FULLY INVOLVED Garage Fire

[@keetnasty]

I’d like to point out not only did the cops do a good job blocking the street but they did a great job of not blocking the firefighters. Which is a big deal, I’m pretty sure most firefighters have had problems with cops blocking access

[@fdMT_EnGy]

Yeah definitely noticed that too.

[@rhoonah5849]

That's a good point. I responded to a medical where we had a rollover on the highway with life flight on the way. We were the first ambulance on scene and state PD had the highway blocked but the problem was that WE were blocked too! I say there with the cycling through my sirens and was about to get out and pound on the damn cruiser when one of them finally woke up and moved.

[@TylerTMG]

@@rhoonah5849 on a a scale of 0/10 how annoyed where you?

[@rhoonah5849]

@@TylerTMG Hmmm... maybe a 5 since they only relayed us for maybe 5 - 10s but it was still an unnecessary delay and the patient was really messed up.

[@BARBLOW13]

Great video. Being in a small department myself, not as rural as some, these guys kicked ass for having a 4 man crew to start. People shouldn’t hate on videos like this

[@Morpheen999]

Our local department has 2 trucks.. and the nearest backup is at least 20 minutes away

[@bobbanks4891]

I’m a fire fighter in Australian and we are in a very remote town we have 1 truck and a much smaller appliance half the year and one extra truck gets sent up for the other half and nearest backups an hour away from a even smaller town we’ve been caught out heaps with big structure fires but there’s nothing that can be done

[@CA2CAoutdoors]

Only thing really hating on is being familiar with your equipment took 3 people to pull the pin on the deck gun. That’s not ok

[@winlinux9]

I have to say this.. I was in a Suffolk county fire department for many years. Ronkonkoma was and still is one of the best fire departments out there. They are not so small either.. rather large department.. Proud of my brother firefighters!!! Great Job!

[@ChriShirGle]

When civilians have asked me or commented about no one running on the scene I tell them when you’re running you are not in control and you can miss things, the only time I run is away so if you see me running you better move your ass because the world is about to end.

[@jmcculloh88]

I will agree but also will say it all depends on how your dept trains. The dept I came from we moved with a purpose sometimes that meant jogging and all depended on the situation. Main reason I love the fire service is there isn’t one way to do much of anything. So many tools for the toolbox.

[@stevenbowers4164]

I'm not sure if it's true but there is a story that a British military EOD truck if Afghanistan had for a while a sticker on it saying "if you see me running try to keep up"

[@ChriShirGle]

@@stevenbowers4164 Could be true I’ve seen that bumper sticker at seminars

[@ChriShirGle]

@@jmcculloh88 Yes we move with a sense of urgency but I’m talking about what people see on TV and movies and think that’s real.

[@jaxongoodwin5505]

that's a short way of saying because thanks

[@hosedragger-204]

6:24 Perfect example, I'm a probationary volunteer firefighter with 2 months on the department. There's been two calls already where it's been just me and a driver responding to a call in the past couple of months. Tell ya what though. Riding in the officer's seat as a probationary firefighter is a very weird feeling

[@CSAFD]

I’ve been in 16 years, and work 2 DPTS ones a small town the other is county, that actually backs up the city dept. Some days it’s just one or 2 guys in the city. If it’s one guy it’s just him and me during the day, and I go to the station and ride the captain seat and navigate for the driver and watch for traffic for him. The other department I usually go strait to the scene.

[@stevenbowers4164]

I find it interesting the difference between the US and England in fire and rescue, apart from one engine all firefighters in England are either wholetime or paid on call firefighters and mostly in county sized departments with no need to respond to medical calls as there's a separate NHS ambulance service, my county's on call firefighters do a 32 day course at the training facility before they get to ride, the facility is next to the helimed base so though they don't do medical calls they get some training from the helimed trauma doctor as an extra pair of hand especially in moving patients who sometimes have been given an RSI on scene

[@ronthemogul]

2 or 3 guys on a truck is absolutely mind boggling for me to process

[@javorisscott4288]

There’s no way a probie should be sitting in the officers seat. That’s unacceptable. Don’t think this is probie slander or anything, but there’s no way. I’m just a jrff and will be entering the academy this fall but I know that.😂

[@hosedragger-204]

@@javorisscott4288 I wasn't riding in the officers seat as incident command or anything. I was just there to run the horn and sirens, and to let the driver know when we were clear on that side of the truck when pulling out of the station, making turns, or going through intersections since he doesn't have as good of visibility out the passenger side window as the passenger will.

[@alaninnh]

General rule of thumb: (Black Smoke = Hydrocarbons) Something I always remembered from training in my early days on the department concerning fires such as this one is, "If you could snap your fingers and cause the fire to immediately go out, what do you have left?" The message was, to not get overexcited and panicky when you have a fully involved building. There is likely little to save anyway. Protect the exposures, then address the fire. I agree that this fire was handled well, considering the first in minimum manpower. I'm a thirty year veteran and past chief of an on-call rural department in a bedroom community. During the day we depended greatly on mutual aid help from surrounding communities because most of my force was out of town at their jobs.

[@buck2206]

Hey man, if no one has told you, you do a REALLY good job explaining these videos! I'm retired off the job from a city of 4+ million and I appreciate you doing these. I see a lot of Monday morning q-backs as well and I don't understand that but I guess that's just people. There's a difference between constructive criticism and being an ass. Typically, the latter are wannabes, poor performing FFs or just your garden variety asshat. I'm glad you take the time to explain in plain English what's actually occurring on the fireground. Keep it up, brother. I'm sure there are entire depts that watch you constantly! Be safe!

[@hermanvankampen6047]

So it is!

[@robertreed5343]

I’m just appreciative that they showed up!

[@TheRevFireman630]

We would call that supply line lay a forward lay like you said, but we would call a firefighter pulling supply line back to the hydrant "hand jacking" the line, and call a "reverse lay" when an engine would drive past the scene, dropping the supply line at the engine and driving to the hydrant laying out supply line to that hydrant. Just what our terminology was where I worked both as a vollie and a career FF. Nice video, thanks for the work you continually put in to these videos!

[@Dont_buy_lefty_lies]

We use the same terms as you. We use the the reverse lay for low pressure hydrants or if we will be using tanker operations ect.

[@poppiarlin5612]

Down in Jawga, Georgia, we called it hand lay to the hydrant.

[@ffjsb]

This is correct. This is STANDARD terminology throughout the fire service. There's also the "split lay", when two engines lay from an intersection, one to the fire, one to a hydrant, and the supply line is connected at the intersection. Hand laying is used when there's a very short lay to a hydrant and you can start off with the tank, or when you CANNOT lay a line with the engine because you have to go through a fence line, or other obstruction.

[@stuartmacdonald5729]

Some hydrants don't have enough pressure,reverse Lay is necessary!

[@jaytechsystems]

Good video. These are Long Island departments so the crews were likely manned by a percentage of off-duty FDNY firefighters. Yeah there were a few mistakes, but they didn't affect the strategy. This structure was already gone on arrival - the only urgency was containing the fire spread, which they did by hitting the bulk of the fire with a master stream and a 2 1/2. Big fire = big water.

[@ffjsb]

A few????

[@seekay9815]

@@ffjsb yeah, just a few. Definitely wasn't a terrible job by any means. A little rough around the edges but they handled business.

[@ffjsb]

@@seekay9815 If you don't know how to run the pump, (or you're starting to get senile) THAT'S A FUCKING PROBLEM. You can't be "rough around the edges" when you've got guys interior on a line.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

@@ffjsb how didn't he know how to run the pump. Pretty sure I saw water flowing rather quickly...so he didn't release the gun before lowering...guess you were perfect right from your first day in the academy to present or the day you retire. Gotta problem with how they do things, move there and sign up or sit back, watch, and don't be an armchair tough guy behind a keyboard.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

@@ffjsb Not sure if you noticed so I'll point it out for you....there were no interior guys working....and if there was, he wouldn't have been using the cannon....which was where the mistake was made....not at the panel itself. If you also noticed the guy operating the gun wasn't the pump operator anyway, the pump operator was......at the pump....operating the pump.. That said, he did a great job running the pump. The issue with 1 piece of equipment that very well could have been something out of his control...equipment malfunction for example. You were not there. sooo, basically you were wrong with 99% of your comment. You just felt the need to flex your keyboard warrior muscles without watching the entire video, only saw pieces of that situation, didn't comprehend what you actually saw, or D all of the above.

[@jackburgess9482]

When I was a Chief before I retired I always geared up and put on a pack just in case of that oh crap moment. The current Chief does the same thing as well. We are an all volunteer department and sometimes it's all hands on deck until more help arrives.

[@Biffo1262]

My point exactly.

[@DavidMcCoyII]

Isn't the chief just supposed to sit in a nice, air conditioned command vehicle and bark orders? Oh wait, you're talking about the real leaders that lead from the front.

[@homeFall1]

Our chief is one of only 5 guys on the department that would/could attack a fire so his is a working command when he is available to make the tone out. I am always glad when we get more than 2-3 volunteers who are available and turn out for a big tone out like a grass fire or a structure call. Our nearest mutual aid is about 35 minutes away so you get to wear as many hats as you can stand if you want to on a scene here.

[@Madmac96]

I'm a retired cop. I got used to reading comments from people who had no idea what they were talking about, telling the police how we should do our jobs. After I retired, I joined my towns volunteer fire department (I was the oldest guy in my fire academy class.) I never really watched fire videos before that, but I was quite surprised to find the same kind of people commenting on those videos. It's truly amazing how people who've never trained for something, and have zero experience, tend to be the one's who always have something negative to say. I guess it's human nature, and the invention of the internet comment section hasn't helped. You're spot on about the manpower. What people don't seem to understand is, volunteers have other jobs. Daytime during the week is the most difficult time to get a crew together. You literally have to respond with whoever shows up. It takes time to get from wherever you are to the firehouse, put on your gear, drive to the call, then set up to fight the fire. All that being said, I do enjoy your videos, and have learned some things from them. Please keep posting!

[@jays106]

big fire requires big water i think they did a great job and got a quick knock on this one. People don't seem to understand its not a free for all at a fire the response is designed to be and should be methodical if it takes an extra min to get all the necessary equipment in place especially on a fully involved commercial structure so be it. They took the time to get properly set up at the start and a a result got a quick knock down. hats off to this dept

[@ritirons2726]

Our reverse lay is to stop the first arriving engine at the front of the fire building, drop a 200’ bundle of 1 3/4” hose, which is preconnected to a 600’ bed of 3” via a gated wye, as well as the 5” supply line. The engine then proceeds to the hydrant, makes the hook up, and pumps back to the bundle line. The 5” inch is ready to supply the next arriving engine or ladder that gets the front of the building.

[@stang7043]

Our reverse lays are laying from the scene to the hydrant. Usually when there is low water pressure or there are long lays. Engine at the hydrant (boosting pressure) and LDH connected to Engine at the scene. But everything depends on manpower.

[@davehetherington9778]

I am surprised you did not mention the large open discharge dumping water out the rear of the truck. The guy who seemed to be monitoring the pump panel and walking back and fourth to the rear of the truck did not remedy it as well as the other firefighters walking by. As a pump operator/ driver you better know that truck inside and out. Drivers need to know how much water and pressure you are getting from the hydrant. Friction losses for size of hose, water flowing, distance of handlines and gallonage through mater streams with different bore tips.. The gallonage and pressure loss from that water dumping out the back could make all the difference in what you can supply to any of the water streams. and keep your pump from sucking air. Water management is huge at a large fire with only one hydrant taken. If you lost your supply line at least one could try and save your tank water to a handline for safety. As a career Fire Captain I watch some KZbin videos to see how long it takes to get water on to the truck and deploy attack lines. I am also a driver trainer on Pump Trucks, Ladders and Rescue/ Extrication Trucks as well as an Air Brake Instructor. They had their hands full, absolutely but Water Management and Master Streams or Big Water was needed so every gallon and PSI counts. I am sure some learning points were had on this call. Thanks for putting out your videos we are always learning and getting better at what we do.

[@AeroVisionNY]

Thanks for the great commentary (and nice job to the got who shot the video). Ronkonkama is on Long Island, about 45 minutes east of NYC. The area is largely suburban, with many residents commuting into the city for work. It's a volunteer company. The tower ladder that arrives at the end of the video is from the neighboring town of Farmingville. These small companies rely heavily on mutual aid.

[@davidcunningham4978]

Crazy how you helped me get a job in a city I live in now and review a fire from my hometown that I grew up in years ago. Literally have been down that street thousands of times.

[@Sonic-sh2vh]

Yeah , I saw the original video and I only watched the first minute or so because it didn't look like it was gonna end well , and there were lots of negative comments. I don't like watching people screw up. But... now that Ive watched the whole thing its really not so bad. They stumbled a little bit, but in the end they got it together and knocked it down pretty good. I'm in NYC, Ronkonkoma is Long Island suburb of NYC, like most departments on Long Island they are all volunteer.

[@keanuchungusmode9453]

Id say this was a good take on the tactics here. Guys could have moved with a bit more haste and the operator of the deck gun *appears* to need a deck gun review. In a few minutes, they did knock about 50% of the fire. I did want to mention points that werent touched on: exposures and unturned area. I cannot see what's on the Charlie or bravo side but i noticed thick black smoke from the rear after the front was knocked good. Appeared to vent limited and hot. Unknown if 360 was conducted to discover any exposures on the rear and if so protecting those and unburned areas of the shop to save something. Because most of it is a complete loss

[@rollzout3]

Hey so this is one of my neighboring departments. So the shop that went up had a lot of tires in which is why their was so much black smoke. This department ronkonkoma goes to work about 2-3 times a year plus a lot of mutual aid. but run about 4 to 5,000 calls a year. They definitely aren’t rural but I loved the video commentary and the extra knowledge. Keep up the great work👍🏻

[@57yearf.f.5]

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Of course Ive only done this for 58 years.

[@rbspider]

House in back of me had a fire in the attic, day after Christmas. Ladder truck was first on scene. Three FF on truck , after asking owner about access , the male and female FF ran in with house, third FF charged line , second truck stopped at hydrant and laid a five inch hose to feed both truck. They got a second line in the house. They put fire out before it broke through. Owners are out ten months minimum. Water damage to both floors all rooms took water. Awesome fire fighting

[@Eddiecurrent2000]

I remember watching the original and was amazed at how effective both the deck gun and the 2.5 was in knocking down what looked like a proper nasty fire. I noted some of the comments about not being in a rush, but why rush? The building is a total loss, nothing is in the vicinity that is in danger so why risk the FFs? Anyway good analysis, I'm always interested in firefighting tactics.

[@warrenjohnknight.9831]

From my layperson perspective the first engine and crew have actually been extremely well indeed so, plus their water supply was very good, one of the best I have seen. 👍👍.

[@Jessem436]

Got my first real fire a few weeks ago, learned I have to work out more. My muscles were beat by the end, so I'm going to check out that workout thing you advertised a while back. We were nearly first engine but got water on the fire first, other truck fed ours. UPDATE: Since my post went up, I have gotten firefighter furnace and the app that they offer with the membership. I can confidently say it is worth the money.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

HAHA! We all know the feeling. It's not just needing to work out more. It's that first time sudden rush of adrenaline, excitement, nervousness, and fear all at once and all of it stresses your entire body. I remember my first. It was a 2.5/1 story (2.5 in the front 1 in the back, kind of a backwards mullet). Anyway officer told dispatch that we were responding with 2 pack guys.... looked around, oh crap I'm 1 of the 1. I went to jump from the seat and forgot to release my pack so I was hanging there by the seat. To make how nervous I was worse the first time I'm actually going to work, it's with a career truck Capt. Yay. He tells me as we're walking up the street to save my air. Ok I unclick. We go up the back and I'm breathing heavy, every muscle in my body is tight and......he starts climbing a ladder. Wtf, I joined an engine company because I'm terrified of heights. Eh but it's only 1 story. I start masking up before climbing the ladder....bro save your air. We get to the ridge, 1 story in the back 2.5 in the front now looking probably 4 stories down to the road down a stick to the roof. As he's cutting I'm holding on to his jacket, but like a bear hug. All this was a very long way of saying when I ripped open the roof I got a huge lung full of smoke and my entire body was sore from the whole thing...(one hell of a sore throat for days)... sorry I wrote a novel.

[@ragdoll2910]

Hi! I am a new firefighter in a volunteer department in NY. We are a small island department with unique challenges. I absolutely love your channel and have been finding it super helpful. Thank you!!!

[@stevemockoviak8384]

Pronounced ron-conk-e-mah. Always look forward to your videos, and you are so correct about the Monday morning quarterbacks! There is a lot more going through your mind when you are facing a large scale fire like this, and that pin can be overlooked very easily.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

It's funny you wrote it how it's pronounced because I'm seeing it on their truck and jackets and hear it being said here, thinking hm, don't know any where that sounds like that (lived in NJ until 2 years ago). As soon as I saw your comment, I couldn't believe I didn't put it together. LOL As far as the Monday morning qbs, what all of them don't understand is that they were not there. They don't know the situation. For all we know it could have been an equipment issue like (if crank style) the gear wheel could have been stuck. Every one needs to remember, no one was perfect the first day in the academy and no one was perfect......until their last day. There's always more learning to be done.

[@WNYfireandrescue]

Good job explaining this really helps me practice

[@Truecrimeisfascinating]

I could watch these videos all day

[@jebcommon2332]

A deck gun master stream would have been perfect for this situation.

[@ralts6464]

Its nice to see a bigger city like farmville sending its resources to help this smaller town.

[@thisissparta789789]

There’s another series of videos of the same fire that shows just how long it took for them to arrive. The siren blew twice on video (and probably three times in total) before a fire engine arrived. This is the reality for much of the volunteer fire service in the middle of the day, especially around 1 PM to about 3 PM when all the evening shift workers are going to work and the day shift guys are still at work.

[@mattfecho5011]

With volunteer departments there are times you roll with every seat filled, and times were it’s only 1 person(of course you would call mutual aid) but it’s not uncommmon to have 3 people between a first due engine and tanker some times especially mid day like this

[@naterobinson5141]

I love it when I hear the cameraman thank the firefighters for their service; learning the strategies used to fight a film like this can go a long way to appreciate what firefighters do when most of us aren't risking what they are.

[@notaverb]

I was thinking about the same thing with the Chief. I can’t recall ever seeing one wearing a bottle on the firegrounds. They did a great job getting a knock on that one

[@michaelmixon2479]

I imagine that every fire is a learning experience and that there is an after action meeting at some point to discuss any problems and any potential new ideas.

[@SledgeHammer43]

As he is Hazmat Fire, any Mechanic Garage is a Hazzardous Material Responce without question.

[@tripfall224]

very nice job. Excellent. I was a volunteer in Mineola. Not to far from Ronkonkoma. An older volunteer years ago said they had to roll the pumper with only two guys. Thank you for pointing out the manpower issue. Its very unsafe sometimes during the day. No one knows how long when first due truck comes along or mutual aid for that matter!!! Great critique!! Also great great job getting the firemans back on that stang gun on the pumper. Absolutely I was thinking he was nervous too. Ive made plenty of mistakes.

[@fyrdoc]

What I would take from this video, is that this department may not see large fire like this. Of course there will be nerves, BUT like the commentary said, the operator will not forget what happened and I would bet that every time he teaches or shows someone else the first thing will be what he did wrong. As for the chief packing up, happens all the time here where I am at in SW Pennsylvania. I personally would not be running around for this fire, its already gone. Big fire = Big water. Master stream and 2.5in operation, will knock a large bulk of fire down as you saw in the video. As a pump operator I always leave my tank fill cracked, that way I know the tank is always full.

[@donaldbaker8899]

The MPO was not the guy on the deck pipe, it was the older gentleman with jacket and hat

[@ArchTeryx00]

One thing I've noticed is that when you have a building that's essentially a total loss, with no exposures, when you pull up, it's a) both an excellent opportunity to give your probies some experience, and b) the basic priorities of protect your crew --> protect the public --> protect property comes into play. This wasn't like the Tulsa fire where you still had a building that could be saved. Rather than Monday Morning Quarterbacking, I see these videos as a learning experience. (Have firefighters in my family and doing research for a short story featuring them). That being said, I'm betting whoever was on that master stream is going to be finding deck gun safety pins in their locker for a LONG time after this. ^.^

[@fdMT_EnGy]

HAHAHA! Oh I'm sure he did. LOL We had a guy on a narrow unlit road trying to back up (for whatever reason). Somehow he put the mirror to a utility pole and ripped it off. At our department dinner....they gave it to him on a plaque. LOL

[@pyroman6000]

We had a Golden Cup award (think jockstrap sort of cup) at our annual awards banquet for occasions like that. Our one past chief was positively fiendish when it came to putting them together, lol. I believe the name came from an incident when a rookie fell thru a floor- and straddled the joist... Back in the day of 3/4 boots, rather than bunker pants- so even less padding!

[@dancingkitty11]

I know this town. It is on Long Island. The fire was near my old home. I lived there for 17 years. It is a volunteer department. The township has a mutual aid plan so multiple departments respond to structure fires automatically for manpower and time reasons. The ladder came from the neighboring FD Farmingville about 15 minutes away and a differrent department. The day time fires are hardest in our area. Most people work during the day. The department answers about 3000 calls a year. This not a rural area though we get many brush fires. It is a suburb of NYC.

[@ChiraqVet]

Decent work. Jus wondering why the rear discharge was running.

[@HUBABUBA-il8fn]

More than likely accidently opened it and then never fully closed it.

[@johnwashburn7423]

I live near Ronkonkoma. That is a good fire department. I do wonder why there was no water applied quicker, if from a tank. I agree with your comment. A firefighter who runs and injures himself is a out-of-service firefighter. Walk briskly but don't run. Water was applied at about 8 minutes in to the video. This fire had a head start, whether the department is paid or volunteer, may make a difference on first water but this seems a bit slow to me. Speaking of mistakes, it is important to NOT differentiate between paid and volunteer fire departments. In Olympia, WA, as a spectator, I watched the first engine to a cabinet shop (highly flammable) charge the 6" line BEFORE it was detached from the hose bed...first engine out of commission; cost the department 3 minutes or more to get the next engine set up. In Spokane Valley, WA the supply line to the first engine on a working fire was not secure and disconnected itself from the first engine. All mistakes are a learning opportunity. I enjoyed your video. You know tactics. P.S. Pronunciation is "Ron-con-coma." :-) Don't feel bad. when I first moved here my wife had to correct me.

[@quirkybeachbum]

The observation’s I’ve made of this is you’re right, small crew o/a, got to work pretty well. I’m wondering why the hydrant hose isn’t getting pre-filled once the pump has come to a halt, once connected to the inlet, the hydrant guy, just has to turn it on full and the pumps got water almost instantly, they’re then free to help elsewhere? This point flows onto the first attack line, looks like the ff has laid it out, laid the nozzle on the ground, returned to the truck, and fully opened the outlet, quite a kick for the hose, chance of bursting it, or knocking the uncontrolled nozzle on… I’d have taken a moment to fill the hose, slow the pressure just before it hits the nozzle, then open it fully, preventing that water hammer. The other observation I’ve noticed in a lot of the videos is laying the hose out straight, or in a big loop. I’ve always flaked the attack hose in zig zags, makes it far easier to advance, especially if you’re short handed. I’ve learned over a 36 year career as a fire fighter, rescue operator and intensive care Paramedic, it’s far quicker to be methodical than rush.. The pin? Surely it forms part of a daily/weekly check, to make sure it comes out easily! That’s ff 101 basic’s I’d have thought.. No he’ll never repeat it, he may never have another chance too.

[@bman6502]

Anytime using the water gun, it’s best to use the Mississippi 2 step with a slide cross… that’s what I teach my young fighters…

[@jasonk4855]

Nice video. Much more useful than the typical bashing video you see from a lot of other people. I'd like to commend the cameraman also. Very respectful and grateful to the fire fighters. Nice to see for a change.

[@TinyScorpion44]

I work in a similar size shop to this and even keeping things nice and tidy, the reality of auto repair means there is a ton of really nasty flammable stuff and if it goes up, it's probably gonna go pretty hard and fast. You can have plenty of fire extinguishers but if it goes, there's no real saving it. Really your best hope is just pushing out whatever is on fire if you can

[@joefriday1586]

What you do at a scene depends on 2 things; your training and your experience. If your actions are not automatic then you need to spend more time doing the things that you need to become more self directed and competent at your task!

[@DOC-Jake-]

BIG FIRE LOAD 4 sure ! Good job w h20 & deck gun set up for a ladder maybe move Engine up upon arrival get 3 sides. 👍 nice work.

[@wyattjohnson5898]

I’m a former Firefighter out of Rhea County Tennessee. Now reside in Indiana. Applying at a local department who is all volunteer. There is a huge Miller’s chicken mill right next door and the department hasn’t got a quint or a tower. Plus the proximity to the railroad is close enough that if a derailment happened and some volatile chemicals burned and a BLEVE could happen then the chances of the apparatus being obtained is slim to zero. Hence it’s a five year plan to relocate the department to a better location

[@wooly4569]

I'm actually from this area and almost every department around me is volunteer about 80% of it is, some of our departments have paid crews but it isn't guaranteed you get one. I will say around here everyone is very dedicated even as a volunteer. I'm currently trying to get into a department by the name of Hagerman hopefully all goes.

[@pickuptruckz]

I can highly appreciate how you put yourself in their shoes and explained everything they, I’m definitely subscribed after this, GOOD CONTENT

[@Rickster2791]

As a former vollie back before filming fires was a thing, everyone should be able to pick up tips on what to do and not do when on scene. It's not a bad thing to critique a fire but do so in a positive way. Stay safe everyone!

[@medic12961]

Its nice to see a chief packed and ready to go our chief did the same thing we are a volunteer department in my hometown the chief and I lived just minutes away from the station so we were the first ones at the station and pretty much the first out the door when people saw our chief pulling hose off the engine or working the line fighting the fire they would say what are you doing you are the chief his reply was always yup but I'm a firefighter first before I was the chief

[@poppiarlin5612]

However if the Chief on the scene is the IC he does not need to be doing that. The IC should NEVER be involved with anything other than fire ground operations. If things go south he will discover this through the court system, civil and possibly criminal.

[@ffjsb]

@@poppiarlin5612 No, he's not going to court for wearing SCBA. That's not to say that he absolutely should NOT be wearing it as the IC. He just wants to look salty...

[@thisissparta789789]

@@poppiarlin5612 I highly doubt that chief was IC, or if he was, he passed command upon the arrival of a higher-ranked chief. Here, if you’re a chief and you’re not IC or Operations (due to mutual aid we can regularly get about 4-6 chiefs for fires from us and mutual aid), 9 times out of 10, you’re getting packed up and joining the crews inside/outside, because otherwise, you’re sitting around and doing nothing.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

@@ffjsb or idk all that crap burning inside putting out that delicious looking smoke....wind shifts towards where IC is and now he's getting a lung full. Unless IC post is set up a good distance from the scene, everyone should have a pack on, not clicked in until needed but on...including the chauffeur. Our engine had a pack per seat and another in a compartment next to the pump panel for the chauffeur. Not sure if you know anything about PEOSHA but they are kind of a pia when it comes to fire scene safety especially involving volunteer departments. But yeah judge him, based on your other comments and how you talk about everyone at this scene you're the best thing that ever happened to the fire service, just ask yourself.

[@ffjsb]

@@fdMT_EnGy EVERYONE should have a pack on... SMH. What imaginary world are you living in...

[@johnberry8180]

We are a rural combination department. 4 " full time " guys and 26 " paid on call ". We use deck guns a lot of barn fires. You only forget the drop pin once. " Risk a lot to save a lot " and " Risk a little to save a little " comes in to play here. We could all hear small explosions. Deck gun and 2.5 from a distance was a good way to start in my opinion. The building is already a substantial loss by the time they roll up. Personally I would have made exposure protection priority 1 then main fire priority 2.

[@WodanMorning]

I live in a rural area and a Vol Firefighter. There have been times that I am the only responder during the day. I have 3 Departments that respond to my area to assist. I have 1 paid dept that is 10 min away and the other 2 are Vol. We have had times that there are only 6-10 people total to fight a fire like this.

[@seanregan1762]

Just a quick question, why is the rear discharge open and water flowing to the ground? Wouldn't it help to keep water pressure up , seeing they are using two large diameter attack platforms ?

[@hihfty]

Its not supposed to be open and you are correct in your statement. Volume and pressure from the hydrant is being wasted.

[@ffjsb]

This is what happens when your pump operator is getting senile...

[@stephenhanneken3041]

Sometimes the seals leak

[@shawndubay4050]

Very good job at knocking down that fire. Great team work. Don't let anyone get you down. You are trained professionals and fire stomping warriors. I thank each and every firefighter, paramedic and police officer for your service to your community, bravery when it's gets real skill at saving/ protecting lives and saving/protecting property. I know it's not easy. You deal with alot but keep your head up you got this. Keep up the good fight. Don't forget to have some fun and family time when you're not lights and sirens.

[@BoHolbo]

From 11:20 and onward, we can see that there is a LOT of water gushing out onto the road, from one of the big hose fittings on the back of the fire engine. What on earth is up with that? Is it a fault condition, or could it be a way to mitigate the risk of damage caused by water hammer from the water main?

[@albertaoutlaw3597]

Mike alot of folks don't realize that these videos are excellent teaching tools, whether it be city, town, or wildland.

[@CDFCaptain93]

You can tell from these videos who trains for LDH attack and who does not. This department had the right tactics in mind. But they need to clean it up just a bit. I had a similar fire and there were only two of us on the engine. I told the firefighter to open the hydrant as soon as he saw me clamping the LDH. He didn't have to wait for me to make the hook up to the pump. That saved time. We laid just over four hundred feet. By the time he made it back to the engine, I had already completed the hook up. Since we trained on this scenario many times, he expertly operated the deck gun. From the time we stopped at the hydrant to the time we were flowing from the deck gun, I estimated it was right about three minutes. While the fire fighter was knocking down the bulk fire with the deck gun, I was pulling attack lines to protect the exposures. Because we had trained on LDH attacks often, everything went smoothly and efficiently. It does not matter if you are from a career, volunteer, or a combination department. Training is always the great equalizer. It exposes weaknesses and strengths in firefighters, tactics, and equipment BEFORE you have a major incident like this.

[@donb1825]

Long Island NY. Ronkonkom Fire Dept. I’m in the surrounding area also responding to them as a mutual aid. We’re all vollies here. Great response given the circumstances.

[@shenandoahmike3915]

Worked in a career dept where our engines had a blitz 21/2 with a deck gun preconnected off back step for just such situations, they worked great especially if you have reduced manning. One guy with a 150 foot 2 1/2 and a gun can do wonders on a hot one like this.

[@suzylarry1]

walk a mile in the fire fighters boots and then comment . Can't save what is already burned beyond salvage , so take time and be safe , we are no good at a seen if we are injured before we accomplish the mission.

[@skettitacos1353]

Holy cow, that thing was rolling. These guys look like they did a good job, all things considered. And yes, it was really cool to see a chief with a pack on lol.

[@ffjsb]

A Chief who is the incident command officer should NEVER have a pack on. EVER.

[@2009dudeman]

@@ffjsb I guess the wind will know where the chief is and not blow in his direction. He should also be a quarter mile away having brunch too. Enjoy your lung cancer at 40. I can say that today is the first day I've ever seen someone saying that firefighters shouldn't wear PPE... What a joke.

[@ffjsb]

@@2009dudeman You know that most Chiefs have legs right??? Anyone with a white helmet on should be smart enough to not stand in the smoke. By your logic, all pump operators should be on air with full turnout gear too... Logic is not very strong with you Son. And I'm long past 40 with no lung cancer, because I use SCBA when I need to.

[@MrSamson4]

perfect break down of the fire. This was very helpful. Thank you

[@joshuadoll9000]

As a small town firefighter for 4 years, I've had 2 separate calls where I've been the only person to show up. Luckily we ended up being cancelled both times. Also I've been on a call for a house fire where we did a forward lay and a reverse lay for the same engine. We did a forward lay on a hydrant about a block away from the fire but the hydrant failed. Then we had to disconnect and drag the supply all the way back to the truck and then down another block the opposite direction to the other hydrant. Thought that was kind of interesting, how often can you say you did a forward lay and a reverse lay at the same time.

[@themonti72]

They are volunteers....this was back in my home town....historical building.. was there 100 years... always was a garage..

[@jelracer98]

I'm a 44 yr vet. of the fire service and a instructor and i tech a reverse lay is where the first in eng , stops at the fire and drops all equipment needed and then laying the supply line from the fire to the hydrant

[@hihfty]

A reverse lay in New England is laying a feeder at the attack pumper and then driving to the hydrant to pump the feeder.

[@jelracer98]

@@hihfty that is what we do here in Indiana drive from the fire scene to the hydrant to pump back to the attack lines in which we use a reducer sorry if i misunderstood you your videos are great don't want to make you mad

[@tojamiko]

Hi Mike! Thanks for your great work! I'm a voulountary fire fighter from Poland. We just had a personal breathing protection training and we also got tought to use masks when putting fire for a distance (to get safe with breathing smoke and fumes) but the one we are supposed to use are an ordinary ffp personal face masks. I'm thinking to get a proper m3 full face or even a half face painters mask with universal filter. Question is, what do you guys use when you are not in direct contact with the fire? is it already a full air apparatus, or you use something instead not to waste air from the MSA (I don't know english word for the whole breathing system, sorry). Thanks! I really enjoy watching your stuff. We don't get too much knowledge like this in here. Good luck!

[@mike_pertz]

Hi Mikolaj- as far as I know we don’t use any ordinary face masks. We usually just use our SCBA if we know we’ll be in contact with smoke/fumes

[@FFIcePick]

Solid vid, only thing I didnt like… there is a PASS device going off almost the whole video, people lose sensitivity to that very important tool we have and thats when we get problems

[@captaincodebook3200]

Glad to see someone use a deck gun. It is the most underused and under appreciated methods of fire attack. And I am glad no Dunkin was hurt in this incident...our brothers in blue would be sad.

[@joshbertram7006]

I was hoping they were gonna use the master stream. With that amount of fire and the shortage of manpower in the beginning, that thing is able to put a quick knock on it and make it safer for the crews advancing the handlines. Great job!

[@tombakabones274]

12:25 the driver is the guy in the dark jacket blue jeans baseball cap that keeps pacing back and forth down the driver side of the fire engine he's the guy who actually controls the pumps and the valves and all that stuff on the engine while the guy other guys are fighting the fire in my dad's department you actually had to be certified to do that job and it was considered a rank just under lieutenant

[@bradbulen2513]

I love you page , you are doing a great job for the brotherhood.I guess I am old school a reverse lay (to me) was back when you dropped your spaghetti (2- 150 foot lenghts of 1 1/2" with a 2x1 1/2" gated wye connected to 2 1/2 " supply that you drove back to the plug and connected the engine to the plug. but I am old I know things have changed

[@Irongiantman007]

Those chirps always give me chills now

[@birther1968]

40 years ago we had a hose clamp but it was for a 3. Inch line. I never see one used for a 5 inch

[@WNYfireandrescue]

Plz keep doing this

[@brylythhighlights4335]

One of the things I always find terrifying about fires is how they dump *more* smoke as you put them out.

[@Morpheen999]

Love to see someone lead from the front lines! Way to be ready chief!!

[@wesrobinson7366]

I invite all the haters to join our team for a training, then you will see how a volunteer organization works. Every fire there could be some thing better but they handled it well with out getting flustered. We train with these guys at the academy and they are always top notch.

[@lisacripps]

Long Island is a densely populated place. Especially in Nassau county. There are 179 fire departments on Long Island and all but two are wholly volunteer. They receive very little compensation in the form of some tax breaks and health insurance. All in all, they do a fabulous job.

[@dennisa.brinck5988]

A reverse lay, is when you go from the fire ground to the hydrant.....the male ends of the hose, pointing away from the fire. What you described, manually laying a supply line, is still a forward lay....male ends pointing to the fire ground.

[@dixie002]

Thanks for your wise commentary

[@cmcer1995]

I thought they did well. There was no chance of saving this structure so just need to make sure it didn't spread. I like the idea of forward laying, just makes since due to the fact you are already driving by it why not get it laid out as you pull forward, save time and steps.

[@Thestudiedtheist]

We usually did forward supply line lays. It was up to the engineer [pump operator]. On a fire we had our co yelling commands, traffic, bystanders yelling, sirens, and our physiological responses like fast heartbeat and heavy breathing due to adrenaline. We were big on perimeter control, to avoid spread but we were more rural, so ground and tree spread was a threat. We always had scba on before we arrived, no matter what we were told was the issue. I got along with law enforcementmost times but one cop got in my face and told me to move my engine, he got set straight by me and my co finished him off. He apologized later. FF are in more command at scene than a cop. Overall good knock down and scene safety

[@Biffo1262]

My only negative comment is regarding the two officers already on scene. At the end of the day we are ALL operational firefighters and though they do have supervisory responsibilities they should have assisted that crew setting up. They could see it was only a four man crew but did nothing to assist. The Incident Commander in this case should already have done his 360 so could be helping the appliance OIC in setting up whilst giving his take on the incident. Their inactivity doesn't sit well with me.

[@bswalzz]

Fire fighter student here, why is the engine "leaking" a lot of water from the back? Thanks in advance!

[@WhySoSeriousGM]

Mechanic shops almost always have a compressor for their air tools and that compressor build more pressure as it gets hotter and when that thing pops it could easily kill someone so you can’t get too close

[@spannaspinna]

They all have a relief valve so they don’t explode

[@CSAFD]

I work 2 departments, one small town (hydrant supply) the other is in the county, with limited hydrants. City fd does the standard forward supply lay, the co does the opposite.

[@tombakabones274]

Being from upstate New York and having grown up in the Rombout volunteer fire department they do get wildfires AKA brush fires in New York but most of the time especially in the area I grew up in they were confined to the small patches of wooded area surrounded by subdivisions and neighborhoods that could mostly be found on the sides of hills where it was unfeasible to actually build houses

[@hermanvankampen6047]

Nice video. I have no problem with the tempo of the firefighters in the video. They battle the fire in a right tempo .Everyone should think that extinguish the fire needs more time and running will not help in this case. I am Dutch so do not "scream"to me if my english is not good..

[@Maizefire]

There is a video that's going around it's been going around for years where a CHP officer arrested a firefighter for not moving his engine the firefighter was still providing protection for his crew and CHP wanted him to move the rig he told him no not until his crew is out of the way and his CHP officer put him in handcuffs and in the backseat of the car.

[@poppajoebeneckesr7573]

If I remember correctly the CHP got dinged by his bosses for his action. Not sure if it was vacation time lost or no pay suspension.

[@Maizefire]

@@poppajoebeneckesr7573 that I did not hear about but apparently this wasn't his first time having this run in with this department and apparently it's not the first time that officers from that office did the same thing

[@poppajoebeneckesr7573]

@@Maizefire I wish I could remember where I read the article, I know it wasn't too long after the incident.

[@rainbowzebraunicornpegasus2962]

Some of us in rural areas don't even have hydrants to hook up to. We have to bring the water too. Gotta have a driver for the tanker truck. These brave men and women aren't just sitting at the station waiting for a call! They are at work. They are on a picnic with their families. They are at home in the shower or asleep. They are volunteers who have lives other than firefighting. They have to drop what they are doing in a SAFE manner and get in their vehicles and drive to the station around idiots who won't get out of the way (or who try to brake check them and drive even slower to teach the firefighter a lesson on speed limits because they are too stupid to get the heads outta their arses)!!! Then once on the scene, there are "swimming pools" deployed where the water is dumped for use while the tanker tries to go find more water to load from a creek or river. That takes time that takes manpower. Quit spouting off on crap. Shut your pie holes and get out there and help next time! My respect to all EMS (including the Grantsville, MD personnel a few years back who shoveled feet of snow out our long driveway after a very bad storm and then carried my daughter out in a Stokes to the awaiting ambulance. From the hospital, she was airlifted to a Children's Hospital four hours away. You all helped save her life!)!

[@PatrickHauser112503636]

Hi i like your videos they are greate. Here in Germany we have 3 Main types of fire trucks with different "Manpower" on them. The "smallest" are 3 firefighters (1 AO and 2 Jumpguys which we call attack crew), the second type is a 6 firefighter truck 1 AO 1 officer 2 attack crew and 2 backup crew which are responseble to secure water supply and be there to jump in in case of an emergency or to be rotatet in, the 3rd type has 8 firefighters on 1 AO 1 officer 2 attack crew 2 backup crew 2 for water supply and outside attack and 1 for communicating between other engines and/or dispatch and other tasks on scene. Usual the attack crew and the backup crew is wearing packs the others only wear packs if they have to rotate in.

[@ohjumpa]

I'm just wondering about the education of firefighters in the USA. Here in Germany we have to study for 1-2 years, higher ranks (for example chiefs) up to 3 years. How long does it take to become a firefighter in the US?

[@antoniomaldonado8737]

Can you do a fire breakdown on Stockton fire department they have very good videos

[@mike_pertz]

Sure! I have seen a couple and they do great work!

[@rayarsenault4774]

I know I'm late to the party, but a "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" keyring on the pin could be a great reminder.