Everything Wrong With Batman: The Killing Joke

An animated Batman movie came out this summer and many of you probably had no idea. Even so, here are its sins... and they are plentiful. Stay tuned at the end for a special bonus.
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[@nuggetwings5932]

Doctor: *poke, poke* Doctor: She'll never walk again.

[@maskedmarvyl4774]

Damn that doctor is good....

[@Cozza69]

Person:" if only bat girl was here to save us, oh that's right she is fucking crippled now oops "

[@jaylawrence8673]

Well technically I think he could tell that she was at least temporarily paralyzed because her withdrawal reflex wasn't working. But how did he know it was permanent?

[@tracytron7162]

.... He was testing her reflexes...

[@alexsierra4878]

@@maskedmarvyl4774 damn right. Heard he graduated with honors at Harvard. Thats our tax dollars at work ladies and gentlemen

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

The sex scene itself deserves 50 sins

[@bestone3448]

It's no sex In this movie

[@bestone3448]

They only show 1 second of it before the camera changes

[@theillusionaryone]

Michael Mello plus it’s actually canon in one comic series that they were together at one point as he points out to bruce that she’s about five months pregnant and bats congratulates her and dick before she tells him dick has been gone for 3 and then Batman realizes that he “screwed” up

[@aqn01]

@@theillusionaryone THATS A BRUH MOMENT HERE

[@MN_Morannon]

Which one, Batman or Joker?

[@somethingbad7157]

Batman laughing is something horrifying beyond all reason

[@andermiftari8839]

It's just unnatural for such a character.

[@Pikashades]

@@andermiftari8839 Not when we are talking about the Batman Who Laughs.

[@tracytron7162]

Something Awful yeah, Jesus Christ... they could have just made him let out a small chuckle or smile. There was absolutely no reason for him to just burst out laughing like that

[@jjkm17]

Tracytron 54321 he bursted our laughing because he understood the jokers joke

[@justan-eli9262]

@@jjkm17 no it broke him every thing he'd done led to a joke making him snap hence the title But I might be over thinking it it just sounds cool to me

[@jordansprague6427]

Of course batman has a bat-condom, batman is always prepared for every occasion... I present shark spray as evidence.

[@andermiftari8839]

Jordan Sprague sir.....you are a genius.

[@Sh1tjefferys]

Jordan Sprague Tallia Al-Ghul is laughing rn

[@lordofcalcium9806]

God bless that man

[@TheArchytech1047]

The shark was is the helicopter not the utility belt

[@DiracComb.7585]

shade necrophades I didn’t know Batman could fit a shark in a helicopter and in a can

[@54lolman]

You missed the sin where batman killed a midget

[@DavidJohnson-mo7fq]

ah, it was short.

[@b0tster]

That was indeed really odd. They show Batman throw him down a pit full of spikes and they never went back to it, it was strange.

[@RA1NBOW49]

+David Johnson you fucking saw it and you went for it. I hate you, yet respect you. Well played

[@tmix1583]

Don't know what was shorter. It's height, screen time or life span.

[@KCAssassin98]

late to the punch

[@lilsingingsensation]

Rated R movie villains censor themsleves

[@SiegeTF]

Also no nudity, more mild sexuality than Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, (which were marketed to kids), and the violence is pretty tame. So... They asked for an R rating to make it seem like it was for an older audience to explain why it had so many boring stretches?

[@Sugarspiceandeverything]

I believe the message in this movie was too adult like for little kids

[@sorchabelton8249]

Wasnt R rated where I'm from it was 15

[@Sugarspiceandeverything]

+xXL3g3NdLaloXx the message is a little too severe for little kids, they were basically demeaning batgirl, it was implied that the joker raped batgirl, she had sex with her mentor who is at least 20 years her senior, she was emotionally unstable after her affair, she got shot, the joker kidnapped her father stripped him naked and mentally tortured him, that would be adult like for kids, the message of the movie would be too much for kids to understand let alone handle, I personally didn't care for the movie...

[@Sugarspiceandeverything]

+xXL3g3NdLaloXx yes but there were multiples messages, it was the same way within the comics, however they added some things in the movie, either way this movie would be considered adult like for kids

[@haileyshannon7548]

The Killing Joke: the textbook definition of "The book was better"

[@angolin9352]

Also every Harry Potter movie after the third. Also every Harry Potter movie.

[@SirParanoidAndroid]

You mean literally almost every Allan Moore adaptations

[@TwentyFirstPilot]

Sick burn.

[@stevenmaloy8065]

Hailey Shannon same with the Percy Jackson movies

[@StandFastable]

That award is reserved for Berserk 2016/2017

[@SuaveJoker]

Dude really this movie was all over the place. They kinda wasted Mark Hamill's time

[@TheDoc377]

It did

[@egoapple5421]

there wasn’t enough Joker in it so Mark barely did anything. But when he was in it the movie was awesome

[@giantpotato3]

Yes, because the studios only pay Mark Hamill for roles in movies that the fans think are good.

[@blm2357]

STILL better than The Last Jedi

[@SarajevoKyoto]

The last half was great, they should've split this into something like Batgirl: Sleepless in Gotham and a separate Killing Joke movie with Hamill from start to finish.

[@A-Oh-Trey]

"Batgirl defeats Batman? What the hell is going o-- What the fuck!?" Aaaand you pretty much captured my real-time thoughts while seeing that scene in the theater, Jeremy.

[@briansheehan2059]

I agree they had the badass Jason Todd get his ass beat by Batman in UTRH and then he loses to Batgirl??

[@lolbryce9]

you guys think Batman would use full force fighting Barbra? Bruce didn't know Jason was The Red Hood. Allowing him to use full force because he was fighting someone who was going to kill him.

[@A-Oh-Trey]

+Bryce Carter I think he would subdue her non-lethally, but any negative feelings I had about that part were quickly overshadowed by the ones I felt over BatSex.

[@sulfur7082]

This didn't show in theaters... What was the point of lying about that anyway?

[@Ketharuil]

+SulfuR ` It had a limited theatrical release.

[@cidevant002]

Added sin: No woman ever would do ALL the physical activity that Bat Girls does without a sports bra. That is not a sports bra. It seems wired and that things can be risky. The moment the wire comes out in going to punch some lung or something. Petty as fuck, but if you are going to complain about the price of coffe I want to complain about her wearing pretty lingerie while expected to be a gimnastic in constant movement.

[@shinuyashami5595]

Hey, maybe she knew she was gonna bang Batman and wanted to look pretty, ok? Geez, can a lady not wear what she wants these days? Ugh, so triggered.

[@Mr_Deedeedoo]

do we really need to argue? though who wears nothing under a costume? (suits are like costumes but n stuff)

[@roseolivas08]

Hell, I'd argue that she wouldn't even wear an extra layer of clothing under her rubber/leather/whatever the suits are made of, and that a bra would be built in. It's more practical that way

[@CelioHogane]

+Shinu Yashami if she tough that was a pretty bra... terrible tastes she has.

[@TheHutchy01]

+Natalia Olivas This is the kind of response I like not complaing about how fanservicey costumes but instead complaining about how that would make them impractical.

[@NicoDavisPurington]

The orignal Killing Joke was about the Joker showing that anyone can go mad under the right circumstances. And he's Joker, so it had to be am amusement park

[@joshhopp6121]

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[@raptorjesus5870]

To show that he peeled off his face and stapled it to batmans and then covered his eyes and convinced the whole bat family that he had plucked their eyes out. Before then he had tortured original robin to the point of insanity and disability.

[@danielej5856]

@@raptorjesus5870 wait isn't that under the red hood storyline?

[@mellow5376]

batman banged his adopted sons girlfriend + his friends daughter, how can he get away with that?!

[@SwfanredLotr]

Don't blame it on Bruce, blame it on the shitty screenwriter

[@thedarkknightsfriend2005]

Because my friend is Batman!

[@MomoKanjaki]

Don't worry it's filler! lmao

[@averysousa7112]

Khan Kake Jokes on u, the comics have a lot of incest

[@its_derk8777]

he didn't get away with it though. once robin (Dick Grayson) found out, he punched batman in the face and became the solo night wing.

[@spacesandshark2418]

*pokes feet with a needle* "She'll never walk again." That shit made me laugh SO HARD.

[@avesatanasluciferian2398]

Why? I guess disfigurement for you is funny.

[@blogofbored3224]

+Ave Satanas Luciferian No because the fact that the doctor can poke a fucking stick in her foot and go "she'll never walk again" was funny. Not sure how you could of missed that homie

[@unwokorie1692]

+Ave Satanas Luciferian ur a dummy

[@RedDrago]

+Ave Satanas Luciferian Because poking someone with a needle is not a method of testing the state of someone's legs. THAT is what is funny. Stop being a SJW.

[@themarveldcfan3463]

She was PARALYZED, DAMN IT!

[@Thedarkassassin88]

This movie really should have started with Batgirl singing the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air theme song.

[@Squiglypig]

Nooow this is the story all about how my spine got shot, turned up-side down I'd like to take a minute just sit right there, I'll tell you how I became confined to a stupid-ass wheelchair.

[@TheEAK86]

+Squiglypig that is gold

[@adrianmanzo7916]

+Squiglypig where do you come up with this fire?🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@diegocamacho6477]

In Gotham City born and raised, Figntin' crime is how I spent most of my days, Chillin' out maxin' fightin' bad guys and all cool And all the while tryin' to bang my boss Bruce, When a couple of gangsters, Who were up to no good, Started making the moves in my neighborhood, One of them had my as a fetish and Batman got scared, He said 'All right, Barbara, you're otta this case.'

[@AlJP286]

And then I told him, that's just bull, without the shit, Then he said, "We're not equals", and that got me pissed, So then we fought, then we made out, then we had sex, all over the town, And then after what I'd call a perfect night, he stopped calling me to help him fight crime, So now I had to go through partnership loss, because I wanted to free them nasty thoughts, I caused him pain, he stayed away, I hoped I didn't turn him gay, After thinking it through at home, I called him on the Batphone, It was awkward, what can I say he took my virginity away. He said "We'll talk later", and I said "That's It" and brought me back to being pissed, And then I heard an explosion, and crash, and then I found out it was Paris the ass, So I kicked the shit out of him, until he made a joke about my period, I then I went off into the abyss, but stopped when Batman got scared and said "You're never gonna come back from it ever again", So I decided it was better to quit, before I killed someone while I was pissed, and also for putting Batman through all that shit, So after a day, I visited my dad in order to get over Batman and stop feeling bad, I heard a knock on the door thought it was my friend, turned out to be the Joker with a gun in his hand, I got shot in the uterus, couldn't stand, couldn't feel anything by the waist up, or the waist down because I got shot by a psychotic clown, And so he took my dad, stripped me off my clothes, took some picture, and called me a hoe, And then he walked up to door, turned around and said "Yo hoe, smell you later", Then I was taken to the hospital by my dad's friend, where doctors told I would never walk again, And now that I'm out of the hospital, I now live with my dad again at his place, the police I have cleaned like the accident was gone without a trace, But I still remember what happened there, and that's how I became confined to a stupid-ass wheelchair.

[@RetroNutcase]

Everything wrong with The Killing Joke: The entire first act that has nothing to do with The Killing Joke itself exists. *Infinite dings*

[@cXspXr]

it familiarizes the audience with the characters and adds depth to barbara, showing how important her's and batman's relationship is so that when joker paralyzes and rapes her, on top of trying to turn gordon insane, it'll make the likeliness that batman will be tempted to break his one rule of killing be even greater. it also shows how she became oracle which is a pretty essential thing in the batman mythos. it also adds a possible "multiple choice" origin story for the joker. the "killing" joke is that batman finally realizes he has to kill the joker and that he can't win, he can only half-win by losing that battle (killing this one time) to win the war (joker never being able to hurt anyone again).

[@johntaco861]

cXspXr I don’t really think Barbara was raped, it just doesn’t seem like something the joker would do.

[@MrGreensweightHist]

Can we take a moment to apreciate things like... The Riddler is E. Nigma Mr. Freeze is Dr. Victor Fries Harley Quinn is Harleen Francis Quinzel ....but Paris Franz is where Batgirl draws the line?

[@MrJamiesilaban]

not to be cofused with Paris, Botswana

[@Locked0Out]

Personally I've always thought it was genius that calendar man is Julian Day, and Clock King is Temple Fugate

[@MrGreensweightHist]

@@Locked0Out I'll give those credit as more intellectual references, but the entire naming formula they are using is pretty lame, imo

[@swirls5000]

Well to be fair, the Riddler changed his named to E. Nigma. His actual name is Eddie Nashton.

[@MrGreensweightHist]

@@swirls5000 That's new, relatively speaking. Not the original Riddler. But I appreciate the information as I wasn't aware they had changed as part of the 80s "New Earth" deal...I had to Google it to figure out what you were talking about. For 40 years before that, Edward Nygma was his birth name., and still is in most external projects, like the Gotham TV series.

[@magpie405]

10:53 the chemicals didn't make him go mad, everything that happened to him put together did. the entire point of this origin story is to show how one bad day can change someone forever, it's what happened to the joker, it's what happened to batman and it's what the joker is trying to do to gordon

[@thetoontastictoon1720]

interesting

[@Lone_Rocket]

All of this was to try and prove a point. That every supposedly good man, could go insane after just 1 terribly bad, bad day.

[@rishabhdhiman9422]

To clear everything about the movie being so twisted and Batman comics being this twisted, just read the comics or got to a channel "Comicstorian" and play the Batman: The Killing Joke video. In the comics the motive is explained in an extremely better manner. Also, the movie had to be sexist to prove a point and also, Joker did it to show that one bad day can make anyone go mad. On Joker's bad day his wife died with his unborn child and he fell in a vat of chemicals which completely ruined his appearance.

[@blacktee31]

Lord Bluimus They made batgirl a dumb lovesick mary-sue like Bella from twilight even though she and Batman's relationship wasn't sexual at all in the comics. They ruined her personality for the fuck of it. Batman is like 40 and she's like 22 he's old enough to be her father and is close friends with her father. Its creepy and gross.

[@luckyducky7819]

Ordinarily it isn't. Its just that Batman was always like a second father to his side kicks. Therefore, making Batgirl and Batman a couple without easing it in, or showing that they have a meaningful relationship at all will be jarring to most.

[@bryanneideffer3969]

Batgirl has sex with batman? What does dick think about that? What a cliche

[@ctpp64]

AjTheWriter LOLWUT

[@ctpp64]

AjTheWriter Batman's a piece of shit lol

[@Gxyz222]

This movie has no bat class at all.

[@afrosenshi5623]

assuming batman got her pregnant, he fuckin deserves it, it was gordon's daughter tf

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Dick was mad cause he wanted that Batman Dick

[@MarauderTwilight]

Barbara deserved better. I was all in for her getting more to do in the story other than "get shot and propel Bruce and Jim's plots" but I didn't want a whiny teenager complaining/arguing with her mentor for not sleeping with her. That's insulting.

[@clur136]

I know. She's probably my favorite dc character, especially as Oracle, and the movie did her a complete disservice.

[@Toneill029]

Yeah they genuinely did her dirty. Seriously everyone already loves her why fix what wasn’t broken.

[@privateterry2885]

She got shot in the comic and they planned her getting shot because they ended her comics before the killing joke comic came out

[@MarauderTwilight]

@@privateterry2885 I get that. I'm talking specifically Barbara in the movie, not the comic. Alan Moore didn't expect the story to be in continuity, which seems on brand for him, with the exception of Swamp Thing. Movie Barbara's additional stuff outside of what happened in the original story I felt was very lackluster for her character.

[@privateterry2885]

@@MarauderTwilight your thinking of a theory he did expect it to be main continuity

[@welly4899]

Steps on a LEGO, she will never walk again

[@DedoTN]

Understandable honestly

[@jockeyfield1954]

"she tripped over carpet, she will never walk again"

[@bandicootsauce4569]

"Batman stops off for a coffee on the way to the crime scene? What's THAT drive-thru conversation like?" I laughed so fucking hard at that!

[@BlackCover95]

Crash's Underwear From JL episode "Only a Dream": [slams down cash] Gimme a triple! NOW!

[@hubertop1247]

XD

[@griffiansword373]

Fun fact - The movie was actually two separate stories written by two separate authors! Of course, they fit together so seamlessly you'd never know.... Right? Right?

[@harlemstutter]

Brian Azzarello

[@retnavybrat]

Maybe it's different in Gotham City, but in the real world libraries don't hire teenage girls as librarians, mainly because librarians have to have a Master's degree. In other words, regardless of what we think about Batman having sex with Batgirl, it's _not_ statutory rape.

[@retnavybrat]

+Anonymous Anonymous Was Barbara's backstory changed at some point? I confess that I'm a very casual comic reader, so I may have missed a change, but the backstory I'm familiar with has Barbara employed as a librarian in Gotham City. And as I mentioned in my original post, that's not a position filled by teenage girls. The youngest Barbara should be is in her mid-twenties. That doesn't mean I'm saying you're wrong about Batman being old enough to be Barbara's father, though. I've always imagined that he was somewhere between his mid-thirties to mid-forties (depending on the comic book era), so if Batman as portrayed in _The Killing Joke_ movie was at the higher end of that age scale, he could still be old enough to be her father (roughly 20 year age gap).

[@retnavybrat]

+Anonymous Anonymous In that movie, however, Barbara's backstory was different. She wasn't the Commissioner's daughter, she was Alfred's niece.

[@heynae2016]

@Anonymous Anonymous cool!

[@bdpchamp]

Shoutout to this film for clarifying that joker is indeed *good in the sack*

[@LadyOnikara]

I thought Harley Quinn told us he was. She would know better than anyone.

[@silloweet]

Jeez I hate this movie so much

[@carlosrosa8114]

Mental unstable people tend to be great in bed

[@matthewdopler8997]

To be fair, it was a line straight from the comic.

[@mid-knight6528]

I mean, Nintendo confirmed that Waluigi isn't circumcised, so nothing surprises me anymore.

[@sahayeda5220]

I love how DC writers never agree on who can be Dick's or Bruce's lover. Like Barbara or Zatanna or whatever? It's just weird to see it change all the time.

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

I thought Bats is digging it with Diana.

[@clur136]

Really it just depends on what time the story is released (unless it's an adaptation). For Dick, hes usually with Barbara and Bruce is usually with Catwoman. Like I said though, it varies.

[@mysterywarriorcat4750]

Dick's also often with Starfire

[@BlackCover95]

To me, Bruce’s state in _Batman Beyond_ is his canonical End.

[@youkeepthinkingthat]

The only lover for Batman I accept as worth writing about is Diana Prince aka Wonder Woman. No other female character is both his anti-thesis as a hero nor is a such a well made match for his intensity. I also refuse to believe Batman could settle down with anyone that wasn't at least bullet proof without having a panic attack at the thought of being in a relationship.

[@NinthArcher]

A lot of people taking the video too seriously. Claiming they are "Nitpicking". It's CinemaSins, a comedy, nitpicking is what makes it funny. Want a serious review? then go and watch a serious review.

[@josiahaustin9606]

Usually I'm okay with it, but it felt like most of the video was nitpicking. Yes, we all hate the first act, but even in that part, the nitpicks were so frequent that the joke just gets diluted, and stops being funny.

[@DesignzRUs1]

*serious

[@MRJTD99]

Weird...if it's supposed to be funny, why didn't I laugh?

[@DesignzRUs1]

Hilarious. Thanks for editing and correctly spelling "serious" .

[@NinthArcher]

DesignzRUs1 Your welcome.

[@ProNoobGamer93]

the batsex alone should be worth 100 sins

[@kacperkrul]

I second that.

[@Shadow07Warrior1989]

Despite the fact that various comic iterations suggest and even outright show Batman and Batgirl having some kind of deeper relationship? Lol. Not a big batman fan are you?

[@victormanyeruke9997]

+Shadow07Warrior1989 tell me which ones despite the new batman adventures comics

[@VickNumber7]

+Shadow07Warrior1989 Exactly

[@TheOriginalPoon]

+Shadow07Warrior1989 what makes this movie worse for this is because they're using the same actors from TAS, in which Barbara was still more or less a kid, and Bruce is in his 40s. It just feels creepy, as it feels like this is a direct sequel to the series even though it isn't.

[@mitschcrafter6766]

I get now why the movie is called the killing joke. Because the movie is killing the Comic and it is all a big joke.

[@ghildishchambino195]

In the ending, he didn't kill the Joker. (Confirmed by Alan Moore) They just simply share a laugh together.

[@drelezar7745]

Ghildish Chambino altho Alan was commonly seen as unreliable with that as he is simply a director and didn’t make the actual story....in fact he’s simply turning a comic into a movie and somehow making it bad

[@GrilloTheFlightless]

@@drelezar7745 I may have misunderstood what you are saying, in which case forgive me, but Alan Moore was the writer of the original comic book. The director of the film was Sam Liu.

[@katrose5179]

@@drelezar7745 no, Alan made the comic.

[@leakybucket2898]

Sin the first fourty minutes' every second.

[@iamthebatman6557]

I've watched the killing joke like 10 times but everytime other than the first I skip that bit and go straight to the actual killing joke

[@ElMoShApPiNeSs]

More like 29 minutes.

[@LazzyVamples]

Yeah, I'll probably do the same on subsequent viewings, but I also understand that without it, the movie would have been very short.

[@balabanasireti]

+Abigail Archer-Addams Me too, they should have made a story that involves Batgirl and Joker.

[@doomstadt2371]

The first 40 minutes has exactly 0 to do with the original story lol. It's basically crash exposition for people who have no idea Batgirl existed.

[@nslater1388]

The problem with this..."adaptation"...is that it should've concentrated on Jim Gordon for the first half, seeing how it's him the Joker is trying to drive insane in the second. The whole Batgirl thing was stupid.

[@Jonathanlmaos]

N Slater it was the worst batman movie. I didn’t understand the batgirl and Batman thing

[@Drood.]

BobbyMicThicc Thicc If you cut out the first half it's alright.

[@Zakuzelo]

A Batmam movie even half-focused on Gordon and him dealing with all the crazy bullshit that goes on in Gotham with Batman as a side-character at most would be pretty kickass.

[@AlveinFencer]

Batman: Year One is right up your alley.

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

Bobby Bobby the direction for the actors was crap as well, a fan doing the famous monologue, in a Hamill impression from almost 10 years ago, ended up doing a better job than Hamill. That’s completely sinful in animated films

[@stu729]

Here's the one thread that makes the Batgirl story relevant (Not great, not appropriate, but relevant). Batman's whole reason for taking her off the case was that Franz got under her skin. Pushed her to a limit. Batgirl and Franz were going down the same road that Batman and Joker had already been down, and it got him thinking about who was going to kill who. Because Barbara came _that close_ to killing Franz. He didn't want Franz's murder on Barbara's conscience, and it pushed him to see Joker, because Batman didn't want Joker's death on his conscience. Even though it might have been in the end anyway, if they hadn't gone with that unnecessary post credit scene.

[@therianreyes9109]

The writers commented on the weird plot in an interview, they started with everything from the killing joke issue and realized the movie wasn't long enough so they tried adding a story from another issue they thought they could make relevant to the final plot.

[@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets]

I think I would've preferred it if they went with the collection of stories written over the years that Joker most effectively chipped away at Batman's resolve, like when Joker killed Jason among other times and Barbara getting shot happens closer to the beginning and being the catalyst for Batman's twisted trip down memory lane. Or better yet they could've killed three birds with one stone and combined the Killing Joke, A Death in the Family, and Under the Red Hood storylines which I think would all compliment each other quite well if done right.

[@sebastiancintron29]

Jesus Christ this movie was disappointing.

[@sebastiancintron29]

***** I for the most part enjoyed suicide squad. The beginning for killing joke ruined the rest of the film for me

[@sebastiancintron29]

***** Joker wasnt in the movie enough for me to say he was good enough. I need more of him. Everyone else was good for me.

[@iBloodxHunter]

Assault on Arkham You're welcome.

[@jakebryant3445]

It could've been so good but they let an overrated hack be the screenwriter.

[@EvilRyuga]

Which was a way better Suicide Squad movie.

[@johnsquarez6806]

so the reason they banged was the batmobile, right? Chicks dig the car

[@olivierpeartnoy]

This is why superman works alone

[@fransandersson4717]

Batman and robin quote nice

[@Charphie]

Nah I'll take drive through forever

[@mehkijackson2660]

I'm very mad there wasn't a reference to the "Bat Credit Card" when sining batman Stopping for Starbucks. 😒

[@FinalFlash1000]

Oho... but there is BAT CREDIT CARD!!!! Havent you seen the movie Batman and robin kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpTYnHd6ec2oj80

[@swirls5000]

@@FinalFlash1000 I think he knows.

[@Rougarou99]

Never leave the cave without it.

[@legoworksstudios1]

Batgirl can wear a bra under that? Also, who thought bat sex was a good idea? I thought this was a Joker origin story

[@jmo6603]

DC had been teasing Killing Joke for years. Finally comes out, and it's shockingly awful. Cinema Sins spot on here.

[@conmanwolf405]

If anything, the major issue is the writers decided to be utterly incompetent. The actual Killing Joke stuff is good. Everything they added was garbage. Just they added so much that the Killing Joke is a gem under a pile of crap.

[@Shotgungunshot1]

Problem is, Killing Joke can't really fit a movie. It's actually really short, especially considering the difference between a comic and a movie. In a comic you can have a fight scene last for pages, in a movie even the most OTT and bombastic fight scenes last about 10 minutes. Not to mention the simple fact that scenery needs less focus in a movie. So an already moderately short comic is made even shorter by the transition to movie. Killing Joke should never have been a full movie. It should've been either an Internet only Animated cartoon episode, or a hidden gem packaged with a feature-length DC Movie. The other major issue is that the movie has to establish Batgirl (something they did a TERRIBLE job at). When Killing Joke came around we already knew who Batgirl was, we knew her motivation, her story, her father's protectiveness, we knew it all. This move tried to establish her as a character alongside the actual story of Killing Joke.

[@jmo6603]

Agreed. I was happy, but surprised when DC said Killing Joke was next. As you said, the comic is short, so I guess in hindsight I should have figured they'd be throwing in some filler. I just didn't expect it to be that bad. Love to see them do an animated movie on Hush. Plenty of story there. I think Court of Owls is next though, which is a story I thought was great. Hopefully the movie will be the same.

[@Topzapper2]

What angers me and I'm torn about it is that they tried to make us "feel" for Barbara when she's shot. However, in my mind the intent of the shooting was to show Batman that even someone like Gordon can go insane when something bad happens. The shooting wasn't about Barbara, but Joker proving his philosophy to Batman.

[@fromolwyoming]

They already did Court of Owls. It was one of the Batman and Damien Wayne films.

[@VannaValentine]

Why are people giving Jeremy shit for acknowledging how weird this movie is towards women...? Like yeah he mentions it a bit too much but calling every line "SJW bullshit" is extremely cringe worthy.

[@shinuyashami5595]

Welcome to the Triggered fest.

[@jrpuffnstuf]

+Shinu Yashami says the 2 praising his cringe worthy SJW mentality.

[@gipsyg27]

because a if a female character sees even half of the bullshit a male character would then everyone starts screaming "WOMAN HATER"

[@VannaValentine]

Remain MaryJane You missed the point of the comment. Nobody's praising anything.

[@gipsyg27]

+Slave2thedrago >villains so bad things >they shouldn't do bad thing because she's a woman bro that's all in reading here, not trying to troll out insult.

[@LordWyatt]

“Guns stop Batmen.” Dude, have you ever SEEN a Batman film?

[@drelezar7745]

wyatt roetcisoender *a gun can HURT batman

[@swirls5000]

Or games? In Batman: Arkham Knight, the Arkham Knight shot Batman in the kidney, and Batman wasn't even affected by it.

[@Ace-dn3lw]

2:01 "hello sir, what would you like today?" One frappuccino please "Dude, what is up with your voice, are you sick or something?" Its because.. *pulls up to pick up window* I'm batman

[@joshhopp6121]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gavMhXyeg5ubhMk

[@LadyOnikara]

And most likely they would misspell his name on the cup anyway.

[@stefohohoh_mm]

@@LadyOnikara "we got a frap for.... manbat?" *actual ManBat eerily steps in *

[@JonCollins008]

Does anyone remember Mask of the Phantasm? Way better than this crap.

[@justinz.3993]

I feel you fam a lam.

[@andyt2k]

To be fair, Mask of the Phantasm is probably in the top 5 superhero movies ever, my second favorite batman story as well

[@RoosterMontgomery]

The second Joker origin, to a degree since not all of it was featured, told that discards the campy Red Hood origin and uses the more realistic Jack Napier origin. Just was the Noir tone of the film needed.

[@Fausto_4841]

That was my SHIT back in the day. I could be nostalgically biased but I think that's the best animated batman movie.

[@JonCollins008]

Belial61 You're not, it was bad ass, so yeah it was the best animated Batman movie.

[@YeagleJeff]

I think what makes the sex scene so ridiculous is Batman likely kept scowling during sex.

[@s.s.r.c.p.b.5583]

Scowl sex is the best, man.

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

"I'm not enjoying this, just so you know." Or some other tsundere shit.

[@bandicootdisliker]

+iisanulquiorrahara8 He's like "I have 20 more underage chicks to bang after so let's just move this along.

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

jetpackjesus69 If I remember correctly, Barbara is about as underaged as I am in this movie, and I can legally drink.

[@Hinasil]

I can't think of anyone more tsundere than Batman, well, maybe Aqua Man

[@rangerguy196]

“How much does this movie hate Batgirl?!” 🤣😂

[@hitomisalazar4073]

I gotta love how so many sins in this movie are about how they treated women in general and Batgirl in particularly. Because you have to know that the whole reason the Batgirl plot was added was in an attempt to make it look like she wasn't just shot in the Killing Joke to kickstart the plot. The whole "Women in Refridgerators" trope and all that. Though to be fair like a lot of things, it less that it happens to women, and more that it happens to supporting characters in general. I mean how many times does shit go down with Jimmy Olsen, or Robins (one of which I can think of got a much more horrific plot kickstart than Barbara does in the Killing Joke), etc. Just kind of the nature that anytime they want something to raise the stakes to "This is personal" they're going to go after some random member of the supporting cast. Because "The Joker kidnapped and tortured my sidekick into a demented miniature version of him over three weeks" has more narrative impact than "Random person that has never been seen or mentioned until this story got kidnapped by the Joker". But all in all they were hamstringed by the whole "We're doing the Killing Joke shot for shot" basically. Which required Barbara to get shot (And later on of course make a decent career as Oracle from it). Which because they knew they'd get shit for it, meant giving her a bigger roll. I just find it funny. It's like the Live Action Cinderella Remake. In an attempt to make something stronger, more robust, and more feminist... it ends up making the character weaker, thinner, and more of an object rather than a person. And it's not just the writers of this movie that do it. It happens far, far, far too often.

[@DantheMan-mk2lv]

"This guy has one of the most unluckiest origin story ever", Uuuuh...that's kinda the point...,

[@HandlesAreStupid11]

exactly, i hate when he does that kind of stuff

[@DantheMan-mk2lv]

+Anthony Nieves well it's just for fun it's not to be taken seriously

[@HandlesAreStupid11]

+DantheMan oh i know, i just think sometimes the sins get a little ridiculous. the videos are still entertaining, of course.

[@DantheMan-mk2lv]

+Anthony Nieves yea

[@c0cksmak]

I agree. I'm all for fun with pointing out stuff. But he seems to be forcing a lot of his sins and not even trying to understand the entire point of the story

[@brand3973]

Little known fact, Batman actually does have sex with Batgirl in the comics. However, she gets pregnant, and Batman tricks her into getting an abortion by putting her into the middle of a gang hideout without helping her, causing her to get beat so badly the baby dies. It's one of the numerous reasons Nightwing had a falling out with Batman. Also, Joker's origin story in this movie is a trick, as each flashback is Joker reminiscing about his past, and it mentions that Joker's past changes whenever he remembers it "If I'm going to have a backstory, I prefer for it to be multiple choice." Edit: Ok, I messed up. People are telling me that BatGirl had actually gone off on her own while Bruce explained to Dick that he had sex with her, all of this happening while she gets a miscarriage from the fight. Sorry, I was misinformed. Although if you want to hear more about Batman being a bad guy, I believe there's a paper written by William Kuskin that analyzes Batman, and finds out some some crazy stuff. I can't find it, but it definitely exist. Again, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to lie. There is a lot of sources questions Batman's character and ethics, so if you want to you should go looking for it.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Nope only in the DCAU

[@brand3973]

Kye Dysarthria Crap. Well I mean if it's happened in one universe, whose to say it can't happen in another?

[@angbandsbane]

Good taste. Wait, this is DC. Yeah, ok, nothing to say it can't happen.

[@animatedink2529]

.......wow......did he really do that?

[@brand3973]

Ray Muniz Yeah, and he sat in the shadows watching it. Remember, Batman basically represents Fascism, so he will do things he views as the "greater good."

[@Syntherus]

Answer: Everything that happened before the actual The Killing Joke story.

[@hedge8364]

when they remove the killing joke from netflix Me: *looks up cinema sins*

[@sonicheroxd5767]

This was an R rated movie. Hardly any cursing, minus Barbara getting shot, not much blood...I feel the ONLY reason this was R rated was just so they could include this sex scene between Batman and Batgirl. They should've included Nightwing in this movie. Personally, I'd be okay if they kept the sex scene but have Barbara have sex with Dick because it'd make perfect sense, given their history together. But with fucking Bruce?? That's just insulting.

[@elizabethbailey6807]

Oh no. Can't do that. 'We need Dick to keep hopelessly chasing after Kori.' (just in case you didn't know, Kori is Starfire.)

[@Drakhesh]

And at the same time, Dark Knight Returns , with Joker murdering people en masse, prancing around with batarang in his eye socket, neck snapping and splitting someones neck open with a broken mug gets PG-13. Guess it like in this old joke: US censorship - GORE GOOD, SEX BAD. EU censorship - SEX GOOD, GORE BAD

[@jaycewilkinson6221]

The sex scene isn't even explicit enough to be in an r rated movie

[@mekodred]

SonicHeroXD they were trying to stick to what happened in the comics.

[@bulletbill1104]

SonicHeroXD it was rated F for freaking A

[@mickypure]

Added sin 11:36 Batman kills a midget in that scene

[@Dampzombieslayer]

Fuck midgets

[@Poodlepuffs162]

OMFG IM A SMALL SQUISH (not ill) I FIND THIS OFFENSIVE F U BATMAN

[@AA-po3bh]

(Cinemasins voice) Thaaaat's racist!

[@clyax113]

Yeah, that always bothered me.

[@l1p0v]

Maybe bats doesnt consider midgets for people.

[@etazeta674]

8:59 Cinemasins: that’s some heavy ass shit for a Batman movie Me after seeing plenty of times Batman comics and movies have shown plenty of heavier ass shit, including Joker cutting off his face and stapling it back on for shits and giggles: that’s cute

[@heynae2016]

1:35 Nope, I wanted to watch The Killing Joke. Not a romantic comedy about Barb's love life and the writers trying to bring back an old trope people are probably sick of. 3:20 OH MY GOOOOOO-

[@RevWolf1776]

I give cinema sins 10 sins for not taking off sins for both Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill because they are the Batman and joker combo ever

[@knoyle4505]

Both of them being in this movie couldn't save it. That's actually just another sin on the movie's part.

[@AVAL2775]

the movie was great i dont know what you mean by save it the only bad part was the first 30 minutes

[@Fictionboy16]

Would have been nice if CinemaSins did that when they sinned Mask of the Phantasm. Hopefully TV Sins will do the right thing when they inevitably sin a Batman: Animated Series episode.

[@smiley9328]

Ey guys, this might blow your mind but... This channel is about comedy! Not proper reviews! Please take a moment to absorb this information.

[@dylaxiusmccoy]

Wait, are you telling me that he isn't being 100% serious every second of every video? Well damn, now i cant post that whiny comment i just finished writing.

[@Rbkid2008]

Smiley I don't know why people comment on sins being wrong…they're not going to re upload the video because they missed something

[@valenciaparchment8212]

Awesome finally someone who understands

[@FracturedPixels]

The comedy might be slightly more effective if he weren't grasping at straws half the time or intentionally ignoring plot points so he can make fun of how they don't make sense to him, care of the plot point he intentionally ignored.

[@jamesroby6152]

Isn't comedy...comedic?

[@someone0]

12:13 Cinemasins: so what happened did batman kill the joker etc etc Me:...well if you read the actual comic you'd know it ends the same way with the camera panning down and jokers laughing stopping

[@joshhopp6121]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gavMhXyeg5ubhMk

[@drelezar7745]

He’s sinning what everyone asks, not the movie scene itself

[@emisthem6562]

In the scene where Joker's running his hands down Barbara, you can clearly see him undoing a button - how did you miss that and sin the fact that she was found undressed when it was clear something happened?

[@ramble4395]

I think he was dining the fact that they added something so serious and horrible into a Batman cartoon. Also I agree, it’s painfully obvious what happened and it makes me hate this movie more.

[@emisthem6562]

@@ramble4395 Agreed

[@GrilloTheFlightless]

This is also in the comic book, although in the comic it’s stated that he’s stripping her for Jim Gordon’s benefit - presumably because it would help him on his way to going mad. I don’t think this necessarily means 5hat anything else happened.

[@The-Dirty-Straw]

@UCybU8KD1M1DLe1gGzG3_TGA I don't see why anyone would be pissed off, not just indifferent, but pissed off at this. This is the joker being talked about, a dude who's liked and defended, cause he's a piece of shit. I myself assumed sexual play from the comic book version. You think a weird like the joker would not take advantage of a young gal, take pics, but God forbid he lay a hand on her? I don't get it lol.

[@LegoCityFilms]

It was for the pictures on the wall though is what I though

[@stealthunter14]

I don't know why you started sinning 'DC comics' but given how their movies have been lately, it's coincidentally starting to make sense

[@Cyprienroche]

Because the "DC" stands for "Detective Comics", so adding another "comics" after is kinda weird.

[@uncreativename9936]

Also they've been sinning DC comics as long as I can remember.

[@FrenkTheJoy]

It's because DC comics stands for "Detective Comics comics". That's the sin.

[@sevenofspades3347]

I've said this before, but I've always been under the impression that DC never stood for anything. They just looked at their most successful series (Detective Comics) and used that as inspiration. So while Detective Comics did influence the initials DC, it doesn't actually stand for it. Kinda confusing.

[@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225]

+Randall Flagg I always thought I was the only one who thought that was weird. 😂

[@ananicholas9852]

That Bat sex deserved 50 sis on its own

[@deensaid7762]

Nightwing Bunny So much sisters? Incest FTW

[@squeendot1425]

Did you mean, SINS?

[@ventroxii561]

Deen Said It wasn’t incest. They weren’t related.

[@milowolfface9392]

@@ventroxii561 Despite every single animated or live interpretation of Batman and Batgirl having something of a father and daughter relationship with the accpettion of 1. Same people who made this also made the 90s Batman show where it is also the only other time they tried to push the Batman/Batgirl thing. Which was also werid as fuck as they did have the family bond thing there to, which....the fuck. Also, at the original showing at comic con of this film, when the bat sex scene came up. Every one was actually taken aback and disgusted. Yes really, that shit made it into the news. There was a whole q&a about it and that shit was the major drawback. So much so that 1 of the people behind the film was willing to fight over it. I believe he said somthing like Come up and say that to my face you pussy. In fact, check some old post from the early 2000s and the whole thing with Batman and Batgirl from the animated show was never liked by the community at large. Back then it came across as incest, because they always had that family feel to each other. Seeing how Batman brought her up. Trained her, taught life lessons and even help in her social life. The writers thought the whole hook up would of been big with the fans despite not a single 1 liking the angle since it orginally aired. Want to know why. because she was dating Dick, the first Robin. Who was basically Batmans son, so in turn he banged his sons girlfriend. Its hinted that they did fuck around behind Dicks back in the show I shit you not. If not fucked, Batman Tried to seduce her away from his son after becoming a 2nd father to her. See why no one likes this shit. It's honestly 1 of the few times writing like that has ever disgusted me. Not really, but what a fucking scummie thing to do. Or to write in a GODAMN BATMAN STORY!

[@HIERARCHYOFMEMES]

"Did you see the Carrie video?" All that does is make me want a sins video for the 2013 remake.

[@kali3665]

Let's just ignore the fact that Batman is still about 15 years older than Batgirl no matter what DC continuity you're following here....

[@davidj3841]

Aaand?

[@giantpotato3]

Kali, you just made that scene sound a hell of a lot less creepy than it actually is.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Closer to 20 if you do the math, Batman is still old enough to be her father. Green Arrow once flirted with Batgirl then realised she was a girl under the mask and freaked his shit out.

[@andreiaromanesei9270]

@@li-limandragon9287 which comic?

[@titanhades4331]

In a world that had that guy that ran Playboy and those girls that were like 70 years younger then him, this is not that creepy.

[@kingofmonsters14]

all Warner Bros had to do was adapt the dang book. that's it. instead, they turned it into something mediocre.

[@newsance2u]

Funny enough the second half is a complete adaption to the letter the only reason the whole Batgirl thing was included was to put more time so it would be a legitament movie

[@michaelthilges2604]

kingofmonsters14 it wouldn't be long enough for a movie

[@NervousNecromancer]

i agree fully. spending time to build barbera and bruce's relationship WAS a good idea but man, oh man was it executed poorly to a downright insulting degree.

[@pillcosby3894]

The only reason I like this is to hear Mark hamill read the one bad day speech

[@broadwaybutterfly310]

So much about this movie offends me

[@savageshot3723]

Why? It's a great movie

[@stanislausklim7794]

@@savageshot3723 the first half was unnecessary, or at least had nothing to do with the second half

[@clur136]

I hate how they treated Barbara. She's one of my favorite comic characters and the movie completely destroys her chcracter.

[@coreymay918]

when the Joker says "learn this song and dance bymidnight or else!" you do it.

[@creamnandez4099]

Coffee in Gotham city is as expensive as the coffee in the lego movie

[@lainwarisa]

lol true

[@mehmzay3022]

4:41 "ITS NOT THAT TIME OF THE MONTH AT ALL" proceeds to beat him mercilessly

[@gretchenhangleton9603]

Okay, I had to go dig out my copy of Killing Joke to see if I had somehow forgotten this whole Batgirl angle, and nope, no Batgirl story in there. Did that happen in some previous comic, or did they just make it up for the movie?

[@joeljoshyjoeljoshy7823]

it was a different story from a different authour

[@JadePlayer2]

In Killing Joke Barbara Gordon is shot and stuff, and she is the batgirl. The first half of the movie is ... unusual... but nonetheless Batgirl is in the Killing Joke, and her becoming paralyzed later leads to her becoming The Oracle.

[@ItsXetren]

@@averysousa7112 Jesus fucking christ, do the people who write this shit hate Batgirl or something. That's like, way overly darker than it needs to be.

[@BnDckn]

Avery Sousa The creators said and made it very clear that Joker didn't rape her. (This is from another comment with a good point) look at Harley Quinn for example, she is oversexualised and when she comes onto the Joker he always rejects her

[@noodle_knight]

When bad stuff happens to Barbara Gordon: "That's just too far" When similar bad stuff happens to Jason Todd: "Yeah, and..."

[@happybobjr1]

did you just sin Batman for carrying something to neutralize acid???? You questioned why the Dark Knight has a neutralizer on him while trying to stop the joker who consistently uses acid???

[@happybobjr1]

Also Batman doesn't Fucking kill....

[@KayQue404]

+happybobjr1 he has killed though

[@pingaspearce9403]

+A BabyBackRib Not with intent though.

[@Seansi]

+Pingas Pearce no, after Jason Todd died he went all 'fuck it' and started to kill.

[@pingaspearce9403]

Seansi Yeah after that though he didn't kill again, hence why jason todd was angry for him not killing the Joker to avenge him. If he started killing after that it wouldn't make sense for jason todd to be angry at him.

[@jamesquirk8758]

By far the worst Batman I've ever watched.

[@theindifferentindividual1106]

Worse than Batman & Robin?

[@pichu2468]

THat movie is so damn fun!!!

[@Wol1427]

+Taste and decency yes

[@restlessentertainment9760]

+Taste and decency Bruce Clooney and Horny Idiot vs Cold Cock the Pun Guy was a Batman movie!?! Holy shit...

[@sorchabelton8249]

Worst batman he'd ever saw not worst cartoon

[@melware1372]

Batman: *ruining lives left and right by letting the Joker live and beating the shit out of thugs* Also Batman: No Barbara killing is bad something something abyss

[@fistofthebrownstar]

3:25-3:33 clearly sir you have never experienced the pleasures of a full body latex suit if your asking this. Credit where credit's due though she took that top off way to easy. She must have cornstarch the hell out!

[@Kawaiikate01]

Batman was unaware of his surroundings because he was distracted by his love for Batgirl. Which is silly, but the batmobile still should have detected the missile.

[@Kawaiikate01]

Also, I have never laughed so hard in my life!

[@BaalBlade]

This version of Batman is very clumsy. He lost to Batgirl in fist fight, let her get her way. He got ambush multiple times, they downgrade him to spotlight Batgirl. This is an insult to Batman mythology, especially Arkham Batman.

[@KhalainBear]

It wasnt Wrath of Khan, it was Search for Spock, +1 sin CinemaSin :P

[@Hinasil]

"Craig Harborne would be good at CinemaSins" *ding*

[@1971mav]

You got it before I did.

[@dfroster4014]

One comment has 6 likes. The other has 9 likes. 69

[@BridgeEntertainment2001]

What?

[@BridgeEntertainment2001]

What?

[@yashshetye721]

There is no Sanity clause, its just ur dad in a suit!!🤣🤣 Am i the only one who LOLed at that?

[@ismailabdelazim2206]

I can sin anything but the ending scene that shit stayed true to the comic man

[@VideoGameLova1]

"I don't think they could plug a computer in their ass." ... What... is that even supposed to mean?

[@darenabryant9100]

I'm pretty sure it means people's asses don't have sockets you can plug your computer into.

[@VideoGameLova1]

Darena Bryant I mean in relation to what he said directly before that.

[@captainmichaelj.caboose1777]

VideoGameLova1 I have no idea I think Paris wanted to try and plug a computer up someone's ass

[@rhorkerichey5558]

I think they just wanted to say ass in the movie videogamelova1

[@ColonelPeppers]

Film production companies should hire CinemaSins to review their movies before release, to catch any sins and correct them.

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

But, no movie is without sin.

[@c0cksmak]

Honest trailers are better critics

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

***** 👼👼

[@bookfound]

There is no way that would work.

[@StrikerMk2491]

continuity errors

[@moaningconservatives1616]

We don’t know what happened At the end because that’s how the comic ended

[@orestis9575]

this was one of youre funniest videos lmao!!! especially the part where you make a fool of the "because im batman quote"lol!!

[@thebrownboi5443]

ah, it's a decent animated adaptation of one of the greatest batman comics of all time....at least, the last 40 minutes are

[@7or7Channel]

exactly

[@patriziokosmos1952]

20 min

[@matrixmdog]

no its all bad

[@dragoneye2874]

yep

[@virgin5415]

+Patrizio kosmos 40*

[@hadesbutmortal]

9:03 Wait a minute. "Some dark stuff for a Batman story"? Batman is probably one of the darkest comic book universes.

[@dylancross1039]

Christina Nightraven More edgy than dark

[@TwentyFirstPilot]

Batman was made to be THE Dark superhero. You know, Dark Knight and all.

[@shawmiserix2839]

Christina Nightraven indeed

[@nolan2655]

Doesn’t deal with paralyzing and then raping someone often

[@grantwalter2243]

2:02 Batman actually did this in TAS. I dont remember the episode but the villain was someone who was attempting to induce sleep so Batman just stops at a coffee shop and Kevin Conroy says “I need a triple.... NOW!!” It was one of the funniest moments of the showz

[@Awestefeld6612]

Actually it was in the Justice League. The episode where they fight Dr. Destiny. Znd yes that scene was very funny.

[@kukuhindustanigamer3663]

It was Justice league season 2

[@NestedVideoProductions]

10:07 Guns stop Batman?!! Before every fight they usually waste time unloading their guns at him until they realize they’ve done nothing. The henchmen actually do more damage with their fists because they land a lucky shot on his chin here and there.

[@lillykoroluk6620]

The sin he gave at the end was bullshit, The ending was supposed to be eerie as fuck and leave the reader or the watcher confused. It's not supposed to make sense.

[@darthnightmare7529]

So right. If he didn't read The Killing Joke then he should have so he could understand this story. Seems like them and Screen Junkies have been shit lately. CinemaWins are awesome though.

[@darthnightmare7529]

Slave2thedrago not really I've enjoyed them the way i enjoyed CinemaSins in the beginning

[@darthnightmare7529]

bigevilworldwide1 when did he say that

[@Slayer_Jesse]

He never reads source material for anything.

[@darthnightmare7529]

Ivo Robotnik Sorry but the whole fucking point is too cause confusion and conversation about whether he killed Joker or not.

[@samueldoesstuff1771]

The beginning half was an attempt to hide the fact that Batgirl was just a plot device used by Alan Moore, it should never have been included, the last half is completely loyal to the source material and great

[@corentin2638]

Powergirl is a different version of the character from another earth. Oracle is just Batgirl.

[@SarajevoKyoto]

@@TwentyFirstPilot Supergirl and Power Girl are two completely different individuals, to the point that in some continuities they're not even from the same dimension.

[@morihol8951]

I hate the fight seen between Batman and joker in the movie. Like wtf with the upside down room?? And some of the best joker lines were missing in the movie as well :/ They should have stricken with the comic a lot better.

[@samueldoesstuff1771]

Morriholly 20 Yeah Joker's monologue was so great in the comic and they shortened it for the movie.

[@williamgreene590]

@@SarajevoKyoto The only time the two werent considered the same person was briefl in the 90s and early 2000s. They retcont the dc universe and got rid of super girl as a character because they wanted superman to be the last kryptonian so both the super girl and power girl of that era werent kryptonians, they were humans who had magical powers. Around 2005 I think they realized that was dumb and reintroduced super girl and made powergirl her earth two version again which was the original idea of the character

[@ZarakiKempachi]

Dude, I don't know why I ever stopped watching your show. It always cracks me up when I'm down. Thanks!!

[@PhirePhlame]

The original Killing Joke comic was created in 1988. 1988 - 50 = 1938.

[@BlackCover95]

The movie clearly takes place ca. 2016, even if the source material did not.

[@bognarandras8398]

Absolutely bad Batman animation. There are dozens of superior works, even decades before it.

[@crownofroses2754]

Agreed!!

[@dmbjunky]

It was very uneven. Some good parts but the bad stuff sticks out like a sore thumb and taints the rest.

[@deadpoolrockz6410]

this was not as great, but I think Son of Batman, Batman Vs Robin and Batman bad blood were slightly worse

[@dmbjunky]

***** The anime I've watched has all been very uneven as well. Anime is notorious for having very good sections and then parts where characters are very still and only their mouths move.

[@deadpoolrockz6410]

+dmbjunky what anime have u been watching?

[@Captain__Harlock]

My real issue with this movie was it was barey a PG-13 movie at best. I mean they say Mother F and crap. I think they said shit once. They came out and said it'd be a hard R but there was no nudity, barely any cursing, and it was almost like watching the original BTAS. Which I love but they pushed this as some gritty mature movie but its not. My second gripe is the one people have the most to complain about. WTF is up with them getting Babs and Bruce to F-? I don't remember that happening, ever. In fact Barbara was Dick's girlfriend, that would have caused issues lol. Also she just up and quit being Batgirl? Again not in the comics and it makes it kinda pointless.

[@Captain__Harlock]

***** Dude did you not pay attention? It was practically shouted at us by WB, I was blasted with videos with the news that it was going to R rated movie. A mature animated movie. Again this is not what we got. I mean hell the original comic had way more than what they showed

[@methylphenidate1270]

i guess it got its R rating because they """"referenced"""" rape

[@majorlydifferent771]

Captain Harlock it is in the comics

[@FerretsForever94]

Batman and Batgirl never banged in the comics.

[@sasharichardson9127]

That one part with the computer plug still gets me. I think I saw around the time it came out and this was golden just like the one on "It Follows" and "Insidious." No matter how terrifying the movie, his commentary and voice is off the hook. I should stop commenting all the time. You know what I'm going to stop right now. (Still comments on this video after all this time and on the other video on "It Follows.").... Oh, and that part where Batgirl and Batman...... well, you know..., his voice made me laugh so hard. This is one of his best...

[@jockeyfield1954]

the good part about the killing joke: barbara getting shot, joker's origin the bad part about the killing joke: literally everything else

[@firatabuleyla473]

You've got a great story. You've got great voices. But you made a shitty movie somehow.

[@firatabuleyla473]

by the way, the story of The Killing Joke comic book ends like exactly in the movie. They really laugh and the end.

[@sandrogabrichidze8377]

+Firat Abuleyla thank god some1 knows this!!

[@nrnrn999]

The whole first part just seems like a cringefest. You have Barbara's 'real world problems' with her cliche gay best friend, you have some dumbass generic bad guy who just has to be sexist because his rival is a girl, then you have Batman having sex with Batgirl for... some reason? Just... so much cringe. It feels like it was written for edgy teenagers, a la Suicide Squad rather than a reasonable audience.

[@thiagodunadan]

Except that Batman kills the Joker in the comic book.

[@warrenrhinerson6373]

+Thiago Monteiro no he doesn't. It's implied but never confirmed.

[@bluerevolvur2711]

"Jesus do these writters fucking hate women" Umm did you just assume her gender???

[@darkfightlight1939]

her!? Did you just assume that person gender!?

[@Shadow07Warrior1989]

When there are prominent boobs and the distinctive lack of a package between the legs, there's no "assumption" to be made. It's a woman. Also, you took the words out of context. "The Joker shoots Barbara right in the uterus." That's an important part of that line, and when taken in context it doesn't leave room for "assumption" anymore than my first point.

[@Przemko27Z]

+Shadow07Warrior1989 Shut up you fucking homophobic racist!

[@danielcastaneda4975]

if the writters were women they could hate women anyways

[@luizmarinho6138]

Person?? Did you just assume it identifies as human?

[@hunterwilder9665]

3:42 Knowing Jeremy, he’d switch places with that gargoyle in a heartbeat

[@christophergroenewald5847]

U do know that if ur leaping across rooftops and swinging on grapple hooks it's logical to connect that phone to ur earpiece

[@agrumbler2872]

The problem with the Batgirl story is (aside from the fact that it feels so thematically and tonally different from the second act) that it feels like it was written by men who had very limited ideas about what women do in their spare time...e.g try to set eachother up on dates, or wistfully watch couples from a window. Instead of Batgirl getting an undiluted Batgirl story, she gets a Sex and the City/Sandra Bullock-esque romance with intermittent action scenes. I think CinemaSins is right about no women being involved in the writing. Regarding 9:05, Barbara Gordon wasn't raped. They posed her and took photos of her while she was naked. This, although not rape, is still sexual assault. And the ending (where the beam of light is turned off), at least in my interpretation, symbolises Batman's giving up hope on reforming the Joker and accepting the reality that eventually, he'll be forced to kill him.

[@CJTheInvader]

Of course all they really show of batgirl is her relationship with batman, it's a batman movie, not a batgirl movie, not even a documentary that's supposed to show the daily life of all women everywhere like you and a few other people seem to think for some reason. The entire purpose of the first act was to make her shooting hit harder for people who haven't really read the comics, then get to the batman bit people actually paid to see. She is not the main character, an "undiluted batgirl story" was not the goal.

[@Darkkan13]

+CJTheInvader yes but why did she need a sexual relationship with barman. Are you saying batman wouldn't care if they didn't have sex. I thought the sex scene was actually very awkward and the movie could have done without. I think they either should have gone in and make them have a relationship or just treat her as a friend/colleague. I actually liked most of the movie and the ending. just not the beginning and that part.

[@CJTheInvader]

Darkkan13 True, I agree with that, I think it was a very clumsy attempt to make her crippling have more meaning to batman, even though their relationship was always more father/daughter than anything else. It's actually pretty gross.

[@gtf234]

It is by far the creepiest thing they could have done to try to make Babs be well, important, to the plot considering Batman's relationship with Jim. But that's also the core problem with the movie I'd say- it tries too much to make Barbara relevant and important, when The Killing Joke is much more about her father then her. It's a story about Joker trying to prove a point to Batman that anybody can be turned into somebody like himself with just one really bad day, and decided that man was going to be Jim Gordon- putting aside the B-plot of the Joker origin story of course. She was never important to the story other than another way to torture Jim. Add in that this is set not long after Death in the Family, so Batman is already on nerve regarding Joker targeting people he's close to. I can understand feeling the need to up her role more to make her less of a plot device, but she was originally already retired from Batgirl and this was the sickest way to do it. It grossly overcompensated to the point where it's taken the story away from Jim.

[@CunnyMuncher]

+CJTheInvader "These people call me the Dark Knight, but you can call me the Dark Daddy" But to be on topic, not every woman does the same exact thing as another, that's the point. That's like saying, "You can't write an American person eating burgers and fries at mcdonalds daily", despite it being an actual thing some Americans do. And afaik, the writer for The Killing Joke is a male, so even still he wasn't at that much of an advantage to know what specific crime-fighting woman does with her spare time.

[@jmantime]

Next - Everything Wrong With Boku no Pico

[@voldemortsshampoo4551]

oh my god that would be hilarious

[@Beriorn]

That would just be 10 minutes of non-stop DING sounds.

[@tevinescobar7780]

*is

[@TheImmortalBurger]

Gtfo weeaboo. I have no clue what that is but I can already tell by the name of it

[@MilkIsMilkisMilk]

Beriorn it would not be that because last time i watched the only thing that made it bad was pedophilia ...

[@MrJreed1000]

3:37.. I thought their outfits were armored futuristic synthetic fibers or something... this just looks like a shirt she got from t.j Maxx....

[@davidortega9717]

A simple fix to the beginning of this movie? Have Gordan get kidnapped with batgirl going after him and almost kills one of the thugs in her rage. Then Batman scolds her for being reckless and then she shouts, "How would you know what it's Li-" then gets cut off when she remembers who she's talking to under that mask. How Bruce actually had to sit there and WATCH his parents get murdered. Which then gets bat girl to come around to his side and accepts that maybe she isn't ready mentally for this type of job and wants to mature a bit more. Leaving her to retire from being bat girl for a bit and how she will always still be there to help batman in anyway she can. Which would be a sad note to leave on knowing what's about to happen in the killing joke, when she becomes oracle.

[@james739123]

and in 122 words you fixed an entire movie

[@Army_of_Me]

Perfect !