Eurofighter Typhoon vs Rafale: BVR Missile Battle & Dogfight | DCS

We use DCS to simulate a missile battle between Eurofighter flying from London, and Rafale flying from Paris. Both are using Meteor long range missiles. For close range, Typhoon uses ASRAAM, Rafale uses MICA-IR.
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0:00 Overview
2:43 ROUND 1 - Eurofighter Typhoon
20:56 ROUND 2 - Rafale
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[@clangerbasher]

So now you have tweaked Rafale's RCS can you please do a QE vs CdeG carrier fight? You know you want to do a thing.

[@grimreapers]

I'm not convinced it will make much difference against full 5th gen?? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqHIY4SCd8aDlZI

[@sulyokpeter3941]

@@grimreapers Good idea! And this time give the French CSG at least 1 USA Destroyer(Not Cruiser) because of the NATO thingy GR. French CSG have US ships with it same thing about the UK CSG in real life but because UK won last time, they will be full UK CSG again. So it would look like this: Rafale with 0.5 RCS, and French CSG with 1 USA Destroyer vs UK CSG with F-35B with Meteors. The US Destroyer should deployed with their anti-shipping SM-2 and SM-6. :) This will give a chance for France to win vs the UK CSG. Ohh and no anti-shipping Rafales only air-to-air. And change the UK AWACS to 3 Merlin Crowsnest helicopters, UK does not have any apart from that helicopters at the moment. The Wedgetail will be available in the future, but not for the navy i think. So yeah, no E-2D for UK.

[@clangerbasher]

@@grimreapers 😒🤔

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

We’ve gotta build the three Type 26 variants for the game.

[@clangerbasher]

@@grimreapers Another thing to consider. The CdeG has E2. QE only has the lacklustre Crowsnest which is for spotting periscopes and low flying missiles. No theatre wide control of BVR missiles.

[@seangfoster1974]

That river in France (Seine) was the one used by Ragnar Lothbrok when the Vikings besieged Paris.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@TheMcIke]

I've never considered how modern aerial battles over France can take place without even leaving England... How different WWII would have been with this technology...

[@OscarZheng50]

watching a rafale slowly tearing a eurofighter apart is certainly an amazing airshow

[@grimreapers]

Very uncomfortable as a Brit...

[@NATObait]

Rafale is deadly against all known gliders.

[@Dicey151]

Thanks for the sonic boom in Brighton, Matrix… you can actually see my “sort of represented” street near the train station.

[@grimreapers]

Sorry for the windows.

[@Greybeard1357]

Absolute kudos to the gent acting as AEW&C in second round!! Excellent work! Best I've seen in sims!

[@5Andysalive]

i remember one of these where Matrix fought 3 raptors alone, while just casually commentating. You can tell the real pilots... Which he is (or was) btw.

[@djzoodude]

That 0.5m2 RCS for the Rafale is almost certainly in a clean configuration. With external stores, its probably got the same RCS as the Typhoon.

[@coreysuh6502]

I believe the external stores do increase the RCS in DCS

[@LondonSteveLee]

But then Typhoon has the option of a conformal fuel tank giving it a RCS advantage over a tanked up Rafale.

[@djzoodude]

@@coreysuh6502 as far as I know, the RCS is whatever it's set too, with or without external stores.

[@djzoodude]

@@LondonSteveLee maybe a slight advantage, but as long as it's carrying missiles on pylons, it's RCS is not going to be significantly different from the Rafale, even if the Rafale has fuel tanks and the Typhoon doesn't.

[@LondonSteveLee]

@@djzoodude Perhaps - the advantage would still be with Typhoon and of course in combat trim Typhoon could enter the battle with a 10-15,000 foot ceiling advantage giving its Meteors much longer legs - this advantage alone would be decisive in handing the battle to Typhoon. The Rafale is a great all-rounder though - I would rather the British had the M-variants on their carriers over F-35B - we could have more than 12 per carrier to begin with - and they'd actually function rather than being below deck under repair - again.

[@geography5637]

I got this from an A.I. bot :The Dassault Rafale is generally considered to be more stealthy than the Eurofighter Typhoon due to a number of design features that help reduce its radar cross-section. These features include: Shape: The Rafale has a highly streamlined shape with a flattened nose and a smooth, curved body. This helps to reduce the aircraft's radar signature by deflecting incoming radar waves away from the source. Composite Materials: The Rafale is constructed with a high percentage of composite materials, which are much less reflective to radar waves than traditional metal materials. This helps to further reduce the aircraft's radar signature. Internal Weapons Bay: The Rafale has an internal weapons bay that can be used to carry weapons and fuel tanks. By keeping these items inside the aircraft, the Rafale can maintain a lower profile and reduce its radar signature. Advanced Coatings: The Rafale is coated with advanced materials that help absorb and scatter radar waves, reducing the aircraft's signature even further. Engine Design: The Rafale's engines are designed with reduced infrared signatures, which makes it more difficult for heat-seeking missiles to track the aircraft. While the Eurofighter Typhoon also has some stealth features, such as a curved shape and the use of composite materials, it is generally considered to have a larger radar cross-section than the Rafale. However, it's important to note that stealth is just one factor in the overall performance of a fighter jet, and the Typhoon is known for its superior maneuverability and high-speed performance, which are also important factors in air-to-air combat. I don't know if its accurate, I just got it from an A.I. bot but it did say its source included government reports as well as the official websites of Dassault and of the multitude of companies that worked on the Eurofighter like Airbus, BAE systems and Leanardo. Also once again I don't know how accurate this is as I'm pretty sure some people prefer the Rafale over the Eurofighter because of superior maneuverability and energy management at high speeds while maneuvering but I could be wrong. (Edit): Also thats not saying thats even nearly enough for a cross section to be that low

[@julien3794]

the low RCS of the rafale is thanks to it's SPECTRA system, awesome things but REALLY classified, and it has no internal bay

[@yahnump]

Things you can count on 100% in life. Death, taxes and a GR video where Cap starts off assuring us there will be no dogfights, and there are dogfights.

[@MattWaller04]

Accurate af

[@grimreapers]

It just doesn't make any sense how these go down to DFs. Shouldn't happen.

[@MattWaller04]

@@grimreapers tell the boys to stop dodging missiles and accept their fate like men 💀

[@patriotic3123]

Very good video, we always love to see some EuroCanard on the channel. The 0.5m come from a director at Dassault that said that the requirement for the plane was to have the same radar signature as a small bird (hummingbird). But with fuel tank and missile it would be a lot more (at least going up to 1.5m). Same for the Typhoon. Loadout wise, the rafale can carry up to 4 meteors, 2mica em and 2 mica IR. Mica EM have a small range increase over the mica Ir thanks to better aerodynamics (maximum range is up to 80km for the radar variant and up to 65km for the IR one). Anyways i loved the video and hope to see another video with the rafale soon! A Rafale FAN

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@johneckert1690]

Lovely mission and the dog fighting at the end was outstanding, Thank you to all that participated.

[@imellor711]

Normandy 2.0 map is brilliant, and I have even been able to pick out my own house, west of London, between Heathrow and Farnborough....

[@leoncarter9641]

No way with weapons on hard points does a rafale have a radar cross section of 0.5, no way in hell!

[@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh]

No, with fuel tanks this climbs up quickly, same for the Eurofighter as well... then the electronic countermeasures do play a critical role and those are not really modeled, so all in all, this is a decent compromise

[@LondonSteveLee]

Indeed it's utter nonsense - also Tranche 3 onwards Typhoon has the option of conformal fuel tanks which actually swings the RCS the other way in maxed-out configurations.

[@NATObait]

@@LondonSteveLee Conformal tanks have been tested on both aircraft but neither is used in service. The latest Captor E has a repositioner swash plate so the Eurofighter can notch and still guide it's Meteors while the Rafale has no ability to perform that.

[@thelemega9476]

@@NATObait I quote "Defensive Counter Air -> Need some improvements in EW and identifications domains" , Recon -> Minimum capabilities not achieves, Air to Ground -> Minimum capabilities not achieves, Air policing -> "Moderatly objectable deficiencies". The opposite as you can see on the test in the link, Rafale Achieved all Minimum or Maximum capabilities and Best pilots impression / Effectivness.

[@NATObait]

@@thelemega9476 Correct statements were made 1: No way has a Rafale got a RCS of 0•5 m² with weapons and tanks!!! 2: Absolutely Rafale can't match Eurofighter and F22 in acceleration or climb. With internal weapons and big fuel reserves an F35 does not have drag and no change to RCS also it's Radar is double the size with more power available for EW , it has 360° field of view Rafale has 140° . Missile approach warning is served by 10 censors on F35 and 3 on Rafale. Basically it is not a contest due to modern design v previous generation.

[@nigeldepledge3790]

Cap, did you not hear about the Parisian guy who jumped off one of the bridges into the river? He was said to be in Seine.

[@grimreapers]

I see what you did there!

[@05councilmember]

Lol

[@exidy-yt]

That was a great, GREAT high-tension battle! THIS is the kind of shiz that I watch GR videos for. Kudos for all involved. Keep it up! 👍

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@Anarchy_420]

Hell yeah! Thanks for this one Cap!!😁👍👍

[@13deadghosts]

Rafale with external weapons mounted having an RCS of 0,5m² ? Yeah, I am going to call bullshit on this.

[@CJWall_rott]

Cap this is a great video to watch after getting off work

[@colinboneham7387]

Cracking fights tbh great to see the dogfight at the end, would be a good one to see a guns only between the 2.

[@Darkfuturist]

You guys need to do England and France vs Russia and China Carrier group.

[@grimreapers]

Yup that's def poss.

[@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh]

Except there is no real Russian carrier anymore though... I would put 2 Chinese carriers instead, but first nerf the PL15 missiles though

[@Gravity.357]

Yes please!!

[@SchlomoGoldbaum]

The Eurofighter does not have a larger RCS than the Rafale. If at all the same. During development, special attention was paid to using as many materials as possible that do not react to radar. And the Eurofighter is really one of the fastest fighters in terms of acceleration and top speed. The Austrians flew the Eurofighter at 2.35 Mach. The thrust/weight ratio of the Eurofighter is also one of the best.

[@Despiser25]

Did I hear a rumor that DCS is working on a Eurofighter or was this the one I was hearing about?

[@master_shifu4208]

Yes sir, they are making a proper full euro fighter for dcs, same quality as the f-16 or tomcat. But the release date is unknown and it might not be out until next year

[@Despiser25]

@@master_shifu4208 TY Sir, salute!

[@grimreapers]

Full fid EF will be really useful.

[@hyrikul602]

@@grimreapers Nothing about a Rafale ? :(

[@deepat]

Should try an Argentine surprise attack on England. War era of course. I can already hear the intro. "For reasons, the entire Argentine fleet has managed to get within 100 miles off the British coast without anyone knowing".

[@shaneofcanada7042]

We'll save you London, as someone drops flares into a neighbourhood lol.

[@grimreapers]

Someone will put it out for me.

[@benoittassin1379]

If you ever want to tweak the Rafale specs to GR standards you might want to have it tested by Ate Chuet (a french youtuber that flew Rafale and pretty unbiased in regards to equipment quality). Afaik the Rafale "stealth" mostly comes from its spectra system which is classified but apparently very efficient (though not as good as Gen5 packages).

[@grimreapers]

I would actually LOVE that! Spoken to Ate before, properly nice guy.

[@Lyndonberg_Gaming]

Missed Guernsey’s 🇬🇬 airdrome by a mile or two there cap 😝 cheers for the content guys keep it up!

[@jokiejoker2011]

Wonderful just really freaking wonderful! And Cap I’m enjoying the modified cursing but it’s ok to rip some swear words off in the heat of battle. Please continue to put out such great content

[@Greybeard1357]

Very much enjoyed the dogfight at the end.

[@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh]

It was great ! but the damage model for the Eurofighter was completely crazy, one or two hits with a 30mm round and the plane is gone

[@grimreapers]

Most of these mods don't have dmg models compatible with gun fire. Missiles work fine though.

[@gavreynolds2689]

I can't remember now how many times I've had a chuckle when you've gone from an overview of the battle and back into your cockpit only to be killed a few seconds later from a missile or miss hap. But please don't change and rob me of 1 of my minor enjoyments.

[@grimreapers]

Yeh I have a habit of doing that.

[@ashhawk2346]

Agreed, I'd definitely up the RCS for the Rafale Cap. Side note, that was a joy to watch 👍🏻

[@Stinger522]

I watched this yesterday. Best piece of evening entertainment ever. Props to that last Rafale holding out until the end. Future Rafale video ideas. Rafale Vs SU-35. Rafale Vs. F-15C. Rafale Vs. F-15EX. Rafale Vs F16. Rafale Vs. Gripen.

[@forzaelite1248]

Hey Cap do you think you could work on a Peregrine missile for the game? The concept is essentially a small "half-raam" shaped a lot like the SM-2 with the range of an AMRAAM-C or so but the maneuverability of an AIM-9X. It's being made for the F-35 because it's small enough that 2 can fit on a single rack and the seeker head has a radar, IR seeker, and a HARM's passive receiver for homing on jam or maybe SAM arrays.

[@grimreapers]

Will pass on to CH now.

[@EmilyJaneCostumeQueen]

That second fight was the single greatest fight I think I've ever seen!

[@Captain-Fox]

Been watching GR for years but never really asked, are the tweaked/upgraded modules and weapons GR uses available for download? If so, from where? Keep doing your thing guys!

[@Smokeyr67]

I assume that those telling you that the Rafale has such a small RCS are French :)

[@warthundershowcasing8905]

It does have a pretty low RCS, just not as much as an F-22/F-35. Unlike the Eurofighter, the Rafale had extensive work done to reduce intake's RCS for example with inclusion of S-ducts. And I'm not French :)).

[@kilianhzh]

@@warthundershowcasing8905 the Eurofighter Typhoon uses S-Ducts as well

[@Smokeyr67]

@@warthundershowcasing8905 It has the same RCS as a Super Hornet (both clean). As soon as you add a bag or two and any weapons, it stands out on radar like a big pair of dogs whatsits!

[@clangerbasher]

Mais oui, bien sur!

[@Smokeyr67]

@@clangerbasher Yep, Ben Hur was a great movie?? 😅

[@wallyman292]

5:38 - Spent several seconds looking for the town/city of "Unglay" that you ordered the team to stay over before it dawned on me what you meant. . . ;)

[@ian12262]

If you jump off a bridge in Paris, you're in Seine.

[@ecbst6]

Climb out on the ladder while it's in-flight, ghostride it!

[@seanmataya2290]

Great mission 👍

[@frenchroast1355]

That was excellent.

[@jrizos06]

Seconds away from praising Cap on flying below the Eiffel Tower perfectly, yet still the inevitable bent my prop (in a jet) - that repeatability in multiple aircraft is truly impressive!

[@grimreapers]

Turns out me and Matrix ran into each other under the tower - oops.

[@5Andysalive]

@@grimreapers A lot of loving couples do that.

[@svenskdod]

You guys should put together the ghost bat or some other low observable drone for some battles.

[@graemeporter]

Is there an A-6 Intruder in DCS nowadays? Just watched your "Flight of the Intruder" video from 4 years ago, was hoping you might be able to redo it with the correct aircraft - not to mention, all your additional accumulated experience in modding and mission building in DCS - could be a real blast.

[@S1LVERF15]

Not an official one, no

[@kurtreichenbach8927]

They are making an AI A-6 right now that is suppose to lead into a flyable one.

[@hrwedsash]

Typhoon has a lower RCS than Rafale. Source: Indian fighter pilot involved in MMRCA evaluation.

[@0tb16]

Yeah I knew that guy aswell, his call sign was "trust me bro" if I recall correctly

[@Chio_OB]

That was epic!

[@JPsTechReviews]

Best match I ever watched.

[@Istandby666]

Cap: I really want poosh. Maverick: Find viper, I want viper. LOL

[@op_snooze]

Kudos to Bird, holding in reserve so he could be the clincher if needed. A+ strats.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Awesome!

[@robjohnson5872]

Can't stop laughing - Cap -"It's like an airshow, but just like the best airshow I've ever seen". You know, the kind with live missiles n'all.

[@grimreapers]

Violent air show best air show??

[@alexsmart5452]

IMO if the best plane was based on looks alone the Rafale would be the F22. I saw the Rafale when I visited Paris and its just a cool, beautiful, lethal, looking Jet. The French did a great job with it. and Ive watch F22s do take off and landings at our local airport here in Billings, MT. Like a little airshow. also a cool looking jet..just not as.

[@chrisdudley1784]

So, question. I haven't done DCS. When you set the Rafale's RCS to .5, was it .5 with the bags? Or was it .5 + the bags? Feels like 1.5 + 1 bag = 2.5 (assuming a 1 m add for the bag) and .5 + 2 bags = 2.5.... Again, having not played DCS, I have no idea. Just curious.

[@grimreapers]

It's a bit crap in game. You set a static RCS at the beginning of the battle, and it never changes, despite which payload it has.

[@RobertHopkinsArt]

Hello Cap! I've been attempting to determine the process of installing a missile (771) from another aircraft into the Su-27, but unfortunately, I haven't discovered any answers on the forum, ChatGPT, or here. Could you please guide me to a resource that explains how to install this specific missile into the Su-27? Alternatively, if you can provide instructions on how to carry out the installation, or if there is a video demonstrating the installation of missiles on different planes, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mate!

[@RussellTain-tj1mr]

Hey cap, i heard or see on the previous comment saying that you were going to make a video about the new RCS of SU57 that has changed the RCS from 0.12m2 to 0.017m2, that i saw on the comment, that you were saying on it, right. So, can you make a video about the change in the RCS of the SU57.

[@gtifighter]

According to Google, Dassault Rafale has a RCS of 1.25 meter square.

[@grimreapers]

That sounds a bit more like it to me.

[@maitreytelang2312]

Hey GR, doesn’t the Rafale carry an additional pair of MICA RF BVRAAMs?

[@grimreapers]

So do you mean 4 x Meteor + 4 x MICA? I was not aware of this.

[@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh]

@@grimreapers 2 meteor, 2-4 MICA ER (radar fox3) and 2 MICA IR

[@maitreytelang2312]

@@grimreapers Yep, 4 Meteors, 2 MICA RFs and 2 MICA IRs.

[@rh5842]

Idk if DCS has the night hawk but it would be so cool if you could use it or include it in future videos

[@grimreapers]

Yup got something planned with it.

[@MTBScotland]

Every thing I've read online shows the Raffa at between 1-2 RCS. Thats both general chat and published science.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@TheStormpilgrim]

A river in Paris...you mean the Left Bank and Right Bank aren't financial institutions? "You want a loan? Sorry, that's Right Bank. We only do deposits and wealth management here at Left Bank."

[@johnmiles79]

Let's get this RCS sorted. Look up the article: “It's Like Fighting Mr. Invisible”: I Fought Against a Stealth F-22 (And Lost)

[@terencyowens9491]

Hell of a fight there. How about a dogfight with between all of the jet trainers from the past forty years.

[@danielpray6049]

Would a vertical saw tactic work in a long range flat terrain situation like this? The guy at the top of the climb fires at the baddies, and drags the incoming missiles back down into the thick air as the next guy is climbing into the top position. Would it burn too much fuel?

[@LondonSteveLee]

They wouldn't need to do any of this - In combat trim Typhoon has an (at least) 10,000 foot ceiling advantage over Rafale - that would give its Meteors a decisive kinetic and range advantage. The Missiles have AI, they won't track a low altitude target at low altitude - they'll stay up high to maximise range until they HAVE to dive.

[@chigeryelam4061]

What were those tactics at the end by 2 typhoons? Looked like a throw to me.

[@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh]

A few quick comments on the starting planes: both RCS are wrong if the planes have external tanks, you should probably multiply by at least 3 the proposed numbers... In terms of loadout, Eurofighter would normally take 6 meteors max (or a mix mix of meteor and AMRAAM) and 2 ASRAAM, the latest Rafale F4 version would take 2 meteors, 4 MICA EG and 2 MICA IR; There are tremendous differences for each planes between versions (regarding their radar, electronic countermeasures, helmets etc.) and that would have a massive impact on the results. If Rafale are in pairs, the standard practice is that the front plane that fires missiles does not turn on its radar, to be a more difficult target, the Rafale behind can guide the missile fired by the front plane. The MICA IR is a medium range IR missile that can be fired without IR lock, the missile then searches its target, so it is essentially a BVR IR missile which launch is very hard to detect by the enemy plane. Eurofighter should be expected to dominate at high altitude, and Rafale at low altitude.

[@octavia200]

I don't think SPECTRA is modelled in this mod

[@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh]

@@octavia200 No of course not, and neither is the equivalent system of the Eurofighter, but even so, lots of variables

[@LondonSteveLee]

ASRAAM is also a BVR missile when fired from an initial high speed and altitude. As part of Sky Sabre even ground launched ASRAAM is achieving 25+mile kills - they must have a range of nearly double that if fired at 50,000 feet. The Wikipedia range on them is way under-rated. Tranche 3 onwards Typhoon has the option of a conformal tank improving RCS over a tanked-up Rafale. It would also have an at least 10,000 foot ceiling advantage (conservatively!) over Rafale in combat trim giving its Meteors much longer legs. Typhoon would just have to fly in at maximum altitude - that would give it enough of a range advantage to defeat Rafale given the same missiles.

[@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh]

@@LondonSteveLee All real characteristics are classified so let's avoid making guesses here. ASRAAM certainly has longer range than IRIS-T for example, but it is also a smaller and lighter missile than MICA IR (and also slower, with a speed of about Mach 3 vs Mach 4 for MICA) so its range is still probably less. Let's remember that MICA IR and ER are identical save for their guidance system. Conformational tank would certainly help, but there are so many factors involved in detection range... Typhoon are better than Rafale at high altitude, but the reverse is true at low altitude, so if Rafale evade the initial salvo, table are turned... Overall, this would be a tight fight, and this test, despite all the caveats, does show this rather well, well done to the teams !

[@LondonSteveLee]

@@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh Indeed, I didn't say ASRAAM matches MICA for range - I said it's also a BVR missile. Low altitude performance would very much depend on whether the Typhoon has the 2015 aerodynamic enhancement kit fitted or not which tremendously improved nose authority and lift with no additional drag. (I don't think the Brits have fitted this.) the bypass ratio of the Rafale engine (suited for marine operation) gives it great responsiveness at low altitude making it a good dog-fighting engine. On the EJ200 side, RR have recently unlocked a staggering 30% (THIRTY PERCENT!) extra thrust from EJ200 (though a software update) as the engines are lasting well beyond their expected service life (doubling it to be precise) - which is costing them millions in lost (projected) revenue. This turns what is already a hot-rod into the power-to-weight king of the skies in interceptor trim - all that extra power sups fuel of course.

[@delonixradar]

Hey Cap, I was just in Hong Kong yesterday, and when I logged in to your channel, I was like WTF...what happened? Most of your videos were gone, with the last video 3 months old. Not only that, but all videos had commenting turned off (and no comments visible) I thought you had a big spat with YT and was trying to download Rumble. Today, I landed in Australia and checked...all your videos are back with comments. Unless you did something major yesterday, I think YT does some SERIOUS censorship of your vids in certain countries.

[@Googlencraptubesuckabandonship]

Apparently, Cap has never seen The Vikings. That is how they got to Paris. That main vein right through the country. 120 ships.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@Googlencraptubesuckabandonship]

@@grimreapers You guys are great tho. Thanks for your work.

[@abdurrachmansatrio5372]

Could you make a scenario where the three eurocanards (Gripen, Rafale, and Eurofighter) teaming up to face the Russian fighters (Su-35, Su-30, and Mig 31)?

[@grimreapers]

Cool

[@JD-sb4ss]

9:10 Supercap, Meteor’s propulsion seems better than SRM missiles like AIM260 when fired down low. The missile has both the ability to modulate its throttle and energy dense oxidant free propellant. This should allow Meteor to conserve fuel and keep its motor going longer, maybe even flooring it in terminal phase. Thicker air offers the motor more oxidizer which might also increase maximum thrust. The downside of air breathing propulsion is the inability to exit atmosphere. GR’s imaginary AIM260 uses bow thrusters to maneuver in space, it might hit targets up high that are tough for Meteor. TL;DR Fox 3 Weeds: Meteor propulsion seems better Fox 3 Very High: AIM260, PL15, R-77 propulsion seems better

[@grimreapers]

Roger noted. I;m not sure we can change it anyway TBH. Due to current game restrictions, our Meteor actually has a VERY long burning but low impulse SRM. This is why it's so bad low down. So I guess we have to accept this as an innaccuray.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Correct, someone actually gets the massive step forward modern computing and sensor packages give ramjet motors. The days of fixed ramjet configurations compromising performance are long gone. Meteor will throttle the intake maintaining the intake velocity required to keep the motor ignited for maximum efficiently and power regardless of altitude - there's plenty of oxygen down low! Meteor will thrive at low altitudes.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

The RCS of a Rafale is certainly not something that is set in stone, outside of the amount of composite used in the plane and the revised aerodynamics, the SPECTRA suite also act in a way to reduce the RCS but all that part is classified, on the other hand, add some missiles or pods and that RCS is going to grow. My question is would french pilots bring 2 fuel pods for a flight over home ground when faced with peer to peer level threats ?

[@colinboneham7387]

Cutting thru the Eiffel Tower hard enough in a spitfire in Blazing Angels(Xbox) at full throttle so most probs even harder in a fast jet.

[@MrVanderchevy18]

I'd love to see this done against a Su-57 with an F-35 using an updated flight model and more realistically powerful radar.

[@-Deena.]

Love to see Iron Dome? CH? 🧡

[@coreysuh6502]

Why is that the Meteor performs worse at lower altitudes compared to solid rocket motor missiles? Intuitively, I would think it would be the other way around. Here’s my logic. Because the Meteor requires atmospheric oxygen to produce thrust, there is a point in which the thrust/drag ratio begins to decrease as altitude increases. Seeing how conventional missiles contain their own oxidizer, there is no such constraint. Therefore, thrust would not change depending on altitude, just drag. Accordingly, a conventional missile becomes more efficient the higher the altitude where’s the Meteor may prefer relatively higher air density to produce optimal thrust. This would be my logic, but I am not an aerospace engineer so I am not be understanding ramjet physics properly. Any explanation would be greatly appreciated!

[@LondonSteveLee]

It doesn't, it's Grim Reapers/DCS nonsense based on historical compromises that you used to have to make with ramjets. With modern compact computing power and advanced sensors calculating the throttling of the intakes in real time to generate the required air speed through the ramjet engine to maintain the burn is trivial - what was a electro-mechanical nightmare to keep ignition going is a few sensors, some lines of code and some servos away. Guess what you get loads of down low? That's right, oxygen! Meteor will be a demon at low altitude - able to accelerate and steer under power when the solid-fuelled missiles are already slowing. You certainly won't be out-turning Meteor in piloted aircraft at ANY altitude while they are still burning - as they ridiculously did in this video!

[@JustynTemme]

viewington wuingtons made me rewind and play it again lmaooo

[@Hacheees]

Is this map real word sized? It's amazingly done!

[@LondonSteveLee]

Looks like Bird still had an ASRAAM - if he can physically see the Rafale he could pre-cue the ASRAAM and blow the Rafale out the sky - even if it's behind him. Depending on the host aircraft software levels ASRAAM has 360 degree coverage with lock-after-launch - and flare rejection is pretty much 100% (like IRIS-T.)

[@-JA-]

👏👍

[@B61Mod12]

Lol, tiny RCS, but a fixed external refuelling probe....... makes sense.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

You can take the pilot outta the Jaguar, but yer canna take the Jaguar out the pilot 😁 Luv that Matrix is low flying around Brighton and finding ‘mountains’ in the South of England.

[@mixit2413]

I'm surprised cap didn't know about the south downs Butser hill (about 900feet about sea level) being a well known land mark and north downs punchbowl area (900 Feet OD)and Box hill (700 feet OD) also well known not mountains but good height considering how flat south England generally is.

[@grimreapers]

Fair comment, I will try to make use of it.

[@everydaycarrycanada951]

The best tactical setup would be two up high and two about 10k lower as bait.

[@everydaycarrycanada951]

@@flashgordon6670 yep. Though the only real way to really catch the bandits off guard is to add a stealth like the F-35 in with a basic internal loadout nothing external. Though I would prefer the F-22 in the role, for the obvious reasons. Watching these videos makes me want to get DCS and work out different scenarios of current tech during the height of the cold war. Would be even better if was over the arctic circle for more realistic feel. Crazy thing is the US is still using one main airframe the b-52 bomber. Just wished there was a dcs Avro arrow in Mk II or even a modern version. If one of the original use the radar and fire control system from an a model Tomcat as it would be the closestin set-up to the arrow

[@LondonSteveLee]

Typhoon has such a huge altitude-celling advantage (in combat trim) over Rafale (at least 10,000 - probably 15,000 feet in reality), it could simply fly in at maximum altitude giving its Meteors a considerable kinetic and range advantage. This "simulation" is nonsense - the less said about the laughable RCS modelled for Rafale the better. The considerable altitude disadvantage for Rafale would be further exacerbated if Typhoon was wearing its conformal tank against Rafale carrying drop-tanks (and a RCS disadvantage to-boot). Of course Rafale in clean trim has much better range than Typhoon. The already considerable celling advantage for Typhoon has recently been theoretically increased thanks to Rolls Royce unlocking a staggering 30% increase in thrust for the EJ200 as they are doubling their expected mean time before failure in service. The engines are too damn reliable which is costing RR a lot of money in reduced sales! (meanwhile we reduce the available thrust for our F-35Bs due to engine fragility!)

[@everydaycarrycanada951]

@@LondonSteveLee everything I hear about the F-35 engines has been positive. The only issue people seem to have that there is only one engine in the F-35. As with anything new to aviation it takes time to figure out what are the issues to watch out for. Most F-35 issues I am aware of have all been software related.

[@LondonSteveLee]

@@everydaycarrycanada951 It's a fragile engine being operated below maximum thrust in normal service - there isn't tonnes of talk about a new engine for nothing - the huge expense and time overrun of the F-35 project meant staying with the current compromised and over-stretched engine design to avoid igniting further political backlash. If the project demanded a new engine I wouldn't be surprised if an angry congress canned the project when looking for cuts! Hopefully the export success will mean it actually DOES get a new engine when the dust settles - they've got to break the bad news that it needs a total avionics refit first. Again a legacy of the project being so late causing design freezes to reduce risk means that everything under the skin is nearly 20 years out of date. Block 4 is a sticking plaster and really is the end of the line for the current F-35 computing infrastructure. Yes (whisper it) F-35 is already obsolete until it's completely refitted.

[@Editzify]

i have a request i dk if its modeled but can you guys do the mach loop for a fun little video i see mountains are modeled on map idk if they are in game

[@grimreapers]

We don't have that part in game sadly :(

[@Editzify]

@@grimreapers that sucks would be a great part of map

[@everydaycarrycanada951]

@@grimreapers is there an arctic circle map to go over cold war themed missions like bomber interception with dew line stations. Would be interesting if you could set up a battle that lasts as long as certain key strategic centers and factories are not destroyed. Using ai bots and humans.

[@Istandby666]

The RAF is supposed to have the E-7 wedgetail in 2023. Does DCS have the E-7, yet?

[@grimreapers]

Neg, but TBH I just use E2D for all AWACSs in game anyways.

[@ivorharden]

Are there going to be anymore cold war jets coming to DCS e.g EE Lightning, Javelin, Hunter, Jaguar etc?

[@MaxIsStrange1]

No. At least not in the near future. I believe that the modules which are the closest to completion are the F-15E, the F-4, and the A-6(?)

[@grimreapers]

They will all come eventually but we are talking years away.

[@ivorharden]

@@grimreapers its such a shame. I would love to see a f6 lightning vs foxbat.

[@Danieldragne88]

do you guys ever plan on making the builds public?

[@grimreapers]

I have links to all mods in the vid description, about half a page down. Not the GR builds though. As these are other people's property, there is no way I can release GR modified versions of them, would be completely unfair to original mod-makers/property owners. Sry.

[@Danieldragne88]

@@grimreapers noted, thanks! ^_^

[@LondonSteveLee]

The stuff about reducing altitude to reduce the range of the missiles is a joke - yes - if BOTH aircraft are down there, but if someone is up high the missile will stay up high until it HAS to dive to engage the target - modern missiles don't blindly aim at their target at the target's altitude - particularly if the target data is coming from an external source (including the aircraft itself) so the missile doesn't need to keep its target in its RADAR cone - the missile's AI will calculate the best flight profile in real time to maximise range. So somebody sitting at 55,000 feet will have a HUGE advantage over someone at 10,000 feet. Another area where Typhoon has the upper hand - Rafale's engines are a compromise for carrier operations - Typhoon is much better at high altitude - fuel burn and actual fight ceilings - so forget wikipedia figures - in real combat trim Typhoon will have an (at least) 10,000 foot operational ceiling advantage as a starting point for launching its Meteors - that would turn into a decisive kinetic and range advantage for Typhoon's Meteors. These so-called simulations are so far from reality it’s mind-boggling. Great game but GIGO nonsense. As for less than half the RCS for Rafale - what utter trot.

[@stevewhite5554]

You seem to have forget 7 air defence group based at thorny island home of the sky sabre defence system ?

[@FriedPi-mc5yt]

Hey Super Cap, did Fly teach you that Eiffel Tower attack strategy?

[@grimreapers]

yes!

[@magi_-ff3ue]

Are the ASRAAMS just for show or why didn´t they fired them ?

[@K0B35]

Genuine question why don’t any aircraft in this game use flares is it just go make it shorter or because the they don’t have them or another reason does anyone know ?

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

The RCS of the Eurofighter is 0.5-0.01m2

[@jdickson1234]

Why such the delta wings?

[@robandcheryls]

Canadian Aircraft/ships/Army would be great? We had carriers post WW2. 🇨🇦 Veteran Love your stuff.

[@grimreapers]

thxx

[@funkytownjedi]

Su33 next?😅

[@maverick2909]

YES it's a simulation but Rafale and EF have been around for 20 years now... It always amazes me, how people seem surprised by Rafale's characteristics, especially in the US. Almost feels like people can't handle the fact that a small country like France succesfully developped a 4.5 gen fighter jet on its own. YES it's semi-stealthy, YES it's omnirole, YES it's extremely manoeuverable and YES this is what happens when a nation independently develops a fighter jet without having to deal with the whole Europe's brainstorming (with all due respect an appreciation to EF enjoyers and to every person involved in its development).

[@localdrugseller6431]

France is NOT a small country tf you smoking. Rafale is a fairly fitting plane for a country with such advanced and old military industry. And no Rafale does not have RCS of 0.5 even suggesting it does is ridiculous. With clean wings sure but with those big fuel tanks and external weaponry no damn way. Unless Rafale has some RAM coating which it doesnt from what i know. With fuel tanks and missiles its RCS would be close to Typhoon. All fair on other points though.

[@solomongray6352]

Vikings used that river like a freeway to get to the Paris peasants and pillage them!

[@grimreapers]

Nice. I wish I was a Viking.

[@piconano]

How do you make a flight model?

[@grimreapers]

It's just a data table in the main plane LUA. Just change the numbers. Takes a long time.

[@longtimber]

Nothing with a single straight up tail/rudder is low observable.

[@ElvisFundin]

The Rafale does not have an RCS of 0.5m^2, it's actually closer to 1m^2 and Eurofighter is a bit higher so you are correct on that aspect. Dassault's marketing team has done wonders. almost close to Saabs but not quite at that level. Your also not factoring in the fact that the Eurofighter has a bigger radar, the ECRS Mk1 has above 1000 TRM modules while the RBE-2A has "only" 838 modules. In real-world circumstances, the Eurofighter is simply a better fighter.

[@warthundershowcasing8905]

Last statement isn't true

[@thelmaviaduct]

The ground textures look like a cartoon, the UK isn't that colour.

[@grimreapers]

UK is just grey. I prefer it like this though. Gives me some hope.

[@thelmaviaduct]

@@grimreapers 😂🤣😂🤣

[@thelmaviaduct]

@@grimreapers hope you rigged it so the frogs don't win. Didn't get to the end to find out.

[@Frost-01]

I really dont think the rafale has that low of an RCS signature, it might have with no external payload but i really doubt it would with a full load on it.

[@bagelmaster2498]

Yea there’s no way