J. R. R. Tolkien vs George R. R. Martin. Epic Rap Battles of History

J. R. R. Tolkien vs George R. R. Martin. Epic Rap Battles of History
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[@dudleybalrog7348]

This took until season 5 because Martin needed that long to write his verses.

[@demetriusstone7791]

Ha!

[@exxocraft2216]

+Matt Crowell Roasted!

[@AndrewCantley]

+Matt Crowell Haha this is brilliant

[@kinglink9541]

+patience 2277 So you are spam trolling an ERB video with anti-semitic nonsense? Really? Are you that pathetic?

[@user-zk1ic1gb5i]

+patience 2281 could you get any more random? So what if Jews hold a lot of power? would you be as alarmed as you are now if a follower of the Aesir , held a lot of power?

[@leostav750]

"Even the names of your characters suck" Bold words from someone who named a dragon "Drogon".

[@Riri-oj1zs]

Against someone naming his dragons: Glaurung Smaug and.... Ancalagon

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

@@Riri-oj1zs Scatha

[@SoulGizmo]

Lmao

[@litzzon1]

Bold for someone, who called one of the main characters Sam...it feels somehow familiar

[@vwgames49]

Tolkien named a tree "Treebeard"

[@josephcoulter6954]

I love that it starts with Martin claiming the title of 'Lord', but Tolkien finishes with reminding Martin that even if he's a lord, Tolkien is still the king.

[@dennisvondoom]

Lord and king are the same

[@saadwani9175]

​@@dennisvondoomstudy a bit more

[@Surno69]

@@dennisvondoomnope, no they’re not

[@RoninDave]

@@dennisvondoom maybe in your bizzaro world but not the real world

[@drrockkso8882]

​@dennisvondoom LOL no they absolutely are not. "Lord" is a title used by noblemen who have hereditary lands and/or titles but are not part the immediate royal family. Kings and princes use titles like "Your Highness", "Your Majesty", "Your Grace", etc

[@robertjustice3814]

Tolkien: “Brag all you like about your show, George But take this to heart. As a writer you got nothin’ ‘Cause I FINISH WHAT I START!!”

[@oscarsalazar5876]

Yes but unfortunately also, no. He die and his son finished many of his other books. So this wouldn't be accurate to Tolkien.

[@bitterfox518]

@@oscarsalazar5876, but he still managed to end the main story.

[@spongeyspikes09]

@@oscarsalazar5876 and considering the fact Martin refuses to let another writer end the books if he ever passes away It's plausible that he will NEVER finish his books

[@Novictus]

@@spongeyspikes09 The man just really doesn't appreciate his fanbase.

[@spongeyspikes09]

@@Novictus at this point I would rather read fanfiction of his work knowing fanfic writers write faster and better than he will ever be And just to spite him

[@laurahersey4360]

Tolkien did all his work on a typewriter and still managed to complete his stories.

[@generalawesome7279]

But Martin is still alive which means he is still writing his books and can still complete them. These comments are gonna be invalid unless Martin dies without finishing.

[@ioanaberbece1994]

Oooooo, BURN!!! 😂😂😂👍

[@LdyVder]

@@generalawesome7279 Either Martin is a slow writer, has massive writer's block, or his editors have a lot of work, but it shouldn't take five years on average to release a book, especially one in a series of them. It can take that long to get the first book published, but it shouldn't take that long for the rest in the series. The Sookie Stackhouse books by Charlaine Harris was released on a yearly basis with 13 books total. Which were the basis for True Blood. Robert Jordan released 11 of the 14 Wheel of Time books in a 15 year span. Then dying and had enough notes for someone else to finish the series which included Jordan's epilogue in the last book of the series. I doubt Martin has that and I truly doubt the last two books in the series get published any time soon.

[@godfreyofbouillon966]

Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth is a collection of stories and essays by J. R. R. Tolkien that were never completed during his lifetime, but were edited by his son Christopher Tolkien and published in 1980. What I am trying to say that stupid fanboys who have no idea what they are talking about is extremely cringy.

[@fermintenava5911]

Comparing them on that level is fruitless anyway, because Tolkien needed six years for the Lord of the Rings alone and a lifetime to edit the Silmarillon. The Hobbit and other smaller writings were only finished because he wrote them for special occasions and with lowered standards.

[@Shadowkirby14]

Unlike George R.R. Martiin, Tolkien knows how this rap battle ends.

[@therealwild1]

Where is the lie?

[@ethanh6370]

BURN

[@maryw9320]

At least Tolkien FINISHED his story!

[@vinzcastro9304]

@@maryw9320 Tolkien wrote until death... Martin is still alive

[@maryw9320]

@@vinzcastro9304 True, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed he does finish the Ice and Fire series, but he's not exactly a spring chicken and there are still two books to go.

[@eruditonaranja27]

Tolkien taking off the Ring of Power and appearing in the intro is so genius

[@user-ww1tp7ls1v]

and therefore saying he didn't need the ring of power to finish this battle.

[@mr.elveaner9723]

@@user-ww1tp7ls1v He cannot use it, none of us can

[@theenderdestruction2362]

​@@mr.elveaner9723he can use it but I feel like that's mostly to do with his own power as the author dealing with the ring that or sauron actually respects him or fears him or both

[@jdtesch86]

holy crap i've watched this video actual dozens of times and only after reading this comment realized what was happening

[@theenderdestruction2362]

@@jdtesch86 did you also how sauron was watching over the entire battle the entire time as well?

[@00_BRUHH]

Considering Martin's actually a huge fan of Tolkien, i feel like he'd be honored to be insulted, fat shamed, and roasted by his idol

[@shanedog007]

This is good stuff :)

[@crows_are_superior4464]

Who wouldn’t be?

[@rambleonwithrosie]

I don't think there's a nerd living who wouldn't be honored to receive a verbal beat down from Tolkien 😂

[@AskarTheIt]

Is he really a fan?

[@00_BRUHH]

@@AskarTheIt yes, he is. Martin based Game of thrones off of LOTR, and he even despises "Tolkien Imitators" who, in his words, sell "Degraded Goods" of Tolkien's work

[@RexTiredAF]

"You even stole my RR" Yep, Tolkien won this round.

[@W123FOoL]

That did make me LOL!

[@JigenLune]

He was even gesturing the letter R in American Sign Language as he was saying that

[@semv.e3885]

And he even said in the line before ‘you’re a pirate’ the proceeds to make the R’s sound like ‘argh argh’. The thought that goes into these lines still amazes me today

[@pellejohansen]

What does RR mean?

[@pyanbredersen1235]

This RRound

[@jeper3460]

I just realized that Tolkien takes off the ring in the beginning, which is why he suddenly appears.

[@DioStandsStill]

I never realized it my brain must be playing with me!!!

[@MrPrajitura]

Shit, dude, MIND BLOWN

[@eazy8579]

Of course. He's the only being capable of handling its dark power

[@stephiregaming7927]

Omg how did i not notice that?

[@Lugo428]

You have keen eyes, master Jeper.

[@VampireFan-rf5kb]

George R.R. Martin: Your hobbit hole heroes can't handle my throne! J.R.R. Tolkien: *Challenge accepted.*

[@thatjeff7550]

Danny DeVito as JRRT: So that's when I started blastin'!

[@michalsoukup1021]

One thing I am sad they did not include is that Tolkien, having every excuse not to go to war again, being past draft age, and in reserve occupation, volunteered for frontline duty in WWII.

[@KNJpd]

What a legend. Putting him up against Martin seems as insulting as putting Roosevelt against Trump/Clinton

[@BogaSlawa]

@@KNJpd Roosevelt was worse than either....he simply dressed and spoke better

[@lanceclement4087]

@@BogaSlawayou’re an idiot

[@elisabethhughes6005]

Heartwarming and somehow so sad at the same time. What a dignified man.

[@joshwist556]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@BogaSlawa How? The fucking Chad was fighting corporate monopolies left and right, enacted the national forests to preserve our landscape, AND GAVE YOU THE FDA! He is the sole reason Corporate rats can’t sell you feces as chocolate and human meat as beef. Trump and Biden don’t have the brain nor spine to do a single shit Theodore did. Say what you want about his imperialistic thoughts but he was at least fucking honest about it, which is already better than all the rats we call presidents today hiding and lying through their teeth every second.

[@steinistbaum2236]

I was not expecting Martin to finish a rap battle, I thought he'd quit halfway through.

[@bretsheeley4034]

My guess is that Martin started rapping for ERB Season 1 and promised 7 verses.

[@kylexinye1990]

For what it's worth, Martin clearly finishes some things. Like his meals.

[@roseholegha4883]

@@kylexinye1990 DAYUM

[@LolLol-cg8en]

I mean Tolkien wasn’t much better

[@sr71silver]

@@LolLol-cg8en at least Tolkien had the dignity to keep writing till he died.

[@ftd888]

“But you’ve got a hairy foot fetish, dog.” Bold words for someone who’s story starts and ends due to incest.

[@lunaangeleclipse9745]

lmao

[@yunehversomi1458]

I think partly that’s inspired by history where nobles and royalty often kept it in the family and married each other. Because Martin does borrow a lot from history.

[@theunholygamer6474]

I mean that's how it was back then lol u can't change history

[@Deaglan753]

@@yunehversomi1458 not just that but there were also brothers and sisters from different Kingdoms and empire would marry heirs from another empire or kingdom, in which sometimes was one of there family members, a good example would be the Hapsburgs

[@thossi09]

@@yunehversomi1458 For the most part , people (even royalty and nobles) avoided marrying their siblings.

[@ethansexton2590]

7 years later and this is still an absolute beat down by Tolkien

[@kemp9842]

It's an even worse beatdown given just how poorly Martin's "hottest show on HBO" line aged.

[@MphoLukoto-lx9jk]

​@@kemp9842house of the dragon enters the chat

[@kemp9842]

@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk Still doesn't erase just how badly Game of Thrones fumbled in the end goal.

[@MphoLukoto-lx9jk]

@@kemp9842 "hottest show on HBO" line still stands though

[@vylbird8014]

And we're still waiting on Georgie-Boy to finish up his story.

[@achintyarajimwale618]

The funny part is that after the first verse, Martin's lines all talked about Tolkien's works. Even in a rap battle, Martin could only talk about Tolkien's works and not his. That is the level Tolkien plays at.

[@gregpeloquin6345]

He talked about his own too... about how he makes characters and then kills them... Granted, I agree Tolkien crushed here...but still that's not entirely accurate.

[@dom1941]

“I’ll cut you like my teeth on Beauty and the Beast” “My show’s the hottest thing on HBO” So what about these two lines?

[@FilmyDost007]

A Song of Ice and Fire>>>Lotr

[@kevinerives8975]

@@FilmyDost007 I know its sacrilege but I also like ASOIAF more that LOTR.

[@HivefleetMagoladon]

@@kevinerives8975 I think the biggest problem with LotR for a modern audience is that it's TOO influential. It's pretty much defined and shaped the genre of Fantasy since it was published, meaning that to a modern reader it seems cliché and stereotypical.

[@user-oi6gr8xw9h]

Tolkien could have rapped in multiple different languages- that he created

[@Reven157]

English, Dutch, french, german, icelandic (for some reason) sindarin and probably more

[@dekaw9138]

Raviv Amorij he means elvish and blackspeak

[@zanewolfe9754]

@@dekaw9138 To be fair, Tolkien was also a linguistics specialist, being able to read, write, and speak multiple languages. However he ALSO created far more than just Elvish and Blackspeak. He has five or six languages to his name, each of which he created by using his knowledge of real languages.

[@SuperPuzzler]

And still would've rapped rings around Martin, but this was the Rap to Rule Them All.

[@user-vq6ik4kk1r]

Я Смерть I read your comment so wrong 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@stevenbyford5615]

"In book sales, you've got nothing to say I'm number one and two You're under Fifty Shades of Grey" There are no words to describe how savage that was.

[@Maninawig]

Especially right after George said "you need more sex in your books"

[@Duckledore]

"That wound will never fully heal. He will carry it the rest of his life."

[@iceman4208]

Extremely

[@Cl0ckcl0ck]

'You myopic manatee' comes pretty close.

[@grentahhh1781]

Emotional Damage

[@Adashofhawtsauc3]

“But news flash, THE GENRES CALLED FANTASY ITS MEANT TO BE UNREALISTIC YOU MYOPIC MANATEE” he’s got a point ngl Edit:this comment is a year old, I forgot about it until someone replied today, I’m genuinely surprised that it’s still going

[@bananasmatter1321]

Tolkien didn't believe this though. For him fantasy was as real as any other story. Read "On Fairy Stories" and you'll see.

[@FirefulXD]

no that's actually not how fantasy works. you're thinking about fairy tales

[@bananasmatter1321]

@@FirefulXD fairy tales which are part of a people's mythology which is what fantasy was in the first place: a mythos for the English...

[@FirefulXD]

@@bananasmatter1321 fantasy has very obviously evolved from fairy tales since then. sorry i was replying to the original comment/line, not your comment, which i agree with

[@bananasmatter1321]

@@FirefulXD just read "On Fairy Stories"

[@LoreleiSlayer]

Martin: All your bad guys die and your good guys survive. Meanwhile Silmarillion: *+/- 150 named characters dead in just one book, mostly elves and humans of good side* Also Silmarillion: *Battle of unnumbered tears* Again Silmarillion: *Betrayals, fall of whole kingdoms of good side, Turin's life in torment and misery* Yeah... like hell they survive, Fatman.

[@starrynight6268]

Not mentioning those who died in The Hobbit and the LoTr Trilogy itself: Thorin Kill Fili Balín Ori Boromir Theoden Isildur Elendil Aragon and Arwen (After they ruled Gondor)

[@jessicacaron5084]

The funny thing is there is a character in ASOIAF named Beren Tallhart - but of course that's a character from the one story that ends well! (also you forgot the time where they kill seven named characters in one sentence and almost half of them are only mentioned in that one sentence)

[@pietervanderveld3096]

As Tolkien said, both Jon Snow and Martin know nothing

[@tubetorpedo]

Also survived is a relative term, not all losses are physical. E.g. Frodo who was practically main character of LotR never full recovered his journey and only Sam and maybe Gandalf even knew the totality of what he had sacrificed by being the Ring bearer. Because his deeds were not on battlefields he never even got any recognition back home, while he was the key character (among Sam) in good guys victory. Ending of LotR was quite sad (or bittersweet, depends) for that reason alone, all who did not die did not survive either. While Tolkiens mythological/fantastical history was quite "clean" (no sex, gore or muck), they still had quite a few levels behind them. Even Hobbit had it's bits of losses while it was done as kids book.

[@orchardhouse9241]

Oh, those Feanorians! You didn't even mention the three Kinslayings.

[@robinalonso-desouza7245]

"My show's the hottest thing on HBO" Well. That didn't age well.

[@jdbarr769]

When Arya nothing personal kid and subverted expectations; Wow, what a stinker!

[@humanskinnergames4520]

I swear I saw Scott gimple in the background behind the dragon like if u get the joke

[@vampahh1171]

It's three years since this video came out...

[@ouchiegiverjr]

Dr Heaven MD yeah...sigh

[@purity_2428]

i mean it still is i am on season 2 its crazy

[@AtariDad]

I'm not so sure about who won, but I do know who lost: Sean Bean.

[@birdmn9930]

Omfg xD

[@pandazatthedisco]

+Atari Dad HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, bless you man.

[@TorqueBacklash]

And now I'm sad

[@SunniLeBoeuf]

I cri

[@ssjluxray7435]

+Atari Dad just don't Robb hear that and you should be good, nope never mind. Uh make that the King in the North

[@rhyssdavidv.marasigan7469]

The fact im watching this 7 years later show how timeless ERB is

[@DeaconShadow]

I've probably watched it three dozen times at this point.

[@allemagneproducer]

but who are u anyway :D jk

[@rhyssdavidv.marasigan7469]

@@allemagneproducer im a random 11 yr old

[@artbargra]

Unlike that HBO line *wink*

[@guy3557]

Tolkien's ending verse references the three books in order: "You can't reach this fellow" (The Fellowship of the Ring) "Shit, I'm too Towering" (The Two Towers) "Every time I battle, it's return of the King." (The Return of the King)

[@Suo_kongque]

Actually, I’m pretty fellow, shit is close to fellow ship. So even closer

[@rowdyreidgirl]

Woo!!

[@martavdz4972]

And the second verse could be understood as "I´m Two-Towering", so it´s even more brilliant 🙂

[@bonnecherie]

All of his works got a mention, and I love how they incorporated them in.

[@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808]

0/10 not realistic IRL Tolkien would have created a new language specifically designed for rap and mastered it all within two minutes

[@KZG.Silent_Scribe]

Dude I felt that so much 🤣

[@QuintarFarenor]

I try to imagine how a language especially made for rapping would sound like. Would every word end the same way so it all would rhyme? I wonder.

[@tiffanyl4829]

I don't normally say this as it is over-used but...Yaaaaaassss, queen!

[@HarmonySword]

It would have been overkill. That's why Tolkien humored Martin by beating him in his own language.

[@Alisibeth_Talia212]

FELT THAT. He starts dissing him in Black Speech and Elvish.

[@smiff9577]

“You’re a pirate. You even stole my R.R.” So much in such a little line.

[@JuanHernandez-qj7uq]

"All your bad guys die and your good guys survive" Thorin, Fili, Kili, and Boromir would like to have a word with you.

[@genie153]

Juan Hernandez you just took someone comment ironic

[@smiff9577]

@@JuanHernandez-qj7uq You’re the pirate!

[@filon738]

Nice reference

[@Lord_Numpty]

@@JuanHernandez-qj7uq What of Theoden, as well as Hurin and his family?

[@everlasting9292]

Also, as someone who still sheds a tear over the ending over The Hobbit no matter how many times I read the book or watch any iteration of the movies, not all Tolkien’s good guys survive. 😭

[@jgamer2228]

Thorin deserved to be King under the Mountain if any dwarf did

[@TheMacC117]

Boromir over here sighing cause no one remembers him..

[@tljsucks1166]

@@TheMacC117 If only Robert had gone hunting sober, wait no…

[@PieBoy4242]

Don't forget Frodo. He may be alive, but he'll never be the same and he'll never be with his brothers again. It's one of the more poignant parts of the Lord of the Rings. Like veterans of WWI, some of the survivors never really came home.

[@OshaVids]

well with Thorin's death bed speech, how could you not?

[@Craxin01]

I only recently learned George R.R. Martin was a writer and producer for the Ron Pearlman and Linda Hamilton show Beauty and the Beast, so I totally missed that lyric he said about cutting his teeth on Beauty and the Beast the first time watching.

[@christianboehlefeld5168]

Totally unrelated; R.L. Stine of Goosebumps fame was the head writer for a Nickelodeon children's show called Eureka's Castle, it was a puppet show and it was awesome.

[@timjefferson8076]

Why did they not mention the fact that Tolkien accomplished something that Martin probably never will: FINISHED THE STORY.

[@snurdburglar6854]

this was years ago bruh

[@edwardhardwick2180]

Not quite. Tolkien never finished the Silmarillion, as it was published after his death by his son Christopher Tolkien, who edited together the various tales his father had written into a cohesive whole. However, Tolkien does have an excuse for this as unlike Martin, Tolkien wasn't a full time author as he had a full time job as a professor of lingustics at Oxford University. He didn't write these books because it was his job or to make money, he wrote them because it damn well pleased him to do so.

[@Kyuuketsuki47]

@@edwardhardwick2180 What does the Silmarillion have to do with anything? JRR Tolkien wrote two stories and finished them. The Hobbit and LotR. So what if he failed to finish his third? GRRM has 1 story, which has been going since 1991. It took Tolkien 12 years to write LotR, and like you said, he had a full time profession ON TOP of that. Heck, its been a decade since the last ASOIF novel.

[@samhowes4738]

@@edwardhardwick2180 the thing is Tolkien couldn’t finish the Silmarillion because he died. Martin just isn’t writing his books

[@theteutonking3306]

@@edwardhardwick2180 also the fact that well, _Tolkien fucking died_

[@MK-pt3iy]

"One does not simply battle Tolkien."

[@isdrakon9802]

You are simply flattened like being run over by a stream roller

[@potatoeater9499]

Yes

[@Maya-qt3bw]

He shall be shattered by the comments of the fans

[@sovereign4535]

He shall be ripped apart by elves,dwarves,hobbits and many more creatures before being trampled by armies and having his remains burnt until not even ashes remain

[@wojciechkowalski8061]

Ah, yes. A famous words of Lord Eddard Stark.

[@kitsunedude]

The "I cut my teeth in the Somme while you LARPED your Santa Clause ass through through Vietnam" is colder than anything else dropped

[@vylenkenree2776]

i love this, but weirdly the one thing I'm really impressed about is how Peter managed to sell this old and fragile man with subtle body language. its really impressive

[@drrockkso8882]

Peter is amazing at nailing the body language and mannerisms of every character he plays.

[@mithrasabyss2765]

Tbh Tolkien was actually pretty fit even late in life.. IMO Martin is a lot less fit than Tolkien was at a similar age

[@lawrencemichael5571]

"I'm number 1 and 2, you're under fifty shades of Grey" * *MARTIN BEING DESTROYED* *

[@floatingblaze8405]

Extramely underrated bar, this was absolute fire!

[@ThemeParkAvenue]

That was my favorite line, especially since Martin was holding a giant copy of Fellowship of the Ring.

[@sougotokiwa8439]

And Daenerys gets destroyed every night... 🤣

[@SCP_Wandsman13_13]

I thought killing a radroach in Fallout 4 was easy. This is even easier and more entertaining.

[@irrelevant_noob]

Lawrence Michael -DESTORYED- Thanks for editing that. :-)

[@totalvoid6234]

"My show's the hottest thing on HBO!" Well THAT aged poorly.

[@gustavogutierrez6568]

Indeed

[@mohammedhamadeh4987]

Don't worry, LOTR is following suit

[@_Vaal_Hazak_]

It aged like milk lol

[@imamfakhruddin1015]

@@mohammedhamadeh4987 Nah, no matter how the show's going to be is of no effect to the trilogy. They stand alone

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@mohammedhamadeh4987 Hey the trilogy is frankly untouchable at this point. Those movies are so good people actually prefer to watch the extended editions. Which is insane to consider.

[@theunknown7540]

"You're a pirate you even stole my R.R." That line is underrated.

[@Trucmuch]

Of all the lines, that's the one most praised in the comments. So, of course, it's "underrated" 🤦

[@panda4247]

undeRRated?

[@alexanderohnemus1545]

Ironically, if the two actually met, based off interviews, I think they would get along.

[@vylbird8014]

And probably write a cookbook.

[@martavdz4972]

They would, but I think Tolkien would have some reservations about Martin´s books. Their values differ a lot.

[@charlespayne2002]

I think Tolkien would be gracious. But I don't think they would "be friends". Just look at Tolkien's contemporaries. Lewis,Barfield,Williams, and Coghill among others. Not to mention the Oxford faculty. Martin just can't contend with that level of intellect. There are few who can.

[@gensfleisch332]

Of course. GRRM loved Tolkiens books.

[@davidsekhleyan693]

​@@charlespayne2002 Martin is intelligent as well, he's just lazy.

[@Holy98989898]

FunFact. Sir Christopher Lee was the only one in the lord of the rings cast who met Tolkien IRL.

[@elaineb7065]

And that must have been one epic meeting as they compared their world wars (Tolkien in the first, Lee in the second). Or maybe several...

[@dmt_useless2254]

I know tolkien wanted him to play grndalf but he ended up playing saruman

[@Solnoric]

@@elaineb7065 more like it was maybe 90 seconds as tolkien said hello to a friend at the same table while Chris was locked up starstruck. According to christopher lee, at any rate.

[@karol9205]

@@elaineb7065 tolkien and count dooku must look epic

[@OMARG431]

I-N R-E-A-L L-I-F-E. You're welcome

[@MDMetal]

"All your good guys survive." Boromir: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@goncalomonteiro8395]

two words: Sean Bean

[@BuckingBadger]

Even George stole Sean Bean from J.R.R

[@hitandruncommentor]

umm, yes Boromir, the memes have made you immortal.

[@ranger3576]

Don’t forget Gandalf

[@Sauric121]

@Cyborg1337 The whole point of Boromir is that he's not just a good guy, he's the best guy. Well....second best guy. Because the point of Aragorn is that he's the best guy. The movies left a lot out, but in the books Aragorn and Legolas sing a song about how awesome Boromir was right after he died. :p

[@michaelkruk]

Petition for C S Lewis vs J K Rowling rap battle. They both have 7 books and are known for their fantastic books of fantasy

[@everythingmustgo4478]

jk would instantly lose 💀

[@michaelkruk]

@@everythingmustgo4478 that’s the point

[@princessarwen9194]

Jk Rowling is a writer not an author whereas CS Lewis is an amazing author. Rowling isn’t original so that’s an automatic loss. 😂

[@phoenixmastrogiovanni157]

jk is a garbage author

[@VanessaMagick]

Considering they didn't even touch Rowling going off the complete deep end in the Potter/Skywalker battle, I don't think they would want that

[@deelaw.]

“Every time I battle it’s the return of the king” that’s a dope line

[@martavdz4972]

You can´t reach this FELLOW, I´m too TOWERING (or Two Towering...?) and every time I battle it´s the RETURN OF THE KING" they managed to slip in all the books in the right order

[@rhysoverbeck5251]

“All your bad guys die and you good guys survive” Everyone who read the silmarillion: *allow us to introduce ourselves*

[@Riri-oj1zs]

Yeah. Lol. Almost everyone in that book died. 🤣

[@lucypanteli6895]

@@Riri-oj1zs Turin and co., Beren and Dior with his twins, Basically almost the entire line of Finwe, a whole freaking continent:. AM I A JOKE TO YOU 😂

[@Riri-oj1zs]

@@lucypanteli6895 🤣 Tolkien was killing the most important characters in his book! How many did GRRM kill? Tolkien killed the entire race of Numenorians! Except for what, a family (Elendil, etc.)? Lol.

[@gonzalovq2488]

GRRM is an amateur. Im still criying the death of Fingolfin and Finrod

[@Alisibeth_Talia212]

YUP

[@corblimey8147]

I feel dumb. I just realized that when he said "You're a pirate. You even stole my R.R." He holds up his fingers like a pirate hook but also the letter R in sign language. A really nice touch

[@joefraney9827]

you never know it could be a reference to what he studied at Oxford University(Linguistics)

[@colechandwel9550]

And don't forget pirates say "ARRR"... it works on many levels.

[@Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004]

Lol

[@akaneh1989]

@@colechandwel9550 I believe that could be why it became the letter's symbol in sign language

[@tadaotakumi9852]

Well, unless you've learnt about sign language, you wouldn't caught up to that. And even then, he did say "you're a pirate", so your mind would totally think of that sign as a hook right away.

[@idkijustexist8558]

what i love about this battle is that even if tolkein won by a mile, its not because the other side was weak, it was because tolkein is that kind of figure thats just untouchable in the literary world. yet regardless of that, martin’s disses and their delivery was brilliant and he would probably win if he was scaled up against any modern author. it kinda makes me glad when erb puts so much effort even into the losing side, you can really see this rap battle has their heart and soul put into it just from the amount of references, flow, acting and editing.

[@deanooooooo6496]

The guys who made this video had too much respect for Tolkien, which is earned, he was from a different time where literary pursuits where more earned and part of everyday. There was no internet or easy research for Tolkien his amusement and entertainment would have been his writing and telling stories to others.

[@crabbieappleton]

Against any modern author? Yeah, no.

[@Dutchofclass]

'all your bad guys die and you good guys survive' Boromir would like to have a word with you George

[@djokealtena2538]

And if you've read The Silmarillion and the Hobbit quite a few heroes more

[@connorbosley4431]

​@@djokealtena2538basically everyone in the silmarillion except the valar, elrond, and cirdan.

[@djokealtena2538]

@@connorbosley4431 ssshhh don't spoil it for em.

[@tubetorpedo]

Even LotR has several good guys who do not survive, add Hobbit and Silmarillion on top of that then plenty of good heroes who gets killed. So that line was not especially accurate. While interactions in general might not be as Machiavellian as Martin's works, Tolkien did not spare his characters either especially earlier times before Sauron's return to power has goodies taking plenty of beatings at various points. Writing style is quite different but being on a good side on Tolkien's stories does not mean you survive.

[@EJUNCO1]

"every time I battle is the return of the king!" Tolkien is a fucking legend

[@NoobMicesters]

"shit im two towering"

[@MayoZrooski]

Battle this (F)ellow

[@apollo8008]

Battle this fellow shit, get it. Alright.

[@mf1520]

#Rekt

[@apollo8008]

J.R.R Toilet really ? Dude you're not even old enough to watch GoT.

[@christianconrad242]

I really love the fact that Tolkien wrote one of the greatest literary franchises of all time because he created a new language and wanted an excuse to use it.

[@Talinrogue]

not just one new language.but many languages for elves, the ents, dark speech, dwarvish and many more.

[@hailtothevic]

Languages. Plural. Nobody in history has or ever will be as extra as Tolkien

[@hunter30432]

It’s actually kind of par for the course for new languages to be created. You can pay people to do that nowadays.

[@christianconrad242]

@@hunter30432 It is now. But, I don't think that was the case in the 1950s.

[@hailtothevic]

@@hunter30432 JRR walked so other fantasy writers could run!

[@mr.goliathssmallshow6772]

The raps are genuinely amazing in this one, but I only just noticed the incorporation of Immigrant Song's beat at the mention of Led Zeppelin (2:07). Genuinely amazes me how even after years there are tiny details I'm still noticing in these things, especially such creative stuff like that. Truly goes to show how much these guys have cared since day 1.

[@loganmott2015]

Listen to The Battle of Evermore. They literally say “and Gollum’s and the Evil One swept up and slipped away with her” meaning the ring (I think). They were hardcore Tolkien fans. One was into the occult too but let’s speak of those two in the same comment.

[@drrockkso8882]

​​@@loganmott2015The lyric you're referring to is actually from "Ramble On", but "The Battle of Evermore" also directly references stuff from LotR including ringwraiths. Zep were massive Tolkein fans.

[@Alue14]

Gotta say, the bar 'I cut my teeth in the trenches of the Somme, you LARP'ed your Santa Claus Ass through Vietnam!' is still the most epic bar in this entire series, according to me...

[@ShyyGaladriel]

The hook he made with his two fingers in “you even stole my RR” was the American Sign Language for the letter R.

[@lunabeekhuizen8858]

Thank you

[@voyager5174]

also looks like a pirate Hook

[@inforism.]

the layers on this one go deep

[@josephmowery542]

I CAUGHT THAT TOO

[@suflanker45]

Damn Tolkien even beat his ass in ASL. Savage AF.

[@destinytroll1374]

"Lewis and I were just discussing" That's such a powerful boast that the Battle can end there

[@tkraid2575]

Yeah. C.S. Lewis, another notable thinker, a logician, who wrote Alice in Wonderland. A subtle way of saying George isn't in their level 😆

[@iancalhoun7644]

@@tkraid2575 that's Lewis Caroll, CS Lewis wrote Narnia.

[@Briman13]

lmfao C.S Lewis was a chud who rewrote the bible in 7 books. As someone who read through chronicles of Narnia, Martin could literally wipe his ass with the chronicles of Narnia. "eVeRyoNe DiEs AnD AsLaN iS jEsUs" is 9000 times worse than anything D.B Weiss and David Benioff could ever write, as INTERPRETERS of George R.R Martin.

[@Briman13]

"Aslan is Jesus" is so much worse than "dany forgot about the iron fleet"

[@user-mx4is4fx3c]

@@Briman13 finally someone who sees how frustrating his ending for Narnia was

[@laxbros62]

Tolkien's last verse is top 10 bars all time

[@VPSantiago]

Tolkien absolutely obliterated Martin. "got my children making millions off my Silmarillions" - Perfection

[@TheMeta141]

what's even funnier is The Silmarrilion isn't actually a book, it's a bunch of random things Tolkien wrote that his son cobbled together into a somewhat coherent book

[@JM-ch4mo]

It should have been Martin vs Rawling, with Tolkien coming in at the end to school both of them.

[@crucif0x]

@@TheMeta141 "somewhat coherent" is a very kind way of putting it. Every time I pick it up I get a headache

[@esh529]

That line actually aged well… as long as the Amazon series kills it lol

[@Q1nt0]

@@JM-ch4mo maybe after the LOTR series we can see something like that

[@Tuima11]

As Pratchett said of fantasy writers: "We are all standing on Mount Tolkien."

[@BloodyBay]

Even a magnificent and monumental writer like Terry Pratchett must pay homage to the One True King (though Pratchett being a humble, down-to-earth man despite all his fame helped). We all must. And not just authors and readers; we tabletop gamers must pay homage to Tolkien, too. WIthout Dungeons & Dragons, there would never have been any World of Darkness, any Shadowrun, any Harnworld, any Palladium, any Hackmaster, any Bunnies & Burrows or any other tabletop roleplaying games. And without Tolkien's works, there would never have been any Dungeons & Dragons.

[@Slawterer098]

Incorrect qoute as follows: "J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it’s big and up close. Sometimes it’s a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it’s not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji."

[@poshboy4749]

@Warlok Seriously you're suggesting the Conan the Barbarian is better than Tolkien? I mean it's Conan the Barbarian that argument defeats itself.

[@ikpts]

@Warlok Its also hard to ignore the similarities between Tolkein's Lord of the Rings and Wagner's 'Ring Cycle' opera series. People who act like Tolkein invented something have never dug any deeper.

[@stepanvenclik6374]

@@ikpts Right. It is also hard to avoid noticing similarities between Wagner (or Tolkien in that matter) and Scandinavian mythology. Both Tolkien and Wagner based their stories in it, and none of them tried to hide that. You could dismiss almost all modern writing as based on something older. But that is not the point, is it. Adoption of themes is not neccesirly wrong. It matters HOW it is done. Tolkien has IMHO succeeded in making Fantasy mainstream. His creativity was expressed in inventing complex world with thorough history and FREAKING custom languages.

[@utubefuku7132]

"You're a pirate Martin, you even stole my R.R." Truer words have never been said.

[@michaelamaya9032]

"We all know the world of fun of chance and anarchy. So yes it's true to life, bit news flash, IT'S CALLED FANTASY." A quote that Hollywood really needs to hear more of nowadays.

[@retsenretp5078]

"Good guys survive" Boromir crying in the corner.

[@caitlinconsolver7827]

RETSENRET :P lets not forget Theoden, Kili, Fili and Thorin!

[@mordraug]

And those like 50 characters in Silmarillion :D

[@viperswhip]

@@mordraug 50, I am going to count the thousands, tens of thousands of Elves who just fought the good fight but died in the process.

[@filmandfirearms]

Boromir was pretty grey, really. He got his redemption at the end, though, but he did some bad shit

[@viperswhip]

@@filmandfirearms He was a champion before the Ring but desperate, so desperate to save his land that for just a few minutes he was overcome. Grey? I guess, that's fine Davos :)

[@EliteWarrior1026]

When Tolkien says "You're a pirate! You even stole my R R!" he's actually making the Sign Language symbol for the letter R!

[@rejvaik00]

Yeah American sign language the British sign language for the letter R is different

[@Abtron]

In my place it's slang for c*nt.

[@NevTheDeranged]

but it's also kinda like a pirate hook, so... double meaning!

[@Citadel_local]

@@NevTheDeranged That's what I thought it was.

[@Laiser]

@@NevTheDeranged Man, even the visuals are deep. ERB is too good.

[@utubefuku7132]

It's so absolutely untrue that all of Tolkien's good guys "always survive". In the movies themselves we have Boromir, Theoden and Denethor that died. In The Hobbit, half of the dwarves (main characters) die, including Thorin Oakenshield, basically THE MOST important character of the story along with Bilbo. And in the Silmarillion, not only do TONS of main characters die all the time - like Feanor, Fingolfin and countless others - but there's also fratricide wars and countless betrayals, wars between elves and dwarves and even elves with each other. The difference is just that the shitshow that is ASoIF kills characters for mere shock value, which is why this thing will die out while LotR will be eternal

[@dabestestgoblin8495]

There is even incest in the Silmarillion lmao

[@icecell]

The Silm was brutal, man. And he even had deaths in the book meant for _children_ . People who keep saying Tolkien's just generic goody fantasy never read his work.

[@utubefuku7132]

@@PotterMarauder If you dont think that Denethor was good it's probably because you havent read the book. He was in fact an awesome leader for Gondor, and yes he was flawed, which actually makes him a better character, not worse. His wife died during child labor when Faramir was born, which is why he is so cold with Faramir, but in the end he realized how much he loved his son. He also endured a battle of will with Sauron himself, by using constantly the Palantir to know about Sauron's plans, so he was actually a badass, and with that he held Mordor at bay for several decades. This however would end up costing him his mental endurance, after decades of battling will with Sauron over the Palantir, Denethor become more and more desperate, until finally during the battle for Minas Tirith he lost all hope and came to believe that the world of men was doomed. Denethor was actually a good man and a good ruler, a flawed man but still a good person nonetheless, and his story is a tragedy, much more than just simply a moustache swirling villain getting his well deserved fate like how it was portrayed in the movies. Heck, the story of his entire family is a sad tragedy - he loses his wife, and Boromir and Faramir lose their mother, and in the end, Faramir also loses his brother and his father. Good thing that at least Faramir found Eomer and some peace in his life at the end, a well deserving end for someone that endured so much suffering. Alas, poor Denethor. He was only human.

[@acr7780]

How does Asoiaf kill for shock value? The deaths are foreshadowed. The characters make multiple poor decisions leading upto and causing their deaths and the deaths are built off of to further serve the plot in an interesting way. Think Ned, Robb and Jon Snow. Also calling asoiaf a shitshow? One of the most famous modern fantasies? I know myself and lots of others prefer asoiaf to LOTR. The characters are more interesting, compelling, flawed, human and relatable. The characters are really the heart of the story after all, and I can't think of any in lotr that come close to the likes of Jaime, Tyrion, Theon etc. Not to mention I also much prefer the story and pacing of asoiaf. It's complex and epic, involving so many fantastic characters across many different locations. Lotr is pretty clear cut and simple in comparison. It's also the simple good vs evil, with the characters being good or evil. I realise that was the intended purpose but its not hard to imagine others prefer asoiaf for that reason. That's what it comes down to in the end: personal preference. And to act like one is objectively better than the other is stupid. They are both very different stories intended to accomplish different things. Asoiaf is almost a twisted version of lotr. But honestly asoiaf was a page turner for me whilst lotr was dull and boring. I kept getting put off whilst reading them. To each their own

[@wooter558]

@@acr7780bro keep preaching all these lord of the rings lovers here can’t take this lol

[@eddysegafan6655]

Watching this again i missed how funny the "sends a raven to say hi to your toes" was lol

[@mikeycityify]

“You’re a pirate! You even stole my R R”. That’s respectively deep.

[@Kaydee815]

Esp with the ASL sign for R.

[@raymondsison9186]

Had me chucklin' 😂

[@AndreBarnett]

@@Kaydee815 Damn thanks for that

[@sehbaanabbasi]

and the ending " everytime I battle it's return of the king " Martin just got owned

[@tankythemagnorite9855]

And he stole the name Drogo from Tolkien. It's Frodo's father.

[@TheOrian34]

The end with Tolkien referencing each book in order was way too strong. I wonder what George would say if he saw that.

[@randompeople9021]

Tolkien made his own universe in his writing, giving stories and life to everything he could. His writing is believable. The movies based on his books are great. Martin, in comparison, wrote a good book series, and had an ok series that was made off it, and granted, there is a new one now, but can it beat the movies or books of Tolkien? Now, both authors are great, but Martin cant really compete with Tolkien. Tolkien went out of his way, writing an entire language for one of the races in his books. Martin just wanted to keep people interested in his books by creating a congestion of suspension and tension.

[@FirefulXD]

well judging by rop vs hotd, clearly martin took that one

[@IXtremchiller]

one language for one race? spoiler warning: the languages were the point to Tolkien, all the stories, rich history and nations were just set dressing to be able to invent more languages

[@rullvard8245]

The World of Ice and Fire is, in my opinion, more interesting. Still though, Tolkien's world is also great. Both great, but both write differently, with one trying bigger and more "realistic" world which is grey, compared to the "smaller" one which has more fantastical elements and is more black and white. And of course, they have the Lord of the Rings movies, which didn't really suck.

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

They had completely different goals and aspirations when it came to fantasy. Tolkien took a more God-like perspective, more interested in building an idyllic world with pure, noble battles between good and evil, striving towards a noble purpose. George meanwhile takes more of a historian's perspective, where Machiavellianism reigns supreme and tragedy ensues- not because evil is wrong, necessarily, but because it is tactically stupid.

[@bradenmerriman5206]

I would say the series had a great first half, and a second half that destroyed it.

[@CitizenKahne1992]

Martin: Fired shots. Tolkien: Launched tactical nuke.

[@legomaster9190]

Yeap, basically that's what happened here! And I love it!!

[@josephstalin364]

Moral of the story: Don’t mess with someone who cut their teeth in the trenches of the Somme

[@code.6421]

30-0 on him🤣

[@theftparrot5750]

Martin: Brings a Light Machine Gun Tolkein: *AC130 ABOVE*

[@nightfalls5462]

he just vaporized him...

[@thedukeofchutney468]

The fact that Tolkien was able to casually reference being a friend to CS Lewis and an inspiration to Led Zeppelin in one paragraph automatically gives him the win in my book.

[@Losrandir]

Yes, even CS Lewis owns this hack so he just hastily mentions it

[@Fukei_Mono]

Wait, CS Lewis isn't someone from the 17th century or smth?! My life was a lie.

[@carolrondou6161]

@@Fukei_Mono Turkish Delite is a lie.

[@canwegetashoutouttoworking2002]

@@Fukei_Mono If memory serves right, I remember him mentioning WW2 in the second chronicle.

[@roaringthunder115]

True

[@ValeBridges]

The "too Towering" and "return of the King" lines are brilliant, but the first time I listened I missed the one which was between two lines, "you can't reach this *fellow, shit* I'm too Towering" as in Fellowship

[@matthicksxx]

So many great costumes/characters in this one. It’s so admirable that they put so much effort into the background characters who only appear for a few seconds. Tremendous job from the costume and makeup departments

[@alexguo5351]

that's what I'm Tolkien about

[@stanmagnum1535]

+Sam Wilson you dont know what you're Tolkein about

[@legojackgaming]

I'll be Tolkien about this battle for ages

[@timmytohns5479]

+Sam Wilson Oh crap,Tolkien puns.

[@MrUndersolo]

Damn, I wish I thought of that!

[@MrUndersolo]

+timmy tohns Yeah, it can be Hobbit-forming.

[@blessedstuff4309]

When you realize both authors killed off sean bean in the first

[@vyktorehon5995]

HAHA

[@RachelG1979]

Yeah yeah yeah killing Sean Bean is tight.

[@leadnitrate2194]

@@RachelG1979 it's super easy, barely an inconvenience

[@waywardgoddess7219]

When you're type cast as......the dead guy 😂😂😂😂

[@RachelG1979]

@@waywardgoddess7219 wow wow wow wow

[@lydiajane9102]

“CS, Lewis and I were just discussing, how you and Jon Snow, both know nothing” - A masterpiece line

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

Watching George R.R. Martin get trounced by Tolkien will never cease to put a smile on my face.

[@YEOsCanal]

Martin spit a song of Ice and Fire...but Tolkien went There and Back Again.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

He brought the light and darkness and bound him to death and darkness with the one ring.

[@coltonmartin2690]

I see what you did there...👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@kahlesskronos2721]

yes he did he went through 2 world wars he literally went there and back again

[@abelnazreen5719]

Yow this is golden....lol

[@biggestwanderer8827]

Sadly for me, I saw this more than 3 years ago

[@thomasbarbosa625]

“All your bad guys die and your good guys survive” Boromir, Theoden, Thorin, Fíli and Kíli: crying in the corner

[@tulipalll]

The silmarillion kills off EVERYone

[@basariyaaciz]

Fingolfin...

[@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer]

Nevermind all of numenor and half of middle earth

[@loskar9085]

@@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer Pretty much AHAHAHAHA.

[@juanjosefreijedo774]

Dont even mention the characters that died in other books where they are not MCs. Balin in Moria.

[@angelsantino]

This is so amazing!!!

[@the_devils_jester]

"I'm number 1 and 2, you're under 50 shades of grey" has to be one of the best insults i've ever heard.

[@zxylo786]

GoT isn't under 50 Shades of Gray

[@the_devils_jester]

@@zxylo786 Have ypu ever heard about books, good sir? They are like shows but you only get the script and have to play it in your head. J. R. R. Tolkien and George R. R. Martin have published those and that's what the Sentence was about.

[@zxylo786]

@the_devils_jester GoT sold more books that 50 shades. GOt has sold 90 million. Not even close

[@the_devils_jester]

@@zxylo786 Last time i looked it up it was the other way round

[@the_devils_jester]

@@zxylo786 i looked it up Asoiaf sold 90 million copies and 50 shades 100 million.

[@llywyllngryffyn8053]

Tolkien won but now, looking back he wins for a second reason: He actually finished his books.

[@AaronGanaron]

Yeah, I was surprised that wasn't a line in there somewhere. Maybe Tolkien didn't want to sink that low Edit: I forgot that, yes, he hadn't finished. I'd been thinking of the main series, forgetting the Silmarrilion was part of it

[@Laksujaakso]

Well... actually quite many of his stories were finished and published after his death by his son Christopher.

[@melkorlapich802]

Janne Laakso most of my favorites are the ones published posthumously but more or less he finished them, he just considered that despite being what most would be fine with publishing wasn’t up to snuff for him, had a high standard for himself

[@SwaggerNauts365]

Janne Laakso Cuz he died.

[@SpokaneSurvivor]

For real tho

[@carl2d2]

“C.S. Lewis and I were just discussing how you and Jon Snow both know nothing” absolutely BRUTAL

[@dakotastein9499]

Wasn't CS the guy who made Narnia?

[@martavdz4972]

@@dakotastein9499 Yep. He was brilliant in discussions and basically owned everyone, that´s why the rap battle mentions discussions. If he got his own rap battle, he´d win it with arguments from logic and philosophy. He was less patient but more versatile than Tolkien. He wrote a sci-fi trilogy, fantasy books for adults, heaps of great essays and a book on Renaissance literature. It was one of the few scholarly books I had to read at university that were both brilliant and highly enjoyable :-) Lewis also "cut his teeth in the trenches of the Somme". They were friends with Tolkien for most of their lives. They created the genre of fantasy together, based on the work of George McDonald (and mythology, of course), but only Tolkien usually gets credit for it, and not Lewis or McDonald. Tolkien was by far the best, but not the only one. LOTR wouldn´t exist without McDonald and wouldn´t be the same without Lewis.

[@user-kb5oo2yu8q]

@@martavdz4972 not mentioning that all those are works of one of the greatest Christian apologists of modern era.

[@oliverdelica2289]

I also love the transition to that scene 😂

[@rubix4195]

"A man with an obsession is a man with very little sales resistance" - A quote from a YT comment to suggest C.S Lewis was nuts. Yeah, some people on YT comments and Jon Snow both know nothing!

[@zavvax]

You guys art still the Greatest. several years laters, I stilll go back to your vidfeos.

[@NerosCinema]

"Every time I battle it's return of the king".... how do you possibly top that as a closer

[@nameyourchannel838]

Here to honor J. R. R.'s son. His son Christopher J. R. Tolkien is the person we need to thank for compiling J. R. R.'s unfinished works so that we could read them

[@jamescannon7935]

R.I.P

[@novacaesar9303]

F

[@NotTheAbhi]

Worry not for Christopher is with his father in the Undying Lands

[@dlxmarks]

Christopher spent years sorting and organizing the mountain of his father's manuscripts. The amount of effort it took to decipher the often faint and illegible handwriting alone is deeply impressive.

[@littleredbook2009]

Thx Christopher Tolkien. God speed.

[@jackfroste]

Tolkien's Lord of the Rings at one point, was the number 2 most read book in the English language, 2nd only to the Bible.

[@RightTurnClyde]

And McDonald's is the most popular restaurant on earth. That hardly means it's the best.

[@jackfroste]

@@RightTurnClyde That's a good point. So we all have begun to realize that McDonalds food is bad for you and their reputation will continue to sink until the corporation goes broke some day. In the same way, you seem to be implying that Tolkien is only relevant and popular now, but one day, the world will wise up and realize his writing was trash while Martin's work will gain popularity? I guess it is possible, though not likely in my opinion.

[@angrywada8147]

@@jackfroste no dude i think he was taking a hit on the bible

[@jackfroste]

@@angrywada8147 Ah, okay. I get it now. thanks.

[@angrywada8147]

@@jackfroste I'm trying to be unbiased but as a Christian it really did anger me but *deep breath* tHATS OK

[@codygillard]

It's weird to see G.R.R. Martin battle J.R.R. Tolkien, especially because George looked up to Tolkien, and even considered him superior

[@redford1412]

Every writers should have the spirit to challenge.

[@Sesuaki19]

I mean he wrote the biggest and best selling book trilogy and built a whole world around it just to excuse using lagueges he created, of course any writer would look up to him

[@thenamesianna]

Maybe they would've done it just for fun lol

[@fart__joke]

Epic rap battles of history always makes me happy when I'm feeling like shit. If this channel wasn't here I don't know what I would watch if I needed some joy

[@giovannisouls668]

George’s raps weren’t bad but Tolkien fucking DESTROYED him. Every time he does anything it’s Return of The King

[@crusader0074]

I prefer both R A Salvatore and Patrick Rothfuss to George “R. R.” Martin…but Tolkien is the best!

[@johnbradshaw3001]

@@crusader0074 rothfuss fucked up his fan by never finishing the triology

[@crusader0074]

@@johnbradshaw3001 I agree. I actually never even finished the 2nd book.

[@johnbradshaw3001]

@@crusader0074 wish he would have taken a page from Sanderson. Not many good fantasy coming out lately.

[@crusader0074]

@@johnbradshaw3001 Yup. R A Salvatore is good and fun, but also kind of repetitive.

[@LiamMHennessey]

Tolkien schooled the shit out of his ass

[@nothingtoseehere705]

Appropriate given that he was a professor.

[@soundwave7154]

Class dismissed

[@turnerjensen2620]

OOOOOOOOOOOOH

[@BNGClash]

In raps and in real life

[@Bebber94]

Agreed.

[@emanuelebelle3943]

I don’t think you ever did something quite as good again, this is by far my favourite

[@PalleRasmussen]

Back to say, there are university professors, lecturers, and all sorts of other people making a living studying Tolkien's work to this day and many years into the future. How many will do that with Martin?

[@yeetusdeletus2681]

His work is still getting published today unlike old man Martin who doesn’t know how to publish a book in a reasonable time frame

[@comettamer]

Love how Martin was amazing, but Tolkien STILL slaughtered him. This is without doubt, one of the best ERBs of all time.

[@jkdubya85]

Every couple of months this one seems to appear on my feed, and every time it does I watch it.

[@thekodex1186]

Agreed

[@ThemeParkAvenue]

I've never read any of their books or seen any of their media, but I still agree that this is one of the best.

[@FantasticExplorers]

...or one could say: One for the ages!

[@Ered15.]

It honestly was.

[@user-te9vx8bx8y]

"All your good guys survive" Literally almost every good guy in the first age: Am I a joke to you?

[@matthieusoppelsa5996]

Gg

[@toxicfataldestiny5408]

594 don’t forget Boromir and Gandalf but technically Gandalf comes back.

[@trueredpanda1538]

@@toxicfataldestiny5408 guess his K/D went down? 😂

[@mrhalfwit972]

boromir, denethor, theoden, theodore: are we a joke to you

[@bhayes790]

Thorin, Boromir, Turin, Beren, Beleg Cuthalion, Nienor, Luthien, Maedhros, Finwe, the two trees, does Feanor count...? Sure why not. Everybody at the Kinslaying in Aqualande. Also Fingolfin, Fingon, Hurin, Huor... I could go on 😂

[@telmonk003]

Tolkien still releasing books beyond the grave like a G.

[@dragonlord4194]

It's wonderful, that Christopher Tolkien picked up the work of his father and treated it with the same respeact as J.R.R. Tolkien gave to his world.

[@TighelanderII]

Like Tupac and Hendricks.

[@1337Jag]

UNDER RATED COMMENT

[@Ollie117ish]

This is one of the closer videos I've ever seen, very well done guys as always.

[@lioco6124]

it was less close to being close than not close. not close.

[@piersonchristensen8836]

I’ll take a moment to address the fact that the amount of research necessary to make these accurate lyrical bombs is insane. They’re not historians who write a book and get credit for the effort and they’re not rap artists who say whatever they want. They’ve found their own niche that is incredibly difficult and I commend them for it.

[@TheEsperandus]

Scholars, Comedians, actors, technicians, and fucking artists. All at the same time. It truly is incredible - just finding the venn diagrams of people to fully appreciate what they have created is hard. I think ERB is my favorite thing. And I have seen a lot of Things.

[@whisper2shade]

To be fair, You just need to read Tolkien's books a few times and most of it you already know. ;) And if you were born in the 70s-80s, you know about Led Zeppelin, Blind Guardian, Black Sabbath... Aaaaand you most probably read stuff by C.S. Lewis (I think I first read about their relationship in a foreword of one of the Chronicles of Narnia)

[@brianmason8059]

@whisper2shade there's loads more rhan that. The fact Tolkien fought at the Somme and Martin refused to fight in Vietnam. The line about Martin selling less than 50 shades of grey after he says Tolkien should put more sex in his books. Martin saying he cut his teeth on Beauty and the beast which he worked on before GoT. There's so many lines that are Quite deep in this one

[@davidrichard3582]

It doesn't necessarily require much research--one might have just been an intelligent kid paying attention who grew up in the right era....

[@squidward_tenpoles112]

@@davidrichard3582 yeah really a right era when rumor, gossip, hoax, misdirect info, and etc etc information rumble together making workload more powerfull so powerfull until many early mid 30s already have bald head down to the root

[@TanzimNabil]

"In book sales you've got nothing to say, I'm number one and two, you're under 50 Shades of Grey." Ouch! Martin never recovered from there.

[@peterknutsen3070]

50 Shades of Crappy BDSM is a very, very high bar, though.

[@skycastrum5803]

Not as high a bar as LotR, and that's kinda the point.

[@xanderxander08]

financially

[@Anony298]

Kinda just goes to show how sales numbers don’t really mean anything when it comes to artistic value

[@gryphonprovenzano3156]

What do you mean recover? He entered by the one ring. No sorry GRRM was on the back foot from there it’s why he stared first and be never recovered sorry

[@MasterAyBee]

Martin complaining about too much backstory is pretty rich. The dude slipped from fantasy storytelling into fictional history lessons by book four.

[@RGSTR]

Really well made! Kudos to both of you :) And all the rest of the staff!

[@ashessakura7518]

I love the fact that Tolkien's intro has him TAKING OFF THE RING and then putting it in his pocket, like he's saying "I don't need this to win" and then proceeds to utterly wipe that floor with Martin

[@ownedintheface1220]

holy shit just saw this now lol

[@luthientinuviel2823]

Lord off the Ring 🤭

[@ashessakura7518]

@@luthientinuviel2823 LMAO

[@bigeasy6511]

Also like a reference bc in Lotr the ring makes you invisible so when he took it off he shows up

[@roomba178]

It also shows he is powerful enough to not be manipulated by The Ring

[@parkb5320]

“I’m more rock and roll than you’ve ever been, don’t believe me, ask Led Zepplin.” To this day, George hasn’t recovered from that burn.

[@filgal6898]

Ask Led Zeppelin. And the Rock goes on and on and on and on and on

[@adriancolanmontes105]

Ask Ramin Djawadi

[@stephensylvarwolf7940]

Rush did a few LoTR songs as well lol

[@parkb5320]

Gaius Wyrden I thought it was because in the battle George claims that he is rock and roll and Tolkien is a nerd, and Tolkien destroyed George’s whole verse with the Led Zepplin line because you can’t get more rock and roll than Zepplin.

[@mikaele]

And so was Sandor Clegane

[@darkforces106ify]

Honestly one of the best ERB

[@Eckxile]

This goes HARD! I love it so much!

[@theblaze5530]

Ironically, Martin was inspired by Tolkien killing off Boromir and seeing an instance of good guys dying. You can understand why he cast Sean Bean as Ned Stark.

[@itsmybike1078]

No actually your wrong the first famous fantasy Writer who killed off loveable good guys all the time was actually David Gemmell. RR martin is a thief and stolen works of dead writers. such as.. Valria or Valryain is actually the name of Conan the barbarins wife (Valria) study the words and you will find RR martin just change the spelling like Sir to Ser

[@bartekmostek4850]

@@itsmybike1078 so he switched sir to cheese? (In polish ser is cheese)

[@777LoveStory]

I don't think he had any say on the casting. But it's still sweet irony!

[@krishnaprasad5925]

@@777LoveStory he did, he was insistent on roping Sean Bean and Peter Dinklage for the roles of Ned Stark and Tyrion Lannister, respectively.

[@akaneh1989]

@@krishnaprasad5925 Fair is fair, they proved to be good choices for their roles.

[@louthinator]

there was a really big missed opportunity in this battle. they should have had had someone dressed up like sean bean who died in one verse then died again in the other person's verse because after all, no matter how many differences there are between lord of the rings and a game of thrones, that one factor, the death of good guy sean bean's character, unites them.

[@Jindorek]

omg, i never even thought of that!! and its so obvious!

[@codeman3788]

lol yeah sean bean dies in almost every movie/series he is involved in

[@louthinator]

codeman3788 except sharpe.

[@louthinator]

カオス猫 i mean technically he ascends... even after the dragon turns to stone after fighting back mehrunes dagon he ascends up to join akatosh.

[@Mormielo]

Come on, this is not true, think of Equilibrium for example... Ehm... er...