Can We Be Rational AND Spiritual? | Prof. John Vervaeke on Solutions to the Meaning Crisis

[@djkayce]

Being and Doing; simultaneously transcending and grounding. Up and Down. Connecting and Flowing. Positioning and Waving. Collapsing and Creating. Thanks for another enlightening conversation. 🙏

[@matthewparlato5626]

Whewwww

[@PuppetMasterdaath144]

gurdjeff this is the true teaching for awakening

[@VitorSantos-ib5dn]

The defect is mine as Dr. Vervakee is a very smart and cultured person. But I can't extract utile conclusions to me from his words. At the end of it, in this interview and others, I can never get to a conclusion of what he thinks. Hans is very good. He did a great job as ever.

[@gkannon77]

I almost always feel the same way.

[@MA-ResearchEdu-e9l]

Agreed. The thing I first want to research after watching this video is how John Vervaeke could be focused on the worthy need for meaning and connection to spiritual truth, while being stuck in an aura of anger and New Yorky stressed anti-zen vibes ....

[@philipdsouza2715]

And that's the point...perhaps he has a tread with caution mindset to restrict himself into rabbit hole metaphysics i.e. a performative contradiction within himself. And that's OK...nothing right or wrong about it 😜

[@por4atko]

He uses a very academic style of thinking and talking, as well as overall presentation and it's not in a way where he tries to make himself sound "smart", rather it's just what he's really accustomed to. Also, another thing to note about him is that he doesn't have an answer per-say. He defines a problem, that is common but very complex as the problem itself is rooted in subjectivity. The answer to such a problem is also rooted in subjectivity and providing a unified solution is more of the same. I guess what I'm trying to say is, his method of thinking is agnostic when it comes to metaphysics. What he provides in simple terms is this - our knowledge of reality is epistemic, so everything we know, we know based on the assumptions we have within us and with no absolute certainty - we need spirituality and belief but the current world we live in provides either more epistemic assumptions under a scientific label or provides religious dogma which requires blind acceptance. Thus - in seeking spirituality we should read between the lines of what is provided to us and find the root of the spiritual truth born within our own subjectivity - i.e., find meaning in spirituality through our particular lens.

[@laserhobbyist9751]

I had a hard time following most of what he was saying due to the language used, obviously too far above my head.

[@diweon0404]

Yes! John Vervaeke on Essentia Foundation! Thank you so much for this interview!

[@SusanButcher-pr2ft]

Thank you, Hans. You are fast becoming an amazing interviewer! Keep them coming!!!

[@bluespruce786]

55:57 "There is an advent of the sacred taking place." Confirming this. Something shifted recently for me, the build up may have been decades long, but it feels like a transition stage now. I'm 52 living in US suburbs with 3 teenage kids a wonderful wife 2 dogs and a boring 9-5. The other day I walked into a dispensary, kind of on a lark, bought an 1/8 oz of an "up" marijuana. Smoked a tiny amount and had the most intense experience. There were visions and realizations about the material condition and creation and myth and joy and death and always this feeling of being connected to everyone. Trying to make sense of it now, but it feels amazing.

[@PippiBarbieri]

Yes weed breaks down the barriers in my mind and I feel more whole - yea weed today is way too strong than how it was in 1970 when I started looking for a different experience in life. I recommend buying the lowest thc possible first

[@Roofers-Nail-Hardest]

On February 22, 2019 I ate 4.5 hits of LSD and I’ve been happy ever since.

[@texastexas4541]

Ancient Indian sages smoked hashish every day and it was easier for them to reach enlightenment every day.

[@quixodian]

Thank you for this great interview, I’ve come late to John Vervaeke’s opus - well, two years ago! - and listened to a lot of his material. He’s a wise guide, and you’re a superb interlocutor. This interview is a very useful synopsis of JV’s work, among other things. ❤

[@javadhashtroudian5740]

I was a radical materialist before 1967 when I had my first psychedelic experience on 100 micrograms of pure Sandoz (LSD). Since then, I have had about 20 more such experiences and many studies of philosophy, wisdom traditions, and much meditation. I was a scientist in education and a software engineer in practice. I became a radical monist in 1972 when I was a neurochemist. I went through panpsychism to discover Advaita Vedanta, which I prefer to Buddhism (the only other metaphysical system that agrees with my experience). Tat Tuam Asi. That Thou Art or better yet, you are the Ultimate Reality. Thank you both for a wonderful interview.

[@crushinnihilism]

I'm a heathen. I also ended up with monism/idealism

[@laserhobbyist9751]

@@crushinnihilism I had an unexpected out of the blue experience in 96 where I saw what I thought of as "God" but yet it wasn't because it was just as much me or you, or anyone as a pinnacle of what appeared to be a collective. So, if we are all a part of it, we are Godless, in effect.

[@SINGHSTOCK]

Sir with all due respect ,advait vedanta is a Hindu philosophy (Vedic philosophy) not budhist philosophy.

[@javadhashtroudian5740]

@@SINGHSTOCK if I imagined that I would not write I prefer Advaita Vedanta to Buddhism. I think Buddhism has plenty of good but prefer Advaita Vedanta.

[@bavingeter423]

Thank YOU for sharing your story.

[@brandis3309]

Love this man. His honesty & openess & heartfelt teaching has helped me more than anyone else that I have not met in person.

[@philipdsouza2715]

The thing with John is that as much as I like what he has to say he is often in a state of "performative contradiction" himself. As for rabbit hole metaphysics, wouldn't his claim about it and people who get into it be similar to his point of view of not getting into rabbit hole physics. Heard of Moore's Paradox!

[@ArlindoPhilosophicalArtist]

This is brilliant! I am with John Vervaeke on most things! Love it! Physicalism goes nowhere.

[@ABFPV584]

I think it’s important to understand that we are not discovering new things, but simply reinterpreting what already exists.

[@badreddine.elfejer]

Wa are discovering new connections between ever existing "things" maybe

[@childofkhem1.618]

Just giving it new names

[@akirabaycrest4398]

It’s one of the best explanation on a subject of meaning crisis. Thank you!

[@Ashleyyy414]

So glad you've brought John on for this talk.

[@basirbita]

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[@extavwudda]

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[@MeniSpeyer]

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[@TheColdHarshTruth]

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[@thyhandrevolve]

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[@nomadchad5733]

Wow! Penrose and now vervaeke! Amazing, thank you. This channel is a source of essential wisdom for me.

[@justinlawmad]

The channel it's amazing, keep the awesome work!

[@kaylee7518]

Transformative. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@Afrika_Percussie]

Totally amazing, this condensed, concise and deep overviews of most important questions. Thank you so much again!

[@Xwrt532]

Yes we can and we will! Spirituality, if DONE RIGHT WITH THE LIGHT, rationalizes our otherwise irrationalities. It's main purpose is to make sense of the insensibilities of life and ultimately bring profound clarity to advance creation and to showcase the mighty hand of our great Creator.😅☝️

[@TheInfiniteGM]

This might not be entirely correct, but I like to think of Creativity as one of the biggest ways we can connect the sensible and the supersensible worlds into a single paradox of perception. It takes a lot of effort to learn a craft, but the Art truly comes when you play with the boundaries that others have established to create something of your own. Other's work (external) invokes us (internal) to then create something that marries the two together into something new. I could be wrong, but maybe that's why the concept of Art, in its many varied ways, is fundamental to the human experience.

[@CouplesLite]

Love it..covered so much in so little time!!

[@jenmdawg]

Wonderful and concise and thought provoking. I’m definitely in a meaning crisis.

[@Iam...---]

Great to see you again! Was introduced to you on Lex #317. Love your work. 🤗💕🥰

[@herminepursch2470]

I don't worry about it. LOVE 💓

[@GerHoog]

Gràcies!

[@essentiafoundation]

Thank you!!

[@rickmcentee9204]

Its cool to see powerful-minded rationalists coming around to their hunger for transcendence and ultimate meening. 💛

[@glenrobinson916]

Yes, well Buddha said “If someone tells you something don’t just believe it but examine it and then only if it agrees with your deepest sense of reason should you believe it.”

[@JamesGelok]

I hear John talk about an ecology of practices ALL THE TIME but this is the very first time I’ve ever heard of DIME (Diological, Imaginal, Mindfulness, Embodiment) and I really wish I could find this secret information more freely available

[@Pneumanon]

I only came across it very recently too, I don’t know for sure but I think it may be a recent formulation. I found brief explanations on the Awaken To Meaning website. The Wisdom of Hypatia book is quite good if you are looking for a structured set of clearly defined practices.

[@ABO-Destiny]

Believe in what you know is true, preach to others what you can prove as truth, do not believe in anything which you know is false , be aware unknowns are huge, infinite, and possibly could affect us or somebody else and through them us and remain alert, careful and so never believe we know everything, also be aware that probably time and/or situation might change what we believed in. Do not talk about future, do not say something will happen or will not happen , if you believe they will happen keep it to yourself and if you feel you need to tell your belief of that happening in future to help that person because you shouod help that other person then tell that other person keeping in mind there could always remain gap between what you wanted to say and what or how the person will understand your belief or whether the person will believe in what you are saying.

[@childofkhem1.618]

The connection between physics and consciousness is the ether. This is how everything is connected and can account for all the anomalies. It's only in the last 100 years or so that this became woo woo nonsense but the ancient texts from all over the world talk about this. When we accept that tesla was right, then we will start making real breakthroughs in our understanding of metaphysics

[@Coktane_]

To answer the question without listening to a single word, yes. You can be rational and spiritual both, plenty of people have proven that. If you believe the two don't coexist peacefully, then you wall yourself off to the spiritual. Thus you won't experience it, then it becomes a self fulfilling thing

[@mr.knownothing33]

The Zombie myth comes from enslaved Africans. The folklore was out of fear that even death you’d still be stripped of autonomy

[@Knaeben]

I wrote an essay on Zombies as a new mythology when I was in grad school back in 2006. I should have expanded it into a book.

[@simonahrendt9069]

Love you John. And what a wonderful interview. I didn't know about this channel or you, Hans, but I think this exchange was exceptional in terms of clarity and the modeling of a beautiful companionship in the search of truth. Thanks for all your work and helping us understand reality more deeply!

[@ftmrivas3043]

I agree with the aspect on structure. Religion or some sort organized system can help generate a stronger community

[@mechannel7046]

16:30 epistemology, ontology 19:10 second order thinking 22:45 propositional knowing, participatory knowing (gnosis) 30:30 Kant

[@ALavin-en1kr]

The definition of religion is: that to which we are bound. We have cognitive reason to help us negotiate our way through life. Religious dogma, or precepts, help but they may not apply in every situation as every situation is different and requires it own unique response. At one time we may support a just war and at another time we may oppose an unjust war. So even though there are universal rights and wrongs they have to be applied to what is relative in a particular situation.

[@npc_101]

Glad to hear Penrose mentioned. Nice interview !

[@SoyOtroTu]

Cognition! Exactly! My own and very innovative videos with my aproach are absolutely right! Thank you!

[@derekwhite2929]

When I was doing my degree largely in psychology the question of consciousness was something that nobody was ever even willing to discuss!! Until sir Joseph Campbell's Hero with a thousand faces explained where we got star wars from! Nothings changed! Except that I've suffered a huge amount since & nothings getting any better NOTHINGS Changed even though in global terms Everything's Changed! We're just telling the mythology of our existence to ourselves & anyone who'll listen for 5-6mins or longer!

[@derekwhite2929]

As far as my sufferings concerned that's mostly been the results of being given an infected plasma transfusion many years ago & the struggling to get rid of the HCV I acquired from this And as I've been unlucky enough to actually survive the resultant nightmare isn't quite over yet!

[@world_musician]

My anthropology professor taught a whole unit on zombies!

[@gameaudioshaman]

A colab I did not expected🎉

[@hugobruzone5579]

Borges is Argentine, not Spanish. Other than that, great interview! Very thought-provoking and encourage me to keep on searching for meaning or, at least, thinking better about it.

[@petervandenengel1208]

30:21 In Shakespeare religion was always present in the background. Everything was about human moral and feeling of guilt, in the light of greed for power. The ghosts appearing to Macbeth of the people he ordered to be killed haunted him from the aspect of guilt. Reappearing as the memory he wanted to expel. The virtues have always been a prime aspect in religion. Although Shakespeare introduced a very human aspect into it. When one had failed to live up to them. Which of course happened all the time around him where he lived in.

[@fizywig]

Kant didn't lock us into a worldview if we regard the Critique as purely Epistemological and NOT offering an Ontological account. Reason can go beyond the" bounds of sense" to create " Metaphysics" but this movement of Reason creates " parallogisms" of reason Contradictions, which then Hegel's ingenious move was to embrace these Contradictions as the essence of Reason's and Logic's modus operandi. So the " locked in" characterisation of the Newtonian/Lockean/ human worldview mentioned by Vervaake here can be seen as the " captivity of a picture of reality" brought about by THE DOMINATION of a certain style of Logic

[@henrytep8884]

That certain style of logic is called Cartesian dualism brought to us by decarte.

[@markrichter2053]

“A thin description with a big transcendence.”

[@Passinghourswide]

1:34:30 John rapping through the meaning crisis

[@thedarknazo]

Ok! I just have an idea for John, perhaps you can help that idea to reach him... Videogames, popularity of Zombie killing games, i'm thinking particulary in the Resident Evil Saga (biohazards) and 3 things. 1. Its most recent rennaissance, 2. Its methodology to empower the player as you progress in the game, and the hook that this has on the player, the ability to overcome the 'zombie' mythos. you start weak and scared and as you progress you transform in an agent of change in that particular world 3. The ressonance of 'meaning' that has on a population of otherwise (sometimes) depressed players.

[@hoykoya3382]

"Practices" with thin description with a strong transcendence is already existing. It's called mysticism. Or maybe introspection.

[@henrym.7858]

The professor 's path seems to be similar to mine but minus the western philosophy part .Western or Greek philosophy from the beginning was distancing itself from the spiritual realm and gradually considered it as an imaginary world or mythology. So that by the time we get to Hegel, God is no longer in the philosophical discourse because of our alienation .

[@ili626]

I really don’t see why the question being asked in this video title is even necessary. The answer is an obvious “Yes” for me. I don’t understand why rationality and spirituality seem mutually exclusive to some people. I’m genuinely baffled

[@whatisiswhatable]

I think John needs to play the last of us. There is an answer to the zombie apocalypse sort of an it is similar to the meaning crisis and the idea of sacrifice in that Ellie would sacrifice herself for the possibility of creating an antidote.

[@Fabio-wf5dn]

I love all your work, specially B. Kastrup's, but I guess the fruit of it all is just - and it's a quite an objective - to give one's self permission to embrace a traditional organization (an orthodox religion).

[@SavannahShepherd669]

Aslong as money exist people will always be materialistic due to how the system of survival is. I do believe inner awakening and reflection will help people be less materialistic over time and hopefully realise they will never have enough money no matter what so pursue love/friendship/family & happiness instead.

[@martinwilliams9866]

Different type of materialism!

[@herminepursch2470]

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[@liamweavers9291]

God and Consciousness are the same thing on different scales. God would be the consciousness of the universal field and you are the consciousness of your field, just like a microbe in your stomach is the Consciousness of its field. The microbe's relationship to you is the same as your relationship to God. That is to say you're definitely linked but you don't know each other's name. Consciousness is the boundary of a self-sustaining electromagnetic field, managing the differential between the internal state and the external world. Simple really.

[@DanielPryor-jt5hn]

You may have searched long enough to find religion but so did the Pharisees. They had all kinds of knowledge but they never got deep enough to know the heart of Christ. So, just like they were still stuck in the things of this world. You can't have eyes to see and ears to hear without a change of heart. That's why you keep searching for answers.

[@6AxisSage]

I found the underlying mechanism, Geometric Cognition if you want to come find me. Still working on main video.

[@bradleyrader5793]

Zombies aren't the only modern myth. Another is the superpowered mutant (Xmen, etc). Another is the planetary alien that will save/destroy humanity.

[@lifematters687]

What documentary with Bernardo?

[@marcfortin8564]

ZEN SWORD MASTER HERE THANK YOU FOR THE SEMANTIC STRUCTURE! IN ORDER TO INTEGRATE. Zen martial arts and its various internal practices becomes radiant after hearing this wonderful interpretation from a cognitive scenario, being in dreaming awake,thank you for more tools in which to grasp ways to reflect skillful methods of teaching others.I will turn this view into the empathic vision when teaching,,I HOPE WITH THE SAME LACK OF SELF IMPORTANCE , and humility of genius through brain sweat. I would love to hear about cognitive tracking durning tai chi

[@peterjones6507]

Can we be rational and not spiritual?

[@yogamac]

OMG, it is Sunday and I just got on YT, and this was posted 59 seconds ago. Is it my higher self guiding me? Is it my destiny and fate to discover this now? Is there some cosmic order that brings me to the sources of knowledge, wisdom, and meaning at such a rapid and seemingly instant pace? Does it mean something? Is it synchronicity? Whoa, WHoa, WHOA - take it easy - don't overreact - Reconsider, and refrain from going down any useless metaphysical rabbit holes!

[@janwag6856]

Expect miracles. We receive what is needed at the time because of being open to each moment as it unfolds. Serendipity occurs. The recognition of opportunity attracts us but we still must click on the button, open the window, see the doorway as an invitation and take the action to experience the moment. …. With discriminating wisdom of course.

[@yogamac]

@@janwag6856 Beautiful, well put! 💚🩵💛

[@piehound]

Good question. We must be rational to approach spiritual. But not overly rational. A good sense of balance is needed. And . . . i don't mean physical balance. I mean an intellectual balance between (1) Reason and (2) Faith or Belief. In today's ultra - technology culture many have the idea there's no need whatsoever for faith. They are wrong.

[@MaxPower-vg4vr]

Can contradictions and paradoxes in non-zero dimensions (1D-4D) be resolvable from a 0D (dimensionless) perspective? This is a fascinating idea. From a 0D perspective, which we might think of as a dimensionless point or a monad (knower) in Leibnizian terms, we could potentially view higher-dimensional paradoxes as artifacts of our dimensional thinking. The dimensionless viewpoint might offer a way to see the underlying unity or simplicity behind seemingly contradictory higher-dimensional phenomena. For example, quantum entanglement paradoxes in 3D space might be resolved if we consider that from a 0D perspective, there's no separation between entangled particles. The apparent non-locality could be an illusion created by our "3D" viewpoint.

[@JanneWolterbeek]

Wow, I discovered Vervaeke only weeks ago, to see him on Essentia now is fantastic! ❤

[@spiritfilled5758]

Wow, Johns explanation of the zombie apocalypse hits my experience head-on.

[@derekwhite2929]

Didn't Stanislav Groff & others discuss this some time ago? I don't think that the materialism of the western world is compatible with the discovery of meaning in life & this sounds like the description I developed when I was first told that I was a divergent thinker & struggling to find out what that meant!

[@miguelangelous]

Much appreciated 🙌🏼 I enjoyed Bernardo and John’s talks @ TOE 💯

[@geolazakis]

Just came here to comment on the clickbait thumbnail: John Vevaeke entire frame-work is metaphysical.

[@Robb3348]

I wonder if JV calling himself a "cognitive scientist" isn't a type of clickbait in itself

[@ericg3810]

And materialism is a metaphysical theory as well.

[@geolazakis]

@@ericg3810 Yeah.

[@world_musician]

Vervakaeke + Essentia?! Match made in...well right here on Earth

[@gnomefuel]

i think this a great discussion but holy cow yall need better thumbnail graphics and a more fitting title for this one

[@sacredmetaphics]

Sacred Metaphysics It can be said that Bliss is like clapping with one hand as the other hand is holding a handful of water.

[@kevintewey1157]

2 hours. I did it and maybe I'll understand it if I do at nine more time Why didn't I have this attention span when I was eighteen years old😭

[@siriosstar4789]

The mind operates in a field of meaning derived from an observer and an object . The so called spiritual realms operate in Being or pure awareness / consciousness . there is no meaning crises unless one insists on Being as having meaning . meaning appears inside of that which is awake to itself without disturbing Being or disrupting the minds skills at dealing with meaning . both exist simultaneously . The meaning crises starts when the puny mind attempts to bring pure consciousness under its control. the solution to any perceived crises is to shift one's identity onto that which the mind appears inside of (Being) and maintain a small amount of individuality in order to operate safely and efficiently in the relative field

[@waltdill927]

Not to be dismissive: but the entire history of Scholasticism was a generations long project which explored, refined, and archived these spiritual and rational matters -- culminating, by the way, in modern science (scientia ... knowledge) and the "crisis" of spiritual pertinence ever since. It is, in fact, an ongoing effort. We accept, or reject, at our own peril.

[@_WeDontKnow_]

John's two talks with Bernardo on the TOE channel were really great, his solo interviews on the same channel are amazing. I'd recommend them to anyone who hasn't seen them.

[@stian.t]

In those talks you surely have two, well three people engaging in "good faith dialogs" :-) ❤

[@JoelChristophel]

1:53:46 What is John referring to here?

[@hoykoya3382]

This shows how western thinking lags so much behind their eastern counterpart. West: starting to realize that we are actually participants of reality East: 🤦

[@swapticsounds]

This title is for bloody beginners :D What a question. The historical Buddha gave an answer straight ahead in his teachings, 2500 years ago, the easiest aspect to understand, actually, yet still, some keep asking - or sell old knowledge as their newest spiritual hotshit.

[@hypnaudiostream3574]

😂 you mean the LORD. Buddha is only 2500ish years old.

[@swapticsounds]

@@hypnaudiostream3574 up since Friday morning. My bad. Thanks for your awareness ;-) Confused them with Laotse

[@freethinker79]

Follow the evidence where ever it takes you.

[@CatchmeIfucan-fo2hf]

I’ve just found this channel, excellent interview, however the intro is far too long.

[@rsandy4077]

A thin transcendence is only preoccupied with the here and now of tour individual life and community of adepts. A thick transcendence takes you beyond the here and now into eternity and its not subjective but objective in the sense that intends to speaks the truth to all of humanity not just for your meaning here and now.

[@allievanzyl5305]

Even if I do agree, the word objective here is unprovable because of the nature of cognition, in our current understanding, which depends largely on material objects, and the "beings" they make up. No matter how it feels or appears, a part of you is always in your body. The mind operates within (as well as arguably without) the body, the latter being exponentially harder to study and observe at this point. For now, let's acknowledge the component of subjectivity while still sharing our experiences?

[@godalmighty5331]

Hi , The Apocalypse is not a myth. It started on the 11th of December 2019, closed the Popes calendar in the start of the Holy Biblical Apocalypse of Christ 1742 days ago. Cheers all the same you heavenly brother Charles Andrew Oyedele Ososami. Peace

[@jbrink1789]

holistic interconnectedness and possibilities

[@twolaneasphalt4459]

The contemporaneous concept of the apocalyptic zombie was established in 1968 by film-maker George Romero. Every "zombie" movie since has simply been a different story told within the world Romero created.

[@Summer-kb2dm]

We are metaphysically ungrounded, and therefore unable to justify any ontological commitment. To this point metaphysics is the study of what grounds what(?). It is therefore an epistemological concern. This leads to trying to ground ourselves transcendentally. To seek out a transcendental connection. At best all I have been able to discern that this transcendental is actually an idealized and projected (from our psyche) version of reality. Once connected with it fails as much as the metaphysical grounding we seek, because we have only connected with our lack, that is the very reason we sought out the connection to begin with. The best we can have is a rooted experience in our day to day. One that is not provided by anything outside. But is only felt. This is existentialism. I would like to say existentialism on steroids. We must in some sense ignore this problem in order to continue. But I am only into the video for about 10 min. I will watch for a bit to see if you actually deal with the problem.

[@Summer-kb2dm]

A few more minutes into this and I realize - never going to address the problem. At best and I don't think it completely fills the bill - the meaning of our lives is found not in a relationship with some 'higher" reality but with the relationship we have to each other. This is the closest I have found to answer the question of meaning. We can be meaningful to each other. That's it, that is all there is if there is anything.

[@SenoraLuna-jd4lt]

there has always been a meaning crisis, this is not a new thing, we don't know why we are here, we invented religion after religion and all sort of spiritual practices trying to make sense of it, but all of them are just inventions of our minds trying to seek meaning trying to make sense of everything, we don't know anything about the spiritual world, we barely know about the physical world, we don't know what all mean, we just attach ourself to beliefs that makes us feel confortable with our existence, but that doesn't mean those beliefs are truth, because absolutely no one knows what's beyond our little physical brains

[@isiahtuke6466]

I don’t know if this is what he means but the Christian definition of faith is not asserting things without evidence. If anyone would like to know the definition you may ask I’ve been a Christian for a while and that is not how we would explain it.

[@Seanus32]

Don't avoid rabbit hole metaphysics. Embrace it as part of holistic totality. Don't be afraid as you can always reject what is being proferred. Listen attentively and if it resonates, roll with it. If it doesn't, see why not and move on. It's not rocket science but don't adopt a fearful, dismissive approach. Just saying.

[@CatchmeIfucan-fo2hf]

The autodidact’s creed, “if it resonates, roll with it.” Thusly are cranks made.

[@Seanus32]

@@CatchmeIfucan-fo2hf Ok. Thx. That's wonderful

[@Seanus32]

@@erosec I see that point as well. We can dabble by dipping our toes in but not go knee deep. It depends what value you place on it, ultimately. It is merely exploring a different set of perspectives for what they are worth. We can exit at any time.

[@CampingforCool41]

@@CatchmeIfucan-fo2hfthat’s the problem with all the woo- what “feels right” isn’t always right, and people get sucked into weird cults and conspiracy theories this way.

[@idratherstayanonimous7020]

I disagree. Metaphysics were taught in ancient time by people backed by a long and solid tradition. The metaphysics i have learned about, though millenia old knowledge, i have no community to feedback from, no tradition, etc. It's became hollow knowledge.

[@martinwilliams9866]

Surely physicalism doesn't deny anything, just that it has to be physical? Materialism is a stillborn philosophy as space & time are also required for any material substance to exist.

[@selmathornton5489]

Why does spirituality have to make strong sense or be logical? Doesn’t transcendence transcend language?

[@PippiBarbieri]

Yes, found in silence, words remove you from the actual experience- conceptuality is a nasty filter

[@bavingeter423]

I think Vervaeke is saying that there needs to be some sort of bridge between the transcendence and how you integrate it into your every day living

[@stephen5119]

Why ruin an interesting interview with an overlay of 'muzak ' that was utterly distracting?

[@notloki3377]

i see some themes with zombies... close knit relationships, intentional communities, homesteading, and not making a lot of noise. lovecraft is also postmodern mythology.

[@user98344]

3:28 I disagree. Religions a lot of times wanted you to be a zombie

[@brookescofield8276]

“A lot of times” does not equal always.

[@user98344]

​@@brookescofield8276Thanks for enlightening me

[@ti-lo5hy]

Nice logical thought... Be a shame if my first-hand experience was to trump it without reason

[@selmathornton5489]

Amen ❤🎉

[@reivanen]

The thick description is the vedas, and the thin description is vedanta. Bhagavad gita is the infinitesimal.

[@FromPlanetZX]

That's why there is no real development in Indian Philosophy. We reach Consciousness too early.

[@DWKThedogbreaths]

I disagree, not that I'm an expert, that having secular government leads to scientific materialism. Excluding theology from government is the only way for society and science to grow. In Western secular countries there is still room for theology, transcendent metaphysics and panpsychism. These things are actually strangled in a theological government, dogma leads to stagnation because you are forced to believe only one thing, like Sharia for instance. Secular government allows the belief in what appeals to you as opposed to locking you into one thing and can, therefore, be fundamentally more theological. This discussion would not be possible in Iran, a religious governed country.

[@no42arak-st-floor44]

How can you prove that there are Zombies in existence?

[@herminepursch2470]

Some people are zombies they just go along with whatever they're told all you have to do is wake up , go and try to enjoy your life, be kind and loving

[@herminepursch2470]

I don't believe in zombies, demons, and hell

[@no42arak-st-floor44]

@herminepursch2470 Michael Jackson hired them for the Thriller Video!☺️

[@herminepursch2470]

​@@no42arak-st-floor44yeah 😂 funny