Everything Wrong With Avatar The Way of Water in 25 Minutes or Less

Avatar: The Way of Water is a sequel to Avatar. It took 100 years to make and some people loved it. All I can see is sins.
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[@_GeneralMechanics_]

"Thumbnail Artist would be good at Cinema Sins..." oh wait. *-1 Sin sound effect*

[@PeAcEsMoKeR421]

Are we getting EWW super mario movie soon??

[@actionjacksonIV]

I love u Cinema sins I need a good laugh thank you

[@NNZaero4066]

For the time between landing the ships and the 1 year later there is a graphic novel, which I highly recommend. It's called "Avatar the high ground"

[@b1bbscraz3y]

why are you yelling so much and speaking like a high school kid "dude! this is a sin!", "dude! this is a sin"

[@Jonathan_Collins]

My favorite part was the decision to leave their home and friends to avoid endangering them so they could go endanger a bunch of peaceful strangers instead.

[@freeamericanthinker558]

In fairness it was working.

[@peeko_luxx2873]

I don’t get why they didn’t just chill in the hallelujah mountains and just move around here and there? Maybe I missed something that explained that bit.

[@nickcoronado898]

until they ordered a god damn helicopter to come to them

[@sama2086]

Well obviously the idea was the humans wouldn't know where they went so they weren't endangering the strangers. and it was working until Kiri went into shock

[@galileebashaw7610]

Woooowww who knew

[@nonducorduco7356]

The biggest sin of this movie was Neytiri just going along with everything. She had a moment where she finally got unleashed but then got muted again

[@againstthepods4316]

she was being a GOOD WIFE. I salute her for that and it was the best choice in the end.

[@Plaspos]

@@againstthepods4316 she was being a good wife but the writing was terrible for her. they had her crying all the time and not showing the intelligence and curiosity she showed in the first movie. Zoe Saldana is one of the stronger actors in the franchise but they wasted her ability in favor of some much weaker performers

[@MindOfE]

@@Plasposthank you they spent too much time on his crybaby son and swimming lessons

[@kmills3737]

SO TRUE. Jake never listened to her once, even though she’s a warrior, taught him how to live in that world, and now a leader. He should have listened to her when she said “you cannot ask this” and come up with a plan together. Jake’s plan got his kid killed. They did Neytiri dirty in this movie and Jake is awful throughout.

[@ThomasdWell]

and so bizarre considering Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley were previous strong women James Cameron wrote for. In a age where producers often have to ham-fist 'girl power' you'd think the one guy that has written naturally in the past just sidelines the real main character of the series.

[@Cyber.Oni.Ink.]

Let's not forget that all of the Water Tribe just dips and leaves the Sullys to fight for themselves once the ship sinks in water...y'know, the place where the water tribe excels at fighting in

[@motherplayer]

More than happy to be buddy-buddy AFTER the work had been done.

[@bluet7777]

there was at least 10 minutes of scrapped footage from the final battle, the explanation for the Metkayina’s disappearance was likely apart of it.

[@Cyber.Oni.Ink.]

@bluet7777 bruh, that's dumb as hell, they could have at least showed up to help them swim out of the wreckage

[@serendipityhalifax2972]

but why though? they got tsireya out and they ditched... might be a bit heartless but completely understandable that they wouldn't risk themselves for jake's family

[@MrMonkey2150]

Let’s not forget that when the boar went down and sunk they would have just assumed that the fighting was over. All the RDA was beaten and from their perspective the boat was on fire and sinking

[@sleeplessgames1677]

_"I apologize for my mate."_ *"Jake Sully survives Neytiri in this scene"* So glad I'm not the only one remembering how fast she would've ripped him apart if he pulled that in the first movie lmao Edit: Can I just say how much I appreciate the calmness of the discussion in the replies?

[@LukeLovesRose]

At least their women dont leave them out of boredom

[@b1bbscraz3y]

blue Gamora

[@mcrain1283]

uhhh why pls explain

[@Plaspos]

@@mcrain1283 she was more assertive and stronger emotionally in the first movie. in this movie the writing for her was pretty poor and she spent the whole time crying and yelling and didn't really get a development arc in any way. Zoe Saldana is one of the better actors of the bunch but they really didn't do her abilities justice (same with Kate Winslet) like they did in the first movie. I think the only characters that got decent writing were Kiri, Quaritch, Loak, and Spider. But only Kiri and Quaritch delivered on that potential because Loak and Spider's actors are just average while the other two actors (Sigourney Weaver and Stephen Lang) are very good.

[@martins4555]

Wasn’t RDAs original goal only to mine the mineral? So technically burning the whole planet shouldn’t matter to them… But where do these huge drop ships come from? Why wouldn’t they just have used those from the beginning instead of waging a stupid little minded fight with the inhabitants? Why don’t they just scorch the whole planet with these enormous ships? Problem solved…

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

It's important to mention that Jake wasn't always a strict father. In the first few minutes, we see him teaching and playing with his kids, going on dates with his mate, and happy. It wasn't until he saw the RDA's ships that he reverted back into soldier mode.

[@tmac731]

He had too since he’s the leader of his clan and his sons are in the battle.

[@DoggyteamLunarChan]

Right finally people understand people have been saying he turn into a shitty dad but he isn’t

[@voin5371]

@@DoggyteamLunarChan I feel like for him, even if he's in military mode he doesn't listen to his kids even when they had valid information, even as a leader he failed to acknowledge his kids as nothing more but insubordinate soldiers whilst failing to lead or install discipline to those that were a liability. The few moments he does have valid reason to dismiss their efforts or have a subtle fatherly bond with his kids is overshadowed by his negligence and short sighted thinking as a leader.

[@DoggyteamLunarChan]

@@voin5371 your right along with he was a good father until the RDA came back he just became protective and scared which I think triggered his marine side because in the comics he says when he was just a marine he had nothing to lose other than his body(legs) and now he has his whole family who is like his world

[@teetheluchador]

@@DoggyteamLunarChanexcept the fact where he’s never on his kids side ever, never listens to them, actively blames them for everything that happens. Yes he was cool dad when they were young in the beginning but he’s shitty to them now and it cost him one

[@ethandollarhide7943]

15:17 Not going to lie, a Nature Documentary style series showcasing all the different wildlife and ecosystems of Pandora has so much potential.

[@khinzaw77]

Honestly the nature stuff was my favorite part of the movie.

[@squeezedlemonydemon4472]

Those parts were honestly the only ones that helped me sit through the movie. The "plot" was just ridiculous, it's maddening how much time they had to put this sequel together and how little they worked on the most important part. Fanfic writers can do better on a tuesday evening between their 9-5 and bedtime.

[@KhanMann66]

About the only interesting thing about this movie.

[@sylvirgiomanach1491]

I would like it to be a comedic nature documentary. Narrated by Matt Berry (The IT Crowd, What We Do In The Shadows)

[@donovon9187]

Most underrated comment

[@nuffsaidny]

“These kids don’t f***ing listen” - me the entire Avatar movie 😂

[@justafan5179]

So, the teenage kids behaved like... teenage kids?... wow. Honestly I loved the kids, they were fun, and it was great to see their dynamic.

[@ryancurry4857]

yeah, isnt that kinda t he point? what kids DO listen?

[@mikeljackson9192]

Reminds me of Goonies, A Goofy Movie and every other Disney adventure movie. When you’re a kid, you identify with the kids wanting to have fun and when you grow up, you’re like wtf - these kids never listen

[@touficjammoul4482]

fr! XD

[@CrystalClear5617]

Actually naming his first born after his brother would've been a better choice, can't believe I've never heard someone say that.

[@britipinojeff]

Tbh I forgot that he had a twin brother, and I think the movies did too lol

[@aaronroach8218]

@@britipinojeff it's not a huge part of the story lol all it did was set up the beginning plot.

[@justingary5322]

He talked about his brother at the beginning of Avatar 2009

[@chance1774]

neytiri was not about to name her FIRSTBORN tommy lmao wtf? she didn’t even know him and anyway, it would’ve alienated neteyam by marking him as different the same way lo’ak’s 4 fingers did.

[@ecolias]

omg no it would not- neteyam was also neytiris child, and tommy is more of an english name, yes she knows english, but they all have such beautiful names like lo'ak, kiri, tuktirey. Naming neteyam "Tommy" would be like naming an american baby a japanasse name, or a russian name

[@degurkin]

The biggest Sin you ignored is that the main character who *was in a wheelchair because of war* and *who was so anti-war he would betray his own species* to no longer be a warrior trained his children to refer to him as "Sir" and demanded they speak and act the way kids in Bootcamp would. And trained them to be fighters and let them participate in war. This is retconning a 13 year old Movies Anti-war message

[@Malaclypse_the_Third]

The next movie will be AVATAR: Sitting in the Sand Quaritch will return with ten more Quaritchs forcing Jake to abandon the sea and go to the equator but most importantly it will allow the director to use exactly the same plot again but with sand physics, sand tribes, and lots of sand.

[@OkayYaraman]

Don’t tell Anakin.

[@Nghilifa]

Yeah, they'll probably be Sandpeople in the next one, and due to the obvious Star Wars reference, they'll probably do something akin to the trench run and destroy the main earth ship that the humans arrive on.

[@MysticalPreshXO]

Lmaoo 😅 & I’ll watch it too

[@Snake4985]

Cameron has said Avatar 3 is going to be about a firey tribe of blue aliens called the "Ash People". First air, then water and next is fire. What's after that? Earth?

[@cannabishornliu6119]

Bro, I become Anakin Skywalker just by thinking of this might become true.

[@animeweeb5070]

I honestly expected Jake and Neytiri to either leave the kids with the Metkayina or ask them for help in the war. I didn't expect them to RUN AWAY and put them in danger as well. I feel like the back-and-forth between the kids learning the way of the Metkayina and Neytiri and Jake fighting side by side again against the humans would have been more interesting.

[@Plaspos]

there was so much more to explore about the tension between Neytiri and the Metkayina that they didn't go into. They didn't really do anything with Neytiri in this movie come to think about it. Shame because she is a better actress than Jake

[@guywholikesgoodmusic]

Yeah it was extremely an extremely bizarre choice of writing. I said this after watching it, but Avatar 2 really is just the exact same story as Avatar 1 had, just on boats in a different place. Maybe so much time passed between the two movies that James Cameron thought we forgot what happened in the first movie and wanted us to be reminded of how shitty humans are....

[@motherkool]

Lol I thought Jake was taking the whole clan with him to the Metkayina when I first watched the trailer 💀

[@Plaspos]

@@guywholikesgoodmusic I think you're right and also James Cameron was looking for any excuse to make another movie about the ocean. He's obsessed with protecting the ocean life and shipwrecks and motion performance capture. The final battle in Avatar 2 was basically Titanic + Avatar lol

[@acaliharte]

That’s exactly how I thought that was gonna go. Drop the kids and go back and fight.

[@sierrajohnson717]

I get that Spider got close to Clone Quaritch over 3 months, but he was literally THERE when he swore to murder all the Sully kids if he was still alive, who hes much closer to, so the whole saving him and bouncing and telling no one bit makes the final battle between them pointless, endangers literally EVERYONE bc they know exactly where the Sullys are, and shits on Netayams death bc he literally died trying to help get Spider AWAY FROM THEM

[@bluet7777]

I think that Spider felt he had a large debt to pay, when Quaritch seemingly saved his life.

[@LukeLovesRose]

Yes but Quaritch saved Spider from the crazed Neytiri, who just cut him

[@osmanyousif7849]

⁠@@bluet7777, OK but even if you’re someone who thinks that, I’m pretty sure the movie itself doesn’t. As the way they developed the relationship between Spider and Quaritch felt very contrived.

[@Plaspos]

it could have been sold with a better actor

[@LukeLovesRose]

@@Plaspos I think he did great for his first big movie role. Spider is a very complex teenager

[@brandongamingtv7545]

Whoever chose that movie's screencapture for this video's thumbnail, give that man a raise NOW

[@grigorirasputin996]

Yep

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

"Thumbnail artist would be good at Cinema Sins!" *"Removes 1 Sin" sound effect*

[@CinemaSins]

*woman

[@Megcs]

​@@CinemaSinsno one cares, is she getting the raise or not?

[@CinemaSins]

@@Megcs Ha! She might care, and her thumbnail based remuneration increases shall be her private information to share or withhold. :) On a serious note the small CinemaSins team down the line are amazingly smart and thoughtful humans who put so much into this work each week that often goes unnoted, so it makes us very happy any time someone notices these kinds of great choices and work! What a privilege to work with this crew!

[@BlackWallMute]

at 24:45 i think the appropriate sin there is "it only took the dead of your favorite son to see the lesser one"

[@crowdlycrow3632]

I wouldn't have ssay it better

[@victorc8855]

It's pretty comical how the humans have all sorts of advanced tech but aren't capable of detecting the pterodactyls attacking them from above

[@markusmuhldorfer917K]

Yeah or having windows in their airships which can't be shot through with arrows😂

[@thedukeofchutney468]

Let’s be honest if this movie was even slightly realistic the humans would have crushed the Na’vi before they could even say Pandora.

[@bluet7777]

in the first movie, it’s shown that their gear goes haywire when they enter the Hallelujah Mountains

[@ctakitimu]

@@thedukeofchutney468 Yup, as soon as the Na'vi showed any sign of resisting, time for a few well placed orbital strikes then the humans can move in to mine without any further conflict

[@teetheluchador]

@@thedukeofchutney468which is what should’ve happened. Not some magic all the forest creatures fight back bs

[@JM-te1xz]

My favourite part of Avatar 2 is how the story and plot points are the exact same as the first movie down to the villain and mcguffin

[@mymyrou3199]

my favourite part was how they just copypasted the 'fight against big predator that wants to eat you' scene. Down to the: plant saves my stupid ass because I am smol and that thing is not

[@camelcase_4336]

I was literally thinking exactly this when I was in the theatre, I honestly just wanted someone to die at the end so I could go home

[@bluet7777]

@@mymyrou3199 that was a parallel; there were numerous intentional parallels between the first and second films (primarily between characters Jake and Lo’ak), and they were pretty much done for the purpose of stirring nostalgia + giving you a taste of Lo’ak’s story direction.

[@rumbazumba3189]

And the part where literally nothing happened in the whole movie, no development whatsoever

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@@camelcase_4336 your first mistake was paying to see it in theaters in the first place

[@emeraldpichu1]

Never thought about it, but not honoring his brother really is a shit thing to do not only because his death allowed his future but also, despite all his proselytizing about his children, having some human in them, he seems desperate to erase his past by any means necessary, which is so hypocritical.

[@motherplayer]

I felt that way as far back as the end of the first film when he was calling the leaving team "Humans" as if he was never one from the start. I actively raised a brow at that.

[@Nightswarmer]

Well, *biologically* and *genetically*, these kids are actually his brother's.. I know they're identical, but I mean.. Right?!

[@emeraldpichu1]

@@Nightswarmer in some ways that makes it worse

[@Faliat]

@@Nightswarmer Actually, they're his brother's grandchildren since Jake's Avatar was his brother's hybrid son. Same goes for Recom Quaritch. He's Spider's younger half-brother.

[@KhanMann66]

That’s messed up on so many levels.😂

[@amentlik]

@16:56 how about a sin for making Neytiri literally just be a housewife for a whole movie?!

[@ariesdork5283]

Omg I hated that! She lost all agency in this movie. Her best scenes were the ones where she wasn’t with Jake. Like when she was connecting with her kids or going on a rampage at the end

[@Falllll]

She's such an underused character in this one. It's unbelievable

[@imanoldurango8213]

In the first movie: “you mated with this woman?!” In the second movie: “you mated with this whale?!”

[@hanburgundy4317]

Lo'ak: I went deep down his throat. He deep throated me, bro!

[@amazingcaptor9071]

OH NO!!! I brought it to 69 likes!

[@overlordghs1081]

“We’re sea people now!” After literally almost being killed by water for over half of the movie. Can’t wait for them to become sand people and spend the whole movie almost getting eaten by sand worm things then at the end say “We’re sand people now”

[@Thebaconmurderer]

Oh no is that Anakin coming in with a steel chair.

[@albertlamar5938]

The visuals were stunning. The plot was...well, as you described it. Since family was allegedly such an important part of the movie, I would have preferred a story of the Sully's exploring Pandora, with no humans involved at all this time. Still, Cameron gets an A +++ for his commitment to visual artistry.

[@ariesdork5283]

Yeah, I would have eaten up anything that expanded the lore and gave us more of pandora and it’s different inhabitants. If they had just stuck with the Kiri being connected to Eywa plotline and the kids learning the way of water, the movie would have been pretty good

[@guywholikesgoodmusic]

Pandora is such a cool and gorgeous alien world that I really think the story plot kinda sidelines these movies. Maybe we'll get something better in the third movie, but I love the overall setting.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Stunning? Compare them to the first one. They are poorly rendered xd

[@StianHanger]

That whispered skiiiiiiiiiiiiip got me. Laughed my ass off.

[@romondoalexander8851]

Yes, the birdman’s awesome.

[@foeloko]

It took 10+ years for Jake to relearn the same thing he learned in the last movie. That is the movies biggest sin 😂

[@foxhoundslug]

People do this in real life all the time. In fact, trauma reawakening old fears and habits is very common.

[@foeloko]

@@foxhoundslug go away nerd

[@ink66]

when i saw the older brother not really doing anything except being the "why can't you be like him" character i knew something was gonna happen to him. and he died.

[@shelbydahlem4795]

I don’t really think he needed to name his firstborn after his brother. However, it would have been interesting for Jake to at least mention his brother to his children, especially since a subplot for this movie is the brotherhood between Neteyam and Lo’ak.

[@ElephantFilmWerks]

Before I watch, just hoping for 1000+ sins for the kids getting captured twice in a row, almost back to back.

[@nyphron3109]

Children being tied to the rail of a ship once is a hostage situation. Children being tied to the rail of a ship twice is lazy writing.

[@Noob-yx1cu]

no

[@SethMantia]

..."two people fall in love while riding a banshee" scene from the first movie but with Jake and this guy! hahhaa Narrator yelling makes me crack up!

[@illustr80r]

As an artist every time someone asks me about these movies: Avatar is a beautiful tech demo that is bogged down by uninspired and cliched plot.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

How come you didn't notice is poorly rendered?

[@GummeeH3]

dances with huge blue smurfs

[@pedrosantos6183]

"as an artist" Lol, as an pretentious dick might be more accurate.

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

"The way of water has no beginning and no end." ... but it goes on for over three hours and you had no pause for bathroom breaks while seeing it in theaters.

[@Xgendude14]

You take a bathroom break BEFORE watching the movie. Otherwise, blame your tiny bladder lol

[@NashmanNash]

It is one of those movies where you can comfortably go to the bathroom AND to the closes McDonalds without missing anything relevant@@Xgendude14

[@primmoore6232]

With ALL that inspiring water, too!

[@foxhoundslug]

you cant go three hours without pissing? skill issue

[@NashmanNash]

@@foxhoundslug Pff...real pros have necessary equipment with them

[@Kai81194]

Main problem with this movie is that it had the same plot as the first one, except somewhat different, and the plot itself that is spread over 3 hours could probably be shaved down to 30 minutes. This is not impressive work, certainly not when considering they spent 13 years on this movie.

[@motherplayer]

Goes back to how RLM put it. The writing itself is not as impressive as the visuals. Doesn't always matter to some but you're also gonna want to come away with something after 3 hours. It's why I don't much out of them.

[@bluet7777]

apparently the second and third films were originally the same one, but they decided to make them two separate films. so now ATWOW is just setting up the rest of the story

[@Noob-yx1cu]

its not

[@samuelansin8307]

My main issue is that at the end of the movie he decides to stand and fight to protect his "home". Ya know the very thing he was doing at the start of the movie before he decided to run to the sea.

[@Plaspos]

I think the plot is pretty similar and the characterization is actually worse. The only characters who had good writing + the actors to deliver on that writing were Kiri and Quaritch. A lot of other good actors (Neytiri, Ronal) were cast aside by the writers.

[@FeederRemiix]

My favorite part was when Neytiri goes on a murderous hunting spree easily wiping everybody in the squad out and then instead of sneaking up on Quaritch from either above or behind.... she decides to go right out in the open and grab his son for... plot purposes... who grew up with their entire family.

[@leo-om9vg]

She never liked spider so it makes sense

[@zak3172]

Was even better how his son was almost Upto neytiris shoulder in that part despite her being what 10ft?? And he looks proportionally the same as her…Normal humans go Upto their thighs don’t they? And have considerably smaller features

[@danielmccutcheon3374]

​@@zak3172 the ship was half merged in the water , where Neytiri was standing.there was a decline which is why spider looked taller than he was !!

[@Lovedrawing1]

@@zak3172 I think Na'Vi's are supposed to be like a meter higher than humans

[@bigbowlowrong4694]

Saw this in the cinema. It felt like it would NEVER. END.

[@desolatefox]

I was falling asleep during the final battle. These 3 hour movies need to stoooop.

[@bigbowlowrong4694]

@@desolatefox By the two hour mark I was hoping they’d just blow the goddamned planet up😆

[@bradleywong4281]

You seen LOTR? Those 3 hours are short compared to this. Loved the visuals though, no one can complain about that.

[@EmeraldBayMovies]

​@@bradleywong4281The first movie felt short. The Return of the King was one of the most tedious films I've seen in theaters.

[@andrewmelton2686]

I got fed up and left 10 mins early. First time I've ever walked out on a film in the cinema before the credits

[@LukeLovesRose]

The biggest mistake was the fact that Norm and Max didnt turn off the transponder, leading Quaritch directly to Jake. But clearly Jake was desperate to save his daughter, Kiri. Hes not thinking about the consequences of sending for Norm

[@Dark_Mishra]

Agreed. They should’ve met halfway somewhere off the straight path, ditched the chopper, then brought Norm the rest of the way.

[@crimsonlight4205]

Still though… they had to have had that thing for a pretty long time, why hadn’t they already disabled it?

[@geert574]

why is Norm not arrested the moment humans land the dude is at the old base 😂

[@LukeLovesRose]

@@geert574 That was off camera and the movie didn't need to waste time explaining it

[@richards31415]

22:40 I lost it at "fool of a Tuk" 😂

[@user-xm4hl5zx1l]

Spider was one of the most infuriating characters I have seen in the past 10 years

[@andwhoisyou4811]

I really liked Spider as a character

[@chasehedges6775]

He looked hot in the loincloth tho and his actor did a good job

[@sageroberts2004]

@@andwhoisyou4811 Spider was easily the worst part. He acted so loyal to the Sully family only to save Quarritch in the end, basically condemning them forever

[@Reittenkruez]

@@chasehedges6775 That's creepy. He was a minor when this was being filmed.

[@MrMonkey2150]

Rey? Rose?

[@LukeLovesRose]

The immune response is what Eywa did for the Navi during the battle over the Tree of Souls.

[@szabok1999]

After all this time fighting the natives, the humans still haven't upgraded their flying machines so they couldn't be taken out by one single arrow through their glass...

[@crowdlycrow3632]

They could't remeber how they tried to take down Quartoch ship onn the first one? Aroows only made scratches, in this one they are bigger and moe strong, doesn't quit the fact that if they saw they were more dangerous why they didn't upgraded it xd.

[@szabok1999]

@@crowdlycrow3632 It's actually quite impressive how little effort was put into the story when so much effort was put into the visuals .

[@warcraftlake7]

My favorite part is when the water people completely disappear for the huge fight at the end.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯

[@Noob-yx1cu]

you can see them leaving in the background

[@remborc]

6:09 i expected a bonus round adding a aditional 411,264,000 sins for all the "bro's and cuz"

[@Santister]

21:17 “You hit him now they attack.” It’s not like you guys have superior firepower or anything. OR backup in a huge ass base that can be called in to assist by one radio transmission.

[@dnygaming]

Honestly, they should’ve killed the younger brother, the one that they spent most of the movie with instead of the character that got like three lines it would’ve been a lot more impactful.

[@EmeraldBayMovies]

I honestly didn't even know which one got killed. They're both so void of depth, it's hard to tell them apart

[@Black6659]

4:44 Why he uses the robot to lift the coffe mug you ask? Because its with HEAVY cream duh!

[@Rizwaan122]

I'm glad someone finally agrees with my opinion that this movie was just a rerun of the first.

[@aidanrmacgregor7537]

My favorite thing that the movie didn't develop was the unabashed contempt Neytiri has for their adopted human son. Like, she's in raging, killing, revenging-her-killed-kid mode at the end of the movie and there's a super suspenseful moment where it looks like she's going to kill Spider. And then she doesn't. And then the movie ends. And no one talks about it. She never shows remorse, and Spider never seems to react to how *his mother contemplated killing him.* I guess this reckoning will happen in the next movie? Saving his father from the wreckage doesn't feel like enough, especially since he swam back to the Sullys afterwards anyway with, as Jeremy noted, no help from their part. Anyway, this is just my biggest disappointment with an otherwise deeply flawed but pretty enjoyable movie. Spider should have left, but he came back because he needs to leave in the next movie. But he'll probably betray them off screen before the next movie so we don't get to see it happen.

[@glasfuechsin3085]

Neytiri is not his mother. Spider is not the Sully's adopted kid. Jake calls him a "stray cat" in the montage at the beginning, I don't know why people get the idea that he is adopted. He has a foster family in the comics, but when Ardmore gives the humans on Pandora an ultimatum, they return to the RDA.

[@jennapeneueta-snyder200]

Spider sold them the fuck out why are you so confused. He betrayed the only family he knows.

[@blackwings724]

You should read how cold Neytiri was to Spider in the comics

[@hkfifty871]

For real. That bothered me SO MUCH. And as incredibly unsubtle as they were with some of the other messaging they kept bludgeoning into the audience throughout the movie, I was waiting for them to address the racist nearly-child-murdering elephant in the room that was one of our protagonists, and instead everybody just shrugs that off? WTF? I mean, I was AT LEAST expecting it to set up a crisis of identity arc for Spider in the next movie by having that drive him away from both his “human” family and Na’vi adopted family, but… nope. Everyone just gets over it.

[@WreckingWood]

@@jennapeneueta-snyder200 How? He didn't tell them where they're hiding.

[@AJsMillions]

With the way Netayem is pronounced it was hard to not hear the characters just shouting "Dayum!", especially when he got shot.

[@thrackerzodthefandomnerd4267]

Kiri sounded like kitty everytime tuk said it

[@avacornthelastponybender8583]

Everyone: "Who's Mini Sigourney's Dad?" Me: "SCREW THAT! Who the fuck is Spider's Mom?!"

[@ZbJeeBies]

they mentioned it in some tie-in material, her name is paz socorro and she died in the first movie 😂

[@MrShadowpanther3]

@@ZbJeeBiesWas she a "comfort woman" stationed at the last base? Because the last movie had Quaritch solidly as a bachelor head soldier. Not a single mention of a "social life" outside lifting weights.

[@bigo1107]

That no one will be seated part had me in tears 😂😂😂

[@stevensrocks798]

20:07 to be fair, geography is the main reason for most wars.

[@eeriewaffle3938]

Man, I never understood why the humans didn't just resort to ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT. Just send scouts down, or scan for them, locate their base, and then destroy everything from high altitude where they can't reach you...

[@MrMonkey2150]

Umm they wouldn’t be able to bomb the navi if they were in the mountains

[@wileysil3313]

they say in the beginning they plan to relocate humankind to pandora. would be quite stupid to bombard your future habitat then, wouldn't it.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Oh they can reach them, for some reason they have tecnology to go to space and obliberate the ships.

[@potato_723]

I think the landing scene should have taken a sin off for creative means of clearing a dangerous area, and for showing what REALLY happens when a higher tech group invades another

[@anthonyrousseau8050]

I'd take a sin off for the spaceships' propulsion being one of the most realistic depiction of the sheer power needed to attain near-lightspeed travel. ...Then I'd give it back because even stopping at that distance, the blast would be enough to burn the entire planet's atmosphere from afar. They wouldn't have to bother with the landing lmao

[@Durwood71]

They were intentionally clearing the area since they deployed bulldozers immediately afterwards, and then later, you see a giant city being constructed.

[@ToboeOkamiKiba]

When Spyder is getting the body paint reapplied in the beginning he mentions that the animals respect him more when he's wearing the paint because he looks more Na'vi.

[@Theenginerd8968]

Cinemasins took as long to sin this as it took James Cameron to make it… feels like it

[@sgtmajor5700]

Sin one: threatening with a lawsuit the cartoon Avatar, then using one of the powers of the cartoon, Avatar, to name your film.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

You know... Avatar is not a name. You call that to a characterization of yourself. Like a videogame avatar for example. Nothing to lawsuit there. Sin to you my friend ;)

[@Turtle-lan]

Just because this movie is bout water, there's no water super power involved lol

[@darcydreaming6931]

As much as I love this movie, it's always irked me when it comes to them unintentionally leading the way to the sea people with the chopper. Of course it's gonna be tracked, that's like the most basic common knowledge about aircraft. They just had to take the dumbest route with that plot mechanic, huh?

[@gregoryl.levitre9759]

I stopped reading at, "as much as I love this movie," because I'd rather not know what's going on in the mind of someone who loves this movie.

[@darcydreaming6931]

@@gregoryl.levitre9759 well fuck me for enjoying something. Sheesh

[@rhysrhodes4057]

Okay, so how did they find out that the brain juice of those whales stops aging? What's the series of events that led up to that specific discovery?

[@t00sa]

I don't regret seeing it on the big screen, because visually it was breathtaking. But the general plot was pretty copy paste, they revived the villain, Spider-character is only there to create extra interspecies drama and some of the big emotional moments near the end didn't do it for me. Like Jake telling his son 'I see you' and I facepalmed. 6/10

[@worldweaver2691]

same

[@themightyfleaforonce4656]

I was wondering if you were going to mention the fire on top of the water (which could easily be swam under) or the fact that the water people completely ditched the battle at the start. You didnt disappoint. 😂😂😂

[@mechwarrior7278]

To be fair, going to war has pretty much exclusively been about geography lol

[@Szokynyovics]

Came here to say this, thank you. I’m pretty sure they know too. 😉

[@LadyOnikara]

Geography and religion.

[@sarawolos6051]

"and a blood clot in my ass" 😂😂 Me when I was half way through this film and realised there was still 1.5 hrs to go 😵‍💫

[@ebee-uz1oz]

The part where the General is drinking her coffee with her bots arm has been bugging me ever since I saw it, seriously, who's to say while trying to drink and she ends up whacking her teeth (could've taken lots of practice)

[@williamhare4456]

Not to mention in order to get the mug to her lips her real arm needs to clip into her chest.

[@MrMonkey2150]

Technology is smart, this is a thing in real life 😂. Not only can fake arms do this but robots do it as well

[@ezpz2624]

it's just a simple way to show how much time she's spend in this "suit". Dunno why it's so hard to grasp..

[@KenC4242]

@@ezpz2624 very hard to grasp cause she’s a GENERAL they don’t any of the missions and heavy lifting. Generals don’t ride along on aircraft going into combat. They are making strategic decisions far away from the shit

[@tmoore4075]

This movie felt like Mockingjay Part 1 or Deathly Hallows Part 1. Just teeing up the next movie. The summary at the end is right. Jake's family being of the forest people chased by the army to ocean people chased by the army. This could have been a 15 minute movie story wise. Looked amazing though.

[@k7l3rworkman97]

Facts 💯

[@pawtleopard]

Can we just talk about how the movie doesn't actually start for like an hour

[@irmiwolf]

Can we also talk about how Jake, who knows that Na'vi are able to hold their breath for a real long time under water tried to choke Quaritch UNDER WATER?!

[@foxhoundslug]

no it takes training to do, which he was banking on clone Quaritch not having. In the beginning the kids can't hold their breath as long as their peers, they hae to learn to do it. Jake too.

[@irmiwolf]

@@foxhoundslug yeah but choking someone under water is still stupid, since the person you are choking cant breath anyway.

[@lumiel777]

@@irmiwolf Now that I think about it...

[@jcvscorner]

Choking somebody is not about restricting their airways but restricting blood flow to the brain. That's why you can come somebody under water

[@jiji7250]

choking stops blood from traveling to the brain , you don’t need to be strangled in the water in order to suffocate.

[@rodlah6205]

This movie was basically 3 hours of frustration. Plot doesn’t make sense, dialogue is corny… why wait ten years to produce this ?

[@sassy1988]

The idea that Quarritch wouldn’t just massacre his way through every single group of Navi he encounters-if not because he thinks they’re either hiding Jake or would help him or to just make any Navi reluctant to even look at Jake and his family-only makes sense if you’re trying NOT to make Jake’s idea to leave look massively stupid.

[@ryans413]

When I heard the name Way Of Water I expect there to be some epic water battles. And when Jake brought his family to the water clan I was like yes here we go there going to team up and we will have some epic water battles. I was thinking like tsunamis whirlpools lightning rain maybe some water tornados there had to be someone in that tribe that could tape into nature and control the waters. What a missed opportunity to have some fun battles with the water elements. Instead we got a whale documentary.

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Man they are rock men fighting high tech assholes, you asking for too much. This isn't anime.

[@williamsummerson1204]

The cinematography and choreography are gorgeous in this movie and that's about it.

[@Noob-yx1cu]

and story and characters

[@k7l3rworkman97]

Facts

[@k7l3rworkman97]

@@Noob-yx1cuWrong.

[@Noob-yx1cu]

@@k7l3rworkman97 you wish

[@nastassjaminson5040]

i've been here for about a decade and jeremy is just getting funnier with every video

[@grapeshot]

I guess they're going to try to tell the story of Pocahontas in outer space as many times as they can.

[@danbh84]

that's right, kid. Cope.

[@LucianDevine]

Pocahontas meets FernGully in Space, and yes, yes they are.

[@noahfyan9617]

Nah its dances with wolves in space

[@danbh84]

@@noahfyan9617 you guys really need to read up what cliche means

[@michaelgamble2848]

my favorite part of this whole movie was that they spend most of the movie underwater, but right in the end, they can't hold their breath that long.......

[@MrMonkey2150]

It’s a long time bro

[@Noob-yx1cu]

the kids. Not the adults

[@MrMonkey2150]

@@Noob-yx1cu I’d like to see this guy practice holding his breath for a few months and see if he can do it

[@motivationgmindset]

I love the cinematography in this movie it's simply beautiful. I wished I went in the theatres to watch this.

[@TheGreatLake1998]

I went to the theatre to see it, and I had a seizure. Good times.

[@justafan5179]

​@@TheGreatLake1998that's awful. Hope you're alright. I noticed quite a few scenes, especially in 3d where I'm thinking "there should have been a seizure warning"

[@JessChillN_]

You missed out big time

[@EmeraldBayMovies]

You didn't miss out on much. Seeing the first movie in theaters was way better. Those visuals were waaaay ahead of their time

[@motivationgmindset]

@@EmeraldBayMovies I saw the first one in the theatres when I was a young. To this day it still seems surreal.

[@drummerboy4seddhou]

I love the funny dialogue! So many good liners. "I'm willing to bet one space-whale ex-machina he will!"

[@DiscipleWP]

3 big issues i saw in this movie, was the fact that the boys tried to murder loak and he was just like meh were freinds now. and then the warer people leaving mid battle and lastly and most importantly loaks father blaming him for his brothers death. what a terrible father.

[@Shaznit]

Honestly after 2 and a half hours, I was ready for it to end.

[@user-qz4uf2wc5i]

After an hour I was ready for it to end. Almost an hour of them swimming.. This movie was just a way for Cameron to show off the visuals. The movies plot is just the rising to the climax, which will be the next movie. What a waste

[@clericofchaos1]

Just watch the season of Avatar titled "the book of water". You'll get way more enjoyment out of it.

[@stargirl7646]

Haha great point!

[@Noob-yx1cu]

no lol

[@DrSaxon3]

I don't get why Jake didn't name any of his kids after his twin brother either

[@nicholascharles9625]

Assimilation. Ever had a immigrant kid in class with a name difficult to pronounce in your language? That alone starts bullying and makes it harder to connect. It also further makes the child an "other" they already are treated differently for their human traits. Those are born though. Deliberately choicing a human name is another matter. Also for the navi out of the thousands of humans to come. Only a handful didn't try to wipe them out. Kinda understandable that be pretty uncomfortable with that

[@aanubuddy6674]

This is one of the funniest cinemasins. And the songs was just cheery on the top. Great video.

[@sbomorse]

The biggest fail of this movie was having a 70 year old play a child. Just awful.

[@116_Gaming]

My favorite part was the end credits

[@MrMonkey2150]

The movie was amazing and u know it

[@PopstAhri]

That second to last post-sinning scene gives me the crossover I never knew I wanted. Just imagine if the humans of this world ran into Klingons instead of primitive blue people. Like Qui-Gon said, there's always a bigger fish.

[@semmutalindwa4615]

Thumbnail goes crazy

[@waffleweirdo1252]

The biggest sin is Neytiri doing NOTHING the entire movie when she is the biggest badass in the first one

[@bennyd.1862]

This movie was 3 hours of my life I could never get back. Rip it to shreds.

[@risquecat]

Reef people : Hey I only brought one spear , let's go home and leave everything to Sully.

[@LordPrometheous]

"Fool of a Tuk!". They never disappoint.

[@calebvaldez676]

This movie was full of sins, let's sin the I saved my dad so we can have a third movie cliche 😂

[@nicholascharles9625]

Oh God I just realised that means for 3 movies in a row we're gonna get the same antagonist laziest writing

[@PDAF17]

I REFUSE to believe you didn't remove any sins for how visually stunning The Way Of Water is.

[@Szokynyovics]

I do believe because it was so boring it didn’t deserve a sin off...

[@kaboom9081]

People can see great CGI anywhere now, its the writing that SUCKS. Long predictable preachy movie. 1 out of 10

[@absoluteunit3331]

look up almost any video character trailer and you'll see something similar or even better. Its not that impressive for the time we live in only more time consuming.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@kaboom9081💯YOU SAID IT

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Is not lol, look at that scene of Neytiri screaming is fucking clear is a 3D model, it breaks the realism the movie wants to give. And that scene with Neteyan with his hand on Loak's head, and that one whaere they fight with ao'ung and the one where Neytiri takes his fther's bow.

[@markfurlong9542]

aw, you didn't play the rest of the Simpsons clip over the scene where the whale crushes all of those people "It looks like Willy didn't make it, and he crushed our boy!" "Yuck, what a mess!"

[@babyhades5633]

FINALLY!!!! I have literally been waiting for this video for so long

[@theoptimistictabby2785]

4:07 EXACTLY, THAT’S WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING FOR MONTHS. NORM IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS. I COULDN’T STAND KIRI’S MARY SUE ASS AFTER THAT.

[@mike91mdk45]

People swore this sequel would be the greatest thing ever lol

[@cannabishornliu6119]

Visually yes... But over than that the Movie is a bit too underwhelming.

[@mike91mdk45]

@@cannabishornliu6119 indeed

[@crowdlycrow3632]

I remeber the rampage going on because people tought the re-release was the second film lmao

[@ElixoYT]

Burst out laughing at the way you said YESTERDAY at 11:45

[@crabraveclan4645]

LOL what a throwback to jaws with the song at 12:30

[@tylerhackner9731]

Was waiting for this

[@craaig9118]

Been waiting for this.. To save me watching the actual film. Thanks 🙂

[@Szokynyovics]

You had it better, this movie was a draaag, boring and uninteristing, with no lovable characters or real tension... O.o Great video, tho.

[@OkayYaraman]

Waiting for a video that nitpicks a movie you haven’t seen instead of just enjoying that movie. DING!

[@AuroraR.C]

9:33 “Jake Sully survives Neytiri in this scene” LMAOO

[@jackriptik]

I feel like the biggest plot hole is that the humans are trying to live on a planet that its impossible to breath on. Are they expecting to adapt to the planet or something?

[@chasehedges6775]

The wonders of lazy writing

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

Yes finally! Ive been waiting for this! Now please do into the spiderverse