New Brose Motor Coming Soon! | EMBN Show 348

[@embn]

What do you think of the new Brose motor?

[@greenfishpinkowl]

Already lacking behind dji!

[@robertpatrick3350]

Will this product require years of post launch development like the previous ones… fixing the water sealing issue and premature failures should be a priority for Brose….. leak detection and vibration monitoring would save future customers from catastrophic failures. The performance nrs are great marketing however they need to focus on durability.

[@JorenMathews]

@@greenfishpinkowl Too soon to say really. You can't buy either of them yet, but I bet you'll be able to buy the Brose sooner.

[@jcsworkshop5906]

Noooot for me thanks 😂

[@greenfishpinkowl]

@@JorenMathews very true!

[@jokermtb]

I wish EMBN when introducing new ebikes, indicate if the battery is removable or not - this is a crucial bit of info many riders who live in seasonally frozen climates need to know, in order to bring only the battery indoors for recharging. That said, I'm set on smaller batteries 400-600 watt/hr is a sweet spot of not too bulky, yet enough for a few hours of riding, as I like a lighter front end for popping wheelies and lifting up the front for trail obstacles (heavier batteries make that ever so much more difficult and inconvenient)

[@user-gk1lb1kd4h]

Embn "sells" only canyon 😅

[@kingerz]

Also needed in hotel rooms, hot climates and for numerous other situations.

[@e_mtb]

So the new Specialized Turbo Levos can be expected soon... 🙃

[@andyarchitect]

That battery could probably have been a bit better integrated visually into the frame, but I don't fundamentaly have an issue with external batteries... they are super easy to take on and off the bike, and I don't think bikes should hide the fact they are emtbs.

[@andyarchitect]

I never considered how crank length affected motor cadence. For a motor like the the Bosch SX that likes a high cadence short cranks would be a great idea. Equally they could be a bad idea for older Yamaha motors that deliver their power best at a lower cadence.

[@heywood165]

The Rocky Mountain Powerplay is another emtb that benefits from short (155mm) cranks. I got some a few weeks ago and the motor spins at power perfectly. 80 to 95 rpm is a lot more comfortable now, previously with long cranks (170mm) my natural cadence was 65 to 75 rpm.

[@deesis4962]

Titanium e-bike looks sick. External battery looks fine

[@thebodaciousbing3950]

Florencia Espineria is now 3x emtb champion. 🎉🎉🎉

[@mitch_smith]

comment in the dialogue box: Team Rich. Frame mounted batteries look like a garage job, though I recognize they work.

[@FWCaptain-kv6sm]

i'm holding till the e pinion shows up in canada

[@nobrakes7247]

Exactly if it doesn't have a gearbox I don't what to know about it. I was hoping a Merida 160 with opinion would be nice something the little man can afford

[@robbief1]

The top tube on those Cube bikes all prepped for the new Bosch display. I don’t understand why they (Bosch) just don’t show us it

[@user-gk1lb1kd4h]

Me either

[@bruce.KAY-bike-drifter]

Regarding the Brose motors. Wouldn't it be good if I could change out my old 8-year-old Brose motor on my lovely Specialized S-Works Turbo Levo 6 Fattie, which has already been refurbished once, for a brand new? What if the battery mounting standards enabled swapping motors in/out of our e-bikes just like we upgrade forks, shocks, brakes, drive-trains etc.?

[@markusilomaki8922]

Love a well executed external battery, rather than poorly executed internal battery 😊

[@vashon100]

8:10 Brose motor

[@barryholt3526]

Can't wait to see the 95nm specialized bikes. Seeing Steve out in Switzerland with the Specialized design team can only mean the embargo will be lifted really soon though. He definitely wasn't there to lie about the first emtb being a spesh invention.

That Cube stereo one77 looks nice with the new Bosch motor and battery... however, only 2-3 years warranty on the frame makes me wonder about quality and durability of the frame. I think I shall be waiting for a longer travel Levo with the new Brose

[@johntraeger4770]

How about a 2020 Levo SL with 6400km on it? Still runs great, still is the noisiest motor of the pack!

[@rogerhuston8287]

Wish you guys would cover gravel and cross country bikes a bit more.

[@YTOnlineReviews]

Amazing Show.Keep going.

[@dpad_dave]

It's time for a new Kenevo with UDH, Transmission and new Brose Drive 3 Peak motor! Haven't even paid off my current Kenevo but I'd be all over that

[@danielsimmonds5162]

Team Owen, I am not a snob and have to "hide" the battery pretending it is an "Acoustic"! 😁😜

[@syncroG60golf]

I'd love to see some proper video coverage of EMTB racing

[@Wexi1990]

Hello😊 i really like this channel, interesting stuff💪 i just got few weeks ago my first emtb, after few years of waiting. Before i used to drive 2004-2006 year model Tunturi f22 hardtail. Now i got KTM macina kapoho 7971, bosch cx motor, 750wh battery, shimano deore brakes and gears. Fox 36 and fox float suspension. Love that bike, but i’m wondering why don’t many people show ktm here in youtube. I made some channel for my bike, where i can show some features and riding☺️

[@VadikRamm]

9:02 Belt is gone? You have my attention, Brose!

[@siriosstar4789]

Beltless ? It's the belt that made Brose a Brose. Forget the specs and hype the real test will be what the riders think of the new motor .

[@thealchemist794]

An upgrade to the Gen 3 Brose would be nice similar to the Ep8 👌🏻

[@hindesite]

Brose: 410% assist CYC Photon: pfft...

[@adriandanel2563]

Whi did you dig out the brose motor just now? 2 yers we are waiting, this motor is notnin any nbike yet

[@jonathanlincoln4759]

The new Cube e-bikes look ❤

[@lukasvrana6388]

I dont like Cube due their categories - enduro bike should do more than 120cm jumps (cat4) :D Everybody is happy about quality and price, until warranty need...

[@ethansanquist]

Hopefully the torque is up to the hype

[@N3AJ]

NEW cube no battery indication and ready for the new display = new bosch system?

[@e_mtb]

Yes :) CX5 is coming soon, they are not allowed to make any statements on it, Bosch has forbidden it

[@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v]

Fender are one of the most over looked performance parts on a bike. EMTB are starting to change that and yes I did say performance.

[@user-gk1lb1kd4h]

I have ordered the new one44 it has new battery powertube 800 but the cx motor is the same like old 22bike with new software.

[@dunkie976]

@askembn Speaking of batteries, I have a Kona Remote 160 with an internal 504w shimano battery but would like to boost my range, is there and extender or more energy dense aftermarket batteries out there? Because I don't think I can mount a longer battery into the downtube.

[@neilelliston]

Is it me, or did they talk about the cubes as if they didnt want to..... 🤔

[@user-gk1lb1kd4h]

😂😂😂

[@MorseQuincy-r5u]

Rau Circles

[@paulhusky580bts]

Chris Smith is riding Hardtail Haibike Alltrack 6 it same Ebike I got I got Allmtn 2 with Zeb ultimate my Alltrack 6 got Pike ultimate

[@joehoeper4648]

Team Rich - that Ti ebike is fugly. Expensive and fugly.

[@barryholt3526]

Team Owen.

[@vin374]

Mop head is annoying

[@Zetler]

So DJI is going to 1000w while Brose heads to 600w. 🤨

[@andyarchitect]

There is probably an argument that at some point you can have too much power. Reliability is a high priority for riders and manufacturers, and inevitably the more power you push through a mechanical system the bigger the challenge to keep it small and light whilst retaining reliability. There is also the argument of how much power does the average rider actually need? I would say arround 70Nm and above will satisfy most people. At a certain power output it becomes a challenge to control power delivery where tires break traction on slippy and loose ground and it becomes more suited to pro riders such as the Bosch race motor. Also the more powerful the motor the faster it will empty the battery. I assume that Brose presumably in collaboration with Specalized decided that the specs for this new motor were the sweet spot that would satisfy the most riders. Also it wouldn't surprise me if there is a software update further down the line as we have seen with both Bosch and Shimano, or a race tuned version for competition use.

[@jokermtb]

@@andyarchitect the 60n/m Fauza equipped Transition Relay that I rode last weekend was more than enough power to winch up the gnarliest uphills Marquette South trails had to offer....more power can often be more of a hindrance (just ask anyone who has ever ridden a 450 MX bike)

[@woidmoasta4673]

I have a bosch Cx Gen 4 also around 600watt. Thats more than enough Power. 1000watt is way overpowered i think and the problem is it would Destroy Battery Juice in short Time.

[@Zetler]

@@woidmoasta4673 No one is going to ride at 1000 watts, not even Bafang, the watts and Nm king operates at 1000 watts all the time but rather peaks at this range for extreme climbs. If you’re carrying an 800wh battery then all the power makes sense.

[@markgrimshaw4761]

@andyarchitect Hi, I just wanted to make a point about your comment. I've actually got a Focus Sam2 2018 with the E8000 shimano motor, which you'll probably know is 70Nm. For myself, it's just not enough torque. I've also got a ktm Prowler with the bisch Gen 4 - 85Nm. I find that absolutely amazing, especially compared to the E8000. Having seen that the new brose is 95 Nm, that sounds 👌 our Emtb future certainly is bright I can't wait 😀

[@lozetchells9164]

How can it have the old brose feeling without the belt? Very disappointed with that

[@nickclarkuk]

Perhaps they couldn't advance motor life with out losing it. I own a Turbo and worry that it's a weak point long term.

[@HarryKuloh]

You havent ridden the new system, so dont be disappointed yet.

[@andyarchitect]

Maybe it feels better 😀 I'm sure they won't have made it worse, otherwise they wouldn't release it.

[@jokermtb]

they added suspenders......