Film Theory: The Uncomfortable Truth about the Jedi Order (Star Wars: Jedi are Evil)

[@badgamemaster]

with the word of a Sith Lord: "Don't look so amazed. The Sith were always born and re-born within the ranks of the Jedi." - Darth Krayt

[@shadowpup3016]

badgamemaster balance will always return even if both got wiped out it would just create the cycle all over again

[@FJhei]

badgamemaster because Jedism is a lawless cult whereas siths are the people who broke free of the cult and seeks law and order. Hence the 501st legion motto, Bad guys doing good.

[@Zebrahhh]

@@FJhei couldn’t be farther from the truth. The sith are objectively bad and vice versa. The Jedi of the prequels did have many flaws, but you could not say they were in bad intentions for the whole of the Jedi

[@jrloulanza6534]

​@@ZebrahhhSith is NOT all bad with Darth Vectivus.

[@AccipiterSmith]

​@@jrloulanza6534 Darth Marr as well.

[@kamalrifka6779]

That is LITERALLY the point of the prequels, to show how the Jedi Order lost its way and it lead to their downfall and the rise of the empire

[@icebenda]

Preaching to the choir

[@web2.0typebeat]

Yep, dont know why this theory exists, guess he didn't read into the prequels enough

[@pedrobelle5623]

Give a cookie to this man

[@kastertalkie4093]

WE HAVE A HERO

[@kastertalkie4093]

@@web2.0typebeat why am i thinking that film theory does tragic theories for more views?

[@jackharrington6854]

"Can you imagine a world where parents willingly give up their 3 year olds and sends them away to a compound with adult men?" Sparta.

[@saymyname2417]

The entertainment industry.

[@BambiTynan]

Just saying. Adoption. I was put up at 3 years old and adopted at the same age. Haven’t had contact with birth parents sense. Willing gave up their kids permanently at the age of 3... checkmate

[@oneoranota]

@Dimosthenis Karamparpas One does not simply leaves the wealthiest city of Ancient Greece.

[@alexandern3160]

And adult women

[@mangozzz4487]

Shaking their sticks

[@Lord_Baphomet_]

Kenobi: “Only a Sith deals in absolutes” Also Kenobi: “Join me or die”

[@MrDuckworth0]

From this we can deduce that both the Jedi and Sith are evil they both view each other as evil but never look at themselves and see how they are acting and treating their own kind and their own kind's families.

[@dylancox631]

When did Kenobi ever say or even suggest "Join me or die"?

[@Lord_Baphomet_]

@@dylancox631 he said it with his actions

[@armandomorelos2500]

​@@Lord_Baphomet_well anakin did slaughter a bunch of children. His actions are definitely justified here

[@99Gara99]

​@@dylancox631 it happens off camera

[@BearlyEntertainmentLive]

"Hey Kid wanna become an indentured servant?" "I'm already a slave though." "Yeah but we let you have super powers."

[@tyrant-den884]

its that or leave the kids out in the open where their powers can be sensed so they can be picked up by any other organization who wants to use them. let them bond with their parents and all someone needs to do is abduct the parents to leave the jedi compromised. Same for marriage.

[@tedrpz]

Yay in Anakins situation becoming a Jedi would be beneficial to indentured servitude is better than slavery and you get magic powers

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

@@tyrant-den884 But is this really it? Because why do they have to be turned into monks?

[@tyrant-den884]

@@rosesweetcharlotte they don't really. Several Jedi left the order under peaceful terms once the Council knew they could protect themselves and others from their powers.

[@racheline_nya]

"yeah sure, i'm not as emotionally unstable as the pathetic life forms like anakin"

[@KagagiouX]

"Only the SITH deal in Absolutes." - Obi Me: "That's an absolute." "Do or do not, there is no TRY." - Yoda Me: "...another absolute."

[@SkulxCrusherx]

Key word is deal

[@tafaramapiye1325]

@@SkulxCrusherx key word is only

[@ulfricstormcloak6675]

@2 Crazy ...You mean like Jedi have done various times before?

[@Vadecrat]

@@ulfricstormcloak6675 fiction mirrors reality

[@woho1x640]

@2 Crazy no, obi wan meant that only the sith will be against u if ur not 100% on their side

[@sh6700]

Mother: I love you son Jedi: hippity hoppity your child is now my property

[@nomad8166]

Lmao imma save that one

[@ASA-ux7cg]

You mean “OUR” property, Jedi stay together.

[@sh6700]

Jasier A. Jedi aren’t venom “WE want the child” 🤣

[@JoseMartinez-wb9qk]

@@ASA-ux7cg* communism intensifies *

[@rocketmunkey1]

A lot like our marxist education system ! Karl Marx was in fact third c0usin of Nathan R0ths-child, you know the evil )3wish banking dynasty which funds all wars and ALL SIDES ! whoever wins or loses THEY get paid ! and they move ever closer to the )3 wish religious prophecy of ruling over the non ch0sen ie US ! AKA world communist government (communism which THEY created) !

[@pan_maso5900]

"Parents give their 3-year-old child to adult man waggling their lightsabers"💀💀💀

[@hunterking6739]

Anakin: I don’t like sand. JJ Abrams: Write that down

[@extramoistbread2131]

420 likes

[@magniplayz-alghifari3702]

I don't get it, can you explain?

[@hunterking6739]

O K blaze it

[@GenesisXTRM]

Ok.... at this point i just have to assume that making fun of the sand line has become an ongoing trolling, but in reality, that line at that moment in that scene was actually perfect and made complete sense........I suddenly get the feeling that I'm about to get flamed

[@chelsea7918]

Adriana Aguillon who are you even talking to?

[@trueblade444]

The main problem with the Jedi is they are always certain that they're never wrong. They don't grow or learn new wisdom as they develop. Hence why Qui-gon, Obi Wan, and Yoda all became better in their older age. They learned from their failures. The rest of the Jedi don't.

[@edgarglopes]

"Your arrogance blinds you Master Yoda" -Palpy boi

[@LilRatArt]

I remember somewhere across Star Wars lore Yoda said that the Jedi were wrong in their actions but he couldn’t see it.

[@kylefratini2833]

Obi wan did say only sith deal in absolutes. While he isn't dealing in an absolute, he is still stating one. Cinema wins made this point in his starwars episodes 1-3.

[@TheBoarKing1]

Hello the entire conflict of KoToR 2

[@edgarglopes]

@@TheBoarKing1 legends?

[@silverblade357]

Anakin: "I'm worried about my mother." Obi-Wan: "Oh yeah! We freed her a month ago and got her set up on one of the republic relief programs. I think she'll be trained to do clerical work. I'll get you her number before long." Anakin: "Oh. Cool. Guess I can focus on my training then, knowing my only family is alive and safe!" Also... Anakin: "I've been having these terrifying dreams, master." Yoda: "Undergoing a delicate medical procedure, your pregnant wife is. Normal, your dreams are. Fine, everything will likely be. Awesome, our healthcare system is!" Anakin: "You knew?!" Yoda: "Knew, everyone did. Disappointed, the council is. Demoted, you will likely be. Normal, this situation also is." Anakin: "Huh... Master, I think the chancellor might be a Sith Lord."

[@reddawn1873]

yoda: Avoided demotion you have

[@originalstickers]

Windu: You have earned your seat on this council, and... we grant you the rank of Master.

[@fortesque7321]

*And then windu appears :* A Sith...Lord ?!

[@thanakonpraepanich4284]

Leaving his Jedi job to become a farmer on Naboo, buried Shmi and Padme after they died from old age, then ferry Luke and Leia to school in his twilight year? I think Annie will take that.

[@ToyFreddyGaming1987]

The good ending

[@sonicthekitten4096]

I recently watched Star Wars Rebels, and the Jedi Temple's test literally makes you face your worst fears and you can be killed.

[@ADMICKEY]

To be fair though, it did work

[@isaacscribellito1110]

And there putting 5 year olds through that

[@superkgaming8305]

@@isaacscribellito1110I’m there no indication that they put 5 year old though that Padawan maybe but there usually a preteen or old by the time they me become one

[@leoregulus6432]

The clone wars show actually looks at this topic properly

[@AidanRampair]

Jared Rasen actually... she was kicked, and asked to rejoin. She declined

[@qiralyncassette]

@@AidanRampair They accused her of murder and when it was found out she didn't do it they were like oops, wanna join again?

[@noahmisuda7027]

What other lies have I been told by the council?

[@2bituser569]

Noah Misuda There is only one purple cyber crystal

[@Obamna1012-]

Noah Misuda children are taken in the blink of an eye and trained since the age of three. Also, the fact that they gotta find the kyber crystals themselves for their lightsabers. Ah and one more thing: like I said, the children are typically taken without their consent

[@aurumvale9908]

"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!" - the guy who murdered 30 children edit: Wow, just ... wow. the amount of ppl that seem to think the murder of children ist in anyway justified is really disturbing

[@poissonmulti-taches2742]

And who is a Jedi

[@Swa2Swa2]

HMMM

[@JoybuzzerX]

@@poissonmulti-taches2742 He was Sith at that point.

[@kacchanteh6532]

30 Jedis

[@aurumvale9908]

@@kacchanteh6532 30 younglings

[@tylermarble1561]

This is why I love Ashoka because she realizes that the Jedi Council is wrong and leaves them and becomes a gray Jedi. I also love the concept of purple lightsabers because you are using the dark side for light side a good mix of the two

[@Cleanfocus]

Ashoka was expelled, also it's called a temple guardian

[@henrygustavekrausse7459]

Gray Jedi are just a retcon to make it seem like Lucas understood nuance the whole time.

[@Skölly-b6h]

How can she be a grey Jedi when she is not a Jedi anymore and also grey Jedi is not a thing

[@tylermarble1561]

Ok ok I get it I don’t want to start drama

[@Tuomarus]

@@Skölly-b6h a grey Jedi is what a rogue force user is called that is neither sith or Jedi like maul or Ashoka.

[@liviemillie6455]

YES. This is one of your best theories. Seriously I always felt this way, and completely understood the dark side characters who were ex-jedi. THAT'S A LOT OF TRAUMA. Honestly I pity the ex-jedi sith more than anyone else in Star Wars ... they were forced into a cultish organisation from childhood, forced to not act on their very probably volatile emotions, and ran straight into the arms of someone who specifically looked for folks like them just to manipulate their hatred and grief and trauma for his own gain. Also, Obi-Wan is definitely my favourite SW character, but I honestly think a huge part of Anakin's downfall was his fault and due to the strain of their relationship. Part of what I like about Obi-Wan is that he looks like just a plain old kind of boring hero dude, but his character is actually pretty complex, deep, and morally grey. He's really uniquely written imo. Both the Jedi and Sith are evil, with the Sith being worse but only because the Jedi are bad in the first place. The force is ... well ... a huge force to be reckoned with, and it's super easy for having that much power to corrupt someone, even if their order is specifically designed to prevent such an occurrence.

[@Patience_difficult]

i mean would you rather have the order having planet busters and .what they do to force sesitives im pretty sure the republic is kepping a sembelince of peace

[@kadegetslaid634]

The entire point of the prequels was that the Jedi were not as they once was lol

[@mokaza40]

"Do or do not. There is no try." "Only siths deal in absolute" Both jedi quotes. Come on!

[@carmenjimenezpadilla5879]

I KNOW RIGHT? The light and dark side are closely connected to each other, with a lot of differences, but really close nonetheless.

[@mokaza40]

@@carmenjimenezpadilla5879 And instead of accepting the diffrences, they pushed eachother away. Anakin could've been the jedi who used the dark force to bring balance. Instead, the jedi called him forsaken and he went to the only people who accepted him, the sith. Could've been a perfect balance. Instead, arrogance kept the cycle flowing.

[@diamondknight8657]

Darth revan became dark lord of the sith in the old Republic but was not consumed by the dark side

[@knganarxhy]

Diamond Knight and that’s why Darth Revan is the GOAT

[@blakecacini8016]

But that's an absolute, therefore the Jedi are the Sith.

[@NoonerV1]

I'm pretty sure, even as a functioning adult if given the deal of 'join our cult and get a laser sword', my response would ok where do I sign.

[@Sun-vf7zz]

Brutem Agreed.

[@insaincaldo]

Yop

[@Gwyn1stborn]

Also, super powers

[@frking100]

But no putang

[@diamondknight8657]

Join hacksmith industries they have a functional proto saber

[@DarthSagius]

Matt I do have to say one thing regarding Qui Gon: He was more of a Grey Jedi, and he tried to follow the Will of the Force itself. He could tell that Anakin was unlike any Force-sensitive child anyone ever encountered, and felt that the Force had intervened in some way for the two to have met. If ANYONE would've gone to check on Anakin's mother(or even try to free her from Watto's grasp), it would've most certainly been Qui Gon(had he not met his end by Darth Maul). He almost always went against the grain of the Jedi principles, which is why Yoda made his comment to the young Obi Wan in the end of Episode l, "Qui Gon's defiance I sense in you. Need that you do not." Qui Gon was offered a spot on the Jedi Council, to which he declined as he felt his purpose as a Jedi was to be guided by the very Will of the Force. He was also trained by Dooku when he was a Jedi Master. Arguably, Dooku's training would've been a more suited platform of training and teaching than that of the existing Jedi Code. Dooku understood there were many areas of the Jedi Order that were flawed, but as a Master, he was able to carve his own path in some way. Dooku was also one of the few members of the Jedi who believed they were meant to do more than being the peacekeepers of the Republic, and felt that the Jedi had lost their way(and even their connection to the Force itself) during the time of peace from a Force-user's standpoint. Even more-so when discovering the unfortunate death of his former apprentice and dear friend. I mean for crying out loud, when Qui Gon encountered Darth Maul for those brief seconds on Tatooine and Obi Wan asked him who the unknown assailant was, "I don't know, but he was well-trained in the Jedi arts." was all Qui Gon had to say. The Jedi made the foolish mistake of believing that the Sith had been eradicated, and simply set the thought of their inevitable return to the deepest corner of their minds. Rather than training in preparation for the Sith's return, they pretty much said, "Screw it, they're gone forever. Why would we need to be prepared for an enemy that no longer exists?". It was that very misguided assumption on the Jedi's behalf that led to their downfall. They had, in a sense, betrayed the Force itself through their lack of actions when they became mere lapdogs of the Republic. On top of all this, the Jedi Council placed the Chosen One under the care of newly-deemed Jedi Knight Obi Wan. Had Qui Gon lived, the Council would've gone with Qui Gon's request to be Anakin's Master(after Obi Wan faced The Trials)...and A LOT would've played out differently. Anakin would've had immediate trust in Qui Gon's teachings, since Qui Gon operated more as a Grey Jedi than anything else. Anakin would've become far more powerful under a much wiser and more open-minded Qui Gon than a 'fresh off the Jedi Knight press' Obi Wan. Anakin would've felt comfortable and confident enough to reveal to Qui Gon his love for Padme, which Qui Gon would then give him guidance on the matter as a whole. Palpatine would've met his demise in Episode lll, Anakin would've been deemed a Jedi Master, his transgression of a romanticized relationship with Padme would've been overlooked(most likely due to Padme being a Senator of the Republic), and Luke and Leia would've been ushered into the Jedi Order. In time, a more resolved Jedi Order would be formed, and the Jedi would be prepared for the next revival of the Sith with the aid of the Chosen One plus 2 offspring. TLDR; If Qui Gon hadn't died, Anakin would've remained loyal to the Jedi Order and Episodes IV-IX wouldn't exist(for the most part).

[@jacquelinetorres9694]

Exactly! That was one of the main points of the Phantom Menace - Qui Gon was the literal manifestation of "I'm not like other girls" lol

[@ThePlaguebringer172]

That was awesome to read. and out of curiosity. how long did this take to write?

[@DarthSagius]

@@ThePlaguebringer172 Thanks, maybe 3 minutes. Kinda used to typing replies like that ^.^; XD

[@Bestestboii]

Bruh I ain’t reading all that

[@DarthSagius]

@@Bestestboii There's a TLDR at the end of the tunnel bruh

[@charleslamb1114]

Samurai, soldiers, and most warrior culture began their training at 4 years old or younger

[@tintin999]

Yes but they don't separate from their families and in most cases the training is encouraged from the family

[@nickb1156]

@@urbanwarchief nah

[@implosion1476]

​@@tintin999 have you looked into what the Spartans done to their 12-15yr old kids

[@jrloulanza6534]

​@@implosion1476 Not even Spartans would stoop this low.

[@SCP_Wandsman13_13]

Given how unstable samurai tended to be, this doesn't surprise me.

[@Rebelnightwolfe]

"You've made a commitment to the Jedi order." "I WAS 3 YEARS OLD!"

[@tylervallejos1546]

Yessss!!!!!

[@Daddyvader7]

Brutus B. Martins this is true but they were taken at a very you age. From here on out I believe the new Jedi order will stop that practice. Change their ways. Wait until they are 10+ to decide

[@CosmicCreatorCat]

@@Daddyvader7 Oh fantastic, you can decide forever whether or not you want to commit to a life long order before you hit middle school, or less than a year after being 'saved' from slavery!

[@rocketmunkey1]

"You've made a commitment to the Marxist totalitarian new world order." Geta "I WAS 16 YEARS OLD AND HAVE ASPERGER'S !!!!"

[@jacktem3396]

Ye about anyone would want a shiny glowing blue slice sword lightsaber even at 3 then they keep you for their selves

[@idwiw-8767]

Once I saw general grevious cover his mouth ON A SHIP FULL OF ROBOTS I knew he was a true gentleman and that the Jedi were E V I L

[@CataciousAmogusevic]

Yeah, truly a good person

[@brendan4184]

He didn't want Dooku catching a specific sickness

[@Domieboy]

he doesnt cough because he has a disease he coughs because he is an organic creature that is now 87% robot. his organs definitely arent working right

[@evanescentenquirer2684]

@@Domieboy r/whooosh

[@yusheitslv100]

Then the droids quarantined him

[@Bored_Kaga]

"if a child suddenly loses their parent, they experience grief" The Jedi: *does it anyway* Anakin: *gets led down the path to the dark side due to those effects* The Jedi: *surprised pikachu face*

[@tctrx6833]

Thats the whole point of why the Jedi recruited young children. They're so young that they don't remember their parents. It's why they didn't want to train Anakin in the first place.

[@dxxgx6713]

@@tctrx6833 man, think like a human being, they may be 3 years old, but their minds can experience trauma since the very first breath. When they are born, they entirely depend on a mother figure for almost everything, maybe they won't remember what their parents look like, but trauma is still there

[@apiscold]

@@tctrx6833 exactly

[@arandomasschannel]

and it backfired didnt it

[@Bored_Kaga]

@@arandomasschannel clearly, it did

[@darthnihilus6839]

It’s a good thing that Luke realize this and allowed his students to have attachments thus fixing the Jedi order

[@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441]

Luke and his students didn’t last to long though 👁 👁

[@chocolatechipbiscuitsauce6646]

​@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 in Legende they did

[@Redrover1760]

Film Theory: Mat Pat is a Sith.

[@Qwnntm]

You would be correct in that one.

[@theramonjr]

Anyone who hates an Ewok is a Sith, there I said it.

[@mohdreez75]

@@theramonjr I have spoken

[@Ken-tucky]

Darth Maap

[@abramwalker882]

Mat Pat: The Jedi recruitment tactics are evil and immoral Sith apprentice training which includes mental and physical torture: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

[@nikolapetrovic4814]

"There is no emotion" "Only a Sith deals in absolutes"

[@anthonybouffiou153]

The statement itself is stupid, because it's an absolute.

[@InsanePorcupine]

@@anthonybouffiou153 Absolutely.

[@Jaeeden]

"Do or do not, there is no try." This sentence in and of itself is an absolute by saying there are only 2 options.

[@poissonmulti-taches2742]

@@Jaeeden We can definitely say than everyone in the f*cking star wars universe is a sith , if we follow the Jedi code . Oh , wait , i can't , i'm a sith !

[@erichdegurechaff9515]

@@poissonmulti-taches2742 Anyone who uses emotions are sith, so yes, every human in the worlds uses the sith code. "There is only passion, through passion I gain strength"

[@guardianofthetoasters2323]

Sith: THE JEDI ARE EVIL! Jedi: NO THE SITHS ARE! Space marines: What's all this racket?

[@Sorain1]

Inquisitor: Rogue Psychers and cultists, you know what to do.

[@lmao1660]

Some random citizens of the outskirts of the galaxy: "Ayo tf is happening"

[@EatAnOctorok]

@@lmao1660 Yuuzhan Vong: "We still exist! We're just waiting until we know what's going on."

[@ΝικοςΠαπασωτηρακοπουλος]

Roboute girliman would probably just conquer them for you know reasons

[@dragon_tamerak803]

The sith are actually the evil once there use of the dark side is a poison to life to use the dark side is to use your emotions to force the force to help your selfish desires

[@kylejohnson6557]

I’ve rewatched this video a dozen times now and love it each and every time! I do have one note: the “Pathetic Lifeform” known as Jar Jar (when you go back and watch Star Wars the Clone Wars) is actually freakishly competent. Maybe there is something to that…

[@kylejohnson6557]

It’s too bad nobody (especially this channel) will ever see this post again…😢

[@dobiacco]

👋

[@gabestew262]

Jedi: We are good. Empire: We are bad! Grey Jedi: Force is Force.

[@blankspace8104]

Amen...

[@kl1934]

Grey is the true force

[@peacechan4500]

Grey Jedi seeing the force as a force that have no will is why the grey Jedi concept should be more explored in this day and age The age where everything has a the good and the bad

[@bananaboiy1751]

Grey Jedi should just be force users

[@lunyxappocalypse7071]

@@peacechan4500 Not necessarily true, the dance has hardly finished.

[@robertmcminn2813]

I actually hate sand

[@anthonyschlessman1848]

sand is trash

[@starlightseason1462]

Robert McMinn Don’t we all?? 😅😅😅

[@voxhul2289]

Nik Amalia Arissa not me 😂

[@starlightseason1462]

Ya Yeet Idk Oof-

[@nanay400]

Who likes sand anyways

[@slyvix4368]

Do not blink Anakin. Anakin: What? Blinking leads to relef, relief leads to fear of disrelief, fear leads to *the dark side*

[@sahilonpc9250]

You must always blink Anakin. Anakin: What? Not blinking leads to tears, tears lead to sadness, sadness leads to the fear of never being happy, fear leads to *the dark side*

[@kinkajuu1]

@@sahilonpc9250 correction, not blinking leads to tears, tears leads to sadness, sadness leads to death in a futuristic medical civilization.

[@lavenderandcitronella325]

Oof

[@shxhebx2039]

Ok vader

[@harshjain3122]

I was gonna like this, but it's on 169 so I mustn't.

[@SHaddad2377]

07:42 granted, Qui-Gonn did try to free Anakin’s mom, yet knew better than to use direct threats on Watto to make him change his mind.

[@NoOne-nv3oi]

The only way to free Anakin's mom is to use Jedi mind trick, "no" other way. Bring money back to buy her freedom is not that hard, especially when Jedi hold enormous power in the Republic.

[@Thejourneyofamrit]

Imagine anakin’s reaction when he finds out his lightsaber is buried in sand

[@orestisg12]

I never thought of that lol

[@ajward9112]

UH OH STINKY yes herald the return of Darth Vader

[@racheline_nya]

@@aldrichsymeonm.damasco2592 spoilers

[@amyliaclenny1866]

"Nooooooooooh!"

[@BLKBRDSR71]

Vader: "NOOOOOOO"! Luke: "Dad, that's my line".

[@pumpkinjack1117]

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" Old Republic fans: "YEEEESSSSSS!!!" Also, thanks Anakin. I'm glad you have an opinion, but you haven't learned Force Fire yet so let me show you what it looks like.

[@MalevolentSpirit234]

My Dark Side Sith Lord who saves people like Superman: (0 _ 0)

[@nandoman4769]

Hmmm.... a Sith emperor who’s only goal is devour every living soul and planet so he can live forever. But somehow the Jedi who are fighting to defend the republic and stop the Emperor are the evil ones.

[@tubulartortoise2557]

@@nandoman4769 Yeah but Vitiate was cool so...

[@NearioNL]

@@nandoman4769 1 emperor does not make the entire faith/cult evil. Else we could state all human religions are evil

[@cowmeister1907]

"The ripe old age of nine years old." Antivaxxers: Yes

[@chocochipzzz4434]

cowmeister haha you mean three

[@cowmeister1907]

@@chocochipzzz4434 ah yes, seems I was incorrect. But I feel as though your estimation was a bit low, maybe 2?

[@ortherner]

No, thats 1 second old

[@putdowntheL]

Lol

[@slevinchannel7589]

This is not a Theor.y I see the comments talking that the Prequels show that it just became like that. But it didnt. It was long like that - did you not understood that point???

[@firatmengi5715]

Imagine if John wick existed in Star wars with the force i wonder what kind of force user he would be ? Or the punisher or batman ?

[@firatmengi5715]

@Moshin Rafsanjani so by your logic punisher is the opposite of mace windu because batman is like mace windu ? And what about the john wick? Can we say the same for him to ?

[@Daud438]

Galen marek is john wick or kratos

[@cillianmcpadden8939]

Jedi Order: recruits children at a very young age Evryone: Okay with it First order: recruits children at a very young age Everyone: EVEN SATAN WOULDNT DO THAT

[@Stone-TheThird]

So true. So true

[@catman-du8927]

I mean, they took away their names and their individuality. The Jedi never sought to do that

[@shaneyy__]

They aren’t recruiting in Episode 9. They’re drug-house raiding homes.

[@cillianmcpadden8939]

@@catman-du8927 ye I mean both are bad ways technically, ik that's the way the prequels were to show the downfall but the jedi order and the first order are both bad at getting recruits ( forced and tricked )😂😂

[@equilibriumphoenix2328]

Cillian Mcpadden yeah but the Jedi didn’t steal kids like the first order

[@stickman3208]

Star wars hat the best written lines "No Luke, *I* am your father" "I AM the senate" "Use the force Luke" "I love you" "I know" "I don't like sand"

[@daphilakadong9914]

Don't forget, "It's over Anakin! I have the high ground!" and "Hello there."

[@sawyer6264]

“They fly now???” “They fly now”

[@safiestudio394]

Wrong " Me? I am your father "

[@safiestudio394]

The most majestic word ever " May the force be with you!"

[@debussy9373]

@@safiestudio394 its no, i am your father

[@seamushopkins3752]

5:07 human trafficing Yoda: get in the van you will

[@jotheunissen9274]

Mace Windu: "Take a seat"

[@seamushopkins3752]

@@jotheunissen9274 lol

[@tyto4613]

Ketamine from this I will get

[@seamushopkins3752]

@CandyCornKing de Gamer 😂😂

[@reaperswinter749]

Jimmmey Potato issss there candy

[@JebronLames9612]

7:42 MatPat: "In Episode 1, we're told that they take Anakin, but not his mother, because they don't have the money to buy her freedom from Watto." Money Required: $1600 Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon: (Tries to win 46 million dollars from Powerball, but fails) Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon (after attempting the lottery for 10 years): Yes, we did it! We won 46 million dollars after ten years of trying! Now we can go back to tatooine to buy Shmi's freedom! :D

[@Youbeentagged]

Jedi: takes kids and forces them to serve Everyone: Sith: takes kids and forces them to serve Everyone: **gasp**

[@silverblade357]

Sith: "Hey! We take one kid at a time and they're usually teenagers by the time we tempt them! Don't out that First Order garbage on us!"

[@4pfBulmond]

I think you meant "*gasp*"

[@Youbeentagged]

@@4pfBulmond yes actually, thanks

[@kezzer7499]

Sith: *Shocked Pikachu face*

[@cronur]

Erm actually the Sith take no one unwilling, only strong peeps with good potential in the force and the correct emotions and drive can be a Sith.....Unless those Jedi that steal any baby that has potential in the force

[@ScytheSpear]

*MattPat: The Jedi are Evil!* *Me who read Star Wars Lore about The Sith Genocide and The Jedi who did nothing to stop the Mandalorians before Revan: Yep that's true.*

[@slevinchannel7589]

This is not a Theor.y I see the comments talking that the Prequels show that it just became like that. But it didnt. It was long like that - did you not understood that point???

[@ZAZAOXN]

ikr

[@leandroroman7053]

_There's always a bit of truth in Legends._

[@justin-or-jr2195]

i got the 400th like

[@ExoticButters168]

@Rook the jedi were really powerful and all but they didn't follow their jedi code instead of being peacekeepers of the galaxy they became military generals and they where so corrupt and they didn't teach the padawans sith ways because it could be dangerous but some padawan like anakin learned how to use the dark side in his lightsaber fighting style but it lead him down the wrong path and that's why the jedi were scared and couldn't control the padawans emotions even though in my opinion I would have let them explore sith values so they can balance the force and also learn about that stuff but the jedi where too scared too do that because they thought they would have overexposure but I would have stayed with them and let them hone their craft just windu did with vapad while balancing the light and dark without going over too much to the dark side so that's what I would do with my padawans but basically I'm trying to say that the jedi were supposed to be peacekeepers and ended up being war generals and also they wouldn't let their padawans have exposure too sith artifacts soo the jedi are very corrupt in my opinion and that's why the sith are better(imo)

[@SazzyAtom]

Roses are red Violets are blue Master Skywalker there are to many of them what are we going too do

[@mozaikkeyz2567]

*Constant sounds of a lightsaber clashing*

[@thonex8787]

Okay as i scroll down listening to the vid i read this comment and perfectly timed the quote came in the vid. realized it 3 seconds later and had to stop for 5 minutes of laughing :D

[@overheat97]

Liam Hill Anakin: YOUR ALL GOING TO DIE!!! Younglings: Ohhhh ahhhhhh light sword

[@tylerhartlep2131]

A little something I like to call *genocide*

[@Wxyver_n]

He didn't murder just the men, but the women and children too.

[@Agent-57]

Wait till he realizes what the empire does to force sensitive children.

[@bellmikhailov]

*kills children to protect them to not fall to the Jedi.* Gives me stop resisting meme vibes.

[@jollycooperation7446]

Still preferred the Dark Side over Jedi's cus they had cake.

[@shadowstrike211]

Is it chocolate cake? Then im sold

[@squishyturtle456]

^^^

[@Kaiserreich2.0]

Same

[@empire.5001]

Yes, Sith have chocolate cake and the Empire has cookies WITHOUT raisins 😋

[@Titus_Macedonicus]

@@shadowstrike211 nah bruh have u heard of red-velvet?

[@llamawearingsombrero6764]

What do you mean they can’t leave the Jedi order, Ahsoka literally walked out from it

[@emperortoxic5267]

Same with dooku

[@cufo7806]

more like kicked her out then invited her to rejoin

[@nunyabysnss9755]

Because he has no real good arguments so he forces one and basic scrutiny can counter them.

[@dolphinsniper]

Not to mention they actually make statues of the Masters who leave. To remember and respect them, and to teach their students that they can leave if they wish.

[@dolphinsniper]

@@blahblahblah4544 The Jedi might not always be the best in showing people that there are more options than just their way. There are flawed and biased like that... but they never. EVER try to force people to stay as a Jedi.

[@Makarosc]

matpat: the jedi are evil casul fans: heresy hardcore fans: your just now figuring that out?

[@crowfather6428]

I like this comment cause its pointing out the reaction of the 2 groups (of the star wars fandom). 1st we have the casuals who watch for the content. Then 2nd we have the hardcore fans the people who have figured this stuff out them self's or just watch videos to understand it, they watch for the story and content afcourse. So thats just my pov on the sttuation at hand.

[@pj5403]

I like them but I see their flaws make them wrong and evil

[@adamant_415]

There were 69 likes but someone had to ruin it

[@mjfan8704]

@hello world Something tells me the whole "Jedi are not allowed to form attachments" is because George Lucas was heavily affected by his divorce in 1983 and maybe didn't truly get over it (not that I blame him). The whole Jedi Order was also molded after Buddhist Monks from what I read in articles and watched in special features. He might have allowed those two things to have a little too much influence on the Prequels than it should have. I mean, come on. Marriage and attachments lead you down a dark path? What kinda of logic is that? Sure a divorce is heartbreaking and sure you're going to blame the other person amongst other things, but this is just ridiculous.

[@eliphas_vlka]

Well they are evil in the origin of them and dark jedi

[@eternalmiasma5586]

I think that’s why anakin really WAS the chosen one, he DID bring the force back into balance. For centuries there had been no sith, only light side, only when he became Vader did he bring back the other half of the force

[@grimlord3181]

"For centuries there had been no Sith" Umm, did you actually watch the movies?

[@stocky7134]

@@grimlord3181 The sith were basically "extinct". Like the Jedi said they had been for millennia. This is because of the sith rule of 2. "Bane's Rule of Two mandated that there could be only two Sith at a given time: a Sith Master to embody power and a Sith apprentice to crave it." The sith were lurking in the shadows following Darth Bane's plan of following the rule of 2 so that the sith could grow more powerful than the whole Jedi order and exact revenge. "The Rule of Two's establishment coincided with the creation of a plot, known as the Grand Plan, for the Sith to corrupt the Galactic Republic from within, diminish and disgrace the Jedi Order, and eventually rise and conquer the galaxy; the Sith would soften up their enemies before zeroing them in for total subjugation." This was eventually done by Darth Sidious. Now there's an argument to be had that I think @eternalmiasma5586 is trying to say here. The light side of the force was more powerful than the dark side in terms of numbers and probably power for a long time after the Jedi-Sith war. This argument relies heavily on the fact that some say the Jedi interpreted the "prophecy of the chosen one" wrong. That the chosen one was supposed to bring balance to the force, but the balance means equal power on both the light and the dark side. To me, all light side and no dark doesn't seem too balanced. Like day and night.

[@keithkelso9872]

Is that why the dews are Satan? To balance the world?

[@Val.Kyrie.]

Corruption isn't balance.

[@braydonmacleod08]

Jedi: kidnapped kids at 3 Everyone: Empire kidnapping kids at 3 to be inquisitors Everyone: OH MY GOD THAT NUTS

[@jacksonwalters7692]

What's your point both sides die either way

[@sapphirewingthefurrycritic985]

At least they ask for the parents consent. The Empire fucking murdered the parents.

[@colemastrosimone5934]

Inquisitors are Jedi turned who turned to the dark side

[@thegalaxy8891]

Most Inquisitors weren't kidnapped. Stormtroopers and other combat troops on the other hand...

[@andrewminks6729]

👏👏👏👏👏 wow just wow 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

It's not just the movies. In the "Old Republic", the first attempt at a benevolent galactic civilization supported by Jedi, back When Mandalorians had an empire, and were casually marauding planets with big dreams and bigger guns, The Jedi Order forbade ANY Jedi from interfering, even to save countless lives; to the point where many Jedi knight exiled themselves from the Order, just to be allowed to do what they were trained to! The Jedi Order has had a LONG history of beurocracy and Hypocrisy, indeed.

[@mhm3766]

That event also lead to the Jedi Civil War. Which would then lead to their near extinction from Nihilus

[@DarthMalgusSith_Lord]

don't forgot the Sith Genocide that the Jedi committed at the end of the Great Hyperspace Wars

[@Legendary_Truth]

Ok and? That pales in comparison to any of the injustices that the sith order has done such as the attempted xenocide of the wookies, the destruction of alderann and its billions of inhabitants or the trading of slaves during the clone wars and empire or the systematic killing of all jedi, jedi children and suspected jedi supporters(even of it was unjustified and based solely on a rumor or the destruction of multiple cities and starvation and economic destruction of entire planets. Yeah the jedi did sketchy stuff, but calling them evil is a stretch whereas dark side users( not just the sith) get their powers from doing evil and violent acts.

[@Mrblob100]

yeah that doesn't mean the Jedi are evil like at all.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

@@Mrblob100 True; they all indeed likely meant well, but the jedi order has been.... bumpy, in past.

[@Zawgyi1]

When you're so early the title is still Game Theory

[@mariahnicole9204]

Scizaw ikr

[@joshuaainslea6154]

😅😅

[@Toazterr]

Just realized

[@zoeb]

Hahaha just realized

[@lolipoprulz]

wouldn't have even registered to me if you didnt say XD

[@cisarvitiate]

That’s Why Dooku was right all along. He saw Jedi and the Republic are corupted but nobody took him seriously. And that all led to their downfall.

[@Earlisrandom]

The parents don’t always give their children to the Jedi order, they have “the legal authority to take any force sensitive child within the border of the republic”.

[@nashminpark5797]

what???? Thats distorbing

[@waxywabbit1247]

It's because the sith will do it anyways. In a way, it's protecting the child.

[@edocsil1635]

Where do they say that? In the clone wars they only mention that they only recruit a force sensitive child if the parents allow then to. They don't say they take them by force or else they'll have issue like on Bardotta where the lie that they steal children happened and strained their relationship with the planet's residents

[@kittycat0876]

Yep

[@AiluridaeAureus]

@@edocsil1635 "They only recruit a force sensitive child if the parents allow them to. They don't take them by force" Oh yes, because we can definitely trust the dogmatic religious zealots who believe in a doctrine of predestination _who are _*_confirmed to have MIND INFLUENCING MAGIC_* to be honest that parents willingly hand over their children definitely totally willingly. _You do not need to see his identification. These are not the abducted kids you're looking for. They can go about their indoctrination. _*_Move along._*

[@wicked_guru]

I'm 35. My mom died 29 years ago. I'm still working through it. It colored my entire childhood amd I didn't even know it until I was am adult. So yea, loss of parents can be devastating.

[@NWOfinanical]

I hope your doing good man, god bless you, hope your life is filled with wealth and everything u could want

[@fishlips3069]

I mean Anakin is lucky. He was only there for 10 years, Others were there for 16.

[@Nolroa]

Just nine years... And others were there for 16 ... seeing his best friends go to the space academy with an uncle who cared more about crops and buy droids of doubtful origin delaying the departure of boy who had to grow in the desert while her sisters were living like princesses and having a great time... If there's something that all agree in the Skywalker family in addition to the tradition of amputating limbs with light swords is that Tatooine Sucks.

[@raw5889]

Fish Lips and has no problems

[@zeekko424]

Fish Lips those other 6 was being a slave dumbass

[@andrewnugent6207]

technicality he was only a Jedi for 13 years and then he was corrupted by Palpatine.

[@zeboimgreenwood5487]

Don't forget the latest padawans, they had to be there for only 6 years

[@andrewbacon4001]

My personal theory. Way back when near the old republic era the Jedi moved their temple onto corosant to try and cover up the sith one. Unknowingly the longer they stayed the more under the influence the later Jedi would become. I think this is why you see styles like Mace Windu who actually used the dark side powers of his Opponent to increase his abilities when facing them.

[@oldsacount]

Matt, “once you get into the Jedi order you can’t leave”. Dooku leaving the Jedi order: am I a joke to you

[@qiralyncassette]

She was kicked out after the Jedi thought she was guilty of murder, they invited her back but she didn't take it (understandably) She was loyal all her life to the Jedi but when she needed the Jedi to back her up they turned their back on her. Pretty shitty thing to do.

[@cooljackster7390]

I enjoy debating Actually Ahsoka left willingly well after the Jedi invited her to come back after she was proven innocent in the Jedi Temple hangar bombing

[@qiralyncassette]

@@cooljackster7390 They invited her back after they kicked her out, Ahsoka was still kicked out of the order but when given the choice she decided to choose to not be apart of it again.

[@amabustyocheeks5459]

She didn't leave it, she didn't want to rejoin it after she was kicked out

[@thegreatestdeceiver137]

Dooku left I believe?

[@TheCatWatches]

The other sad reality, the man most excited to announce he is Luke’s father years later, sought a parental figure, finding none in the Jedi Order, and thus gravitated towards Palpatine whom he would be more open with about how he feels while Palpatine manipulated poor Anakin in a consoling way, and later psychologically tormented years later. Kinda tragic for Anakin.

[@Mr.Maverick.Hunter]

Yeah, when your really think about it, anikin's life was. Garbage to say the least, and the fact he got no support only made him go to the dark side more. He started out in slavery, got freed nbut had to go into a cult which basically was more slavery but with spoopy laser swords. Then saw his mother die, and had dreams about his love dying. Then having to report the only person who offered to help him. Literally I kinda see anikin's view now.

[@plantainsame2049]

Physically tormented Vader With lightning fingers didn't he

[@Mux_Bel]

Matpat: you can't leave the jedi order before completing your training. Ashoka: am I a joke to you?

[@abitcattywampus]

She was kicked out. She just didn't accept the invitation to return.

[@Mux_Bel]

@@abitcattywampus so she left

[@leylapank4671]

@@Mux_Bel She was kicked out and didn't return because she didn't want to.

[@Mux_Bel]

@@leylapank4671 and as result left the order behind

[@tylermason8751]

@@Mux_Bel do you not know the difference between being kicked out and leaving??? She was FORCEFULLY MADE TO LEAVE dumbass she had no choice.

[@agentsteve8263]

5:45 The whole legal system protecting children in the United States really aged like milk

[@sai1737]

Fr ask kids with single mothers while there leaving California after being mutated

[@Jasonnnnnnnnnnnn_]

"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!" Film Theory: *No, no. He's got a point.*

[@an8strengthkobold360]

I'm pretty sure everyone already knew that.

[@MalevolentSpirit234]

The Theory Side of the Force is a pathway to some views that are considered to be... unnatural.

[@hermajestythebookworm7972]

Said by a guy that just massacred a bunch of kids and choked his pregnant wife to unconsciousness.

[@MegaPlayerXxX]

True, but we must also take in consideration the mentality of this galaxy. For them, the Jedi Order was a religious, honorable army of peace keepers. They were THE Jedi and joining their ranks was the greatest honor one could ever achieve. So we have a lot of parents happy that their child gets to bear that honor. Another aspect is the Force. These children had great power and were too dangerous to be left alone. Imagine a child throwing a tantrum in the middle of store and bringing the entire building down because they wouldn't know how to control the Force. So the Republic gave Jedi right to take these Force sensitive children into training, so others may live without worry. You said it yourself, these children are not mentally prepared, so they need someone to constantly watch over them. If they lost control in the middle of temple, there were hundreds of masters ready to jump in and help. I cannot deny that at the end, Jedi lost their ways and basically became super soldiers for republic, but reasoning stands. They were founded to take care of all force sensitive children in galaxy and make sure they do not harm others and also use their powers to help. We can argue that its kidnapping, but in universe where random children can have power to level buildings just by throwing tantrum, I'd say that Jedi or something similar is a necessity. And one last thing. You assume that these children know they lost the family, but Jedi take them so young that they barely know who their parents are. For them, the Jedi are their family. Masters that take care of them are their mothers and fathers. Other younglings and padawans are their brothers and sistes. You remember in Episode 2 as Yoda was teaching the younglings? He seemed like an old wise grandfather, slowly and patiently teaching his grandchildren. Of course, that is my point of view. Feel free to hate it or ignore it, but you will not change it. XD Also, MARRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!

[@ThylineTheGay]

ill not marry christmas

[@VegetaIsBetterThanGoku]

TheVeryMagenta Puppy Lol nice I didn’t catch that haha

[@VegetaIsBetterThanGoku]

Red Wyvern Emperor Yea as a parent if my child had powers to save the universe and do good I would understand.

[@schlegs86]

^^^^^ This right here MatPat! Also i think the arguments you made would be the way a Sith might try and tempt a padawan to the Darkside. Another thing, how do the Sith do THEIR recruiting? Whats it like to be trained under the Sith?? As the point Red Wyvern Emperor made, I would say the problems with the Jedi Order pale in comparison to how the Sith treat... anyone honestly. So yes they were clearly flawed but evil definitely not. i mean... Anakin slaughtered younglings at the Emperors command.

[@evelynR1312]

According to my sources, the parents would sometimes resist having their child taken because it was FORCED. There was no “hey can we take your child?” It was just “say goodbye to Timmy”

[@umeshpawar7125]

Matpat: can you imagine a world where kids are separated from their parents at the age of three! Me: Laughs in Ancient Greek

[@jeffsampson5822]

Me: Laughs louder in Communist Propaganda and Indoctrination. NOTE: I am not a Communist.

[@menoobslayer]

Me: Laughs even louder in American Nationalist Fake News and Brain Washing.

[@ItsThatWaffle]

Im surprised noones talking about his next phrase, stating the three year olds are sent to ‘men who spend all day waggling their lightsabers around’ To me, seems like that couldve been phrased much better lol

[@neonfroot]

@@ItsThatWaffle Actually, alot of ancient warrior societies had the men molest the trainees.

[@billyjoejimbob75]

This video makes the adoption industry sound bad.

[@jovankandola]

That why everyone should watch the clone wars because it expertly conveyed the idea of the grey area more than any other Star Wars property or any movie in general

[@striderboy1000]

I want to say (Yes this isn't mentioned in the movies, but it is in the official books) that the Jedi don't always wait until a force-sensitive child is 3. If the Jedi identify a force-sensitive child, they take it. No matter how young. They have caretakers to take care of the babies until they are around 3 to start the actual training. So yeah- haha

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

but keeping caretakers isn't the solution to separating a child from their parent when they are most vulnerable to emotional unbalance.

[@striderboy1000]

@@pkmntrainerred4247 I completely agree, I was just pointing this out

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

@@striderboy1000 ok then I appreciate that

[@midgetydeath]

With parents’ permission...and it is implied Mind Tricks are not forbidden in getting said permission if the child is powerful enough to consider dangerous to leave.

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

@@midgetydeath WTF?! Well guess Jdeis are abusing that op mind trick power to its fullest......even if it means using unorthodox means on innocent parents to get the results

[@SteelWolf8]

Jedi: "Do or do not, there is no try." Also Jedi: "Only Sith deal in absolutes."

[@VengefulGreyJedi]

Austin Lopez YES! 😂

[@wyterabitt2149]

You misunderstood the statement. If you aiming to just try, that is no good why bother. Aim to actually do it, because in in the end it either will or will not happen no different to if you just "tried". It is the acceptance that it either will or will not happen that is at the core of that message, which not an absolute.

[@OneWhoDreamsAwake]

wyterabitt r/woooosh!

[@wyterabitt2149]

@@OneWhoDreamsAwake The fact you aren't bright enough to know the "joke", which I knew it was, is still a joke regardless of whether they understood or misunderstood the statement says everything. I was not correcting the joke, the joke works either way just in a slightly different context. I was clarifying the original intent of the quote that they very much seemed to not (and I suspect contrary to their comment really did not) understand. Only person wooshed is amusingly you, being unable to figure out what happened.

[@briannab4037]

@@wyterabitt2149 r/butthurt

[@spiderFern]

My favorite thing about the prequels is how Anakin was prophesized to "bring balance to the force" and the Jedi immediately went "Alright! This is our chosen one!" when they were the ones in power and the dark side was just a boogeyman hiding in the shadows. The force was unbalanced in their favor, I'm not sure why they thought this was going to end well for them.

[@SiddharthShenoy]

Lol, now that you mention it, makes sense.

[@bladeknightmaster1]

Balance in the Force means no dark side.

[@tangybuttfrogfpv8772]

@@bladeknightmaster1 um no, balance means equal. Look at the imortal father, son and daughter story

[@bladeknightmaster1]

@@tangybuttfrogfpv8772 Except for the fact that they are only beings who are strong in the force, they are not representations of the force.

[@sarmeister1699]

@@bladeknightmaster1 um didn't the son get stronger the moment the sister died? Sure he hated the fact that she died or that he had accidentally killed her, but he did get stronger. Then there's the fact that earlier Anakin had to control both the son and daughter to protect Ahsoka and Obi-wan, something that the Father mentions

[@emberfall506]

12:05 I didn't turn off my brain, but my whole computer shut down right as that line was spoken

[@Z10ZeeTen]

Dammit MatPat this was the point of the prequels and Clone Wars not just a theory

[@JAlexCarney]

Yea XP this could have just been a plot summary.

[@hungergamer4710]

Well yeah, but I mean... killing younglings as initiation?

[@vijaz5559]

Except it wasn't executed better so it would fly by over people's head

[@vijaz5559]

nobody remember the point of a shitty movie, even though rof is my favourite of the prequel

[@Light_3209]

HA!

[@MastersApprentice123]

In Qui-Gon's defense, he did try to free Shmi and might have done so eventually if he hadn't died.

[@drxtale9446]

True

[@KB024]

Bruh why didn't he just take her? He's a jedi. Who tf was gonna tell him no, and why would it matter if you're leaving the planet tomorrow?

[@MastersApprentice123]

@@KB024 I think the Hutts could have made a big deal about it and it was wiser not to start a war with them at the moment.

[@evzenvarga9707]

He could've taken her, slavery was suppossedly outlawed.

[@MastersApprentice123]

@@evzenvarga9707 So is organ trafficking, but real life gangs still do it and Lord have mercy on those who interfere with their business.

[@christopherross8358]

Also doesn't help that Yoda, the leader of the Jedi, has an incredibly long life span and is totally relatable in scale to the new recruits. Because of Yoda's unusually long life span, all the Jedi on the Jedi council grew up with Yoda as their Master. Wait, is Yoda just a different type of Sith lord?

[@distinctjackal9016]

He's basically a sith lord who wanted to restore the shitty republic

[@bridgettejasperreyes7567]

If we go by the now non-canon books... The Jedi split at some point in the far far past about disagreements about The Force and they exiled the dissenters... Those Exiles went beyond the Known Galactic Space and found the Naturally Dark Force inclined Race called With and they subjugated them... The Exiles then called The Dark Lord Of The Sith and the Title Darth came from that... Said Exiles led the Sith to conquer the Known Galaxy and get revenge on the Jedi who cast them out...

[@optimusprime4443]

Yoda species can live for many years u should know that by now because of Grogu

[@Lord_Timent]

There’s a theory that he was a sith, but he became a Jedi later

[@noclue9375]

I always thought that Yoda’s species age 1 year for every 10. So Yoda at 900 would be 90 and grogu at like 50 would be 5.

[@littlefoot5013]

It's complex. The Jedi did NOT like to train anyone who was "too old" while the Sith took in those like Dooku and Anakin. The Jedi tried to squash out individuality while the Sith actually encouraged it (to a large degree.) The Jedi were falling into apathy while the Sith, to their credit, had learned of their biggest failure, their infighitng, and thus Darth Bane instituted the Rule of Two to get around that, plus by making the apprentice get strong enough to defeat the master in order to take over, they were getting better. Of course, the Sith hated relationships and caring just as much, and likely even more, than the Jedi (see how Sidious abused Maul, for instance, or how Sidious grinned when Vader went "Nooooooo!" whne learning of the death of Padme.) Also, the Sith are indeed far more power hungry than the Jedi. Also, to be fair, Anakin never denies that Palaptine is evil, when Obi-wan states it. He just says "From my point of view the Jedi are evil." Meaning, that, yes, he believes Palpatine to be bad, but the Jedi are equally bad, and if Palpatne will get him more of what he wants than the Jedi, he'll take Palpatine's side. It's clear, from Anakin's dialogue to Padme, that Palpatine is just a means to an end for him. Once he's found how to save her, he wouldn't hesistate to take out Sidious and rule himself, and even suggests that to Padme that the two can take over the Empire and rule the galaxy together. Even Sidious, when he said "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us" was expecting Anakin to beat Obi-wan and KNEW that, sooner or later, Anakin would take him out as well.

[@WuvPain]

Asoka “Then I shall avenge him” Vader “Revenge is not the Jedi way” Asoka “I’m no Jedi”

[@cookiesforgiggles]

XD

[@shacochad7052]

Bruhhhhxd

[@koharumi1]

*Ahsoka

[@MausStoleYourCheese]

Vader: You can not defeat me. Me: Defeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. Vader: Visible confusion. Me: Throws a jar of sand and runs.

[@GrCrimsix]

Yoda: Clouded this boy's future is Yoda: The Dark Side Clouds EVERYTHING I think the Jedi Council knew since day one what this kid was going to do.

[@Aqwtiny]

I feel like Yoda knew the most, he always sensed Anakins actions. Like when Anakin murdered all the sand people, Yoda knew “In great and dire pain, young skywalker is” but he never brought it up.

[@SilverandCold1x]

When the council decided to initiate Anakin into the order, Yoda straight up admits that he was not among those who voted ‘yes’ on the matter. Of course he knew, he’s stated his concerns before, during and after Anakin’s training. But hey, we found the chosen one, so we have to keep him no matter what, I guess

[@mergeads]

@@SilverandCold1x it was Qui gons choice and his trust in the force that made him choose anakin,had Qui gon not been killed ,he could made anakin a great jedi and darth vader would've never been a thing and he admits to obi wan that he was not ready to raise a boy at mere padawan level in the clone wars as a force ghost

[@wisemankugelmemicus1701]

They knew, but by the time they could remove him from the Jedi Order they were all dead. Despite this, Palpatine's influence over the Jedi ensures him a place on the Jedi Council. Which is why he wasn't granted the rank of Master.

[@donjR2300]

Here I thought you’d be talking about their philosophical flaws like the jedis rejection of passion or their inaction in acting against galactic slavery or their ingrained apathy... nope just a critique of their recruitment tactics

[@ThiccTurd]

Donjean yeah matpat didn’t see the whole picture just the small speck of the Jedi recruitment

[@GiubileiFernando]

"their inaction in acting against galactic slavery" Unless you mean the clones, then they were against slavery, the slaves seen in the prequels are in the outer rim, outside republic and Jedi jurisdiction. That's like saying british cops are pro slavery because they don't go free the slaves in North Korea.

[@ThiccTurd]

Fernando Giubilei that is a very good point and I agree

[@lewatoaofair2522]

Clickbait title is clickbait.

[@MacrWest]

Yeah I didn't that he did that

[@Evilsokmonkey]

They couldn’t afford to set Anika’s mom free yet they know mind tricks to get evil to do their bidding. Strange huh.

[@immagoingbacktobed1742]

Darth Traya brings up a lot of the failings of the Jedi. One of the biggest problems brought up is how they teach people to cut themselves off from any emotions rather than teaching people how to deal with said emotions. This, ironically, leads people (including anakin) to the dark side.

[@neolithiumproduction]

This exactly. Its one of the issues I've always had with the so-called Light Side of the force. I mean, how can a living creature be expected to be completely emotionless? -_-

[@HammyWolf90]

I think the we need a new Jedi Council. One that embrasses the emotions of the light side, the will to protect, the desire to save, those kinds of things. I don't think the Jedi were necessarily bad, just te current council was very, very flawed. So that's why we need a new one, and I hope to see that when I finally play Jedi fallen order, now Cal is a REAL hero.

[@godusopp487]

neolithiumproduction they mostly can’t but the Jedi as long as it not a full rampage using the dark side don’t punish Jedi’s who act on there emotion and the Jedi forbid using the dark side even tho the first jedis used both dark and light to be truly balanced

[@drfate7863]

You can't cut off your emotions, you can only bottle them up until they come surging forth.

[@joshjosh6211]

Big brain moment

[@GreyHunter88]

You're really not that familiar with pre-modern societies, eh? "Literally no parent would ever do this!!!" ... The entirety of human history would like a word with you...

[@ramblingentertained]

How did that work for them?

[@GreyHunter88]

​@@ramblingentertained Considering the monastic tradition, which the Jedi Orders are modelled upon, is responsible for the vast majority of intellectualism over the past 1000 years; responsible for philosophy, critical thought, and the preservation of immense amounts of knowledge? Considering the institution of the University is born out of that same tradition? Considering that the vast majority of people entering any trades, be they scribes, soldiers, architects or scientists, all left their families to apprentice abroad? I'd say it worked fine for them.

[@ramblingentertained]

GreyHunter Like which one? By which one I mean which monastic traditions.

[@GreyHunter88]

@@ramblingentertained Well, to take a purely Western example, the Benedictine and Dominican orders come immediately to mind. By its very nature, most monastic living involved a lot of introspection, and the copying or illumination of manuscripts was seen as an important devotional activity. Monks maintained large libraries of ancient and seminal texts, and spent lives copying them down by hand. Even if the individual monks themselves didn't fully understand the texts, the mere fact that they made copies of them ensured that countless of these treatises and documents survived when they would have otherwise been lost to time. Aristotle, Galen, and others. They also spend lives in introspection and thought, and many orders (such as the Dominicans) prioritized intellectualism and teaching. They produced many of the greatest intellectuals of the Medieval era, such as St. Thomas Aquinas, William of Occam and Anselm of Canterbury. Many modern people dismiss these philosophers since their primary area of thought was religious in nature, but one cannot divest 'religion' from 'philosophy' in most pre-modern societies. The fact is that the vast majority of professions required one to leave their family at a young age and often never go back. This is as true for a young child sent to be a servant on some noble's estate, as it is for the son of a noble who is sent off to squire for some older knight. The nuclear family as we know it didn't exist, and outside of agricultural families working the same plot of land over generations (who do make up the majority of people, don't get me wrong), it was seen as very normal to 'give up' a child to a higher calling or better life.

[@Domieboy]

i agree he basis his whole theory off of, no one would ever do this, but the series shows that they would, so many times over they would. The parents understand the children are special as revealed many times over. And there is not contract that keeps jedi in either. That was a stretch, obi wan was just telling anakin to remember his commitments, as my parents do to me.

[@vishred2899]

I love that Obiwan says "Only a Sith deals in Absolutes" when the jedi literally brainwash kids to deattached themselves from their emotions and become warriors. The jedi code is also full of absolutes. The Sith, are generally worse than the Jedi but they dont hide their intentions. The Jedi actively try to hide their intentions and often choose the wrong course of action. Honestly, the sith just want power and the destruction of the jedi. The jedi have at times successfully destroyed the sith and have all the power. Maybe they are not so different after all

[@dragon_tamerak803]

well he had only actually met one sith cuz mual was an assasine

[@nnightkingj]

@@Sl1pstreams you mean like the siths complete destruction of a planet years after the jedi were dead

[@outbreakperfected5704]

I agree because as I’ve read in multiple places if you have something to protect and fight for you cannot be defeated. So if anakin was taught to cope and deal with his emotions he would have become the savior the Jedi said he would be. Another thing the council was arrogant because they thought the thing throwing the force out of balance was the sith, which if you recall, had only 2 people at a time!! Whereas the Jedi had thousands if not hundreds of thousands of members so really anakin did what he was prophesied to do he restored balance by equalizing the numbers of the sith and the jedi

[@whatsup2318]

@@outbreakperfected5704 The force was tilted to the dark side, it got worse as the war continued and more Jedi died, so killing the Jedi did nothing to restore balance.

[@reddawn1873]

The Republic has also committed genocide against against an entire Sith species

[@Turtletoadinator]

Jedi are not technically evil in the way of how they attain new recruits. They are not kidnapping kids because the parents, if they have any, are aloud to say, "No, I do not want my child going away." However, children are not allowed to see their parents because as mentioned in canon, attachments can lead to the Dark Side. Does not mean they can't have relationships with others, and the Jedi are not said they shouldn't be cold hearted, but they are to have compassion, not attachments.They have to be taught from an early age in order to fully build a strong foundation into the Jedi Order. Also, everyone knows it is hard becoming a Jedi, so the younglings would need years in order to perfect their training and hopefully becoming Jedi Knights. Of course, anyone who's anyone would tell you the Jedi Order had its flaws as the Jedi soon became prideful and arrogant, and their rules also were sometimes wrong and unfair, which is why some Jedi were "grey" Jedi. They respected the Code, but when necessary, they would disobey tradition in order to do what was right. As many people would also tell you, the prequels show you the flaws in the Order. But how they went about recruiting their new students was not entirely wrong, but I see what your getting at. Know that I enjoy your videos, but I love Star Wars a lot more. I hope you can understand what I mean, if not then I tried, but know that I do see what you mean.

[@lilycastillo1436]

Vader: How many pizzas do you want? Palpatine: Order 66.

[@pjpless2]

That got a genuine laugh out of me.😄

[@duckyduck8517]

Yes

[@chudthug]

Yes

[@adamz.5844]

DEW IT

[@f.palmero5010]

Vader: And to Drink? Palpatine: ^

[@danielwisell3836]

Guy remember the part where qui gon literally can’t take anakin until his mother agrees to it?

[@beythastar]

What else could the mom have done? Say "No he has to stay here in poverty instead of live in your temple located on the Republic's capital planet" ?

[@Poopmop6013]

@@beythastar it's still proving MatPat's point wrong. They didn't steal him, they took him with his Mother's consent

[@chrishansen8119]

@@Poopmop6013 but she was also basically forced to. Poverty

[@ZulkSOD]

Yeah, because what mother would want their son to live the rest of their life in slavery

[@HeadCannon1776]

nobody is asking what happens when the sith get hold of childern

[@titansmashproductions5001]

Jedi: Steal baby's to boost their numbers People: K here ya go First Order: Steal baby's to boost their numbers People: COWABUNGA IT IS

[@bernadetteadkins8101]

Parents giving up their baby is not stealing.

[@godusopp487]

And the Jedi were known to be good and your kid would be safe you know that the inquisitor s were padowans who were torture in to the dark side now think that but to babys

[@titansmashproductions5001]

It is when they are mind tricked to do it which most jedi did because a lot of parents didnt want to give up their babies

[@titansmashproductions5001]

It is when they are mind tricked to do it which most jedi did because a lot of parents didnt want to give up their babies

[@titansmashproductions5001]

It is when they are mind tricked to do it which most jedi did because a lot of parents didnt want to give up their babies

[@yourcollegedebt8384]

Thing is, in the Legends continuity, there's a specific event that the Jedi committed (under the Republic's orders) that confirms the evil of the Jedi, and created the undying enemy that is the Sith: They committed genocide against the Sith populace. Not just the actual force users, but the civilians, too. Men, women, children, all were murdered in an attempt to completely wipe them out. This is why the Sith are constantly focused on hatred, fear, and revenge: because millenia before, the defeated civilization that could have surrendered and made peace... Was completely eradicated. And the survivors fled, remembering this genocide and creating the evil Sith as we know them today.

[@frederickmcguy1352]

“Manipulating people and stealing ships lmao.” Like they just stole grevious’s ship for no reason and manipulated some random dudes.

[@mpjstuff]

It wasn't like a long term commitment like "guest in Kevin Spacey's basement" can turn out to be.

[@nickpickle]

yeah that really annoyed me, apparently using a jedi mindtrick to avoid soldiers from killing you and taking the only hope to topple a galactic dictatorship is an "evil" thing to do

[@busterbackster1]

@@nickpickle I mean you do take their will from them even if just for a bit

[@Artician]

Well i guess if they didn't steal (takover) grevious's ship, a bunch of people would've died on coruscant

[@nickpickle]

Springbonnie1893 they landed on a runway i dont think many people died

[@cw4106]

Mat: training kids into elite soldiers is evil Meanwhile the dark side: Imma gonna blow this planet up

[@bustedwolf]

Mat spreading Empire propaganda!

[@Mikimyerss]

Look man they Tony planet with a low population to lower casualties

[@Mikimyerss]

Instead of picking a really large populated planet

[@palindromie8441]

The rebels blew up the death star so.....

[@sami2503]

Just because hes saying this about the jedi doesn't make the sith good in comparison. Like in real life, if you blow up people in the middle east and destabilize entire countries, you are gonna spawn angry terrrorists who wouldnt have been terrorists if you didnt do it.

[@RicoTheMenace]

I think the only “good” side is when someone actually finds the “Balance” in the Force and uses both light and dark sides of the Force like Mace Windu, and Baby Yoda and what some of the Jedi wanted to do

[@amberhawkings2935]

So Revan?

[@godusopp487]

Gray Jedi

[@eriksonfarmer1734]

@@godusopp487 There are no Gray Jedi. According to the Jedi Order and the creation of the very first Sith, if you are not going to be a good little Jedi then you're not a Jedi at all. Hence the cultist feel to the Jedi Order and the truth that the Sith are the real heroes of the Star Wars series.

[@RicoTheMenace]

@Spikey King, @Erikson Farmer is right

[@eriksonfarmer1734]

@@RicoTheMenace Thank you sir.

[@TheWizdWiz]

“Can I please take a kid sir, little Susan there? Can I take her from you?”

[@shadowknight_2505]

Yea sure!

[@jacobatkinson3609]

Yeah, that is literally the whole plot of the prequels. That is the whole plan of Palpatine

[@fai-pe7oq]

Yeah I thought that was the whole point lol this vid didn’t seem all that necessary. The whole prequels was about how the flaws of the Jedi order led to both their and the republic’s downfall

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

the people didn't get the point then I guess.

[@misamisa4598]

@@fai-pe7oq oh believe me, there are people that still dont understand that their precious Jedi can have faults and chalk it up to Palpatines doing.

[@bloody4558]

@@misamisa4598 Yoda pretty much spends the entirety of the prequels explicitly telling us all the problems in the current Jedi order. In Phantom Menace he says that younger Jedi are growing arrogant while discussing this with Obi-wan and his master and while even looking at other members in the Jedi Council, to which Mace Windu agrees. There is also another quote, I don't remember in which movie in which he pretty much implies that the current Jedi care more for their rules than the force. Then you have Ki Adi Mundi being a freaking contrarian and saying all the wrong things at the right time. Then you have the young Jedi being extremely unprepared and falling in droves to mediocre war bots, not droidekas not the heavy units, but the massproduced garbage droids. Then you have three Jedi Masters being instantly killed by Sidious as if they were padawans, while strong and equivalent to Jedi master level in it, Sidious didn't like using sabers. As Jedi Masters they were pathetic for not even resisting. Meanwhile Windy cornered and nearly killed Sidious on his own.

[@sonicinfinity1871]

Flawed, not evil. That is the point MatPat missed.

[@Britbaby961]

The Empire propaganda is strong with this one

[@infiniteresolve8841]

emperor Palpatine pulling the strings of game theory...the darksides influence is worse than I feared.

[@sweetchildomusicians4621]

Both sides are dumb. The Jedi are hypocritical as the Dark Side is selfish. Hang out with the Mandalorians and where a cool helmet.

[@blaisefontenot3570]

Levi Athan What about the Grey Jedi?

[@HirayaMayari]

@@blaisefontenot3570 The Grey Jedi live away from both the Jedi and Sith as well just like the Mandalorians, but there aren't a lot of them, and they're scattered around the galaxy.

[@Qwnntm]

He is truly lost.

[@hassi44]

Phantom Menace - Young Ani - Fear Attack of the Clones - Adolescent Ani - Anger Revenge of the Sith - Grown Anakin - Hate A New Hope - Darth Vader - Suffering

[@lydmtymex]

I read that in Yoda's voice

[@kristyosborne3416]

Menace of phantoms

[@chiaplant7590]

Jules it’s not be looked as “deep”, it’s an observation.

[@chiaplant7590]

Lydia Torres I am now crying due to laughing.

[@gabrielsaucedo8467]

🤯🤯🤯

[@RedDragonForce2]

Honestly, I’m surprised Padme didn’t use her influence as Queen and later Senator to raise money to release the mother of the boy who destroyed the mother ship of the Droid Army that was invading Naboo. Heck, even Jar Jar could have mentioned something and maybe, just maybe, someone could have been sent to Tatooine to check on Shmi.

[@silvertheelf]

Both sides are evil. Also, it’s not as straight forward as it appears, watch the clone wars, there are both good and bad Jedi and Sith.

[@iceberg9326]

Hi there found this chill new Star Wars Film Theory kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaaXhouXfbpopLc

[@SteveCrafts2k]

@Yaxyax E There is light (Daughter) and dark (Son.) Both have to coexist for there to be balance. Hence the father.

[@Iliadic]

Maul wasn't necessarily bad, he was taken from a young age just as many Jedi were.

[@SteveCrafts2k]

@Zeno 6282 Don't twist my words to fit your narrative. What I was saying is that the Light Side of the Force and the Dark Side of the Force NEED to coexist. If the light is snuffed out, we get fascism, but if the dark is snuffed out, we get the Post-war Jedi.

[@jettdelzer2992]

I mean kind of but the site have done much worse than the Jedi

[@olehoncho]

The way I describe the difference between Jedi and Sith is this: There were once two Park Rangers tasked to help preserve a national park. One Park Ranger sought to preserve the park exactly as it was, clearing brush to prevent fires, driving away wolves to protect the other species, and carefully balancing the relationship between the wildlife and their environment. The other Park Ranger disapproved of this methodology, as it goes against the natural order. Wildfires are necessary to clear away old growth, wolves are needed to keep herbivores from doing damage to their surroundings, and too much micromanagement would require a lot of manpower and would wind up being wasteful and hurting what you intend to preserve. Both the Jedi and Sith philosophies are correct, from a certain point of view. The Jedi trend too much towards preservation, to the point where life becomes stale and loses touch with real life. The Sith trend too much towards darwinism, which leads to death, anarchy, or totalitarianism because they don't have a real plan outside of "survival of the fittest".

[@ashtondattilo1197]

I like jar jar binks

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

You were so close to talking about preservation and ruin. Everybody should read the mistborn books

[@user-en7dx1qp3k]

The only way for this metaphorical park to work, both need to work together and get the opinions of the public, not fight each other. This is the real message of star wars.

[@kyleangelocastro9460]

Yoooo thats good man

[@chaosdirge4906]

@@shadowfax333 The difference is as explained in much of the canon, the force itself kind of manipulates your thoughts on the matter when you lean to one side over the other. Some Jedi do have good intentions as well as some sith. Like the sith that was a businessman and how he saved all the people he was working with from a mining collapse, he never had a plan to take over the world for the most part he just stayed a business man. Should he have ever needed to chose a one over the other and stray slightly from what he knows how he would react though as others tend to go rabid.

[@kittykat1102]

MatPat: ...sets children on a path to be emotionally unstable. Which, go figure, is... Ad: It’s the perfect time to double down on Jimmy John’s...

[@iceberg9326]

Hi there found this chill new Star Wars Film Theory kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaaXhouXfbpopLc

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

Oof

[@dylancox631]

Tibetan Monks are usually recruited around 5 yrs old and never see their families again. They were Lucas' inspiration for the Jedi.

[@zexionfan15]

Looking at it from the perspective of the extended universe, the official Jedi Code is extremely different from how it is portrayed in the movies. Balance, control, and mastery of one's self, and therefore the world around them, is the entire focus of the Code. The Jedi Code is not evil, but it is also not inherently good. It's neutral by design, and that causes some major issues. If you were to classify the Jedi and the Sith Codes in terms of D&D alignment, Jedi Code is entirely Lawful Neutral with no room for being anything else, while the Sith Code is Chaotic Any. The Sith we see in the movies are all evil, but the Sith in the EU are not always evil. Many are Chaotic Neutral, and some are even Chaotic Good. Interestingly enough, most fallen Jedi tend toward LAWFUL Evil, like Darth Vader. They still have their own strict code and rules they learned from the Jedi Code, but they follow a darker path motivated by selfish desires. Their desire corrupts the Jedi Code, but the opposite cannot happen to a purely trained Sith who follows the Sith Code directly. The Sith Code emphasizes freedom to such an extreme degree that it does not mandate an abandonment of all emotion. In fact, it EMBRACES emotion. Most Sith do trend towards evil due to following selfish desires regardless of consequence and who gets hurt in the process, but selfless Sith who actually desire to help those in need did exist. It's honestly really interesting how the Jedi Code is, in its attempts to be neutral, the SOURCE of most Lawful Evil in the Star Wars universe. Placing those strict restrictions on those who follow it only winds up leading to repressing your resentment instead of letting it out in a healthy way, and that fundamental flaw is what leads to most of the events of the Star Wars movies.

[@sakbromely]

See this is why I always liked the grey Jedi even if they only are mentioned/show up a handful of times in the books. They all seem to lead to Good regardless if its lawful, neutral or chaotic. They embraced their emotions like the sith but had control like the Jedi. They were the only ones that preached actual balance acknowledging that light inevitably creates darkness and that darkness can not be allowed to snuff out the light.

[@drizzt7dourden7]

sorry but the jedi code is NOT neutral. it is the rejection of all emotion and empathy. (note: yes they are encouraged to have COMPASSION aka understand others problems and emotions but are not allowed/supposed to feel for those they interact with.) that is not neutral. its the other extream. the sith embrace all emotions 100% and the jedi reject emotions 100%. or at least those are the ideals they are supposed to work towards. the reson grey jedi/sith are the best is quite simple. they are funtional human(oid) beeings with an stable emotional framework. can the hate? sure. are they consumed by it? no. (repeat for all the other emotions)

[@drizzt7dourden7]

@@aeonreign6456 1) both sides do what they do for fundamentally selfserving purposes. they amass extream amounts of power (disregarding nearly everyone in their way if nessesary/doesnt serve their purpose) in a bid to fulfill their "ultimate goal", which happens to be the eradication of the respective other order... does not sound very neutral to me... 2) stepping away from the chart for a second: both sides are pseudo religios extreamists and fanatics, deadset on the genoside of the other faction. unsurprisingly this is seen as a fundamentaly evil act.

[@buddhastl7120]

Kinda like how the Catholic Church’s suppression of sexual desire towards women lead to some priests dark abuse of children

[@nickter745thebold8]

But it’s this kind of tempting freedom that draws force users to the Dark Side. Leaving the Jedi Order and becoming a Sith is just breaking free of one form of imprisonment and becoming trapped in another. Once someone sets down the path of the Dark Side, for but a moment, it will forever dominate their lives as a whole.

[@HunterX05]

We're forgeting something... _What about the droid attack on the Wookies?_

[@baguetteengineer]

It is critical that we send an attack group there immediately.

[@thatguynamedwil4577]

Dylan Schuder at who?

[@JoshLefelhocz]

@@baguetteengineer Agreed, Kashyyyk is in immediate danger, particularly from OOM-9, their commander.

[@lall2119]

Light side is the right side, and the dark side is the left side in a political view

[@lordlem0n568]

well, it is said that they take kids that young so they can't easily remember and feel loss- and they aren't allowed to take the child if the parent says no, because that would be against the Jedi code. Although if parents heard that their child could become a strong powerful Jedi, they'd most likely take it. Because becoming a Jedi would be an honour.

[@nunyabysnss9755]

People who try to paint the Jedi as evil forget that the only two times in SW canon you see Jedi take children... they're asked Shmi was asked multiple times. Jedi training is basically a boarding school. The idea that you can compare this situation as parental abandonment is just forcing an argument People who think Jedi are bad are simply contrarians and moral relativists. The fact that matpat tries to argue that the storntroopers are innocent bystanders speaks volumes. There's no real argument against the ajedi so he makes one. And why doesn't he acknowledge the fact that the vast majority of the Jedi in star wars history become functional and normal adults? Because it goes against the narrative that there's something wrong with the jedis methods. I mean how honest is someone whose only argument against the jedi is the single worst case of PERSONAL failure. If you stop to actually analyze the plot, matpat ... you'd realize that the reason anything goes wrong in star wars is due to sith manipulation... that was the entire point of the prequel trilogy. They didn't lie about their ability to the Senate. Palpatine was actively diminishing their ability to sense danger. It was a development throughout the plot. You're blaming the Jedi for being forced into the position of general by the sith... and then saying they're evil because they lost at defending the galaxy. Contrarianism fools people into thinking they've made good arguments. Channel doesn't deserve a sub after this video.

[@OrlandoGamer2000]

@@nunyabysnss9755 umm, cant blame matpat, its just a theory dont get overheated

[@DFX2KX]

@@nunyabysnss9755 It's not putting the kids in a boarding school that's the problem. It's putting the kids in a boarding school *and then cutting off all contact with their families that's the problem* here. Whether the child and parents consented isn't the big issue. The big issue is *those kids are never going to see their parents or siblings again* . That's not talking about the *other* issues. The issues that made taking children so young under peacetime circumstances necessary in the first place. They're taught not to have emotions at all. They're not allowed to start families of their own *at all* as of the Russan Reformation (far earlier then that, really. It was even Taboo in KOTOR, 4,000BBY). They're told not to have anger, fear, be passionate about anything or anyone that isn't the Jedi order and the Republic. They're not even supposed to grieve. You either try and fail at that. Or you succeed and become the clinical definition of a sociopath to one extent or another. You're asked not to have ambition;but that's so hard wired into the psyche of any species that managed to crawl off of it's homeworld in the first place as to be non-senseical. You're going to have an easier job cut out for you trying to bring an oasis to the desert by peeing in the sand. No wonder students keep falling to the dark side: Power is the only thing you have left. And it's pretty clear that some folks who wrote for the EU had that opinion too, look at EU Luke Skywalker as the example. Or Kreia from Kotor II, who was a singular voice of reason somehow and pointed out both sith and Jedi are full of lunatics.

[@jankspanking8836]

So you also watched wise crack’s character analysis of Vader?

[@shadowstep1375]

@@nunyabysnss9755 Palpy is no sith my friend. Momin is a sith, Palpy is just someone who thought he could control the force. Other than that you need to chill it's really not that big of a deal.

[@thehappyaipom]

2 years later, episode 6 of Book of Boba Fett is really helping support the whole mind washed jedi theory here. It also helps support Asohkas reasoning for not taking Anakins offer to rejoin the order, she took it as her opportunity for a free out from an order she now realised never trusted her, but only used her.