR]

lipstick helps with a bang slab, remember when her nose starts running she's probably full.

[@sidrat2009]

Too little too late. It has to be EPIC to get me back playing Elite Dangerous. Re-haul the engineer grind. Reduce corporation numbers to make standings with and against others matter. Add re-playable story missions with balanced rewards that would others be obtained from the material grind. Either make the game co-op/solo or fully Open. If this update isn't free for everyone they're insane.

[@RatziFatzi]

> If this update isn't free for everyone they're insane. why should it be a Payed Update... this does not make sense... The Odysee DLC made Sense... Big new Things... and Somehow, they have to make Monny... but your Writing here is just hate, and Nothing to look Straight Forward...

[@Schmidt334]

What are you yapping about? Story in a sandbox game? Less choice for playstyle? Braindead ideas

[@_Jay_Maker_]

> Either make the game co-op/solo or fully Open lmao. Fuck that.

[@MastaSquidge]

@@Schmidt334 after this many years, the "its a sandbox" bullshit is no longer valid. Elite fundamentally fails to provide engaging reasons to do anything, as a result of striving so hard to not require anyone to do any one thing.

[@puppykitten4779]

It still brings me PTSD when you mentioned engineering grind, despite haven't touched the game for like 2 years already

[@UFOgamers]

They need to overhaul Antialiasing...

[@RatziFatzi]

why?

[@MrCipasa]

​@@RatziFatzibecause it doesn't fucking work. And didn't for years.

[@alien_n7990]

​@@RatziFatzibecause it doesn't work as it should be and it causes eyes to bleed.

[@RatziFatzi]

thats Weard... i did not see any problems with AA at all...@@alien_n7990

[@RoninX33]

AA has been broken longer than I can remember. They gave up on it.

[@celtic2879]

I´m glad Frontier is still working on improving Elite Dangerous. I´ve quit playing it 15 months or so ago and 3 weeks back I rejoined because I´ve missed the feeling of beeing really out in space which Elite Dangerous is able to do much more than any other space game out there. Yes it´s still a lot of grind to reach something but...I´ve missed it Now playing in 4K with Ultra settings landing on an Ice planet seeing the reflections of the ground, the black sky with millions of stars, all reachable(!), atmospheric music starting when the game is recognizing you are watching the stars... this is just amazing. No other game can do this until now. Next step I will do is VR. Never tried before Elite Dangerous will never be a game for the masses but for me it doesn´t have to be o7

[@roadsweeper1]

ED in VR rocks. They did it extremely well, you'll never go back to playing ED on a flat screen once you've had a taste of VR. Just a shame they stopped supporting VR.

[@Kestrel1971]

Seconded - this game in VR is on a whole other level. It is the absolute pinnacle of VR experiences. You will never go back to playing on a flat screen after experiencing this in VR.

[@pumpakatten]

I used to play ED incessantly, but lately I've been bitten by the Star Citizen bug. SC allows me to explore cities on planets, move about in my own ship, and has some beautiful atmosphere planets. I can't see myself coming back to ED.

[@ashamahee]

so you are saying its becoming playable? always kept a loose eye on it over the years but never really found it worthwhile to get into yet.

[@pumpakatten]

@@ashamahee I certainly think so, yes. I’ve not yet encountered anything much in the way of game breaking bugs in the two weeks I’ve been playing it.

[@ashamahee]

@@pumpakatten nice, perhaps its time to take a closer look then.

[@pumpakatten]

@@ashamahee have a watch of some recent SC game play videos on YT before you spend any money on it. Just in case. 👍

[@ashamahee]

@@pumpakatten will do, thanks for answering.

[@Medi0cr3-]

The live stream was such a let down. "Complete rework" - Arf

[@jacobside2656]

Oh honest Art.... I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth

[@cheesyvoid3143]

More like bArf.

[@TheElcentralen]

i do like that they still update. but in elite i never asked to be able to move around as a person. it is such a big amount of work for little returns unless you are going Sc rout. but it is a huge undertaking. hope they get back to fixing the flight on planets and making playing together in space pve style good. the one thing they needed to fix 4 years ago.

[@kunimitanaka1079]

Well I am super glad their development direction has nothing to do with your personal desires then. Odyssey content is easily some of the best in the game.

[@marcoperches3078]

Elite needs to add planets with atmospheres so space exploration can be fun instead of exploring dead worlds one after the other

[@QueenStewds]

they need to just make a new Elite game. there's nothing worth playing here anymore

[@R0d_1984]

Thats just not true (if you're new to the game), i am NOT a fanboy, engineering broke me, but the experience is worth say 49.95AUD easy and i haven't even seen the alien relics yet, or any of the ''famous'' POI etc (i've only got approx 500hrs, haven't played in 6 months because of engineering...). I've been gaming for 26 years on PC, i've played several ''space'' games, like Freespace, Freelancer, X3TC, Homeworld, Star Wars: Empire at War, star trek armada, STO and a few more...

[@IncomitatusExcelsior]

​@@R0d_1984Don't let engineering stop you. Unless you do PvP, it's entirely optional. However, it can be a big quality of life improvement if you let go of the idea that you have to fully engineer things. Getting components to G3 gives 70-80% of the potential improvement on something like 20% of the material cost compared to G5. Even if all you do is engineer your FSDs to G3, it's a huge improvement and not hard or grindy at all. The grind comes in when people feel like they have to be completionist about it and prioritize getting everything to G5 over actually enjoying the gameplay they like. (And you can find up to G3 Odyssey gear to buy, no engineering)

[@R0d_1984]

@@IncomitatusExcelsior primarily it was for exploration and for my vulture's power distributor (tried to run a FDL needs power).

[@billyoda]

The only reason to make a new elite would be if the engine is outdated (I’m sure there are more educated people here to answer this), but I don’t think it’s outdated, it just needs more content. Like base building 😉

[@Syntherios]

@@billyoda The engine is _at least_ 13 years old and runs worse with every update, likely because the devs who first built the engine and knew how to work with it left years ago, leaving new hires completely unfamiliar with it, ultimately slowing down development and making optimization harder and harder to achieve. If ANY video game is in need of a new engine, it's Elite Dangerous.

[@underleft]

That's it? The big feature overhaul? Combined this with new variants of old ships, and it's still a yawn from me.

[@robkabob1826]

Frontier needs to overhaul ground combat

[@JSRJS]

Frontier needs to fire all the brain dead project managers and game designers and hire a group that actually knows how to spell the word "creativity" and knows what "desired gameplay features" actually mean.

[@walawala-fo7ds]

I'd say overhaul a new game at this point

[@garethlawton5278]

@@JSRJS Actually, were in this situation because they fired most of their staff. Firing more isn't the answer.

[@tetiitet]

​@@JSRJSdon't forget n people who listens to the community.

[@pppppffffffmmmmmmmnn]

Space combat REALLY needs an overhaul. It's been 5+ years, but it's probably not going to happen until a new game at this point

[@walawala-fo7ds]

I guess you mean huge when compared relative to nothing. Considering the time elapsed however, these are slim pickings IMO.

[@jbreefer148]

I'm waiting for Starship Simulator!!!

[@sleepfishl]

I still hope they'll bring an update that makes Exploration interesting again... I miss my Type-9 Explorer ... but right now it takes only a few jumps to get bored to death again because everything is the same. :(

[@Notbigbird]

As someone who avidly explores in elite, the always the the same is a lot of bs. I see where it comes from but this game is a supposed to be a realistic representation of the universe, of course there’s going to be similar stuff. There’s still tons of undiscovered regions that have their own properties and tendencies that you can spend time trying to get to know an area and it’s intricacies. Maybe there’s an abundance of a certain element or a certain star or planet type, or maybe it’s a large star forming region or one with very little star formation and many other things that make and area distinct and interesting.

[@TonyLewis-er6yt]

So Aisling Duval will eventually own the bubble as almost every player pledges to her for Prismatic Shields and then never does anymore powerplay?

[@cmdr.rubberboots]

The system of powerplay is such that the powers can only get so big before further growth is unsustainable, especially if the power has hordes of mindless grinders (just in it for their personal merits, not the power itself), as this makes for a poorly optimized economy.

[@puppykitten4779]

I am doing it only because I am a simp

[@OtaQ]

Wake me up when VR was improved!!!

[@steppahouse]

Mildly interesting, but I'd rather see a Ship Interiors 1.0

[@RatziFatzi]

true... but maybe they will do more Reworks in the Future... its a good step into the right Direction

[@underleft]

​@@RatziFatziNo it isn't, they didn't rework anything here. Same old shit and I've been playing since the Alpha slice.

[@RatziFatzi]

@@underleft huh? So you did play Odyssey in Alpha? Cool... For me its a Rework and for ME it looks Promising

[@R0d_1984]

I wonder the the game enginer can do them?

[@Kestrel1971]

There's no gameplay loop for interiors. To do ship interiors is a MASSIVE amount of work and would require a complete overhaul of not only the engine but also the mechanics of ship combat and interstellar travel. I'd love to walk around in my ships, but once you've done it a few times, that's it. Having to get out of the ship, walk to a specific location, interact to secure a mission, walk back to the ship and get back to the cockpit every time VERY QUICKLY becomes tedious and massively slows down gameplay. The model of being able to do everything quickly from in-ship like in Elite Dangerous is vastly superior.

[@leonardo8461]

If the focus if Powerplay is going to be on PVP, I wonder if they finally make engineers and materials more accessible reducing the grind, because if not it is basically impossible to get new player to the game... "so you are intrested in the social aspect of the game? See you in 6 months (if you use exploits)"

[@joruffin]

I left when I got to engineering grind, not coming back until that's fixed.

[@R0d_1984]

hahaha, yeah, thats brutal, got my first pre-engineered FSD, that broke me, like i thought ''i NEVER want to do that again'' , not only is it alot to do, it's complex and confusing, annoyingly i really like the game (i've tried SC, and didn't like it that much, and it's still - 6 months ago, buggy as heck, been following it since 2012...)

[@paulgrant7221]

Yeah, same for me. Couldn't you only pin a few of the 'recipes' too?

[@soapmode]

They first mentioned these iterative changes to station interiors when Odyssey was originally revealed. Nice to see the feature has finally found a way into the game.

[@adrianscarlett]

The VR system desperately needs an overhaul, hand tracking for the interface and controller tracking for hotas. Bonus points if the controllers appear in the ship in exactly the right place.

[@KitHavok]

I'd be happy with a 3dof helmet view for on-foot 😄

[@Tanvaras]

Just think if they actually done this back when the player base was still keen to give them the time of day. Shame they killed off a large amount of the players and most of them wont be back. Sadly my friends and I lost faith in FD just after the Odyssey drop, but I do hope FD somehow re-ignite Elite as it had such promise.

[@ethzero]

I think at this point a good chunk of the player base has gone through all of the stages of grief, and for quite some time we've been at acceptance elite dangerous is a well and truly dead game. When I upgraded my ageing PC I reinstalled all of the games, some current, some ancient, but the one game I just couldn't be bothered to install was elite dangerous because really what is the point?

[@RatziFatzi]

because this game is Fun? and all the other Games do not... atleast for me

[@PaulLacourse]

@@RatziFatzi Nah go kill some bugs (take them for Thargoïd if you want) in Helldivers II! :D

[@RatziFatzi]

@@PaulLacourse i don't know what your talking about... Did not play helldivers

[@popuptoaster]

Yep, me too, I also have a full VR set up, HOTAS, extra button pads, all the things that make Elite Dangerous fun, except that ED isn't fun.

[@Ebalosus]

@@RatziFatzi 10 Arx has been deposited into your account, shill

[@loterrex9139]

With stocks plummeting it’s no surprise to me that we won’t see more than a little visual finesse improvements here and there until it dies out completely. They seem so focused on the Bubble that they don’t do much for explorers. I would like to see something happen here. And of course an engineer overhaul. But with either less people onboard to develop these things or business minded people who has no real interest in making good substantial improvements but only want some colour changes here and there or a little interior styling niceties that mean f… all to players, I can see why ED may only have a couple of years left. It’s really sad to witness as I only started playing this about a year ago. Colours and station interiors are not motive enough to engage in the power play for me at all. I just want the modules I can get through it… maybe…

[@davidchandler5432]

If they don't drastically change the actual gameplay of Powerplay, then these changes don't matter at all. Maybe they hinted at the gameplay changes in the livestream though, I'm only going on Ant's video.

[@underleft]

They did not, this is it.

[@Notbigbird]

The person who was actually going to talk about the meaningful changes was sick and couldn’t come to the stream, so there’s likely a lot more that wasn’t able to be covered.

[@CrimsonGamer99]

Leave it to FDev to release another cosmetic package instead of any real gameplay...

[@JSRJS]

I can only imagine the imagination of Frontier Dev employee HR. "ALL NEW REVAMP OF EMPLOYEE BENEFITS NEXT YEAR!" Then the year rolls around and they got a blue employee handbook instead of green.

[@curlyexcile]

Power Play needs the power you're allied with, to have specific war ships, player controlled, not just a weapon and paint job.

[@adrianwilliams6577]

Looking forward to the updates, I know there's more to Elite Dangerous than dropping goods between stations but that's generally all I do other than the odd passenger mission. Engaging gameplay elements are welcome. I've watched this video on two different devices and no videos are listed on screen to try at any point.

[@gabegomez860]

I can't wait for the update where we get ship interiors

[@womp47]

see you in a few decades then, cant wait!

[@Sludgebuster]

Thanks for covering this- but its not enough and its way too late.

[@Lupinicus1664]

Any changes that alow more player influence on the BGS is welcomed. To get and retain players interest over the long haul I think this is a must. Bearing in mind such technical issues as ageing game engine and reduced team it will likely require several 'updates' to achieve. But with the basis of an excellent space sim it surely is worth the effort.

[@mandrake-34-]

I actually quite like the bubble view. It's more intuitive for me, seeing the overall shape of each faction's influence.

[@omni_0101]

Yaaaaaaaawn. They shouldn't have abandoned their original roadmap and botched things like multicrew, wings, and like a dozen other things. Most importantly they should have seperated open play and solo economies and given traders the ability to hire escorts and pirates a viable source of income. People dig on Star Citizen but Star Citizen is managing to release in less time than it takes Elite to become a good game (I have over 1000 hours in Elite).

[@adrianwilliams6577]

Elite Dangerous has been in my Steam library for years, I've never taken part in Power Play, Why? I don't want to be hunted when I decide to leave. Punishing players by hunting them down with ships for leaving Power Play is an unwelcome feature, hopefully Frontier has the problem fixed.

[@GAMERRAZUMNO]

The sad part about it is this is called a MASSIVE update. It really shows about current state in this game

[@camy252camy3]

All I want is to walk around my ship, atmospheric planets, manually fly a capital ship, choose which sun to jump to (if system has more than one) and a Panther Clipper and I'll play this game for rest of my life!

[@Schooterl]

I have no desire to walk anywhere but on my ship, and really wish they didn't waste time with odyssey. Playing elite and dangerous with a Hotas and VR, while fuel scouping, checking out pulsar and new planets was amazing.

[@womp47]

i mean to be fair if they added ship interiors instead, people would just start begging for the ability to leave the ship instead, and itd stay the same. in my opinion, it doesnt matter what they add if they dont do anything with it. ship interiors and space legs are really cool, but when you dont have much to do with it then its just a cool thing, it doesnt really add much.

[@Schooterl]

That's why I play star citizen, elite and dangerous for exploring and star citizen for the Sim.

[@womp47]

@@Schooterl ive been considering getting into it but dont know enough about it to be sure i would enjoy it

[@Schooterl]

@womp47 it's a beautiful game, and what elite and dangerous lacks in detail star citizen picks up for but star citizen doesnt have a whole galaxy to travel. I'd recommend trying the free fleet week to see if you like it, it has more issues because of the amount of people playing but it gives you an idea.

[@Bramshevik]

The station interiors being dynamic and reflective of the powers that be, was a feature I expected as a standard when Odyssey was introduced, so, okay, cool. As someone who played on console for 4 years straight before being abandoned, there is news I'd much rather get. I'll be checking out the much more fleshed out stations from the latest NMS update in the meantime.

[@Kellett781]

I’ll be honest, my dives into power play was to join a power, forget about it for a month or so and then Wednesday before the tick I delivered the goods of that power to a contested system and picked up a few examples of my rewards to go in my carrier tool box and moved on to the next power. Buying 2 of each size prismatic shield was expensive as hell! I will certainly be interested to see how things change and I’m always excited for new stuff for Elite.

[@Andrei15193]

I'm curious of how the power play mechanics will change. It does seem they hint at some of it with the system states, stronghold being a new one. I'm hoping they will make changes to instancing as well, people that do power play to have a higher chance to end up in the same instance while in a system so they have more chances to bump into one another. This would make undermining and policing more interesting as you have more chances to actually meet someone.

[@_Jay_Maker_]

I don't give a shit about Powerplay. Kill the Engineer grind and how our ships are upgraded and I might jump back in. But it's doubtful. Frontier has spoiled any goodwill I had for them a long, long time ago, speaking as a Beta backer.

[@RobertoStrikers]

I think its funny that they reveal a new update about space stations, after Hello Games updated No Mans Sky with new Space Stations.

[@ruorick]

It's poetic.

[@mangotapu]

I think that they really need to untether each specific power to their current specific module reward e.g Imperial hammers, prismatic shields etc. There won't be any reason to support a power if their modules are crap. You need to be able to chose which ever power to back and then be able to pick the Modules freely when having worked your way up.

[@svendtang5432]

Vr in on foot .. I’m exploring the galaxy and still missing on foot vr.. and more mystery out there.. but I might try this out but need more than just visual texture replacement

[@TheGranicd]

They should have given drinks to bars instead of this. Players that are still playing will need them.

[@Pacheenee7]

Just started video, wondering what new kind of grind they will try to bring me back with.

[@KepleroGT]

They dropped console and I don't have a powerful PC, so this all looks nice and all but I physically can't play it anymore. They lost some of my trust with this one

[@danielsmith6782]

​@@KepleroGT how old a setup? Run high graphics on a 5 year old setup and have no issues.

[@RatziFatzi]

you can even play it on a Steam Deck... you dont need a Powerful PC to play it...@@KepleroGT

[@e2rqey]

Bold of you to assume it will be a new grind, and not the old grind masquerading as a new grind.

[@jamesjastrzebski1536]

Seeing the powerplay status in systems, especially if you contributed to that state, is nice - even if it is just cosmetics, it's also immersive. Hopefully the game play has more variety to it, too. More complexity to gameplay, such as chained missions rather than small transactional ones, more sense of novelty to what you can opt to do.

[@baronvonschnellenstein2811]

Thanks for the update, @OA. Have to say that the FDev "reveal" comes across as pretty unconvincing. We'll see if that dev who was away sick is brought into the next FDev stream and then maybe we'll see FDev is actually doing something meaningful with the PP "game play" and interactions with the BGS.

[@Slavic_Sky]

more like cosmetic changes

[@PaulLacourse]

The problem with Power Play has never been COSMETIC. So for now PP2.0 has nothing interesting. The thing needed is a connection between PP and BGS. And, from what I saw in your always good report video, there is nothing about that.

[@baronvonschnellenstein2811]

Spot on - PP influencing BGS and _vice versa_ Going by OA's recap here, FDev haven't inspired any confidence, so far. Maybe we'll get some useful details next month the dev who was supposed to talk to the topic will not be away sick on the streaming day.

[@patar3323]

I play vr, and I don't mind fps, the third person camera works fine in vr to get around the flat screen view, just doesn't have the button prompts. Love being able to walk into a bar to log off. The only major gameplay issue that disinsensitives playing is the boring 10 minute supercruises in like half the missions

[@scoogsy]

I tried to get back into Elite Dangerous last month. This was after probably 4 years off. Within about 2hrs of refamiliarising myself, I lost interest. Everything felt more convoluted than it needed to. It felt like I had to go and make the fun, find the fun, interpret the fun. It wasn’t like interesting content and a compelling and interesting universe pulling me in. No doubt it felt like space, it felt like a galaxy for sure. But that was also its downside. I felt like I could be travelling aimlessly, as I clumsily tried to understand the galaxy map, and check wikis and KZbin on how to start generating money. It all felt like hard work, and a grind, just to get started! I appreciate depth, but draw me through the experience by compelling events or a story, that forces me to learn, instead of trying to work out how to find enjoyment in the game.

[@xaisies]

This is an afront to the player base. It is nothing new - but Frontier ignores, maliciously, what the players ask for and shoves random bullsh*t at us. Hey you know what no one has ever really engaged with? Let's make that our focal point! Is just another plot point in the disaster that is Frontier choices.

[@Subtleknife12367]

Frontier used Elites success to make other games and hardly invested in their primary game, Elite. This is too little too late. I'd rather wait for SC at this rate.

[@stardustsyassine]

Wow banner change in stations. This is a huge update ! Very huge indeed !

[@BB_usmc]

I heard a while ago that there will never be plans to add an offline option for this game. Is this still true? Even at low price point of $19 on steam, I still have to pass, unfortunately. However, I would gladly pay full game price if it was available to play offline. I just don't like depending on servers and the internet to play video games. Your insight, is much appreciated.

[@unofficial_ai]

This looks good! More dynamism is always welcome.

[@RatziFatzi]

yeah im hyped too

[@lukasdontknow7194]

Frontier - "Lets deep dive into Powerplay 2.0" also Frontier - "Sorry we can't show you details."

[@Omniscient_01]

If frontier had focused on ship interiors, theyd be on track to making a strong comeback by now.

[@RegAU_4214]

I'm an independent with a couple of thousand hours of play. I agree with @StephenSmith304, the graphics are tired and the BGS is only interesting for a while. I haven't played NMS and only just started with SC, but I do play Dual Universe (DU), Empyrion Galactic Survival (EGS) and occasionally Entropia Universe (EU). The reason I mention this is because it would be nice to see a game with the building mechanics and graphics of DU, game play of EGS and a friendly game community like EGS and EU (unlike some factions in Eve Online). However to achieve this, a company would need top programmers/engineers, top flight hardware and net access, and an unlimited budget. So we just have to wait for technology to bring us more options that are affordable and one that players will be happy to pay a sub for. *BTW I'm really enjoying @ObsidianAnt's contribution in Voice Attack's/HCS voice control app. Very good mate!

[@JustAllinOneResource]

Thank You Obsidian. The only way the dev can breath new life into this game is one make it playable offline, two allow the game to be modded. Once they do this they will bring into the fold many new players, and modders will make the game far better than the developer ever could do. Of course you can still play online. For offline mode you have one profile, and another for online.

[@MrElrood]

Who wanted that? xD Not engineers overhaul, not better missions.... Not ground combat upgrade... Not even UI overhaul.... Graphics decals for power play xD.

[@RatziFatzi]

its one Overhoul... maybe there comming some more in the Future...

[@KM-jf9ws]

This may (emphasizing "may") actually bring some players back, at least judging by my own standards (and those from a guild I used to be in before total game indifference led to its dissolution). A good powerplay system where players can engage and make a difference for a faction, combined with other BGS events (eg Thargoids) can actually make players feel like more active members in a huge galaxy than just being there for the scenery. I know I don't just speak for myself, to repeat, but I do not know for how many others I speak and whether this will be really a breath of fresh air or (too little and) too late. But proof will be in the pudding.

[@Kenjinxs]

Hey obsidianAnt, anyway for you to share your tobii 5 setting profile or image for settings?

[@lioraja9951]

what about removing the grind and replacing it by real fun???

[@Lucasolvalou]

Fdev is a joke. This is the complete rework they told us about? How are interior station decorations supposed to encourage pvp? Also I'm afraid the stronghold carrier groups, while cool in concept, will end up the same as capitol ship conflict zones. That is to say boring, static, and filled only with npcs. Power Play needs to be open only ffs. I'd just like to log on, see where my faction is fighting, go there and pew pew players of an opposing faction. As it is you go there and pew pew npcs while enemy faction players play in solo grinding the npc ships on your side. Am I missing something? Make it make sense! Where is the group pvp in this game!? Squadrons can't even fight each other as there is no traditional mmo guild war mechanic. Is it simply the peer-to-peer networking that is to blame?

[@OneCrazyDanish]

So they added a Power Play mood lighting system?

[@LitlBlackDragonNinja]

They need a new game to be honest. Make it so that the core gameplay is not just a massive grind but an actual cool sandbox. Maybe they should look up X4 and the latest cool game like Helldivers 2 for expiration. X4 is so much better when it comes to immersion and world building in its sandbox, and Helldivers is mad fun with many cool mechanics that work well together. The latter is very good for teamwork and playing with friends. The whole update in Elite back when was to play with friends but the game never allowed for it to be smooth, the whole system was badly designed.

[@Notbigbird]

It is a cool and expansive sandbox, one with an entire milky way galaxy. And the thing is, you don’t even have to partake in the grind. I have 430 hours on elite and I’ve done barely any grinding for engineering apart from basic ship systems like FSD’s and power plants and the like. I still have tons of fun! As someone who is an avid explorer, people who say exploration is dull just don’t seem to fully appreciate the sheer complexity and depth there is to the galactic simulation. Different regions have different properties and quirks that make them interesting to study. Maybe there’s a large abundance of a certain element or planet type. Maybe an abundance or under abundance of stars or star types, maybe there’s a lot of captured objects in systems that could indicate to this area being a star forming one or recently having been. The structures that bands of stars can form can tell you more about an area. Maybe there is a type of exobiology organism/organisms that are specific to an area of space, and not so abundant or completely absent from another area. There’s so much intrigue to the galaxy and I love it. Not everyone can appreciate the small details of the galaxy sometimes, but that’s no problem, because others will 😉.

[@LitlBlackDragonNinja]

@@Notbigbird That's cool but you are describing only exploring and the game has other parts that are not well thought. Have you ever played on a Freelancer server? Especially a roleplaying one like Discovery back in its high day? The interconnected systems and that the players were thrown in a lesser but with better thought out sandbox made it so you could have different situations that were caused by the players themselves, which made playing that game extremely unique because you did not know what would happen in your next play session. In that game, I and friends played as an independent pirate group. We were chased by police and military (all human players). We had bounties on our heads and thus had to change star sectors frequently to avoid BHs. We fought in big battles, taking sides with different pirate groups and etc. It wasn't just fighting, we traded, we interacted with other players in different ways. This is something Elite is missing. The human interaction that is both meaningful and easy to do. Elite is not designed for that at all. It's a single player game, where you either grind or do exploring, like you said. Yes, there were attempts to bring this human interaction in Elite in the forms of Fuel Rats and various expeditions but if the game devs do not make it so that the game allows for such things to be easily done, like for example in Helldivers, if we are in need of reinforcements, we can use a SOS beacon, to attract other players to help. The in game mechanic is both easy to use and doesn't break immersion. While to ask for a fuel rat to assist you, you'd need to go to a website outside the game, send a request... like, such stuff should be in game. And don't get me started on the technical multiplayer issues in Elite. Anyway, good for you that you enjoy it still. I stopped playing 2019 and tried it again in 2020-1 and never opened it again. Also obligatory message: screw engineering!

[@BeefCheeser]

Power play 1.5 at best, visual changes that should’ve been patched in close to a decade ago, no actual overhaul whatsoever.

[@RatziFatzi]

what about the Stronghold Cariers? its like everybody had missed them

[@TENGILL]

This is a step in the right direction, will keep my eye on it.

[@LukazChrom]

Powerplay-Overhaul is 100% Meh. And I refuse to be hyped for their mysterious "new feature" that they refuse to elaborate on. And if it is anything other than Ship Interiors OR something of equal Caliber like actual Atmospheric Planets (or Basebuilding I guess ... thought this would really be the worst of the Caliber ...). That might be it.

[@RatziFatzi]

its nothing you have to pay for... so some little Hype does not Hurt... Check it out when it does come out... 1-2 Hours playtime is nothing that does hurt anybody

[@timcollins340]

It is great to see some sense of vision coming back to ED. For too long, Frontier put it on the back burner and hoped that player-made content would carry it through. Then they over-concentrated on the Thargoid game arc, which successfully engaged a small proportion of players but left out almost everyone else. The announcements this year make me feel some energy is returning to the ED team and that there is every reason to hope for a better future.

[@markrobertson6664]

I miss this game so much

[@ShaighJosephson]

ED needs base building and custom ship building to save the game... 💥

[@Youda00008]

See, this is a problem. If you read through the comments, everyone says something different what "we need" to save the game. I personally don't think base building belongs to Elite and there is already enough of games that do it. I would much rather see the weapons, ships and engineering rebalanced because there are clearly many bad decisions that make a lot of them useless, and it would not even be a lot of work.

[@womp47]

@@Youda00008 i agree. everyones solution is just "add this!" or "add that!" but the only way they can revive the game is to fix all of the bag decisions theyve already made, instead of adding even more just to make it semi fun again. if they dont make a ton of changes, they game will stay dead, and i doubt theyre gonna do that

[@doublegi2880]

​​@@Youda00008well guys like you are those that frontier listens and the result is dead game we all stopped playing. Base building doesn't belong into elite? We have whole galaxy! Your house in real life doesn't belong in milky way? You're so redicolus

[@Youda00008]

@@doublegi2880Frontier listens to guys like me? lol. Then why half of the weapons are useless, 2/3 of the engineering don't make sense, anti-alliasing still doesn't work properly, and grinding is stupid beyond recognition. The only one ridiculous are people still asking for excessive unrealistic things: "Add planets with animals", "Add ship interiors", "Add base building" ... "and do all of that for free, in a 20$ game". Do you have any idea how much work any of that is? I do, and the price of the game would have to be doubled at least. Why don't you go play Space Engineers or No Mans Sky and stop complaining about Elite Dangerous not having every content and every space game mechanic imaginable? Elite needs fixing, balancing and revisiting the core gameplay first, and then we can start talking about new content.

[@doublegi2880]

@@Youda00008 egosoft managed to do it and they have like 10-20 employees.

[@beardedbear4737]

Yeah this isnt really anything exciting. Should have just overhauled engineering.

[@Romkar]

Eh, I've expected a lot more tbh but that will do

[@JSRJS]

"I expected a lot more" .... this should be the slogan for Elite and Dangerous

[@JohnMichaelson]

How long do they really think people wander around stations looking at decorations?! The galaxy map is quite nice looking. The problem with Powerplay, like everything else, is that it's nigh-on impossible to actually do anything that has any meaning over any period of time. How many times have some of those systems flipped over the last few years? Dozens? And for what?

[@EmeraldView]

Obsidian Ant!!

[@draleharnett1843]

Powerplay changes? Nah.

[@gapper3]

FD lost me when they stopped supporting VR.

[@RatziFatzi]

why, you can Still Play it in VR...