Ranking Black Metal Bands by how POSER they are

[@berserker2551]

In short,everyone is a poser,even the posers are posers of the posers👍🏻

[@Farvann]

Finally someone understanding this stupid video!

[@berserker2551]

​@@Farvann I wonder how long people will continue with this "Poser" nonsense Personally,I find it pathetic on the part of Metalheads It even bores me just listening to it..........🙄

[@noneofyerbeeswax8194]

P0ser!

[@42studios98]

​@@berserker2551 sounds a bit poser

[@berserker2551]

@@42studios98 Glad to be one of them.............🙄

[@WhoAmI-ds9vc]

Darkthrone is the true black metal spirit. The guys just don't give a shit if anyone likes what they do. The polar opposite of selling out. I definitely don't like everything they've done, but I respect the attitude

[@acouphene01]

Calling Darkthrone a "poser band" is poser behavior

[@magnusmaul5447]

I respect everyone's opinion, but I WILL say Darkthrone is my favorite band and I like all their stuff.

[@magnusmaul5447]

Also, I agree with you on Mayhem. I respect totally their undeniable contribution and importance to the genre. However, I rank Mayhem--again, just my own personal tastes, to each their own--below Darkthrone, Burzum, Immortal, Enslaved, Mørk, and Taake. I guess I just find them kind of one-dimensional and less interesting than bands like Burzum and Darkthrone. Also, I enjoy Ghost. Apples and oranges talking about them in a Black Metal context.

[@raakareiska9804]

Bullshit. They are doing these records exactly cause they sell even they would be total dog crap. All the fanboy collectors are going to still buy all them color vinyls just to show off in Instagram. They do not have any kind of "attitude". People argue they are against the trends but its pretty naive not to see they are the trend. Everyone of their latest albums have been praised eventhough no one really cares about them after few years.

[@raakareiska9804]

@@magnusmaul5447 Mayhem has been trying to make the same album for 20 years. Have listened one song from each of their latest records and nothing has improved. They are professional musicians with good skill level but the ideas have been stuck in this same limbo forever

[@jedwalker4543]

Darkthrone cannot be posers. It’s says on the back of the album that it is True Norwegian Black Metal.

[@alphared4655]

😂 self proclamations are always gonna get peoples attention

[@seth-eh4fp]

how about a band called "the black satans" they are so cool you must check them out if u don't know them

[@jedwalker4543]

@@seth-eh4fp can’t they’re too scary.

[@guitarb99]

🤣🤣🤣

[@BluntStop]

@@jedwalker4543 Soulside journey still slaps

[@damaslan2246]

Was about to bring my son to the park and saw the notification. He went on his own, he will do just fine.

[@daograiders]

Yea, give him some leather & denim and boots and he should be fine indeed👍

[@morbidcorpse5954]

You got a Spartan child. Watch him come back with a skinned wolf's hide around his shoulders and a sword and shield. 😮 🤴

[@TheTrueMattiMan]

4:47 scratching invisible balls

[@Farvann]

🤣

[@PIZZAdayisback]

🤣

[@prometheusboat]

*stimulating

[@PriscillaSoaBem]

fondling

[@therealelizabethsmallwood]

XD XD

[@brukernavn3409]

The DSBM icon is just a person commuting to work.

[@Oldwitchcoven]

Is that what makes them so depressed? 😅

[@archthrone5815]

Damn right, it’s what I’m doing right now

[@Diddy666-n9u]

At some point people have to be their own person and stop caring about what other people think

[@mightyturkeyneck1349]

Nah, it's a boxer drubbing the hangin bag.

[@weirdlasw2348]

@@Oldwitchcoven especially when all the seats are occupied and they have to stand for entire trip, so they arrive at work already exhausted.

[@OddTastySausage]

People who said Darkthrone are the real posers.

[@raakareiska9804]

How many colored vinyl editions you bought from their latest dog crap album? If not all then you are a poser. Also you should praise their dog crap lazy riffs as "masterpiece"

[@gurgleglottis6289]

Poser Black Metal must be a new style of music. So we need a video '"How to write a Poser Black Metal Song in 5 minutes" :)

[@chrillzilla1268]

Now i want to see farvann's aproach to that. 🤣

[@PIZZAdayisback]

Take black metal, remove a couple distortion pedals, done

[@morbidcorpse5954]

😂 a couple distortion pedals ​@@PIZZAdayisback

[@PIZZAdayisback]

@@morbidcorpse5954 tbh I don't make black metal but I might need to do that with my tones (Listen to a "Bilehound" song if you don't believe me)

[@Farvann]

Welcome back I guess

[@denudenovsky]

Compass is indeed a word that exists in the English dictionary. You're a poser for not knowing that.

[@guitarb99]

Ghost is closer to Rihanna than it is to metal

[@SBrown-ti8xe]

Yessir you should be top comment

[@guyfawkes8873]

Also Rihanna is good too 😂 as is ghost… and Django Reinhardt played a mean jazz guitar. There are other genres of music than black metal, deal with it 😂

[@guitarb99]

@@guyfawkes8873 you kinda missed the point. Read again :)

[@sonjal.3704]

Lol no. They draw from more traditional metal and rock, especially from the 70's. Just because it's catchy doesn't make it Rihanna.

[@leightaft7763]

Thank you!

[@kev-dawg-hernandez]

There's nothing more poser than a man in his mid 30's telling me what is and isn't poser..

[@raresgreen776]

So true

[@WarMetalChud]

“Erm, actually black metal is about tolerance and accepting everyone. Euronymous was a poser, chud”

[@blackmetalgran7279]

I'm 67. I love black metal. The more raw, the better. I first listened to it out of curiosity. The darkness I had been seeking! It soothes my run over and left for dead spirit.

[@mleszzor6866]

@@blackmetalgran7279 Hail Satan Hail Satan Hail Satan!!! I wish I could kill god, but I am not powerful enough for that yet, I must follow the bright morningstar.

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

I love Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth and they are primarily Symphonic to me. Maybe poser Black, but top notch Symphonic

[@raakareiska9804]

They never claimed to be hardcore satanist's or threat to kill people so they are not posers. Poser is a dork that poses to be something he really is not

[@alexunder4304]

@@raakareiska9804 Lol. Actually early Dimmu Borgir was satanic AF. They have photos with inverted crosses and pentagrams.

[@therealelizabethsmallwood]

I like them too, but then I really like symphonic metal. Was just jamming some old Dimmu this morning.

[@georgecostan3248]

They don't even label themselves as black metal anymore and Dimmu always encouraged people to support black metal bands, which is a cool thing to do, since they were the biggest Norwegian band out there.

[@ThinWhiteLuke]

I really like Behemoth and there album Evangelion. Specifically Ov Fire and the Void. But I’m not a Black Metal guy, I just like dark themes in music from Bathory to Joy Division to Sisters of Mercy, it all sounds good to me. So if Behemoth or Dimmu Borgir is “poser” then so be it (Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia is kickass btw).

[@uba754]

If Kanonenfieber is a poser band then I’m a fucking poser. Band is amazing.

[@jeroen0011]

They're funny for sure but far from Trve Cvlt which obviously isen't their aim the way they dress etc., like the Alestorm of black metal lol, some stuff even has more of a death metal sound (both vocalwise and instruments) and even breakdowns sometimes so I understand it got in that category.... that being said I would love to see them live one day but don't rly know how often they play outside of Germany, but yeah guess I'm a poser as well when it comes to black metal lol

[@Landvermesser16]

Kanonenfieber sucks ass. The guy behind it is a rich arrogant kid whose millionare parents payed for all his expenses. If you look at the music, it is basic as fuck. Just powerchords and some simple melodies mashed together. Lyrics are poorly written. Production is good tho thanks to daddy's money. If you like to listen to some war-themed Black metal, id recommend 1914 and Minenwerfer. These guys have actual talent unlike the poser and mgla copycat from Meddlfranken

[@lordveznan9896]

The problem is no the band, its just they call themselves Black Metal when they clearly are primarily death metal. That being said they are still a hella amazing band but as long as you don't run around screaming: " I am such a Black Metal Head I am so Kvlt I listen to Kanonenfieber !1!1!11!1" you aren't a poser for just listening or enjoying their music

[@uba754]

@@lordveznan9896 I think that is a great point that really highlights the problem with the video entirely. Any of us that enjoy black metal already know the "trve" bands, Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, blah blah blah. What is even the point of the video if it's just to repeat it? Black metal has grown in different directions since then with plenty of amazing bands.

[@TedvonKloggeren-h4f]

They sound like melodic death metal to me

[@borist.]

Me before starting the video..."i should write how disappointed i am that my band isn't in the list"...me seeing my band in the list 👁👄👁 HAHAHA

[@Farvann]

hahahaha

[@lukamctrollface3706]

Omg Boris🥰🫶

[@ian.swift.31614]

At least you know what you are. This thread is an excellent demonstration of the falses having an e-circle jerk "ironically mocking themselves about what they truly are". It doesn't get much more twisted and convuled than your demographics thought process. I saw one of your videos a few months ago skipping about some european metal festival acting fey.

[@ian.swift.31614]

yeah i said convuled instead of convoluted, deal with it big B.

[@borist.]

@@ian.swift.31614 Bro wanna hug or what lol

[@masterked1140]

I dont understand how the og second wave black metal bands could be considered "poser". Like, what even is black metal then?

[@qriofficial1769]

Yeah it's insane, people even call Euronymous a poser when he was one of the most important figures in the entire scene! They should really find another word for people they just don't like lol

[@raakareiska9804]

@@qriofficial1769 he posed to be harder than he really was

[@trashydaze3761]

The scene was mostly made up of a bunch of nerdy, rich suburban kids who were deserpately trying to seem edgy and dangerous. Seems poser to me.

[@fatdelinquent85]

A punk is only truly punk if he denys punk in itself.

[@Tethrys]

Blasphemy came roughly 2 years after Mayhem, and managed to influence waaay superior bands in the future than any of the second wave Norwegian bands.

[@d1slexycpengu1n]

Ghost is the most Black metal Band on this list :3 It only loses to imagine dragons

[@BObbert179]

Don’t forget nickelback, the true GOAT

[@17rainbowxen]

Forgot to mention weezer tbh

[@mysticprophecy5395]

Babymetal too

[@DoomedOak]

the most real setence of farvann being ""stop spending time on tiktok my friends, it makes you more happy""

[@Eye_Exist]

In my terms 'poser' means someone who desperately tries to appear "black metal"; trying to appear more satanic, nihilistic, evil etc. than they actually are for being acknolwedged by the genre/scene. drifting away from the genre or becoming too polished are two completely different (and separate) things for me, neither good or bad inherently. it's all about how well it is executed. some do it just to appeal the softer mainstream listeners which would be bad, others do from the heart because they actually have more things to give musically, and that often is very good. good examples for the latter being Dimmu Borgir and Bathory.

[@Alifesalife]

So all black metal then. Because let's be real: there's nothing genuinely "evil" about dressing up in dumb costumes and playing music. The whole black metal thing is just larpy poser nerd metal for edgy lotr fans or nazis

[@FreyjaJ]

Perfectly stated. I was about to post the same. Always frustrated when bands who progress in their sound beyond one genre get called "posers." By that reasoning, most every band ever pretty much deserves to be called posers.

[@kdaviper]

Don't you know you can't be black metal unless you record in a literal dumpster!?

[@darkestoath666]

2:22 pun intended? 😂 “i can nazi why burzum…”

[@scorpions1965]

Damn I’m noticing it now😂😂

[@GloomTombProductions]

"Anne Frankly, I dont understand why people dont like Varg"

[@timmi_white]

HAHAHAHAHAAHAH

[@MarcusAsenlund]

Yeah 😅

[@darkestoath666]

@@GloomTombProductions 🤣

[@melvinfz0301]

Who in the blue hell could think that Burzum is poser? One thing is dislike Varg as a person but Burzum first 4 records are amazing.

[@shawn-t9d]

no,《Belus》《Fallen》《Umskiptar》 are the best Burzum albums

[@ilkvomit88]

Facts !! LONG LIVE THE COUNT!!

[@Justinsox39]

Varg is a great man

[@FortressofShred]

Varg is faker than Lee Press-On nails 🤣

[@ilkvomit88]

@@FortressofShred it's easy to sprout crap about him now.. But the dude was a master of his craft in the early days of the scene. And that is something you can NEVER take away from him.

[@Damaged_SouI]

Other than the DSBM hate I mostly agree, but idk how u hate DSBM for being too easy to make when we both know how easy regular black metal is to make.

[@PIZZAdayisback]

It's not as interesting

[@reelredroom]

Easy to make, but not easy to make well. And that can be true for pretty much any punk/metal adjacent genre

[@hypovolemic]

@@PIZZAdayisback With bands like Bethlehem, Silencer, Suizid, Forgotten Tomb etc existing, there sure is very interesting and unique DSBM bands. I'd put them higher than in poser tier. Although yes I'd argue most of the genre as a whole is pretty boring unless you're into that type of sound.

[@PIZZAdayisback]

@@hypovolemic I'm personally more into thrash, prog and death metal so it's not like I can fairly judge BM but I've heard a bit (if sepultura's first album counts)

[@hypovolemic]

@@PIZZAdayisback Early Sepultura is arguably more similiar to the first wave of black metal, same category as Sarcofago, Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory but the genre has changed quite a lot since.

[@wheelsofmercury]

I do agree that Alcest isn’t really black metal in the traditional sense, but they still have black metal parts. I call them “blackened shoegaze”, but they are still a very incredible band.

[@Ekaidseaky]

They are the ultimate example of black gaze

[@Mp57navy]

The genre is called Blackgaze.

[@saxönsplitter-o1n]

​@@Mp57navybut "actually" blackgaze would be stuff like Darkspace, maybe Paysage d’Hiver?

[@wheelsofmercury]

@@Mp57navy I know.

[@neonwitch1449]

​@@saxönsplitter-o1nno. Darkspace is just atmospheric black metal and dark ambient

[@NerglethVonDiesel]

Nonsense...you just try to divide metal community and call some of them true metal fans or not. It reminds me when years ago there was a group of "true" metals and we call them a "Metal Militia". It is riddiculous. None of us should be treaten this way. Every metal band is unique and gives us something - lyrics, music, some kind of art. We have a lot of metal genres and some band are just in the middle of everything. We can talk about that, but the only thing we should always do is to sneak up above the horizon and try to understand what stands behind the band. Gather the people, not divide them. Metal music is supposed to unite, not divide.

[@Сашаромисмерть]

Cringe ,

[@dannebergh]

if you like it you like it if another person dont you still like it so it doesent mather wat other peoples think for you in the end is what i think dont mind me

[@wormfost5578]

Dimmu gets a lot of shit because they’ve evolved but they have an amazing body of work and can’t be discredited. I hold them very high as artists.

[@FreyjaJ]

Thank you. Ranking them below some of those other bands is madness. Their early stuff is most definitely symphonic black metal, and they were no more "posers" than any other band in the genre.

[@devendasmusic]

Same bro

[@thekeefer690]

Nathan Explosion: We are here to make coffee metal... We will make everything metal... Blacker than the blackest black, times infinity

[@diante698]

Nathan: "I, a poser? Hold my coffee."

[@Kanonenfieber.official]

Poser-Tierlist achievement unlocked! 🔓

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

POSER, Spaß mach weiter so

[@Oudenophobiaoffical]

AYEEEEEEEEE KANONENFIEBERRRR

[@fbiopenup8371]

Love u noise

[@herecuzimbored7057]

as someone who likes depressive black metal, 90% of it is garbage and appeal to posers. Bit of a shame but u just have to ignore it

[@tmsplltrs]

Yeah it feels hard to get into black metal t’s either crazy good or really weak. The difference in quality already between equally iconic artists like burzum and mayhem is unheard of in other genres I’d say

[@Necro-Sadist]

Alot of bands who make depressive black metal dont even call themselves dsbm they just get labeled that like the band bethlehem alot of people call it dsbm even though it never even existed when the band made music

[@lm7_gio]

I think only non-metalheads could possibly think that Ghost are a metal band.

[@fcamiola]

Ghost IS a metal band, but they are so much more than that.

[@andrewjackson2843]

The only Ghost I like or have ever liked were a rare old polish DM band from late 80's/early 90's. Had a demo called "Noc Demona" very cool shit

[@MuitoNormal]

Ghost is Metal in some pieces of music. But is not a Metal Band.

[@dantesabbath2107]

Ghost IS metal bro, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't. The whole idea of ghost is rock opera and metal instrumentals which makes it metal

[@marcp.1752]

Never liked 'em, its like pop for the masses...tf?! yawn.

[@CHA0S_L0RD234]

My opinion on Behemoth, good music, just not blackened enough if you get what I’m saying. They’re more death metal to me, still good music as I said, just not black metal (after the first few albums is what I’m talking about they did start off as black metal)

[@raakareiska9804]

Frontman is acting like teenage girl doing internet drama about evil christian gym's. So much for his credibility

[@symptomofsouls]

@@raakareiska9804 Nergal is an asshole

[@ian.swift.31614]

Behemoth has had a Jewish lawyer for decades. Free Palestine.

[@ThinWhiteLuke]

@@raakareiska9804so nothing to do with the actual music.

[@epidemicmagick]

First few albums were actually more death metal, just the perspective on what death metal is has drastically changed over the years. I always saw Behemoth as Deicide that wanted to be Dimmu Borgir.

[@alexunder4304]

Instant like for Burzum. This man is a music genius.

[@pastromer8552]

not me thinking the DSBM logo was someone punching a punching bag 😭

[@scorpions1965]

I was trying to figure out what band it is😂

[@Flolfywolfy]

Though I agree with the Dimmu take, Stormblast is still one of my favorite albums in the genre. Fantastic sympho black. Hell, everything up till Enthrone Darkness Triumphant is brilliant.

[@Eilandfreier364]

Grausamkeit is great. I live in the most southern part of the black forest in Germany with my terrasse facing towards the treeling. Nothing better than sitting with a cold beer in the hottub while listeing to grausamkeit.

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

Yeah that Sounds nice

[@Yoshi92]

2y ago I was on vacation in the black forest and since there was no internet I only had one album on my phone. When the Night Falls by Severoth. Sitting stoned af on the porch, watching the black forest and listening to my fav album... was pbly the best listening session I ever had. The mountains/hills are fkin magical, no matter if down in the valley or at the top. I always have to smoke one at epic spots in nature, and in the black forest I had to stop for a smoke like every 500m, that's just how fkin dope the black forest is! 🖤🌲 (Yes, had portable ashtray with me and yes, I'm fkin jealous you get to live there! 💀)

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

@@Yoshi92 Austria and Overall South Germany (Near the Swiss Border) is also dope. They have a lot of Castels, nice mountains and overall nice nature ( i live there so you can trust me)

[@Eilandfreier364]

@@Yoshi92 Sometimes you'll listen to certain albums at a very specific time in your life which makes them extra enjoyable. The black forest is very dear to my heart since I walk my dog there almost daily but the most magical forest I've ever been to was Algonquin Park in Canada. If you haven't been there you should give it a try. And don't forget to bring you Severoth album with you :)

[@Eilandfreier364]

@@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047 I moved here about two years ago. I lived in Vienna before that fro almost 10 years, now I live in a tiny village of 300. It's a change for sure but one I don't regret so far.

[@johannesswarts1440]

this is silly - people sitting around discussing what is doom/death/black/blackened/etc/etc metal, who is/isn't, how many percent poser they are, who has gone up/down the metal hierarchy, etc, etc, etc. Like 12-year-olds arguing who would win a comic book hero fight.

[@johannesswarts1440]

Listen to Sex Pistols - no gradient, no poser... simple.

[@vladimirtretyakov3911]

I thought for a long time why you don't like Polish music, and then I realized that you were talking about "polished" sound. Sorry for my English

[@kingnotail3838]

He's just waiting to invade again

[@lordsatanas696]

Loved the early Dimmu’s so much. I’d put them under ‘Too Bad They Changed’. Agreed with the rest of the list tho.

[@FreyjaJ]

Same. They do not deserve to be ranked below those other bands. I like what they put out in the 1990s and early 2000s. After that, not so much. But I listen to the early stuff regularly.

[@Thecynic100]

Enthroned Darkness Triumphant, Spiritual Black Dimensions, and Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia are all solid albums

[@mej684]

I have no problem with polished black metal. I play raw for my drive into work but I want something smoother on my way home.

[@UnlockingYourEnergy]

Definitely agree that different genres are better for different times of the day. I listen to 90s pop in the morning. By noon, Im Gorgoroth. By evening I'm ambient harp music.

[@ansari8225]

I would say you nailed it perfectly with this list.

[@superboyprime5043]

Dimmu Borgir is my favorite Black Metal band next to Mgla. I like their unique sound that blends orchestral/symphonic and black metal together. As someone who also enjoys classical music i think it's a cool fusion genre.

[@lokeforce8905]

PEM and spiritual album are masterpieces.

[@alexsitaras6508]

Still enjoy their 90's and early 00's from time to time

[@alexunder4304]

@@lokeforce8905 Spiritual Black Dimention is not only best sympho-metal album, it's also one of the best albums in rock music in general. Riffs, drums, vocals, solos. This album is classics.

[@lokeforce8905]

@@alexunder4304 yeah its a 10/10 album, need to listen it through again. Perfect for working 🤣when i think of black dimensions i think of the sound of this album. I did a piano tutorial of the insight.. on my KZbin channel if you wanna check it out 🙂

[@fcamiola]

​@@alexunder4304I love Dimmu but I have yet to dig into SBD. I will....

[@cliffordthevinylcheapskate351]

As soon as you put Immortal on the "Approved" teir I watched the rest. Fun video. Cheers.

[@Fafnl0]

the entire saarland black metal scene from the 90s - early 00s is top tier, you should give his other projects a listen as well as the other guys stuff.

[@rosomak4560]

In my place in Slovakia where I live are lot of young metalheads who are getting into metal because of Dsbm, they maybe look like posers but they are getting into other Bm stuff and i like it, one of them is my Girlfriend and i not even listen to that genre that much but i like these youngs getting into metal this or other ways 🤘🤘

[@jsviktor5]

you should have putted burzum in poser so varg starts a twitter fight with you XDD

[@Farvann]

hahaha yes

[@oleblue73]

Love this. Thank you. Subbed.

[@veganashley7]

Hi! Real life poser here, as usual spending my day enjoying life listening to Behemoth and Dimmu and Deafheaven and DSBM while telling people I love black metal. I hope this information ruins the day of any music snob who reads this. If you, however, have a great time listening to music that you love while also not shitting on other people for listening to what they like, I hope you have a long, beautiful, immensely happy life 🥰

[@air8orne734]

I never found my way into Back Metal... Kanonenfieber was the first Band that klicked for me. The WW1 Theme and this kind Music fits SO WELL together. Thx ARTE!

[@Farvann]

arte .. shut up and take my money! 😄

[@Farvann]

Enjoy this nonsense video!

[@LiSeven]

blub

[@UnrestrainedHatred]

I do not see why u placed dsbm as Poser when bands like leviathan, forgotten tomb and even xasthur are black metal masterpieces

[@Farvann]

@@UnrestrainedHatred "Springtime Depression" is one of my favourite albums. Don't take this video too seriously.

[@Dawn95284]

I will!!!

[@UnrestrainedHatred]

@@Farvann springtime depression will always be a favorite of mine, I would describe it as more consistent than perhaps "and dont deliver us from evil" although the songs cold summer and nullifying tomorrow are great

[@Sea-lion]

I think old DSBM like sortsind, shinings old albums, and trist is black metal. New age DSBM is more rooted in blackgaze and ambience

[@bencebalogh2710]

Just a german hating on the polish, nothing new here 🥱

[@Farvann]

hahahaha

[@starrdustt9717]

what Polish?

[@Farvann]

@@starrdustt9717 Behemoth are from Poland. He's just joking.

[@starrdustt9717]

@@Farvann they're ukrainian mafia, to set things strite

[@Ustash88]

Where is Marduk, Gorgoroth, Watain, Enthroned, Inquisition ?

[@DDD3STR0Y]

I can understand why you think DSBM is poser, but man, I still like it. At least a couple of bands, like Xasthur or Sacrimoon(album of 2017, of course), really good. I don't count Lifelover, Shining or Psyhonaut 4, because it doesn't even remotely resemble DSBM. But there are good groups in DSBM, there is no denying that. ^_^

[@raakareiska9804]

Cause they pose being all depressed, anxious and suicidal but real man would have already killed himself instead of writing songs about it

[@Agalloch1234]

Melancholie 2 by Coldworld. One of my top ten favorite black metal albums ever and it’s DSBM. Literally a perfect album.

[@theRiordan]

​@@Agalloch1234I LOVE "We are doomed" from the Isolation Album, such a great atmosphere. I even had to cry listening to it the first time 😮😅 Great artist!

[@Eli-pr4gm]

What would you consider Lifelover and P4 if not their own kind of DSBM? I see no other genre fitting better Sort of agree with Shining, it's not really DSBM but also has its fair share of parts of it

[@petera6355]

@@Agalloch1234 this album is one of my favorite album too, but I think it is no DSBM any way, it is atmospheric black/dark ambient

[@jaysonwitting4671]

I missed lengthy farvann videos :) nice birthday present

[@Farvann]

Nice coincidence! Happy birthday

[@jaysonwitting4671]

@@Farvann Thaaaaanks

[@kylegood412]

Trick subject. Every black metal band are posers

[@Nile8765]

love the tier list videos. The amount of bands you put me onto is insane.

[@rhythmmmmm.]

Sometimes art needs a little gatekeeping. Or else you end up with metalcore.

[@KurouzuZehaha]

Great list 👌🏼

[@bluenothing_666]

Frank Riegler created Kanonenfieber as an accessible and well marketable project and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't remember Frank Riegler/Noise ever claiming that Kanonenfieber is Black Metal. Yes, it was published on Black Metal Promotion, but they even upload Doom or Death Metal sometimes. It's like the next logical step for someone who started with Sabaton, got bored but still liked the energy of it. His other side projects work the same way, Non Estus Deus is like that for bored Behemoth fans, and Leipa is like that for bored DSBM fans. I'd say it's like the musical equivalent of a bridge. His other early projects, Nemus and Dreamshift sound exactly like his current stuff, but lacked that aspect of "spiritual succession"/bridge

[@tobias3023]

Different question: Where do you know his name? Has it been an open secret already on who' behind Kanonenfieber?

[@d_6639]

@@tobias3023yeah its a deathcore poser from south germany

[@FranjoSchuddebeurs-Thorn]

how do you know noise name ?

[@metal_monocle7334]

@@tobias3023 No, but it seems like it's common'ish knowledge in Germany. And it is Riegler indeed, his wife - Sabine Riegler - is even listed as the contact person on the Noiserecords site.

[@saxönsplitter-o1n]

Well, one could argue that calculated accesibility and market conformism in this degree actually is "wrong" - obviously not economically, but at least artistical and also especially from the historical perspective regarding the WWI theme.

[@lukaszorzechowski8629]

Dude whole this discussion who is poser or not is pointless, it's all about the taste and will to listen. Well, no accounting for taste.

[@TheSaiyanKing]

I don't agree, and I'm actually curious about your "more polished sound = not Black Metal" thing. By that logic, wouldn't Mgła be considered "not Black Metal", since Age of Excuse and even Exercises in futility are a lot more polished than Groza or their early EPs?

[@annah.9116]

I consider Mgla a great Black Metal band, even starting a new branch: "Polish Black Metal". They are a bit more melodic but still raw.

[@mleszzor6866]

@@annah.9116 There has existed Polish black metal before Mgła. How did they start that "branch"?

[@YeisonAlexanderMaldonadoGarcia]

All black metal is for posers. Except for Blasphemy. Oh wait, Blasphemy is War Metal

[@InfidelAmsterdam]

“Making a tier list is the least creative thing one can do”….. Many youtubers, take note!!!

[@Farvann]

😂

[@blackcatcommenter]

Idk might be a hot take but I feel like DSBM fits the mood of black metal even better than the classics and imo the lyrics and messaging are far more compelling. The whole “I love satan and trees” stuff gets old after awhile (all due respect to the classics though)

[@MrJibsIV]

The thing that cracks me up about Burzum is Varg made 4 of the best atmospheric black metal albums ever. Then he proceeded to talk about how much he hates black metal.

[@FreyjaJ]

The Thulean Poser. 😄

[@redryder666]

Sehe dich zum ersten Mal und habe abonniert. Grüsse von einem „alten“ Metalhead aus der Schweiz. 🤘🏼

[@Farvann]

Grüße!

[@SavageZoom]

I'm 45 years old and I've long, long, long since moved on from the nonsense of "poser" labels. What really matters is the music. It matters little what they wear. That kind of label is a bit like putting yourself on the same level as the general materialism in all aspects of society.

[@theknight2395]

I'd say Leviathan and Lurker of Chalice are the only good DSBM acts.

[@lyndonmclovin7910]

Thankyou, that was awesome 👍😊

[@jakobhanneman7886]

Blackgaze and hipster black metal are sort of the synonyms of poser black metal , but they are still better than what people call alternative metal.

[@ThomasWake-k9j]

Ahem Liturgy

[@Grayson1996]

ur more poser

[@mattf2967]

I like your list, I really never thought to call Deafheaven shoegaze.

[@IanForonda-u6m]

I know a lot of people like what they are currently doing, and I like some of it myself, but I'd put Darkthrone in the "too bad they changed" category. A lot of bands have copied what they did in the early to mid '90s and have done great things with it, but I can't help but imagine what Darkthrone would have come up with if they did not break away from, and continued to develop within those extreme limitations they imposed upon themselves.

[@FreyjaJ]

I agree. Vastly prefer the early stuff from them. I listen to (my favourite black metal band) Djevel and occasionally wonder what might have been for Darkthrone if they'd kept the foundational second-wave sound but progressed in their composition.

[@tripleaaakollektiv870]

you pose on youtube

[@Farvann]

You're goddamn right 😎

[@christophernatale7436]

Farvann is great…….. it’s just funny that he thinks he’s old. 🤣 I’m 49, I’m OLD in his eyes.

[@michaelgiesler1896]

Yeah, I am always smiling as well, remembering having seen live Dissection, Cradle of Filth, Dimmu Borgir in the same evening back in the 90s. ;-)

[@lamenzies]

😂 I know, right? I remember calling certain punk bands posers 40 years ago. This all deja vu to me now, but will always be entertaining.

[@megasalexandrosthegreat]

Ghost didn t even said or tried to be Metal. Ghost is Ghost, like Rammstein, it has its one genre. It borrows elements from pop, altt rock, psychedelic rock, arena rock, all the way to funeral doom or traditional heavy metal. What is important, is that their songs are good, and they are bring more new rock&metal fans every year than most of the old classic bands. A Kpop, or Taylor Swift fan will never get into metal with Darkthrone, but maybe with Ghost

[@ian.swift.31614]

a youtuber making a tier list about poser bands. ... yeah. 2024.

[@Farvann]

(it's a joke video pointing exactly that out 😉)

[@Khaelox]

100% agree with everything, as you say "people confuse poser listening to metal with poser metal bands", you have a new subscriber and many more likes in the future! HAIL \\m//(>.

[@AlexZen-c8b]

Actualy the guy behind grausamkeit has way more projects and a few of them are nsbm like corneus or jæw atomizer and his wife died in 2013

[@Farvann]

Yeah I know. And one of them is named after a South Park episode. Like what the hell man 😂

[@off6848]

For DSBM listen to Shyy - Shyy it’s somehow more kvlt than 90% of raw BM That album has such a raw authentic feeling and is peak DSBM imo

[@MrYourfavoritezombie]

ranking youtubers by how much of a poser they are #1: Farvann

[@Farvann]

That's a very short list dude

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

Poser

[@DOROHEDOROFAN]

@@Farvann heres the extended list: #2: Farvann

[@Farvann]

@@DOROHEDOROFAN #1 Farvann #2 Jared Dines Now that would have been a burn. You still gotta learn how to bully!

[@DOROHEDOROFAN]

@@Farvann 😭😭

[@RazzorBladess]

Many people hate some subgenres of BM, such as DSBM or Noise BM because "they are not that technical" but my fav bands belong to them. I am really enjoying the shrieking vocals as well as the lofi-raw sound of raw BM.

[@mleszzor6866]

Black metal is supposed to be against technical. Look at some of the early riffs from Burzum for example. The more technical the music is, the worse it is. Technical music is not a part of black metal. It is poser trash, truly.

[@schrankieee2553]

I dunno, all of them released more than one album, most of their band isnt dead or having life sentence in prison, so by avarage reddit comment 99% of the black metal bands supposed to be poser. So i guess i am another poser weirdo who picks something he likes instead of being those "black metal elitist" who cant even agree what is black metal P.S: Durbatuluk is the biggest poser of them all! :D

[@bapez2976]

Alles richtig gemacht , geiles video

[@Bourbon_de_Gironde]

I'm a great fan of Kanonenfieber. Period. :) And I am a Frenchman, so no grudge about WWI (or WWII... see you soon for WWIII) [In fact, I'm not a beginner... I listen to black metal since 30 years... and death metal since 31 years...]

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

Hell yeah

[@Agent_Ste]

Hey french brother. At least this time we are on the same team

[@Bourbon_de_Gironde]

@@Agent_Ste Yeah! \m/

[@feodorfiorina7835]

@@Bourbon_de_Gironde As partly German I am very much into French Death Metal (Mutilator/Mutilated, Catacomb, Mercyless, Skelethal) and French Black Metal (Darvulia, S.V.E.S.T., Cendres, Black Murder, Osculum Infame, Sainte Marie des Loups). But with Kanonenfieber we are definitely not in the same team. The music is a cash grab on clueless individuals (accurately more mass people) with no taste in music except for cheap effects. Don't get into that terrain, it's dangerous. This stuff is in the same league as Metal Core and Melo Death, styles that neither get claimed by Metal nor Death Metal at all. If you say That's my in group - you're out.

[@Flakpanzerofficial]

FINALLY A NEW FARVANN VIDEO

[@BarBarian-sy5xz]

I’ve liked Grausamkeit (B.S.o.D) for years. Never heard ppl really talk about him until recently.

[@deadmanisboy2985]

one of his songs got popular on tiktok a few years back

[@BarBarian-sy5xz]

@@deadmanisboy2985Yeah, I just heard that from a comment on RFI. That’s weird, I thought Tiktok was a teeny bopper thing, I never thought something like that’d be on there. Strange times.

[@amazingpasta666]

@@BarBarian-sy5xz It's the novelty of how unusual of an artist it is which was why teens liked it. Obscure, edgy backstory, music that sounds like it was recorded in a torture dungeon. Teens love boasting about their uniqueness in the most shallow ways possible, and something like Grausamkeit is a perfect band to show off just how quirky and different you are by being a listener.

[@BarBarian-sy5xz]

@@amazingpasta666whoa, that’s a good breakdown. Makes sense too. I’m in my 40’s so I had no idea.

[@raakareiska9804]

@@BarBarian-sy5xz It is teeny dopamine junkie app. All these people posting their corpsepaint faces in there are fucking pathetic normies

[@blinkbomb]

Exactly Kanonenfieber is death metal. I totally get the pop music category because to me they’re like a extreme metal digest. Nice to relax and chill to. Not bad stuff at all and very catchy!

[@NeptuneTowers]

'Ghost is not metal' should be a t-shirt

[@FuneralofHearts1313]

I agree with your list actually lol. Great video very fun

[@DiaboluusIscariot]

Grausamkeit auf nem Farvann Thumpnail? Damit hätt ich nicht gerechnet, vor allem weil es eine meiner top 5 Black Metal bands ist!

[@yxngsellei]

Dissection meets every criteria you set for being poser, yet it was the realest black metal out there. Their final albums sound is way different than black metal, and it sounds crystal clear, yet it has the most evil and satanic atmosphere from any band.

[@AvarTyrog]

I don't agree as a symphonic black metal fan but I can realy enjoy your videos even if you make tierlists. I usually like stuff with good production more and I know that thats a hot take but I think that filosofem and de mysteriis dom satanas have a very good production.

[@Berbasecks]

They what? And here I am, a polished sound poser who'd maybe actually like Burzum if all of it got re-recorded so it doesn't sound crappy :D

[@FreyjaJ]

​@@Berbasecks I mean, for 1990s Norwegian black metal the production on both albums is pretty good. But I'm Norwegian, so I have to say so. 😆

[@marcp.1752]

People are weird, they bash DSBM for instance, but listening to symphonic bm in general....dafuq! Filosofem was always the best from brrrrrzzzum for my taste. And Mayhem is always Freezing moon with Dead on vocals, not Attila.

[@ppbunt]

I've been a metalhead for decades, but have only gotten into black metal in the last year or so. Alcest is actually the band that got me interested in the first place, and now I'm mainly listening to the more polished bands as you call them lol. Still growing and learning!

[@ntsHR]

Love the ancient pc case

[@Farvann]

12 years 😄

[@Alvarrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

New Video 🔥 you are so cool farvann , and Immortal is great

[@Schweinegulasch]

agreed. Kanonenfieber is overrated and doesn't even feel like bm. Ghost is the hard rock version of ABBA :D

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

Kanonenfieber is DM

[@mlody969]

Honestly, I don't understand the word 'poser'. If you recorded an album in style X and then decided to make something different, does that mean you’re still bound by the label attached to your first album? If we think like that, then Darkthrone are posers of death metal.

[@lefloeck]

Elitists are posers, too. Aren't they? 😅

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

Yes

[@Farvann]

We're all posers here 😎

[@lefloeck]

@@Farvann 🤝🥳

[@Eli-pr4gm]

I am casually the biggest poser based off of this list because I primarily listen to DSBM and the entire genre is poser haha

[@SIRebrum]

Anybody else got *Behemoth* Sponsored Ad in the beginning of this Video lol❔ 💀

[@malachai80]

DSBM as posers, I can go with that, but - but(t) - Livelover is still great. And the old Shining albums (first three) are more raw Black Metal than DSBM, at least in my opinion. That said, the frontman, like many people in the mentioned bands in the video, is a bit cringe, what probably was why they were mentioned. Und jetzt geh ich Belphegor hören

[@palmirunar8554]

What a funny video coming from a total poser

[@Farvann]

Someone's asking for love and attention. Here you go: 😘🫂