F/A-18C Hornet Vs F-16C Viper DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

DCS F-16 VIPER: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/viper/ < CODE: "GSF16" for 10% off. F/A-18C HORNET: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/products/planes/hornet/ < Code: "GSF18" for 10% off INSTRUCTIONS TO GET 50% FOR NEW BUYERS... 1. Launch DCS (game NOT website)(so download it first, its free) www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/ 2. Wait 5 Secs 3. Pop-up screen appears 4. Browse and select F-16/F-18 (for example) 5. Proceed 6. This launches you into the DCS Website - logged in AND at the checkout page 7. To add the extra discount type in GSF16 or GSF18 for the additional 10% off. (discount total should now be 60% for first time buyers)

[@firebald2915]

Where is your air speed indicator located on the F-16 ?

[@Eliasarelius]

Mak a 2 vs 2 dogfight

[@ecoop20]

It's been awhile since I've seen you do anything with the Jeff. Is that plane still around?

[@ReadMichaelParenti]

F-22 v F-18SH+A-10 dog fight.

[@Mrmjd-v7q]

@@firebald2915 left side of HUD in the rectangle.

[@BigmanBois]

The hardest part of this dogfight for GS was deciding if he flew the F16 or FA18

[@jimlthor]

@Anthony the American I would bet the 18 for BFM and 16 for BVR. 18 has amazing nose authority and versatility.. and the 16 has high speeds for slinging missiles further than the Hornet can

[@paoloxillo9012]

​@@jimlthor not sure, the F18 has a better Data link and situational Awareness. The F16 is more versatile for Dogfight. It depends on the pilot as always

[@UnknownAI3]

@@paoloxillo9012nah man for bvr f16 wins all day

[@ell8711]

hello mr stormworks man

[@KentJ]

Wb f15 then

[@ImUrNemesis97]

DUDE YOU’VE OFFICIALLY MADE IT I was at the sun n fun air show in Florida today wearing your I’m a cat person shirt. I was chatting with one of the f-35 demo guys and he noticed my shirt and said growling sidewinder? Love him. THE OFFICIAL AIR FORCE F-35 DEMO TEAM KNOWS YOU AND LOVES YOU

[@blackorange5091]

damn thats awesome

[@animationcycles7109]

I hope he sees this, because that's pretty fucking cool!

[@corvanphoenix]

@growlingsidewinder! Lol!

[@Kwaj]

Whenever GS dogfights over residential or commercial areas, the property values suddenly plummet.

[@Miles26545]

Doing the lords work

[@justtypical8604]

**correction**sky rockets

[@dizzyizzie6354]

I would pay More

[@stinkyfungus]

Whaddya mean? You might get a property with an F16 or F18 imbedded in it. The scrap value of the titanium alone will probably pay for the swimming pool you can turn the hole into.

[@brihellforge3569]

so does the bandit-

[@PvtPartzz]

Can we just take a moment at the 6:50 ish mark to acknowledge how incredible the clouds are in DCS?

[@fruitygranulizer540]

the rainbow at 1:50 too!

[@PvtPartzz]

@@fruitygranulizer540 good catch! Hadn’t even noticed

[@pilotjdb]

​@@fruitygranulizer540 where

[@fruitygranulizer540]

@@pilotjdb look closely at the clouds above the lake at the timestamp. you can see almost a full half circle.

[@pilotjdb]

​@@fruitygranulizer540 i think i see it. Man it was so hard to spot

[@constantinecondor3470]

I loved the part where Growling Sidewinder said ‘it’s growlin’ time’ and then growling sidewinded all over the place, truly one of the moments of all time

[@commandershepard4471]

Fox 3’d all over the viewerbase

[@J3D1D14H]

Growlingly sidewinded

[@Ghost-kj7kv]

Sounds like something he'd actually say in a 2 morons video.

[@Stinger522]

The moral of the day is never get low and slow in a dogfight against a Hornet because you won't be going anywhere but down in flames.

[@air-headedaviator1805]

Its interesting observing how the Hornet is a slow speed dogfighter while the Viper is a high speed dogfighter

[@Daddy_Airplanes]

You did it gs. You got me to play dcs. I went the f18 route - must have been a day before you got the gsf18 code... whatever. Was still 50% off. Thanks for the encouragement - it's amazing fun.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

wonderful welcome to the community, always great news to hear new guys joining us.

[@Durzo1259]

How difficult has it been to learn so far? Is it like a kid trying to ride a bike for the first time and crashing every 10 feet?

[@Daddy_Airplanes]

@Fylgija , the flying is not so bad, especially once you're in the air. Landing has been a bit of work but that's just because I'm impatient. Honestly, the hardest part so far is setting up the controls with what will work for me and learning the numerous systems - the best part is I've really enjoyed doing those two pieces.

[@ericforster2970]

That rain at 8:25 is the stuff... Great instructive video, as always.

[@JaydenM]

Was thinking “hmm let’s watch a growling sidewinder video then” then i got this notification that very second 😂

[@5481c]

GS is a definition of "its not the plane, its the pilot"

[@cszabo8899]

Nice flying by the Hornet at the end there.

[@eb3yr]

Always fun to watch the Viper get carried away with speed! I think the fatal mistake in the last fight might've been you dropping the afterburner while going down - it deprived you of the speed you needed to sustain a turn rate while also going back up, and I think you dropped it because your speed started to get carried away and you didn't realise that the hornet had opted to stay high? Going from 400 to into the 200s so quickly seemed like a killer. Despite it looking like such a simple thing from watching, the merge kinda seems like the most dangerous part of the fight - it dictates how the entirety of the fight plays out and on who's terms it's fought if the opponent doesn't manage to neutralise.

[@charlalalan7232]

It’d be pretty interesting to see you fight the F16 in the F18, since you always do it the other way around

[@fruitygranulizer540]

he's done this fight in an f18 superhornet vs the f16

[@charlalalan7232]

@@fruitygranulizer540 at least over a year and a half ago. I checked, all f18 and f16 fights within then have been from the f16

[@fruitygranulizer540]

@@charlalalan7232 yeah, the last one i found was may 2021

[@robertopiedimonte2078]

​@@fruitygranulizer540 Hornet is not superHornet with those pylons seems like a beautyful girl that walks like Charlie Chaplin. My personal opinion F-18D is the pretty one a truly multi-surface (🤣) as well as multi-role fighter in the F-4 Phantom II path, hybridized with DNA from Star Wars X-wing space fighter...

[@fruitygranulizer540]

@@robertopiedimonte2078 the one in this video is not a superhornet, but he's done a video in a superhornet before

[@edouardravenelle9543]

Love your videos. Its been like 5 days straight that i watch your videos less than an hour after post. Keep it up

[@Zolbat]

I've flown the F-16 for a while now, practicing 1on1 gun fights lots of rounds, but rarely winning. fought against another (much better) guy in an F-16, I accidentally chose an F-18, got the kill so easily it wasn't even funny.

[@hellogoodbye388]

​@@pabloottawa I really wish we got to see the lighter and more maneuverable land based f18

[@IjayIon]

started watching your vids recently and I love them keep up the good work bro

[@Iraqi_TopG]

Just when I start looking up f-16 dcs vids a week ago and now most of the vids from you are f-16 related, love u

[@KyleSchwanz]

Love the hornets, but for me the viper is the sexiest looking fighter of all time. Just such a classic clean design.

[@markbunn8576]

"We're going one circle with a Hornet" So you choose death... 😀

[@robspracklin261]

Great fight & footage. Love seeing the other pilots view at key moments. (would like to hear what they say during those moments) :)

[@GregFliesVR]

0:53 Mavrick: "WTF WAS THAT?" Rooster: " WTF WAS THAT?" Force Projection Goose: "WTF Was That Shit?"

[@whalehands]

So fun watching the Viper rip around and be the best at it. Damn did that Hornet look so good when it got slow.

[@randomrandomnesss2188]

When you enter the merge and the opponent “forces” a one circle fight, why not just reverse your turn and make it a two circle fight where you hold the advantage? Probably an obvious answer but I’ve always wondered

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

well you can, but once you've crossed and he's forced the 1 circle you want to reverse you're now losing many many degrees a second in reversing and starting an opposite turn where he is now 30 degrees thru that first turn he started, so you CAN but you have to understand be willing to take that hit and understand that you will have to deal with him getting nose on first. Maybe you'll have to jink his gun shot, or flare off a fox2 but thats the price of a turn reversal that is somewhat "late" its better to build turning room and then force him into the 2 circle so you don't have to worry about him force a 1 circle on you in the first place, thats what I do in the first fight in this video I believe.

[@randomrandomnesss2188]

@@GrowlingSidewinder yeah that makes sense, it’s pretty common actually that you survive long enough in the one circle fight to transition into the two circle later so I think that is probably better than sacrificing the energy and degrees you talked about by immediately reversing into the two circle.

[@MkD_SENS]

Could you do the same flight, but fight in the Hornet against the viper, so the other way around?

[@foxhound24]

Can we recognise how close in the first flight GS was to pancaking some civies in their small apartment?

[@Mrmjd-v7q]

Yes im so happy your flying the f-16 my favourite plane

[@enochlearns6132]

I know I said it before, but that's a catchy tune at the end. Like that. Great fights. I enjoyed watching, and feel like I learned a lot...thanks...take care.

[@bigcomputerman4482]

Please make a dogfight replicating the match between the F-16 and A-10A if you possibly can!

[@FlyingWithSpurts]

Great showcasing Energy Tactics instead of straight 1-C 2-C horizontal tactics.

[@DFTTTM]

Hey Growling Sidewinder! Love your videos - any chance you could do a video ranking the most common fighter jets by which is best for dogfights and then which is best for BVR fights?

[@brihellforge3569]

Suggestion: You don't really mention actual numbers very often in terms of aircraft specifics. You may consider mentioning things like ideal dogfighting speed for the aircraft you're flying in your videos, which would be helpful for new to moderate learners. Ideal dogfighting speed, sustained turn rate, instant turn rate, etc!

[@Aurocia]

Good point, I’m also curious about throttle inputs because I just slam full afterburner in dogfights and I haven’t been winning many 😢

[@marcwanagas1234]

R/hoggit is a good place for resources like that

[@finnianp8250]

Earliest I have ever been to a new GS vid! Excited!

[@lazyviolinist3418]

Just watched a documentary on the Japanese F2 which is their version of the F16. If it's available in DCS you should totally do a dogfight in it vs an SU-27

[@Durzo1259]

I always assumed Japan would just use fighter planes they bought from America. Now I'm gonna have to look this up because it would be fascinating to see what Japanese engineering could produce. I swear the defining element of that country is taking other country's inventions and fine-tuning them to something 10x better.

[@TurboHappyCar]

Great stuff, love these classic dogfight videos.

[@Devinfrbs]

I was expecting an April 1st video like : "BVR F-22 vs 30 spitfires"

[@fialee8]

LOL... you just fired into a city. Some poor guy is cooking on his bbq, and it starts raining down 20mm rounds.

[@sogerc1]

IDK the terminology but I love the funnel graphics on the F16 hud.

[@timbaskett6299]

I wished the Vought F-8 Crusader was available in DCS. I would like to see an ACM fight between a MiG-29A and an F-8E Crusader.

[@PhthaloType]

"The Last of the Gunfighters"

[@hellogoodbye388]

Would be epic

[@godofm3tal1]

Is there a community hub of players that get together and help newer players learn the ropes of this kind of thing? Really trying to get into dcs hard but man this learning curve is steep

[@IndyBrainWave]

Interesting that you said 430kn is ideal for dogfighting in the F-16, and that was exactly the speed as you hit the trigger for the first kill. Couldn't have been a better set up for a classroom demonstration. 😁

[@drewbacca5467]

What about Hornet vs Super Hornet? I’d love to hear a little more about the differences.

[@hamadalem8045]

Hello I have a challenge for you to play in F 22 against 4 or 8 planes or between these two numbers in the DOGFIGHT system for 3 minutes or more according to your desire and when you confront them do not fire a single shot or missile until the specified time ends

[@cursoryraptor1578]

So... what would happen if you tried to fight in weather so cloudy that visual contact with a target was unreliable?

[@Durzo1259]

Get above or below the clouds while both of you use them on-and-off for cover.

[@JakeHancock8345]

Hi GS, how long do the 10% off codes last for. I’m still very new to dcs and military aviation so I’m not sure on what to buy yet.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

it might be a short while it might be around long term, thats still kind of undecided its up to ED but it won't be there forever I know that much.

[@ИванИванов-э1ч9ъ]

Aircraft with a maximum distance between the wings and the elevator are interesting - with a maximum shoulder of the elevator (shoulder is a term from physics: "shoulder of the force".) - this distance is maximum for aircraft: F-104 Starfighter and MiG-17. Elevator=rear horizontal fenders.

[@nickb8618]

Interesting fight since the yf16 went head to head against the yf17 (which later became the f18) for the Air Force light weight fighter contract to compliment the higher priced F15 program. Obviously we know the f16 won the contract cause it was cheaper. later the navy that took interest in the air forces program had the yf17 modified for Carrier use and awarded a separate contract for the f18. the navy preferred 2 engine jets over open water and needed a cheaper compliment to the f14

[@JOJOMASTER754]

GOOD JOB GS YOUR DOING GREAT KEEP IT UP

[@becausereasons8981]

Whomever that was, probably is texting is buddies... "Bruh I took out Growling Sidewinder. I died twice but I got him."

[@dnorrish117]

I know it's April 1 now, but can you do an AC-130 dogfight?

[@TJP443.]

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[@calico8361]

Thinking about buying the Viper, any tips for fighting/flying with it?

[@AmauryChihuahua]

ALWAYS stay on a rate fight at 350-400 in a dogfight

[@cardriverxxx]

Binge watch GS's F16 videos lol

[@Blazs120gl]

Bring your opponent down to the deck into a two circle rate fight where you can patiently outrate almost anything.

[@wurfyy]

@@Blazs120gl Strangely this doesn't work for me. I can keep my speed nicely between 400 and 430 and I still get outrated by Hornets and Flankers all day long. Then I get in the Hornet instead and outrate the same guy in the same aircraft without difficulty despite not even knowing for sure what speed I should maintain for a rate fight. Around 350-370 seems to work.

[@daviddoyle982]

Don’t forget to thrust vector GS! 😉

[@yowie0889]

very good.🤣

[@yowie0889]

Sorry misread. I thought you were making a joke about differential thrust in a single-engine aircraft.

[@Chef_PC]

The key point is to just have patience. Eventually, your bandit will lose his own and make a mistake.

[@mrmaybe819]

hey GS im sorry for asking again but could you make a tutorial like you did on the viper but for the hornet

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hi there, yes I plan to do something super similar, its in the pipeline.

[@mrmaybe819]

can’t wait

[@kurokawakane]

Amazing video as always! Loving the new outro song as well. What song is it? What a badass way to end your videos. Much love!

[@liquidcatt]

@growlingsidewinder thinking about getting the f15c or f16c for my first dcs plane any tips

[@robhildebrand9914]

It would’ve been better if growling side wonder fought from the f18 perspective (no hate)

[@rbs1997]

Whats that soundtrack at the end and where can i find it? Constantly playing in my head

[@charleichen3763]

“He has the high ground”. Don't jump then

[@johndeluna692]

Fighters bron from the same program. Great to see both dogfight one another

[@clairecelestin8437]

Round 3 getting that Dos Gringos stuck in my head. Oh I wish I had the alpha of a Hornet

[@DeezAster09]

Could you do a short explanation video of what aircraft prefers which circle fight please?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

its not really what each aircraft prefers, very few aircraft like the f16 like only 1 kind of fight like 2 circle in the case of the viper, most often the fight you choose 1c or 2c depends on your bandit. Let's say I'm in a mig29 and I'm fighting a viper, I want to do 1 circle. If I'm a mig29 vs a mirage I actually want 2 circle. I hope that makes sense.

[@DeezAster09]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Of course, thanks for the explanation

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

my pleasure

[@basicforge]

Does a real Hornet sound so cool when it passes?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

yes the sound is pretty accurate

[@basicforge]

@@GrowlingSidewinder It's sort of like a Formula 1 car going by, but even more awesome!

[@Telyzan]

Growling Sidewinder, may I suggest that after each "round" the pilots switch planes because (as an example) the F/A-18 player may not be as familiar with the plane's characteristics compaired to your knowledge of most of the planes?

[@DogDays2025]

Do air brakes work for maneuvering in a dog fight?

[@dgfgts]

They extend and retract usually too slow, but you can try to use them to force an overshoot.

[@wurfyy]

If someone's behind you and you're desperate, you can try.

[@Eluderatnight]

Kill 2 was Red Barron era tactics.

[@burhanilyas]

F16 best machine till date

[@aunderiskerensky2304]

as a beginner BEGINNER if i lose visual, would a blind climb be a good time kill tactic to give me breathing room until i re acquire. just assume if i lost vis, that vertical is the solution. worst case i can't see him but am at least climbing, best case i gambled and won and re acquire while in advantageous position?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

No, if you lose sight you will lose the fight it’s really just that simple. Work on maintaining visual at all times. There is no “if I do this it will be better” do not lose visual.

[@Capt_OscarMike]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Oh Crap...Welp....I'm dead and haven't even booted up yet....Geez!!!

[@aunderiskerensky2304]

@@GrowlingSidewinder well i'll be starting my adventure on a flat panel with no track IR so i'll have to work pretty hard then haha

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

yes, I've seen people get pretty good at just using the different preset camera angles but if you want the best experience you have to invest in some sort of head tracking, I personally am using trackIR5

[@Eluderatnight]

I would like to see a P-51 with a hypothetical tuned turboprop.

[@rmp5s]

The F-16 is the best.

[@knndyskful]

My immediate thought: Ooh this should be good 😈

[@craigbringman7967]

Hey remember that time an F-22 snuck up on Gs in the su-twenty sev… ops forgot that we can’t talk about that here.

[@bdog7262]

Bro love your channel, what headset you using for vr? I also have the yaw2 which makes things more difficult

[@morne7840]

Hi GS. How about a scenario (not a dogfight) flying the (German) Tornado, please?....

[@Capt_OscarMike]

Last one (I noticed after watching this 3 times) ...I urge people to NOT LOOK AT THE GROUND @ ~5:18+...once you notice what I noticed....you can not UN-notice it....apologies for reverting back to the 6th grade but couldn't help it... By the way, I also noticed the "Ceremonial Flares".... I viewed another video just a couple days ago where the person said having that done to him was, "SO disrespectful"... but for life of me... I can not remember who said that.... hmmmmm??? 🙂

[@N-L3]

Video idea: 1x American F-15 EX Eagle vs 12x North Korean Mig-29's

[@curtisjordan5303]

What is the name of tge song after you kill the F-18 the first time?

[@gideonmyles3083]

GS season 2 soundtrack is fire

[@sheldonsinanan1288]

Hey do you guys have the grumman f6f hellcat? if you can you a mission with the grumman f6f hellcat

[@ken33935]

I'm assuming you are not using VR, are you using TrackIR or some sort of eye tracker? thanks.

[@johnnyqwest6901]

We need to see the F-22 vs the YF-23

[@moonage_]

Love the videos GS! I do hope to see more of your cinematic/pure gameplay videos with no commentary. Like your recent "Flanker" video one, or the Blackbird/Foxhound one!

[@TheIronHip]

If your opponent takes the vertical and you don’t have the speed to follow, where should you go from there?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

you've entered the merge with less "cash" to spend (or energy) and you will probably die lol. I guess all you can do at that point is start to build energy and speed and pray you can jink some of his shots and try to neutralize. but if he makes no mistakes....you're probably going to die.

[@apollo9935]

Let me ask the people. All types of combat included, should I get the F16 or FA18?

[@Chief1lung]

Still looking for the fork tailed devil vs. Fat Amy

[@jankek2921]

i feel like the f-18 had almost no chance in this dogfight

[@dgfgts]

The Hornet left his pylons on, too much drag

[@PhthaloType]

I'm guessing Auto GCAS isn't modeled in the Viper...

[@denniss5512]

43 seconds and # 4 with 23 likes. Awesome channel growth.

[@foxhound24]

If I weren’t completely broke from warhammer I would be totally abusing that discount

[@tillerzeit]

What's the outro song you've been doing recently it slaps

[@Gentleman_Jester]

Dude. You should start a Simulator Top Gun School.

[@starmaker23871]

Who else thought that the video was ending when you heard the ending song at the end of round 2?

[@DannyBoy914]

How can we become the adversary for one of your dogfights?

[@64anketell]

Loved your vid the other day with SU-25 vs A-10. You've done A-10 vs WWII warbirds, what about SU-25 vs WWII warbirds?

[@bradytruong9966]

Have you done a f15 vs f18 bvr?

[@bandrea610]

Can we get an updated setup video?

[@joeiacobacci6978]

I'm not a jet expert but does the Canadian 18 or Canadian variant have a better advantage or is it just the same as the American one, thanks for the help anyone !

[@BARONWODENRIC]

We would like to see F-18 BVR