Final Thoughts on Rebirth w/ Kyle Bosman - Solo Queue

Damiani is curious to know how Kyle Bosman feels about the ending of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, as well as if he enjoyed the new Final Fantasy XVI DLC, The Rising Tide.
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[@jefemay94]

Sephiroth: “Aerith f*ck you”. That shit had me dying. LMAOOO

[@ShallBePurified]

Kyle has great comedic timing lol.

[@thatstheway2429]

I saw this comment before the video and was dying to see how it was used. Didn’t disappoint.

[@mattlandry]

22:20 😂😂😂

[@xxxxxx-cz1yo]

It's been 2 months an almost 200hr in the game, still coping from it. Cannot get enough discussion about this game.

[@DFTNSHEXGRM]

I think we all feel that way.. I need more podcasts and discussion videos lol

[@zZiL341yRj736]

To me the ending is basically just the same Remake again, here's some bullshit Sephiroth fight and bunch of nonsensical Bullshit. It's like well here's the discount version of Spider-Man No Way home.

[@mindxfuneral]

@@zZiL341yRj736nonsensical in what way? You do have to think a little bit. I know that’s hard

[@mathewstafford7943]

Love Kyle. Will never forget his reaction to the Remake project announcement lol

[@ChrisLT]

Been a month since I finished it, still feels like one of the best RPGs I've ever played.

[@GregoryAlanBaileygamereviews]

I'm 60 hours in and still a lot to do it's overwhelming.

[@ChrisLT]

@@GregoryAlanBaileygamereviews I did a bunch of side quests but skipped a whole lot. Honestly, I don't regret it since doing everything would've probably burned me out.

[@erinacchi9122]

​@@ChrisLTAgreed. I honestly 100%'ed everything up until Nibelheim, after that, I just went straight through the story. I finished the game satisfied without feeling burnt out.

[@DFTNSHEXGRM]

I’ve had serious separation anxiety lol Spent a whole month and half with these characters.. was so bitter sweet when I finished the game. It’s absolutely incredible.

[@peterchen6810]

Okay. Its a better RPG than what exactly? In all seriousness, I need to hear this.

[@jordanderson]

We're gonna get a big emotional gut-punch in part 3 when Cloud sorts his memories in the lifestream and he'll remember lowering Aerith into the water after she died.

[@lukesriver3666]

so more fanfiction?

[@jordanderson]

How is it fanfiction when the guys who worked on the original are involved in the remakes? I'm just guessing about what will happen.

[@darbs1832]

@@lukesriver3666 I don't think you know the meaning of fanfiction lol

[@mindxfuneral]

@@jordanderson *OG devs and team of super fans who grew up loving the game remake it* some random dude who doesn’t understand world building or context clues: so more fan fiction? You mean fiction written by fans? Uh yeah I guess lol

[@mindxfuneral]

@@jordandersonlifestream sequence is gonna go so hard dude I can’t wait for part 3!

[@harryman4000]

the wutai war is gonna reshape the previous visited areas in rebirth thats how we get to revisit them

[@Xashe]

This, and the weapons

[@someoneelse9680]

@@Xasheplus meteor. There’s 3 world events going on that’s gonna make back tracking all areas worthwhile

[@jamesbroome4802]

The game felt so packed it was like getting the Ultimate Edition release with all the DLC that would normally come out 2 years later.

[@isyutd159]

Im glad you got Kyle back for his perspective and take. Wish he was there with Max for Rebirth Spoiler Mode discussion, but this is just as good!

[@jerm5466]

Great chat, personally love 16 and the DLC is a dream come true as an action game fan. Hope square keeps making action games

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

16 was ok despite being too easy. My main problem with it was that it doesn’t really have anything that I want or expect from a Final Fantasy game. I don’t understand why they don’t just make a new series if they want action games, or at least call them spin offs. A mainline FF game shouldn’t be an action game.

[@fy4b230]

Absolutely obsessed with this game. Did a 120 hour first playthrough on normal. Platinumed it in hard mode and now playing it again from the beginning on dynamic. Honestly a very weird critique about this game is that you cannot “relive” any of the non side quests (protoreics, etc) if you choose a hard mode playthrough. You get a speed run of the game on hard mode with actually hard as shit bosses, but can’t complete the full game on hard mode. Odd but I guess it’s a good choice. Just weird you don’t have the option of starting from scratch on hard mode with all your weapons and materia. I have Dragons dogma collecting dust in my shelf while I’m playing my 3rd playthrough. Love this game. I’m biased but haven’t had a game hit this hard since 1997 FF7. Only other game that hit this hard was darks souls. Cheers.

[@00Mk000]

Good boy.

[@crashwithkirby6708]

I felt shock, immediately followed by a big sense of foreboding. I am more worried about Cloud than ever before after the ending, it left me feeling so uneasy… and I fricken love it. Edit: uncanny. That’s the best word I can think of to describe what I’m feeling

[@MrFox21121]

Dude, same! The writing and character work has been as close to perfection as can be since the first moments of Remake and hasn't let up since, so I trusted Square regardless of what this ending was and it surpassed my every expectation. While I love Aerith and want her to have her proper closure (for the rest of the party if nothing else) this feeling of unease that the ending of Rebirth leaves me with is just the right kind of uncomfortable. I really hope they stick the landing with part 3, and I expect them to at this point in time. We'll see how I feel month-to-month these next 3-4 years.

[@nickbrown5440]

Is that the Dark Prince of Nerd Media?

[@andrewnall1931]

This is awesome! I love Solo Queque so far! Great stuff!

[@tokyobassist]

I'm gonna go ahead and say that Part 3 is not going to be Rebirth's map + New regions. I think it'll be focused on Wutai, Northern Crater, Icicle Inn, Bone Village, Mideel, Rocket Town, Sea Floor and possibly new areas like Modeoheim and Rhadore while all the current towns and Midgar will be truncated versions of previous areas. I think we'll be able to fully revisit every Rebirth area but it will probably have many of the on foot fields blocked off due to the Weapons destroying an area or some shit. Honestly I really don't mind if Part 3 just has it's own regions that are heavily expanded with gameplay purpose because there really isn't much reason to go back to the Mythril Mines, Mt. Nibel Reactor or Corel Mines to name a few even in Rebirth. You already know the revisit to Midgar is going to involve splitting the party up to fight Nero, Proud Clod and Hojo.

[@DFTNSHEXGRM]

While I agree with everything you’re saying, I think that would be a huge let down to the fans. I think they know this.. we’re expecting to fully traverse the entire planet like in the OG. I think they have to do Rebirth full map + Part 3 full map.. They’ve even said that fully realizing this planet in modern graphics is their main priority gameplay wise, so I don’t think they will trim any of that. I think they can come up with good reasons for returning to prior locations, like searching for KOTR. We’ll see, they haven’t let us down so far.

[@juliansanchezharris5773]

This makes sense. Some of the more linear areas are probably closed off.

[@ThisIsMrBenShow]

OJ Simpson car chase talk during Cloud getting chased down on the bike is peak content

[@PurpleZero11]

I have over 300 hours in at this point, still hasn't gotten old for me yet. Def my new favorite game.

[@dmen0563]

Stick the landing in part 3 and I think people will buy all 3 games

[@ShallBePurified]

Unless they do a trilogy pack for a reasonable price, it's unlikely. The most diehard of fans would already have invested.

[@mindxfuneral]

@@ShallBePurifiedthey already did a 2 pack for remake/rebirth, I don’t see why they wouldn’t

[@princed95]

appreciate mentioning Luke from tales of the abyss

[@WackoWambo]

Heck yeah!

[@Qarach_Ice]

Airship fighting and underwater fighting would be raw.

[@TigerTabCat1]

Imagine if they create excellent sub and air combat. That would be amazing. I’m really looking forward to the sub and underwater exploration

[@TigerTabCat1]

Imagine if they create excellent sub and air combat. That would be amazing. I’m really looking forward to the sub and underwater exploration

[@joe_dns4625]

The Kalm Traveler is a reason to go back to Kalm. You could create an entire quest line around that character.

[@urogoth]

Honestly I'm much more aware of the fact that they put things in to to create theorycrafting about what's next while also making sure to contradict most if not all those routes by some means at the same time. That kinda dulls my excitement since I know I also gotta wait probably 3 years before things actually fall into place after already waiting for nothing concrete to happen in Rebirth.

[@michaelhowell2809]

Even if cloud did save her in one timeline, that world in that choice is doomed to fail. Therefore she always dies

[@franimal86]

What if the world doomed to fail was the OG timeline? 😬

[@kei7540]

​@@franimal86 sort of the og ending is ambiguous so we don't know if humans lived or not

[@mindxfuneral]

Literally no one understands this lol

[@franimal86]

@kei7540 That’s what I mean 👍

[@KirosanaPerkele]

All worlds are doomed to fail. Including the beagle Stamp world. There is no prime world, all are temporary. In Aerith's own words: "There is no such thing as forever". Ah, but there will be.

[@Oujibored]

First game in a long time I wanted to 100%.

[@Qarach_Ice]

This is an excellent interview 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@1Hollowgoku]

I repeat that boss gauntlet went on for sooo long I almost forgot she died

[@DravenDresden]

Re: Exclusivity Sales vs Put it everywhere Sales Sony paid for exclusivity... probably in the hopes of somebody like me. I BOUGHT a PS4 for Remake. I BOUGHT a PS5 for Rebirth. I also bought several other exclusive games, but I never would have bought a PS4/PS5 (nor the other games) if it wasn't for FF7. Which means I wouldn't have bought the other games either. And I'll do the same thing with PS6 if I have to... which means I'd be more willing to buy other games on PS6, when the odds are insanely higher that I just won't bother with PS6 at all w/o FF7.

[@VHCosta]

Hi. This is me too. Please give me my identity back!

[@ash_yt0]

Damiani's explanation of how it felt confusing (the ending) and he couldn't really process what was going on, IMO is a very fair thing to say. With one small caveat I think. He said he was "robbed" of the moment. But I don't agree with that... as they specifically crafted the Loveless play and Aerith's dream date world to act as the emotional farewell to Aerith. I think they knew that if they were going to make Aerith's death all about Cloud's confused mental state, they had to deliver that emotional impact of Aerith's death in a different way, and I think they did a good job of that by giving her new scenes where you get to see Cloud separated from her in a different way. Basically, Aerith's death scene comes at the start of the final chapter in dreamworld Midgar, not the end of it at the forgotten capital. That's what remakes are ideal for... delivering the same emotional story but presenting it in a new form and in a new way to make it a fresh experience. I think the most satisfying resolution to the worlds concept would be to make it all in service to the idea of the promised land. We have all these worlds in the lifestream, but there is only one lifestream world that lies at the heart of the planet, i.e. the famous promised land. Where all their hopes are fulfilled, and Sephiroth cannot enter. Wedge eating his pizza in the totally non-collapsed Sector 7, with Jessie's dad out of his coma, with Biggs arriving home from the orphanage where the kids have all found adopted parents, and Zack and Aerith joining them for pizza as they all wait for Cloud and the gang to arrive one day. That to me, would be a very satisfying conclusion, the "homecoming." With it playing with your heartstrings on how Cloud and Aerith will be separated for life, but with the idea they will find each other again (no need to try and keep a promise because they know are fated to be rejoined in the promised land no matter what when Cloud dies.)

[@Hdx64]

The way to sell ten million copies is this... Last shot of the trailer is Diamond weapon destroying the gold saucer with the caption... "When the planet fight back" "What will be your role" Cut to black Final Fantasy VII - Re-United Ohh and they most likely will have FF8 summons. I can totally see Mega Cactuar, Diablos, Siren etc

[@DK-210]

I’m at 120 hrs / 85% on my way to platinum. I think my impression will change on the hard mode playthrough as I have a better understanding of the story and mechanics while no longer needing to deal with side content anymore.

[@zachm2331]

Man, never thought I would hear a Ross Perot reference in an EZA video. 😂

[@ff8masterc]

Let's go!

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

I do think by the end of part 3 there will only be one timeline. The whole thing is about the timelines remerging. So Zack and Aerith could live. Or they could be both dead in the final timeline but I think all ambiguity will be gone. The theme of this trilogy is bringing together all of the compilation and all the different iterations of ff7 into one game and I think they will express that using these timelines coming together as one. And sephiroth being defeated for good.

[@Wi11iamNZ]

I think its just a way for Zack and Aerith to continue to exist/or come back without actually doing so ya know? as a service to the fans. We want to see our beloved characters one last time. To hear them speak again, interact with one another. I do however think ultimately they both are fated to die and will be by the end of part 3, the main timeline will remain unaffected. We may get a bittersweet reunion between Zack and Aerith, perhaps they die together.

[@erikinhd13]

Aerith is clearly dead. Only Cloud sees her bc he’s crazy. Lifestream Aerith is a thing though. Was in the OG and in this. She communicated to cloud through party Aerith. When Cloud was brought through space time by Sephiroth, he now can do the same thing Aerith, Sephiroth and Zack can do. He can visit his own body in other worlds.

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

@@erikinhd13 i'm not debating that Aerith is dead at the end of rebirth. What I am debating is she was killed in rebirth by sephiroth merging the timeline to a reality where Aerith died. Because cloud parried that sword. There is a timeline where cloud saved Aerith. But sephiroth overwrote that reality by merging in the out come from countless other timelines. Using the despair of other worlds as his power. My thinking is if sephiroth is able to merge worlds to change the outcome. There is nothing to say they can't be split apart again to leave a reality where Aerith is alive.

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

To elaborate on the power of despair mechanics. The way interpreted that line, is yes cloud saved Aerith in this timeline, but he failed to save her in 1000 other timelines, and with the lines blurred between worlds. The strong emotions from all of the worlds where he failed to save her twisted the result of this world. I imagine it like time flowing like a river and this one permutation where cloud saves Aerith goes against the current, and ultimately gets swept away, leaving the result being the same as the original ff7. And the reason cloud was able to save her this time was because of all the visions the planet and Aerith showed cloud of aeriths death throughout remake. So he knew it was coming. But ultimately it was all futile as sephiroth changed the rules and made it happen anyway.

[@erikinhd13]

@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu I think the parry was more in clouds head than what really happened. She died. But we are viewing the events through clouds eyes. He is an unreliable narrator. There’s Aeriths from other worlds that are still alive but we’re all being hunted down by Sephiroth. Omni Aerith spoke through the dying worlds Aerith. Said goodbye and gave him the white materia. She pushed him into the ground and Sephiroth kills that world’s Aerith soon after.

[@SkullMan---]

I haven't played Final Fantasy since FF8, and I enjoyed this convo

[@The_Claymores]

Rebirth would have needed another 2 years in the oven if they were going for a multi-platform release with the Series S. Many developers have discussed benefits of developing exclusively for a single platform. Focused development is faster with higher quality results.

[@MikaMausArt]

We've ALL seen back in 2010 the graphical downgrades FF13 went through the minute they switched from a PS3 exclusive to multiplat. SE is not good developing games multiplat, they need to be focused.

[@levitastic]

personally i think the 2 extra years would have been better

[@pakapata]

​@@MikaMausArtthe problem with FF13 was everything other than graphics. I would be horrible dissapointed at that game even if it somehow had ps4 graphic level of detail on it

[@terencecaron2922]

That discussion was the best thing on the channel in a while, especially the "EZA podcast" part about the future of Final Fantasy. Just re-hire Bosman for the podcast once a week :p

[@niccolomanahan7775]

Surprised they didn’t talk about the Shinra Middle Manager’s character arc culminating in the Golden Saucer when they mentioned him. Unless I missed it.

[@dandan7340]

I bought a PS5 and a 4k TV just to play this game. FF7 is now my gold standard. I played other games and they are shit. Other developers should up their game (no pun intended).

[@re349529]

knights of the round 10 mins CG no crash reports accepted 🤣

[@EctocoolerEI]

Breath of the Wild was on Wii U

[@clumsy_sage]

You created the internet lmao

[@jynxycats]

The thing I'm still wondering about is.... that isn't Sephiroth, it never was. It was always Jenova via one of the experiments appearing as Sephiroth. Wondering how it'll all piece together by the end of us this, cause they are certainly setting Jenova up to be more than it was originally.

[@sillylittlesheepjax6009]

Ppl are suprised that FF 7 rebrith sales are low but just look who is interested in the story/game. Most ppl in comments are 30 y old dudes. Zoomers just dont care abt it , this podcast is the perfect representation of FF community. Just older gamers being nostalgic abt FF 7

[@finalfantasy9142]

178 hours in game. Still brilliant!

[@Outdated_App]

If it was on Xbox, sales may not increase. It would just be on Game Pass with Xbox paying out monthly. I agree with the release on PC on the same date. I was in Japan a few weeks ago. Gaming is still big there. Their yen is weak though. I just think you'd think twice about making a purchase like that.

[@Qarach_Ice]

THE LANDI LODGE…. WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT INTERVIEW

[@duorei]

Super late to the party but great chat guys!!

[@shifting_tides]

49:00 Both pitches are missing something crucial... Disney characters. Mickey Mouse. Donald and Goofy with geostigma. Bag get.

[@franimal86]

Don’t give SE any ideas 🤣

[@makotoamamiya2442]

I believe with final fantasy going multiplat there's also a issue of fan expectations. If it goes multiplat then you have fans who will be disappointed that the games would be limited because of different hardware and not take full advantage of the PS5 like XVI and Rebirth does

[@666pegler]

lets get Ben and Brad on the next couple episodes now Damiani! full reunion line up!

[@emadwolf10]

im a pc player and a hardcore FF guy that has left console long time ago the gaming is shifting I'm sure it will outsell it then ps5 I will bet with you.

[@redcomet0079]

I wish they gave you the choice to save her, aka MGS1 style. Or have it that Tifa gets impaled and you continue the rest of the game with Aerith. That would’ve been insane

[@sutekidane94]

As far as guest summons. Anima could easily be a summon. A mix of Hojo experiments on a summon resulting in anima. The airship could turn into Ark from FFIX. Magus Sisters could make an appearance.

[@FalseGryphon]

My 8yo loves rebirth, she spent hours doing the chocobo racing haha

[@juliansanchezharris5773]

My 8 y old love travel the costa del sol/corel region area and driving the boat/airship. I just introduced him to gold saucer haha

[@magnainsomnia]

Please come to Manila Hikki 🇵🇭

[@backyarddad4198]

Add Lightning as a cameo summon.

[@sonofsparda1810]

It's interesting that the irony of saying FF7 Rebirth is selling less because of the install base of PS5 and then using BotW and Switch as the example of a game selling to a bigger install base is lost on both Kyle and Damiani as BotW at the time was even outselling the hardware for a while. I do think PS5 exclusivity is having some effect on the sales of Rebirth for sure, but honestly if you are having a problem selling your game to a 60+ million install base on the ecosystem that traditionally has been the home of your series for many generations, then I think your franchise has a bigger problem beyond just being locked to that one platform.

[@googyta]

I think the real 10 million copy selling trailer would be Cloud with Shadow the Hedgehog on the ferris wheel.

[@DewaHuang]

I think the sales of rebirth drop, in portion because of the exclusivity "only" 3 months. Most people thinking just wait you know For comparison, Rise of Ronin (in japan) selling better than DD2

[@thatstheway2429]

Do people think the first part of the next game will be a bit more linear? I feel like there’s something weird about having open world fun quests and character interactions while your main character has officially lost his mind. Tonality wise, it seems like it makes sense to sprint to the northern crater, and open up the world again once you get the Highwind.

[@franimal86]

Makes sense to me, it’s pretty linear in the OG, too, once you get to the northern continent, until you get out of Junon

[@voistar5387]

I hope its more linear at the start. Biggest issue with Rebirth is the serve story pacing issues and lack of a story in the first half (or where ever Chapter 9 is placed in the game's overall story structure). Rather have them focus of the story more in the next part and slowly reintroduce the open world than repeat what happened in Rebirth, cause feel like the ipen world caused a lot of pacing issues. That and the mandatory mini-game blitzkrieg that happened in Chapter 6-8 and 12 but with how much story they have to cover in the next game I don't think that will be an issue in part 3 Though if they make the open world muc less repeatative in the next game with its objectives, maybe it won't feel as bad as it sometime did in Rebirth. Though again, biggest wish is that make it have a better paced story with more focus on the narrative like in Remake.

[@thatstheway2429]

@@voistar5387 I think it will be. To that point though, the OG is the same. The story really doesn't start until you get to the Temple of the Ancients. The beginning is really just character building and exploring the world, without too much core plot as it relates to Sephiroth. And then disc 2 just goes off the god damn rails 😂

[@voistar5387]

@@thatstheway2429 Yeah I guess thats the biggest issue I have with Rebirth. They picked the worst part of the OG to try and make into its own game and backpeddled on the narrative changes present in Remake which made Rebirth story just feel lackluster for the most part, with no legs of its own to stand on. Works in the OG because is not even the 1/2 mark of that game doesn't work here because its the entire game with (currently) nothing to support it. That and the developer interviews are either being terribly translated or are extremely at odds with one another that it is making me less and less confident of where the story is going.

[@thatstheway2429]

@@voistar5387 interesting, sorry you feel that way. I definitely understand the issues with the pacing, but I viewed this game as character building and world building and it did that masterfully. While these are isolated stories, Cosmo Canyon, the Dyne stuff, the boat ride over are all iconic moments of the OG that they expanded upon. To me what this game was about was making you fall in love with the characters (I would argue every character is better than the OG), and care about the world you’re in. Because part 3 is going to be an all out, shit is gonna get fucked up and it’s peak “we gotta save the world”.

[@franimal86]

I’m here for all final fantasy 7 content until the last part comes out 🤣

[@therealmob21]

Little surprised Damiani thought those FF16 sequences where you press 2 buttons were more exciting or difficult to pull off than some of the boss fights in Rebirth.

[@voistar5387]

Don't know about difficult (personally felt Rebirth and 16 were same difficulty outside of a few questionably design bosses (Rufus rematch, which sucks because I loved the boss in Remake but if felt like sh#t here)), but definately found the 16 bosses more exciting, though thats probably due to 16 have a much tighter focus and better quality with its narrative. With the narrative being the focus so the bosses felt more engaging, climatic, and exciting due to the narrative stakes. Felt Rebirth was serverly lacking in the story/pacing department (partly due to the fact that they picked the worst section of the OG to turn into its own game with little story change), so the bosses felt less satisfying and exciting. Except for the JENOVA fights, though that is 100% personal bias of thinking JENOVA is a more interesting villain concept then Spehiroth and desperate, misplaced hope that she is somehow become the main villain in the end of the trilogy. And her themes in the trilogy have all been amazing. (Lifeclinger waa my favorite Rebirth fight and single handley change my view on "if they stuck to the original with Aerith's death, JENOVA: Life would be an anticlimatic and unstaisfying final boss". I was wrong, she should have been the final boss considering what came after her.) Plus didn't mind the QTE, just enjoyed the cinematic clash they caused and the clear phase change they usually marked. That and some of them were really cool (still love the Midnight Raven ones were you do three in a row to slowly push him back before delivering the final blow)

[@zettovyker]

Guys guy's, all these things are just dirstactions from the most exciting part of the game: Queens Blood Season 2 baby!!!

[@StiffAftermath]

I was wondering why the party was fighting the white plot ghosts from the Planet. The the white plot ghosts were trying to stop Cloud from saving Aerith. Aerith was destined to die. And...Ex-death.

[@syferz]

1:23:26 live long enough to see the villians become the heroes? More access to a game should never be a bad thing as long as the game can retain its identity. Reports out of gamescom was that Switch 2 demo being shown off was Matrix Awaking running better than on XBSS, which honestly with DLSS and RTX features that were confirmed in the Nvidia hack from 2022, makes perfect sense that this thing will have no problem with current gen games.

[@Qarach_Ice]

YOOOOOOOOO…… THE SLAP FIGHT!!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mercurialjove460]

I got really emotional before you even started talking about the game when you were talking about kids not knowing Final Fantasy. Because it made me think of how I learned about Final Fantasy - and I realized it was GameTrailers. I found out about Final Fantasy because of the GameTrailers Retrospective and Top Ten lists. It's sad and crazy to think that nothing like that exists anymore, a way for kids to learn the Deep Lore of the games community. It really feels like the brutal shift from being a hobby and subculture to mainstream product and commodity. It sucks man.

[@armysoldier0079]

Need to bring Yojimbo to part 3 for a summon. Money=power 🤣

[@iitvoii]

Maybe the reason why kids these days aren't aware of things that are going on is because most people consume news on their phones and watch streaming tv/movies on television. We grew up with broadcasted tv.

[@KoolKojoS]

People keep saying the cait sith & others date is impossible to get on your first playthrough but I ended up doing just that... Thought they were joking and the real date scene would come later lmao. Knowing no spoilers I psyched my self out after the date finished expecting there to be another date right after.

[@juliansanchezharris5773]

Did you perhaps skip all sidequests and make all wrong answers up til then? 😅😅

[@KoolKojoS]

@@juliansanchezharris5773 I was actually rushing through so that I could avoid spoilers, then doubled back after credits to do all of the side quests. Wonderful experience. As for my choices, I’m not sure haha I tried answering them naturally and I guess I chose wrong 😭

[@Qarach_Ice]

They should have an Illusions of Gaia Arch.

[@ETHomerin]

What’s one random thing in part 3 you all wanna see? I want Scarlet to kill and drain the moogles of their energy to power up her Crimson machine that could turn into a pained cyborg that screams ‘kupo!’ She can die in this machine lol

[@VHCosta]

1:17:51 i think it's been in Steam now for a while

[@Luqman899]

They're gonna reshape the world, FFVI style

[@gregbrown6921]

They better get the Weapon fights right

[@ToniaHan]

Recently i recommend REMAKE to a "non FF fan" friend on PC, i just suddenly realize how good REBIRTH it is, and how "hollow" Remake was.

[@Qarach_Ice]

Meteor in all the branch off worlds,

[@furrybproductions]

1:58:55 I'm with you Kyle 🤣

[@ccan_max5285]

Another video on FF? I will take it

[@Sibfur]

Damnn too bad Max wasn’t here

[@zodiac909]

I miss Kyle & Ben 😢

[@Qarach_Ice]

There were too many enemies for them to have put them all in rebirth…. REVOLUTION has the extra enemies… to fill the enemy skillz chart.

[@michiganjack1337]

It’s the seventh best Final Fantasy 7 😆

[@peterchen6810]

The fans were not respected at any point during this games two releases: problem one. The story was not respected at any point in time during this games two releases: problem two. Sony had entirely too much influence in the production: problem three. The story is now in a tailspin into the abyss because too many non-canon factors are included that were poorly thought out or not story-boarded: problem four. We could go on to about 74 before I'd get tired but this 3 part story is very insulting. And they still didn't add original DLC outfits yet.. why? They did it for the NF(tee) promotions in Japan.

[@JustinWPruett]

What are you on about? I’ve read this three times and have no idea what you’re saying. FFVII Remake and Rebirth are incredible video games that respect both the story and the player.

[@LuisCassih]

stop doing drugs, I don’t understand how people can like this comment. It’s NOWHERE close to the truth.The game is the best representation of respect to old fan I’ve ever seen, and this comes from an old fan off FF7, which is my favourite game of all time and did a big impact on my life. FF7 Rebirth was one of the best experiences of my life, and I feel it was targeted to fans like me. This guy must be trolling.

[@Jack_InnaBox]

when it comes right down to it we live in universe B, where beer tastes bad, water isn't wet and SquareEnix can't even remake their own flagship video games. its like EA forgetting how to make FIFA or nintendo forgetting how Super Mario games are made.

[@juliansanchezharris5773]

​​@@JustinWPruettI'm pretty sure this is sarcasm

[@HouseOfTuff]

Getting the feel it was rushed from the get go but followed it off and on. its not the slam-dunk they were expecting methinks.

[@zachlogan2058]

As gamers, we should not care one bit about how much money these companies are making. If they produce good products, they will survive. My job starts and ends with playing and enjoying the game.

[@Qarach_Ice]

Make Titus a summon.

[@mathewstafford7943]

47:45 This will sell 10 million extra copies because shippers are fucking crazy

[@ectogamut]

Part 3 could sell 10 million copies if the opening sequence is just Red XIII’s running wild minigame with multiplayer

[@n64central]

I could never bring myself to finish it, the open world really bogged the game down for me. I’m not pushing through it but I likely won’t get the 3rd entry

[@lowbarscooter]

If Squeenix really are struggling to sell one of the greatest games of all time in Rebirth then they have some serious issues, not only for part 3 but beyond that. I just hope it doesn't impact on development for part 3

[@OutsidersLaptop]

The thing about the Weapons, and FF7R Part 3 - I'd prefer they kept Ruby and Emerald as optional encounters. But I'd really like it if they kept the spirit of the encounters--SOMEHOW--and what that boils down to is the surprise factor. Hindsight is 20/20. But there was a time when you were exploring around in the submarine, saw something moving, thought to yourself "What is that thing? Maybe I should take a closer look," and then BAM! You're in an underwater field with a timer in the corner, at the feet of a monster way bigger than the world scale would have you believe. And you may have forgotten about that experience by the time you see a weird, tiny red thing in the desert and walk up to--"AGHH THEY GOT ME *AGAIN*" Turning them into large scale, multi-phase set piece battles telegraphed a mile away might sound cool on paper, but it takes away from their menace. They're not so imposing if they're just like every other set piece boss you've fought. And if they're tied into the main quest, then there goes the "But I'm not ready for this!" feeling, replaced with "Ok gang, let's go kick this thing's ass in the most stylish way possible-but don't worry about losing! We've got generous checkpoints, because we want to keep the story moving along as much as you do!" In that same vein, I didn't like that Big Snake was turned into a mandatory story boss in Rebirth.

[@karthisplays]

You guys should review the game and not nitpick every last thing you didnt get that you wanted. Thats a horrible way to talk about this game

[@voistar5387]

If anything, I think people aren't critically analyzing the game enough. It has some fumental issues that seem to be swept aside in dicussion by dicussion over the excessive fanservice. Like the narrative and story pacing in Rebirth is very problematic and needs to be addressed in Part 3.

[@danieldavis2347]

​@@voistar5387 What narrative issues? Pacing issues are a part of every open world game. It comes with the territory.

[@voistar5387]

@@danieldavis2347 The pacing issues weren't caused by the open world, they were cause be the complete disregard for story pacing in Chapter 6-8, 12, and 13; all of which are filled with extremely bad padding of side content disguised as main story content that does nothing but artifically extend the story length and bring the pacing to a painful halt. It also doesn't help that the section of the OG that Rebirth covered does nkt translate well to a full game, especially since this game they seemed to majorily backpeddle on the ideas of Remake until the last 2 chapters. Also there are some major tonal whiplash thoughout the game, most obvious example being the switch from Chapter 5 to Chapter 6.

[@dmen0563]

Didn't kyle and max make a bet in the remake spoiler mode? 🤔 part 3 with max!

[@justaguy2732]

That they would (or wouldnt) use footage from the original game

[@gox6499]

Kyle lost the bet and did a week of Killer Instinct already.

[@nintendad8168]

was he serious when he said did you create online 😂

[@melloking7780]

my take away…..: can’t suppress 30 years of thirst!

[@richardkhchang]

Isn't the Breath of the Wild of Final Fantasy just Final Fantasy XIV and the reach that that has had?

[@voistar5387]

Are you talking in terms of popularity and exposing new people to the franchise? Because if so, yes (despjte how much some in the FF community try to gatekeep the MMO players [which is sadly a decent portion of 7 fans]).

[@richardkhchang]

@@voistar5387 I mean in whatever sense that the guys in this podcast felt was missing from the franchise. It sounded like they were just describing XIV but forgetting that it exists.

[@voistar5387]

@@richardkhchang Gonna be honest, while I still like Rebirth, dont really trust anyone that says is has what the franchise has been missing, because only difference between this and previous great entries like 16, 14, and Remake; is that this one has a lot of padding via mandatory filler and a lot of filler that ranges from bad to good. Also, yeah for some reason some people in the FF fandom like to act like the MMOs don't exist and aren't more popular then most other entries in the franchise. Like I have seen so many people say this is the first great FF game since X, when A) 16 exist and was massively popular (I know that makes some in the FF fanbase whenever so time mentions that so prepare to possibly see some toxic replies) and B) FFXIV exist, especially with Shadowbringer and Endwalker. Like people are acting like FF is a dying brand because Rebirth isn't selling amazing, are they forgeting that XIV had to temporarily stop selling Endwalker because it was too successful for the servers to handle?

[@richardkhchang]

@@voistar5387 I don't think they even said/implied that it was, did they? Don't remember the video too well, it was two weeks ago, but I recall them suggesting the opposite. Can't say I agree with you, though. I didn't play XIV, but personally (as someone who likes Tactics the most, so it SHOULD be right up my alley) I found XVI to be pretty mediocre/bad, and Rebirth to be a relative return to form, although the bar's been pretty damn low. Although I despise the Zack bits, the characterizations and character work in general is a lot stronger (maybe even more than the original), and there were moments of inspired absurdity/fun that I did not expect from the usual soulless AAA games, personally. I think my general feeling of Rebirth is that the overall vision is somewhat questionable, but tons of people who worked on it seemed to really put a labor of love into a lot of little details, and you can feel that as you're playing it.

[@voistar5387]

​@@richardkhchang I wish more people were willing to talk about 16 the way you just did. Instead it's usually the most bad faith, back and forth between the toxic negative and toxic positive fans ever and it sucks, with both yelling at each other that they are wrong or not "true-fans of the series" (despise those ones the most). I guess because I put more points into a good narrative then I do side-content/mini games (definately a biproduct of FFX being my first FF since it was primarily story focused and my utter hatred of the butterfly and lightning minigames and meh feelings on Blitzball) is why I prefer 16 to Rebirth right now. I usually play games for the story and combat, and that determines if I play it again in the future rather then side content,and 16 excelled in both of those for me. That and I felt the bosses in Rebirth were not as good as they were in Remake and 16 (though 16 is a very high bar so dont hold that against Rebirth and Rebirth still had some amazing bosses like the JENOVAs but overall felt the sum of bosses were a downgrade from the Remake ones) That and I have never felt so bored and frustrated by a section of any FF game more then I did in Chapter 6 and 8 of Rebirth (main sources of the pacing issues, aside from Zack, for me and sucks because after FFXIV was looking foward to the OG Gold Saucer but was just burnt out of story-mandatory mini games by the time I got there) though that again boils down to the above mention preferences. But definately agree that you can feel the love for the OG the devs had, just think the particular section of the OG they picked to cover in Rebrith didn't do any favors with the story pacing or overall narrative, since this part of the OG was focus mostly on side stories rather then the main narrative, which works for the OG since its just a snall part of a bigger game. So mostly waiting to see if Part 3 justifies all the changes in Remake and Rebrith and the narrative of Rebirth in specific, especially that ending (which again sucks because it could have been amazing if they just picked a side, and JENOVA Lifebringer completely changed my opinion on a OG recreation not working due to JENOVA Life not working as a final boss because Lifebringer was the best boss in the game and much better then what came after [partly due what came after lasting way too long like damn, they should bot have put a 7 phase boss fight directly after a 4 phase one]).

[@Mr.Schneebly69]

I promise y’all they are not remaking the story beat for beat with extra steps. Changes are coming in part 3. None of this whisper shit makes sense if everything just goes the same way

[@aytony4090]

I'm betting on the first 2/3rds of Part 3 are exactly the same but... the last 1/3rd is like 20 hours long of new stuff.

[@nicolascastano7222]

lmao the same was said for rebirth. The most you can expect is they change the ending and lead up to advent children. 90% is going to be the same as the OG.. Devs have said this tens of times by now...

[@Mr.Schneebly69]

@@aytony4090 agree. The whispers can’t just be a cheap fakeout.

[@DK-210]

I hope so, but I’m hedging expectations

[@MelLeftymit]

So its not a remake and they lied the entire time lol. Yeah we already knew that skipper.

[@penzorphallos3199]

On the OJ car chase mind impact. My big tv memory was 9/11. But I was very surprised how George Floyd's death and BLM had such an impact worldwide and how it was very generationaly skewed. I'm a millennial born after the OJ, Rodney-LA riots tv events, but those kinds of things weren't really new to me tho. With internet you kinda get desensitized and see so much more bad shit. Yet interestingly that didn't really grab me as much as it did for younger people.

[@thedarkknight2221]

Where’s Professor Dood?

[@SomnusShinra]

LMAO Professor Dood that's hilarious

[@kylethompson1379]

Mindlessly clinging to original FF7 and advent children lore, despite the latter being garbage and well due for a retcon.

[@someoneelse9680]

@@kylethompson1379you good ?

[@kylethompson1379]

@@someoneelse9680 In general yeh I'm alright. Hope you're well.

[@kylethompson1379]

@@someoneelse9680 All I'm really saying is that I sense max is a bit of a purist, and that's fine, I like his content anyway. But basically, I think it's fair to say that advent children isn't particularly good in terms of lore for FF7, and SE can do much better with it if they're brave enough. if we all just wave the flag behind mega ff purist influencers then SE will get the wrong idea. If SE really just want to keep it largely the same in terms of outcome and all this fluff is just marketing gimmick then OK I'll still like it. But I think it's a bit of shame when it's a good chance to make ff7 conclusion lore great rather than the (IMO) 'meh' to bad that is advent children. Hope people like max aren't going to somehow push SE to chicken out of making ff7 even more perfect as an IP. But whatever, was a bit of a tongue in cheek dig is all.

[@voistar5387]

Would be an amazing, 9/10 game if the story and narrative pacing (pacing was Rebirth's biggest issue) was better, specifically in Chapter 3-8, and 12-14. I get that is being mostly accurate to the original but given that this was the section of the game with barely any story in the original, they really need to add or change a lot of things so that this game could stand on its own like Remake, instead of as it is now were we have to wait for Part 3 of sort of justify this game's story beats. That and this games ending is a huge mess of poorly executed ideas that, once again, kind of needs the 3rd game to justify the existancr of both their and Remake's changes. All of that kind of drags Rebirth so a 7.5-8 /10 Mostly just the narrative issues and repeatative nature of the open world stuff that is holding it bqck from being an amazing/great game. Open world can easily be fixed in the next game but nervious about the narrative since interviews seem to indicate the script has already been written, but we'll have to of the 3rd makes everything worth it. Rather have games that focus on specific things and does them amazingly vs games that try too much and ends up a mixed bag of great and meh, which Rebrith falls into due to its great highs and frustratingly extreme lows.