EV Track Day Can be Scary - TST Podcast

[@abh2188]

Model 3 performance with base color and no fsd is 54,990. They did it to fit the federal tax credit.

[@krispyywombat7382]

So what the smog guys didn’t tell you and may not be aware of is there’s an actual set of drive cycle tests to make the emissions monitors pass. Each car is a bit different, but usually they’re along the lines of X speed +/- 5mph for 180 seconds, and then decelerate to X speed, then accelerate with X throttle, and so on. I’ve been able to reset the monitors with a simple loop around my town following those procedures and then checking with an OBD2 dongle that the monitors show “pass”

[@mitchellcontente]

Yeah the best way to do this is with an OBD2 dongle. Save a lot of time and money

[@gregdeschodt9346]

the E46 M3 is the worst in that regard

[@narumis]

00:00 - intro 00:44 - "I love working on Labor Day" jumpscare and OBDII readiness checks to pass emissions 11:32 - Performance Electric Vehicle of the Year (Model 3 Performance, BMW i5, Mach-E Rally, Acura ZDX, Lucid Sapphire, Taycan GT, Ionq 5 N) 53:32 - driving EVs in NY and Matt's parents experience with their PEHVs, and them still not wanting to go full EV seemingly due to the "what if?" 1:01:10 - Zack's e-bike stolen and signal jacking RFID key fobs 1:06:50 - flying with a firearm and clay shooting talk Patreon questions: 1:13:52 - looking to get a Porsche Cabriolet for $40-80k, just for a fun car on good weather days, thoughts? 1:18:00 - given that EVs aren't as constrained on powertrain within the car compared to ICE, where would you like to see auto makers rethink designs and layouts for EVs? 1:21:33 - call me crazy, but my theory as to why the new M5 is so heavy is because BMW had decided to "Bently-ify" the car and make the ultimate driving executive luxury car instead of the largest possible sports sedan 1:26:05 - how much of a car is designed by an automaker from scratch and how much is purchased from other suppliers (e.g. Recaro, Bose)? 1:28:44 - are hybrid systems going to stifle further innovation for internal combustion like variable valve timing, variable geometry turbos, etc. for increasing perfomance? 1:30:24 - getting back into photography and trying to retrain my brain to find unique persepectives while walking around town and at car events; what do you guys find fun/unique/interesting about framing your car photos/videos as an artist? 1:33:45 - I've always wanted to drive a Lotus and the Emira is approachable by selling some cars, should I testdrive first or just jump in? 1:34:10 - thinking of getting an X3M Competition but keep hearing it's so stiff and wondering why the M3 wagon gets a pass when the same is said about it, and is the X3M really that stiff and can't be saved in the aftermarket? 1:35:50 - if you were to personally have a single 991 Carrera, would you choose NA or turbo? 1:36:13 - I have a ND2 and want something more with similar characteristics; settled on a C6 Z06 for ~$40k and are there any issues or pointers about the car that you know of? 1:37:56 - I'm on a quest to drive all the German V8s; what are you picking between the E92 M3, the C63, or the RS5 4.2? 1:38:45 - going to Italy for a week, what are some car things to do there? 1:39:59 - have you ever been truly content with your cars? 1:40:50 - how do you not get burnt out as a freelancer juggling many different obligations? 1:44:00 - are you shocked by how much the 2020+ Nissan GTRs have held their value? 1:46:00 - are there more colorways of the Notice Canyon watch coming? 1:46:06 - I just wanted to hear your opinion on white colors on Porsche, like red on Ferraris being of historical significance race-car-wise 1:47:00 - is there any car where a turbo rotary engine swap would be an improvement? 1:47:32 - what car things are classy if you're rich but trashy if you're poor? 1:50:33 - when considering the entire body of work throughout history, what car brands have made the prettiest cars? 1:52:40 - outro

[@Beardman770]

Thanks!

[@Json918]

Drove the 24 Model 3 Performance and honestly was super impressed by the effortless speed, great visibility/low center of gravity feel, track mode dynamics made it feel small and nimble, and my friends car with lightweight wheels ran a 10.6 at 128mph pretty insane for 45k after tax credit

[@Nomikeal]

I really appreciate the EV comparisons and content. I'll have an ICE in one of my cars for as long as possible for back roads and track work but for daily driving in traffic EVs are damn convenient!

[@CarswithMiles]

After having driven that Turbo GT; I'm confident the Air Sapphire has to be the fastest. Those hybrid PS4/Cup2 tires are unreal.

[@Ryukachoo]

2:30 Next time, you can get a basic OBD2 reader and the torque app to check the smog check readiness, you can view the status of those various internal checks and know what exactly when it's done

[@seldoon_nemar]

Fun fact, when air traveling with a firearm you can also use a high security padlock they can't open. Lifehack, if you're flying with high value gear (like $20k in camera gear) throw a flare gun in there and register the bag that way. No damage or loss!

[@NoClassic]

Most engine control systems will get into the readiness state with a good bit less driving than people assume. You could always just take an OBDII scanner with you and monitor the readiness state periodically so you don't waste a bunch of time.

[@stevemartegani]

I test drove the new Model 3 Performance out of sheer curiosity last month and had the same impression... Wow what a great car! I'd have a hard time justifying buying anything else for the price especially with fast charging available AT the tracks around here in the paddocks even. Side notes... The price is just under $55k if you get Gray with black interior, which means it DOES qualify for the $7500 rebate (if you yourself qualify) making it just $47,500. No strings no scams. But if you pick a different exterior or interior color it will not qualify. HOWEVER, people have been having issues with them at the track, only getting about 90 seconds at full power before overheating... Low power mode it could probably last a full session, but Tesla failed to install coolers for the system unlike Hyundai with the Ionic 5 N and some of the other cars in this test, meaning that if you want to do real track days with the Tesla you've got to modify it right off the bat with a bunch of aftermarket custom cooling setups (check the forums for details)

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

Wait a second here: So to pass an L.A smog test, you need to create 220miles of smog first? 😂

[@ethanmonat]

That's just how emissions reporting systems in cars work. They need a certain amount of time at a certain load and rpm to report a ready status.

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

@@ethanmonat So they don't use exhaust gas sniffers anymore, they just rely on what the car ecu tells them? Surely not after diesel gate

[@ethanmonat]

@@starfox_wr-45e93 The onboard emissions reporting has been used for decades. Sniffers were for cars without the onboard, or which were suspected to have had their onboard monitoring or reporting to be compromised.

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

@@ethanmonat which would be most of them from the factory, until caught 😂 We still use sniffers here in the U.K thankfully as it avoids all that nonsense. I'd be pissed if I had to just burn fuel aka💰 for something that's perfectly fine. Not to mention the cost to the environment. The whole "Lets keep the air cleaner by running cars for thousands of miles for no real reason other than the on-board computer fell asleep" seems like a stupid idea to me.

[@brettcastro97]

To add on to this, there actually is a period where even if the car has OBDII, it still has to have the exhaust measured and get put on the dyno. Only cars that are model year 2000 and up skip that.

[@fishtigua]

I'm an ex-lobster fisherman in Guernsey, UK, but my mate Cathy has a lobster/seafood restaurant in Maine (Barnacle Billy's in Ogunquit). Now you're selling their wares on the podcast!!!! Good man, we like. 😊

[@DoctorSkillz]

Why ex mate?

[@fishtigua]

@@DoctorSkillz it was a student job, very physical. Later I ran long-line tuna and swordfish boats in Venezuela.

[@AugieBoZ09]

@@DoctorSkillzcause he doesn’t do it anymore

[@DoctorSkillz]

@@AugieBoZ09 He said it was a student job and very physical.

[@e1beats]

Your objectivity is what keeps me watching 🎉🎉🎉

[@GeeWhizbang]

@Zack…in post production can you please add chapter markers in KZbin?

[@galactictomato1434]

We all wish buddy

[@fishtigua]

I had a 12 gauge stainless Mossberg semi-auto on the fishing boat. Double-zero shells, lots of big sharks get bitey.

[@flech3025]

@Matt you should get a OBD2 scanner so you can check to see if all self checks have been done and make sure the car will pass before you take it to SMOG.

[@runany1]

Very important Model 3 P is $47k after Fed rebate. Only options is color and FSD. Comes with autopilot. Crazy deal for it.

[@MaxRPMs]

28:20 I think you got it mixed up it’s 54,990 without the included 7500 tax credit and 5 year gas savings of 5000

[@chriswashburn9430]

NYST is a phenomenal track. Mostly for motorcycles, but still fun with non super cars.

[@chriswashburn9430]

There are scanners that can force readiness, or at a minimum show if the readiness monitors are set. Also, the readiness monitors sometimes require heat cycles as well as highway driving.

[@85priesty]

The car photos, crouch down. Take the photo from the level of the door handles, a mildly cloudy day is best, never use a flash, and if you're selling a car and want to showcase the dash, drop the front seats and climb in the back seats with a 16:9 ratio. But the best photos are taken when your at headlight level. Depends on the car obviously, but pick the right background, or in a dealership, have a photo booth that was done when I worked in car sales. Also make sure the front wheels are straight if it's a stagnant environment. But the worst thing about being a car salesperson is the 90% of the customers...also don't take photos where you have your shadow and again...never use a flash. But I went from photo lab tech to car sales...so that's just my idea.

[@lowstrife]

Wow super rave reviews of the model 3 performance - especially in the slider where you can adjust the balance\setup of the car. This is the "highland" refresh version? I need to put it on my list, this is quite good to hear Tesla finally getting their shit together.

[@GridConnections]

Came to watch this after Kyle Conner from Out of Spec mentioned this episode during his range test of the new model 3 (Went 371 miles which is wild).

[@splurb5000]

Thank you for addressing the craziness of selling super high speed cars to consumers, most of whom have no experience driving anywhere near as fast as these cars are capable of. Nobody needs to to do 0-60 in less than 2 seconds in a street car.

[@vvevvevvvv]

1:26:06 pretty much everything in a car is made by a supplier. Engines are casted by the Continental. Pistons, rods and cranks are made by Mahle. At the end some cars are even assembled by a supplier (Magna, for example assembles Supras and BMW Z4s).

[@thewaygokid3135]

It is possible to turn off the “scam” button in the Tesla configurator. You can also adjust it to give you a more accurate savings number based on your current MPG, and average miles you drive per year. I do agree that charging 8-12k for half baked FSD for the past 8 years is criminal.

[@VG22.]

wow, so nice to hear positive things about a TESLA from Matt's mouth.

[@M67v]

Hell has finally froze over

[@VG22.]

@@M67v lol

[@TheVaultIsMine]

I'm just a guy from another country with WAY less responsibility than you but that being said, I hope one day you find a way to make your time more manageable and less stressful in order to avoid burnout, Matt ❤

[@eliaswreford4523]

It was also Labor Dat weekend, we traveled as well but we were going against the flow of vacationers so while everyone was headed north, we headed south and vis versa.

[@chriswashburn9430]

Ioniq 5N or Model 3 Performance?

[@secularist1969]

Still love that watch Zack

[@mprinvale]

The sticky buttons on my ftype were so annoying (V8 s). I ended up replacing the start/stop button myself but the steering wheel ones were so gross. I barely ever drove it and it was always garaged. Couldn't believe it.

[@nathangreen900]

I love my XJR same era

[@skimwm]

If I want ME lobster I go down the street. ME here! Keep coming out with this good stuff

[@dude_oi]

out of watching/listening to this episode, now I’m curious to how the model 3 performance compares to the ioniq 5n … would love to add the Mach-E rally to the mix, my thoughts are that Hyundai and Tesla software experience may be more reliable and enjoyable, unless there’s been major updates to the Mach-E software experience since I last test drove it, beginning-mid summer

[@lordwalker71]

Always thought people were ridiculous with their criticism of how the EQS and EQE looked, there are far weirder looking EV's out there and I don't even think it is weird looking.

[@TheGavio93]

Farah-Day Cage could make for an excellent shirt.

[@M67v]

Matt: Tesla is scamming people by telling their customers that they’re saving $5,000 a year based on nothing! Also Matt: I’m charging $125/hr to drive your car because that’s at least how much my time is worth. All jokes aside it’s a pleasant surprise to see Matt commending the new Model 3 Perf.

[@TigerSquidCA]

You guys need to shoot sporting clays at Moore n Moore, they’re on the left side of the angeles range you pass all the time

[@WestsideCollectorCarStowage]

Regarding Bangor Lobster Claws, Matt does not receive the seafood he cooks in the mail. We shouldn't either.

[@Loothansa]

Im not gonna get into an accident. - But one might get into you. And thats why we have Progressive.

[@Matness23]

Our Parents vs Technology lol....my mom would hide the Faraday Box too😂

[@seldoon_nemar]

Smog isn't about the miles exactly. It's a series of different checks and it "takes about x miles" It needs to see things like "5 minutes at high rpm, check O2 circuit" "how fast did the system come to temp" "are the emissions valves working properly" Getting on the highway and setting cruise control for 50 miles each way is absolutely not going to work lmao. I usually told people "it's about 30-90 minutes of driving under different circumstances to reset it" ie, highway for 15-20 minutes, driving in traffic, driving at surface road speeds, etc. Every driving configuration you can hit. You're running self diagnostic programs, you need to use all the systems as intended 😂 Honesty you're wasting a ton of time driving that much... It's 90 minutes tops if you had a completely dead battery

[@TalmadgeG1]

Have they ever discussed the ZR1?

[@poisonedpens7390]

Any Donnie updates?

[@Heyitsallgoodman]

Happy as is or with a new color. Just not red/white/black/yellow. Something sick

[@tl_gr]

Hilarious to see them promote and talk about products and features that they have no clue about (the ad). Also Matt, the way you say Thesis sounds like Feces.

[@adamfry1125]

Maybe you parents listened to your advice too well. You should have sold them on EVs from the start. That was the car you should have recommended

[@RealBearFace]

You can get a nice over/under for like sub 2K. My brother got a nice used beretta for like 1200 not including paperwork

[@redlion145]

11:42 Not going to lie, seeing the title of the video before clicking in, I did hesitate. Performance cars are expensive, but I can dream. EVs are expensive, but I can't realistically charge at home. Put them together, and it's a vanishingly small market. Market isn't necessarily the same as audience, but still, seems like a limited interest topic. I'm basically here to support the show, rather than being super interested in the topic.

[@asterioslytsioulis4226]

Zack, greetings from Germany. What you need IS a Benelli Raffaello to shoot birds. THANK me later 😂😂😂😂

[@splurb5000]

I thought one of the major selling points of Tesla is that you don't have to deal with scammy dealerships. So instead you get to deal with their scammy website instead. Thanks, Elon.

[@Json918]

How can it be a scam when it literally says on the tesla website in plain literature what it's calculating into the price. You must be the type of guy to order a hot coffee and need the cup to say HOT! HOT! HOT!

[@WestsideCollectorCarStowage]

Ivan Capote needs to start trusting his intuition. There's no reason to let others' opinions dictate your path.

[@diydrivenGA]

I guess I'm different as I wanted to hear about electric cars.

[@lggy690]

When you were talking about the shotgun and clay pigeon shoot. It reminded me of this Only Fools and Horses classic skit 😂😂😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYqznnucbs6mgqMsi=5BH9W9t2UxS4CkeT

[@alexnelson9505]

I'm here just for the EV's

[@NaRdo_Slay27]

It’s called……having something & not needing it versus needing something & not having it….EVs have a long way to go imo 🤷‍♂️

[@jaioncebollero1168]

Ev’s don’t make sense at all on the “what if” scale imo. I mean yeah you probably won’t run out of range, but like… what if? Literally why would I take the chance when hybrids exist? Maybe if hybrids didn’t exist.

[@neilturner6749]

Well you won’t have any choice soon if you live in Europe! Most Hybrids being banned too…

[@jaioncebollero1168]

@@neilturner6749 wow that’s crazy. I knew that part of the world was Planning to ban ICE cars by like 2030 or something but I didn’t know it was hybrids too, that’s insane.

[@fraserwright9482]

$125/hr? Matt don't talk about this on your show. Why? If I pay for car storage for it to work seamlessly, not for you to moan on your show on why you didn't want to help by getting me the customer to do it, then instead of getting an employee to do this, you try to make it expensive for the sake of inconvenience to yourself. Would you allow your employees to go on another podcast and do this?

[@F41LZZz]

wtf you took a betting sponsor... thats pretty unethical and out of character

[@conspicuoustraverser7375]

I'm here

[@gt_grandtouring]

Such a shame to hear about the Tesla price scam…

[@XavierGoncalves89]

240k for a car that will be obsolete in less than 2 years, yikes

[@afhyoutube]

I know you guys are paid by Doug, but using his site to look up market data is just bad. Bring a Trailer has 160k+ results, Doug's site has an eighth of that. No wonder you can't find good data.