Fearow vs Pidgeot - Which early bird gets the worm? - Pokemon Yellow

[@gabrieletaccioli9763]

Fun fact: when I was a kid I mistook the ho-oh in the First anime episode for a fearow, so I was convinced that Fearow was a legendary pokemon, sad but true

[@stevekirkby6994]

I always assumed it was Moltres.....even after gold and silver were released 🙄

[@Michael-jo9jz]

I always thought Fearow evolved into Ho-oh

[@twikie258]

@@stevekirkby6994 They might be related. Who knows ?

[@stevekirkby6994]

@@twikie258 a legendary evolution that they ended up cancelling 🤔

[@nich6200]

I doubt you were the only one

[@thetwiggamingchannel9578]

"Rapidash uses tail whip, which boosts my attack."- A sentence that only og pokemon fans will understand

[@jaredparks4713]

Defiant though?

[@AlbRomano]

@@jaredparks4713 defiant, but it's an omniboost

[@thetwiggamingchannel9578]

@Carlos Albornoz imagine if they actually added that lol

[@et34t34fdf]

I mean, you could kinda argue psyduck doing the same in the anime did the same to cloyster.

[@grundgutigertv6170]

It was ninetales tho

[@zagger999]

I actually understand why Pidgeot is more intuitive for most people as that was the bird they used growing up if R/B/Y was their first game and if they watched the anime at all they rather have it than Fearow due to how it was portrayed. Now come to terms with that both birds fail to even compete with the true bird king of Kanto, barring legendaries, Dodrio.

[@vreeze33]

Tri attack's animation alone is enough to make dodrio the best gen 1 bird.

[@ChristianSedaPlays]

I always used Pidgey just out of loyalty as a kid. But I always knew Fearow was objectively better. I just thought he wasn’t as cool looking. Same with Dodrio. If I could go back I wish I would have used more team variety back then for fun.

[@travisalexander6440]

@@ChristianSedaPlays Same: Pidgeot being (subjectively) the best looking of the three is why I kept running with it. The only thing Fearow has over Dodrio (in the games) is earlier accessibility. When he decides to do a Dodrio start-to-finish run, it can also get Body Slam. Probably will help make Raichu a little more palatable via either a clean 2-shot or a 1-shot with a crit.

[@SlainOracle]

I fucking love Dodrio and Farfetch'd bro, underrated af

[@henrycalde1991]

I always kept the fearow for the same reason that too many other kids at the time had pidgeot 🤣 my fearow would drill peck their pidgeot into oblivion when we had link battles😁 granted i always used a bit of vitamins to bolster his stats but that was really just icing on the cake

[@seanpollard3393]

I think you should use “levels grinded” for a metric instead of final level. This helps illustrate how much a Pokémon is walled at a certain point and how much you have to grind to overcome it, without penalizing a Pokémon that levels up faster for being a higher level.

[@TheLeviathan1293]

I agree. That takes into account difference in growth rates, such as in this case. It doesn't make that much of a difference in this case, though, since Medium fast is just a little slower than medium slow for the first 50 or so levels and a little faster for the rest. It makes a max of two or three levels of difference. I think it would make a nice difference from pokemon in fast and slow groups where there can be a difference of 14 levels.

[@Matt_Zoran]

On the other hand pkm that struggle against brock will have a disadvantage in that case. Grinding from lvl 10-20 takes way longer in the forest than lets say lvl 50-60 in the late game

[@iantaakalla8180]

Surprisingly, that means that level finished does matter so far as it reflects level grinding. Like if you can do the regular gym challenge without much grinding but then you grind up to Level 90 for that good move the levels matter. That being said, if the levels they end up when finishing the game become a metric again, it should be split into four different metrics. Levels grinded/time taken but recalibrated to adjust for experience group would measure how much effort it takes to grind up a Pokémon. The amount of levels needed for each grind is needed to see just how much time is dedicated for each grind. The amount of grinds needed and where they are illustrate how bad the Pokémon is for that region because that describes how many key fights wall that Pokémon. Finally, the level they finished at remains. Now “level a Pokémon finished at” is more properly an effort marker than just a level comparison. Furthermore, significant blocks, like Brock, Whitney, Watson, Norman, Tate and Liza, Platinum’s Fantina, Lenora or Cheren, Ultra Necrozma, or Eternatus should be noted so that we can actually gauge overall ease instead of thinking a Pokémon sucks because it matches poorly against the next major battle, or that a Pokémon is good because it handles the next few battles well.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

That is an excellent idea.

[@poploah4405]

Wouldn't this fall under real time

[@luizbezerra4373]

Haven’t watched yet, but wanna try to predict: Fearow is gonna win because Drill Peck + higher attack stat

[@KaitoSan777]

Yup and it already has higher speed + it evolves early.

[@prototipolq-84i46]

and +vel

[@gibran6190]

Nerf drill peck

[@HistoryandReviews]

@xIcyStarzz return wasnt a move in generation 1 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@ChristianSedaPlays]

Drill peck was insane in gen 1.

[@federicodebiasi6228]

I can’t believe that they achieved so similar results 😳 meanwhile Dodrio watching this video is thinking “ I obviously can do better” 😂

[@Stink252]

Nah dude, Farfetch'd could destroy all 3!

[@212mochaman]

@@Stink252 agility + swords dance x2 + drill peck. Hit a 5 or 6 times for the e4, rinse repeat

[@thomass.4007]

@@212mochaman It would get too many crits, which make swords dances worthless

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

As a kid I considered the Legendary Birds in generation 1 as weird elemental powered super versions of the Pidgey and Spearow lines. Articuno has a similar beak and general body shape to the Pidgey line while Zapdos and Moltres with their longer beaks and angry expressions reminded me of Fearow.

[@allenhumphrey7749]

At the heart of it Pokémon is evolution based there is a possibility that in the Pokémon universe a articuno can be a sterile genetic offspring of a pidgeot and a ice bird

[@jamiecarter4461]

Yea maybe they are super versions of them but dotrio would be for moltres since it has 3 in its name

[@allenhumphrey7749]

@@jamiecarter4461 name wise it’s clever but Moltres favors fearow so my guess is a fearow/rapidash

[@bigdog421]

The pokemon cards kinda back this idea up, because i remember having this one Delta Species Pidgey that was Electric type (Delta Species was a fun lil run where the mons had types that were wildy different, a fire ralts, steel magikarp and Eevee, etc. I think there was even a dark&steel Persian)

[@ashharkausar413]

@@bigdog421 Wow, didnt even know they made those!

[@freakied0550]

I'd like to see a race between 2 of the same pokemon, 1 having the best DVs possible and 1 having the worst just to see how much of a difference it makes.

[@paulnewton2284]

I think it would be especially good if he used an especially strong Pokemon. Not necessarily Mewtwo, but maybe, like, Gyarados or something.

[@michaelgroce966]

This

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Planned

[@ryano9520]

Oh ya that’s a good one. I would think Nidoking bing fairly balanced stat wise would showcase the direct difference but maybe another mon would need a whole different move set between the the little buggers, that would be cool.

[@necroshy]

Brilliant

[@The_Red_Drifter]

About every Nuzlocke I've done I've had Fearow on the final team, while every time I tried to get Pidgeot it fainted early on. And Pidgeot's Gen 1 learnset is pitiful.

[@fangiscool1]

I just did a firered nuzlocke and they both died in victory road after being with me almost the entire game. Sad tunnel lol

[@raulcarela20]

Fr it’s best bet for a move set would be as follows: Double edge Sky attack Quick Attack Toxic

[@friedrichritter1978]

Sand attack has once again caused so much pain. It's interesting to note that both pidgey and spearow get the ability Keen Eye, which prevents loss of accuracy, in Gen 3.

[@willooo09]

I always love when one seems slower on the first run, but has more room for optimization and ends up being faster

[@OtakuJuanma2]

'Drill peck slices through her entire team" No, it pierces through her entire team.... And the heavens

[@jaye4521]

Rooting for Fearow. One of my favorite Gen 1 mons.

[@AlphaDal-if9vv]

I know dodrio outclasses fearow in stats and battle, but Honestly I have more fondness for fearow.

[@jonathansnodgrass4330]

Really love when the playthrough involves the pokemon evolving , as then it makes it feel like a true game for me, rather than just same evolution stage all way thru, love all the videos tho, thank you

[@nolaabroad1514]

I never would've guessed this result. I thought just the difference between Drill Peck being 1 turn and Fly being 2 turns would be a huge difference in time.

[@timothyhansen6581]

Why is this even a discussion? Look. Spearow evolves into Fearow at Level 20. Pidgey evolves into Pidgeotto at Level 18, but doesn't turn into Pidgeot until Level 36 - making it, essentially, a Flying-type Starter Pokemon, like the other Route 1/1st Route birds in every generation. By the time Pidgeot comes into existence, Fearow has already been pumping up its stats & its moveset for 16 entire levels. Fearow would, thus, wipe the floor with Pidgeot from the get-go. Not that either had all that great a moveset in Yellow, mind you. But, speaking of that Fearow also has a better level-only moveset then Pidgeot - at least as of Gen 8 - as well, with things like Drill Run acting as an anti-Rock & anti-Electric counter-move.

[@shanoc5902]

Gotta say, I really appreciate how you do multiple runs. While I wouldn't mind you cutting back to 2 runs per pokemon or even 1 run per pokemon if you really felt you needed to, I feel that these multiple runs help massively in getting a better idea as to what's going on. While there's a lot to be said about the intuitive nature of a pokemon, if you had stopped after the first run I would have felt like the grinding before the league would have played a significant aspect in biasing the results, and here it was that I was missing what the bigger overall problem was! It's really nice to see both the 'blind' playthrough as well as the 'perfect' playthrough. Also in defense of using levels as a metric, while I definitely agree with your point that time is more valuable than level I think there's something to be said about a pokemon that wins at say level 50 vs a pokemon that wins at say level 100, at a higher level the pokemon has less room to get 'better', so if someone was looking to build a team and was willing to put in the effort having an idea as to which pokemon would win when they're both at level 100 has some value I feel, if only as a tie-breaker.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah, multiple playthroughs helps to provide more context. Sometimes I get logically trapped in what I think is the best strategy, but I have a way to hopefully weed that bias out. I’m trying to see what the best time I can get with each Pokémon so this is required to do that. From a video perspective I do think the extra playthroughs cause a bit of bloat. I’m working on a production solution to fix that for the next versus video! Level range is certainly a good metric. 70 vs 60 is a difference. But 63 vs 62 is not really something I want to judge a Pokémon based on.

[@shanoc5902]

Oh yeah, I hadn't even thought about how small a difference of 63 vs 62 could be. Maybe for a level metric you could say round it and use that for comparison, like while their actual level may be 61 you put a (60) in brackets on the score sheet and if the other pokemon is a 62 since that also rounds to (60) then it results in a tie on the level metric? It doesn't have to be straight rounding, but if you aren't happy with a straight level comparison you could try changing the metric slightly to fit what you want. While it may take a bit extra explanation, having a 62 (~60) or something for the score page I think would give you some room to represent a bit more nuance if you want it. Just a thought, really enjoy the videos! Also for what it's worth, I don't mind the extra bloat as I enjoy longer videos and I feel that you make effective use of your video time so it never feels to me as if things are 'dragging on'.

[@joshuaenns-wind9851]

This was my first of your videos. 2 years later and I’m still in love with your content. I’ve loved seeing your growth, both as a content creator and a player. I think I’m gonna be watching you for a long time, and I’m thrilled about it!

[@OkMakuTree]

Kenya the Spearow/Fearow will always be a favorite of mine :) Glad it did well in this challenge!

[@kalkkar]

I just love how venomoths typing changes almost every video

[@Kreachure]

bruh, I just watched a 1 hour analysis of spearow and pidgey

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

You did haha

[@jasonblack4208]

Yes

[@danwgelinas]

Hey, I watched back the early fights and you were right about what I saw; the stats were displaying base stats in most battles and then the current stats seem to drop because base stats assume the pokemon is at level 50. So there was no mistake, my bad. I've been watching a lot of your content lately and I've been really impressed by all the ways you've improved your videos and your process. Appreciate you for bringing this great quality to your audience. Every time you end up extending the video to do another run I get really excited :)

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks for checking Dan! I appreciate the eye for details :)

[@ZombieGFL]

Scott, the production quality is amazing! I love the screen setup you have going on, great video

[@patrickdoherty5094]

My initial thought was that fearow's drill peck would give it a much bigger advantage but I was surprised at how close it was in the end, would be curious to see how doduo/dodrio would compare to both these birds, look forward to next video.

[@karotconcarne3325]

Bless your obsession, Scott. You are honestly impressive with the ammount of work you put into every single video you make, it brings tears to my eyes to see what a font of inspiration you've become over time with your channel :)

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks Karol ConCarne, I’m glad that my work is making an impression!

[@caseyleenb]

this is the first video ive seen from you, and the commitment to being as thorough as possible with something so trivial is something that i can’t begin to describe how much i respect. you deserve my subscription & so many more.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks Casey, I’m glad the thoroughness made an impression!

[@Skipatronic]

Badge Boost isn't a glitch, it's a feature

[@harrymanocha4533]

Trying to decide if this is you making a meme or genuinely just not aware about the unintended reapplication of the intended badge boosts. I'm neither confident nor mean enough to go straight to the sarcastic response

[@Skipatronic]

@@harrymanocha4533 a little bit of both

[@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis]

Congratulations on the sponsorship! Hope the patrons are enjoying the live reactions. You reminded me how I used to mix Pidgeot and Pidgeotto too: you do that during your first Lance fight. Cheers!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks!

[@remydirt3158]

Its so nice seeing Scott get sponsored he definitely deserve it for all his efforts

[@LukeKhalidR]

Cant believe how this channel has grown I remember when you had less than 1k subs, great vid as always ♥

[@Goofy8907]

22:45 psychic flying???

[@arr0w769]

i wonder how much this changes in gen 3 compared to gen 1, i feel like pidgeot may pull ahead tbh

[@XWingMitch0]

While this is a great video and comparison I would have been more curious about the difference between a fearow & dodrio. My guess is dodrio would take it by a few minutes because it is a tad bit faster and has slightly more attack but the early game with less move options and the 11 level difference in evolution would probably make it a super close fight especially since it's also part of the medium fast level grouping! Regardless thanks for your time and effort, this series has been amazing to watch!

[@bvd_vlvd]

Dodrio has straight up better stats over the board, but the fact that it evolves ELEVEN levels later might actually balance things out!

[@DrDrao]

@@bvd_vlvd Douduo has an attack stat only 5 behind fearow. It's also far better than spearow for 15 levels. In fact, the gap between douduo and spearow is probably bigger than the gap between douduo and fearow. Not to mention, it gets body slam.

[@shaynecarter-murray3127]

Always loved Spearow. Skipping the junky middle Evo stage feels good, when the Evo happens before level 30 anyway. 2 stagers who don't leave baby form until nearly 40 (or beyond) or who require an item to evolve and miss out on their high level movement if you evolve them early, those still chafe me

[@tvalenca]

32:06 there are some species of birds (that can fly of course) that do dig holes to lay eggs, and stay there until their babies grow independent.

[@Zelkiiro]

I'm just going to take this opportunity to say that it's kinda impressive how much your videos have improved. About 9 months ago, I was put off from your channel because, well, it felt like amateur hour in a world full of pros. But I stuck around because classic Pokemon content. Now there's a lot of polish in the production, and many of the gripes I had back then have been smoothed away. Not enough channels put in the effort to really improve themselves. Good jorb!

[@hardspumoni6940]

God, get over yourself.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m glad the hard work is paying off. Funnily enough, the true improvements are just starting. I can’t wait to show off what’s next!

[@loomisam9913]

Happy to see you're getting back into the versus videos, the hard work really pays off on these!

[@RyuichiShinomori]

Changing Gust to Flying in Gen 2 really changed the dynamics for Pidgey. Gen 1 Peck was actually a huge advantage for Spearow on a balanced game team, but obviously its not that big of a deal if its a iron man run for both of them.

[@KayLoo202]

I will LITERALLY never get sick of the Venomoth typing jokes

[@EmmyDragom57]

Pidgeot has cooler hair and a higher special stat, making it objectively the better birb.

[@accentillia8116]

Fearow hits hard and has an actual stab move in drill peck unlike Pidgeot who hits as hard as a paper stickman

[@sumthinorother9615]

Pidgeot has a mullet

[@manher4335]

Higher special stat you say? LOL and what can it do with that? Can it "Ice beam" a rock type? Can it "earthquake" an electric type? It learns nothing special/beneficial from it's trivial slightly higher special attack stat. FLY into things and hope for the best

[@DonYagamoth]

I think this format with the following runs being more condensed is really awesome :) Well played, and thank you for the entertainment \o/

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Format will change next time! I have big plans. I'm slowly figuring out the best way to present this info!

[@Medabee8]

11:58 - You could have used Mirror Move after Raichu Mega Punch'd you. Same accuracy as Fury Attack. 😁

[@Medabee8]

Dang. I foresaw the future lol

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

You did

[@ashclaw2306]

The almighty Fearow vs the feathery poster-mascot!

[@anotherwaterroute]

After finding your channel and binge-watching your videos over the last few weeks I went out, bought a computer, learned how to use an emulator, and have been experiencing my childhood again with Pokemon randomizers. Showing up early just to voice support for Lord Pidgeot, can't wait to see this one live 👍

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks for sharing. Knowing that I inspired you to get a computer and start playing on emulators really motivates me. What games have you been playing?

[@anotherwaterroute]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I have mad love for Gen 3 honestly. It's the one I grew up on so it's just like playing through memories of car rides from years ago lmao Besides Pokemon, I've been trying to complete final fantasy 1-6 also but that's a long term goal haha

[@hiei248]

I think the first run better determines how 'easy ' a poke is to use, while the subsequent runs actually are a better showing of how good each one actually can be

[@androidboyd]

I'm guessing Pidgeot wins. Fearow has a stronger late game move, true, and a better "solo pokemon playthrough" stat line, but Pidgeot will level faster and should be able to beat Brock sooner, depending on how risky Scott takes things with Sand Attack.

[@valor1omega]

In the end though Scott's ruling is FEARow is the winner. Pidgeot won due to raw luck and that's it. I mentioned that in the live chat with Scott and he agreed. That and he said he had made a few mistakes during Fearow's first run as well. I am sure the entire conversation is in the chat replay.

[@androidboyd]

@@valor1omega Maybe I wasn't clear. That was a prediction before watching the video. The results were pretty clear.

[@gavinriordan9258]

'solo pokemon playthrough statline' aka speed and attack

[@danthem9210]

We love and appreciate you Scott. So happy to see a sponsor as well! You deserve it

[@bvd_vlvd]

Even though I was rooting for Fearow and figured it would win after it defeated Brock with so few problems, I don't want to give either bird a win at the end of the video. They were both so balanced and close throughout the playthroughs and they dominated in different portions of the game while having the exact same burdens that I wish to give my buddy Pidgey a pat on the back and call it a tie. After all, you said that Pidgey felt more intuitive.

[@SSK2600]

At 21:14 he calls Venomoth a flying/steel-type Pokemon. This is false, as it is actually a fairy/dark-type Pokemon. This is unfortunately a common misconception, which can be harmful to new players, so please beware. Otherwise great content

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks for correcting me Sebastian and looking out for the new players. I really need to proof read my Koga battles better.

[@jeroti187]

Spamming sand attack is like spamming double team. You’re betting on the luck of a lot of misses to survive.

[@Stink252]

I love your live commentary! It's honestly the best parts of these videos imo.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

That’s helpful to here. I’ll have to put more in!

[@valor1omega]

Oh man I am so looking forward to seeing this! Seeing an awesome FEARow going up against the bland pidgeot! I remember always waiting to evolve Spearow to fearow until lvl 29 to get early access to drill peck. Out Side of their respect natural move set they both learn the same tms/hm. So this should be an interesting match up.

[@ClintonKE]

lame opinion Pidgeot is hardly bland. Respect the hair.

[@valor1omega]

@@ClintonKE The feathers on its head are the dumbest part of the bland and lame bird, lol. Fearow's design makes it look like a deadly hunter.

[@ClintonKE]

@@valor1omega Pidgeot is a mix with it based off Osprey and other various birds of prey like eagles and then as cockato for its crest. So I don't know how you think Pidgeot isn't a deadly hunter or lame in design when they are both a reference to several various birds. Though the birds fearow is referencing aren't really hunters but rather waddling birds. A large overall mix actually. Fearow's birds they are referencing are Heron or Ibis mainly due to that long neck. Though it doesn't have the long legs. And lol at calling Pidgeot's crest dumb when talking about Fearow. Fearow's comb is like that of a chicken. In general a hens because it doesn't have those flaps roosters got.

[@valor1omega]

@@ClintonKE The feathers on Its head screams "look at me I cool, look I stand out" not very impressive. It's the moehawk(sp) of the bird kingdom, lol. Besides look a FEARow it's design screams bada**! Without even trying. I see Pidgeot and I think of how tasty it would be for dinner, lol Nothing about it screams "fear ME!" Heck if I recall correctly catipree knocked out a pidgy while Pikachu needed a rainstorm to take out a single sparrow. In G1 and g3 Pidgey was and is still a joke while Sparrow is still a bada**.

[@ClintonKE]

@@valor1omega Hair insulting won't go very far still when you were calling Fearow's chicken due awesome for whatever reason. As for compared to the 'so called try hard' of really just a ok punk rock hair style on Pidgeot. I really don't see what your issue is with punk rock man? You gonna tell me something like Dixie Kong's hair is bad as well? And of course Pidgeot doesn't scream fear me. Its not designed that way. Its designed to be mimicking birds that have been useful for humans. Go into a top tier bird of prey but comes from humble beginnings. Something that can be good for humans cause people train birds like that to be useful. Homing Pigeons are awesome and the idea it can grow into also hunting for people is even better is all I'm saying. Don't know why you want just scary but I guess Fearow being more scary I'm fine with giving it. You ever deal with a swan they aren't to be messed with I guess lol but still. Why would I want something that won't earn its keep? Still, why Fearow for all that when you got Dodrio? I mean it is stronger than Fearow and learns better stuff. And I'm trying to figure out why you bring up the anime or games when Pidgeot wins on both of them in the end?

[@dakotashroom5401]

Really awesome comparison! You should do a comparison of the 4 early flying type Pokémon of Johto. There are more early game flying type Pokémon in Johto than in Kanto. There's Pidgey, Spearow, Hoothoot, and Zubat. Hoothoot evolves at level 20 just like Spearow. Zubat and Golbat learn wing attack. Also, gust is a flying type move in Johto. Hoothoot and Zubat are caught at night. Pidgey and Spearow are caught during the day. I know Ledyba and Hoppip are also low level flying type Pokémon found around level 4 on the route north of Cherrygrove City. But, they don't have good moves. In the Johto games when the player goes to Kanto they can catch a level 4 Doduo left of Viridian City. You could compare the winner of this video with Doduo and Dodrio in Yellow.

[@MoonQueenWolf]

Love these versus videos (and your videos in general, too, these are just among my favorites due to adding another layer to the speedrun/competitive aspect), my bet's on Fearow. Drill Peck, as well as Peck being better than Gust due to Gust being normal type lead me to believe that Fearow won't have any real trouble flying through the game that Pidgeot wouldn't already have.

[@valor1omega]

I agree and something else to the other is the fact that it's name is FEARow! Hehe, should be a fun video despite who wins.

[@siegeheavenly3601]

The settup I use on Pidgeot is Quick Attack, Steel Wing, Arial Ace, and Return with maximum EV's in Attack and Speed with silk scarf. It's a pretty good setup given Pidgeot's base stats.

[@paulnewton2284]

Which gen? I'm guessing 3? It's had access to Brave Bird as an egg move since Gen 4, which I would probably prefer for the sheer damage output. Heck, even in Gen 3 you could run HP Flying, or if you would rather, HP Fighting or Ground to better hit Steels as well as Rocks.

[@siegeheavenly3601]

@@paulnewton2284 Yes in Fire Red

[@rabbyd542]

Before watching, I'm putting my money on Fearow. I always pick it over Pidgeot.

[@BZgA]

34:29 This is funny, because in German Pidgeots name is actually 'Tauboss'.

[@chopperbyrne]

Not watched yet, but Fearow is faster, and has higher attack, along with learning Drill Peck, and starting with Peck. Pretty sure they have the same growth rate too, so Fearow should easily take this.

[@youareafool6884]

But the extra evolution for pidgey is just more satisfying🤣 plus imo pidgeot looks cooler/more badass than fearow

[@yesec9]

Before even starting the video. My opinion is that the best defense is a good offense . Fearow gets Drill Peck, and is faster and has higher attack, but not only that, having a basic Flying move much earlier, Peck, giving super-effective STAB against all of the bugs, putting Fearow ahead at the start. I have a feeling Pidgeot's better bulk won't make up for that time loss. My vote goes to Fearow, although it could be a slim margin.

[@parkermacinnis3977]

As a kid I used Pidgeot a lot. No idea why. I only started to appreciate Fearow more recently. I prefer Dodrio over both, however. Worth the wait.

[@TheNadroj10]

Dodrio is my favorite of the 3. I use fearow until i get doduo.

[@212mochaman]

Dodrio > fearow >>>>>>> pidgeot. That was the general consensus regardless of when pidgeot was available

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I can’t wait to use Dodrio, I never have before. It seems so strong for this game.

[@PhilipMurphy8Extra]

So great to see the Kanto early game flying types take on a battle with each other.

[@joel2628]

No, Scott... just no. I can't freaking watch this one. I just can't. I love Pidgeot more than Fearow, and I've had to face some harsh truths over the years. I just can't support this versus. Ah, you know I'm still going to watch it, though. Because I love your content....

[@ClintonKE]

Well Fearow wins but it isn't a significant victory. It was very close. Not like some of the other vs video here

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m sorry for you pain, but glad you watched the video

[@ClintonKE]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon You do great work man

[@yuumijungle548]

the pidgeot artwork next to the actual ingame backsprite looks so fking funny dude xD

[@andream9669]

Fearow no doubt. Better moves, faster, better attack. There is no real competition here.

[@randaljr.8581]

fearow vs dodrio mighve been more competitive

[@kanaxaufxanax490]

I don't particularly agree. I think that Dodrio would also win easily. Both have access to drill peck, but Dodrio has 20 more base attack and the same crit chance.

[@randaljr.8581]

after watching, i am honestly surprised at the video’s results.

[@manher4335]

Just for clarity. Dodrio/Arcanine attack stats are about the same. Both have pile-driving attack power.

[@aliasink7984]

Such an awesome video. It really is surprising how well SPARROW did, considering it only evolves once.

[@bvd_vlvd]

Almost forgot, please, DO NOT DO a playthrough where you reset every time your stats get lowered. I don't know about yellow, but Blue's Rhydon in RB has Tail whip *and* leer, it will basically make every fight against it a 50-50 to reset. That would be a pain to make, it might even break 100 resets if you're unlucky or the pokemon you're using isn't very offensive

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Might be able to out speed Pokémon like that and one shot them first though!

[@bvd_vlvd]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Yeah, if you do this, you gotta use something very powerful lmao

[@remydirt3158]

Scotts pain is our gain I suppose just don't torture yourself

[@VulturineValkyrie]

First video I've watched of yours I grew up with gen 4 games but always loved fearow it's design is all the awkward parts of birds of prey, and I've always preferred it to the Pidgey line you did allot of work and your work and dedication to the game and this experiment is obvious and you put allot of love and work into this

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks for the kind words Quetzal coatl. I wish Fearow’s 3D model was a bit more impressive, because I personally really like it too! Hope to see you in the comments of other videos!

[@emblemwarrior11]

I am aware that Sky Attack is technically a "bad" move, but do think it could have made Pidgeot's time better. It has great damage.

[@wiseguise5960]

woah woah woah.... is this the first video you got a sponsor?!?! CONGRATS SCOTT!!! almost an hour long, goood gooooooood! I would expect nothing less from the OG birbs.

[@DarthNash6]

7:15 “…is Fury Attack.” *highlights Mirror Move* (I’m just commenting this for the sake of commenting to help the Algorithm, I think you’re amazing, man)

[@plop2186]

I find my strat too after all those challenges : watching 1.75x first run, then 1.25x for last attempts, where you talk a lor about adaptation. I do not have time for those long vidéos, but I love them and I am happy I found a strat not to miss any of them. Thanks for your great content :)

[@kaiweinbauer1316]

@21:14 Is Venemoth really flying steel ? i thougth ever its flying Poision

[@fortherepublic6475]

Scott is doing so many runs, that at this point a ´best possible splits´ category would actually make sense.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Scott is basically a person who wants to big-data a Pokémon game experience (which Pokémon is easier to use? What count as roadblocks? What are move all Pokémon can learn? Assuming a person keeps at it how long will it take for a person to complete a Pokémon game? What are generic consistent strats that indicate a Pokémon sucks if alone on a playthrough?) given how much effort is placed on collecting info on the ease of using a Pokémon.

[@EmeraldKnight8]

21:14 Flying/steel type? Venonat is bug/poison type. Steel type wasn't introduced until gen 2 in gold/silver.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Sorry, it’s a Fairy/Fire type. Thanks for correcting me.

[@catbooger4948]

21:23 Big green square

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I know. This makes me very sad.

[@UnknownVir]

Sounded like you said "Spearow clucks in" and that's still a funny pun to me.

[@Blumpkinator]

Honestly love that the sand attack strat Vs the self-destructing hiker is becoming a tried and tested method haha great video as always!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I wish I could use it against him more!

[@remydirt3158]

Sand attack is such an op move lol and the bane of Scotts existence in yellow runs

[@aidanhart9871]

Same here ... my brothers and I each got a pokemon tape for Xmas..... next year we each got a gameboy and our intro was Silver/gold version ..... however this was before inbuilt lights....so we had to work hard for pocket money to afford the light attachment. Miss the old days .....

[@ghoum56]

Wow, at this point it's a science experiment lol. Amazing work! Very happy to see your channel doing well!

[@BrodieBr0]

LOL Scott...OMG Fearow's battle with Brock with only 1 HP was the most intense one I've ever seen in a solo run. I had to watch that twice before finishing the rest of the video.

[@daveshn]

Nice. I've been waiting for this one for a while. It's a classic matchup that needed to happen. I was surprised with how close this was. Even more surprised with the realization that if Pidgeot got a better stab flying move, even just if wing attack was base 60 power, it probably would have won.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

60 bp wing attack would be so good. It’s got decent PP

[@LocalChoker]

This may be your best video to date. Really great comparison video.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks so much Bert

[@LocalChoker]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon no thank you!

[@lurkingone7079]

The question for the first run is. Did you do spearows attempts before Pidgeys? Because if they are that similar maybe you saw the problems with Spearow and then doing Pidgey afterwards you may not have done similar mistakes or knew what places would be a struggle.

[@JamesLee-io1wy]

Appreciate your hard work in determining the speed. Will like to see more of such content

[@Pikachamp1]

Really impressive how your SAND-ATTACKs against Starmie allowed you to evade the damage from all these HARDENs, I agree xD

[@justinwhite2725]

There’s an episode of the original Pokémon where Jessie gets a trained Charizard and she’s commanding it to use all these strange movies (with James looking though the manual going ‘there’s no way that Pokémon uses that move!) At one point the charisard uses fly followed by dig, and it just goes straight through the ground like its swimming through water. I expect fearow using dig is basically the same.

[@NativeGolfer10]

I was so surprised with this outcome. I always used Pidgeot exclusively because how bad the Spearow line was in gen 1. Maybe I just prefer bulkier mons, but I definitely thought Pidgeot would take the W

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Drill peck is a good move!

[@idkputsomerandomname9657]

I'm at 0:01 so I'll make a few guesses Fearow should hit a lot harder than Pidgeot because of higher attack and drill peck. I also think it learns mirror move sooner. Also, Scott's gonna use agility to trigger badge boost.

[@benkesler487]

I actually finished my first Yellow playthrough with Fearow (named BigBird) as my ace, so this made me very happy. I absolutely love Fearow's sprite from behind

[@iTparent]

Love the videos! Started binging the other day along with some Jrose11. Keep up the awesome work! Can’t wait to watch more comparison runs, such a great idea comparing the two in 1 video.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Glad you’re enjoying!

[@skeetermania3202]

For Pidgeotto, might it be more advantageous to skip Surge until after Rock Tunnel? After all, it can beat the Hiker inside with Sand Attack, then after that, Swift and Double-Edge become available. The extra levels may also be enough to outrun Raichu and 2HKO it with either of those moves, reducing the chances of getting screwed over by a 25% Thunderbolt pick. If X Speed is used on the first turn, then switch to Quick Attack. For this reason, if Swift isn’t enough to put Raichu in Quick Attack range, Double-Edge might be better despite the recoil potentially putting you in T-bolt KO range.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Probably right regarding skipping Surge.

[@nicholasjones8643]

I love how when he pointed out fury attack it put a red box on mirror move instead lol

[@PortableFrog]

Yes sir! You do not disappoint with these versus videos.

[@OcelotOmega]

So, little bit of a story here, this one is actually a little personal for me. My first Pokemon game was Yellow, and was a birthday present along with a yellow GameBoy Color, and while I was playing it, I found the rare Pidgeotto in Viridian Forest, and immediately fell in love with the bird. I still remember the heartbreak when my Crystal got stolen, with my Pidgeot that I transferred over and was around level 93, got stolen along with the rest of my GameBoy games, from my room while I was at school. Pidgeot, while not my absolute favorite, is still very high on the list for me, and I'm definitely rooting for it in this!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

That Pidgeotto in Viridian first really does look impressive when the only context you have is the early game. It’s sad that it was stolen :(

[@michaelrud4351]

"I sprayed too much sand and took too much damage" Said no AI ever

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

So true.

[@frigginresulrum]

Gust not being a flying attack is a good ole Gen1 feature

[@akira3871]

1:35 yes, I believe it matters considerably. Speed isn't the only thing that matters imo. Ease of completion is also nice to know. If you can complete the game at a lower level then you can almost certainly take a different path/strategy that'll make it faster.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

It’s more of a metric for planning rather than one to judge the final results with.

[@ThibsyCube]

I didn’t expect Pidgeot would do this well. I really thought that fearow would be an obvious winner. Thanks for your determination and hard work! Great video as usual!

[@CurlyCat3]

it would be so cool to see all of the beginner bird pokémon compared!

[@snakesan520]

Fun fact in Surges gym after you find the first switch there's like a fifty percent chance the second one is in the top left trash can

[@marcosnavarro880]

I cackle everytime he says "clocks in" because I hear it as "clucks in" XD