Exposing the Lies, Greed, & Corruption that's Destroyed the Beauty Industry | BEAUTIFUL and BOTHERED

[@dawntigga]

Can I just say and I'm crying a bit whilst I'm typing, it's not just the martini. You, Robert, Kevin and James gave me back enough self confidence to take care of me. I'm 55, a mother of a teen and a wife. I'd pretty much lost myself. Your content helped me find me. Do not EVER think that you guys don't make a difference. I'm so grateful to you all. Y'all rock really hard.

[@beautifulandbothered]

Now I'M crying reading this! 🥹 A. We'll have a martini with you anytime! B. Thank you so much... I can't explain how much this means to us. All we can hope for is to help everyone realize how beautiful they are and how worthy they are of FEELING beautiful. This was a very tough episode to film... so I can't thank you enough for this kindness 💕 Cheers!

[@luluherzog8738]

❤❤❤❤ my top beauty gurus YOUS,Robert,James,Erin…. Spilling truth bombs,opening conversations and eyes,plus shoots and giggles!!! Much love and please continue with pertinence and eloquence,shimmy of humour,we support and recognise your hard word ,we appreciate you-Johny and Kevin….LOVE YOU BEBE❤❤❤❤

[@trac6009]

I love these two and their peeps like you! It's amazing to hear the positives of social media! At 50 they taught me how to be confident at my sons wedding and I'd stayed because through my husband's cancer battle they make me smile and laugh every Sunday ( And now sometimes during the week) I don't how Johnny/Kevin don't have everyone wanting them. I know so many Midwestern 50 year olds and we all love these two and trust them!

[@dawntigga]

@@trac6009 I love that you had confidence! I'm so sorry life is hard.

[@Mtns4]

It is so frustrating to hear that brands are ignoring your talent and expertise in the make-up world. Clearly because they are not wanting to have men represent their products; that mindset by the brands/retailers is so, so wrong. You both are one of the few I watch for trustworthy info. Thank you because as another person said I’m an older person trying to find true info that would work for me vs. a viral products being shoved in front of us every.single.day. Your true experience as professional mua’s matters to me. Thank you for your outspoken honesty about the industry and how social media is so abusive by brands. Amen on the SAD issue - I live in it for 4 months every year…. Your truth is so important.

[@CB-uc5vq]

I am fuming.... I am a 53 yr old female executive that had decided I was too out of touch and too old to understand makeup again... you two have been a lifeline to my returned self confidence in my ability to navigate "beauty". I trust NO ONE else's opinions on beauty. Hold the line and keep doing what you do. Your integrity is why I continue to watch, and I am sure I am not alone in that aspect. ❤❤❤❤

[@TitchyRed]

Good for you x

[@howtobeautylauren]

No you are still right.

[@sarakraft7426]

I feel the same! I don’t have time for makeup and when I do I don’t want to buy 52 dollar foundation and 30 dollar mascara to not like it or to where it when my husband and I do date night without having our kids 24/7

[@teodorastosic8025]

Gal's Off Topic, watching the Pod and I AM in Awe of the Gold Undereye Patches that Johhny & Kevin have been rocking these couple of days! If anyone knows, ladies I would be SO gratfeul 💜 Best wishes chat from Serbia!

[@PenelopePeriwinkle]

“Don’t even get me started…” should be your tag line.

[@FinnleyMaeMarine]

Merch idea!

[@kerlivs.makeup2503]

I'd buy that shirt in an instant!

[@jellybabybeauty8308]

This is exactly why i want you two to have a patreon. I want to be able to pay you directly for the information you provide. You are educational, have integrity and skill and you deserve to be compensated for what you bring us

[@spnjunkie23]

I would love that

[@HazelwithaZ]

Yes!

[@jackselle4607]

Down for this!

[@leahsanders798]

If all these other fools who already make plenty of money can have one, Johnny and Kevin need one for sure.

[@elalovatt2751]

Straight up they deserve to make some money for their work lord knows everyone has some sort of paid content now.

[@caseycoleman6267]

This is my superbowl!

[@KarlyNicole]

Abso-f#cking-lutely 💚

[@babydeer2196]

Same! ❤

[@justjenn1345]

Same 🫶

[@justjenn1345]

Johnny I’m saddened that you are being excluded from being considered for brand deals etc just because of your gender. You have so much knowledge about everything beauty. If I saw a collab with you and a brand omg I’d instantly believe it was good because I trust your knowledge and judgment on brand quality and consistency. Please keep chugging along with Kevin because I love you both so much. Big hugs to you both 🫶🫶🫶🫶

[@piratejennish42]

Same! I don't sportsball. 😂

[@michellelacour5543]

Ok...slightly pissed off STRAIGHT, opened minded, Southern black, 54 year old mother, grandmother, and subscriber talking. I don't care if you're male or female, gay or straight, or pink and grey polka dotted...as long as the face looks good and your being 💯 you have my attention. I watch you faithfully for your honesty and chemistry. I watch your beauty videos for the information and techniques. I love how you include EVERYONE...every skin type, tone, texture, issue...of every person truly interested in beauty in general. And I love your skits because you are just so damn funny (you need to put Kevin in a few of those ). I'm so very thankful to people like you to keep me educated and confident in my beauty journey as the bitch that is Time has decided to start playing her cruel joke of aging on my face and body😂 I simply love you and Kevin to pieces. 🥰

[@NeversurrenderMM66]

@michellelacour5543 From one Michelle to another, beautifully written! Too bad those in charge of these brands aren't as open-minded.

[@michellelacour5543]

@@NeversurrenderMM66 Facts

[@frillycreation8922]

Love everything you wrote. Wish you all the blessings

[@michellelacour5543]

@@frillycreation8922 thank you...many blessings to you as well.💖

[@tersher1825]

Let me say.. as a die hard feminist, I appreciate you both so much. How dare people shit on you when you both have brought up the shit woman catch on the daily. Real people love you, you both are great humans. Fuck everyone who doesn't understand true support for one another.

[@najetteroberts5553]

@tersher1825 I completely agree. Great comments! Keep preaching hard!!❤

[@babydeer2196]

Can we make it a Super Bowl tradition on the podcast where Johnny and Kevin expose all the BS in the beauty industry and call it Super Bull Sunday??? 🤣🤣🤣 Loved this episode!!! 💕💕💕 We are always grateful for all the work that you guys put into your content. I hope you know how much we appreciate and love you guys!!! Content is always chef's kiss 🫶🤌😽

[@maryeckel9682]

THIS 😊🎉

[@dakotahs.4185]

Yes.

[@CasualViewer768]

Let’s start campaigning Trixie for next year’s Super Bull halftime show now!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@babydeer2196]

@@CasualViewer768 I'm dying laughing imagining that!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@mlin294]

It honestly makes me so sad & makes me wanna cry to hear Johnny go through these struggles because I don’t understand why people think that we wouldn’t want a collaboration of his products & honestly these brands are missing out on money. I don’t buy new pallets anymore but if I knew that Johnny or Kevin had made one, I would buy it immediately because I know that it would be a good product. It’s 2024 why is it so hard to accept a man who wears make up? I thought that I was good at make up until I’ve learned so many things that I had no idea I was doing wrong, or didn’t even know, from these two men. Like, damn sorry that these brands are intimidated by people who do make up better than them & are not female. I’m happy that they standby products that are actually good versus having people go out & buy a bunch of products for their personal financial gain, to find out they aren’t worth it. It’s like Johnny said those people have no more followers or viewers. Mr. Johnny Ross, I would have killed to have you do my make up when I got married, I wish I could have hired you even though you don’t do it anymore. You deserve better than this. I fucking love this podcast & I fucking love you guys💕🥰 sending all the love & I hope you are happy & safe!

[@sodapopmermaid7897]

Johnny, please don’t ever think that you’re not good enough or not working hard enough just because companies don’t see the good in you- you make me and so many other people SO happy, and I can’t tell you how much I’ve learned from your content. you’re doing a marvelous job.

[@sweigh72]

I hope he reads your comment as this broke my heart my favourite content creators in the beauty space are men James and Robert Welsh Johnny and now Kevin…. Companies get it together xx

[@shannonstevens2476]

Agreed. Seeing Johnny feeling so down was VERY hard to watch. It makes you just want to run over there, scoop him up, and give him the biggest hug. And seeing Kevin's genuine concern for his friend made me want to scoop him up too. These two have made so many so happy. ❤️❤️❤️

[@howaboutno2024]

@@shannonstevens2476True ❤

[@amyschwartz8114]

My nephew recently came out to me, the first person in our family. He now enjoys coming over to use my makeup in a safe place until he’s ready for the world to know. We love watching y’all together. You’ve helped give him confidence that boys can wear makeup and be beautiful. You matter!

[@spnjunkie23]

I’m so glad he has such an amazing aunt❤

[@jackselle4607]

Bless you for supporting this

[@MisterWhatWhat]

We need more amazing people like you in this world.

[@spa-peggymeatballs4861]

This is precious ❤️ I’m so glad your nephew has a safe place to exist as he is. Everyone deserves that and I’m glad you can see that.

[@DarkFire1536]

This is heartwarming. I think it just as important to see men in the makeup space as it is to see women. Makeup is for everyone! ❤

[@maggiealelew]

What I love about your show is the fact that I have deleted tik tok aboslute ages ago. So when you do pass or purchase thats my exposure to brands and whats worth my time. Im even too scared to talk to employees because they dont seem to actually know?? or care about what my goals are? They just push the same things that influencers push. I come here for the TRUTH

[@chrystalmanning439]

Amen

[@dear_totheheart]

Honestly, its going to be a struggle but genuinely the creators that get it and are sincere will thrive in the long run - those that "tell the truth" will prevail!

[@Kristiekins2]

IT'S SO WILD how many employees just push the viral products without paying attention to what I want. Sephora isn't investing in proper product training. Tiktok is product training for their employees, it seems like.

[@Miss-320]

Same!!!❤ I can’t even begin to tell you my frustration! I am so grateful for this channel! ❤

[@9whilenine]

This was eye opening and heartbreaking. I stopped watching most makeup content and unsubscribed from many big creators because of their disingenuous content and undisclosed sponsorships. You (Johnny) are the only creator whose product reviews I still watch because of your honesty. The addition of Kevin brought a new life to your channel and I absolutely adore your new videos. If you ever get discouraged, please remember this and other comments on this video and know that your subscribers think that you two offer something very unique and that’s why we keep coming back. ❤

[@kemberlymclain5800]

YES!!!! This is the truth!!

[@teodorastosic8025]

Same thing Here! I grew up with the OG's of Beauty KZbin like M. Phan, miss mam' Lisa Eldrige 💗 who is still so professional, unproblematic and Informative to this Day! Wayne Goss, Nikkie Tutorials, Tati {If we foorget anout the Drama, Michelle has definitely fallen in my eyes after the MLM & "Yoga Retreats" that they charge an abysmal amount of Money and pseudoscience zhey push} but the beggining was so much more wholesome. But there is def so many actally talented Indie Channels that deserve SO much more reccodhnition. Sorry for my English, its my Third langauge but I agree 1/1!

[@artandcourts]

I'm seriously considering playing portions of this video in my Gender, Law, and Politics course! The discrimination you describe is something queer scholars have been screaming about for years. It's kind of incredible. Thank you for being so transparent and honest!

[@Teneal9]

Brilliant idea!!! Perhaps I should add it into my "Stereotypes and Discrimination" component of my course 👍

[@atsiros]

Yes, this would be perfect.

[@thatswhatleighsaid]

I’m a Mom of two. Born and raised in conservative haven Texas. My cousin was a drag queen for a number of years, and in my deepest darkest days, he pulled me out of it with makeup. I got into 2014-2016 hype, fell in love with creators who had me disgusted and over it by 2019. I kid you not, I had given up and was back into not caring. Then I met Barbara. Actually, my daughter found Barbara on accident on my phone and I turned back on KZbin kids for her and saved that hilarious short. It got me back on the beauty train and made me genuinely laugh for the first time in I don’t even know how long. I appreciate all you and Kevin do. Y’all are out here busting it. I share this podcast to whoever will listen. ❤ Please keep going!!!!! We love you!!

[@gracew4194]

Johnny, I'm shocked that brands aren't falling over themselves to make offers to you. Your content is fantastic and I'm really disappointed that brands are being so dismissive of you and so greedy that they don't want to pay you just bc you are a man. I thought we were way past that point. Good for you for keeping your integrity and for putting this info out for ppl to know. Keep your head up. You are loved by your audience. Maybe you and Kevin should make your own brand. That would be amazing 😍

[@maryeckel9682]

When they're so loving, inclusive, basically just so non-problematic!

[@maryeckel9682]

I'm still just shaking my head so hard at JCP. If they visited here, they would see all us grandma types who love Johnny and Kevin! Damn perfect collab, and they're too dumb to see it.

[@barbaratrujillo9407]

I am almost 60 (in April) and look forward to you guys, every Sunday ! I love that you include "mature" women in your recommendations. You are easily the BEST on KZbin. Please keep it going!!! Love you both so much!!!!❤

[@greatsmiles]

I’m turning 60 in April also. Love their recommendations. Much Love

[@susansymes-martin7069]

Yep! I'm 70 & love these guys!

[@LuanaOnMaui]

I’m 55 and I appreciate Johnny and Kevin so much for including us mature women. ❤

[@jmcphail19]

Sustainability grad student studying to work in beauty/skincare packaging, here… THANK you for speaking about the waste portion of this whole mess! I love y’all for that. No one talks about it

[@marciamarciamarcia3117]

It felt like the tides for sustainability and PR had started to change and then TikTok really took off. And we were back to the same antics.

[@electr.cdreammachine]

Yeah right when it was a sort of common sense cultural moment for the more egregious wastefulness, the short term entertainment shift of consumerism with tik tok shop and temu and all that really reestablished their grasp on social media and the society in general. I read someone saying lockdown had this association w social media being much more about stuff bc we werent doing anything and it's like now everything has this inflated production value where it's cheap af but it'll sell because of the filters and the packaging and the marketing all designed to make you feel like theres a special communal exchange happening and it's just grifting basically.

[@jmcphail19]

@@marciamarciamarcia3117 couldn’t agree more - tiktok is ruining this planet in wrong of our eyes (corporations too of course)

[@maryeckel9682]

What happened to one bottle in a cardboard box with built-in chocks? Now everything is like five layers of plastic.

[@SyKnife]

I was really surprised by the waste as a senior woman. So much buying, and hauling, then decluttering, getting huge boxes of products they won’t use. I assumed younger people cared about waste and extravagant excess. It’s such a contrast to the trendy ‘clean’ beauty ethos; it’s hypocritical.

[@tammyolzinski9722]

I have never commented on any KZbin, Instagram or TikTok video until now. I am a 57 yr old white woman who has never received more useful information from two well educated makeup and skincare specialists in all my years! If you were two white women I would not be listening to you! I love that you tell the truth! I love how you dig deep into brands! I love your humor. I love how well you mesh together. You guys make me so happy! I drive around all day for work and look so forward to new content from you both! Thank you so much for all you do! I appreciate your time!

[@sandybrand3230]

I know this might not help but you both have carved a huge spot in the heart of this 65 year old soon to be a grandma ❣️🥰😘🇨🇦

[@maryeckel9682]

I absolutely adore them! 63, no kids. They tell it like it is and make it funny.

[@michellecranmer6664]

I have learned more from MEN doing make up/skincare and giving honest recommendations/reviews so I will forever be grateful to you,Kevin, James and Robert Welsh. I tune in every single week to listen to y’all and I think y’all are absolutely amazing!! ❤❤ shame on brands for not giving men the same opportunities as others!!

[@Therapistlife13]

Oh my God, not me being the person who could give two shits less about the Super Bowl, but has been glued to my phone for my Beautiful and Bothered notification! 😁💁‍♀️💜

[@beautifulandbothered]

Hahaha 😂💕😘

[@Therapistlife13]

​@beautifulandbothered off topic, I need to know what toning shampoo you both use?!

[@alyssavasquez4385]

Omg literally me all morning 😂

[@leeshaolivier9298]

Same!

[@lisapoulsen5452]

Yes ma’am😂

[@HowDidIGetHere91]

You two have single handedly changed not only my makeup knowledge, my application and ultimately my CONFIDENCE! I personally can’t thank you both enough for what you do to educate, illustrate and illuminate the community that has been through so much bullshit. You two are a complete breath of fresh air and these mega corporations that continue to shady and completely bias and sexist sickens me and enrages me equally! It’s truly THEIR loss at the end of the day for not tapping into and empowering change in not only beauty, but a positive change for people!! I need to stop before I ramble further…TLDR, you two are icons, and you two will have your moment to change the world and you will! Sending you both huge love from Cleveland ❤

[@HowDidIGetHere91]

Not me drunk replying and reading it back to myself 🤣

[@jackselle4607]

@@HowDidIGetHere91you are beyond adorable

[@mlwgurl]

As someone that literally takes notes on your recommendations, it makes me sad you don't get the recognition you deserve. You guys are always so spot-on!

[@lotsamoxie]

I take notes too! ❤

[@umassigkap]

I take notes too lol

[@maryeckel9682]

I need a special B&B/Welsh Twins notepad.

[@jellybabybeauty8308]

Me too! I have a Kevin and Johnny / RoseandBen recommendations notebook made from recycled paper. It lives in my "therapy box" so when I'm really struggling with life, i am allowed to pick one thing from the list to buy.

[@mareezyg6058]

Love the way Kevin just listened to you pour your heart out, Johnny. That's a true friend. Love you both and wishing you sunnier days ahead💞

[@gracew4194]

Im standing with you Johnny. I'll never shop at JCP beauty. As consumers our money is our voice. I'm a 40 something white woman who spends a fortune on makeup bc I LOVE it so I'm the "target" audience for these brands I can't be the only one who is pissed off by the way you are being treated. Thank you for shedding light on this.

[@booksmeanyway235]

The sad thing, for me, is that for once I have someone (you guys, the Welsh twins and a handful of others) talking to me (43) AND my daughter (12) about how make up really looks like IRL, how important is skin care, how FUN can make up be, and you get drown in this ocean of nothingness 🙄 I'm struggling to keep my daughter with her eyes open for this fake, sus situations. She's too young, she is too easy influenced. I'm here working "against" all this social media Circus every fu*ing day, and it's exhausting! Because for her, at the end of the day, this "girlies"are cute, fun, loaded and she tends to trust them.. Please don't leave us alone! You guys are my secret weapon 😁 How can we help you? How can we help you do your job? Love you guys so much!

[@LeahHaynes-t5l]

As a 56-year-old woman, thank you for helping me relove beauty. You are so both so amazing!! Don't ever doubt how much you matter. You make the world a more beautiful place❤

[@CorrieB-u7r]

I'm 35 and only got into KZbin the last few months. I was never interested and I now realize why - after being in retail, I didn't want to watch all the FAKE people who are just promoting product without actually knowing what they're talking about. Robert Welsh was the first one I fell in love with. Then I saw Johnny's Sephora skits and laughed because I had clients like that too (non-beauty retail). I was so happy when I found his podcast on here. The other person I love is Andrea Ali. She's a real makeup artist and talks about products the same way Johnny/Kevin/Robert do. Thank you guys for making me feel included and having real conversations about the beauty industry.

[@Gooberpotomous]

I would rather listen to the two of you than ANYONE else about beauty products because you've proven yourselves to be transparent and honest about these products and techniques. I understand I'm in the minority, but I'm not alone: I don't care what gender the person is, if they're honest and good at what they do, I'm following

[@jenflamingo2496]

Absolutely! Integrity is so much more important than anything else

[@elisa-beary]

Literally commented basically the same thing. These 2 are 2 of maybe 5 ppl that I’d actually consider going on and purchasing something based on the recommendations of.

[@lorimartino6496]

I am a 52 year cancer warrior. I am so over a lot of the beauty space. It is wasteful and sometimes I feel so thankful that I am beyond feeling pressured to keep up. New holy grails every day from some people. Hang in there maybe the beauty bandit will take this BS away❤ This video made me emotional. I think you and Kevin have talent well beyond make up and we are here for it❤

[@katymahlum8376]

I needed to hear your opening about seasonal depression really badly today. I just took a whole diazapam, because I cannot kick the anxiety and depression today. THIS is one reason why podcasts are important. We need to know we are not alone in our feelings. ❤

[@peachxtaehyung]

I am so sorry hope things get better for you

[@PenelopePeriwinkle]

Those benzos make everything worse!!! Rebound anxiety. Prescribed to me many years ago. Haven’t had one in almost 3 years. Anxiety is gone.

[@peachxtaehyung]

@@PenelopePeriwinkle maybe just let them do what the want/need? Not everyone is that way. Like with me it gets rid of it completely unless I have something else medical going on connected to certain issues I have. Otherwise it works perfect

[@adriennefox-dr7lg]

I hope we have an early spring because I'm just not a winter baby ❤

[@maryeckel9682]

My SAD has been especially bad this winter. It just sucks the life out of you! I hope you're feeling better soon.

[@workinprogress3329]

The homophobia of not even considering Johnny as a make up creator. I’m glad you spoke up.

[@chrystalmanning439]

Please know I am a woman who leans to you both for making me feel good about myself, a mother who loves to feel confident walking out the door. You are both loved and supported.

[@user-qg9il4go6e]

This podcast is so important to me. I love makeup. So much. I’m a guy, that works at Sephora, I literally in New Jersey and am also getting so messed up from this weather. I love colorful, gothic grungy makeup. I love to do the “weird” makeup lol. It’s so sad to see all makeup just become the same. The gondolas are set up the damn same: liquid bronzing drops and blushes on top, skin tint on the next shelf, etc. It breaks my heart. I’m also so sad to hear about your struggles in this industry, because this is the best podcast I’ve listened to, you’re both so talented, and educated, and entertaining, you guys deserve so much better. I love watching it, I love nerding out of makeup, I could and do talk about it for hours, hear about it. I’m glad that you’re doing this new type of content, it brings you joy, and it shows. Thats part of the magic. Keep going, I really know you’re building something so special. Not only does it entertain me and help my hangovers on Sunday morning, but as another guy in makeup, that works in beauty, and I’m 21 and just figuring things out, it gives me hope that I can do something of substance in this world of bland, clean-girl, virality nonsense. So uh yeah thank you guys, you’re killing it.

[@maryeckel9682]

Sending you strength against the Barbras!

[@jenflamingo2496]

I'm a late-diagnosed autistic woman and back in my teenage years when I was first trying makeup everything was so cakey it made me want to claw my skin off. Now I'm in my forties and understand how my brain works. I'm trying all sorts of things I've spent a lifetime avoiding. You are so encouraging, educational, and authentically yourselves that you inspire me to have more fun with my appearance generally. Thank you!!! Also, i really appreciate that you prioritise the product not the drama. The drama is better than reality tv sometimes but not what I need every week.

[@umassigkap]

I just got the new aboutbfave foundation - as someone else who can't stand that cakey feeling - it is worth a try

[@maryeckel9682]

And these guys describe textures, fragrance or no fragrance, etc. so thoroughly that it's easier to find things that feel good!

[@hxj880]

Thanks for describing exactly how I feel listening to them. ❤

[@vpal22]

I'm in my 30s now and I hate that this is a common thread where now my jaded self is reacting like, "Well, yes, it's like this in many industries." Nice guys wear our hearts on our sleeves, get the job done, and ends up seeming like its all for not. Then we get on our soapbox and say, "This isn't right, here's how we can fix it." Come to find out that nobody cares and nothing changes. This endless cycle of giving it your all, realizing that nice guys DO finish last, fighting to fix it and repeating... it's exhausting.

[@clairegola]

The eye patches are back babyyyy!!!

[@dawntigga]

Loving how Johnny is wearing glasses to keep them on

[@bumblebeemer]

I remember 10 years ago, I, a grown ass woman decided I was gonna sign up for a martial arts class. The first dojo I messaged replied enthusiastically that they had many beginners classes... for my *children*. -.-I have fought my way into male-dominated hobbies/groups and jobs all my life. The frustration, the anger, feeling invisible and disrespected--I feel you guys! It's all the worse, because more women should know better. Well. We got work to do. Love you both, Johnny and Kevin! I hope the sun returns soon! And Johnny? I **love** the glasses!!

[@allisonmoore6700]

I'm a hairstylist and MUA, everything you're saying about making content, the beauty industry and all of that is so real. I hate what this industry has become because I feel like I want to get out and that makes me feel heartbroken.

[@Kate.g.]

I was hairdresser, and I see since many years over social medias, impossible customer expectations. Some who destroy your reputation for a yes or a no, I don't think my sanity would have held up. You are very good too stay in this industry, I am very sad too see where the industry go 😢

[@Princess_Porcelain]

Lemme just say, Johnny and Kevin, I feel for you both. 🥺 It's so incredibly unfair the way you've been overlooked and passed on. It makes no sense whatsoever because I'd trust you over any other beauty KZbinr outside of Robert. You're exactly what the beauty KZbin realm needs!! You're saying the things everyone is thinking and feeling, you're giving us honest reviews, honesty about brands, etc. and the world needs more of that! Please don't quit doing what you do. You're important in this space and one day someone will see the value you give to us and take care of you properly. I have no doubt you'll get to where you need to be. 💖 I will tell you, I watch a lot of true crime content, which is very difficult to get monetized due to the topics included. But because of that, I know of sponsors who may be more open to work with you! Lately I'm seeing a lot of phone games being sponsors, a lot of health products like Beam Tea, apps for like yoga classes, things like scent bird, purple mattress, helix mattress, etc.. So maybe you should reach out to those kinda people to help get you sponsored? Since they're willing to advertise on something like true crime, they sure as hell shouldn't see a problem with your content! I'd maybe reach out or have your manager look at some of those sponsors and see if you can get any of them at least. It would be better than waiting around I'd think on some makeup brands who are too stupid to see your worth. 😅 Idk, it's just a thought, and maybe something to look into. Anyways, I love you both so much and I appreciate all your amazing content and I hope it never stops! Know that you're very very appreciated by many, even if brands are too stuck up to realize it yet. ❤

[@jalisabowmanlynch987]

@leannas.2685 yes! Say it louder. ❤ for johnny and kevin

[@pennylanewildflower4471]

I've been rewatching episodes all week because I couldn't wait for this kind of REAL conversation 🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@sweetbabyasia]

Omg, me too! I bide my time till the next episode comes out by rewatching their content!!🎉

[@MsDiana1957]

Johnny, I hate to see how bad you're feeling. Baby, I'm just a mom in my 60's, a nobody, but I tell you truthfully, you and Kevin are my ONLY go too for honest, genuine content. Stay strong, don't let them crush what you do. You and Kevin have 3 million followers who depend on you, and are waiting for y'all to put out your own line. After working hard to become an aesthetician and setting up my own business my love was killed over the people in this industry being so vile. It would be a crying shame for us to loose you. I would pay to watch the content that you beauties are cranking out.... but no one else! No one else. ❤❤❤❤

[@geemashups]

"I don't know where I am" Screaming 😭😭🙌🏻 2:09

[@kf6568]

It saddens me knowing such a sweet person is hurting. As an older woman who doesn't care whether or not have makeup on or not, absolutely love watching you. Short doem-long doem doesn't matter. I'm always entertained and I always learn something. Then Kevin joined and everything got even better. I can only speak for myself but I am a lifelong fan. No matter what you decide to do I will support you. Sending massive amounts of love to you. ❤❤❤❤

[@kaelahembry9553]

I am going to say it. With this political climate they don’t want to work with men in fear of being canceled. They think it will be a bud light situation. I’m not saying it’s right it absolutely isn’t. You both deserve the world!!!

[@Aquariusdelamar]

As someone who doesn't wear makeup often, but does theater and needs products that work, this channel is a breath of fresh air. I'm so tired of feeling like someone is trying to sell me something or wow me with newest viral product when I just want to know what products/techniques work and get out. Having a channel that focuses on how to use makeup as well as what products work and for who is so refreshing, and you're the only beauty youtube I watch consistently anymore

[@franksnbeans7413]

This is me too. Im 38 and feel like my skin looks better when i wear less make-up now, so I am just looking for the basics to keep myself looking my (mostly) natural best on the day to day and something special for a night out.

[@reneebaus613]

You need to get things like patreon and other ways for fans to support you directly. Then your only responsibility would be to the fans and creating honest content that we can trust. My mom passed away last year and you two were one of the only things that could make me smile. I'm not really even into beauty, but i watch you faithfully every week. I'd be delighted to give you direct support so you can keep creating the content I love.

[@MlleSara2]

Yes, that was my thought! Patreon, please!

[@mycoffeebreak9400]

Also my thought, they should be able to raise funds directly and be independent.

[@mymakeupgarden]

Johnny is unhinged today 🤣 And absolutely right. I can only speak for myself, but I appreciate the honesty. I don’t consume beauty content from large creators like Mikayla because frankly it isn’t enjoyable being sold something every time I view content. I equate it to being at a restaurant and having the server offer something every time they walk by. How much is too much?? It’s sad to see companies omitting your contributions to the beauty space but the reality is brands don’t value honesty. They want you to play the game because they don’t care if the product is good, only that it sells. Honesty interferes with that.

[@BethaneyLilly]

Poor Johnny about to have a nervous breakdown talking about Juvias place highlighter/blush. I felt this episode right to the heart….😢 The beauty community is so beat down, only a very few content creators are actually “winning”…the rest are just fighting for scraps. These huge brands are laughing all the way to the bank, what happened to all the marketing budgets …these big brands have the $ to pay for content creation. It’s so sad. ❤ you both & I truly hope this becomes something remarkable for you both.

[@susansymes-martin7069]

This hit hard. I'm a 70 yr old cis white female who also just loves makeup. When you looked to camera & said that those of us that watch you or hear your podcast are in the minority it just about broke my heart. I remember having these kind of conversations with my college friends 50 years ago! We supported the gay community as it was called then. It makes me so sad that so little has changed. Back then this was not how i thought things would be all these years later. Please stay strong.❤

[@prophetessoftroy]

Total honesty, you two are the last vestige of beauty influencer media for me. I literally follow no one else at this point. I occasionally seek out videos about a particular product, or I check in with the Welsh twins, but the truth is that I’m just done with all of them. I have more makeup than I will ever reasonably use and I’m looking for creative ways to use it. I’m not buying any damn thing unless it’s truly innovative. I’m also beyond uninterested in supporting corporate manipulation and gatekeeping. I know it’s been rough and can only imagine how frustrated and disheartened you are after all of this, Johnny. Please know that if you decide a Patreon is the way to go, you have many subs who would support y’all there. More of Beautiful and Bothered, less of the other BS. And not that I was shopping at Penney’s anyway, but they’re officially dead to me now too. Makeup has no gender and I seriously cannot believe (except unfortunately I can) the 2012 of this attitude of theirs. Beyond being hateful, from a purely business standpoint they really can’t afford to be alienating such a high-value market segment. I’m all for supporting indie brands, though, so I’ll continue doing that with them directly.

[@lotsamoxie]

Yes! Beautiful & Bothered Patreon. I’ll sign up now..

[@maryeckel9682]

And their whole brand is "inclusive beauty!" So it's obviously just empty words. They really blew it.

[@CrystalLynnBeauty]

Please don't ever stop this podcast 🙏 I am not exaggerating when I say I wake up excited on Sundays because I get to watch Beautiful and Bothered❤

[@ginapritts6158]

SAME. SAME. SAME!

[@jackselle4607]

Me too!! 🎉🎉

[@sftraub]

You two are my sanity check, my gurus and font of wisdom and validation. I am NOT 23 with perfect taught skin. I’m a grown up with skin that is less elastic, that has dry spots or discoloration. I honestly stopped buying makeup because nothing delivered, nothing performed as promised but that was because the influencers don’t know the science and physics of cosmetics but you do. I don’t care if you’re man, woman or non-binary, if you know your stuff and have integrity, I want to hear what you have to say. Brands need to figure this out fast but sadly, they’ve been burned by the James Charles types. Catty, dishonest, problematic in their personal lives. Those of us who watch the podcast and your beauty content get it. Not only that, you two together is platinum! It’s the communication, the humor, the analysis and wit of it all! I dearly love you both and you’ve actually got me to buy some of your recommendations. I am amazed and delighted and adore you both❤❤

[@sirdidymus24]

I wish I could give you guys hugs. Thank you for your radical honesty. This shit-homophobia, ageism, corporate bullshit-needs to come to light. You both are so talented and fucking special. I’ve been into makeup on KZbin for forever and you guys are the first makeup artists I’ve EVER seen who showed real passion, real emotions, and inspired and inspiring talent. You’ve given more of a shit about mature women and their makeup than any Mikayla, Meredith, or other female makeup personality on social media. You’re also the first makeup “influencers” to actually give recommendations-Hourglass powders FTW!!!-that are consistently amazing … because they come from 2 decades of actual makeup ARTISTRY and not an algorithm or corporation. Fuck JCPenney and any other entity that refuses to see-or is unable to see because they don’t know shit-your passion, excellence, beauty, experience, talent, kindness, intelligence because you happen to be men. Why does that even matter? Who gives a fuck if a man is wearing lip gloss? Because he wears it better than them? It’s so disgusting. Corporations actively hate LGBTQ until it’s June and they can make money off their suffering. I ADORE you guys and all you’ve accomplished. You are the real deal and deserve the world. I can’t tell you what it means as a 41 year old woman to hear “you are beautiful” each week. Your work has meaning because you put real feelings and real effort. You give a shit. You guys truly have my heart off all you’ve done and who you are. 💖💖💖

[@paiges.]

This is the ONLY podcast I watch. Because it’s actually entertaining and educational. Commenting for the algorithm and because of my love for this.

[@lisgelfling1031]

What is popular is not always right, and what is right is not always popular. You two may not be sponsored or endorsed by all the big names, but look at your subscribers and followers: how IMMENSELY we appreciate your work, your ethics, and your courage to share those anti-establishment opinions with us. THAT, is powerful. Don't ever doubt yourselves and as long as they don't cancel you, we're here for your wisdom! I'm a recovering film student, recovering from my old dreams of making it in Hollywood. No thanks, not anymore. Going to try and go the independent road; so what if it's not going to be earning me millions of dollars - I want to be happy and spiritually fulfilled by my work, not wealthy. That's the price we pay for thinking for ourselves instead of just following along. If I could do it all over again, I still wouldn't change a thing. I hope you don't either! Let's be artistic and creative and have fun anyway!

[@ArtGirl82]

So, in an unrelated confirmation of what you guys were talking about a few weeks ago; I went to Sephora yesterday and passed a tween girl pulling her tween friend down an aisle, while saying "I know where the Drunk Elephant is!!!! I'll show you!!!!!!" 💀😐 AND I don't care what that company says, their marketing team is trying to appeal to kids on purpose. Because, when I passed the DE display, it was every colour in the NEON rainbow. Those shelves looked like the inside of Katy Perry's brain.

[@bridget7539]

It makes me sad bc these kids just want to play with nice smelling pretty goo but there's nowhere for kids to go do that stuff

[@mkay0630]

This is what feminism is about -- standing up against inequality. It's not about tearing other women down, it's not about hating men, it's about uplifting people that are slighted by society. I'm really picky about podcasts and this is one of three I actually listen to. I know words can't give you guys the same fat paycheck a lot of TikTok influencers are getting, but I appreciate the honesty so much. It feels like you can't trust anyone anymore and this content makes me actually feel sane, lol. Don't stop doing what you're doing! We need y'all 😭💝

[@shannonstevens2476]

Hi guys! Just absorbing your positive energy and witnessing the friendship between you two makes me feel so happy 🤗Sending love to you both from Illinois ❤

[@beautifulandbothered]

Thank you! ❤ We can’t tell you how much your positivity and support helps us!

[@thatcarlchick7655]

Johnny and Kevin are 100% #FriendshipGoals.

[@heatheranderson126]

You are absolutely right. You get the shaft while mediocrity is awarded again and again. Can I say I started with your Sephora shorts and fell in love with your content. ALL your content. While I miss Barbara, I am SO glad you and Kevin provide this unadulterated view of the beauty world that no one wants to speak of. I commend your honesty, your courage, your insightfulness, and especially your integrity. Keep it up, we love you both. Tuning in for the next episode because Beautiful and Bothered isn’t just a channel-it truly is the mindset we are all in when we just don’t fit into the packaging they expect. Much love for you and Kevin.

[@AnnGraham-tq3ug]

Johnny, The glasses look so sophisticated. They look amazing on you!!

[@sarenag3679]

I am a 51 year old woman that just started wearing makeup because I never had a clue what I was doing. You changed that. I wish I could pay you what you're worth. Please don't think you are not changing lives every day. My gratitude is endless.

[@sarahs.6838]

Honestly, I'm so grateful for your educational content. I missed out on early beauty YT and I had no idea how to do a simple eyeshadow look because I just never learned. I'm so grateful for your tutorial. For the first time, I understood what to do. I was pretty insecure that I didn't know. The other day I did a beautful green look that complimented my eyes and I felt so beautiful. I'm sorry the industry has ground you down so much. It's not fair.

[@tulipantokan]

Everyone belongs in beauty - no matter gender / race / sexuality or class. You two ARE beauty ! Thank you for beeing you, giving insight to what is going on the beauty industry and inspiring me to be creative with makeup - Im falling back in love with it (and got my first palette of bright and colorful eyeshadow a few weeks ago ) thanks to you.

[@Mel_By_The_Sea]

This is so heartbreaking. From someone who isn't interested in virality, lies and bulshit I just want to say how appreciated you are. Your integrity, your creativity and the sheer joy you bring is like a breath of fresh air. Your fan always ❤

[@tonidavie3635]

This white catholic 55year old woman loves your honesty and bravery and asks that you too continue to be a voice for those who are struggling to be heard

[@candaceseymour7171]

When I want an honest option I come to you both and the welsh bros. The brands are afraid of honesty!

[@MewMewmie]

The Charolette Tilburry pr box tomfoollery made me realize another great thing about Trixie Cosmetics, their pr boxes are relatively small compared to most others, they also talk about having their pr boxes be reusable for other purposes, they even in the last pr box made it so the product holder insert thingy can be removed so the box can be used more as a proper box also looking at them they seem to only be card board, no plastic bits no sytrofoam no nothing And its amazing

[@Basilisk0817]

You guys are such a breath of fresh air! Time and time again you have given us unfiltered information and opinions about the beauty industry! Thank you so much for these videos!

[@sarakraft7426]

You cater to mature skin women/mothers and those who don’t have time or money for upscale makeup! There’s work to be done and we will stand behind you!! And if y’all came out with makeup I would buy it in a heartbeat!

[@StLsalsagirl]

PREACH it sister!

[@gabriellenichole3445]

Thank you for talking about depression and seasonal affective disorder. I had a car accident and have depression and pain 24/7 and knowing others are going through something similar and are able to share that with others is so beautiful to see. You two have me cackling every Sunday and it makes my day. Don’t forget you’re so influential and help others! We ❤ you guys.

[@beckyann2000]

I am a white girl from South Georgia and grew up in a conservative Christian household but luckily I had a mother who taught me to love everyone and it has always been DEEPLY heartbreaking (trying not to cry while typing this) to see how anyone who is not my gender or skin color is treated in the beauty industry or in this world period. I was 16 when the 2016 beauty era was going and that’s how I learned makeup BUT now I have learned more over the years watching people like you who are honest to their core and who can teach!! People ask me for beauty tips and tell me my makeup is amazing but I tell everyone that I learned it off of KZbin from pros. I am in the process of starting my own channel to help those around me locally but realize I have to do it for education and simply because I want it as a hobby. Not to make money. I can’t believe companies are being SO stupid to not employ people like y’all who are actually honest for advertising and formulating. I mean brands should be inviting people of all different genders, colors, and skin types to work on their formulas to make it better!

[@marycopeland5149]

Listening to you and Kevin makes me wonder how the beauty industry still practices discrimination. I wish I had the funds to have you two open your own line and blow away the competition. You are both passionate about what you do and loved so much! ❤😊

[@kristena4880]

THIS is why we need you. You are a voice actually interested in true makeup. I'm in my late 50s and have seen so much and have a full history of makeup and so not interested in the sheep following trending products. We need voices like yours.

[@juliannesews]

I love that you guys do care about the people who will be spending their hard earned money to make sure that they're educated on what actually works and how to use it. I quite literally wouldn't have ever decided to try my hand at make up if it weren't for all the education I get here. I listened from the get- go, but the chemistry you two have is magic. The beauty industry is very intimidating to the standard consumer and I know I can trust you two to tell it like it is. The brands should pay more attention because I purposely made a list of products you suggested for mature, dry skin and bought off of those suggestions alone. BTW they were amazing suggestions and have made me feel so confident. I hope you get even the tiniest bit of illumination in your hearts based off of the genuine appreciation people have for your work. Thanks you two!

[@abby7038]

THIS is the hour long Super Bowl commercial of my dreams. Thank you for saving me.

[@melaniecox1606]

Best comment

[@meee4217]

Your opening statement in this video is Gospel. Preach!

[@vanessafrigon]

It makes me so sad that you guys are having a hard time getting the recognition you DESERVE!! It shows what’s wrong with this society that quality content is not looked at anymore because it’s not clickbait-y or doesn’t create/encourage drama. And the fact that brands are scared to have relationships with male beauty influencers is absolute BS, it’s infuriating! I truly hope the best for you in the future and you WILL get that recognition eventually, I truly truly believe it. Such authentic, talented people cannot stay unrecognized!! Thank you for being genuinely yourself, you are amazing and remember, you are beautiful!!! ❤❤❤

[@huntsmanpixie3216]

The spectrum of responses/emotions I’ve had through this video are remarkable. You’ve got me fellas. You are both such talented individuals and I am grateful for your knowledge, not to mention your HYSTERICAL humor. God bless.

[@khanby938]

I'm heartbroken to hear of how you've been treated. Damn. I'm a 55 yo woman who didn't wear a STITCH of makeup from March of 2020 to April of 2022. Pandemic. Who cared, right? Had to go back into the real world and thankfully found your videos on IG. Good God. I've learned SO fu*king much from you! Not only what to buy, dupes over high priced dept stores and recommendations, but how to wear what. People need to open their fucking minds to male MUAs. Have they not heard of Hollywood? I'm wishing you (and Kevin, of course!) every success.

[@TanaWVA]

Both of you are so incredibly talented and honest about all the things, it's heartbreaking to hear how brands are treating you and to see the frustration and hurt. Those of us who value integrity and the hard work you both do to let us know how it truly is, will always support you. I've learned so much, thanks you! Sending all the good vibes your way. :)

[@JoeyRoo]

I am a male makeup artist and I swear feel this same struggle of getting jobs. I want you to know you guys have really made an impact on me. I haven’t seen myself on a podcast until this one. I am proud of you both. This podcast is something I look forward to each week! I would absolutely love to be a guest on the pod and talk about what it’s like at the ground level working at the makeup counters in the department store

[@kennedystarr8094]

I’m about to boycott some brands.. Team Johnny! We got you!

[@lindaflores4702]

Just saw this video. I am a 68 year old Hispanic woman and I really appreciate your product reviews and tutorials. Stay strong. ❤

[@jesscovino]

I love this podcast. You cannot fake your knowledge base, your talent, your chemistry, or your humor! Kevin is like a product encyclopedia. I became a fan of beauty youtube back in 2017, and I have my favorite creators that I watch consistently. I've never watched any beauty content on tik tok- it all reads as BS. I'm so sad that you've been so overlooked and discouraged, you deserve so much better!

[@jesscovino]

Also- I am 45 and EVERYTIME Johnny says a product works for mature skin I take notes. It'd be nice if BRANDS took notice of us!

[@NipunKapur]

Hey Jhonny, sending you love and light. Sharing my perspective, I’m also a beauty content creator (female) with a skincare niche 750,000 K Insta, 470,000 K on tiktok and 165,000 on YT… I don’t get brand deals (not the kinds I’d do) the reason for this according to my analysis is because I don’t do click bait content, or hype up brands and because most brands don’t have the intelligence to judge authentic quality content versus mediocre virality. I love you so much… keep doing what you are doing. One day very soon you will create your own brand and your community will support you to the hilt… cause authenticity goes a long way even today. PS: I am manifesting that some day you will do my makeup. And Kevin you are my soul brother… we have the same eye roll I hope someday you can see it. 😂

[@linseylinsey]

Johnny, I know you have been at this a while. This podcast with both of you is newer and you do have 🏆 here. I really hope the right people find it and give you the deals you deserve. When people reach out to use your content be like, "hey doll! Here's my manager's email, they can send you a contract!" Having been a hairstylist, it's so weird how the beauty industry works. It's primarily women, yet the people who get the most notoriety are cis hetero males. It's amazing how cis homosexual men who are talented as hell are being overlooked for social media partnerships. Anyway, I hope your winter doldrums fade away and a new burst of energy comes your way.

[@teenalagree494]

You & Kevin, the Welsh twins, Allie, and Angie Hot & Flashy are the ONLY creators I watch for beauty. Johnny & Kevin~your product honesty, knowledge, and application skills are priceless to me. Oh and more important--you actually have morals and a soul. I love that you're not sellouts or blasting gushing, BS reviews. I love you two so much, and I look forward to your videos each week. It is DISGUSTING to me that you don't have sponsorships and brands falling at your feet to make them content. It makes me realize how sad and shitty the world is becoming, full of liars and sheep following the trail soulless "influencers" who don't give a crap about anything but their image on social media and their payoff.

[@sj6546]

Just subscribed. I can’t tell you how refreshing this is. I never watch any influencer/video that has a ton of boxes in the background. The only way to get that much PR is if you say you LOVE every product. What a waste. Having been in the industry, I appreciate you both! Integrity means everything. Wishing you all the good things that you deserve❤

[@athenenoctua2134]

I don’t really watch any other beauty KZbinrs. I don’t watch just for beauty, but because you guys are fantastic.

[@Throatzillaaa]

I used to watch loads of people a couple years ago and now it's pretty much just this channel and then, Robert and James Welsh's channels.

[@jaecompeau]

I’m not usually one to comment on things, but I sincerely appreciate all the content you both make. This podcast gives my wife and I so much joy on Sunday’s. We love you Johnny! Don’t let these brands bring you down!! You go queen!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@brookegardner4748]

Let’s be real - this is way more than just a beauty podcast. 💖

[@laurensanford8629]

Its so damn refreshing to have two gorgeous beautiful yet knowledgeable makeup artists!!! Thank you for being ao open and honest its such a refreshing change....plus the laughs you both bring is so needed ❤❤❤❤

[@myrnatraylor3234]

NGL, I had to break this into two sessions. I am so angry on your behalf and I can't believe (no, I'm a Black woman-I totally can believe it) that companies aren't killing themselves to work with you. Your content is fantastic and your honesty is what makes it fucking BRILLIANT. Your day will come. Don't leave us here in the lock-step wilderness of no imagination. I was really scared you were going to say you were going to quit!

[@karenshaver7437]

You and Kevin are my Go-To advisors for all things beauty. You do have an impact! It’s so unfortunate that the industry won’t recognize it. I’m a teacher, so hard work going unappreciated and uncompensated is a familiar story. And the teaching profession is also under attack in social media, so I feel that pain as well. I know it’s not the same as what you must be feeling, though. I hope these companies extract their heads from their collective rears and recognize quality so you can continue the amazing work you do.

[@HazelwithaZ]

What a scorching episode!! ❤️‍🔥 What a legacy you're establishing! You'll be here long after the trend-chasers, and so will we! I just turned 40 this year, and I can't imagine buying products for my "mature skin" without watching your reviews! 💯 And that's just the information you provide, not to mention the regular belly laughs! Thank you both! 🥰

[@katymahlum8376]

If brands don't see you as being a good sales person for their brand, they are crazy. I've bought so much that you've talked about on this podcast, because you've said it's good and I trust your opinion.

[@jscho8674]

Johnny, was the way you're being treated as severe before the Dylan Mulvaney/Buddweiser backlash, or has it always been so intensely bad? You've been my favorite content creator for years now (53 yr old here, who loves learning from you both), and this whole video broke my heart. You and Kevin are phenomenal make-up artists and your knowledge never ceases to amaze me. It's a bonus that you seem like wonderful human beings. I mean geez, half the fun of the podcast is getting to be a fly on the wall of your friendship. I don't know if we the audience can do anything to help (besides viewing, liking & sharing), but if there is, I'm all ears. Love to you both. ❤

[@demiurgeatemyhamster]

I loved this. Keep being you (both of you). As a late diagnosed (49) autistic woman in my 50s, I love this channel because I love make-up. I don't have much to spend so I want to know what's good and what's not and I can see right through a lot of the crap to the extent I've unfollowed a lot of beauty channels. You're always a highlight of my Sunday evenings. Goth for life 😊

[@isabelsmack9693]

i LOOOOVE this podcast as a teen girl who wants to know what makeup to buy, learning from hilarious makeup artists. as someone who wants to open a beauty business one day, y’all’s stories about not getting deals because of being men in makeup is terrible, and if anything ever comes of my dreams, you can bet men will be in campaign. that’s why talking about this is so important, so you can educate people on this!! i never would have guessed y’all weren’t getting deals because i assumed who would not want to work with you?? please keep this podcast going, and wishing you luck and money !!