Fiance Left Me At The Altar After His Ex Gave Him Some News r/Relationship

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@HoodieHorizon
@HoodieHorizon 8 ай бұрын
are those commenters fucking insane??? "Yes you vulnerable, single woman, with 0 travel experience just go and travel completely alone with no one else with you and just figure it out on your own!" Like do they WANT OP to get robbed or murdered??
@YellaBellaReno
@YellaBellaReno 8 ай бұрын
I also kept thinking, “Alone? For your first time? It reeeeeaaaaaaallllly depends on where you are traveling.”
@audreym3908
@audreym3908 8 ай бұрын
I was thinking of that too
@errantwinds-up8uu
@errantwinds-up8uu 8 ай бұрын
Yeah if she's going to an all inclusive resort or something, okay. Pretty much anything else, NO WAY for your first ever time traveling!
@Talonfir
@Talonfir 8 ай бұрын
Right? Did Human Trafficking write these comments?
@KyrieChii
@KyrieChii 8 ай бұрын
EXACTLY! I was like 'Uh, no. Is she going to another country? (Not unusual for honeymoons), does she speak the language? Have they done their research on the police wherever they're going? Can they even be relied upon to help you, as in some countries they're super corrupt & owned by organized crime. Going alone is a terrible idea in general, but it'd also make me more depressed.
@Intrepid_Explorer
@Intrepid_Explorer 8 ай бұрын
The amount of comments on Story 1 villifying Ethan and encouraging OP, a self-admitted emotionally vulnerable single woman with absolutely no travel experience, to travel possibly out of the country, alone, is concerning. I guess that's reddit for you.
@howdelydoo
@howdelydoo 8 ай бұрын
They will always say the opposite so they feel like they did something
@pippo17173
@pippo17173 8 ай бұрын
I don't get the vilifying here. Like ya its dumb for op to do that but damn guys, nothing in the story indicates the brother wanting her calm the heck down.
@HoodieHorizon
@HoodieHorizon 8 ай бұрын
probably because it's most likely men who commented on the post so just don't understand how utterly dangerous of an idea that is
@carolinenagel7085
@carolinenagel7085 8 ай бұрын
I'm single. I hate to go on holiday on my own. I've done it once, never again.
@MatildeVallespinCasas
@MatildeVallespinCasas 8 ай бұрын
They have travelled so much on their own and are so cynical about human relationships that they don't see the problem of travelling alone for the first time
@abubarrie88
@abubarrie88 8 ай бұрын
I’m so over these redditors from OP1. She doesn’t or didn’t owe it to her ex fiancé to hear him out on a damn thing. He left her at altar and humiliated her. His reasoning was bs. He made a choice to do what he did..
@asherikamichaela8425
@asherikamichaela8425 8 ай бұрын
No, she didn't owe it to him or anything like that. But it maybe helped with getting her closure. Personally, I'd want to know why my ex ghosted me, on the day of our supposed wedding no less. To each their own, though. Such knowledge doesn't help everyone.
@gostavoadolfos2023
@gostavoadolfos2023 8 ай бұрын
closures are overrated and are not for everyone. closures are usually for the benefit of the ones who wronged the other party.
@audreym3908
@audreym3908 8 ай бұрын
​@@gostavoadolfos2023I'd want answers
@asherikamichaela8425
@asherikamichaela8425 8 ай бұрын
@gostavoadolfos2023 I did say that it's not for everyone. I'm largely speaking from my own experience. My own ex fiance dumped me without explanation as well some several years ago, through email no less. Not the same as being left at the alter, I know, but it still hurt like hell and I wanted to know what the reason was for my own peace of mind.
@SuperYoshi29
@SuperYoshi29 8 ай бұрын
@@asherikamichaela8425now I gotta know, did he ever tell you why??? I guess I’m one of those people that need to know😅
@taetannim3581
@taetannim3581 8 ай бұрын
I'll never understand AHs who cannot seem to decide not to get married until literally time to say their vows! Wtf, c'mon people!
@BruinPhD2009
@BruinPhD2009 8 ай бұрын
Right? It seems like these people are trying to create the max amount of chaos and hurt.
@Kalossupremacy3356
@Kalossupremacy3356 8 ай бұрын
Mannn, I was hoping for something wholesome like he got into a fight with a black bear that stalled him out so he missed the wedding. But nah, he a massive ass. Also prolly a cheating one for a good chunk of time.
@kristinicole2055
@kristinicole2055 8 ай бұрын
Really, though. You didn’t think you should have walked away prior to things getting to this point? 🤣
@IrisTheEye01
@IrisTheEye01 8 ай бұрын
​@@kristinicole2055there are exceptions to the rules, right? Like someone who is in an abusive relationship, or who was pressured into marriage by their parents...
@Nathan_Bookwurm
@Nathan_Bookwurm 8 ай бұрын
Because you can't be there for your son and dying ex when being married 🤦 /s
@bgcorporation
@bgcorporation 8 ай бұрын
Jesus, the amount of people telling OP to get shitfaced, and take a trip alone, to a place she's never been to are insane. Do they want her to get kidnapped? Do they want her to make a decision she'll regret?
@floraposteschild4184
@floraposteschild4184 8 ай бұрын
Although those are dangers, especially when drunk, life is not a Taken movie. You can be abused around home, too. Usually by your boyfriend or domestic partner.
@CurliFox
@CurliFox 8 ай бұрын
​@@floraposteschild4184But you are at highr risks when alone in a foreign country. We also dont know how safe/developed the country shes traveling to is.
@trilbynhiss
@trilbynhiss 8 ай бұрын
And the condescending, smarmy way they said it was infuriating.
@clownrat5759
@clownrat5759 8 ай бұрын
@@floraposteschild4184look up the missing person rates regarding tourism overseas
@Nathan_Bookwurm
@Nathan_Bookwurm 8 ай бұрын
So she should just waste thousands of dollars just cuz something might happen? There's a lot of places in the world safer than the US.
@madambutterfly1997
@madambutterfly1997 8 ай бұрын
The ex you never got over had your kid and only brought it to your attention. Now when you’re about to get married, that’s suspicious AF. And then you conveniently get the DNA results the day of your wedding and you just choose to be a no-show. What an absolute waste of good health and functioning organs ex fiancé is.
@FanFicnic
@FanFicnic 8 ай бұрын
Yes there’s no way he wasn’t cheating in some way
@SergioBicerra
@SergioBicerra 8 ай бұрын
As far as I remember, the kid was a few years old and the ex was dying, so that's why she got in contact with op's fiancee.
@amandab8433
@amandab8433 8 ай бұрын
It actually sounded like a bunch of Poopy to me. OP is lucky she didn't have to spend the rest of her life with a selfish dimwit.
@pippo17173
@pippo17173 8 ай бұрын
@@FanFicnic Ya it has to be. I think the ex was hoping this would be under the rug but when his old sweet heart came back, he knew its not gonna happen....at least till he think he could with those miss calls.
@MatildeVallespinCasas
@MatildeVallespinCasas 8 ай бұрын
He wanted to avoid the awkwardness of having to explain the presence of the child (even if there was no infidelity)
@Gerilyn2003
@Gerilyn2003 8 ай бұрын
I call BS on the commenter who says she "needs" to talk to her fiancé. She is completely justified to NEVER speak to him again. Given that he wasn't in a horrific car accident, there is nothing to discuss, and NO reason for him to have gone no show and silent on their wedding day.
@shneakrets
@shneakrets 8 ай бұрын
Yeah 'closure' is overrated
@toothless3835
@toothless3835 8 ай бұрын
@@shneakrets Plus knowing he was calling her and desperate to explain made it so he would suffer whatever guilt and lack of closure she didn't need if she didn't want it.
@SilverstreamPJ28
@SilverstreamPJ28 8 ай бұрын
Story 1: Anyone telling OP to talk to the fiancé is delusional. She needs to ignore him for a GOOD WHILE, break up with him and yes, invite the brother by all means, who gives a f**k
@bessieburnet9816
@bessieburnet9816 8 ай бұрын
Like "drama"? What drama? Even their mother says it's a good idea. The ex can go wee himself, he caused the situation, wgaf about his reaction?
@SilverstreamPJ28
@SilverstreamPJ28 8 ай бұрын
@@bessieburnet9816 I'd be throwing the biggest tantrum in the world, idgaf about drama lol AND if I wanted to sleep with the brother I would. Literally who cares?? He humiliated her to the deepest level
@YellaBellaReno
@YellaBellaReno 8 ай бұрын
@@SilverstreamPJ28 it didn’t sound like she wanted to sleep with him to me. It just sounded like she has her own relationships with his family members. I definitely think it was worth asking herself if going with Ethan would cause drama than it’s worth. But if her conclusion was ”no” or “I honestly don’t care what other people may or may not think” than she should just do what she thinks is best.
@KyrieChii
@KyrieChii 8 ай бұрын
I'm with you up until inviting the brother... I just don't think inviting questions there (even if she'd have every right to move on, you don't go for family) will make her feel any better. She shouldn't go alone, but she needs emotional support unconnected to that family. I also don't like that he was so pushy about her not getting 'shitfaced'. What better day to than the day you were left at the altar by his POS brother?
@CurliFox
@CurliFox 8 ай бұрын
​@@KyrieChiiYep inviting the brother wouldve been a huge mistake on her part. Going from almost married, to sleeping with a family member a day later would have burned most of her bridges.
@michie666
@michie666 8 ай бұрын
Young woman traveling alone..... never even been in an airport alone. Yeah Reddit you're brilliant 🙄
@susankaempfer8427
@susankaempfer8427 8 ай бұрын
Op isn’t an infant! Why do you think she’s too stupid to figure it out? Is this the result of an entire generation of kids grown up with helicopter parents? I went alone on a plane to another country my first time. No regrets. No wonder op is having trouble being independent. The entire effing comment section telling her she’s too incompetent to travel alone. 😡 Makes me really angry on op’s behalf. DON’T TELL HER SHE CAN’T DO IT. GIVE HER THE INFORMATION SHE NEEDS TO DO IT.
@ScooterBond1970
@ScooterBond1970 8 ай бұрын
I'm a 50+ year old dude and even I wouldn't travel alone.
@susankaempfer8427
@susankaempfer8427 8 ай бұрын
@@ScooterBond1970 why not? If you’re just lonely and prefer traveling with a companion, that’s fine! But staying home out of fear is unnecessary. Inform yourself, then travel.
@toothless3835
@toothless3835 8 ай бұрын
@@susankaempfer8427 Because some people don't like taking the risk to travel outside the country by themselves.
@Woodie-xq1ew
@Woodie-xq1ew 8 ай бұрын
That’s what you get from A bunch of teenage girls who have no experience of the wider world
@graceisNERD
@graceisNERD 8 ай бұрын
Story 2: Reminds me of the story when a woman announced she was naming her daughter Karen, and the OP tried to explain the cultural baggage of the name. The woman in that story blew up on the OP and got super upset. Of course after the child was born, she started encountering Karen memes. Then she legally changed the kid’s name. I’m glad the friend in this story took the information in stride and didn’t take it out on OP. Sounds like a good friend!
@roevhaal578
@roevhaal578 8 ай бұрын
So the mother was a Karen? lol
@aaronzegas5270
@aaronzegas5270 8 ай бұрын
I have an ex whom I'm still friendly with named Karen. She also co-owns a small shop and has to occasionally deal with unreasonable customer. When the whole "Karen" thing started, she took it in stride and was, like, "I'm a Karen against Karens." I also once met an African-American woman named Rebecca, but who'd always gone by Becky. I asked her if the whole "Becky with the good hair" thing got annoying and she was, like, "you have no idea."
@nataliereeves3594
@nataliereeves3594 8 ай бұрын
I got lucky with my name, which means the same thing in both English and Russian. My name is the English version of a Russian name, and I was given this name before Google existed so my parents couldn't look it up. They gave me that name to p off my nan who hated the name and tried to bully them into changing it. So I got that name to prove to her that they wouldn't be bullied. Op was a good person who didn't say anything till her friend insisted and is not a hole like my nan.
@kiyokomonty6791
@kiyokomonty6791 8 ай бұрын
The messed up part was OP was name the AH for that. It did changed much later when the name became more infamous but it was still crazy.
@Sylphella
@Sylphella 8 ай бұрын
I remember that. Oop was attacked by people who doubled down on their shit takes when the name Karen started to carry a more heavy weight to it. Karen had been a thing before that, but it really became more well known due to a lot of them acting out during the pandemic.
@AndyyWithAY
@AndyyWithAY 8 ай бұрын
He didn't find out about the child right before the wedding. He knew and instead of communicating with the woman he planned to spend the rest of his life with, he makes her look like boo the fool bc he pulled runaway groom
@SergioBicerra
@SergioBicerra 8 ай бұрын
Alegedly, she had a terminal disease and contacted op's fiancee when she knew.
@MatildeVallespinCasas
@MatildeVallespinCasas 8 ай бұрын
​@@SergioBicerraweeks before
@pippo17173
@pippo17173 8 ай бұрын
Let's be honest, he is trying to avoid the can of worms being his affair.
@kateajurors8640
@kateajurors8640 8 ай бұрын
​@pippo17173 THIS There is no way in hell he didn't know about a child.That's over 3 years old since his current relationship.He's been in for 3 years and they were about to get married. Even if she had a terminal illness and is going to die, it doesn't matter.You're telling me he was a dead beat, dad for 3 years and all the sudden decides.He's gonna be a single dad because she's going to die? Even if that is the case I bet he only holds up for a couple of months after she's gone😂😂 Anyway, he a 100% knew about this.He knew about the kid he knew About his ex's illness Anne still decided to ditch his wife on the wedding day if I I were her.I would have sued him for the cost of everything even if I didn't pay any of it because All the cost Was to be for a sentimental lifetime moment and instead it was Utterly publicly humiliating and definitely caused trust Issues , if not trauma , I mean , who of us , could be in a relationship for that long and severely loves Someone and then be left at the altar without some Type of lasting issue? If you can that maybe you want ready to actually be married.
@nataliereeves3594
@nataliereeves3594 Ай бұрын
He better pay for the full cost of the wedding since he ruined it.
@cryptiecreep
@cryptiecreep 8 ай бұрын
The amount of people suggesting a young woman travel alone is Concerning to me
@dannyharrell4818
@dannyharrell4818 8 ай бұрын
Especially one that by her own admittance is inexperienced in travelling and won't know how not make herself look vulnerable. Travelling abroad is never a undertaking you should alone on your first go round, there's just too many things that could go wrong
@gostavoadolfos2023
@gostavoadolfos2023 8 ай бұрын
she is not traveling to cartel's or ISIS territory.
@chryssesandchaos
@chryssesandchaos 8 ай бұрын
And brokenhearted, which means, in a very vulnerable state.
@myrabeth77
@myrabeth77 8 ай бұрын
@@gostavoadolfos2023 You're likely right, but stray bullets in war zones are far from the only dangers to inexperienced travelers.
@thatjeff7550
@thatjeff7550 8 ай бұрын
@@gostavoadolfos2023dude, like I said in another post, there's the case of Natalee Holloway. She should not go alone.
@liabowden8526
@liabowden8526 8 ай бұрын
I'm a little peeved at these redditors encouraging a young broken hearted (aka. Emotionally vulnerable) woman with zero travel experience to go on a 3 week vacation (to where? Is she leaving her country?) By Herself. Do you Want her to get kidnapped? Sure, don't take the BIL, whatever, but ffs, take *someone*.
@Ma5jay5dontxdoxthat
@Ma5jay5dontxdoxthat 8 ай бұрын
I think she said she was going to another country, but, yeah, she shouldn't be going by herself, even a lot of more experienced female travelers, don't travel by themselves
@susankaempfer8427
@susankaempfer8427 8 ай бұрын
I’m more than a little peeved at everyone telling a grown-ass woman she’s old enough to get married (presumably because then a MAN would be in charge of her 🤮) but she’s too naive and stupid to travel by herself. What the heck has happened to you all? Is this the result of a generation of people who grew up with helicopter parents?
@gabrielle4152
@gabrielle4152 8 ай бұрын
Yes, because traveling requires knowledge and skills that a lot of people take for granted. A LOT can go wrong! It also depends on the kind of trip she's planning; staying at a resort with other people from her country is different from visiting a country whose languages she doesn't know.
@ZombieSazza
@ZombieSazza 8 ай бұрын
Exactly! I know we say redditors never go outside and have zero life experience but they really proved that here, because omg how DANGEROUS to suggest a vulnerable single female travel to another country by herself, who’s never gone travelling before. Are they trying to get her trafficked?! Cus that’s how she gets trafficked I wouldn’t even suggest she travel in her own country by herself, she’s vulnerable atm, having someone with her even locally is best because at least she has support and safety, Jesus CHRIST Reddit WTF
@dandotvid
@dandotvid 8 ай бұрын
Ethan wasn't "policing" OP's drinking. He was making sure she didn't get super drunk and do something she regrets. That person's comment kept making it seem like Ethan was trying to control OP. He was not. He was being a supportive friend who was just checking on her.
@aubreymorgan9763
@aubreymorgan9763 8 ай бұрын
I really don't get her last line at the start of the post, "I don't know if its me being shallow or not but now I'm rethinking our entire relationship and whether or not I see a future with him" HE LEFT YOU AT THE ALTER. HE LEFT YOU. THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP ANYMORE.
@susankaempfer8427
@susankaempfer8427 8 ай бұрын
YES! I was looking for this comment. What will he do next time things get hard?
@sagesaria
@sagesaria 8 ай бұрын
I don't understand why everyone says the BIL shouldn't have stopped her from getting shitfaced...drinking doesn't solve problems and getting super drunk while grieving could be ugly in more ways than one. Do you WANT OP to be horrendously sick???
@floraposteschild4184
@floraposteschild4184 8 ай бұрын
Yes, she's going to feel so great the next day, after not only being left at the altar, but also having made a fool of herself. Booze is going to make her self-esteem go sky high.
@susankaempfer8427
@susankaempfer8427 8 ай бұрын
I think it was a question of motivation. They felt the brother was policing her drinking to save his own family embarrassment and not for op’s welfare.
@sagesaria
@sagesaria 8 ай бұрын
@@susankaempfer8427First of all I find it odd that that's the first thing people assume was his intent...but also I feel like even if that was his intent it's still good that she wasn't getting drunk while upset? Alcohol is a depressant; drinking your feelings makes you feel WORSE.
@kawaibakaneko
@kawaibakaneko 8 ай бұрын
​@@sagesariaI agree totaly! Who cares what his intent was, he was really helpful. And getting shitfaced as such a low point in life can start a rather bad habit
@bessieburnet9816
@bessieburnet9816 8 ай бұрын
And there were literal children present.
@catsithx
@catsithx 8 ай бұрын
Story 1 what a loser the ex is. You know he wanted to be back the ex. I hope op does well.
@kaykay8855
@kaykay8855 8 ай бұрын
Plus, the baby is a few weeks/months old according to the ex, it’s possibly that he cheated during their relationship.
@catsithx
@catsithx 8 ай бұрын
@@kaykay8855 that is possible.
@jgw5491
@jgw5491 8 ай бұрын
@@kaykay8855 That has to be the case if indeed the baby is less than three years old. He is scum in so many ways. I feel sorry for his kid having such a father and mother.
@pippo17173
@pippo17173 8 ай бұрын
@@kaykay8855 ya the time line seems really suspicious. Feels like he avoided the biggest can of wormed as op probaly was a bit too naive to notice it.
@kaykay8855
@kaykay8855 8 ай бұрын
@@pippo17173 either she figured it out and is trying to move on, or op ignored some red flags. Either way he’s not her problem anymore.
@gngrblls2thwall
@gngrblls2thwall 8 ай бұрын
those people telling her it's important that she do this trip alone: dude, this girl has never been to an airport before in her life. Sure, put "travel alone" on your bucket list, but FFS it can wait until she's team traveled at least once.
@madambutterfly1997
@madambutterfly1997 8 ай бұрын
His ex-girlfriend had years to come to him about this child why would she choose the week before the wedding specifically? Was it to prevent him from still marrying OP anyway and just taking their kid to have a blended family?
@nataliereeves3594
@nataliereeves3594 8 ай бұрын
Feels like some kind of power play. Or it could be she's alone now and needs money.
@WolfyFancyLads
@WolfyFancyLads 8 ай бұрын
"He wanted to do by his child." Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen be a father? You know, co-parent. You didn't have to nuke your "within 24 hours" marriage. I mean, that alone tells you exactly what he was thinking, OP was right, he still wanted his ex. The child was the perfect excuse for him. Hope OP went wild cos, honestly, that guy clearly didn't ever fully commit to the relationship and probably jumped into the marriage because he thought it would somehow remove those feelings for his ex. If you can jump ship that quickly cos your baby batter ended up hot and fresh out of your ex's kitchen as a bun from the over, you're not doing right by the child, you're chasing the ex cos you were hung up on them. OP is better off without him.
@shammya3425
@shammya3425 8 ай бұрын
The hell is with the reddit comments advising OP to talk to her ex fiance who never showed up, like no she doesn't need to talk to him, ghost him like he did her and move on with her life, he doesn't deserve a conversation! Reddit really is just god... stop picking the AHs side!
@OZARKMOON1960
@OZARKMOON1960 8 ай бұрын
#2 - 'Nostril Sr.' - that is pure gold!
@censored-admin
@censored-admin 7 ай бұрын
I rotfl at "The Chronicles of Nostril"
@mimiwhite1963
@mimiwhite1963 8 ай бұрын
Op should make sure her ex pays for the wedding he didn't attend. Take him to court for cost and emotional distress. What a POS. She had a lucky escape
@thebeebz9511
@thebeebz9511 8 ай бұрын
My mother gave me a middle name that means joy in Arabic but spelled a little different. I moved to a country where the same middle name directly translates to the word danger. So now I strut like james bond.
@brianaschmidt910
@brianaschmidt910 8 ай бұрын
So.... happy spy?
@Azulakayes
@Azulakayes 8 ай бұрын
Wow...if I were you, I would introduce myself to new people, 1st name and surname then say, 'Danger is my middle name'.
@YellaBellaReno
@YellaBellaReno 8 ай бұрын
I actually had a friend whose middle name is Danger. His parents have a great sense of humor.
@ScooterBond1970
@ScooterBond1970 8 ай бұрын
But is it your... middle name? 🤔
@Sunari
@Sunari 8 ай бұрын
Could say you find a certain “joy” in “danger” 😂 love it
@libbert5757
@libbert5757 8 ай бұрын
Story 2: The husband got his nose out of joint about a name.
@H0r53f7y
@H0r53f7y 8 ай бұрын
Guess he's a bit snooty
@Burnsy12
@Burnsy12 8 ай бұрын
Story 2 is fake or embellished. What are the odds a 4 year old would know the word nostril and laugh about it?
@dizzysdoings
@dizzysdoings 8 ай бұрын
Well the name Cameron means crooked nose.
@cuculain78
@cuculain78 8 ай бұрын
​@Burnsy12 Why wouldn't he? His mother is Brazilian and he is learning Portuguese along with English.
@Frostfern94
@Frostfern94 8 ай бұрын
@@Burnsy12A bilingual child would. Names of the faces make sense.
@madambutterfly1997
@madambutterfly1997 8 ай бұрын
Any explanation he has for why he left you at the altar, can easily be thrown out and dismissed
@drawingdame7718
@drawingdame7718 8 ай бұрын
What is with these comments jumping on Ethan? Especially that one commenter complaining about him stopping OP from drinking too much??? Um, if you drink too much you could make yourself sick, it’s especially bad to drink if you’re in a bad headspace? Ethan was just being a good friend and making sure OP was okay and yknow, not inebriated? What’s funny is that if Ethan did the opposite, i.e. feeding OP drinks while she was in an emotionally vulnerable state, commenters would be quick to call him a creep. I don’t get Reddit sometimes.
@SilverstreamPJ28
@SilverstreamPJ28 8 ай бұрын
Story 2: As a Brazilian, this is hilarious lmfao
@Ventura574
@Ventura574 8 ай бұрын
As someone who is Portuguese, I agree. Also, the Latvian name, "Sanita", made me spit out my drink the first time I saw it on shoes and a beer brand.
@SilverstreamPJ28
@SilverstreamPJ28 8 ай бұрын
@@Ventura574 aqui seria sanitário, confesso que não conhecia "sanita" kkkk, tive que pesquisar
@Swnsasy
@Swnsasy 8 ай бұрын
I cannot imagine the pain someone goes through having this done to you.. To have the ability to do this to someone shows the horrific character flaws of the person..
@KitsunePhotography
@KitsunePhotography 8 ай бұрын
Lola is a fairly common name in America, I’m not shy about letting people know is means grandmother in Tagalog 😂
@gerrymichaud3851
@gerrymichaud3851 8 ай бұрын
You NEVER travel alone. In the Navy we use the the buddy system and it works, mostly. It's less likely to have bad things happen.
@ToddFithian
@ToddFithian 8 ай бұрын
Oh please. It’s awesome traveling alone. Scariest place I ever traveled ever was the U.S., and I was born and raised here! 😂
@user-blob
@user-blob 8 ай бұрын
@@ToddFithiancompletely agree! What is going on with all these comments saying she shouldn’t travel alone??? Weird AF.
@justine8387
@justine8387 8 ай бұрын
I travelled alone through many countries and it was wonderful. It is completely different going on shore leave than planning a holiday.
@floraposteschild4184
@floraposteschild4184 8 ай бұрын
​@@user-blobPeople who haven't traveled alone, mostly. That said, given this young woman's lack of experience + her mental state, it's probably best to have a companion for her first big trip.
@robertrockwell8889
@robertrockwell8889 8 ай бұрын
I mean you can travel alone, but if I was going to do it again, I damn sure wouldn't want to look like a tourist. Don't make yourself a target, and be smart. But these same rules apply at home, and we seldom follow them.
@nhope1922
@nhope1922 8 ай бұрын
Oh my god the second story made my heart stop. My name is Narice, yes pronounced Nariz, nose. My dad named me after the chick he wanted to get with before my mom. Fast forward 10 years and my step family is Mexican. They just call me nose 😅😂
@rubymeaddle
@rubymeaddle 8 ай бұрын
Not wanting op to od on alcohol makes the BIL a good person
@bessieburnet9816
@bessieburnet9816 8 ай бұрын
I don't get why people are saying not to invite Ethan. Literally why? It's clear they get along. He was to be her brother in law. Clearly his family aren't condining his behaviour. Why should she sacrifice a good relationship with someone just because of what their family did? Why people gotta bring romantic feeling into this? It can be as friends!
@KyrieChii
@KyrieChii 8 ай бұрын
Because I think right now she needs a support system unconnected to that family. I'm not taking a shot at Ethan here, but it sounds like OP is super vulnerable right now (& notice how her reason for not getting with Ethan is 'because she's definitely not his type', as opposed to... because SHE isn't interested. It just seems like a recipe for disaster.
@dandotvid
@dandotvid 8 ай бұрын
Yeah it actually would be a good idea to have someone along with you when it's the absolute first time you're travelling. It's not like it's a rebound thing. OP and Ethan don't need to become an item, but he's shown he can at least support her. She could even lay down boundaries where he's there if she needs him, but she can spend most of her time alone.
@Frostfern94
@Frostfern94 8 ай бұрын
Agreed
@MatildeVallespinCasas
@MatildeVallespinCasas 8 ай бұрын
Some people in Reddit are always suspicious of friendships of people of the opposite sex and they think that hey, a honeymoon trip, maybe she was planing it all along?. On the other side, he's the brother of the man who stood up at the altar. I mean, sure as hell there could be somebody else to do the job
@LSnicket
@LSnicket 8 ай бұрын
I'm Brazilian and I commend OP for not laughing in the second story. I laughed too hard omg Narina, meu dels! Coitada da criança hahahhaha
@cami1700
@cami1700 8 ай бұрын
Essa menina não ia poder ter amigos br, imagina ela se apresentando e as crianças rindo. O pai é muito sem noção ahuahuauh
@LSnicket
@LSnicket 8 ай бұрын
@@cami1700 e o pai não querendo que ela falasse alguma coisa??!! Migo!! Tu quer que tua filha se chame Narina?!! Nenhuma criança ia conseguir segurar o riso.
@nicolasfrazier170
@nicolasfrazier170 8 ай бұрын
The ex-fiance is scum, but that last comment is delusional. Someone already in emotional distress probably should not be shit faced drunk. I mean I guess it is technically possible this was somehow about their reputation, but it was probably out of concern for her, I mean I would probably try to stop my friend from drinking in that situation
@audreym3908
@audreym3908 8 ай бұрын
Same, until ik my friend is in a safer room, like her hotel room or something and keep her company
@RadioOppy1
@RadioOppy1 8 ай бұрын
The guy telling op to go on her trip alone… NO! That’s how murder happens! Idk. She can independent in so many other ways but I’m worried for her safety if she goes alone.
@user-fg4tn8ot6b
@user-fg4tn8ot6b 8 ай бұрын
It's like they all forgot about *human trafficking.* 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️
@RadioOppy1
@RadioOppy1 8 ай бұрын
@@user-fg4tn8ot6bI didn’t see anyone else mention this and thought I was the only one.
@christianhover59
@christianhover59 Ай бұрын
First airport experience for me was terrifying. 15, alone, and hopping from airport to airport cross country. I had to learn as I went and was forever confused.
@melzied84
@melzied84 8 ай бұрын
The closure was being left at the altar. Go no contact with the ex. OP needs to figure out who they are independently. The comment about being alone and figuring themself out was the best advice.
@bunnyslippers191
@bunnyslippers191 8 ай бұрын
"The Chronicles of Nostril" I am now deceased💀💀💀
@bunnyslippers191
@bunnyslippers191 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, Mark. I needed that laugh rather badly.
@glitchyglitchy3925
@glitchyglitchy3925 8 ай бұрын
OP is still making decisions based on others' opinions, and Internet strangers at that. Also, some comments are really stretching. Maybe her friend didn't want her to get shitfaced on her failed wedding night because he was worried? Since when is drowning your sorrows in alcohol a good thing. And while traveling alone may be awesome, did those commenters just ignore that this would be her first time? Even if nothing dangerous like rape, kidnapping, or murder happens, you can still be the victim of things like scams and petty theft if you're not careful, and a woman who was freshly jilted on her wedding day is probably an easy mark. Hell, even my father got his bank notes stolen right out of his pocket on a family trip and we were all aware it was a thing that could happen. Sure, she should do something for herself, but that doesn't mean she has to do it alone. Everyone heals differently. She should think about what's right for her. Well, as long as that entails dropping the shitsack instead of "reconsidering the relationship" lol what's there to reconsider when he straight up left her at the altar? Really...
@mericawillis2338
@mericawillis2338 8 ай бұрын
Exactly this!
@crazy4cheddar
@crazy4cheddar 8 ай бұрын
The name Lola, given by one of our friends to their dog, in Filipino means grandma. My then boyfriend giggled when he first heard it, they still named their dog Lola and its a fine name. 🤷🏼‍♀️
@YellaBellaReno
@YellaBellaReno 8 ай бұрын
Oh, wow. I didn’t know that. I’ve had a dog named Lola AND a dog named Grandma. lol
@groofromtheup5719
@groofromtheup5719 8 ай бұрын
s2; I googled the crap out of the baby names, looked at initials, looked at shortening, looked to make sure first and middle didn't show up as anything, etc. Basically, I did my absolute best to not honor serial killers with my children. ps. My son's first name means Power of the Wolf, and middle is Firery One. I told him he could call himself Hotdog if he wants. He loved that.
@symbioticpirate
@symbioticpirate 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely love when you pronounce German! You literally have no idea how much you help me through my daily life. I have ADHD and autism and a lot of struggles with chores. But with your narrations I can get through everything so well because I try to get as much done as possible within those 20-30 minutes Thank you!
@nyteshayde1197
@nyteshayde1197 8 ай бұрын
Story 1: Game over, never speak to him again. Story 2: I'm going straight to hell because I'm in hysterics. I'm LMAO. 😆😂🤣
@marienygard1173
@marienygard1173 8 ай бұрын
Story #2: I was born in Thailand many moons ago and Thai was my first language. My parents moved back to the US after their military service in Bangkok was over and we lived in Philadelphia, where my mother went to graduate school. While there, she met many people, including several classmates who would come over to our house to study. One of those individuals was named Mr. Key. Apparently, toddler me thought his name was hysterically funny because in Thai “key” means poop. So, yeah, names translated in other languages can have …. unfortunate translations.
@wonhur885
@wonhur885 8 ай бұрын
Fascinating video, Let's stop taking relationship and family for granted. I have battled depression since my wife left me. I have tried all I can to make her see that I love her with everything I am made of but she has insisted on leaving. This has made me so empty, and I do not know what to do. I can barely function properly at work. I am frustrated and miserable. I really miss her.
@MalcolmM.Stanton-hy4jb
@MalcolmM.Stanton-hy4jb 8 ай бұрын
Your pain resonates with me. Letting go of someone dear to your heart is an immense challenge. I found myself in a comparable situation when my 12-year-long relationship ended, and I struggled to accept it. Despite my efforts to reconcile, I eventually turned to a spiritual counsellor for guidance, which eventually led to a reunion. I'm now filled with joy
@wonhur885
@wonhur885 8 ай бұрын
I'm keen on meeting the counsellor you're talking about. What steps should I take?
@MalcolmM.Stanton-hy4jb
@MalcolmM.Stanton-hy4jb 8 ай бұрын
Online, you'll find shelly renee white, revered for her expertise as a spiritual counsellor. She has the ability to reunite couples and promote holistic well-being
@wonhur885
@wonhur885 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for this information. I have just looked her up on Google. impressive.
@BohemianScandalous
@BohemianScandalous 8 ай бұрын
Story 2: it never ceases to amaze me how people are so willing to shoot the messenger. OP didn’t want to tell but of course a 4 year old is not going to have that same tact. And then of course the friend is not going to be able to unhear “nostril” from the name now. The only one who has done anything wrong is the friend’s husband for getting mad at OP.
@katiemcwrath
@katiemcwrath 8 ай бұрын
People need to get over the ideas of unique names. They might be unique to YOU but there are so many other languages in the world, it's almost impossible to have a truly unique name.
@fiyahquacker2835
@fiyahquacker2835 8 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say get over the idea of a unique name but at the very least either do a helluva lot more research such as in potential insults kids might come up with.
@Azulakayes
@Azulakayes 8 ай бұрын
I am a native Swahili speaker. I love listening to Japanese because I get hilarious kicks from the meanings of their names and phrases in Swahili...this is one of life's joys...
@kerribottriell-baxter7345
@kerribottriell-baxter7345 8 ай бұрын
Becca's husband needs to take a chill pill and grow up. I still remember back when Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes announced the name of their daughter Suri, and the barrage of "it means this" in various languages. Claude/Claudia means lame. Cameron means crooked-nose. My own eldest son's name means Supplanter - which is another word for replaced. People are going to have opinions regardless on what is chosen for the child.
@shaorandra
@shaorandra 8 ай бұрын
Your pronunciation of the word "Tod" is pretty good! (i am a native speaker) Also "the chronicals of nostril" had me giggle so much!
@lifewithlee6298
@lifewithlee6298 8 ай бұрын
The chronic nose 👃 of Nara does have a good ring to it 😅
@Graves933
@Graves933 8 ай бұрын
Booger senior reminded me of some drama I saw on Facebook between some old classmates 😂 A girl broke up with her fiancee and from what I've seen and heard he was abusive but the girl posed something about doing better and someone responded saying they are glad she left the booger bandit. No names, just booger bandit.😂😂 He proceeded to message the person saying he didn't appreciate the name calling and blocked them, to which they responded to their previous comment with a screen shot and said "Do you identify as the booger bandit? " And I just couldn't handle it that was so god damn funny 😂
@kawaibakaneko
@kawaibakaneko 8 ай бұрын
The ex walked right into the trap!
@nineblackgoats
@nineblackgoats 8 ай бұрын
Fun fact, the "Nerine" version sounds exactly like "narine", which also happens to be the French for "nostril".
@kawaibakaneko
@kawaibakaneko 8 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking! :D
@PettyCrustacean
@PettyCrustacean 8 ай бұрын
Story 2: Before the internet and how common english really became, Fanny was a real legit Swedish name. I knew several Fanny growing up in the 90s, but now a days I don't know anyone neither called or naming their child that.
@elfdragon1227
@elfdragon1227 8 ай бұрын
Plenty of Americans used to be named Fanny. Now it's just an old fashioned name that fell out of favor (unless you're familiar with British slang).
@despinasgarden.4100
@despinasgarden.4100 8 ай бұрын
Second story: I already heard this on in another channel and i stand with OP being NTA. Mark is right about Nerina being a real arabic name that means "Pomegranate flower". I don't see the big deal with still naming the kid Nerina, english speakers name their kids Dick and Fanny all the time and those have a worse double meaning than nostrals. Hell, i'm Argentinian and some names here literaly are just spanish words, like Soledad (Solitude) and Dolores (Sorrows). After update story: I'm glad Becca is not angry at OP and agrees that her husband acted badly in calling OP and yelling at her, she sounds really nice. I do wonder what her other daughters names are, since OP mentions that one of her daughters name also means something in another lenguage.
@brendasmith8939
@brendasmith8939 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for your time and effort in making these posts for our entertainment. Much love and respect ❤️.
@tinycrimester
@tinycrimester 8 ай бұрын
always google the name you're planning to give your kid, even if it's an established "real" name.
@colleens1107
@colleens1107 8 ай бұрын
I’m glad her not MIL was on OPs side. Sounds like she would have been an excellent MIL. Boy did her ex fiancé let one hell of a woman go. I hope he kicks himself for this in the future. OP showed so much grace in this awful situation. She had the reception and kept her head held high. I doubt I would have been so stoic
@Hogwarts_dropoutt
@Hogwarts_dropoutt 8 ай бұрын
I find it very interesting that the ex finance waited until after the wedding to tell her he left her because he has a kid. I find it even more interesting that he waited until he knew for certain that he kid was his, it was like he kept his options open until the very last minute! Fûck you Ben!
@ettinakitten5047
@ettinakitten5047 8 ай бұрын
My nanny growing up told me that back home in Zambia, there's a lot of kids named random English words like Spoon because their parents think English names are cool. Later on I saw a skit by John Oliver about the same thing, where he talked about meeting a kid named Brake who was being annoying, and his dad said "stop it, Brake!"
@shneakrets
@shneakrets 8 ай бұрын
A young English girl paid for uni by creating a website for Chinese parents wanting to give their child an English name (for future opportunities) so they could learn the meaning of it etc rather than them ending up called Gandalf or something
@chaudx
@chaudx 8 ай бұрын
Story 1: FFS OP isn't going through the best of times, is insecure about travelling alone, has no prior experience and all Reddit can think is some coach-esque talk about "finding yourself", "Enjoying solitude"...damn what a shitty advice, OP is right in wanting company, specially company with travel experience.
@asmith8692
@asmith8692 8 ай бұрын
I remember a story about someone wanting to name a daughter Rana meaning Princess but someone noted that it means Frog.
@rebajoe
@rebajoe 8 ай бұрын
I'd watch that movie.
@scarletgoldenthorn
@scarletgoldenthorn 8 ай бұрын
Got my wisdom teeth removed today and I feel miserable. I miss food so bad. But your video brightened my day! Thank you so much. ❤
@MMKMoore1
@MMKMoore1 8 ай бұрын
Story 2 - I must admit, the redditor with the quote about Todd gave me a nice giggle, as that's the name of an ex.
@MorgsMaintenance
@MorgsMaintenance 8 ай бұрын
“The chronicles of nostril” please don’t make me laugh so hard I’ll end up going into early labour
@GoldenFireDragons
@GoldenFireDragons 8 ай бұрын
I always have a giggle when I hear people named Kai. I'm still trying to work out whose food they are.
@minb3672
@minb3672 8 ай бұрын
We moved across the ditch... daughter is learning te reo and was not impressed to find out what Tara means 😂
@GoldenFireDragons
@GoldenFireDragons 8 ай бұрын
@@minb3672 OMG I just had to look that up!😳
@Mama_Bear_of_3
@Mama_Bear_of_3 8 ай бұрын
Story 1. NTA. Parents need to really research or analyze the names they give their children. Although pointing out a warning them, my brother and sister inlaw stubbornly used the name they chose. My poor niece was tormented in school. While the names were perfectly fine, the initials were the issue. I will use different names yet still make up the same initials. Catherine Leigh Isabel Thompson. Yes, my nieces initials spelled out a part of a woman's genitals. When my niece turned 18 she dropped the name Isabell.
@cmsxcb
@cmsxcb 8 ай бұрын
Story 1: Love the way Reddit turned the post into travel advice... as if that was OPs biggest problem!!!
@CouncilEstateRach
@CouncilEstateRach 8 ай бұрын
Im in tears.... wonderful friends and family you have.
@stephaniehowells6364
@stephaniehowells6364 8 ай бұрын
The overwhelming urge to now name something Tod Bil... behold... Death Buttock!
@helianabanes4875
@helianabanes4875 8 ай бұрын
So, independence does equal, feeling afraid, but doing it anyway. I hope OP will take some time alone. A simple thing such as, flying for the first time, alone-figuring it all out- can help confidence bloom. She will look back at this in a few years, and thank her ex for standing her up! She got this!
@suus-arido393
@suus-arido393 8 ай бұрын
A friend of mine is named Floor which means flower. You can imagine how many English speakers laugh at that...
@thulanilanga643
@thulanilanga643 8 ай бұрын
19:05 I like how Mark lost his composure and quickly regained it while reading 😂😂😂
@andthatsshannii
@andthatsshannii 8 ай бұрын
My husband and I were thinking about naming our kid “Haruka” when we have one. Beautiful name in Japanese… but his best friend is Finnish and it means “fork” in his language. When he told us, we burst out laughing. I guess we can come up with a different name!
@Peeges_
@Peeges_ 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for hanging out with us ❤
@colleens1107
@colleens1107 8 ай бұрын
Story two: question. Did Becca ever tell her husband that OP tried NOT to tell her what the word meant or did she totally throw OP under the bus? Because holy projection Batman, this isn’t OPs fault. She tried hard to avoid the subject but Becca was like a dog with a bone and backed OP into a corner
@noreenfin
@noreenfin 7 ай бұрын
The last story about the name Narina hit home with me, my name is Narin which means two fires in Persian. My parents moved from USA to Canada when I was 6 months old, all of my life I have been made fun of bc it’s means nostril in french. Now I own my name and stand up to ppl who try and bully/ make fun of me and let them know * no it means two fires in Persian* Narin or Narina are beautiful names.
@kdhebskh
@kdhebskh 8 ай бұрын
There was another similar story in reddit, the fiance abandoned her at altar after his ex reached out to him that they actually have a child and the ex was terminally ill and died 6 months after handed over the child to him.
@AndyyWithAY
@AndyyWithAY 8 ай бұрын
You're considering staying in this relationship?? Fiance? More like ex. Don't invite Ethan! That's just a hot mess waiting to happen
@katec7386
@katec7386 8 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. That is drama OP does not need after everything that has happened
@bessieburnet9816
@bessieburnet9816 8 ай бұрын
There would be no drama inviting Ethan. Literally everyone said it would be ok, his mum included. Screw what the ex says. He can go pee himself. It's his doing
@HinataElyonToph
@HinataElyonToph 8 ай бұрын
A petty part of me wants her to take Ethan. Make things awkward with ex fiancé. He embarrassed her first, especially since it’s obvious he’s known about his kid longer than he is saying, and that baby mama chose an awfully convenient time to “reveal” this
@iamharper6994
@iamharper6994 8 ай бұрын
Ah deary me Mark. There is an update to story 1. Jilted bride moves to UK, exes baby mama had cancer and dies. Someone Correct me if I'm wrong
@kaah2999
@kaah2999 8 ай бұрын
As a Brazilian the 3rd story is hysterical 🤣
@Windxchild
@Windxchild 8 ай бұрын
I am not from an English speaking country, but ended up in an international company and I communicate with almost all of my friends and coworkers in English. Let me tell you, I wish someone had told my parents about the different meanings behind my name (in English) and the fact that it is mostly a boys name (which, I am not)… This has haunted me for the last 36 years. I also work with quite a few Brazilians, even though we are in Europe. In fact, my manager is Brazilian and I am pretty sure she would manage to joke around with the name Narina… There is no telling where little baby nostril will end up… Be careful with unique names, people 😅
@errantwinds-up8uu
@errantwinds-up8uu 8 ай бұрын
The Chronicles of Nostril 🤣 But yeah there's no way OP2 is the AH. Becca asked.
@romonaelrod7870
@romonaelrod7870 8 ай бұрын
Woo hoo early for the waffles. Hiya Mark and Poppy and all of you cheeky Waffle loving so and so's.
@heatherweir8726
@heatherweir8726 8 ай бұрын
I hope ops ex fiancée gets a D.N.A test. Just to make sure it's his kid.
@CalamityM
@CalamityM 8 ай бұрын
I hope he doesn't and ends up raising another man's child lol
@cniknik9863
@cniknik9863 8 ай бұрын
​@@CalamityM me too 😈.
@Reddazes
@Reddazes 8 ай бұрын
Narina is the name of my favorite DND character. 😂 I'm never going to be able to talk about her without remembering this story!! Like I still love it but some little part of my brain is going to be giggling like a middle schooler at "Nostril StormCaller" 😂😂😂
@cpaul9269
@cpaul9269 8 ай бұрын
S1 - Uhhhhhhhhhhhh, this whole thing is f-cking insane. His family stuck around?! Why would you EVER take fiancees brother - any of his family - with you?! Nothing good will come form that. Take one of YOUR brothers or a friend. Or don't go. Why would you EVER even consider not ending the relationship after this?!
@VFKAdventureRabbit
@VFKAdventureRabbit 8 ай бұрын
The Norina name thing reminds me of the development for Emperor's New Groove in its early stages. The original name for Kuzco was "Manco" but they had to decide on something else when they realized it was phonetically too much like a word that was dirty in Japanese. A different scenario since the movie was going to be localized there eventually, but remindingly similar. XD EDIT: The followup comments with more names/translations also reminds me of Neco/Neko. One is 'kill/death' in Latin and the other is 'cat' in Japanese, but the pronunciation is the same. Mom would laugh at Necco wafers with her classmates in Latin class in her youth.
@bricksloth6920
@bricksloth6920 8 ай бұрын
I got stranded in Saint Louis MO airport when I was 14. I got stranded in Union Station in Chicago at the same age. It's a little scary, but there's people that work there who can steer you to wherever you need to be.
@uncle0eric
@uncle0eric 8 ай бұрын
That long comment on Story 1 had it exactly right.
@loganjoh1
@loganjoh1 8 ай бұрын
The fact the ex waited until the wedding to leave is just cruel to OP. Also OP was way too nice to not show how broken hearted she was I get why but she had every right and he owed the ex’s family nothing they can see how their POS son/brother/other family member hurt her and how much of a coward he is.
@cecilpryor8213
@cecilpryor8213 8 ай бұрын
Last story: I read the final update as the woman was not upset at the translation but the name was not unique enough because there was a translation.
@Keita999
@Keita999 8 ай бұрын
I might of misheard but did one of the commenters tell her to go alone? Isnt that like crazy dangerous!? (Story1)
@audreym3908
@audreym3908 8 ай бұрын
Nope you aren't but that commenter is.
@CouncilEstateRach
@CouncilEstateRach 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Mark, im having really bad health issues at the mo and nit much brightness in my life atm....you sir a a bright shiny star.
@Darkfur94
@Darkfur94 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Mark 🤨 I was brushing my teeth when you said the translation for Bill. I laughed so hard I inhaled my teeth paste!!! 😂
@thebigbadwolfe_27
@thebigbadwolfe_27 8 ай бұрын
The story with the name reminds me of when I was in Year 7 (back in the late 70's). One of the girls in my science class was called Veruca, after the girl Veruca Salt in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory apparently her Mum was a fan. Anyway, 13 year old me very nearly choked laughing when she introduced herself and to make matters worse, I then blurted out "Why the hell did your parents name you after a wart?!" Apparently neither she nor her Mum knew that the proper name for warts are varrucas. So the remaining 4 years we spent in High School together I called her Wart, and she called me Arse. Not the worse name I've been called, I can assure you. I should also point out that we were pretty good friends inspite of the weird nick-name choices.
@Sylphella
@Sylphella 8 ай бұрын
What the actual fuck is wrong with reddit? I feel like they manipulated the oop in post one by not only infantilizing her, but shaming her for wanting to go on a trip with someone who knows the area.
@catnoir1333
@catnoir1333 8 ай бұрын
The ex fiance was more than likely cheating especially if the child is really young. If the kid is older than he already knew it was his, or his ex knew and waited until the wedding to tell him.
@bessieburnet9816
@bessieburnet9816 8 ай бұрын
"Ethan shouldn't be policing your drinking" Dude, she was going to get drunk in front of many people including children. And getting drunk is not a good thing to happen. Ethan was a hero stopping her from going too far.
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