Ex-Gay Undercover

[@GabS-o1m]

Hate dressed in religion is just hate. 🙌🏼 Btw I’m glad you’re doing well!

[@veritasviking]

True. But it is a good thing that some religions are progressive. Like the episcopal church. I heard out one Methodist church refusing to perform heterosexual marriages until same sex marriages became legal in their state. I'm not religious at all but am glad some religions are progressive.

[@Georgie3463]

John Becker you are beautiful. Stay that way.

[@ICU306]

Do you want to know how many times I prayed to god to change me! 131 times!! IT DIDNT WORK!

[@oscarpalacios7915]

It didn't work cause you didn't have faith. Believe in Jesus Christ and anything is possible.

[@aszleco]

Niazkilam, I probably prayed about it hundreds of times as well and God's answer was very different from what I had been expecting. It's a long and gradual process, but you'll be glad to be in it. If you want to know more, message me back. May God give you hope and bless you this week!

[@debbielovefearn2031]

Oscar please be quiet you have no idea what your talking about. Most all of us gay people t r died to pray away the gay and had faith.

[@oscarpalacios7915]

Debbie LOVE Fearn Sure, I can see your faith. Your response tells me 2 things, you had no faith then and you don't have faith now. Stop making excuses for your sins. Change your evil ways and find your way back to God.

[@Nexils]

Oscar Palacios I tried but it didn't work, just like all the others. I think God wanted me to stop fighting it and live a peaceful, happy life with my sexuality. And it worked! I've never felt more happy than before. I'm sure that's what God wanted me to do: to live happily with faith and accepting myself as who I am.

[@klimber10001]

I believe the therapist is in that position because he enjoys hearing the stories..

[@laurencewilson8210]

Of course it is the only way they get their kicks.

[@yesterdaydream]

The word "spokescouple" warms my dang heart.

[@Chanelle208]

You're saying that a straight person can be turned gay too?

[@ZER0--]

I tried to pray myself bisexual so I could then have twice as much sex. It hasn't worked yet, so if y'all could pray for me then I would be very thankful. If that doesn't work I'll pray to be a lesbian next.

[@laurencewilson8210]

I can use some electroshock therapy of some kind?

[@sasharowe]

How's it going lol?

[@joec5363]

What really sucks about this whole homosexuality debate is that both sides can be argued to be lying. Those who say that they are ex-gay may just be faking it or even deluding themselves. Those who say that ex-gay therapy doesn't work could be dismissing cases where change is successful. I think its hard to NOT get misled in this whole debate.

[@2Brian]

I wish that every LGBT person could be as courageous and exemplary as John Becker. This is inspiring.

[@paveegypsy]

Feminism says that the gender roles, dress, manner and work is entirely socially constructed. If a trans person says they have an innate need to conform to one of these roles they are inferring that such a need is innate in all people. In a feminist ideal world, there would be no difference between the dress and mannerism of women and men, including hair and make up etc. So transgenderism in its need to stereotype gender is against this notion

[@bossyspaghetti]

Wayne Besen is such a badass! He always schools those fuckers so hard!

[@ANameInHeavenMin]

I am so happy that you have found self love and peace as you walk threw this circle of life. Love Rickie

[@blackhistory2927]

Who are you to become a roadblock to someone else who wants to change their sexual orientation and to the people who want to help them? Just because of your own fears and doubts. This is not right. You have a right to live a gay lifestyle just as others have the right to change their lifestyles without being persecuted by those who are complacent in their lifestyles.Your lifestyle is not a one style fits all.

[@AWWx2]

Just had to watch this video again. Saw it when it "came out" a few years back. I watched some of Zach Wahls' videos, too from back then. My how times have changed for the better for so many people in the USA over the past few years. Thanks, John Becker, for making this expose' with T.W.O., Truth Wins Out.

[@paveegypsy]

It then must also follow that gender is innate. If gender is innate modern feminism is thus undermined as such a truth would infer that gender is a social construct. If gender is a social construct, what is it that a transgender person needs to "become"? Do they have biological needs to fulfill a socially constructed role? If gender is innate, then it follows that there is actually an innate difference between men and women and therefore innate strengths and weakness'. This is anti-feminsm

[@tonyburgessful]

So what r they supposed to do! Cover their eyes every time they see a sexy guy.

[@Missytrilakes]

keep up the good work!

[@JohannSings]

I lived as a gay man since I was 18 and I am now 49. I did for many years pray and have shame over my sexuality. Finally just recently I finally gave control over to God to change my sexuality if that was his will. That was the first time I actually whole heartedly and freely was open to letting him change me. Honestly I had seen videos of people saying that they had changed and I just thought they were dillusional or faking it. So what was my first step....I decided to become celabate. I can honestly say....I now have very little if any sexual attraction to men anymore. Now, let´s be clear.... I am not straight by any means... and I do not know what God´s plan is for others but I can tell you that this is what happened to me. I was very lonely as a gay man. I never felt good enough, thin enough, masculine enough, rich enough, just enough. I never had friends in the community and I never felt I belonged. Please do not think I judge anyone because nothing could be further from the truth. I just wanted to share my story in case anyone was interested. As my spirit has changed in my walk with God I feel so much different and I can feel the Holy Spirit within me. I get excited talking about God and it is what worked for me. A lot of gay people think they are not worthy of God´s love and that is just a lie from the devil. I love you and so does he. If like me your are unhappy... just if... if you wanna try something different....not pushing you into anything.... but if you were like me.... maybe you too will choose to do what I did. (-:

[@quokka1831]

DUUUUDDE! I was thinking the same thing. I watched a video about Josue Gutierrez and he mentioned how he used to struggle with his sexuality and then with prayer and fasting he got delivered. He gave me hope, but I was skeptical to be honest. Then I saw a video about this youtuber called Jackie Hill Perry and she mentioned how although she is in the faith, her temptation is still there, so that made me less hopeful. I've been trying to be determined. I read the bible and try to get stronger in the faith and see what happens along the way. I'm 25. I never really celebrated my sexuality because I was afraid of being outcasted and deep down I did not want to be what I thought I was because no one ask to be gay. who want to be hated by society, by your (my) family. Also, another reason I never celebrated it is that I wanted children. In the past I thought, sexuality is natural. It's a spectrum and you can't change it. You know society say you're born this way, but I want to see if I could change. What comforting is that I see that I'm not the only one with this struggle.

[@quokka1831]

@@JohannSings don’t have Fb. But I have ig

[@JohannSings]

@@quokka1831 I don't have IG. No Facebook? Awe man. FB is all I use. My generation hasn't embraced the whole IG thing yet.

[@ArianaLang.]

Why do people care who other people love? "Hey!!! You can't love him!!!" "Why not?" "He has brown hair!!!! Are you crazy? That's a sin!!!!" Ok, don't go to the wedding.

[@yuu5974]

ariana67890 exactly what I’m saying.

[@Anything4adollar]

why do people care??? Because there is either a dollar to be made or somebody is jealous...its not Rocket Science knucklehead

[@noliberalismeveragain]

... Because there's no such thing as gay it comes from abuse from the parents and it's an abomination...

[@tyler496121]

I was raised in a Christian home in fact my dad is Baptist preacher and I had a miserable life growing up and thought of suicide many times but that was also a sin so I was stuck, finally one day I could not take it any more, I prayed my whole life that God would make me straight and he never did so finally I asked God three things 1. make me straight 2. kill me 3. or make me accept my self, as soon as i said amen it was like a calm came over me like I have never felt before and it was like God put his hand on me and said this is how I made you dont hate yourself, ever since that day I have been so happy and enjoy life and am married to my husband, being gay IS NOT a choice or a sin, these people that preach hate are going to have alot to answer for when they die.

[@GabS-o1m]

tyler496121 Be yourself my dude. I believe God loves us all regardless of gender identity and sexual orientation. People just want to use religion to justify their own hate and judgment. There’s nothing wrong with you. Glad to hear you’re doing well! ❤️

[@Rodan727]

God bless its orientation But I hope it's not sin but that's not gonna stop me from believing

[@zisforzoo16]

That's true, I was just talking about my past experiences in my life :) and thanks for the advice, I really do need to focus on the positive more. :)

[@ANameInHeavenMin]

Dear John, Thank you so much for the insight. I believe anyone can attain God's love and salvation. I believe most people are basically good and loving when given the right tools and opportunities to express and show their humanity. God bless you for your work. God bless the Lgbt Community. Love Rickie

[@undignified2843]

"I believe most people are good".... you need to read the Bible again, if that's your take away you've learned nothing. Genesis 3 refutes exactly your world view. Align your worldview with God.

[@DorianPaige00]

How would they categorize or attempt to change me? I'm a male to female transgender who is attracted to extremely feminine woman.

[@derekwalker5779]

"Trust your feelings, Luke" (Obi Wan Kenobi) Feelings are the only really trustworthy experience in life, without them we are nothing more than a complicated mechanism.

[@1978Prime]

Why be that skeptical ? , there are ;lots of ex gay people around who are glad to leave that lifestyle behind.Of coarse hes not going to get anything from it if he went there with an agenda instead of legitimately going there for help. And yes, God can change anyone if you let him, its not just a formula of just simply, " praying something away ".

[@GabS-o1m]

God doesn’t need to change them though. Ex gay people are either not really gay or just suppressing their feelings.

[@BiscuitsTomatoesPotatoes]

If all true sexuality that is natural is unchangeable, you curse and damn a man to lie to himself and destroy his life, Will you and the Church take responsibility if God stand’s before you saying you were wrong? I am gay but am celibate in part because it’s worth it for God, but how will you respond to God if he tell’s you that you and the churches actions and words, forced men like me to forever doubt if we could afford love with the same sex? When we men and women do not have any attraction to the opposite sex. So you and the church would best be prepared for an answer to God if you are wrong. And consider how you treat us, you prepared to handle the damage you and the church has done to even “ex” gays?

[@lance694]

Lol, no there aren't and no he can't.

[@bolewis455]

BRAVO!BRAVO! John Becker.I think it is a wonderful thing that you did.When I was younger I tried to cut the lesbian away.I am also catholic.I believe that you are saving gays and lesbian from commiting suicide.I believer that God and Jesus loves us all. I am firmly believe in my catholic faith and I am also a lesbian.I feel God and Jesus's love all the time.Keep up the wonderful work.GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND. :)

[@paveegypsy]

If people wanted to make such courses they would be allowed to do so.The truth is that regardless of your beliefs- Christians for the most part disagree with homosexuality and they have as much right to do this as a gay man does to have sex

[@Richard-vq7ud]

Im Catholic too and i think im going crazy frm stumbling on catholic you tubes. Im feeling depressed. Im scared to death of both courage and hell. Courage seems to found a loophole to the reparative therapy and made chastity the new conversion therapy. Do you have any insight into Courage? Im really scared of that apostolate. The Church is teaching that its ok to be hungry as long as you dont eat and its ok if you have wings, just don't fly. Because if you eat or fly you are in mortal sin and God will reject you not because you are hungry or have wings but because you ate and flew. To help myself, i have been watching you tubes of "BA" or "Birds Anonymous" when Sylvester got suckered into going against his own nature....and look how that turned out!

[@ducttapeheart]

Are you still Catholic?

[@Richard-vq7ud]

@@ducttapeheart why you curious?

[@October31st1517]

You do realize that there are people who have same sex attractions that do not want those desires. where will they go to get help. Remember, they do not want these desires.

[@GabS-o1m]

October31st1517 self-love and acceptance is the cure. No one wants to feel that way because it’s a harder life. And religion has made them feel like there’s something wrong with them. All it does is cause shame and fear.

[@34roberees]

If ever there were something like god from the bible, everyone would be condemn. He made men and women to live in very different way than we do now. He created us to walk, to hunt for our food, to be naked, etc. He did not create cars, clothes, malls, money, etc. etc. etc. LOL fanatic fundamentalist religious people are the funniest thing ever.

[@paveegypsy]

But if wanting to be part of specific group based on gender is innate, that would infer that the groups themselves being separate are innate. This would then also mean that there were innate differences in men and women. Gender based clothing, manners, roles etc are all things which even moderate feminism believes to be a product of the patriarchy and thus a symptom of oppression. Transgendered people encourage such stereotypes.

[@ExgayNews]

Studies are not conclusive on why sexual attractions change.

[@Adrian3gotrip]

wasnt he in that movie the prodigal son?

[@f0rml3ss]

Lmao south park. Accountabilibuddy!

[@avagage1]

Gay sex is wrong according to the bible but being gay is not sinful if not acted upon.

[@Team503]

lewis irvine Take your evil religion and keep it to yourself. Haven't you done enough harm?

[@kennedysexton3679]

-_- stfu

[@ZER0--]

+lewis irvine So god makes a person have sexual feelings but for their whole life they can't have sex? I have a slave for sale if you'd like one.

[@paveegypsy]

You know one thing is America is a free country and some people disagree with being gay and think God can heal it. If people think that they have every right to believe anything they wish. Just because some people are liberal does not mean everyone has to be

[@GabS-o1m]

Pavee Gypsy dude you must love commenting on this video.

[@paveegypsy]

So based on what you said should the females who have the disorder be tested and treated psycologically because the number is low of those having an innate brain based problem rather than a psychological problem

[@PluckySmurf]

Very touching conclusion. : )

[@tanyasimmonds1817]

Unfortunately, the book that your faith is founded upon does not share the same sentiment.

[@johnhoback8698]

I love this video! Reminded to accept myself and not this to all the negative bullshit out there! Fuck all these bigot's I am so sick and tired of this kind of judgement and I'm am so happy for you and your husband and so glad you got past all the bullshit! Sending love and hugs! :)

[@veritasviking]

Kudos to Mr Becker. be happy with who you are.

[@vorpal22]

Amen, girl!

[@tanyasimmonds1817]

I commend you on your compassionate viewpoint. However, as an honours graduate of Theology, I fail to find anything in scripture that endorses homosexuality. Jesus didn't mention it, but Leviticus prescribed that practitioners should be stoned to death, and Paul asserted that they will be cast into eternal fire (along with just about everyone else.) It is these passages that I find sadistic and evil, and you are a clear example of someone who doesn't need the Bible to be compassionate.

[@michaelscott5155]

Jesus is always the answer. Running away from him will only lead you down a road of hatred.

[@paveegypsy]

No you are right- it is not only innate- it is also partly social but there is an innate element to it which feminism does not acknowledge. There is also the issue of evolutionary psychology which is related to the last point. If there have been tests that are peer reviewed and genuinely prove that some transgender people have innately different brains which are similar to females then that is fine. Do you think that they should test individuals to see if it is innate or purely psychological?

[@nicholasacardona]

Wait, the catholic church promotes being emo to cure being gay? What the hell?

[@tanyasimmonds1817]

Christianity - brutal, sadistic cruelty, willful ignorance, and deeply traumatizing tyranny - disguised as LOVE!

[@paveegypsy]

I agree that in as far as the state goes they should have no right to interfere with peoples sexuality- but I think all western countries stand by that. The issue is people who are free agents from the state choosing to believe certain things and even promote them. People are not required legally to believe these people but they must be allowed to be free in their own beliefs. It is actually bigoted to try to force everyone to accept that homosexuality is natural and innate.

[@emmaduncan2991]

the "therapist's" weird combover is distracting...

[@paveegypsy]

Would you agree with the evidence and scientific tests that show that the desires of each gender towards certain clothes, toys and so forth are in fact innate and not socially constructed? If they are innate, then there is no problem labeling certain things, mannerisms and clothes feminine and masculine- but a majority of feminists will disagree. In Sweden, one school does not permit the words " he" or " she"

[@tonyburgessful]

I guess they have to endure.

[@reprovoa2408]

"anti-gay religious extremists" Oh ok.

[@yuu5974]

Reprovo a that is what they are

[@paveegypsy]

thats from an evolutionary standpoint which secular world basically believes. That is not my personal belief because I believe in God but that is what the evolutionary position on how it works

[@ANameInHeavenMin]

Good News For The Lgbt Community With Rickie Bartlett

[@mercylindamidtanggal4558]

GOD BLESS U ALL!!Ameen..

[@vorpal22]

Your link doesn't work, and I can't find any mention of those statistics using Google. I completely disbelieve your claim, but if you can back it up, please do so.

[@yojoeo9067]

Life can also be beautiful bring straight, and being able to have kids.

[@gerald9547]

yojoe O you’re acting like gay ppl can’t have kids

[@GabS-o1m]

Not every straight person can have kids either.

[@mrmikeindevon1080]

I think it's possible gays can be straight. I say this as it's possible to change what you are attracted to. I used to as a young child be attracted to brunette women the most but during early teenage years I was dumped by a beautiful brunette who was cold. The effect it had on me was to suddenly only be attracted to blonde women from that point on. Women like Michelle Pfeiffer. Before that I liked Latin looking women. Now I feel nothing for then even if I see a supposedly stunning one. Now if I can change what I am attracted to surely gay men can change their fault and rewrite themselves to finding women attractive? Why not?!

[@Team503]

MrMikeinDevon Can you make yourself attracted to other men?

[@tonybennett4159]

MrMikeinDevon You come from Devon? Are you sure? I thought badly argued ideas on sexual orientation were the preserve of the USA.

[@mrmikeindevon1080]

Team503 i think you have to also want this. I wanted to be attracted to blondes and not brunettes who i used to prefer. I have no wish to be attracted to men so it would never work. All scenarios have to be met for this to be possible.

[@mrmikeindevon1080]

so you must want the attraction or to change the attraction for it to work. I also am not attracted to black women. I also dont want to be attracted to them so its the same thing. I will never find them attractive i dont think. if you want something you can have it if you want it enough, you can change. Therefore i think because of propaganda that we have now saying gay is cool etc and fashionable. it has an impression on some youngsters who will want to be trendy. it is then possible to change their sexual orientation in some cases. This why i dont agree with propaganda or pro gay lobiests.

[@Team503]

MrMikeinDevon Why do you assume that they WANT to be gay? As a matter of fact, almost no one does exactly BECAUSE of the hate people like you put out.

[@paveegypsy]

Well there are many meanings to the word normal- normal "Conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected" is one of them and heterosexuality is far more common and therefore could be described as normal. In addition to this evolutionary- it is the normal most common state of being because it is required to procreate and therefore by definition is more common. It is also beyond doubt that the genitalia of men and women evolved for hetrosexual sex- this is not a dig at gays- its just facts

[@Kim4ever1234]

Ah this is in my state..........

[@nataliemoraes2033]

My thing is, pray about it. If it doesn't work, then at least you tried it. I prayed about it, and that desire is not as strong. Ask God to really show you, but no one should ever force you to do it, nor hate you if you're gay.

[@paveegypsy]

Firstly- I have not stated that I am against gay people- I am trying to show you that free speech works both ways- Someone might argue that the existence of gay people is causing corruption. You may argue that being Christian and following that religion is wrong. But you live in a free world. In a free world people can say what they wish- would you like a dictatorship in which you could not say or think certain things?

[@airwack]

Stop killing "symptoms". Without love nothing is able to change... It's sad...

[@SophieAnonymous]

Sorry: I mostly agree with your points, but it is really hard to read all caps.

[@Sexsess]

Notoriously YaY

[@robinkael]

The only sin that should exist but doesn't exist is thinking that others sexuality is going to interrupt your life. I mean... Why is so easy to think that people that is different to others are threatened their lives? You have to have a empty life to think in that way.

[@GayChristianFellowship]

What a great video! I wish more people could see this. God Bless everyone involved.

[@codeblood2000]

Then go talk to Jackie Hill Perry.

[@BK-qx6pl]

On a second note, you’re like super cute.

[@TheKersal]

she didn't say anything about christians, just about the religion - and well, she's right - that's what christianity is about, it's the same as islam ... that's the truth about the religion you claim to follow ... you don't have to be member of a religion, to believe in a god, you know?! and you don't need a stupid book ... religions bring more bad than good - better distance yourself from that cult - doesn't mean you have to stop believing in whatever you believe

[@paulspydar]

& as I Knelt down in front of the priest with my mouth open wide ...waiting for the flesh of my lord to be inserted, I prayed thanks I was now straight...the end

[@Eiramilah]

Cutting yourself and beating yourself up is not something that Jesus would want you to do. Jesus wants you to follow Him. There are sin habits that I can't "get rid of" on my own because ill never be perfect, but that will not stop Jesus from loving me. His love for me and forgiveness is what energizes me to be more like Him. Jesus doesnt condemn us (John 3:17) I'm sorry about the pain you experienced in the past, self loathing is a terrible experience.

[@IAmNotJaidonWalker]

no

[@okie_outlaw]

That's why I don't like catholiscm

[@markwilkie7633]

BLACK CUBE MYSTERY the truth is always the easiest to hate

[@GabS-o1m]

Mark Wilkie doesn’t mean it’s the truth though because you believe it.

[@ShyGuy1919]

Micheal Jackson.

[@hunterw3866]

No where in the Bible does it say you must harm yourself to get rid of sin. Smh

[@KnowTrentTimoy]

Then WHY do soo many of your christian followers endorse this kind of archaic psychologically invasive rhetoric against homosexuals? Sexual orientation is something you are born with. Ignorance will be Christianities undoing.

[@hunterw3866]

+Trent Timoy Not a single Christian I know thinks it's okay to harm themselves to rid them of sin. If that were the case, Jesus wouldn't have died for them. Why do you assume I'm Christian? I'm just defending them.

[@jon66097]

As soon as you can find anything in the bible that justifies self harm to get rid of sin? One million people who cal themselves Christians yet do evil is no representative of Jesus Christ Himself. God bless you :)

[@jmvsic]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_of_the_flesh

[@Sceno1]

This video is too one sided, let's see the "clinics" point of view proving why it works... Reverse propaganda if you ask me...

[@93ImagineBreaker]

u cant make some1 not gay

[@gerald9547]

this video features actual professional doctors who went to medical school saying it doesn’t work. the father of psychology, sigmund freud didn’t even believe your sexual orientation could be changed. religion is evil.

[@lokust3659]

@@gerald9547 religion is not evil. Those who use it as an excuse for unacceptable behavior are evil

[@gerald9547]

Who's bRIAN? you’re right

[@laurencewilson8210]

If I had been sent here and had to cut my hair and follow rules and change myself from being attracted to someone I am attracted to I would probably want to do something crazy... due to deep depression

[@volturivoltron574]

2:45 lol John Paulk, he is an ex-gay liar

[@connorconnor1477]

1 Corinthians 6: 9-10

[@GabS-o1m]

Alex Jones literally every Christian uses that verse. You’re cherry picking is getting old bro.

[@GabS-o1m]

Isaiah 43:1-4: ‘Have no fear, for I have taken up your cause; naming you by your name, I have made you mine. Because of your value in my eyes, you have been honoured, and loved by me. Thanks but we don’t need your approval. 😊🏳️‍🌈

[@BiscuitsTomatoesPotatoes]

You have no respect of God, you sure you’re prepared for God to tell you in your face on judgement day you were wrong? Ensure in your arrogance you do not cause other’s to stumble in their faith.

[@vorpal22]

Even if homosexuality is a choice - which it is not - it is none of your business if I was to choose to be gay. Furthermore, I don't think Christians associate "love" with being a feeling, and homosexuality is about love, not just a feeling.

[@stewland1]

Jesus accepts all people regardless of sexual orientation. These ex gays are self loathing and its their choice to hate themselves. God just laughs at the silliness of this.

[@DorianPaige00]

Lynn Conway, an early transsexual who was head of research for IBM in the late 60's, did a recent study and found that 6-10% of all males in a given population have some form of gender dysphoria. The 3 reasons they don't transition A) they are adult and feel they never could physically look like a female B) they like girls and C) rejection in every facet of life. Likewise, I cannot figure out one advantage of being male.

[@estrellamananalamenor9238]

You are wrong. Nope. God did not designed male and female. It was Adán and Eve who rebelled against God. God have Eve as a partner.

[@GabS-o1m]

Estrella Mañana la menor It was Adam and Eve. So I did both.

[@zisforzoo16]

No straight person understands what it's like to be gay.They don't understand what it's like to hide yourself, to be paranoid about someone finding out about your secret, to be scared about going to hell when all you want to do is be happy. To cry everyday because your the other and get bullied and abused because of it. No straight person would understand the inner turmoil. So your telling me that after all that shit that I'm going to hell...no way. Stop with the hate, show some compassion!!!!

[@CrunchyDark]

So he's an ex-ex-gay? Stupid titles.

[@okie_outlaw]

Who are any of you to question g.od?

[@kell_checks_in]

So, you think your experience as a liar is comparable to that of a sincere Christian seeking help? All you've done is shame yourself.

[@GabS-o1m]

Kell Brigan did you fall asleep throughout the video?

[@BiscuitsTomatoesPotatoes]

Be careful who you accuse loosely.

[@mysteriouswoman4435]

be

[@Endeavr_]

I left the bisexual lifestyle as a teen. there is no praying it away, it is a choice as much as polygamy is.

[@frankfarrell1369]

+Jesus Freaks If you're bisexual it's a bit easier to repress one side of your attractions. Homosexuality is a different ballgame. I don't understand people who say it's a choice, even when there are kids committing suicide over suppressing their sexuality. As if they're just "choosing" to up and kill themselves to relieve themselves of the pain inflicted by their own families and religions.

[@GabS-o1m]

Or you weren’t really bisexual. 🤷🏻

[@zaroveeternius8922]

This video is very one sided. We didnt relalyhear about the other views, exocet to hear soemoen espouce them and somnehow, this makes them wrong or wicked. I also dislike the emotional ending. Its too manipulative.

[@zaroveeternius8922]

***** Have we? Or have we seen what we ae supposed to see? I've met soem ex gays who seem perfeclty normal, and frankly I don't buy the fixed sexual pientation model anyway. I relaly don't think the topic is as simple as most think and dn't think all ex gays are just suppressing their True Natures, and why should I? I also don' think all Gays become Atheists since I know Gay Christians. Why was that one bloke picked? Because the presenter is an Atheist who has spoken ill of Christianity. This helps in other arenas too. I dislike such sloppiness, from either side.

[@tonybennett4159]

ZAROVE ETERNIUS Wow. You claim that what Al Elietto provided is not evidence? You can't call quotes from people who have done much wider research than you could ever hope to do, merely cut and paste. Your personal observation can only be anecdotal, as it does not cover a wide enough sample and you have not established the paradigms for your findings. There are several youtube videos where the leader of Exodus International admitted that he was not free of homosexual feelings even BEFORE his organisation was disbanded and he offered gay people an apology for any distress his organisation may have caused. Of course not all organisations can claim to be infallible. However, if my car broke down I'd go to the team of mechanics at my local garage rather than some guy who claims he can fix it in his backyard. You ask for actual data. Where is yours?

[@zaroveeternius8922]

tony bennett i'm getting a Doctorate in Psychology, so this isn't Research on a much wider scope than I coudl ever hope to do. Worse still, his "Evidence" is not from Research at all, its from websites. He hasn't read the original reports, and has no idea hat Dissenting positions others may hold to. He just went to a website that told him what he wanted ot hear and copied the quotes from there. It's like how peopel go to websites and find quotes from America's Founders to promote whatever political position they want ot promote. Context is everything, and if you want o be honest with Researhc you never quote a handful of Papers out of context that support what you said. What about the reports that disagree? They exist, you know. All we know about Homosexuality at present is that some people are Gay, and that it is not ourely Genetic. Most Researchers doutb it has a signifigant Genetic COmponent as we have foudn none and we have doen Genetic Testign while some do suggest perhaps a genetic component, but none suggest it beign ourely genetic. If it i not Genetic, then it is mroe htan liekly alterable. We do not know the absolute cause of Homosexuality, or even if it has an absokute cause. It may be a combinaiton of Factors, ro worse, a combination of Factors that varies form indiviual to individual dependant on cultural, social, and indiviual experinces. Current Research hax not determined the exact caue of Homosexuality and may researchers now lean towards the idea that thee is no singular pathn or set of ocnditions from which ist emerges. Could what I just wrote be enturely wrong? Yes, yes it can be, but you can't prove it wogn by gpign to an avocacy website that exists to prove Homoseuality is innate nd Ex Gay Therapy is Evil and expct to find the Truth. What you fidn thee is propaganda. Also, I don't care about Exodus International, as that too is just one small orginisation which itself had a Political motivation. I knwo this is the Internet btu soem of us ar emroe nuanced than just "Rational people who accept Homsoexuliy and Christaisn who rject it". Hell, their's even a Gay Christain Network, and several Denominations in Christainity like the United Churches Of Christ, or the Presbyterian Church USA activley endorse Homosexuality. This is not a Religious Discussion for me, but a Scentific one. Scientificlaly speaking we cannot deermien the cause of Homosexuality, and curfent researhc does indicate that some peopel change ovr Time. If you aren't willign to accept that, and just want to promote the viewpoitn of innate Homosexuality and conemn all Ex Gay Therapy, then you aren't discussing the topic. Your stanign on a soap box instead.

[@tonybennett4159]

ZAROVE ETERNIUS There is, as you say, no exact consensus regarding the causes of homosexuality, However, there are strong indications from extensive research and interviews with gay men, that if it is not genetic, it acts as if it were. That is why there is a loose consensus that it may be a combination of genetic and environmental factors. That's as close as it gets. I am from a generation where homosexuality was not only illegal, but could have lost me my job, could have landed me in prison and could have led to my rejection by family and friends. What stronger motivation could there be to change? Yet try as I might, it didn't happen. At that time, rather brutal aversion therapy was tried. It resulted in damaged gay people, not happily heterosexual people. There are serious question marks over those who claim that if only gay people want it enough, it is possible to be changed. The flaws in that approach are greater than the possibilty that homosexuality is at least partly innate. No matter how you put it, it is rather presumptuous to suppose that you have greater knowledge and expertise than the worldwide bodies quoted by Al. Until you have walked in the shoes of gay people, you can only make suppositions and assertions. I don't know where you can go to be sure that a statement about gay people may be true, but a good place to start would be to ask as many gay people as possible, from as wide a cross section of society as possible. I submit that by definition, no matter what personal study you may have done, you do not have the wherewithal to achieve that. You admit that, yes, it's possible you got it wrong. I would add that you had better make damned sure you haven't got it wrong as these are not mere statistics we are talking, these are flesh and blood people who do not deserve to have happiness and fulfilment denied to them, unless there is absolute proof to support such a stance. The burden of proof, then, does not fall on gay people. You can dismiss that as standing on a soapbox if you wish. However that does not make any useful contribution to the debate.

[@zaroveeternius8922]

tony bennett Look, I don't mean to be rude about your past but, that's not what we're discussing, is it? The problem with Interviews with Gay men, or with your own testamony, si that you will be emotionally ivnested and thus Biased, and liekly have no Trainign at all to dven help coutneract this Bias. All I want to discuss is the Science. That's it. Also, curently there's no a consensus that Gemeticas ar einvovled at all. Some researchers say they are, or might be, but there is no common COnsensus abotu them and plenty of doubts. Yes I know I am beign vauge but, what mroe do you want? I am actually enterign Psychology and if somethign goes beyind what we know, I tend ot say as much. But the simpel eality is, we have peopel who bhave self reported a change in their secxual rpeferences, and have actedon this chaznge, and seem to show no indication of suprpesion of a True Nature. We have no actual basis to clim there is a Genetic COmponent to Homosxuality. We hae thusfar no evidence to back up that it si innate. And if it is nto genetic, then we do nto sya it "Acts liek it is Genetic'. No, it does not. Nothgin acts liek tis genetic unless its Genetic. Also, shoudlnt you heed yoru own advoce? WHat if you got it wrogn and there is a way to change ines Sexuality? I cant have "Gotten it wrong", no did I say I did, sicne I mad eno absolute claims. But you did. If your worng andpeoepl can change form gay to straight, then peoepl who o not wan tot be gay will suffer. But you dont consider them. I have to. Just liek I have to consider the feeligns of peopel who want ot be Gay ( Which yes I have met.) If someone wants to change, or try to change, I say we allow it. We have no evidnece thet cant and if they ae Adults they shoudl determien their own Fate. That is c alled beign responcible with what we know. Hows is it responcibel to simply condemn all peopel who have ever tried to belp spmeone overcome unanted Homosexual impulsed? EVen fi they were sincere? Condemnation works both ways. Peopel who wan to leave Homsoexuality are flesh and blood too. By the way, can the Burden of Prood attemopt. When Militant Atheusts began that quibble it was to shelter their Athiesm by shiftign all the blame to the THeist, and nwo its on evert debate. The Burden Of Proof is not on me, itson you. If you say that Homosexuality is innatr and unalterable, you'r the oen makignt he claim and your the one with the burden fo proof. All I said was that current reearch has not given rise to a consensus and we do not know. Well, hwo the Hell do I prove an I Don't know? You're the only one makign assertions.

[@jackv6227]

Hate religion haha

[@rickmccoy703]

not by might nor by power.....the Spirit of God must be at work or its not going to work