Everything Wrong With Ant Man and the Wasp Quantumania in 20 Minutes or Less

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Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania is definitely a movie. There's lots of colors. Bill Murray shows up briefly. But all I really remember are the sins.
Thursday: Spy sins.
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[@Firefighterkev]

The 100 sins for not including Luis is well deserved

[@silverhawk24]

It was probably for the best because they would probably pull some bullshit move on him being clumsy because Michael Pena is a comedian.

[@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse]

problem with Ant Man in 1 second: It's a movie about a guy who's "super powers" is to become really small. *mind blown*

[@The_John_Doe69]

It should have been more

[@summertyme5748]

@@CircumcisionIsChildAbuseActually he can change size of himself and anything else. That’s *not* the problem. The problem is that this film is badly directed and written.

[@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu]

Indeed

[@TheOfficialWonton]

This movie could have Luis show up in the van during the final fight without explaining it beyond quantum something or other and I would be fully on board. 100% missed having him in this one

[@tmac731]

Idek what you said. Luis shows up in the finals battle then what? How would Luis go to the quantum realm?

[@cosygoose1813]

How it should have ended?

[@Harleyyman]

@@tmac731 “without explaining it beyond quantum something”

[@tmac731]

@@Harleyyman that doesn’t make sense

[@tmac731]

@@R4QBUG I want Luis too. Marvel had 1 job

[@JstBcZe]

The ending literally had the entire theatre groaning. That portal opening up out of nowhere was clearly a tacked on scene, I'm convinced that the original cut of the film was a lot darker than what we got but Disney just couldn't handle the thought of Ant-Man losing in his own movie so they changed it all up. The con, however, is that Kang got defeated by Ant-Man of all people, who's gonna take Kang seriously when he starts getting hyped up prior to The Kang Dynasty now?

[@marcusstewart4141]

Agreed

[@jeffthornton6998]

It’s really silly if you’ve never read the comics. Kang has given the entire Avengers roster a go at the same time.

[@therealjibrano]

@@jeffthornton6998 jesus they messed up kang then. kang the conqueror was such a little bitch in the end

[@cedriceric9730]

You need to consider it carefully 😂 losing to antman means nothing to a guy who can try again and again infinitely I would rather fight a billion Thanos than such a person lol He also technically only lost ( temporarily) to hyper evolved ants

[@kieranhair37]

Do we really need people getting trapped in the quantum realm again, though? All that would mean is that the next Avengers movie would have to open with another rat.

[@TheWarmachine375]

MCU Kang: "I have conquered timelines and defeated many variants of Avengers!" Also MCU Kang: "OH MY GOD! THE ANTS! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE! HELP ME! GET THEM OFF!"

[@motherplayer]

ALSO Also MCU Kang: "Oh that's alright. He was just a fuck up who allegedly did a lot of wild stuff like kill a bunch of avengers or something. Just wait until you see a whole army of this same guy! Totally hype and not at all making you wonder what they could accomplish better than a fuck up who killed multiple iterations of Avengers could. How is this hype AND underwhelming at the same time? It's Quantum, I tell you!"

[@superpow3755]

Well kang was in the quantum realm and Nita full strength and those ants were high strong smart and evolved ants

[@supesisfodder7427]

Kang is weak

[@cedriceric9730]

​@@supesisfodder7427😂 no he's not , hes told you hes human but you dont listen

[@supesisfodder7427]

Kang is weak Fodder ants > kang

[@robertdascoli949]

I can't believe you glossed over the fact that Kang got the power source, the thing he's been looking for for the last 30 years, the one thing he needed to leave this place and take over literally the entirety of reality. What does he do when he gets it? Puts it in his ship and leaves? Nope! He waits several hours for absolutely no reason, just enough time for the rebellion to come and foil his plans.

[@summertyme5748]

The writer of this film is just an absolute moron. He's a non diversity hire. lol.

[@goldfishprime]

He apparently wanted to take his army with him back to where ever he was going. Not sure why, since they were the weaker than the rebels.

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

The fact you didn't sin the impossibility of both Cassie having access to or understanding any of Hank's notes or anything on the quantum realm in 5 years is absurd. Worth at least 5 sins

[@Just4Fun-Zocker]

You haven't seen many movies in the last 5 or so years, right? She's a "modern strong female character", they know everything, they can do everything, they don't have any flaws, they are perfection just because they are female.

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

@@Just4Fun-Zocker but he still didn't sin it which is his job. And at this point it's a cliche so an extra sin

[@aceproductions43]

@@Just4Fun-Zocker Disney live-action remakes in a nutshell

[@enishi4ty5]

while mary sue is a fair argument, i think it’s fair to assume the people in mcu are generally more advanced, especially those who have close access to superheroes. its not 100% certain but you can believe an athletes kid being better than the avg person due to growing up in close proximity to such a person

[@michaelchambers6180]

@@enishi4ty5 I dont think that quantum physics is the same thing as proper for on shooting a basketball. besides ant man is the notorious idiot of the bunch no?

[@EzraHendler]

At 18:37 I actually thought Scott and Cassie were 2 normal-sized people screaming about being huge for no reason. Good job Marvel.

[@3dpprofessor]

This is the thing that bugged me about that: They're aren't large or even normal sized. This whole place takes place in the microscopic quantum realm. They're still tiny, they're just slightly less tiny at this point. So why does being slightly less tiny have the same side effects as being oversized? This is a fundamental basis of the whole movie and it makes no sense to me.

[@bonzopippinpaddleopsicopolis]

@@3dpprofessor exactly, the original movie showed that Scott becoming too small would send him to the quantum realm, so why can't they expand to normal size again?

[@SsbPrime]

@@3dpprofessor Technically, they're in another dimension. They aren't super tiny, they had to get super tiny to get to the dimension

[@Mrmilkman-yb3ql]

I loved the part where kang the conqueror had 500 million power in rise of kingdoms by using the Egyptian civilisation, truly a moment of all time

[@daylen4972]

made me lol

[@User-34526]

It’s funny because he really did used the Egytian civilization to become very power full

[@Ryan-ke5uq]

That mid-movie fight scene where Scott and Cassie run through the battlefield instead of becoming large to save everybody bothered me a ton. Super heroes forgetting to use their powers for 90% of these movies seems to be the only way they can go on for 2-3 hours. Also, Janet leaving everybody in the dark until the very last second was so infuriating. Was she always this awful, or was it the decades she was trapped in the quantum verse that made her that way?

[@cfri9332]

They don't respect the power and role of a villain. The villain should force the hero to do everything they can. And the villain should ensure that it's not enough.

[@thefriesofLockeLamora]

Janet not explaining until the last minute was a way for the writers to create suspense. But we weren't curious. We were impatient

[@summertyme5748]

@@thefriesofLockeLamora You don't create suspense by making your characters stupid. That's the very defintion of lazy writing.

[@summertyme5748]

_The villain should force the hero to do everything they can. And the villain should ensure that it's not enough._ _You could not accept your own failure....where did that lead you....back to me._ Post Thanos Marvel and for that matter Star Wars, DC, and even Avatar keep trying to 'top' or beat Thanos, but they fail miserably because none of those franchises respect the basics of character development, or narrative logic.

[@summertyme5748]

_Super heroes forgetting to use their powers_ Why this mistake happens and will keep happening. Writers think the powers are cool and what people want to see. They make the characters too powerful. Then the powers solve the problems. This makes the character boring regardless of how powerful they are. Then the characters just fail to use their powers - until - time for film to be over. Superman is the ultimate example of this.

[@ironicanimations]

20:30 honestly I 100% agree Like, it looked like they were trapped and it was gonna end there, but the portal comes up and Scott didn’t even look and said “let’s go home” like he is in a trance But the idea that this might’ve been a trick somehow and they are still trapped, but in a hallucination, would be so freaking savage Also cuz Scott is questioning himself at the end, he feels off because everyone survived That would be dark if he was trapped in a hallucinogenic chamber somehow, idk

[@comfortzone9998]

@@BackwoodInc.i dont even doubt it bro, wish i could help u out this film had so much potential but was executed poorly.

[@triple-d2640]

God damn you just pissed me off because that would have been perfect!

[@aceproductions43]

there are theories that this scene was tacted on late in production so that checks out

[@lumariadp]

the script as it was written had them end up trapped, but they did reshoots a month before the movie came out where they shot the restaurant/ending scenes & they got rescued.

[@rotion3]

My first time watching, i thought Hope and Scott went back to their universe at the end, but that Kang's death somehow changed their history, hence they're actually in a parallel universe. Thats what i THOUGHT they were alluding to after Ruben made Scott pay, that one lady was carrying her dog in a stroller, and how "off" that ending felt. There really wasn't anything that'll affect the MCU going forward in this film other than setting up the Quantum Realm and that Cassie has a suit. Them being stuck in the quantum realm would've at least been a better ending

[@JoeFanik]

A few sins I would add: - Hank being perfectly fine with giving a teenager a super suit knowing full well the dangers of it. - Cassie being an asshole to Scott about retiring from being a hero and choosing to simply live a peaceful life. Just because something isn’t world changing doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. - Janet not mentioning ANYTHING about the QR and then wonders why nobody went to her about it. - Janet not wanting to mess with the QR despite them having Scott go in at the end of last movie. - Kang not just force stealing the core against Janet like he did again Scott. - Why didn’t Kang just keep firing his lasers at everyone? They erased people instantly. - Why the f### did everyone keep taking their helmets off at every possible moment? In a real battle scene you’d take your headgear off

[@kieranhair37]

I think I read somewhere that a lot of MCU actors have it in their contracts that you have to be able to see their face for a certain percentage of the movie. The storytelling argument is that it's easier to emote without a mask on, but I feel like the Spider-Verse movies managed to have several emotional moments with characters whose faces were covered, so that's BS.

[@hersheysbar28]

​@@kieranhair37In all fairness now, Spiderverse was animated, so there it was a lot easier to illustrate their expressiveness even through their masks than would've been possible in live-action.

[@Power5]

@@kieranhair37 probably why they had to create the nano suit BS for every single character. Taking helmets off in shooting would add so many takes to get it right they just said, screw it, do it in VFX and they can have helmets and suits taken off whenever we feel like it.

[@kieranhair37]

@@hersheysbar28 No, and I saw that they did that. They change their eyes to show when they're reacting, the same way they do in Deadpool or in Homecoming when he had the camera eyes. But...that works. Yeah, it's harder with Ant-Man. But didn't several decades' worth of Halloween fans stan the killer because of the way he tilted his head? You can portray thought and emotion with slight movements. It just takes more creativity.

[@hersheysbar28]

@@kieranhair37 I mean, you're right, but my point wasn't that it wasn't possible, just that it was easier in an animated medium - to say nothing of the fact that it would indeed be harder to pull off with Ant-Man than Deadpool or any of the spider people due to ow his helmet lacks any actual eyeholes. Even Chris Evans has gone on record saying that he had to exaggerate his expressions in order to properly convey them through his mask, and his didn't obscure nearly as much of his face as Ant-Man's does. Bear in mind that your original reply claimed that it was 'BS' that it was easier to emote without a mask on, then compared this film to an animated movie that was a fair bit more advantaged in your department. No one ever said that you couldn't emote at all with a mask on, and that wasn't the claim you addressed. The claim you addressed actually still holds up.

[@jodinsan]

The entire basis for _Endgame_ is that Scott was trapped in the Quantum Realm for like 5 hours and five years passed in our world. *_How long were they trapped in the Quantum Realm and why hasn't several years passed?_* Bonus question: Why did they get there by shrinking but were able to return by a freaking portal? Did the portal transition un-shrink them? Or are they on Earth as their "shrunken" versions? What would that mean if the Pym Particles just, wore off? This movie's screenplay was written by ChatGPT wasn't it?

[@SgtSupaman]

The time difference is like Narnia; it doesn't run consistently between worlds. If it did, 5 hours being 5 years would've meant that Janet wouldn't be anywhere near as old as she is. Those 30 years she was gone would have just been a little more than a single day to her.

[@NuminorTheFool]

That was explained at the end of Antman and The Wasp. Scott got stuck in a Time Vortex while he was down there. Janet confirms that they do exist in the Quantum Realm and need to be avoided at all costs. Scott just unluckily hit one.

[@miaya3898]

Kang tech makes you jump to whatever time.

[@jaydavis9717]

What baffles me is that on this channel they have said many times that their sins are for jokes, but people still make entire channels to dispute what sins he makes on movies. Props to cinemasins for having haters, but said haters are kinda lame.

[@superpow3755]

Actually that’s a lie they soar there not satire and Jeremy admired that’s a lot of the stuff on this channel he believes

[@jaydavis9717]

@@superpow3755 how is it a lie when he himself has said it plenty of times?

[@superpow3755]

@@jaydavis9717 he said he’s not satire multiple times

[@jaydavis9717]

@@superpow3755 he has said on more than one occasion that his videos shouldn't be taken as a serious movie critique. He parodies nitpicky movie critics and tho he does make valid critiques of a movie he throws in just as many nonsensical ones to get the sin counter started. Getting pissy over how cinemasins rates movies is letting the joke go way over your head.

[@superpow3755]

@@jaydavis9717 and he admitted that’s most of the things are true like the logo sins

[@sessasidney]

The mask originally contained normal sized oxygen molecules compared to the user because when the user changed size he wouldn't be able to breath cause the molecules would be too big or too small for the lungs. BUT that "rule" was broken in like 5min after it was said in the first movie. Also by their rules it should be impossible to be smaller than an atom, but alas...

[@flood256]

huh, i though in the first movie they explaned it having something to do with shrinking without a proper helmet effecting brain chemistry (something about the helmet making sure everything shrunk at the same rate) and with out it size shifting could drive you crazy (hence yellow jacket going more and more bat shit throughout the finally)

[@sessasidney]

@@flood256TBH I don't remember that and I won't rewatch it to confirm... Hahaha... I will take your word for it

[@paulsardinasify]

You are going by the assumption that Hank Pym was being honest with his explanation. That was the Honey I shrunk the Kids explanation. The comics explanation is mass is being shunted through dimensions. Just like a 2d object can’t relate to 3d, mass shunted to the 4th or even 5th dimension would not exist to the perspective of people of the 3rd dimension. So that things can shrink smaller than atoms and grow large enough to see the universe as Eternity.

[@TheWarmachine375]

They always open and close their helmets just to show off their faces on screen.

[@x0gucx]

out of every single thing they decided to re hash, they didn't explain why the big "heart breaking" moment matters. Iron man introduced his villain killing method in his first successful flight in his movie

[@klimmr]

10:37 Only the Wasp suit can fly. The Ant-Man suit needs flying ants which neither of them currently have.

[@elibrown72]

Yes your right. The question is why didn’t they add wings to all the suits? Seems pretty useful

[@kieranhair37]

@@elibrown72 They also didn't add Wasp's stinger power to all the suits. It's almost like Marvel just wants to differentiate their superheroes or something.

[@melindaconolly9260]

The sarcasm is strong with this one.

[@Lilbknows]

If it came out 2 minutes ago (as of right now) how did u comment 5 hours ago

[@mixedmonkey420]

something ain't right here..🫤

[@jaquanpowell4605]

@@Lilbknowspaid a subscription fee

[@josephsalmonte4995]

When will you Americans learn what sarcasm means?

[@melindaconolly9260]

@@josephsalmonte4995 "Sarcasm refers to the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say, especially in order to insult someone, or to show irritation, or just to be funny"

[@demonac]

19:04 how did you cover this scene and not mention how Kang runs out of (or chooses not to use) instant disintegration beams as soon as it was time for fight the protags. Because anything those beams hit was 'removed from the game' instantly. Yet he hits the non-literal ant-people all kinds of times. If he used the instant kill beams for any of those times, he could have disintegrated some run-time off the end of this film

[@TheStegosaurus_]

Was thinking the same thing when i watched the movie. The random guys get disintegrated but the protagonists dont even get a scratch on their suits

[@jodinsan]

Also stupid how Scott and crew could embiggen themselves _before_ the fight with Kang, but _during_ the fight they had to be the same size as him instead of, I don't know.... maybe stepping on him a lot? This movie had zero tension.

[@Sweet00thtkc]

Um, the word you were looking for is "exiled." 😉We stopped using "removed from the game" after 10th, I believe.

[@rzim0dnar]

@@jodinsan This is the Ant-Man series, where they become more powerful by getting small. If they tried to do something like step on Kang, forcing him to dodge is the best case scenario. More realistic is they're a bigger, slower target who cannot fully prevent Kang from escaping or avoid counterattacks. But it was also shown that Kang can still manage to hit them while they are small, so they can't just fully shrink and try to sneak up on him.

[@Officialencode]

@@Sweet00thtkc nice

[@ItsJustRyansChannel]

It took sooooooo long for mommy to explain what happened to her when she was down there in the quantum realm that I almost gave up on the movie. There are like 3-4 separate scenes in the first quarter of the movie where people ask her "what happened down there?" and she's just like, "it's a long story..." Or "I'll tell you later." I literally felt like CinemaSins as I was watching this. Counting the sins in my head. Ugh.

[@SusanBanyai]

Another sin: Cassie's little data transmission device has been sending signals to quantum realm for years, but decides to finally break the exact moment when they show it to Grannie Janet

[@summertyme5748]

Supposedly this is motivated cuz she wanted to save Scott, but Scott's name was on the wall for the Snap victims and he was shown at Avengers compound to be a snap victim- so Cassie thought he was dead. She isn't studying Quantum Physics, no way, sorry, writer is just lazy.

[@superpow3755]

Actually no they not true that’s a lie she said that’s she only recently created it after endgame and the reason it take them in the quantum realm is because in the movie Modoc pulls them in

[@linnoff]

My single biggest issue with this movie is the portal at the end. Like it was actually a kind of interesting cliffhanger but they decided to open the undo portal instead.

[@magnabeast88]

That was the portal that Cassie invented to find and locate someone in the quantum realm

[@linnoff]

@@magnabeast88 Which was broken, why it closed initially, but she fixed it in like 10 seconds.

[@summertyme5748]

@@magnabeast88 Cassie's magic portal invention is even more ridiculous than Peter Parker's cure for evil for *every* villain in No Way Home. lol. It's reached the point where writers like Loveness are going: Hey that other guys film was stupid too, so....

[@x0gucx]

having him be stuck again and having an end credit scene be him and hope getting out because of Cassey during something like Kang Dynasty repeating A&tW - Endgame would've been cool. it would've still validated Cassey's work being able to save them in only a few years or months instead of 5 and given her a story where she has to learn to be a hero only having Hank and Janet like her Dad only having Hope and Hank.

[@riceballs8461]

I'm not a huge cinemasins fan BUT "I don't think this is a sun"... "GENDER REVEAL PARTIES!" actually made me laugh pretty hard

[@namaskaracharya3782]

13:45 Kang needs Scott to get the engine core because if he went himself into the probability field then then there would be infinite versions of him created there, and that's something Kang is afraid of (himself, or other versions of himself to be exact) because it was his variants only who trapped him in the quantum realm in the first place.

[@CheeryRhymes]

That doesn't make sense... The other variants are similar to him but they are not literally him. They've all had completely distinct and different lives no matter how similar those lives have been. The ones in the probability field are literally him but based on his possible actions and thoughts. Also he couldn't shrink down to that size before Scott arrived and he was unfamiliar with the technology. It makes much more sense to send in somebody that is an expert with using the technology and is expendable.

[@dampnoodle]

​@CheeryRhymes But!!! what happened when antman went in their infinite antman!

[@CheeryRhymes]

@@dampnoodle and?

[@dampnoodle]

@CheeryRhymes same goes for Kane... that's why antman was alone 😮‍💨. But as he said Kane is scared of his counterparts because he was sent there by his counterpart. A different version of himself SENT HIM there before he even went to quantum level.😱

[@supesisfodder7427]

@@CheeryRhymesno

[@alluviumeugene]

You should have used the "What is this? A center for ants?" (Zoolander) I was so waiting for that!

[@Sabbalab92]

20:20 I feel like they could have saved the part about Cassie saving them immediately if there was a line where Scott went "Wow, you were able to save us pretty easily." and then Cassie goes "IT'S BEEN 3 MONTHS!" They didn't really go into the time dilation of the Quantume Realm much. They should have. And I couldn't agree more about No Luis. That was bullshit. A small cameo at the beginning or end was all I needed and they DIDN'T DO IT!

[@x0gucx]

Even having it be an end credit scene to show that they came out in the middle of a kang attack would've been cool with casey having to pick up the slack and scott saying something like, "AGAIN, THE QUANTUM REALM SUCKS" repeating what happened in endgame.

[@kingovharts]

There is no time difference in the QR unless you get sucked into the time vortex which is what happen to Scott. Thats what Janet warned him about. Her 30 years was actually 30 years real time down there.

[@FTWDanzig]

My headcannon for why Scott needed to get the core and doesn't get crushed under his alternate selves is that he's just not that creative. There's a large but finite number of paths he could take there, but it's not infinite because he's only got a few go-to ideas.

[@kieranhair37]

This is actually a sensible headcanon. Although it also makes it twice as funny because it means one of his few go-to ideas is "screw this, I should just go back to Baskin Robbins."

[@Sarahonwheels]

Damn , I took Mr. Electric from Sharkboy and Lavagirl for granted.

[@Trickbot7000]

Of all movies. This one EARNED a cinemasin

[@Trickbot7000]

Context: I love and defend Antman as well as Antman & the Wasp. Idk what happened with QuANTuMANia

[@sarov7658]

@@Trickbot7000 I don't defend any MCU shi these days tbh and continued that after nwh I even defended the shitshow that is eternals

[@ThePretender25]

"Not dreaming hard enough" is probably one of my favorite sins ever

[@williamhess180]

kind of good point about why Kang didn't just take a suit and do it himself. I suppose he was afraid of the variants he would create in the probability storm. I know they aren't actually variants but since he basically in a war with himself I could see why he wouldn't want more.

[@Shaznit]

Hell you'd think Modok would be able to build him a suit given he's had experience with it! There's legit NO REASON he should have needed anyone else!

[@superpow3755]

@@Shaznitwith what recourses they have no pym particles and no one of the recourses

[@Shuizid]

Counterpoint: Why did he think someone else wouldn't have the same issue? Bonus counterpoint: just make a robot. Dude has technology beyond what they can dream of, but appearently cannot create a robot to pick up an ball.

[@williamhess180]

@@Shuizid good point. I think in his mind no one else matters or maybe no one else is a threat other than his variants, but I am just spit balling. Maybe they will tell us at some point.

[@kieranhair37]

@@Shuizid It honestly makes him a better villain if he does assume someone else might have the same issue. It's a gamble either way. But if you have to gamble with your own life or someone else's, the choice isn't hard.

[@thefriesofLockeLamora]

This may be the first MCU film I struggled to finish. And I sat through Love and Thunder. Maybe Ant Man should have been a standalone

[@ELeeHamm]

You deserve an award for sitting through that hot mess. 🏆

[@jimb.7523]

Yeah. This movie was a big oof in my book.

[@slayer-scythe8159]

the fact that this one is the one u struggled to finish and not thor 1 & 2, iron man 2 & 3, or incredible hulk is insane…this movie is leagues above half of phase 1

[@aidansheldrick3]

I think Love and Thunder had a better sub plot with Jane being sick, even if the main arc was Trash.

[@thefriesofLockeLamora]

​@@ELeeHamm🥺 I'd like to thank the academy and my parents for this great honour

[@shmikex]

Luis could have easily been added in as a mid credits or after credits scene. He doesn't need to be in the Quantumrealm to exist in this move.

[@matthewherndon6488]

5:41 "Sh*t's never been less real in the MCU." - A summary of this movie.

[@superpow3755]

That not true

[@NikhilTanna15]

12:51 THAT was my biggest problem with the Kang in this movie.. He certainly looked like the big baddie but they made him lose to… Antman

[@bgood8299]

It could have been worse. He could have lost to Squirrel Girl.

[@kieranhair37]

@@bgood8299 Idk about Kang, but I know Thanos has lost to Squirrel Girl before. Honestly, the MCU's so off the rails at this point that there's probably never been a better time to introduce her.

[@bgood8299]

@@kieranhair37 Yeah, that's a good point. They may as well give us the Great Lakes Avengers at this point.

[@Murph_gaming]

He's only one variant of Kang, right? So either there's an even worse version out there or he'll somehow manage to come back.

[@NikhilTanna15]

@@Murph_gaming I am saying a conqueror deserved better script treatment..

[@tskmaster3837]

I love this movie as it's sadly accurate to those original "Tales to Astonish" Ant-man comics from the 60s. No reoccurring cast, no meaningful stakes, fighting a 6 foot tall telepathic beetle one issue, sent to an alternate dimension by a hand waving alien... by an alien's handwave?... the next. Oh yeah, I probably should mention that series failed and never became an Ant-man solo title. "Tales to Astonish!" Yeah, this is what Darren Cross was warning you about in the first Ant-man movie.

[@x0gucx]

tbh, it totally missed the mark on adaptation. tales to astonish was mostly episodic like most comic runs but mcu is linear even for a set up to kang.

[@Xer042]

"Har-dee-har", indeed...

[@phoenixdzk]

Just realised that between the messenger in Dark Knight, the coroner in Gotham, Polka Dot man in Suicide Squad & 2 characters across all 3 Ant man movies, David Dasmalchian may have been the only person to play multiple characters in both the MCU & the DC live action films

[@newsrapper]

He is. It's what most people know him for

[@dragonusa]

As they srunk down to sub-microscope size to enter the quantum realm, she would have only been "Huge" relative to her current surroundings while in actually she is only less small...

[@Officialencode]

so she shouldn't have gotten MORE hungry or ditzy like in the prior antman movies because she was still below microscopic

[@3dpprofessor]

Thank you. This is the fundamental basis for the whole movie, and it makes no sense to me. I'mma copy and paste what I said elsewhere here for visibility: This whole thing takes place on a world found between the components of a single atom, right. But then how is it the exact same atom that Janet was stranded on? Even if you find the same spec of dust she was on, there's still hundreds of millions of atoms there to choose from. And how did Darren get shrunk onto the same atom, too? Apologists might say, "Well, it's not really happening on one atom, but when you go quantum it opens a gateway into another world, and there's only one quantum realm regardless of which atom you enter at". Okay. They didn't explain that in the movie, but that's fine, I'll accept your retconned answer. But then it's still a question of scale, right? They shrunk super down to get here, but how did they stop shrinking at the same size that Janet was before? How did they not just blow right past the right scale, or not go far enough, crushing her quantum realm under their microscopic-but-not-microscopic-enough feet? And how did the ants just happen to land on the same relative scale? Like, once you go quantum does the quantum loop around on itself and if you go quantum in the quantum you'd end up back in the same quantum realm? The move doesn't explain this either. Also, since they're all just really small, doesn't that mean all the embiggining is just them being a little less small? But they're still microscopic, so why would embiggining on this scale have the same strange effects that embiggining on Earth scale? Wouldn't it make more sense that being this small would have some kind of strange effects and embiggining on this scale would lessen those effects? But, no. Limes.

[@SsbPrime]

@@3dpprofessor They're simply in another dimension, as you said. They had to get subatomic to enter the "door" to the QR. But once they're there, they abide by the physics of that realm.

[@jeromevaleska2014]

Fun fact: It was actually Peyton Reed’s decision for Quantumania to set up The Kang Dynasty. He was tired of making the small scale movies that serve as little more than a breather between the projects that matter, so he went to Kevin Feige and told him that he wanted to do an Avengers level film and he wanted a big villain, and Feige gave him Kang.

[@paulsardinasify]

So basically, Peyton Reed talked himself out of a job. I never understood why when Edgar Wright left Joe Johnson was not called right away. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids and Captain America the First Avenger should have netted him the job in a second.

[@kieranhair37]

This says more about Feige than it does about Reed. I feel like if he tried that during the Infinity Saga, Feige would've been like "No, we have a plan for this villain's reveal." There are no plans anymore.

[@rishadahmed3969]

I love the scene where all the Scott’s team up to save Cassie cause it shows that no matter what choice he makes it always priorities his daughter

[@dogk2121]

Except Luis

[@vulcancent774]

That’s literally the only good scene in this movie 😭💀💀

[@bonzopippinpaddleopsicopolis]

and after cassie acted so pretentious because she shrunk an on-duty officer's car to PROTEST homeless people, meanwhile Scott literally saved THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE

[@nateroseman]

"We're so huge!!!!" Um, aren't they in the Quantum Realm where everything is super tiny?

[@themusicactor]

OMG that John Carter jab hit HARRRRDDDDD!!! Like Damn!! 😂💔

[@Myles-YT]

It's established in the first Ant-Man that Scott could leave the quantum realm by simply growing in size. Which means all of the characters with suits (Scott, Cassie, Hope, etc.) could leave the quantum realm at any time during Ant-Man 3. Basically the movie did not need to happen. One might argue, Hank and Janet might have gotten trapped, but the end scene with Cassie immediately finding and rescuing Hope and Scott completely retcons any stakes.

[@seancopeland1037]

Well nah, it’s different because he entered the quantum realm outside of his own volition, without the use of pun particles, so pun particles couldn’t get him out I think

[@aidansheldrick3]

​@seancopeland1037 makes as much sense as anything else. But then Janet got stuck coz she shrunk to get in the missile in Antman 1. As she had "go big particles", shouldn't she have been able to get out?

[@Myles-YT]

@@aidansheldrick3 the shrink/grow gadgets, Hank invented, were used in the climax of the first Ant-Man movie to allow Scott to leave the quantum realm. Hank is shown to have more shrink/grow gadgets during the bar scene of Ant-Man: Quantumania...

[@Myles-YT]

@@seancopeland1037 entering the quantum realm is like looking into a microscope. If MODOK had stolen their suits and captured them right away the plot would make more sense.

[@summertyme5748]

They are trapped no matter how they try to retcon. Remember Michelle Pfeiffer "blew up" or made the Majors 'core' big. lol. Okay then she had Pym particles - but - she still couldn't escape. Also Majors never understands the particles or takes them from them [they keep using their particles to fight him] - because the film forgets he's a time traveling genius from the future with tech far beyond 20th century tech.

[@geardog24]

Marvel writers: Kang is going to be the next Thanos level threat. Also Marvel writers: What if we made M.O.D.O.K a giant smiley face. 😃

[@slayer-scythe8159]

marvel fans when the movies are accurate to the comics: 🤬

[@shuttittuppitt9355]

MO-DORK looks EXACTLY like Howie Mandel.

[@kevinreilly4611]

Cinema Sin Sin: technically this movie was a flop and a loss for Disney. With a 200 million budget and between 75-100 million for marketing it needed roughly 550-600 million to break even. Box office take was a little shy of 500 million. We've now reached the point where MCU doesn't mean automatic profit.

[@caroloonfloon]

and thank God for that.

[@joeguarinoni8923]

500 million for this shit-ass movie is still a lot

[@shuttittuppitt9355]

According to YOUR math, it would've "broke even" at $275 - $300 million. Anything after that is PROFIT (NOT to be confused with revenue). Your math stinks.

[@kevinreilly4611]

@@shuttittuppitt9355 Movie theaters take a cut of all ticket sales. A buddy of mine who works in the field helped break it down for 3 regions and this is basically what they make (very simplified): In the America's the studio makes 48 cents for every box office dollar. In Eruope they make 52 cents for every dollar. And China it's .35/.36 (can't remember exact number) for every dollar. Obviously there's other things that might get taken out for deals with either investors or anyone that worked on the film so your break even point may vary.

[@saghislaine1728]

I am curious. Did anyone count how many times Cassie yelled/said “dad”, because that was the thing which started to annoy me at one point.

[@silverhawk24]

Classic "daughter won't stfu for 2 seconds". Rachel from world of the wars still holds the place for most irritating daughter. But that movie was actually good

[@robertbeste]

Cassie and Scott: You're huge! I'm huge! We're huge! No... you're not. You're still so small you literally fit between the space of atoms (yet somehow still breath). Which once again makes me wonder... if Scott could just grow out of the quantum realm in the first movie, why can they not do that here?

[@Whyiseveryhandletaken6942]

The size of where this movie takes place(in the rising action & climax)is equivalent to how much I love it

[@mathieuleader8601]

I think it would have been good if a film installment of Antman & The Wasp was a fantastic voyage styled adventure

[@klimmr]

If Ant-Man did a crossover with Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3, he could shrink down, go inside Rocket's body and detach the kill switch from his heart.

[@mathieuleader8601]

@@klimmr that would have been so cool

[@agentofshield3000]

The post end-credits scene was by far my favorite part of this movie. Five words. Loki. In. A. Top. Hat.

[@gradygal81]

Love Loki!

[@agentofshield3000]

@@gradygal81 That's my motto. "Live, laugh, and love Loki"

[@BischyTube]

I legit squealed when I saw Loki at the end of the movie. It was far the best thing that came out of it. That and the Ants.

[@GMDcosmic]

How is someone here 4 hours 45 minutes when it’s been out for 21 but I’m pretty early.

[@Ottersanity]

I actually wanted Scott and Hope to stay back in the Quantum Realm. It would of made the sacrifices actually worth it.

[@kieranhair37]

Then they would have had to bring that rat back for the next Avengers movie, at which point it should basically just get a spot on the team.

[@jimmygee9189]

I think there must have been a translation error in the scriptwriting process where one writer said the core was exploded and another writer thought they meant like when you explode a blueprint.

[@matthewtesh206]

I'm surprised no sin was mentioned when Cassie escaped the 2 drones by enlarging one and shrinking the other and escaping the 4 coming down the hall. The other 4 drones should have either ran into the feet of the enlarged one and realized that their captive had escaped and alarms sounded

[@carsonmalleet4367]

This movie gets the reward for the first MCU movie I genuinely didn’t like. I’m really easy to please too, I enjoy a lot of movies that are critically and socially panned.

[@MrSSJ3VEGITO]

I literally just finished watching this movie 30 minutes ago, I find that kinda crazy😂

[@morganbeck402]

I find it very fitting that the third Ant Man movie somehow has even less effort put into it than the last two, and that's saying something.

[@summertyme5748]

Without Luis, it also has no charm. Inexcusable.

[@d00mbr07]

Hey chief, imma need you to sin either/both Eight Legged Freaks and Titan A.E.

[@Whyiseveryhandletaken6942]

How did you type this 13 hours before the video was invented

[@jen02jam2]

​@@Whyiseveryhandletaken6942🤣

[@TheWarmachine375]

Army of Scott Langs: "All For One and One For All!"

[@doctor-malcolm]

A sin I’m surprised Jeremy didn’t mention: Kang needs Pym Particles to fix his machine and escape…but his second-in-command already recreated the formula in the first movie, so why can’t MODOK just more for him? They never address this!

[@EmperorScrat]

This movie deserved the extra 100 sins for not including Luis.

[@JMillion]

If Scott was trapped in the Quantum-Verse for 5 Earth years while Thanos eliminated half of all life in the Universe, Why didn't Kang scoop him up as soon as he got there.

[@silverhawk24]

Who tf knows 😂

[@robertbeste]

This movie has more holes in it than Scott may or may not have in his body.

[@FrancistheBrave]

@@robertbeste lmaoooooo

[@dragonusa]

It was five years in our reality, but it is explained in endgame that time flows differently in the quantum real and only five minutes passed for him. That is what lead to the idea of the time heist and entire setup for the film.

[@silverhawk24]

@@robertbeste Lmao

[@xd-vk2yz]

I can't believe you didn't remove a sin for "My name is Darren and i am not a diiiiii-". Truly one of the redemptions of all time

[@christianvennemann9008]

I've been anticipating this critique. This movie was meh, in my opinion. It was only saved by Paul Rudd and Jonathan Majors carrying the whole movie on their backs

[@silverhawk24]

Deadass my thoughts

[@FreeKromer]

Quite literally, seeing Jonathan Majors as Kang was the main and possibly ONLY reason I tuned into this film

[@lumariadp]

The original script ending DID have them trapped and would've made the movie infinitely better, as well as making the 'we both have to lose' line MEAN something. They completely undercut that line by having them saved right away. I have to assume it was Feige interference due to upcoming shows/movies because otherwise, what was the point?

[@kieranhair37]

They were kind of trapped between a rock and a hard place the moment they came up with that ending. Do we have them escape immediately, which is stupid? Or do we have two Avengers movies in a row start with Scott coming back from the quantum realm, which is also stupid?

[@IsaacxCasanova]

I haven’t watched this movie at all I waited for this video patiently Thank you for this 😂

[@LoverOfBellies]

It doesn't make sense how they ended up so far apart in the Quantum Realm, how Cassie ended up ahead of her dad when they got abducted, a convenient that the ooze translates speech & that it's everywhere for people to drink, what sense the multiple Scott bit made, how cool Hope was with Scott reassembling the core, the walking into Lang's throne room bit, how much they know about "up there" from the Quantum Realm, a cop out that MODOK turns good, how Kang managed to turn up at the end after getting taken away by the ants & they got saved so quickly after getting stranded

[@donm5354]

WORST SIN of all? Didnt even break even because of Production+Promotion+Theater Cut+overseas taxes. WickedPedia: "Despite grossing around $476 million worldwide, it underperformed at the box office, becoming one of the few films in the MCU not to break even in its theatrical run.[6]"

[@OneColdMonkey]

Has Scott displayed any love of puns? All the names he gives the ants are puns!

[@someguywithaphone5921]

Darren is basically Krang from TMNT. A Kang, A Krang, and a Quantum Pizza Joint?

[@ed_Skynight]

Imagine, this movie could’ve been just a bit more incredible if they kept MODOK’s Robo mask as his actual face.

[@nahhhhhhhh.]

His human face was good Wdym

[@kieranhair37]

When MODOK was first announced, the robo mask was the thing people hated most about his design. There is no version of a live-action MODOK that won't look stupid. That's just something Marvel had to accept the moment they decided to use the character.

[@ed_Skynight]

@@nahhhhhhhh. Dude that face looked like George Lopez in Sharkboy and Lava girl.

[@faultforever7673]

As soon as I saw this in the theaters I was waiting for this!

[@ryansalter2325]

A sin for not including "You sure can hydrate a pizza" from Back to the Future Part II in the audio outtakes.

[@thomasleonardis711]

You sinned the line where they talk about hope using pym particles to feed the hungry. And then sinned them while asking why aren’t they feeding the hungry. I’m calling Birdman. 😂😂😂

[@mohammedarmanulhaq]

I loved the part when Kang was about to lose but he Kanged all over and defeated Ant-Man..🔥

[@christianvennemann9008]

"It's *K* *A* *N* *G* *I* *N* time!!!"

[@somethingelse4878]

I loved the part when, it ended. No seriously, Loki

[@tmaziriri]

3:00 isn't the whole storyline of that Falcon and The Winter Soldier series focused mostly on the after effects of The Blip on exactly these issues like housing and the like? 3:20 didn't Scott in the opening monolgue literally say Hope was using Pym tech to solve problems including hunger?

[@TheWarmachine375]

20:44 Council of Kangs acting like a bunch of football fans excited for the game.

[@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498]

My request for Coda Stand for Child Over Deaf Adult with Uncensored version (Featuring Troy Kotsur, Marlee Marlin and Daniel Durant)

[@NickEclipse]

Boy, I couldn’t wait for this one. I have been an avid fan of the MCU for the longest time. Matter of fact, I actually loved Ms. Marvel & She-Hulk(minus some eps) But Quantamania was so goofily written that all I could think about was how many sins it would get. Heck, I even discussed over 24 sins on the car ride home with my dad who identified 12 off the bat.

[@christianvennemann9008]

In my opinion, Paul Rudd and Jonathan Majors carried the whole movie on their backs

[@chasehedges6775]

@@christianvennemann9008👍💯

[@NickEclipse]

@@christianvennemann9008 100%

[@MrGenexxx]

Quantumania is like 1000 times better than She-Hulk

[@NickEclipse]

@@MrGenexxx mind you, this is my opinion, not yours.

[@seanbordenkircher7854]

"you'll know it when you see it" is the "we're going to cgi it later and can't be bothered to commit to a design"

[@lShadowdark]

This is the first MCU movie i couldnt finish, i stopped after the ghostbusters cameo delivered, i just couldn't take all the mistery cars (as in not answering questions and things happening "just because") luckily im not the only one

[@deeznutz7255]

3:23 …They are. They literally said at the start of the movie that Hope is helping handle problems including world hunger. She likely uses the Pym particles to help create more food.

[@enterthekyuubi]

Sucks that Kang had to be introduced in an Antman film of all things.

[@z0mb055]

Where's the 100-1000 more sins for the fact that Kang was sposed to be the main villain for an entire phase of the MCU only to be beaten by ants?

[@DIAC1987]

The Blip single-handedly put the MCU on a storytelling bind that to THIS day struggles to untangle itself from. On a parallel universe, Phase 4 is about the after-effects of Thanos succeeding in Infinity War with no Endgame sequel to undo the damage, and thus creating better storylines without so many potential plotholes.

[@kieranhair37]

In the initial phases, directors were always told what they could or couldn't do based on Marvel's future plans for certain characters. Now, it seems like directors disregard past and future movies with no issue, causing future directors and writers to either disregard those plans and create plot holes or else reconceptualize their script to adjust. Basically, it seems like Marvel is operating without a plan at this point. They're greenlighting titles without actually considering the stories attached to them.

[@brandongamingtv7545]

10:46 aw come on, i was expecting M.O.D.O.K's goofy ahh design to get 100 sins here (As i brought up the comment i made back in the EWW strange world video)

[@bryanfarris4696]

2 Groundhog Day outtakes but not a single "Mom, you sure can a hydrate a pizza."

[@minorityrick4027]

7:25 narrator clearly didn't watch the vsauce video *ding*

[@jen02jam2]

I've been waiting for this

[@Whyiseveryhandletaken6942]

Who hasn’t

[@TheDukeofMadness]

Three things I took away from this movie. 1. Michael Douglas has turned into his father (hopefully not exactly like him) 2. Michelle Pfeiffer was 64 when she made this movie and I think she's the best looking woman in it. 3. This movie was a flashback to my days of psilocybin abuse.

[@xenoemblem7]

Do you know what should've been a good addition? Scott's friends from the first 2 movie shows up as a variant of them.

[@randybooker9797]

Literally what I was saying about the Blip. We need a “Blip” movie. To show what was going on (IN DEPTH) after Thanos snapped his fingers

[@summertyme5748]

Requires respect for continuity. And Rick and Morty writers have made it their mission to shix all over continuity in the MCU. [Examples? Janet Van Dyne hangs around with Space Hitler - comes back and tells no one. Claims she told them to stay away - but in fact she is the one who SENT SCOTT into the Quantum Realm in the 1st place - thus trapping him there. Cassie claims she became a physicist to save Scott...uhm, no sorry, Scott was thought by everyone to be snapped - Cassie had NO IDEA that he was trapped in the Quantum Realm. Kang? He is from the 30th century and has tech far beyond 21st century per the film - but - he can't do shix without Hank Pym's 1970 tech ??? Also he is supposedly imprisoned in the Quantum Realm, but *with his time chair* - and which - he for some reason can't fix - and NEEDS JANET VAN DYNE TO HELP HIM???? On and on and on.....]

[@randybooker9797]

@@summertyme5748 her whole character was crazy. She is a PRO at withholding life saving info . She should’ve came back from the Quantum Realm in At Man 2 and told them everything lol. Even in Quantumania she held her tongue or gave cryptic answer llf

[@paulsardinasify]

The plight of the homeless after the blip was all Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It is a strange sin to say no film is going to address this.

[@DemonPorkRAWR]

Oh shizzle, this movie... Guess I better buckle up for this one.

[@magicmulder]

This is exactly what I'd do with a super powered genocidal villain - exile him to some barren land and LET HIM KEEP HIS SHIP because its engine is broken. And that can apparently never be repaired because... reasons?

[@lexruptor]

I in fact say "you'll know it when you see it", and can confirm I am not in a movie.

[@CDL_Gaming]

18:37 They're both gleeful about how they can both be huge, but this world they are in is still on a subatomic scale. They're not huge, they're just not as small as everything else.

[@summertyme5748]

The filmmakers at this point don't grasp the scientific implications of their own concepts - at all. The Quantum Realm is so small - it's *not* small. lol. It's another dimension. There is an actual theory in physics that Universes are sub atomic particles within Universes. So our Universe is 'sub atomic' with respect to another Universe and so on. You have to grasp the concept of another dimension - not just big and small which are relative references to our space/time. This is the only way for the Quantum Realm to make sense. Too hard for writers of this film. So they need to go away and get a real Sci Fi writer.

[@virgilhawkins5680]

That semantic may be true, but it's also moot. Even at normal size, nothing is huge because Earth itself dwarfs everything it on it. The Sun dwarfs the Earth. Everything is relative.

[@moop8996]

With how they treated modok in this movie, I have pretty much lost hope for how they are going to introduce Dr. Doom.

[@slayer-scythe8159]

tbf doom is a way more big and complex villain than modok…it’d be like comparing galactus to sandman

[@willster17yt]

“Movie does not contain a Luis” is the biggest sin of this movie by far! The 100 sin addition was well deserved tbh. 😂

[@user-vf8sh2kw2d]

Here are all the audio outtake clips at the end: 1 (20:52): Role Models (Universal Pictures, 2008) 2 (21:06): The Simpsons, "Homer Loves Flanders" (season 5, episode 16; Fox, 17th March 1994) 3 (21:15): 30 Rock, "Jack Meets Dennis" (season 1, episode 6; NBC, 30th November 2006) 4 (21:20): Jurassic Park (Universal Pictures, 1993) 5 (21:22): Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (20th Century Studios, 1999) 6 (21:27): Groundhog Day (Columbia Pictures, 1993) 7 (21:34): The Rocky Horror Picture Show (20th Century Studios, 1975) 8 (21:38): Groundhog Day (Columbia Pictures, 2013) 9 (21:47): Dude, Where's My Car? (20th Century Studios, 2000) 10 (21:55): Star Wars (20th Century Studios, 1977) 11 (21:59): Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Paramount Pictures, 1991)

[@Kidkinsey]

The biggest sin is it wasn't as funny as the previous 2!! And Kang didn't feel like a threat

[@ChakatStripedfur]

Yeah, Kang felt like a spoiled 5 year old that was in _serious_ need of a nap.

[@dylanhall9470]

In mathematical topology, a hole must have a entry and exit point. So the holes are tear ducts, nostrils, mouth, butt, and urethra, which is 7. They got it right. It's honestly the best part of the movie imo lmao Pores and ears don't count because there's no exit side.