First Drive In ZF 8hp Auto Swapped Turbo BMW E36 | Build Rundown & Impressions...Is the Future Auto?

[@shotty.]

props to you & the steezman, this is absolutely what we want out of 'ride along' style videos. Not only is his breakdown simple & easy to follow, also learning along side you how this car works, but 8hp mated to anything older than 2015 is just so cool to see. More content like this!

[@shotty.]

definitely need to see an m60b44 8hp build, they would pair so nicely and be incredible for daily drives as well as backroad blasts.

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@shotty. thank you dude!!! Much appreciate the feedback!!! Glad you enjoyed! M60b44 auto would be sweet

[@sLothiC]

ProTipp: Get an Maxxecu ECU and you dont have to buy a turbolamik ;] so its even way cheaper if you need a ECU anyway

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Except it doesn’t have clutch control capabilities like turbolamik, so for drifting that is a problem

[@sLothiC]

@@m3nameisjosh464 fakenews ! it has clutch feature since a month

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@ that is news to us then!

[@DeviMauz]

@@m3nameisjosh464 doesnt work, stay with lamik

[@turbowankel1264]

It doesn't have linear clutch control or the level of control the lamik offers. It is merely a switch to binary clutch enagement/disengagment ​

[@8HPSolutions]

Welcome to the 8hp e36 club! I went with turbolamik because I wanted to stick with the stock ms41 dme. It is a blast to drive and encourage anyone to consider it. With that said, MaxxECU is great for a full integrated build. It is possible to run the bmw MS43 DME with DBW on a single vanos engine and run the CANTCU for OEM level of smoothness, similar to Sipa's Garage. I am planning on 8HP swapping an e60 N52 for the heck of it this winter.

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Awesome info!!

[@tommobot]

Have you got any more information regarding the M52 + 8HP setup?.. I've converted a defender with a M57+8HP with CanTCU, but have an old M52 engine that I'd love to put in something with a 8HP behind...

[@TheJabroniJoe]

Having that ZF8 transmission in my M235i has been a blast when it comes to daily driving; it fully saves you from that leg workout. I swear by this transmission, though. It's lightning-fast and incredibly rugged. Great video as always, Josh!

[@elihanson2652]

I agree I love my 235 one of the most fun cars to drive

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Ive always enjoyed driving my friends M235i, didn't realize till recently its an 8hp!

[@kizashikaze9066]

First time in my *life* that I wanted an automatic...this is pretty fire, might have to look into it with my E46

[@m3nameisjosh464]

SAME here dude. Didn't think it was possible!

[@maxgr7723]

@@kizashikaze9066 the e46 integration is even more kinda sweet as there are several possibilities for the controller and really pnp options on hardware side of things...look up the bimmerforums

[@Budward0]

In the middle of a 8hp build on my turbo M52B28 super excited to see the end product.

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Awesome!!! Good luck!

[@maxgr7723]

Honestly i still think, the 840ci with a cantcu and oem shifter + steering wheel paddles would have changed your view on the car soo so much

[@m3nameisjosh464]

You might be right!

[@viperocco]

Dudes, I know little to nothiing about drift setups so this was really cool. Thanks!

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@viperocco thanks for watching!

[@thiercastro8243]

I just swapped into my 330ci a GS6-37BZ but after watching this, i am considering an 8HP :)

[@mikesphoenix_e46m3]

What a incredible transmission its like best of both worlds thanks for this amazing contents josh

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Absolutely !!

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

This is one Beautiful e36. Well done on the bodywork (and 8hp swap)

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@starfox_wr-45e93 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@kayomagalhaes3988]

great vid, now waiting for that 8hp e34 hehe, the calypso is gonna love it

[@m3nameisjosh464]

It really would, and so would my left leg

[@msengineeringdavid3148]

DCT are not rougher it's all tuning for smoothness.

[@maxgr7723]

Finally! But honestly maxxecu and cantcu are the way to go if you're not going dragracing or drifting

[@m3nameisjosh464]

I can understand a full integration setup, but with his drifting a great tune on stock ecu it would be pointless to switch

[@maxgr7723]

@m3nameisjosh464 I know, I bought a turbolamik setup with m60b40 adapter plate years ago myself(when cantcu wasn't an option and maxxecu not even close)...it's remarkable what the lamik Brothers achieved!

[@b11a11d11]

Nice clip in 19:18 when the bmw e39 flash to you ; that’s why I like bmw guys ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@ooskah]

looks like an e90 actually

[@ooskah]

hell i might be wrong too, looks like an f30 lmao

[@salami_tom]

@@ooskah def an f30 lol

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Haha yeah it was an F30 I believe., Still warmed my heart!

[@mohis5664]

Josh we need to see a 8HP swap on one of your cars 🤣

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Which build??🤔🤔🤔

[@mohis5664]

E34 of course 😂

[@e34boat88]

8hp on m5😮

[@MaWe1997]

On the turbo e34

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@e34boat88 on M5 woahhh

[@recebennett9869]

Such a cool and unique video

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Thank you Rece!!!

[@dokrutenydavid4679]

19:15 this was simply nice

[@bosroamer]

What a freaking good setup, must be awesome to floor this once you get the hang of it!

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Without a doubt! I was still getting familiar haha

[@faraimulenga409]

Maxxecu for the win 🇿🇲🤝

[@turbowankel1264]

Depends on your needs

[@turbowankel1264]

8hp the world. We've done a Jzx100 and an e36 m3 now

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Right on!!!

[@dcs-motorsport]

Excellent video, pretty made up my mind swapping my manual 335i for an 8HP

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Kind of a no brainer!

[@mike.bevels]

Love the ZF 8HP in my F31. They are great transmissions.

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Most definitely!!

[@LateNightRituals]

This is wild. Like damn i cant even hate on automatics now ? As a mechanical engr this is soooo gas

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Tell me about it dude!!! I been a hater for ever

[@anaqi_hakimi]

Yoooo this is cool!!!

[@matthewnicholas6365]

Ive got a dct 7 speed m4 and jumped into a g87 m2 for a while. That 8th cog at motorway speed really upped the mpg.

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Definitely!

[@kamata93]

Sreten from M539 needs to see this for awareness

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@kamata93 yes he does!

[@qers]

He's already announced an 8HP swap for his Alpina E39 Touring.

[@TMgarage540]

I would like to see 8hp in e32 or like 1000hp e36, but for 500ish hp manual is more fun imo. Super cool build though, love the bimmer science haha

[@matspyt6031]

I have an e32 m30 turbo that i am going to dct swap soon. I have all the parts just have to tune it manual first

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Idk if any power level specifically dictates the need for auto or manual. These 500hp cars are sometimes annoying to shift, even my e34 zf kind of sucks sometimes lol

[@shotty.]

I agree with Josh here, however an 8hp e32 with the m60 or even m70 would be bonkers. Can't imagine how the v12 mates to an auto trans that is actually capable

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@shotty. truth! The v12s are drawn back by awful transmission

[@renas5371]

I have an E46 with a zf 5 speed manual and an F31 with 8hp and I absolutely love the 8hp, even in stock form the shifts are lightning fast and with XHP tune it’s even better, it kicks like a DCT in sport mode but is buttery smooth in drive, it’s the best of both worlds. I was always a manual advocate but after having one of these it’s too good not to love, but no matter how good it may be the manual still has its place and will always be the most engaging to drive. For daily driver and something with big power this is the best transmission you can get, for a weekend toy I think I would still go with a manual.

[@m3nameisjosh464]

I could not agree with you more!! My exact thoughts. I would still want a true manual car, but this makes any daily or powerful car seem a lot better!

[@clayp.e30_v86]

Ive honestly been looking into 8hp swapping my m60b44 e30 for a while but i do love manual 🤔 With plans to get a supercharger kit this year for it, i might end up going 8hp. But id need to keep a funtional clutch for the ability to kick it when i want

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Definitely a possibility with turbolamik

[@YDK-96r]

seems like a really good daily drifter

[@m3nameisjosh464]

definitely ;)

[@JK-dl5nt]

Exactly the swap I need for a fun daily..

[@m3nameisjosh464]

couldn't agree more!

[@Wes_021]

Quick question, I need some advice: If I’m running a stock ECU with an ECUMaster DET3 piggyback, how do I get the ECU to work with the TCU? I understand the current ECU gives off analog signals, but what’s the role of the MAP sensor in this setup?

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Map sensor tells the trans what the engine is doing, ie, idling, full throttle, etc, based off vacuum. Stock ecu doesn’t communicate to the 8hp at all. The turbolamik tcu does everything

[@irwinada2]

W video Josh

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Thank you sir!!

[@123billymichaels]

That looks just like an area I used to love to drive at in illinois right off of lagrange road

[@m3nameisjosh464]

You would be correct on the area ;)

[@TechTokOffical]

What about the drive shaft? Was there anything special done with that? Might have been addressed, but I'm commenting while I'm watching. Also isn't there things that need to be done to the trans? Or was that an old installation?

[@kizashikaze9066]

Z3 automatic w/ a stock rearhalf (edit - typed "c" instead of "z", my bad!)

[@m3nameisjosh464]

z3 auto front w/ stock rear. Or if auto m3/328 stock driveshaft bolts right in

[@EUROFEVER]

Where can I find a write up on how to do this swap?

[@hazemhossam5263]

This called transbrake it engage 1st gear or any startting gear programed and reverse to lock the transmission in place so you can build boost or lunch it then you let the handle out and it will just disengage reverse letting you take off fast as possible really known for drag racing... Hope I helped👍♥️

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@hazemhossam5263 thank you!!

[@maskedakatsuki3287]

im going to try this on my m50 e34 now

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Good man! Report back the recipe and I might try as well

[@maskedakatsuki3287]

@@m3nameisjosh464 ill vlog it in the future bro hopefully you'll get to see it

[@MaWe1997]

8hp is really a goted transmission, im really intrested in trying one in my daily e39, but i cant do it to my e36 😅 it would be too sacrilegious, i dont know if you mentioned it in the video but a huge + is also the possibility of downshifting multiple gears at once, so from cruising in 7 to full pull in 4 in a second, it really is not at all comparable to older automatics

[@MaWe1997]

And also you were talking about torque converter and losing power, this is not true with the 8hp as the converter is only used on takeoff and in the gear shift, it has internal clutch packs for when its in gear

[@m3nameisjosh464]

I had no idea this transmission could do that! Very cool! And I see what your saying about the torque converter and clutch packs, but I mean torque converter is always there spinning as rotational mass so I think it causes a little loss regardless?

[@kristinasimonaitiene7481]

Automatic is the future, way to go Justas and Josh! This is big a change in drifting!

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Yes it is!!

[@Shari_Tejp]

I like the idea of it, but every time i watch an 8hp swap i just feel how squishy shifts are. Especially downshifts (and also kinda slow). I feel like this swap is great for older luxury BMW‘s like e39 or e38. But for sportier driving i think that a proper DCT swap would be so much better and more aggressive. Especially revv matching and throttle blips on downshifts…

[@m3nameisjosh464]

I understand that. I don’t think its too squishy or slow but definitely not a DCT

[@joshuafyeah]

this is sick i need to do this!

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Its super rad!

[@PatalJunior]

My 316i also grinds first unless I stop or perfectly rev match, poor E36, the previous owner must of beaten on it, but hey, as a first car still not complaining (especially since I'm from Europe)

[@mst8688]

So you got the 8HP45 right?

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Yup 8hp-45

[@cliftonjackson441]

Dudes about to raise the floor on auto e36s and 39s in a couple years if this ever becomes a fully developed package you can buy Ope, didn't realize it was for v8s. Bangle butt stocks going up Dammit, it's all the v8s who's stock has already gone up 😠 lmao. Oh well, just another build for the dream list for now, lol

[@m3nameisjosh464]

I think its pretty much already a complete package!!

[@whiskeyactual.]

Will an 8HP fit the e28? I've seen that there are M30 adapter plates available.

[@m3nameisjosh464]

If there can be an adapter plate for m30 then theres no reason why it couldn’t! Figuring out a driveshaft would be only other concern.

[@Bryan2.0411]

You said your brain feels like it farted? If it makes you feel better, my brain totally took a dump. Back in the days car came standard with a manual and auto's were the option. Now it's the other way around. It's ok as long as it's an option. Just don't kill manuals. Now a days transmissions are the internet for cars.😮

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@Bryan2.0411 hahahah true that!

[@fuanabands8436]

Would this work with an m52TU-M54 ? Very Curious

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@fuanabands8436 yupp it can work on anything really

[@qers]

If you have the MS43 engine management it's also much easier to fully integrate it into the car.

[@fuanabands8436]

@@qersgenuinely debating keeping the e34 540 - getting my hands on another m50 e34 and doing this! That would be sick💥

[@qers]

@@fuanabands8436 Honestly, unless the 540 is a factory 6-speed I'd put it in that. So much fuel economy gain with an 8-speed and ultimate drivability. I'm personally aiming for an M54B30 powered E34 with an 8HP, until funds are there for an M60B44 conversion.

[@pachokardana6192]

great!

[@joshpurnell2545]

bet this fits an m20 as well

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@joshpurnell2545 yupp

[@b2o7_url]

nice

[@M-PASTA]

I want one for a time attack build

[@m3nameisjosh464]

I think it would be perfect for that!

[@gdrozd555]

Turbolamik has a black Friday sale going on now

[@M-PASTA]

@@gdrozd555 i need to finish my current project first so I’ll probably miss the sale 😔 I’ll be ready next year though!

[@b11a11d11]

I need one on my e34 m50b25 🎉😂❤❤❤❤

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Would be nice!

[@ALLvideogamesFANBOY1]

DCT is still over 8HP. People just 8hp swap the world because of cost and availability

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@@ALLvideogamesFANBOY1 makes sense

[@hexagonosaurus5848]

Lol dct is trash 🤣. Only hyped up by people who sell them and swap kits. XHP flashed ZF8 is faster and not made of icycles.

[@ALLvideogamesFANBOY1]

@@hexagonosaurus5848 lol DCT flash still shifts faster than a flashed 8HP for sure. The difference is negligible which is why people lean towards the 8HP for the reasons I stated. DCT is still > 8HP for performance like I said

[@anthonyk]

The 5 speed is ok, the 4 speed the gears are way too tall especially on the little i6

[@m3nameisjosh464]

5 speed is okay till you drive this!

[@sleepeasywithwhitenoise3860]

Pro tip Buy a vw or Audi

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Weird place to comment this

[@raiinydayz1889]

Actually pretty incredible setup, but I do think paddle shifters as an extra would do good as well

[@gdrozd555]

You can add them

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Paddle shifters would be sweet!

[@EdRaket13]

nice! want a 8hpx in my 325ix E30

[@m3nameisjosh464]

Would work, m20 is same bellhousing as M5x!!

[@maxkaufel4715]

@@m3nameisjosh464but isnt the angle of the engine different? Like an M20 sits at 30 degrees while m5x sit at only 20

[@m3nameisjosh464]

@ angle is different yes but nothing connects an auto to the shifter so angle shouldn’t matter. Trans will be a bit tilted in tunnel but doubt that would effect much.

[@maxkaufel4715]

@ yeah i never tried it myself I just know it can cause trouble on manuals. But autos should be fine

[@LM-uz4pr]

sad af lol