F-16 Viper Vs J-20 Mighty Dragon | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@lewszybki4630]

Day 25 of I-16 vs P-47 (maybe the second in this section). I don't know if I am going to ask more because I'm going to military

[@J7Handle]

Ok, this tie you KNEW that missile was going to smoke your ass round one. Eight miles and you're going cold with all that weight slowing you down? There's no way you could possibly think you're outrunning that missile. You said "we might be go--" for the meme.

[@stevensutton2252]

@@lewszybki4630 horse pucky been posting seance he ask for em and haven't seen you once ask

[@Buzinot]

Su57 vs j20

[@Callum178]

That first kill made me jump😂😂😂

[@bryanbrito6582]

same

[@dystopianlucidity4448]

Same!😅

[@Djrendezvous99]

Literally ran to the comments to say the same thing 🤣🤣🤣

[@lordzroger951]

atleast he save these gas tank😂

[@htidmatt33]

scared the shit outa me 🤣🤣

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

Note to self: Jettisoning the tanks won't fool an incoming missile that's about to merge with you.

[@sonofagun1037]

but it worked in behind enemy lines D=

[@ernieu4]

​@sonofagun1037 lmfao still love that movie no matter how horrible the beginning is lol

[@Googlencraptubesuckabandonship]

@@ernieu4 I still like the ejection sequence tho. Even tho the events leading up to it were ludicrous. I 100% agree that it was a really good movie in the end. I got homework for ya. "Bat 21" The Captain of the ship in Behind Enemy Lines is shot down in Vietnam. Same scenario. Only it's a propeller plane he is talking to. Not really the same guy, but it's fun to imagine it is and he made Captain.

[@AndyDrake-FOOKYT]

He thought the missile was gone...he did it for increased maneuverability and performance.

[@mitebadopted3894]

i punched my screen when it killed him LMAO

[@codyjames3416]

"I think we might be good." He was, in fact, not good.

[@robsonfujii461]

It was at this moment he knew. He fucked up.

[@Alex-nr5et]

5:45 "Okay off cold." He was, in fact, not cold.

[@kyrilleygo8379]

​@Alex-nr5et He was in fact, quite hot. Burning, even

[@sethb3090]

_Hello, we've been trying to contact you about your F-16's extended warranty_

[@user-dc6es2mb1m]

GS's famous last words.....he has a few of them and they NEVER disappoint...lmao

[@dystopianlucidity4448]

Make no mistakes lads, those are confidence seeking missiles.

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

It's a classic with GS.

[@JGuraan]

"I think we might be go-" DEAD

[@realitysux_0128]

Dude, that J20’s missile looked like it was about to attach itself to your weapons pylon😳😂

[@leg-1-ace713]

That missle coming within meters of you but you out running it was something I've wanted to see for quite a while 🎉

[@bigsexymanbear1950]

I don't know how he managed that!

[@user-mm1nt1it5v]

I wonder if it detonated if it could have damaged his engine?

[@vosskh4744]

noticed that's a pl-12 rather than pl-15

[@despizedicon]

It's true that the F-22 is not good at dogfighting, it is great at it.

[@kyledelsan7024]

I honestly don't believe some people think that it's not a good at dogfighting. It's such a neurotic way of thinking.

[@stoog7487]

It’s arguably the best dogfighting jet the world has seen.

[@MemekoASMR]

@@stoog7487 yeah real great at dogfigthing balloons 💀💀💀

[@yanbo2u]

@@MemekoASMR F22 scores on balloons because it is the only aircraft that is unable to run away.

[@stoog7487]

@@MemekoASMR haha how original :/

[@worldbreaker1023]

This was a fascinating scenario. I jumped out of my seat when u exploded after that tank drop. What a show! Bravo

[@georgedavidson957]

you could have predicted it .... GS thought he was safe! ;o)

[@JihoSSJ5]

i did the same thing lol

[@donferguson-qy5dw]

I've often thought that the drop tanks should have a large bank of flares and chaff that only get activated when pilot selects . To be used to divert missiles. Heavy on chaff.

[@Firefighter_PA]

Agreed

[@truthseeker9454]

Me too! Maybe even a cheap transmitter or radar reflectors to draw off missiles. Israel has already developed a jamming pod that can be released and towed behind a jet to defend missiles, then retracted before landing.

[@jonathanpfeffer3716]

So instead of putting it on the pylons in pods like normal, you put those not inexpensive countermeasure systems on a tank where they will more often than not get punched off before ever being used?

[@dirtylaundry00.]

@@jonathanpfeffer3716good point

[@sesameseedbar8853]

Most of the time if you’re jettisoning tanks, you’re doing it to reduce signature and increase manoeuvrability and you’ll usually drop them well before you enter a combat zone. Dropping them with gigantic balls of chaff screams “LOOK AT ME” to any potential adversary you haven’t seen, or that may not have detected you.

[@parkerloertscher7992]

I'd love to see hornets or super hornet against the J20 since that is the most likely pairing between a conflict of nations. Or even F35 vs J20 as well

[@StephenDelRosario777]

Why wouldn't the US just bring all of it's F-22s to the East Pacific to fight the J-20s? It's not like they are needed elsewhere

[@parkerloertscher7992]

@@StephenDelRosario777 because they aren't outfitted or designed for carrier transport

[@PhantomP63]

@@parkerloertscher7992The commenter might mean forward staging at island airfields. That may be harder than it would seem if the J20 is used as the West believes- as a tanker and AWACS killer.

[@mantrachhaya6835]

Something like the f15-ex would be nice too

[@luther0013]

@@parkerloertscher7992would the F-22’s be in range to perform attacks from Japan since a squadron has already been deployed there?

[@randomstickguy67]

first missile was a jumpscare LMAO

[@darkphoenix2]

I'm such an F-16 fanboy, every little maneuver he makes that doesn't look optimal makes me nervous and when he's going on a tangent about the F-22 and Su-57 I find myself wanting him to focus so he doesn't die 😅

[@Overlord1-1]

I wanna see more disrespectful kill days, like the raptor forming behind the flanker, or the felon doing vertical 360s 😂

[@truthseeker9454]

OK, 13:05 is perhaps the best camera angle of any video clip I've seen in DCS. I was nearly shouting at my screen, "Turn GS, TURN!" 😆 Great video, brother. I loved the premise of the Viper vs. Mighty Dragon. And fighting over water made it even tougher for you. So why didn't you roll up your sleeves before the fight? There's no need to have a street fight in a suit, my dude. 😁

[@stevenhartman2605]

It's always impressive to see how the Viper's speed shrinks the MAR by a km or so, since you can open up distance so fast as you go cold.

[@Mr.ThunderTrooper575]

have bin watching your videos for 2 years and hardly missed one of them. I might become a patron soon and I'm also trying to get into DCS. I love your videos and keep up with the good work

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you man I appreciate you.

[@user-tt1yy7eo9e]

The second explosion was the self-destruct for both aircraft and pilot as he's dumped into the ocean to avoid recovery [14:13].

[@VagabondTexan]

The juke you put on that last missile was epic.

[@calvinhunt2335]

It's awesome when overcome the odds, but it's absolutely hilarious when you don't! Great video! 😂

[@the.voivode]

That missile travelling alongside you had me howling in the lunch room. Good stuff lol

[@BlyGuy]

I saw a recent NGAD mockup that looked like the Felon, but with nozzles reminiscent of the YF23 and the vertical stabs could move to different angles/lay flat on fuselage 😊

[@BARelement]

What mockup? Who’s mockup? Where?

[@JohnMGibby]

Do you have a link for that mockup? Would love to see it.

[@BlyGuy]

@@BARelement I will try to find it and provide a link

[@RogCBrand]

Think about how the 49 years between the F-16 first flying and now, is like 1903 when the Wright Flier first flew to 1952, with something like the Sabre and Mig-15.

[@jiroyun9267]

The secondary explosion was the Bluetooth device being paired

[@user-bt2cb6pe8v]

I really love watching your flybys for everyone!

[@keeganhenderson24]

Hey GS! I have a video idea I’ve been thinking of for a long time. Could you do an air defense scenario where you’re over a friendly city and have to worry about sending rounds/missiles into civilian houses/buildings? I would love to see how it effects the battle. The bandit would be attacking the friendlies and would shoot you with no care to the civilians. Love your content, thanks!

[@csjrogerson2377]

That missile in the 2nd engagement had no intentions of hitting you. It wanted to do formation flying with the great GS. I thought it was going to shake hands with you in the cockpit.

[@acars9999]

HELLO!?!? Am I the only one that thinks he saw the J-20 pilot eject straight in to the water at the last second?? 14:46-14:47 specially. Someone else please look!

[@TheGoddamnBacon]

Yeah, pretty sure I saw a splash in the water before the J-20 made contact.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Yes, he was most deff ejected up side down lol. He was killed before the jet even hit the water.

[@patrickdavis8271]

Great video GS. This should have been a best 2 out of 3. ;) Keep up the great work you do!

[@cammoore0823]

“We’re cold and we’re alive so I think that we’re good” PL-12: “have you learned nothing? do not jinx the simulation!”

[@user-xs1yv3kj4b]

F16c are incredible in every aspect. Even though we have 5th gen aircraft, we are still in the 4th gen by majority. The possibility of this happening is pretty high!

[@arwong222]

Oh that middle traveling next to you was epic!

[@KageStelhman]

That second round... direct hit on the fuel tanks is what it looked like to me

[@hasanferoz2364]

My heart got pounding at that first hit man!!!

[@michaelkeister8689]

Another great video! Thanks GS!

[@murphymmc]

Toxic is one of your more worthy opponents. He does well against you, makes for good contests.

[@TheFaithfulFanatic]

sounds like i might be getting the track ir this holiday season. so looking forward to using it and learning this game!!!

[@owowhiplash]

That first death scared the fuck out of me

[@jfiery]

The A10 was never survivable without air superiority. It's the fallacy used to kill it without an new CAS platform.

[@demetrioshristovski4518]

No safer to fly today than MiG15 or SU25. People who think A-10 is still a wonder plane, don't know a single thing about current air defense networks. I am not saying F-35 is a wonderful counter insurgency and anti-tank aircraft as a replacement to things like SU25 and A-10, but its whole lot safer it fly and able to do alot of other things air forces need.

[@MrBradogg]

@@demetrioshristovski4518 Be careful the A10, battleship, tank mafia will get triggered.

[@Rexzilla10]

​@@demetrioshristovski4518 A-10 would be better suited for scenarios like the Skyraiders were used for in Vietnam. Long loiter time and able to provide quick and VERY close air support against a guerrilla style enemy with primarily heavy machineguns for their AA. (Aside from the SAMs they had around their vital strategic points in the North.) Hopefully it doesnt happen but with talk and discussion of military intervention against the cartels, A-10s would be able to do numbers against an enemy like that while supporting ground troops.

[@kaliyugatourguide]

​@Rexzilla10 The problem is that there are other aircraft that can fulfill the role of a counter insurgency CAS a/c that are far cheaper to maintain than the A10.

[@andrewmason9137]

@9:10 They are using the model of the MV Asterix the Canadian Replenishment Ship.

[@JAEUFM]

I wonder, has any military thought of putting chaff and flare dispensers on drop tanks? "If you think a missile is on you rear, and you are desperate, maybe that can decoy or confuse a missile homing in on you if you pop the tanks, and they spray chaff and flares all over while they fall?

[@Redssracer-de5de]

GS with the double-tap...😁👍👍

[@t3hjnz]

"..and we're cold and we're still alive so I think we're-" I literally jumped and made a noise out loud. Damn, man. Typical famous last words from GS. :D [e: and the second - with the tanks still on! God damn, man. You're a machine.]

[@jorgeavila3885]

That first kill got me good. Kept heart racing for a good 30 seconds 🤣

[@meta.5studios]

I've been watching GS videos for a long time, but I've never been bamboozled that much in life as I was at 6:00. Talk about a jumpscare...damn...

[@kaseyrobbins753]

I straight up jumped out of my seat when that 1st missile hit. Surprised that crap out of me lol

[@xboxsik]

Next SU-57 vs J-20 please

[@IronMan-xm3lg]

You did an amazing job with that J-20 GS

[@kenc9236]

When you got hit after dropping your cans. I nearly jumped out of my seat. lol

[@bernyssen]

It had been a while since I got jumpscared like this in one of your videos, even with the usual "everything's fine" warning!!!

[@chrissheffield5468]

Correction: The Viper first flew after the founding of the 12 Colonies of Kobol. It was used to smashed Cylons and protected a Mormon wagon train in space. Please submit before the end of the day. Thank you in advance - Management.

[@fixman88]

*giggles*

[@TsunTzu]

Stealth aside...The F-16 is still my favorite fighter. They just look so svelte and nimble.

[@felixzeng997]

6:00 Almost dropped my phone to the toilet

[@Gothmog2266]

holy sh@t that first kill made me jump out of my skin...guessing we'll be seeing that one again a few times.

[@chanman819]

Requesting a Mirage F1 vs. F-5 fight again! :D

[@beatboxbuggi6884]

We need a compilation of every time GS says “I think we’re good” and then explodes. Because this happens a whole lot.

[@danielayers3054]

Dang Sidewinder, that first round actually made me jump, I mean scared the crap outta me ( Good s&*# man)

[@ntal5859]

3rd explosion was his father destroying his failure of a son. Emotional Damage.

[@jeffyeager6494]

Never under estimate the power of the Dark Side, or the Viper!

[@MrAcerulez]

6:00 omfg I was lifting up my cup of tea about to take a drink and when that missile hit it startled me, causing me to jump and splashing tea everywhere x.x

[@MedEighty]

5:56 Jesus! Almost spilt my drink!

[@eclairofironblood1623]

GoooD DAM THAT first kill got me jumped out of my chair

[@CPT_Nelson]

The F16 cockpit FOV is quite amazing. Surely unique amongst fighter jets.

[@user-mm1nt1it5v]

Yea if you look at a front on view it actually bulges outward so they can partially see down the sides of the jet its crazy. Doesnt beat the das on the f35 where they can look through the floor of the jet, but def amazing.

[@truthseeker9454]

Haha! I loved the outtro: 13:54 - Good kill...13:55 good kill!

[@cpu6207]

I have never seen a video where someone dodged a missile that close in DCS, that's frickin wild man

[@bret9741]

I remember Vividly when the F-15, F-16 and F-14 first flew. I was very young on the F-14 but remember its crash during testing. As soon as these aircraft flew, there were several companies making 1/72 models. I made all and promptly started playing with them. My YF-16 model was red white and blue. I went on to the Navy enlisted… Navy paid for College. Then I became an airline pilot. Never flew the F-16. Wish I could

[@vaccuumrolls7243]

As far as I'm aware, the J-20 is fairly stealthy, more than the Su-57, based on simulations from the front as long as the canards are not deflected. I don't know how the FCS works on the J-20, but it seems likely that they can be locked in place so as to reduce frontal RCS. It's more likely than not that the canards are there to enhance high altitude performance rather than maneuverability. It seems more like a stealth MiG-31 rather than an F-22 competitor what with its VLRAAMs and poor side aspect stealth but good front aspect stealth, meant to charge at and snipe high value targets.

[@krash4291]

Fair assesment, don't forget J20 also needs to be mass produced so it can keep up with the growing number of F35s from US carriers and neighboring countries, I think it's quite possible J20 has never aimed to be an F22 competitor.

[@thomaszhang3101]

In reality 4th gen and even 4+ fighters stand almost no chance against 5th gen fighters 1 on 1, because 5th fighters just had so many other methods to guide in for a kill beside active radar, and even completely ignoring stealth, 5th gen fighters still perform that much better at high subsonic and transonic than 4th gen fighters.

[@shaguge]

中国製を除く

[@snowgame365]

@@shaguge It is understandable that you are jealous of Chinese products, because Japan does not have the ability to design and manufacture its own stealth fighters, and the export volume of Japanese cars in 2023 is surpassed by China, so I understand that you take the initiative to denigrate Chinese products, but your behavior will not help Japan, it will only make everyone feel that... , haha shaboyi， happy new year😃

[@harbour2118]

So does that mean swarm tactics are the way to combat 5th gen fighters?

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@harbour2118 not quite - the main counter is to build a whole network of AWACS, VHF ground based radars, 4.5 gen and 5 gen fighters with good datalink. 5th gen fighters are good at hiding from short wave X band radars of fighters, but not from long band radars. with networking, when one sees, all see.

[@Moses_VII]

That isn't simulated in DCS?

[@nkanyisomlobane1497]

05:59 I caught such a fright I almost jumped out of my seat!

[@ParsaRadfar]

5:58 that scared the shit out of me🤣🤣🤣

[@laudavhutcheon946]

That first death made me jump and almost spilled my coffee :)

[@decoygaming4604]

that seemed pretty well matched for the most part, maybe revisit as the j20 and/or put them in a dogfight and see.

[@ttrestle]

That first kill literally made me yell out loud with a jump!

[@danielberger1378]

"We're cold and we're still alive, so I think we might be goo.... " 💥💥🤣 This HAS to be in a death compilation at some point 😂

[@Chio_OB]

GS doing jump scares, lol!

[@carloberetta6305]

Old but gold: the F16 has been upgraded so heavily that it is still very much a frontline fighter. Same as the F15. If the fundamentals are good then you can keep them relevant by updating the equipment & weapons.

[@lagrangewei]

it still a 4 gen fighter. which mean the enemy can see you before you can see it, and they can choose to engage when it suit them or disengage without you knowing... all you can do is react if face against a 5 gen. however there isn't that many 5 gen around, so 4 gen fighter is still extremely valuable asset.

[@dontknodonno1783]

Great match up! More please!

[@user-dc6es2mb1m]

New age with All the new missiles and technologies, very good too watch...BUT...some WW2 stuff would be magnificent...maybe like the battle of Stallingrad for instance. With All the new visual attributes including the newer ground to air vehicles and systems available.

[@djchrismac]

I haven't jumped like that in a long time! Out of nowhere, bam!! 🤣

[@Bad_Wolf_Media]

The cinematic you have here at 11:14 or so made me want to see what happens if you punch bags while inverted...

[@Yevalc]

you should do F-18 Hornet VS SU-27 Flanker!

[@ThePaulv12]

Edge of Tomorrow is a great film. The imagination of the storyline is fantastic. I don't care for Tom Cruise so overlooked it but I was channel surfing on TV one night and came in about 1/3rd of the way in. I was hooked. I couldn't sop watching it. Seen it about 3 full times since. The resemblance in this is not lost if if it was only 2 lives LOL.

[@Cuccos19]

That big flat ship was a supertanker for sure. I'm curious would it be light up if I'd say an A-10 would zipping through all along with the 30mm?

[@optony9606]

you could say fuel efficiency, more counter measures and a better radar would be better than stealth option

[@Wardog22476]

Not going to lie, 5:56 scared the s**t out of me 😆 I was eating and choked on my food from when the missile hit.

[@hansyan7641]

It is also crazy to say J20 is not for dogfight. PLA only does not prefer to use this fighter in proximate combat.

[@adriancoric1721]

that first missile at 6:00 scared the shit out of me

[@wugzi9260]

Best video you have made so far

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

"We're cold and we're still alive, so we still might be goo--" That kaboom was a legit jump scare. 😂

[@timsullivan4566]

I'd love to ask whoever said the F-16 was NOT a good dog-fighter: "So then, what exactly in your opinion IS a good dog-fighter?" 😆 BTW GS, some SICK visuals here - esp the cargo ship deck POV of your wave-top fly-by! 👋👋👋

[@DesolatorsDayz]

F22***

[@computernerd8157]

F16 is one of the best dog fighters in my view in today. Most newer aircraft will not match it because stealth is their main focus.

[@LeonAust]

The future of air combat is not how good an aircraft can dog fight. Classic hornet, F-22, F-16A, Eurofighter, the red baron can out maneuver the F-16C

[@mitebadopted3894]

@@LeonAust At the same time, the red baron is made from wood and cloth and used 2 spandaus as a gun. much lighter than a 20mm vulcan

[@david.bowerman]

Classic GS moment, "I think we are good" then gets smacked. Also, I think a missile in the weapons bay may have detonated.

[@BARelement]

9:45 The US does aswell. The F-35 is 5th gen, and it’s thought to not be a “dogfighter” through, and through.

[@GladBeastBoy]

That was a genuine jumpscare holy hell

[@user-xd2jz6xs8r]

A Chinese aircraft science academician once said that the future of air combat is information warfare. So there is no need for aerial entanglement between airplanes

[@codychild2665]

Could the second AMRAAM you shot have re-aquired it and hit at virtually the same time as AMRAAM 3 and 4. Great video in any case. I about $hat myself when rou d 1 ended! 😅

[@ghinckley68]

Dude that scared the shit out of me.

[@icaleinns6233]

Flying formation with a missile. Little risky, isn't it? 🤣

[@DcsMaster]

5:59 my heart stoped idk how im still alive bro

[@KellinKingdom]

I guess the key was to hold on to your tanks.

[@libertyninja9158]

love to see 10 J20s against 10 f22s