Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid - Update 3 - The Wrong Cayenne? - | Everyday Driver

Todd's family has put 20,000 miles on their e-Hybrid Cayenne and have gotten many questions about range, reliability, and other issues. Join Todd as he updates on their experience and talks about owning multiple Cayennes at once.
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00:00 - My other car is also a Cayenne
4:47 - Tire choices
8:21 - MPG and Power
12:15 - Pros and Cons and until next time.
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[@markcoopers1930]

The sad thing about the car community is that EVERYONE has something to say regardless of whether they know what they're talking about. Glad you shared your actual experience, with undisputable proof. Holds far more weight than the dude parroting "Get a Mechanic Charlie" and "Fix Or Repair Daily" that he learned from Grandpa's propaganda

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Fix Me Again Tony and Bring My Wallet

[@mediocreman2]

You were making decent sense until you started bashing grandpas. What the crap?

[@usamalvin]

I bought a similar model, the 2017 Platinum version without the air suspension, last October after watching your first video. The Porsche CPO warranty covers two years, and the car is running great. I also have a 2012 Touareg with close to 130k miles, which is also running great. Although I worry about the battery, I have good faith. Please keep the videos coming!

[@cdavisUT]

I think the push for full electrification (while a worthy overall goal) has caused many to overlook the significant benefits of an interim plug-in hybrid solution. As you point out, a relatively small battery allows you to do most of your day to day errands/commute in EV mode, while still being able to take advantage of the existing fuel infrastructure for longer trips. We have 80K miles on our '21 RAV4 Prime and still get 40 miles of electric range... plus 35+ MPG when running on gasoline.

[@Jazzzon777]

Right! Saves our lithium too.

[@MrBlahblah1011]

I have a 2012 Cayenne s hybrid with 215k miles I wouldn’t worry about the battery

[@tnutss]

Cayenne is the best handling SUV you could possibly buy so it’s no surprise you got them!

[@mkei8973]

Hi, from Japan!! Of course, I love your new car reviewing films on Everyday Driver channel. However, I also love your showing how the cars work at real life like this video. Thank you as always!!

[@massimo7219]

Love Japan !

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Thank you for being respectful and polite Japan 🇵🇸❤

[@mkei8973]

@@massimo7219Thank you very much!!

[@mkei8973]

@@SilverScarletSpiderI’m so glad! Thank you!!

[@orwell9579]

I also had the Vredestein Quatrac Pro in 21" on my MY16 Cayenne, a lot quieter than the Pirelli's and extremely comfortable. Anything other than extreme winter conditions (in which you better stay at home for that matter) the're excellent!

[@massimo7219]

Those are really good tires, very underrated

[@matthewcashatt1453]

Buying one this week. You're right about one thing, buying one (out of warranty) is pretty terrifying. Fingers crossed mine does as well as yours. Appreciate the videos on this model. Keep them coming.

[@davidwalker72]

It looks like the battery is really easy to get to if it does go bad. Probably not too different from swapping out a Prius battery just a bit bigger.

[@jaredfaidley8391]

I ran Vredestein Quatrac Pros on my 86 as my primary winter tire. I got lucky with a weak winter, but they were noticeably decent in snow/slush even with RWD. And they were GREAT on a 4700 mile road trip from Minnesota to CA and back in high plains snow and rain. We stopped at Bonneville too!

[@EverydayDriver]

Good to hear. Glad they worked well for you and bravo on putting good road trip miles on your 86!

[@smetljesm2276]

These kind of videos are gold to me right now. Thank you. I am thinking about these for a family car. We arent butting any big miles and EV mode even on this is adequate. The fear is that we never owned anything remotely this big, reputable ore luxurious 😅😅

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad this Cayenne series is helpful to you. Thank you for watching!

[@donhoover9900]

Thanks for the update and real world experience of owning a Porsche E-Hybrid.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Glad to hear there are no unexpected repairs!

[@devinbrown1502]

I decided to try the Quadtrac Pros on our 2021 Durango AWD. After 20k miles, my fronts are in good shape but the rears are completely shot. We're not really "hooning" since its mostly my pregnant wife on twisty backroads with kids. I'm going to reach out to Vredestein and see if there is a warranty. We had a few nasty storms up here in WI with 12+ plus inches at at time and the tires did phenomenal, just wish they'd last a bit longer. Great vid guys!

[@anthonycalvert6165]

Thanks for the explanation of all weather tires, I had not heard of them before and will definitely consider them next time I need tires for our SUV.

[@DoctorSoftie]

I bought a CPO cayenne diesel platinum because of you Todd ❤

[@alanwu6196]

Can't wait to see the off-road mods to the gen 1!

[@clubracer6]

Very cool and I think my favorite generation of Cayenne in terms of looks inside and out. The 957 is my favorite to drive. The resale hit will not be pleasant, but not many SUV’s bought during pricing madness will fair much better. Thanks for the update!

[@traknologist]

Amen, I love all the buttons!!!

[@cucamongaduke3600]

I’m considering one of these to replace our NX200t. Larger storage capacity and (incredibly) better MPG. I had a BMW 530e which was great - similar range for battery only and with a 26 mi commute to work (recharging at the office) I was getting about 64.4 MPG. In the BMW, the transition between the all electric and turbo 4 cylinder was seamless. Your review covered so many points that are on my mind - really appreciated it!

[@ChoPi-Eww]

I tried to convince my wife to get one to replace her old X5. We rented a Cayenne S in Colorado, but no luck, she went with a new X5 hybrid

[@cmdrgunslinger5955]

Don't feel bad Todd, I own 2 Busas 😂 A gen 1 & a gen 3. Living in Florida I have a Boxster for rainy days.

[@tonyoliver2330]

This may be a long shot, but have you found battery upgrades? There has to be a market for battery upgrades to get more mileage and/or performance

[@lucasbeven4941]

Thanks for the update

[@NeekBCoolin]

I've been patiently waiting for this update. Im currently in the market for a cayenne or panamera similar years to these

[@WayApp]

That's outstanding!

[@massimo7219]

With the Macan EV coming out and looking very impressive, I am excited to see what the Cayenne EV has to offer. Vredestein is the most underrated tires in my opinion. Great value for the price.

[@coocool67]

I get 25km max ev in summer on my 2015 cayenne. Forces me to hyper mileage, but it has a great soothing/relaxing effect on me, especially in city traffic.I love to be able to charge battery with the gas engine and have full range entering city center.

[@pa60pilot]

Thanks for sharing. I wanted one of these back in early 2022, but couldn't find a reasonable price on a used one. I ended up buying a new Audi e-tron, which we've enjoyed...despite it being a SUV. I don't miss the ICE experience, and I'm unlikely to ever buy another new ICE vehicle. We added a Porsche Taycan Turbo to our garage a year ago. Love that car, despite it having too many doors.

[@davidd7175]

Purchased a ‘13 GTS 3y ago, had just over 70k miles. I’m now at 101k. Upon purchase, changed the plugs, ignition coils, filters, and tires (Conti DWS, 21”). Since then, replaced the battery and starter. I also ended up replacing the thermostat housing as a precautionary measure, as mine was the design that’s known to fail (pipes glued on). The passenger rear door lock doesn’t work, which is common and interestingly this specific door. Otherwise no issues so far. I do like the truck, primarily for the na V8. At the same time, being the primary family vehicle used for trips etc, I cant help but be anxious that something will go wrong (first euro car I’ve owned). Considered trading it for a Lexus GX.

[@abrahamandsarahbook]

After your videos I bought a cpo 2020 base. Love the car and so does my wife. I’m a previous 2013 Wrangler driver so repairs and issues were common and frequent. But there definitely is a porsche tax😂. I’ve performed my regular maintenance but at 39k it’s be perfect so far. I get 28mph highway driving. Looking forward to your off-road build as I’ve considered buying another and doing the same. That’s one jeep aspect I do miss. Great videos. Thank you for producing material that “adults” enjoy watching. Im done with the sophomoric drama that others produce.

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad these Cayenne videos have been helpful to you, and congrats on your Cayenne. And a big thanks for connecting with our style and approach. Thrilled to have you watching!

[@robspages]

Consider a GTS or Turbo for your third Cayenne! In my 2016 GTS I can get ~ 21 mpg on the highway easily, even with some spirited driving. City plummets to 15 though.

[@Twraus]

I’ve driven on all weather tires in Park City and they are fine for blizzards and car park donuts

[@Sedole94]

Ran Vredestein Quatrac Pro here in CO on our Touareg. Great in the snow. We live at 6,500 ft and are up in the mountains chasing storms 30+ days a year. Never ran into a situation that I wished for more winter performance. Wore quickly in the warmer weather (as expected), but great tire. Honestly I'd say it was just as good as my LX570 on General Grabber Artic LT snow tires. Though the Lexus is a porky vehicle and it's hard to argue against physics. Our Q5 on Discoverer Snow Claws takes the cake though. It's stupid good in snow.

[@danielparisi6614]

have these tires on my wife's xc60, theyre fantastic

[@jrocxzs]

These can be had for under $25K and qualify for the Used EV tax credit.

[@omercarrothers7537]

Because of your channel I bought Nokian all-weather tires for my wife’s car. They’ve been fantastic and when it’s time to replace the tires on my VW, I’m getting the same tire. Oh, and we live in the Salt Lake Valley.

[@EverydayDriver]

Very pleased to hear you discovered and like all-weathers because of us. A great single tire option. So far we like the Vredesteins more than the Nokians. Thanks for watching!

[@sterlingchafey8425]

I drove a Fiat 500e once. Lost 3 miles of range on a freeway onramp.

[@davidwalker72]

And your point is? I'm sure the instant acceleration made you grin from ear to ear though.

[@Slow2Pro]

We have a ‘18 530e Xdrive with similar overall EV range. I find it amazing for the wife’s short commute and the random short trips to the store. It’s an awesome option for those not ready for an EV or someone like me where they don’t make one that ticks all my boxes in my price range.

[@morstyrannis1951]

I have the same car with 70K km on it. The electric only range never shows more than 22 km. When it’s fully depleted the app shows it sucks in 7kw, so the capacity is right. What electric range does your gauge indicate? My only serious gripe with the car is the small trunk volume. It’s far so small for travelling.

[@lester6166]

Feels like we need a second gen diesel review to round it out.

[@splice247]

I think the issue is, on tirerack they dont really list all weather per se, at least last time i looked. However they do have an option for "severe weather" i think, which gives you the tripple peak tires

[@KevinSamp911]

Vredestein Quatrac Pro+ or Continental Extreme Contact DWS06 Plus tires? It be for a Q5 in the Chicagoland area. We get it all weather wise. From days that are super hot to brutal cold/snow. I have experienced the DWS 06 Plus tires and usually a good go to for a good all around tire. I have been happy with them, but they just don't last very long. 3 years with roughly around 30,000 miles. I have never experienced anything from Vredestein. So any insight would be appreciated.

[@salemwow1431]

What are you using to get wireless CarPlay? So many of the adapters seem like trash

[@stevemartegani]

What do you use to sync up the audio from multiple video sources? I didn't expect that exterior shot of hitting the cattle guard to match the interior audio perfectly lol

[@corsa180]

If you edit in something like DaVinci Resolve, it will auto-sync all your clips' audio.

[@stevemartegani]

@corsa180 I use Racerender for my track videos with data overlays and syncing is a manual process... I'll look into DaVinci

[@dondiakow6364]

so if you pop a tire on this Cayenne what did you do? Does it come with run flats as it has no spare?

[@bshwayde]

I’ve got a ‘13 Diesel with 19” wheels which I think are a perfect size for the cayenne. However, it does seem like there are a few more tire options stepping up to the 20” oem wheel size. Go figure. My guess is the ride would be pretty harsh on those 21s without the air suspension. Mine is steel springs and a bit stiffly sprung but not punishing.

[@rickmeyer1872]

My diesel Cayenne gets 21-22 in town, and 35+ highway. I guess I’ll need the e hybrid when it gets 200,000 miles on the clock.

[@royalmotors]

Change your TC fluid!!! For some 958.2 models the TC is now unavailable

[@bensamonte7174]

For the Cayenne S e-hybrid, it uses the transfer case from the Touareg, which we used to own. Not the problematic TC on the regular 958.1 ,958.2, just a heads up

[@getdealtwithquick]

​@@bensamonte7174Super helpful to know.

[@whatchis1120]

I personally wouldn’t be to worried about the battery I mean it’s no worse than the older hybrid batter replacement cost on a car that was maybe 25-30k new. Our ‘17 Touareg is chugging along well also, it’s completely made me only want a Cayenne S or higher next with the air suspension as mine.

[@ianmcmillan1411]

These things are quite heavy, right? - I think that explains the wide tyres..

[@jacobfoster9185]

You don't need to replace the battery. I took mine out and the weight loss actually got me to better fuel mileage that with the battery.

[@joaquinlopez5851]

That's hilarious

[@cruzlopez4449]

It’s ok you own two Cayennes. I have two generations of Tacomas and a ND Miata 😂.

[@videowsatcher]

Fuel saved vs purchase cost vs battery replacement cost?

[@i679n5]

Depends on your driving habits. If you are doing less than 30 miles/drive you will get approximately 50% lower MPG. If you are doing 15 miles/drive you will be close to zero. So what is your yearly gas cost, are you driving short or long distance. My thoughts after owning multiple EVs: if I am mostly driving short trips - why even pay for the gas engine in the first place. If mostly driving long trips - why have the hassle of a system that can fail. But it is comfort or economy that leads you to the right decision. Hopefully not religious reasons.

[@Nissannx2000svg]

I’m considering to my Mom one. The way she drives she should get to and from work in all EV mode

[@nighthawk05]

I want to put those tires on my Mazda3 now that I live in Michigan

[@davideg5947]

Please test drive the updated BMW Z4 with a manual transmission!!!

[@EverydayDriver]

It’s on the list for this year. Thanks for the request!

[@davideg5947]

Thank You :) Love all the videos!!!

[@ggarrison1087]

the na v8 i have on my cayenne gts gets 22 mpg on hwy.

[@EverydayDriver]

Todd and family have gotten as high as 29 in Hwy only driving, but high altitude in town errands is this Cayennes life and has averaged 22 while the prior one got 16. Thanks for watching!

[@dman2509]

Only 14 miles of range on the battery? Why bother replacing it when it dies? I've owned a 2005 and 2011 Cayenne turbos. The weak point in both engines were the plastic coolant pipes that run across the top of the engine.

[@jacobfoster9185]

That's not too excessive..the average 12 month numbers are 15 - 20 thousand miles

[@jdcah9750]

I own three Cayennes

[@Trendyflute]

people saying it's the wrong one are divorced from the realities of energy efficiency, or gas prices. filling up an everyday car with mileage in the teens makes me want to dig my brain out of my ears with a soup spoon, sounds so miserable...battery reliability is excellent and that's been proven for a quarter century now, and the "it only gets X miles of range in EV only mode" always ignores how much farther they go on blended mode with that nice battery size. Plug-ins are pretty great, I wish manufacturers had put more emphasis on them in that ICE to EV transition.

[@user-ur9gj6ju5z]

new hybrid vs out of warranty non-hybrid, its a wash either lose massive equity or pay slightly more for fuel.

[@HandsomeAlex25]

Two Cayennes Two Loti

[@lptomtom]

22 MPG average is kinda terrible, what's even the point of the hybrid system if it's going to guzzle fuel like any other SUV ?

[@Trendyflute]

would probably get 16 without it, which means that fuel use per 1000 miles has decreased from 62.5 to 45.5, a saving of 17 gallons per 1000 miles. Compare that to hybridizing an economy car that might get 35 MPG as a non-hybrid and 50 as a hybrid, that's a decrease from 28.3 to 20 gallons per 1000 miles, a saving of 8.3 gallons per 1000 miles. The fuel economy of that hybrid economy car would have to go all the way from 35 to 90 MPG to save the same 17 gallons per 1000 miles that the Cayenne hybridization does. While this math does indicate that the real way to save fuel is to get smaller, less powerful vehicles with less frontal area, all things being equal in terms of size, weight, and performance, it actually makes the most sense to hybridize larger, heavier vehicles in terms of actual fuel savings. MPG is a bit of a false metric as opposed to gallons per mile.

[@EverydayDriver]

As Todd mentioned here and in prior films on this Cayenne 22 isn’t amazing. But the older prior Cayenne barely did 16, so it’s a 50% improvement! Thanks for watching!

[@WFO.]

Title should be “My Wife.”

[@sarahdell4042]

How does this channel see such small views now?

[@gideonsward]

So you go down hill to show us you get better then the estimated mileage?

[@EverydayDriver]

? - Seems like you didn’t watch much of this. A brief hill at the beginning to discuss regen, and then a section on the freeway at the end to show how fast that driving uses range. Thanks for the comment anyway.

[@jamesonpace726]

Yah, yah, das Germans der buildink gooten carz, vether yah likest dems er nine....

[@jacobfoster9185]

You gotta get some better wheels

[@CAVALRY19D]

Yak yak yak this an ad for Porche hybrids yak........ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[@nachomandetailingservices1057]

😂😂😂😂 hybrid’s