The Vicious Mind of Edgar Ross - Red Dead Redemption

[@dillonc7955]

Edgar Ross had the most poetic of deaths: Jack met him by a river and Jack kills him by a river. Ross basically ruined the boy's life yet 110% never saw it coming.

[@Fizhy]

It’s a beautiful end

[@LFPman]

I’d like to think all the players who played Red Dead 1 first, were laughing maniacally when Ross leaves saying “Enjoy your fishing, kid”

[@planderlinde1969]

Or funny enough had Ross just left John alone Jack would have probably become a normal member of society. By killing John Ross only completed the visious circle turning Jack into the one thing his parents didn't want him to be and the one thing he sought to destroy. A vengeful outlaw who would prove to be his ultimate downfall.

[@travisswann23]

Both while fishing too

[@thisguy8106]

​@@travisswann23Ross is duck hunting.

[@John.McMillan]

Milton was right for what he did, Ross was just an outlaw with a badge. If it was Milton instead of Ross in RdR1, I'm certain John would have been left alone if being constantly monitored for a while (parole, basically). Ross was genuinely just vindictive and used any excuse he could to do what he wanted.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Milton was dealing with a Dutch that was less unhinged. As Dutch became more ruthless and violent, the detective agency followed suit.

[@SirDankleberry]

Milton shot an unarmed old man who was already arrested and fired a Gatling gun into a building where he knew innocent women and a child were. He's worse than most of the gang, the difference is he works for the govenment and gets away with his crimes.

[@80VAIN08]

I think shooting a young woman in the head for a chance to escape after killing a bunch of Pinkertons was considered pretty unhinged. Still Milton risked his life when he walked into the gang's camp to avoid killing anyone but Dutch. I doubt Ross would have done that.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@80VAIN08 Well Dutch does the same thing in RDR1, only it's clear he's embraced the insanity. Absolutely clear Dutch is totally beyond reason at that point.

[@80VAIN08]

@@Edax_Royeaux I agree with you when it comes to Dutch's character, what I meant was that from an outsider perspective especially in the eyes of those trying to bring him down, he was always seen as a deranged killer, if anything rdr2's Dutch was probably seen as a lot more unpredictable and dangerous. I think Ross wouldn't have hesitated to take Arthur and Jack hostage or slaughter everyone in the camp

[@jaymac7203]

Jack definitely should've said "enjoy your fishing" after shooting Ross lol

[@Fizhy]

He was shooting ducks though tbf

[@Grandpa113]

"enjoy your ducking while you still can old man"

[@jaymac7203]

@@Fizhy Not anymore. He was feeding the fish lol

[@josiahgonzalez942]

Really? They changed it in RDR? ​@@jaymac7203

[@jonpilledsingledad]

​@@Fizhyeven better "checkmate" "but we're playing batgammo-" *shoots him in the head*

[@channel45853]

While Ross being in 2 is fan service, it also serves the purpose of getting the player to think like Arthur and distrust Milton and his deal, considering the deal made in Red Dead Redemption 1 panning out like it did.

[@TheFanFoundation]

Plus it makes hs death more poetic with Jack being there.

[@justindunlap1235]

I had never played 1 when I started playing rdr2 and I never trusted Milton, I thought The females might get let free, but everyone else would probably get hunted down and brought to justice. Playing them backwards like that was really satisfying.

[@BananaWasTaken]

And the end credits scene really hammers home the idea of “revenge is a fool’s game” since John going after Micah is what set Ross on his trail.

[@ChadOfAllChads]

​@@justindunlap1235It's kind of better to play 2 first because in the 1st one john will start to talk about his past but then go "but that was a long time ago" and just moves on lol.

[@tyb781]

I think it’s the opposite. Ross doesn’t honor the deal because it had already been taken off the table by his dead partner, Milton. Which Ross wants revenge for. Milton already gave John the chance to leave and live peacefully, but he didn’t take it. Now it’s too late, no more deals, and Ross wants revenge against the men who killed his partner. I doubt he knows who specifically killed Milton, just that it was the Van Der Linde gang. EDIT: Actually, since it was Abigail that Milton had in custody at the time he was killed, he probably assumes it was John that shot him.

[@yousefghazal7076]

i love the sarcasm in Fizhys voice when he says "that sounds like a lovely retirement i sure hope nothing bad happens to him and then it immediatly cuts to adult jack marston meeting Ross

[@what_4836s]

Spoilers 😡

[@sleepingcat637]

​@@what_4836s Don't read the comments?

[@what_4836s]

@@sleepingcat637 The whole video was a spoiler 😡😡😡

[@theriddler5601]

Andrew Milton can best be described as having a dividing mindset while Edgar Ross has a conquering one. This lore fuels the reputation of these products so thank you Fizhy!

[@matiaspereyra9375]

Ugh love the parallelism. An armed Edgar Ross meets a somewhat helpless Jack while hes out fishing, then the next time they meet an armed Jack marston meets a somewhat helpless Edgar while hes out fishing

[@chipmunkcheeks6647]

The exact same gun too

[@Gibbypastrami]

Would’ve rathered a RDR2.5 DLC where we play as a slightly older Jack in an updated map with a bunch of the other stuff promised and hinted at and at the end of it we see him take out Ross…

[@josiahz21]

He was duck hunting.

[@thephantomoftheparadise5666]

I wouldn't say he was that helpless. He still has a gun on him.

[@syrsafox32]

@@josiahz21 I guess you could say they were both hunting, but one was in the water and the other was in the air. One was "primitive" and the other was "modern".

[@TheHiddenOne690]

Some Fizhy RDR Lore is what I need right now..

[@Fizhy]

[@robertlafrance9974]

@@Fizhy❤

[@trueseattleite6958]

You're so right

[@Yes-Bean]

More like rdr1 Lore but I agree

[@AlqhemyA]

@@trueseattleite6958 The Strokes reference???

[@QuicklyFreeze]

using a man's wife and kid as blackmail is another realm of evil

[@LFPman]

I wonder if it was a take on how some governments operate…not being specific on the country. But it could be possible.

[@cjthebeesknees]

Government is the worst mafioso.

[@Samsonig]

that man is a former outlaw who killed for a living he might be reformed yes but that doesnt excuse the potential thousands he killed

[@Barbarian1244]

​Fair enough but also you still have to put yourself in Marston's shoes you wouldn't like it if someone used your immediate family as blackmail against you and yes it is fair to call Marston out for his past offenses but is it also not an immoral offense for Ross to use John's immediate family as Blackmail against him despite John's past offenses point is there are plenty of other ways Ross could have gotten John to turn against his former partners in crime then using his family as Blackmail.​@@Samsonig

[@Yes-Bean]

That is literally what criminals do

[@-SaintValentine]

The thing I found ironic about the ending's of RDR1 and RDR2. Both of the main antagonist's deaths were brought about because they went 1 step too far. This is assuming the high honor, go with john, is the canon ending of RDR2. But, if Micah didn't go back to beat Arthur and try to kill him. John would've never gone back to kill Micah. If Edgar Ross just left John and his family alone after the death of Dutch, Ross would've retired in peace. But he had to kill John to complete his line of work. Which ultimately would lead to his own death at the hands of the very child he caused so much pain towards. Jack would've never became a gunslinger if Ross didn't push the matter further. Also, John would've remained in hiding, if Micah didn't go back to kill Arthur. Both individuals let their ego's get the best of them and it resulted in their death's.

[@iceman1287]

Realistically, John couldn’t have been able to be in hiding for so long because he lives right next to the very city his gang shot up. Not to mention that he bought his land from there under his real name.

[@cryptotugboat7753]

also milton taking abigail led to his death

[@dr.hollow5639]

@@iceman1287not really, John wasn’t a big name In the Gang, & was probably just another face in the crowd. There’s also the Clark Kent effect hiding him.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

33:40 No I doubt Edgar Ross claimed credit for killing Dutch. The whole point of getting John's gun to do it was so that it looked like Dutch was betrayed by a fellow gang member so Dutch wouldn't be some anti-government martyr for yet more people to rally around. Ross still gets credit for spearheading the operation that wiped out Dutch's Tall Trees Gang.

[@zcarecro]

7:56 they literally explain why in the epiloge why he decided to settle there. Abigal took jack and left because she didn't want john doing the outlaw thing again. She said how she wanted to have her own ranch at a place called beechers hope during one of the epiloge missions before she left. So john remembered her saying that and tried to win her back by getting the property she told him about

[@ashdondabbs7483]

i mean, yeah. the actual semantic reason for “why” is clear, it’s the logic that’s confusing. what would make john (or even abigail, for that matter) believe that would be a good idea given their history in the area? yanno?

[@zcarecro]

@@ashdondabbs7483 because the story wouldn't happen otherwise

[@Edax_Royeaux]

"BANK LOANS? I got a goddamn price on my head, woman!" - John Marston This Marston fellow makes a good point.

[@ashdondabbs7483]

@@zcarecro it seems like you’re misunderstanding what i’m trying to say here. the question is with their in game logic. think of it like this: if you lived john’s life(it isn’t a video game, it’s yr actual life), what would compel you to live just outside the town you committed one of yr most notorious robberies in? why would you risk that? does that seem like a good idea to you? even if abigail is ignoring the past, would you not feel weary making that move?

[@zcarecro]

@ashdondabbs7483 dude relax im not a game dev i dont have a concrete reason for it

[@iceman1287]

To this day, I still wonder why John was getting off a boat at the beginning of RDR1.

[@jamescpapg]

Me too. If you find the answer, let me know as well.

[@Itsnothing389]

Maybe he just come back from Canada or South america after killing Charles or Sadie, and he doesn't mention them because of deep regret and anger towards himself. Just a theory, but its possible, john mentions how there is nothing left of the gang so...yeah.

[@jamescpapg]

@@Itsnothing389 I do not think that's true since Red Dead Redemption came before Red Dead Redemption 2. Unless Rockstar Games had already created those two characters, then I believe that John was simply captured somewhere else and returned to Blackwater to begin his mission to hunt down Javier, Bill and Dutch.

[@Itsnothing389]

@@jamescpapg awesome the conversation has started. R* can use Sadie or Charle as an excuse to why John come in a boat if ever there is gonna be a red dead 3. Like I said just a fan theory. But what u said is interesting where do u think John came from in the opening scene from rdr1?

[@TonyG8992]

Probably coming from Saint Denis, maybe the law had his family over there first.

[@drew_lg2132]

I also believe he asked for johns gun to shoot Dutch so he could say Dutch was killed by John which would give him a reason to go after John in the end

[@swedishfarmboy07]

But what do you mean Ross told John to shot him?

[@theseb1979]

They didn’t have that sort of forensics in those days.

[@johnnysilvercloud4470]

Ross is far worse than Milton. Imagine if he Milton was killed early, at the Jack fishing or at Horseshoe Overlook. Imagine Arthur dealing with Ross more. Kidnapping his ex wife….

[@elderliddle2733]

Ex wife was dead before that. If you’re referring to Mary Linton, she’s Arthur’s ex girlfriend, they were never married. She married another guy, but he died. That’s why she was living in that house in Valentine. As a widow, she couldn’t yet inherit properties from her dead husband.

[@johnnysilvercloud4470]

@@elderliddle2733 ah yes. Still, if Ross kidnapped her, that’s a radically different game we get

[@cosmonauthal7651]

A lot of innocent people would probably still be alive if Dutch didn’t get the benefit of Milton’s mercy but just the wraith of Ross, if we look at this senerio from the perspective of outside the game.

[@fireassassin1688]

The missions with ross in rdr1 are pretty enjoyable. To listen to john and ross hating eachother through conversation was really fun to listen to

[@shoelacedobby3819]

Edgar ross is evil. The morally gray one is milton. He didn't take Arthur because jack was there and he gave Dutch ample time to surrender in chapter 3. But he shot at them in lakay knowing jack was there, and took abigal hostage. Overall he was as good as his job allowed him to be though

[@maxrocketansky]

Milton is evil too.

[@RhadaGhast100]

Milton was evil as well. If you know anything about the history of the Pinkertons than its clear as day. That and Milton did do things that would he considered illegal in his trade, such as kidnapping Abigail. He was also willing to mow down the whole gang at the start of chapter 6 with a machine gun, knowing full well that there were women and children in there.

[@monke1002]

​@@RhadaGhast100 he didnt kidnap abigael, he arrested her, she was a criminal, and the irl pinkerton argument is just stupid, its a game

[@RhadaGhast100]

@@monke1002 I mean I'm refering to the Pinkertons because neither Milton or the Van Der Linde gang are good people their both villians. Game is just told from the pov of the gang.

[@JadenFowler-j1l]

Edgar and Milton are hateful men. They don't really want justice, they only use justice as a scapegoat. Milton uses law to justify his sadistic murderous spirit. Edgar has a lust for glory. Both are deadly sins.

[@FTChomp9980]

Jack Martson:"U killed my father prepare to die."

[@pghchaos]

Fizhy video drop when I'm having a bad day? Just what I needed. My mood immediately improved!

[@Fizhy]

Hope the rest of your day gets better!

[@LowRedemptionCoyote]

He is just an upgrade version of agent Milton. Milton was bad guy trying to do the right thing on the dishonorable and stubborn way, Ross was just evil. He used John and at the end he just got rid of him. He did what Milton could only wish for.

[@nicoffee777]

Don't know bout the last one. It's not like Milton is just a less evil version of Ross, Milton even offered the gang members a way out more than once whilst Ross just fucks them over after using them (seeing John in RDR1) One of them has a (complex) understanding of morals, whilst the other one is as evil as Micah was with like no redeeming qualities whatsoever

[@LowRedemptionCoyote]

@@nicoffee777Milton offered chance to a gang just once at Clemens Point and that was it. Don’t count opportunity that he gave Arthur. And that was more or less just because he wanted job to be done with minimum effort. He didn’t care about anyone. And moral of Ross and Milton is the same. At least the basic of their morality is the same. Milton worked for pay check and Ross worked for the medal. And yes Milton is less evil version of Ross. Shooting unarmed man in the back, shoot out at Lakay with kid inside the cabin and kiddnaping kid mother are not honorable and good things. And one thing more. If you’re an outlaw would you take opportunity from the man who in the same breath telling you that “We didn’t kill all the savages, just so the likes of you could do whatever you want!”. I know I wouldn’t believe him the word he said. And not to mention his superior attitude. Like is the messiah of lost souls and their savior. He was acting like he didn’t saw any criminal in his life. You can win against criminal just with proper psychology or your efforts are for nothing.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@nicoffee777 A little far calling Ross as evil as Micah. I didn't see Ross murdering children.

[@jackmendez8579]

Milton is literally what people want police to be. Not gung-ho shoot out on sight. Milton was literally the only good guy in red dead redemption 2 campaign.

[@LowRedemptionCoyote]

@jackmendez8579 Milton was a good guy? Did we even play the same game. Milton was not a good guy in the slightest. He was just on the right side of the history and he was a sadistic maniac. And don’t bring up the chance that he gave to the gang, which was the only one by the way. He could not never leave the other gang members alone. Yes Pinkertons were paid to capture Dutch by Cornwall but they were also paid U.S government to capture or kill all other crucial gang members. Not to mention he didn’t give a damn about his agents, what you can clearly see in the last mission when Arthur rescue Abigail and Sadie. He didn’t show any remorse whatsoever. Not to mention massacre on the streets of Saint Denis, shootout at Lakay and how he said with enjoyment in his voice, how they killed Mac. And if Rockstar wanted to portray Milton as a good honorable man would’t they use some other agency or just made up a new one, instead of using the one of the most corrupt and evil agencies that ever existed in American history. Milton was never supposed to be seen as a good man. Because he wasn’t. He was just a bad man on the right side of the history.

[@joenesvick7043]

I like how Ross' first line was to Jack, the one who'll deal with him at the end

[@guyk768]

3:30 I always found this scene very interesting and symbolic in a way. Jack Marston and Edgar Ross first meeting involved fishing by a river and ended the same way when Jack went after Ross.

[@cliffjumper416]

I'm so happy you opened the video with Exodus to America, both the song and mission. Nostalgia strong

[@Xehanort10]

8:51 As satisfying as RDR2's ending is it gets sad when you realise John's doomed himself.

[@mkhider_]

Always a great day when fizhy uploads

[@Fizhy]

Thank you kindly

[@DieHardRedemption]

Blackmailing a former outlaw who is trying to erase the past then killing him afterwards is another form of pure evil 😭

[@BL00DYME55]

ikr, when he said Ross isn't evil, he's just the absence of good, I was like bro, he's pure f-ing evil!

[@DieHardRedemption]

@@BL00DYME55 Exactly

[@supercooledits123]

you guys are forgetting that john was a ruthless murderer back in the day

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

​@@supercooledits123 no one is forgetting that however Ross never kept his word and he talks about how society is better

[@supercooledits123]

Why would he keeps his word to a ruthless murderer​@@theoutsiderjess1869

[@lucabrazzi7112]

During my first playthrough I stayed at the bank and killed countless Pinkerton agents , over 150-200 or more for sure , emptying barrel after barrel , couldn’t leave Hosea in the street like that I was looking for revenge but couldn’t kill Pinkerton agents with enough variant way to satisfy that desire About all the scene in the game , this one hits different Amazing video by the way , Fizhy !

[@dbxniker7484]

fordham really is one of the best background characters ever written notice how he wasn’t at the murder of john

[@chancellor1055]

There a line that nobody ever talks about that I always found interesting that is your father killed him self with the life he lived which makes me think did he really believe this and believe all his actions were justified

[@PhoenicopterusR]

He just forgot the part where that applies to himself, too. You reap what you sow, 'n such.

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

He was 100% justified. You dont get to kill and rob hundreds of people and then just walk away. Tough luck for Jack. He didn't deserve any of the life he got, and John WAS a good father, once he finally got his shit together and even accepted his own son, but those few moments of decency dont make up for the countless lives destroyed and ruined. Arthur and John are awful men. Thats why Arthur says hes "afraid" to mother Superior. He knows hes going to be punished for what he did and there will be no forgivness. Only in death can he begin to be redeemed.

[@josephbulkin9222]

@@AndrewRyan-zv7zb It's hard to say. I think it's pretty clear, that for Arthur at least, he was way past redemption. That's why he spent to much time around his end trying to save John, and trying to get him to not look back. A shame that John didn't listen.

[@doccindy7545]

I love these looks back at the history of the game and the gorgeous scenery during exposition.

[@LaOñda-1]

“Enjoy your fishing kid” Aged Well You know John could’ve killed Ross at any point or time but I guess that wouldn’t make sense

[@BL00DYME55]

Even if John didnt care about his own safety, his family is the most important thing in his life at that point in the story, so he can't risk killing Ross and losing Abigail and Jack. The only time when I actually thought John could get away with killing Ross is right after Ross confirms that his family is back at the farm. There seem to be no other witnesses apart from Fordham, so he could've just shot them both, and had time to ride back home, get Abigal and Jack to pack their bags and run to Mexico or somewhere else where the law cant get him. But I guess at that point John still believes that Ross will keep his word and leave them alone.

[@ERK_hanna]

From what I remember he didn't break any promises he said until he had no reason to use John anymore​@@BL00DYME55

[@sohaibgallouch]

Your video quality gets better and better every single video i watch❤

[@Bladeslingersgamepreserve]

Really, Ross represents the brilliance of the writing in RDR. Just about every character straddles the line of morality and thus, perception of the these characters is determined largely by the player and their actions. If you play the game honorably, then Ross is a straight villain. No questions asked. However, if you play the game with low honor, basically having John resume the life of a violent outlaw, then suddenly Ross becomes sympathetic. It’s a shame that morale ambiguity has to be ruined by RDR2. The lack of detail regarding what John did as part of the gang made the plot of RDR better.

[@josephbulkin9222]

To be fair, John had plenty of time in the gang to do bad things. Hell, the last year of the gang, 1899, was when some of the worst things they did happened(Blackwater Massacre, battling the U.S. Army,etc)

[@bobbysheila]

Thanks for putting out more rdr2 stuff. It keeps me going mate

[@cardsatanywhere363]

Ill tell you, ive been following your channel since the assassins creed days and these videos truly take the cake for me. Love the RDR lore videos, keep up the good work.

[@Tsudkyk]

I believe Ross intentionally left out Dutch’s name, then once John followed orders he changed the deal to include Dutch. He can’t be sure of John’s loyalty to Dutch since John followed him all of those years. Ross is slowing leveraging John while using John’s family as collateral to ensure he follows orders.

[@chinnzzillanoochie2613]

Haven't watched this all the way through yet but I find it incredibly fitting that the bureau outfit in rdr1 allows you to do anything you want, legal or not considering the ruthlessness Edgar Ross and lack of moral fibre

[@GradeEhCanadian]

"First of all you're throwing too many big words at me and since I don't understand I'm gonna take them as disrespect".....if you know you know 😂😂

[@invisibleman686]

40 year old virgin....a person of culture I like that

[@AlqhemyA]

Another thing linking the Strange Man to John is that during John's second encounter with him in Mexico, he mentions that the law will judge him (something along those lines, i forgot the exact phrasing), and of course, predicting his final resting place on the hill at Beecher's Hope.

[@spaceghost8886]

Off the top of my head I’m pretty sure it’s “I’ll let the appropriate authorities judge my morality when the times comes, friend.” To which the Strange Man ominously replies: “Yes you will… and they shall.” It’s interesting because while John is probably referencing the Law it appears that the Strange Man is perhaps referencing some higher power.

[@PinchiWeeb]

Hearing this at work and even just audio, the whole scene of John's death just played in my head

[@Retro77691]

He works at 7/11 now i saw him last week

[@brandonalbaldon2781]

Bro I just put my friend on red dead 2 for his first time yesterday im watching him play and I just love everyone’s reaction to this beautiful game so glad u posted this red dead is one of those games u can’t stop thinking about

[@november_victor9693]

Ross deserved a lot worse. I wonder if it was intentional double speak from Ross when he says he will get a medal and John get a medal too (lead).

[@channel45853]

I think someone can be evil while doing good things, and I think that is what Ross is. A bad and sadistic person, a worse version of the already sadistic and bad Milton, whom does good things, such as stopping active criminals via utlizing John to do so. He is also of the view of Law and Order the show, which I think would frame Ross as ok in what he is doing.

[@PaulRudd1941]

I have no idea how you make such increidbly detailed videos so frequently. Your editing and writing is funny, insightful, and a real treat for me to come home to and enjoy. Thank you Fizhy. :)

[@jasperohare8216]

But where Milton failed, Ross succeeded. He’s effective and that’s why he’s better than Milton.

[@JohnJimMilton]

That rdr piano at the start of the video makes me sad for some reason. I think it must be because we know he will not get a happy ending. Great video as always.

[@Toadcop98]

Devils advocate here. Ross had noble intentions with evil methods. Hes tasked by his employer to track down and eliminate a slew of gang members who’ve (at least to the common man) terrorised, murdered, and robbed people over a span of years including a botched robbery taking the lives of multiple innocent people. A gang that has since dispersed and attempted to assimilate itself into society so as to avoid the consequences of their lifestyle. His one solid lead or angle is that he knows where a former prominent member lives and is aware of his new family man lifestyle. However noone can support his decision to kidnap that same members family to leverage him. That is just outright evil pragmatism. His betrayal of John upon the conclusion of his assistance is also an act that can only be seen as vindictive. But thats just my brainless ramble, thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[@petermj1098]

Ross sent the Army and Bureau to take down John at his house, but didn’t bother sending the army and Bureau to Bill and his gang who took over a military fort.

[@blake3656]

Loving the consistency right now mate.

[@travisswann23]

The first head/face of the FBI was J. Edgar Hoover... Edgar Ross, Coincidence? I think not 🤔

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

......he could have become a president.....

[@anubis7king284]

I still replay RDR2 and try different methods of going about doing it. I appreciate this channel for the countless hours of content and investigation of several things regarding the game. I personally use these videos when I replay in order to find things in certain chapters that I didn't know about. Thank YOU Fizhy

[@williambarr318]

I have been really enjoying the Red Dead Redemption 1 content lately

[@Lesinator]

From any point of view except the protagonists, Edgar Ross is the good guy. It’s just that we always play an outlaw and he’s very much a lawman. Dutch killed that innocent girl and caused a massacre in Blackwater, and John took the gold the only thing left for Ross to chase after.

[@JoeVington]

None of them are good people though, especially not Dutch or Ross or Milton

[@cosmonauthal7651]

That is how Rockstar wrote the story with this point of view just they made the gang members so god damn likable everyone calls them the hero’s lol.

[@simoneidson21]

@@cosmonauthal7651You are aware of an anti-hero right? High Honor John and Arthur are anti-heroes

[@simoneidson21]

Edgar Ross is far more evil than any gang member except Micah. I don’t give a fuck if they stole from rich assholes who can afford it, the gang had good intentions

[@cosmonauthal7651]

@@simoneidson21 no they are straight up bad guys who are the protagonist objectively speaking.

[@Vermillion-ty4zr]

Been playing rdr2 and playing rdr1 again when I get done May not be my first time doing this, this might just be my 100th time playing through these games I lost track a long time ago, but even after that I love and cherish these games the same way I did when I first played them, and my love for this universe will never stop, it’s everything I want from a video game

[@ShaneReynolds0421]

Fuckin love this channel; keeping the RDR story alive.

[@aleksyssubmaker2745]

36:10 Edgar Ross isn't really a force of nature. Quite the opposite - he's the force of the artificially created civilization that enforces its' artificially created laws onto humans. Moreover, he serves the civilization that allows people like him to not abide by the law at all, like letting him kidnap two other people without any consequences.

[@yeirishpotato5710]

Fizhy has such a soothing voice!! I genuinely put some of these videos on like a podcast to fall asleep too

[@ChristopherMoorman]

I'm addicted to watching your red dead redemption 2 videos,I've watched all of them now lol,would love to see more videos.. I love them!!

[@privateerbouncher9622]

So, what if the gang did as Milton said. Handing Dutch and they were left alone. Milton doesn't seem twisted, until he has no other option. Ross has other options, but choses what he feels glorifies him. So lets say this. Milton got Dutch, and everyone lives civilized, until Milton retires and Ross ultimately takes over, and he will eventually bring the rest of the gang down, because he still be glorified by it.

[@alvins.mindset]

I feel like a badass intro to Jack Marston older is him holding a piece of newspaper scrap saying “John martson last of van Der linde gang dead” over Abigail’s and John’s grave and when you press “back” to put it away the iconic rdr guitar string plays

[@mrnobody2683]

I made up a journal that fills in the gaps from 1899 to 1914 Needless to say he highly respected his partner Got obsessive when he died And tried to get things his way And fought alot of resistance By the end he wanted to get away from his wife Do alot of trips like Mexico Its quite an interesting read....if I ever write it

[@pymtech]

your videos are so damn good, great work! i love your dedication to lore

[@Fizhy]

It is he

[@JaredGoofball]

He is it?

[@JoeVington]

@@JaredGoofballis he?

[@cavedweller420]

​@@JoeVingtonHe?

[@LowRedemptionCoyote]

Yup he is.

[@ChadOfAllChads]

No he isnt

[@Wandering_Nowhere]

Although not relevant to the events, isn't it risky for news outlets to have in essence reveal where Edgar Ross had retired to? I'd imagine he would have made a lot of enemies in his career.

[@josephknight8793]

Honestly, I can't bring myself to hate the pinkertons like i did when i first played these games cause at the end of the day, the only person whos 100% innocent was Jack before he revenge-killed Ross. Like they said in RDR1. The Van-der-Linde gang killed hundreds of people and robbed 40 banks that they know of. Im surprised Milton didnt just gun down Arthur the moment he saw him. Same for every other member save for Jack.

[@petermj1098]

The Pinkerton didn’t care the gang robbed banks. They only cared when they rob in Blackwater. Blackwater is supposed to be the epitome of civilization and Dutch proved it was not a civilized placed. Dutch ruined the reputation of Blackwater with the “massacre”.

[@CornalReserve]

Yess I've been waiting for you to cover about edgar ross!

[@gameplayer8998]

Only person that can milk something and keep it quality

[@chrisclee6693]

Villain all the way. Even with the differing views on how to live, there is no doubt in my mind Ross enjoyed everything he did to John and the wider gang while a junior with the Pinkertons.

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

Your great grandfather probably enjoyed killing german soldiers. Didnt make him evil.

[@Tsudkyk]

Love these videos! Great story telling, informative and brilliantly edited.

[@Noneyo-Bidness]

Rip Van Winkle was the protagonist of a short story, who fell asleep one night and wakes up 20 years later, after drinking heavily with a mysterious character. He missed every event of note in those 20 years, including the American revolution and needs to understand and adapt to the new world. That "Rip Van Winkle" line also shows that the people bringing "civilization" to the West were less cultured and civilized than the "barbarians" they were hunting, since Milton doesn't seem to catch Marston's jest. I believe the "Mysterious stranger" that Van Winkle meets in the story was the inspiration for the stranger Marston meets in RDR 1.

[@alliasstar7289]

“Not pure evil, just the absence of goodness” So basically the Amanda Waller of the 20th century.

[@truthhurts3524]

Always top notch RDR videos from Fizhy.

[@Ghostface2252]

"Enjoy being fish food, Mr. Ross." Jack should have said that after killing him.

[@rubenhinze7695]

I loved the ending of RDR1 where Jack Marston said: "I enjoyed my fishing Mr. Ross." and did a backflip before beating him to death with a fishing rod.

[@Xehanort10]

36:17 As much of an ass as Milton was he was just doing his job in trying to stop a criminal gang. But Ross forced John, who'd put his past behind him to go after Bill, Javier and Dutch by holding Abigail and Jack hostage then had John killed anyway.

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

If Charles Manson, left the family behind and tried to go straight after the murders.....would you have wanted him let go? How about Bundy? Gayce? Any other seriel killer. "They still committed dozens of murders. But come on, hes a rancher now guys, leave him alone!" Its a ridiculous prospect. John is evil. And planting a few crops on a dirt farm doesnt change that.

[@Und3rcov3r]

I was about to say Abigail made a bit of a mistake by killing Milton because he might've not bothered John in the RDR1... but then I realized that would likely have ended John, Abigail, and Jack because Arthur wouldn't there to get them out of the gang. So really there was no way to prevent any of this other than Arthur taking the deal when fishing with Jack... but then we wouldn't have this amazing game

[@tobyneill21]

I mean Ross was sorta just doing his job. Spent most of his life chasing the gang. Had his work colleague an probably best friend get killed by someone in the gang.. so I mean he was sorta just doing his job. But he went after John chasing revenge, and what was always said during the game (revenge is a fools game) Ross went after revenge and eventually died because of it… just like jack, he went after revenge and killed ross, and it will probably come back to him in the future an cost him his life too.

[@petermj1098]

Ross is no different than Abraham Reyes. They say they are doing this for justice but they are only doing it for fame and fortune. Reyes is just another dictator despite defeating Allende and Ross is just another thug despite defeating Dutch.

[@ChadOfAllChads]

No he lives a long life. Forget which game but I think it's gta 5 where you can find books that literally are authored by him.

[@somedudewhodraws9377]

It was Milton! He had a bad influence on Edgar as I think he was new to the group and followed him everywhere.

[@Jasongilliar]

That was amazing fizhy, really well done, i enjoyed that a lot

[@Exalted_Pixels]

Ross tells young jack to enjoy his fishing, doom music plays in the background lol

[@Raiden324]

The one gang member Edgar never counted on was Jack. (not counting Tilly, Mary Beth, Reverend Swann, Pearson, Charles, Sadie and possibly Karen (if she didn't drink herself to death))

[@daa5865]

That man was a special type of evil. I love RDR for dealing with this moral conflict of outlaws not being much better than the law - they all kill, rob and endanger people to follow their goals. No mercy, or just little. John had did what was asked, without much choice. He was forced to do the "dirty work" and then killed without regard because the whole time he was just a means to an end. He killed a father and husband that literally did what they ask of outlaws - to go clean, and yet he didn't let him go because he had this plan of his figured out. Like truly, I watched the games "chronologically ', so RDR2 first and then RDR1, and I was genuinely disappointed and angry at that man for killing John after all he did for him.

[@dezperauto]

I remember beating the game at 9/10 years old and not wanting Jack to get revenge. it had been so long at that point and even though his words came way after Arthur was right, vengeance is a fools game.

[@heisenpsych]

Anyone think that maybe Red Dead 3 could follow Jack Marston into the 1920's, going from outlaw to maybe being involved in the mob somehow?

[@adamcuneo7189]

I really liked John and I was sad to see him die, but in real terms Ross was correct, it wouldn't have been fair for John to just walk away from all of the bad things he did. On the other hand, using John's son for blackmail is a bit much, considering Jack had nothing to do with John's crimes.

[@LevisH21]

to some extent Dutch was actually right about civilization and how the law is just as corrupt as the criminals. people with badges can become corrupt and evil but hide behind the badge to pretend being "good guys" we have in relay life plenty of corrupt and evil countries that pretend to be the law of the land. dictatorships like North Korea, Cuba or China. or Islamic Jihadist countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, Egypt, etc.

[@Ethanluvzguitar0013]

Best Red Dead video so far! Well done!

[@rl9217]

“Enjoy your fishing, kid…while you still can!” “Enjoy not be riddled with bullets…while you still can.” “…what?” “What?”

[@Madmij]

To be fair to Ross, the bureau has never been about stopping crime just managing it.

[@grantnewton4230]

31:30 I think John might literally just be giving Ross a hard time like this is like the upteenth time he’s made him repeat that he has his wife.

[@stitchfan08]

Milton was more reasonable than ross

[@backforblood3421]

It seems apparent that what Edgar Ross REALLY is, ultimately, is a projection of those conscienceless twits who are on the outside looking in of what they imagine that a given person is or what they will them to be due to the effect they would have upon someone/thing like them. The speech that Ross makes in which he says that without something to step in on behalf of the innocent, life would be a matter of someone with a gun being able to do whatever injustice he willed unto another is NOT something that would just be said for the sake of it, but because it is not only the truth, but a truth only a conscientious person would likely ever arrive at.

[@I_Am_Catholic_Crunch]

Im a simple man, i see Fizhy, i click

[@dykor3531]

I hate Ross more than I hate Micah. At the opposite of Ross, Micah didn’t pretend to be be anything else than what he was, a monster

[@simeracerhead3670]

Can never get enough of the RDR opening, magnificent.

[@thegamingcook785]

I actually liked milton. He was a respectable agent, but edgar ross is a true example of someone who wasn't fit for the badge. A man who took pleasure in torment, and involving people who weren't guilty, like using John's family as leverage, and holding them hostage. Milton did snap near the end, but he was fair. He gave people a chance to turn themselves in, and only then, began to execute the gang

[@tyb781]

Ross was on a revenge quest for the gang killing his partner. Milton gave the entire gang a chance to leave and live peacefully in RDR2 but they didn’t take it and instead killed agent Milton. In Ross’ mind that deal was no longer an option in RDR1, because Milton had already taken that deal off the table. Milton killed Hosea after he was already in custody, I think that cemented Ross’s mentality in RDR1. In fact since Milton had Abigail in custody at the time he was killed, Ross probably assumes it was John that killed his partner. It’s all about revenge for Ross in RDR1. Furthermore, Marston made the mistake of using the Blackwater money to pay off his ranch. Pinkertons definitely weren’t just going to let the financial beneficiary of the Blackwater massacre go free. People miss that you’re playing these games from the perspective of the villains, and Ross’s motives were as justified as anyone else’s.

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

Its shocking how many people dont understand that Arthur and John arnt good people. Hell, they can be straight up evil sometimes. No matter how many times you say howdy to a dog in Valentine, your still a murderer and a thief. And not of the rich either. MOST of the gangs victims are normal folk.

[@RedDeadRogue]

What I've always found compelling about Edgar Ross as a villain is that you don't need to shift the perspective that much at all for him to be the hero. Yes, abducting Abigail and Jack to force John's cooperation is wrong, but think about it; how many times have we seen in media where the law enforcer "gets their hands dirty" and has to rough someone up who arguably doesn't deserve it in order to catch the real bad guy? And we all go "Man, that's badass, this guy cares more about getting the job done than about stupid rules!" And it works so well, especially in the first game, as even though he says that he's "the bad guy" for enforcing the rules, he knows that at the end of the day, the people like the rules because the rules keep them safe. Therefore, we're taught and reinforced that those who uphold the rules are the "good guys" in society. Think about how different the experience would be if you played through the first Red Dead as Ross's protege, a young agent in training? He sees the detective work, the tracking down criminals, the use of their own tactics against them. He'd be presented as the classic older, rougher, grizzled veteran of the force showing the new kid what you have to do to get results, we've seen it time and again because it works. And yet, because the story is told from John Marston's point of view, we see Ross for what he really is; a cruelly pragmatic glory seeker who knows how to get results through the ruthless efficiency that makes us hate him. It's such a fascinating subversion of the norm and it's what makes Ross such a compelling character despite having so little screen time in the game.

[@Xfier246]

Tbh if i was ross i would also be as awful as posible to a mass killer..

[@captbossalf]

Edgar ross had a very cyclical structure (atleast in his time on screen): first seen while jack was fishing, last seen when he was killed by jack while he was fishing.

[@JoeVington]

He was duck hunting but yeah

[@metalm6455]

I liked how when you first meet Ross at the river the camera stays on him a little longer like “ yeaa you remember this Mf “