FORD ADMITS ECO BOOST ENGINE FAILURE

[@carukchannel]

If anyone has experienced Engine failure on a 1.0Ecoboost engine in particular fitted with an automatic gearbox on models 2016-2022 please get in touch by email in the description. I would like to hear from you. 👍👍

[@Robert.Youngblood]

They need to do a recall on the 3.5 ecoboost internal water pump in the ford explorers.

[@irishmadden9295]

How do I check if my car is up for recall, I've a light on my dash says it's a sensor in exhaust got it replaced light is back on it has under 79 thousand km on the clock could this be a problem I should be looking into?

[@tempromental]

Yeah we’ve had new engine fitted see my comment below 👇

[@worthyo]

We have the same issues on a Peugeot 308..same engine.. twice we have remover the sump and cleaned the primary pump. Only done .36k.

[@daanvanselm]

Not the same engine, same principle.

[@nahteo]

As an American, I mostly buy Toyotas that haven't been changed in years. I never buy new tech the first 5-15 years. When an auto journalist says "they need to update the 4Runner, it's mechanically the same for 14 years now" That's the engine I want. I want the last model year before the "all new" design comes out. The updated vehicle can have all the engineering awards, I want the car with many "million mile awards" ...that's the one for me.

[@beterbey]

That's absolutely the right strategy. Never buy the first 1-2 years of any brand at all..

[@LoveClassicMusic0205]

I think my next vehicle is going to be a Toyota. They seem to be the only automaker which hasn't drunk the EV Kool Aid. I would definitely be interested in one of their hybrids.

[@michaelwright1602]

Same here, Honda though. Just picked up a very nice Honda Pilot, 2013 model year, service records out the rear end... Very clean, rust free, a little clear coat work needs to be done with a wheel, but that is about it. Super easy to work on too, just getting her caught up on the little things, fresh fluids, cleaning up sensors and changing out a few gaskets that are known to fail down the road. I actually enjoy working on this vehicle, and everything is within reach, no need to loosen motor mounts or any of that nonsense to get around the engine bay. Well done Honda!

[@michaelwright1602]

@@LoveClassicMusic0205Just watch the direct injection and CVT transmission.

[@LoveClassicMusic0205]

@@michaelwright1602 I thought their CVTs were good. They're AISIN and not JATCO.

[@AndrewKNI]

And this is the engine that won so many awards. Just shows that awards mean very little.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

There was a phase of fitting inlet thermostats to engines. It's what killed all the first water cooled Porsche engines, and a few other brands. Bet that won an award too.

[@AndrewKNI]

@@G-ra-ha-m Yes, why do they keep trying to reinvent stuff which turns out inferior. If I remember correctly the older Ford engines were pretty durable.

[@neil1997]

Think it represents the number of awards Ford sponsored!

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@AndrewKNI I think there must have been a paper showing how it saved fuel or something - even Toyota used it in the 1Kz. The K series too, IIRC. It was crazy as the reaction time was very slow (the thermostate felt a bypass flow from the head + the incoming), so in cold weather it created spectacular head temperature oscillations and wrecked many head gaskets as a result.

[@nigelbaldwin752]

Bit like giving honours out to head of post office who's main achievement was the devastation of so many lives, dishonesty arrogance and 'elitist back patting' at it's best.

[@RobertNES816]

All of these car companies should be held fully accountable for their major defects. It isn't right that large companies get to screw people over and basically say we don't have an issue when they know they do.

[@kaloyancholakov3725]

Their punishment is people stop buying their products because their investments is ruined

[@robinwells8879]

Well if people return to a brand that let them down in the past they perhaps deserve it. People are remarkably tribal with their brands.

[@RobertNES816]

@@robinwells8879 well not me. I've been through Pontiac, Chevy, Toyota, Subaru and Mazda. So far Mazda has been the only company that's stepped up to help without much effort on my part. Subaru and GM could care less.

[@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953]

Most of the blame has to be placed on the (unelected) government agencies that make laws requiring ever more stringent pollution and gas mileage requirements. That’s the only reason the manufacturers make these ridiculously complicated engines.

[@jasongrisdale3084]

Did u just wake up from a coma....this crap has been going on for decades....this isn't new....if u don't do research on what's a good vehicle then u r most likely going to end up with crap

[@ianflaherty9555]

My daughter was a victim of this problem. Engine blew up without warning at 45,000 miles. So frustrating that customers such as her have had no recourse to compensation. We have always been a Ford family but no more. To have a known issue out in the field for so long and do nothing about it is a disgrace and even now that they admit to the problem they offer the bare minimum. Thanks for the Video and the link to the article

[@carukchannel]

sorry to hear this and thanks for watching ian

[@marcyspandet5009]

This happened to me in Jan 2019 ecosport 64000 Miles. Needs complete new engine. Now April. Still waiting

[@gerrybrennan7205]

@@marcyspandet5009 ....ards comes to mind

[@ajithnandakumar4721]

​ @marcyspandet5009 how much does it cost to replace the engine engine

[@tlazur]

How’d you not get a warranty replacement?

[@BeatingAngel001]

I have a Ford Fiesta 1.0l Ecoboost and believe this is the issue I am experiencing. Going to ring Ford to see what they say tomorrow, thank you for this video! Much needed knowledge

[@kaylahawkins6975]

I have this same exact issue on my 2017 Ford Fiesta 1.0l Ecoboost..... I was actually on the interstate headed to the hospital to visit my papa in ICU when mine went out. Everything was goinh smoothly until all of a sudden my oil light was flashing and I couldn't push my break pedal! Thank God for the emergency brake!

[@liamjames2956]

What did they say?

[@BeatingAngel001]

@@liamjames2956 Garage checked the oil in the oil sump and found pieces of belt which is expected but a little shine of what looks like metal sparkles as well. Because of the sparkles, it was advised to replace engine. I decided to sell the vehicle instead as the replacement of an engine was around 4-5k or I could sell to webuyanycar for 2k. Shame, Ford Fiestas are a lovely car to drive. Good luck to everyone

[@Oofyy_]

@@kaylahawkins6975❤

[@scentsei8201]

So what did they say?

[@paulbaddiley7326]

so it only took them 12 yrs to admit a fault!!!! Shocking behaviour

[@G-ra-ha-m]

They could have used gears, last forever - but they got greedy for dealer belt changes - and now their whole brand is trash.

[@bikeman123]

Gears? Too expensive. Chain or dry belts work fine.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@bikeman123 Hve you seen some of the balance shaft gears? Always 'Too expensive' yet it's not too expensive for balance shafts. Gears are actually not that much, a little set to do balance shafts and reduction to the cam wouldn't be that hard. Last forever too - how much is that little gem worth? :) Then you deduct the cost of the belt, pulleys, tensioners etc too.

[@paulnolan1352]

Too many people at the top of these companies gambling on risk for more profit and not concentrating on giving good service. Can’t believe they are happy to wreck their business for such a piss poor engineering mod as a rubber belt running in oil.

[@Kx0195]

It's all a financial tactic. Drag it out as long as possible and you pay less because there are less of them still left around to repair or replace. Costs them less money but fucks over their customers. See if everywhere now because companies require eternal growth which is just not based in reality.

[@markrl75]

The recall should involve Ford removing the 1.0 EcoBoost engine and chucking it into the nearest skip. They should then fit a new convention engine that isn't going to self destruct.

[@ManSeeksCivic]

I'm a mechanic that has seen 3 of these failures in the last 6 months. The kicker is that not only is the belt an issue but changing it is a serious job that needs very special tools to be done correctly. Too little too late in my opinion.

[@Jonodrew1286]

I have heard its cheaper putting a new engine in as the belt kit as well as the torque multiplier and other tools make it uneconomical unless you specialise in doing the job. Also these engines have been know the catch fire as the high pressure fuel pump is close to the exhaust and when they crack and overheat its a potentially serious issue.

[@philipscott1128]

A new crated engine is around £1400 I think

[@toska4803]

Had my sisters 1.0 ecoboost belt rip its teeth off which caused the valves to hit the pistons. replaced everything and didn't need any special tools besides the locking kit. repair cost under 300 quid in parts & a day and half of time.

[@AldoScarcella]

​@@toska4803And you think that is normal ???

[@toska4803]

​@user-ts3gf8lf6o think what is normal? The belt ripping its teeth off? No, it shouldnt happen. Its a shit engine. I'm just saying its not a massive job to fix.

[@alenav100]

My wife got her ecobost in 2018 for $22k. 63,000 miles later, 6 months ago, the engine went out for this exact reason. We had to sell the car for $2000 because a replacement engine is roughly $5500 not due to their marvelous design, but because they're so hard to find due to demand... For all the wrong reasons.

[@johnmaurer2035]

WTAF.😢

[@fabioferreira5458]

That's the price of a brand new engine readly available in Germany with taxes

[@davidlasanen7690]

LET ME GUESS, YOUR NOT GOING TO BUY ANOTHER ONE MMMMM, OR ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID

[@Hiram33]

Did you remember to change the oil

[@brucesmith9144]

That’s terrible that an engine won’t last over 100k.

[@michaelhope8016]

Ford have been lying about this for years. Blaming poor servicing. What about people who had these cars on hp or a bank loan? No car, but still paying for it ! I have my son's 14 plate focus on my drive with a gubbed engine. Scandalous they can just forget about the earlier cars with the same engines that they ignored! Poor show Ford, get the finger out ! Do the right thing. By the way, great video .

[@damiankimmins3880]

I was told by Ford during a service on my Transit that I should change the timing belt immediately at 96k as the join was looking decidedly close to failing. I booked it in to be done last April and on the morning of the work being commenced I was phoned and told that Ford had quarantined all parts relating to timing belt changes and it could not be done. It was sat in the dealership for a 5 weeks whilst I hired vans until I had no choice but to fix it myself on the drive using none OE manufacturer parts. The help and or understanding I received from Ford was nil.

[@jamesmedina2062]

what is "the join"? And not understanding if they were first going to do it under warranty or on your coin? You should go and get some money from Ford.

[@Zzrdemon6633]

You left it with them for 5 weeks? Dude are you we todd ed? Good dog you'll believe anything

[@damiankimmins3880]

@@jamesmedina2062 a timing belt would not come under warranty. The join in the belt.

[@carnutme4437]

Quarantined all parts ?? Did they have covid or some other transmissible disease ?

[@aaabbbccc543]

ford is terrible at fixing their problems.... buy a kia or honda

[@itstheterranaut]

I read the same article a few days ago, and it's interesting reading. The problem we'll have here in the UK is that we'll never to get the same full-on recall. Although the article doesn't mention this, the driver for the NHTSA action was a massive class action in the US under the Lemon Laws. There were actually 3 separate class actions, but a judge ruled that they should all be consolidated into one. This is one of the good things about the US that we dont have here; massive consumer pressure with lawyers getting involved. It's a scunner. One of my favourite car brands has caused me to avoid most of what they've sold over here for the past decade, and seek out the older 1.4 NA engines instead. 100% agree on wet belts. Horrible, horrible. Direct injection needs some rethinking too.

[@buyallmeans425]

Yep ... Love Ford cars and trucks and have a couple in the driveway. I haven't bought a Ford made past 2008 nor will I. To many fatal flaws in their newest engineering.

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

Honda generators run thousands of hours wit a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

[@Hjd10]

Same issue if you remember with VW’s diesel nightmare. VAG were made to resolve the customer issue with either the software fix, remove the car from sale and compensate and compensate for the inconvenience. Apparently VAG tried to say that they didn’t recognise class actions. The US government said to them, you do recognise them if you want to sell cars in the US. Meanwhile in Europe no immediate compensation and they would only apply the software update.

[@CheapBastard1988]

​@Hjd10 VW has been terrible with their old TFSI engines as well. In the US, everything got rectified. In Europe, the owners were SOL. Seems like it's the same with all car brands.

[@cpgravenor]

I left the UK 24 years ago, and live in California, I will admit, the Lemon we have is the best, I have had a Toyota, a Ford, two Mazda's, and three Nisan cars bought back under it in that time. The way you get screwed in the UK, is why I left, and wont be back.

[@jimcraig6523]

The main cause of failure in Belt In Oil Systems is belt swelling caused by the material being attacked by 1) soot and other oil oxidation breakdown debris can get between the belt teeth and pulleys, weakening the belt. 2) wear on the outer belt coating exposes the underlying materials directly to the oil, which may contain unburnt or partially combusted fuel from the likes of DPF regeneration that attacks exposed belt materials. 3) teeth can become detached, creating a smooth section on the belt causing the pulley to slip and change the engine timing. 4) side wall of the belt being exposed to oil and oil debris can cause delamination of the belt layers first seen as swelling and cracking that leads to binding and possible displacement of tensioners and debris blocking various engine components 5) overheating exacerbating the problems. Belts have a designed operating temp and generally should not exceed 85 degree C for prolonged periods. 6) the use of the wrong oil spec. The design of the teeth on the belt has changed from straight cut to curved to lessen the tendency to collect debris Newer timing belts are made from rubber or an elastomer such as nitrile, neoprene, or polyurethane, and they include reinforcing cords to control the belt tension. They also tend to have an oil resistant coating to improve durability, resulting in a longer lifespan than belts found in older vehicles. To reduce the impact of oil on the elastomers used in BIO systems and throughout the engine, elastomer testing is now a requirement in many vehicle manufacturers’ oil specifications. PSA have a 1,000 hour test, VW have a 500 hour test Ford have a 168 hour test, using the material used to manufacture wet belts. Automotive engine oils are also designed to meet these strict requirements in real world driving conditions. The updated servicing of Belt In Oil systems from DAYCO the original pioneer of the system using PSA 1.2 Pure tech engine as an example 1) the timing belt must be checked at intervals of between 12,500 and 16,000 miles or every 12 months, whichever comes soonest. 2) measure the width of the belt with special tool PSA part number 1643190080, as excessive belt swell can cause binding in the drive system. 3) If any evidence of damage can be seen, or if its width exceeds that of the measuring tool, the belt must be replaced. 4) any contamination of any description is evident in the engine oil, further exploration is necessary with the oil sump dropped and 5) the oil pump and vacuum pump strainers checked for any debris, and if found replacement should be considered. 6) the turbo oil feed banjo, oil pump solenoid valve and the variable valve timing solenoids also need to be checked and cleaned before refitting. 7) a visual check for debris in the oil ways should be carried out by removing the camshaft solenoids. 8) If contamination is found in any of these areas or components, irrespective of the visual condition of the timing belt, it must be replaced. It is highly unlikely that Ford's explanation for belt failure is correct given the above. The servicing costs can potentially be relatively high on these engines if done as per Dayco's recommendations. Would I buy one? Not on your NELLIE!!!

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

Honda generators run thousands of hours with a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

[@MattExzy]

I can almost guarantee very few people are going to have the mind to check their timing belt at such short intervals. Especially on 10+ year old engines. Scrap metal in the waiting.

[@peterbiesbroek]

Absolutely great & professional comment, thank you sir..! Living in Fr, (frenchies are nogood in ANY maintenance whatsoever), I drive this 2021 oil-bathed wet belt crap design from Citroen...with the daily fear to hear the thing snap...

[@notpoliticallycorrect1303]

​​@@peterbiesbroekYou have ust as much chance of the belt particles blocking the oil pump pick up first,I've done three since the beginning of December.

[@bertbox69]

​@@JohnSmith-yv6eqa generators load isn't changing all the time and doesn't operate to the same kind of tolerances as an engine requires

[@DavidSando-ty7hq]

I have a 2015 ecoboost fiesta have done 38000 miles. Had overheating problems and took it back to ford they said there was nothing wrong and charged me for a diagnostic check. Also had clutch problems where i could not get the car into gear but it was so intermittant private garages could not sort the problem without a total strip down. I am now waiting for the belt problem because i know someone with an earlier model than mine who had the problem so i think it goes back beyond 2015. It costs a fortune to own this great little car. Have not been back to ford as i am disgusted with their attitude on the overheating problem. Thanks for highlighting this cars many faults.

[@szocsdaniel]

Definitely goes back earlier than 2015. We own a 2014 Focus 1.0 liter Ecoboost (6 manual gears) and experienced this problem, last year (2023 May). Loss of power, mid-driving engine oil light goes on and then breaks and steering servo gone. Lucky that we weren't going fast at the moment, managed to stop there and have it towed away. Mechanic was saying all kind of things at first. Then (after more than a year!) managed to mend it somehow. We took it home, few days later engine failure lights go on (not the oil this time). Could be related, I suspect the vacuum pump problem because of the absolute lack of power (no turbo), probably the vacuum pump is not driving the wastegate actuator properly or the diaphragm is broken so it dumps the pressure before the turbo.

[@fahimadilkhan3167]

Would a 2016 model have the same problem too?

[@TRams0207]

Also had an overheating problem, engine would overheat while stuck in traffic for 15+ min. Turns out my thermostat and radiator fan blew somehow

[@jamesadamiak6214]

I have a 2016 focus with the 1.0 eco boost. I have 75,000 miles on it and haven’t had any issues with it. Now I’m worried about it. I will take it in for the recall. Thanks for sharing this information

[@FatHead1979]

With all due respect, you won't be taking your car in anywhere for the 'recall' if you're in the UK. The recall is being actioned by Ford USA, after being forced into it by the NHTSA. Nothing to do with Ford UK/Europe, pretty poor video by Lee TBH, to miss out this key information.

[@adrianfoy6790]

Get that done ASAP !!

[@FatHead1979]

@@adrianfoy6790 I hope he's got a spare £1000+ kicking about then!

[@brianjohnson5789]

I had a cambelt snap on a vauxhall, valves hit the pistons, complete mess. It was recovered to main dealer. Only had about 20,000 miles on it. But vauxhall rebuilt the engine, no quibbles, no charge, customer service was very good.

[@michaelbritain5546]

Timing belt snapped on my cavalier at over 70mph, absolutely no damage, new belt fitted started first time never missed a beat.

[@JohnHughes2002]

Brian's must be an interference design and Michael's not.

[@happysporran]

Credit to you for highlighting this problem Lee. When normal punters like me become aware, Ford's hand is forced.👍

[@FatHead1979]

Shame the recall is only for the USA and the video didn't mention this. The video has really just stirred up a load of people (in the UK/Europe) who are going to be gutted when they find out they're not getting all help from Ford!

[@RalphTempleton-i9e]

If you didn't already know that this engine was junk, you haven't been paying attention. Well before any recall, this Ecoboost has a long list of complaints. My employer had several in inventory that were totally un-sellable, tried to give me one. I declined

[@thomasluggiero3413]

Exactly, yet people still willingly buy their shit!

[@jwmustang1]

Because they don’t know about the problem. And it’s many brands. Blame the bean counters wanting to make more money

[@G-ra-ha-m]

If you can get one for free, take it and put a decent engine in it!

[@otm646]

It depends on the ownership. I have three of them with over 150k miles, not one issue. I'm getting ready to pull the pan now but that's only for inspection. Big part of the issue is that people were not using the oil specified by the dealer, which was then incompatible with the belt rubber.

[@davidlasanen7690]

MMMM YA SMART

[@GR-kn7mt]

The same issue occured with the PSA 1,2L Puretech 3 cylinder engines. The wet belt dissolved itself within a quite short range < 80000km (50k miles). The situation was even worse with those vehicles which were used for short distances ( the gasoline diluted the oil and started to dismantle the gum material of the belt and these gum pieces clogged the oil pinholes too )..PSA on newer models replaced this dead-end wet-belt drive to chain..

[@rubenbraekman4515]

Do their newer 1.2L engines really have a chain instead of a belt? I thought all of them still had belts... unfortunately

[@GR-kn7mt]

After several lawsuits, which won against them, the PSA started to use chain in this engine from 2022 prod year..@@rubenbraekman4515

[@0bzen22]

Nah they changed it to a chain. Not sure what versions have what, since I avoid PSA and Ford on principle. Now, Renault is on my death list.

[@mcfcok3773]

I​@rubenbraekman4515 i have the new shape 208 1.2 75hp. Still uses a wet belt. I change the oil every 7-8 thousand miles. Hopefully it will help.

[@meab12]

​@0bzen22 I didnt think renaults used wet belts

[@topBrandzBAIT]

A customer of a shop I work in bought a 70 plate Transit Custom, 17,000 miles and the wet belt went. £9000 for a new engine, luckily still under guarantee. New engine fitted, he drives the van half a mile up the road and vehicle grinds to a halt. Result was a ceased up engine, can you believe it was dry, they forgot to put oil in it lol. Surprisingly the guy loves the van and says he would get another as its such a good drive.

[@ramrider1453]

Not a good drive if it breaks down all the time 😂. I would abort abort abort…

[@michaelmckeary1165]

Thanks Lee, I thought the mechanic was winding me up saying it was a wet belt. I'm a joiner and I know rubber moving around oil is a recipe for disaster as oil makes things slippery. Ford must have watched the Post Office Documentary and realised they can't argue against truth but 12 years is pushing it.

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

Honda generators run thousands of hours wit a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

[@michaelmckeary1165]

@@JohnSmith-yv6eq If you keep an engine constantly running its fine. The problem today is stop start tech and the cold weather we get. Minus 8 up here so the engine is starting from minus 8. We see the same with EV's and batteries. 90% of car batteries fail in the winter. Theory and practice are two totally different things. We only get the practice bit after 3 years. Generators and engines, and we all wish they could be the same thing. 😉😉

[@nodak81]

Being slippery isn't the problem, as it's not a friction belt. The problem is that the oil (or more precisely, fuel and other contaminants in the oil) eat away at the material and degrade it.

[@michaelmckeary1165]

@@retiredbore378 Aye my mate a mechanic was saying timing belts don't fail but the assembly fails and belts break or come off. So, better to do the whole thing when fitting new belt. Thanks for reply.

[@DailyStalkerUpdate]

@@JohnSmith-yv6eq From hondacivicforum: "The 1 litre 10G Civic rubber timing belt, not chain, runs in oil and is a known weak spot. The bill to replace the belt alone is about £1,350 ..." Generators aren't cars.

[@davidhuddleston7735]

What winds me up is when Rover had hgf with their new K series engine they were slagged off by everyone. Yet when the Ford badge is on the car they get away with these issues for years!

[@carukchannel]

I can feel a eco v k series video coming ( I am very clued up on both units) 👍

[@davidhuddleston7735]

Thanks, at least an upgraded HG saved the K series engine, unlike Eco Boom! Sorry mate you need a new engine.

[@SteelyDavey]

Just got rid of my Rover 45 a month ago, it was the rust around the suspension that finally got it not the engine. A lot more comfortable than the Ford KA i've mistakenly got.

[@leeallen1407]

@@carukchannel K series is a cracking engine if service correctly

[@philipjones9458]

I had a Rover 600 with a Honda engine fantastic car.

[@mr.v465]

With the new EcoBoost engine (starting for the Focus Mk4 2018) they already began to use the chain for the cams, the oil pump is still driven by a stretch belt.

[@7Miralas]

Only the new mhev engines are using chain instead of wet belt

[@martinslattery2880]

Great to have someone highlight these issues

[@Orcinus1967]

Thank you for saying it's the 1 liter EcoBoost, as there are many Ford "EcoBoost" engines of varying size and design.

[@weflipcarsUK]

Eco boom! Very common unfortunately due to the wet belts. Great content 👍

[@mattyb7736]

Ecosploder is the correct term

[@JD-29]

prefer ecoboom matty boy@@mattyb7736

[@stefan2796]

Eco bust...

[@KevinArcher-n3n]

My name is Kevin Archer I am in the motor trade and have a vast knowledge and experienced in rebuilding engines over 50 years. I have been a Dealing for three international companies. I have purchased a one Litre Eco Boost Focus 2014 plate and very impressed with the performance. This vehicle has had thee cam belt failures and is currently waiting to be booked into our work shop. The failure is how you explained and spot on with your diagnosis the oil pump strainer plugged with cam belt debris and this caused a complete failure to the first engine. The second and know the third failure the oil warning is on when engine is idling. All these engines have supplied with genuine Ford parts. Ford must recall one litre Eco Boost product and pay out compensation should be awarded to any owner weather purchase this product when new or second hand of this known failure.

[@davidlasanen7690]

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT, YOUR DREAMING IF YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGHT TO THINK CHEAP FORD WILL PAY ANYTHING

[@FatHead1979]

Ford USA are only doing the America specific recall because they were forced to by the NHTSA (the American version of the UK's VOSA). This specific weakness with the 1st gen 1.0 EB has been known for years, if Ford UK/Europe was going to do anything to help people with this issue, they'd have done it by now!

[@9595luke]

​@FatHead1979 If you thought engines stretching there timing chains wasn't bad enough some genius comes along and thinks a rubber belt submerged in oil was a good idea 😂 Never trust car manufacturers always do your own research and pay for the extended warranty if possible is my advice

[@rustypetesengines6687]

Gear driven cams the way to go

[@crwcarssalesvideos2039]

Be far better if they just built a few million new 1.2, 1.4 and 1.6 Zetec units and swapped them over.

[@matthewgodwin3050]

Absolutely agree with you on that. The old Zetec, and the even older Valencia engines were great little motors. Had a few of each in my time, and neither gave me any trouble. Wouldn't touch an Ecoboom with the proverbial barge pole.

[@mrjim1973]

Amen, The Zetec free wheeling, MPI motor is one of the BEST ever!

[@JTV84]

ford have never made really good engines but i agree those were better than this catastrophe.

[@crwcarssalesvideos2039]

@@JTV84 Zetec were better than most engines of the time. The only ones better during the late 90’s and early 2000’s were the Japanese, in my opinion.

[@CheapBastard1988]

Personally, I prefer the 1.8, 2.0, and 2.3 Duratech engines that are derived from Mazda. But we'll never see those good old engines in new cars thanks to emission laws. Maybe in reasonably recent Mazda models though.

[@StillnessofMind]

I am based in Ireland Lee. I am having huge issues with my automatic gearbox (outlined below). Thanks for all the helpful videos. Much appreciated.

[@megapangolin1093]

Well done for getting this out there. Not heard this latest news although was aware of the problem. Great video, now subscribed.

[@FatHead1979]

You'd likely "not heard" about the latest news because it's nothing to do with anyone outside of the USA i.e. the recall is specific to the USA.

[@paulegner7653]

What about the eco blue Transit engines that have the same crappy wet belt and all the tradesmen who have had massive repair bills refused by ford ?

[@richardburns5925]

A far cry from the 2.5 DI banana manifold engine, I had a smiley front transit for 8 years, it never missed a beat. Seems like another lifetime now with the rubbish available now 👍

[@nillysbonsai9636]

Agreed! I still have a mk5 2.5di bullet proof. Iv had 4 rot kills them not engine failure for sure! Tanks

[@Dawscar]

Spot on the whole wet belt idea is a mine field especially in the ecoboom motor

[@Dawscar]

@@richardburns5925 even a snapped cam belt only bent the pushrods you could straighten them in the vice to get you home

[@paulnolan1352]

It’s no different for the Transit, these belts are a ticking time bomb, especially if you stretch your oil service out. Belt particles are getting into the oil ways and sump strainer taking thousands of miles off the Engine until it seizes up. No thanks.

[@shaunehook6520]

Well thanks to coming across your channel Lee I chose a 1.6 diesel Titanium Focus. Your simple to understand explanations etc are soooo valuable mate! Mine is 93000 and new cam belt fitted by dealer, well happy pulls great over 50 to the gallon in general use ! Seeing this update video will make my choices much much more informed and safer. Thank you Lee 👌

[@Shadowknightneo]

I have a 1.5 titanium X. Going strong at 117k miles it's a good car, and good engine. May it carry you without issue for years to come!

[@priteshchampaneri5101]

Hope Vauxhall/Peugeot/Citroen follow suit with the 1.2 Wetbelt engines!

[@vukiam]

At least psa 1.2 is very easy to change the belt

[@ebolarnator1794]

One of my work friends had this exact problem with his Ford!

[@robert1616]

Well!! I have one of these engine’s in my fiesta 2015 which I believe is just outside the recall. The engine is brilliant! However, at 55000 miles, I’ve taken the decision to perhaps replace the cam belt at 60,000 miles. Thank you for the ‘head’s up’!

[@skodakatie7341]

Thank you for your explanation of this problem Lee. I had heard stories about the so called ‘eco boom’ engines, but didn’t know anything about them, until now. I feel for the owners who placed their faith in what they perceived to be a cutting edge design innovation, only to end up paying out of their own pocket, for a manufacturers shortcoming. My friend has a 2016 Ford Focus, with this flawed ‘wet belt’ design, I hope his car doesn’t become another statistic in Fords hall of shame😢.

[@gravemind6536]

I too have a freind with a 2016 Ford Focus who just spent £1300 on having the welt belt replaced at just 80k miles they claim the engine sounds and runs better now they also spent an additional £700 on a service and new starter motor too. My 2016 Toyota Auris with 75k miles and a chain driven engine has so far cost me nothing besides standard servicing and tyres and brakes.

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@gravemind6536 I think the design life of the wet belt is 90k miles (150k km) according to Ford and it is meant to be replaced at that mileage in any case. I agree that it is a terrible design, and IMO it is unclear if strictly using the correct Ford specification oil will prevent belt deterioration. I believe it is possible to convert these engines to a timing chain using Ford parts from the later revised Ecoboost engines which switched from the wet belt to a chain. Edit -- My bad, Ford said 150k miles or 240k km for the belt change interval. Mechanics recommend it be changed at 60k-80k miles instead.

[@curtisducati]

Ford are awful cars , I saw this problem years ago ! Ford need taking to court over blown engines on a new car

[@mmllmmll22]

My advice to 1.0EcoBoost engines (wet belt). Take oilpan down every 2/3 oil changes and clean sump.

[@Ghauster]

I have a friend with an ecoboost F150 that's been sitting in his driveway for over two years. Needs Cats and timing belts to start with. Costing more then it's worth yet he still owes.

[@joshwilliams0391]

Both my mother and parter have had them. They’ve never had any problems with them but I personally don’t like them. I find them hard to drive smoothly in traffic compared to the old 1.25 I’ve got. You also have to drive them incredibly carefully to see anything like the economy they’re supposed to give.

[@mikldude9376]

It might be time to trade them in while they are still running .

[@CheapBastard1988]

​@@mikldude9376Or just cut the sevice interval for oil and the belt in half.

[@otm646]

Here in the States I have three of them, in the Fiesta I am able to get 43 or 45 mpg pretty much everywhere. Going 55 mph you're getting well over 50 mpg

[@kenzohkw]

Had a 2019 Fiesta hire car with the 140HP Ecoboom engine, drove fantastic and engine pulled really well. Bought a 2019 Tourneo Courier MPV with the Ecoboom engine then found out about it's reputation. Was doing near 30k a year so oil changed it every 9k miles but couldn't get the Ecoboom out of my head so sold after 18 months of ownership. Bought a Dacia Logan MCV DCi and can sleep easy now knowing the DCi is solid and cheap to run and no wet belt ticking time bomb.

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

Honda generators run thousands of hours with a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

[@Foton0154]

I have 2015 Fiesta 140 Black Edition 76k km with ori belt 💩 but oil was changed every year oil pressure is good, time to change that belt

[@007bondspy]

Commonly Known in the Motor Trade as the ECOBOOM ENGINE.

[@adrianoakes152]

Ive had three Toyota Yaris models. One 1.0vvti, then 1.3vvti then current 1.5vvti. All cracking little engines particularly the 1.5. Chain cam, reliable and bullet proof.

[@karter5351]

It's not only Ford, I've just had a Vauxhall Grandadland with the 1.2 3 Cyl Poogot Engine in it, wet belt shat itself and blocked the oil,strainer, throwing up oil pressure failure warnings at 60k. It was afellt car so the AA carted it off into the winter night darkness. Fleet company wanted to change the oil and filter and were happy for me to pile on about 800 miles in a week before they could get it serviced. I told them to do one as I wasn't prepared to be standing on the hard shoulder when it started rattling like a selection in a bucuit tin

[@alundavies5171]

ive that engine in my corsa didnt realise was a wet belt!!

[@chubbychubs4636]

Grandad land, what is that?

[@waynemiller4602]

most peugeots and small engine vauxhall have wet belts..and they faill too

[@richlee509]

It's a joke on the name as most of these cars are driven by old people

[@CheapBastard1988]

​@richlee509 On the Grandland I presume.

[@v88krb]

I've had the same issue with the Peugeot PureTec 1.2 engine in a 2008, low oil pressure warning and I was covered on the manufacturer recall. But there were so many and I had to wait my turn in the queue. So my car was off the road for 10 weeks. Fortunately I am retired and we have a second car but it was hassle. Anyway, all sorted and the car is ok.

[@philipscott1128]

How many miles were on your car at the time?

[@v88krb]

@@philipscott1128 it was just about 50k.

[@stevenbilclough2563]

Puretech belt has been revised around 4 times since 2008. However the service interval is not Fords pie in the sky one it's 56k or 6 years...and it's 1/3rd of the price of changing the belt on a Ford so no real excuse to leave it and let it happen.

[@markr3140]

Wonder if Ford will accept liability for Transits too??🤔

[@Mal_Outdoors]

I've watched videos from the USA and their larger engines (2.5l) also have a wetbelt with regular failures.

[@noelcahill6707]

The ranger diesels have been failing to yet the price of this rubbish keeps going up pure joke

[@nickhill9445]

Ford have a recall for the wet belt 2L transit engines. They will replace the belt and other parts. My brother has two 2017 Transit custom and they will be going in for a recall shortly. Give the main dealer a call and tell them your reg number. They'll let you know if there is a free fix.

[@Rayfaedundee]

Ford sent out a service announcement that they are replacing and renewing all Ford Transit Diesel chain driven engines under warranty as long as the engine unit has less than 130,000 miles on the engine.

[@nickhill9445]

​@@Rayfaedundee AFAIK it is the wet belt type and they are replacing the belts, not the engines

[@PamelaSmith-g9r]

Thank you for your video.our sons ecoboost engine on his 67 plate focus has blown due to wet belt system. Our son purchased this vehicle in 2019 as pre-owned.he and the dealership have contacted for who have declined to repair as one service is missing however this missing service was before our son purchased the car.we have argued with Ford this point and infact the engine was not fit for purpose. Ford at present haven't interest in their customers and also that an accident was avoided they could not care less. Although we are going to keep fighting , oursons needs his car so it looks like we are reluctantly going to buy a new engine . Ford's need taking to task.we contacted Watchdog and the ombudsman utneither has interest so the bigboys win again

[@alanreynolds5985]

A massive thanks to you. I was about to buy a very low mileage EcoBoost from my neighbour that is in immaculate condition. But I understand now that low mileage can be worse for a wet belt than a higher used engine.

[@stephenward8707]

I can remember buying a 1994 ford fiesta si , and having a recall by ford as the zetec engine had sticking valves ! I think like anything nowadays they don't test "new" engines , just bang them out as quickly as they can ...it's a real shame 😢😢

[@catxls1835]

Yeah, a well know problem with that little engine. It wouldn't cripple Ford to recall all the 1.0 Eco engines, but that's never going to happen. Great video!

[@jameswilson6717]

I wouldn’t mind just paying for the parts if Ford would honour doing the job since it was there mistake in the first place

[@catxls1835]

Agreed@@jameswilson6717

[@damianleah6744]

Not had a ford in years ( no particular reason). But I found your explanation extremely interesting and easy to understand regarding these engines. It’s very peculiar they hadn’t foreseen this happening before it went into production. Oil and rubber just don’t get on together. Brilliant video btw 😎

[@JohnHughes2002]

Except in the bedroom, for some people, I understand. 😁

[@statementleaver8095]

Am I too Latex to comment? I'd say from 2011 the Bond-age should be to just Whip it out and push another Squirter in 😂😂

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

Honda generators run thousands of hours with a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

[@gravemind6536]

@@JohnSmith-yv6eq Comparing Honda with Ford is just an insult though, it would be like comparing Manchester City FC with the sunday league pub team. Honda make brilliant engine along with Toyota too. The most reliable Ford engine isn't even designed by Ford but Yamaha with that famous 1.25 unit you see in the Fiestas.

[@MaverickSu-35]

Hi! I truly welcome your video and this is what I have to say about my 1.0 125HP Focus 3 from 2015. I knew about the oil pickup clogging issue and when I've reached 100k kms (I live in Eastern Europe), I've personally took a 2 hours work (about 2 hours it took me) to drain the oil, get the catalytic converter out (it had 2 nasty bolts towards the pipe under the car which I simply had to break because they were rusty stuck and bought a set of bolts and nuts to mount it back later), get the oil pan down and look at the oil pickup. And sure enough, there were hairy like pieces of one of the belts. It wasn't much but indeed it was there and was slightly clogging the pickup screen. I've cleaned it all out, inspected the belts. Both belts still looked wonderful. Seriously! They still looked like new with no signs of teeth wear. The only thing to notice was that both belts had like small longitudinal cracks in them. But longitudinal random small cracks shouldn't be an issue though. Transversal cracks which I didn't see would've been a problem. And hey..., forgot to mention. I drive this car like a speed maniac and racer. I mean..., I literally wanted to make the engine die somehow and see where it's weakness is and eventually buy a new one from a used car, but nothing..., the engine is just remarkably resistant unlike what people want or like to think. The Ecoboosts are very reliable as engines unless the headgaskets let a lot of coolant in them or the oil pickup gets so badly clogged that the engine dies slowly day after day, but except for those dangers, the Ecoboost really is a resilient and very performant engine in terms of carbon emissions and fuel consumption like I haven't seen on any other car. It's truly a marble of engineering, but it has these sensitivities to care of. I rev this engine sometimes even above 7000rpm during very sharp engine braking in 2nd gear from more than 100km/h, just like I'd be racing it on a track and I've been torturing the timing with crazy revs accelerations and decelerations like for 4 years before getting the oil pan down for the inspections I've mentioned. One thing which I indeed did right, so maybe this is the reason why even though I torture this engine on my liking and still the belts looked good with little debris clogging the oil pickup is the fact that I've always been using only original (more expensive though) high quality full synthetic Ford-Castrol 5w20 oil. NOT playing with stupid things. When Ford said that for this particular engine you should use only high quality original FORD-CASTROL 5w20 oil and it can last 150k miles, they know what they were talking but didn't know how dummies would not listen to that and put whatever oil and the belt gets worn rapidly, the engine dies in warranty and the same dummies blamed Ford for it. That ain't fair tbh! Oh, and the intake valves clogging with oil. Hmm...! Very simple. I use AMSOIL POWERFOAM and pour it into the intake manifold as prescribed in short bursts with engine above 1500rpm and over the weeks after spraying that thing, the clogging of valves and piston goes away at a given rate, but surely it does get clean. I must be careful not to pour too much of that spray at once, cause once I've must destroyed my original catalytic converter and turned it red hot. Now I've learned how to spray that into the intake in steps, not all at once and buy a new cat. Best wishes! Ford..., it's built tough!

[@carukchannel]

👍👏

[@loopysassistant8442]

Would love to know the benefits of the wet belt system, there must have been a reason they went down that route in the first place, ironically the eco boost engine won best engine award for 3 years running.

[@stevenredmond7455]

Last year cost me £4000 for reconditioned engine. Packed up at 61,000 miles 2014 focus. Can’t sell it now & I’m praying this one stays together. As you said to drive & fuel consumption great. I wished I’d done a little more investigation but had to get a ULEZ car for work as my 2011 diesel wasn’t allowed in for free.

[@davidlasanen7690]

REMEMBER GOING CHEAP WILL BITE YA IN THE ASS EVERY TIME, HOPE YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON

[@claudiushempstead9893]

Come on you irons!!😊

[@richardpearson5439]

Feel for you mate. Sounds awful..I would cut your losses and get a 1.33 Toyota Auris..not as smooth but absolutely bulletproof and reliable

[@broken12367]

I drove one when they first come out. On the test drive it was awful, it was gutless so I went for a diesel instead.

[@kingsknightuk]

just a heads up, Ford very quietly updated the eco boost engine in 2019 and removed the main wet belt and replaced it with a chain. there is still a rubber oil pump belt but the 95% of the issues are with the main wet belt and its been changed. it didn't even tell the dealers that the engines had been updated! This is why you'll rarely find a newer Ecoboost engine with issues.

[@stevem9766]

I have a 2020 F-150 with the 2.7 . Low miles. 28,000 currently. I haven’t done any research on issues. Do you have any suggestions about this motor ?

[@kingsknightuk]

@@stevem9766 hi Steve, sorry to say but the 2.7 eco boost engine has massive issues with turbos failing, super charger failing and coolant leaks and burning of oil. These issues tend to start happening around the 60k mark. I pray you don't have the horrific 10 speed auto transmission, they have massive issues.

[@stevem9766]

@@kingsknightuk I do have the 10 speed . It is the 2020 Well damn . Any way to mitigate problems before they happen?

[@kingsknightuk]

@@stevem9766 If you're going to keep the truck make sure you change the oil every 5k! Them 10 speed transmissions are a nightmare! I've seen them fail at 20k!! Its because they are always hunting for the best gear! I genuinely think it's the worst transmission Ford has ever designed!

[@alphonsotate2982]

WOW!

[@duranbailiff5337]

Ford used to be a really great company, but they have fallen hard over the years. Both my older brother and my father were automotive engineers. I grew up around people who were passionate about their craft and wanted to produce quality products. While I miss them both, I am glad that they did not have to see how bad things are today. Admitting that there is a problem is the first step. Make America Great Again is more than just a slogan, and we want to see US companies- both large and small return to the greatness they once had. Ultra-Mega-MAGA

[@Steve-gc5nt]

Donald Trump couldn't fix a dripping faucet.

[@johnlopez3001]

​@@Steve-gc5ntTDS😂

[@petestanton1945]

These are perceptions of the natural progression of Capitalism. Can't shift to reverse

[@michaelbenardo5695]

@@petestanton1945 They can, they just DON'T WANT TO.

[@NVRAMboi]

My dad had a 2018 Focus (from new). As you said, when operating properly it's a decent engine. But I began to read the specifics on the design of the engine and tried to imagine what it would look like after 50k+ miles. We unloaded it w/under 10k miles. I was confident it would eventually be a very large problem.

[@stephenpearson1749]

Same here

[@coyote7411]

Also, newer ones are coming out with a chain drive, but still a belt for the oil pump ( i believe the same applies to the transit 2 litre lumps). so you still have to strip the chain to change the oil pump belt

[@itswais77]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@0161pumaste]

Ford should have carried on with the yamaha designed 1.25,1.4 and 1.6 zetec-se engines (called duratec in the later ones) it was such a reliable engine,that would run forever if maintained. This is what puts me off changing my car, its a 2013 honda jazz 1.4i-vetec, never had a problem with it from new, and i reccon it's one of the best small engines around.

[@neil1997]

1.4l Honda Jazz engine is truly bulletproof (if maintained of course!) The manual gearboxes can be delicate... Change the oil and see how it looks

[@JC-hu1wd]

@@neil1997 I have a 2006 Jazz with manual transmission. Not sure if gear box oil ever been changed. It shifts OK but I'm thinking get it done. 116k miles, had it 3 months now. 1339cc Dsi engine.

[@itswais77]

@@JC-hu1wd gearbox’s on them fail before the clutch 😅 but the engine is amazing

[@265justy]

The Duratechs were better... They were pretty much Mazda engineered from the 1.8 up to the 2.3...

[@jdmguy44]

​@@265justyWas just thinking the same. I had a 2007 (bought in 2010) Mazda 6 with the 2.0 MZR engine which Ford used and as you say I think they badged them duratec. Had that 6 for seven years. Great car and as reliable as a Seiko clock. Japanese petrol engines are second to none in my opinion.

[@tonymc2803]

Lost about 4 grand on one of these ecobooms! 2015 37k what a joke!! Good job in getting this info out there for the people that dont already know! Keep up the good work mate, love the auction vids too

[@JohnWilliams-tg8de]

My daughter had the same on a Fiesta. 33k and the engine was destroyed. Ford said it’ll be 6 weeks to even look at it, and it is probably something she’d done. Went to an independent garage and they refused to put the same engine year back, and put a later version in. They said they’d had these engines in, having been destroyed, so many times.

[@AdamLockett-uq7ns]

Got one, 2012, Been absolutely superb! I personally think a lot of the failures are attributed to wrong oil grade or lack of correct servicing. I've done 'Regular' self oil changes with the correct grade oil and genuine Ford Oil filters and its hung on in there, but it is now due for belt replacement at 60k. Im hoping the regular oil changes has bought me some time as I cant decide whether to tackle it myself or to get it done somewhere reputable, but its a big pricey job. Great engine imo, but I do agree it could've been so much better with a chain drive or external belt..

[@raye402]

All your misgivings vindicated as Ford finally puts their hands up ! Quality Lee as always 💪👏

[@carukchannel]

Thanks 👍

[@608dave1]

Read details of this online a few days ago. Interestingly my lad works Ford Main dealer, service, UK, so I let him read it. He's checked & had calls from customers who have also read this......& confirms they've had no update from Ford UK at this moment

[@carukchannel]

yes its disappointing and I would hate to see them try and avoid this Ford UK, the issue is with all 1.0 eco boost engines world wide on them years.

[@Billythebubble]

About time too! UK will react slower than US

[@BeingHappyIsNo1]

I unfortunately have two in the UK. Wife drives 2018 Fiesta 1.0 and I drive a 2020 1.0. The drive is fantastic in both. I never heard of the belt issue until this video, so will have to “consider my options” as we own both outright. The 2020 has already had a heap of battery issues, all related to software so updates on both cars are turned off after multiple dealership visits, thankfully under warranty.

[@moefuggerr2970]

The recalled vehicles all have a 1.0-liter, three-cylinder EcoBoost engine and an automatic transmission. The problem has to do with a faulty part within the engine's oil pump, which is belt-driven. The oil pump's drive belt tensioner arm may fracture and cause the engine to lose oil pressure.

[@FatHead1979]

Also only applies to the USA.

[@danielharr01]

My dad has the 1 litre Eco boost C-Max from 2012 and he's not had any problems with it barely apart from a hole in the exhaust and an engine management light that reads as cataylic converter deficiency but that's nothing to do with the wet belt and the fact is its at nearly 100,000 miles. The cambelt is due soon as was recommended to be replaced last year but thats normal.

[@FlyingFun.]

Here in the UK I had terrible experience with my eco boost and ford, they refused to even sort out the coolant pipe problem and I had to fix it myself, after a quick look at the forums I realized I had the problem potentially of the overheating and gasket etc etc so I traded it in before any other issues arise .. Biggest issue was fords total denial of any response ability on their part

[@khaterine-v5q]

I only buy Honda for this reason. I live in Canada and we get hosed on prices...But I will still overpay if necessary to buy a quality Honda. Just bought a 24 HRV to go with my 16 Civic Touring ( had a 2017 Civic totaled in a T bone ) Paid way too much, But I have a vehicle that will last ten years minimum if I take care of it.

[@Shaggy-8392]

I had this issue as well in my 2010 ford galaxy petrol. Sold it once I spent a grand fixing it

[@nuttycommuter3718]

@@khaterine-v5q10yrs? My Saab was 15 yrs old when I bought it and I expect it to last me at least the same amount of time again.

[@01matthewc]

I've considered a Ford with an ecoboost more than once when changing cars, but with all the horror stories I've heard, I've never actually been able to bring myself to actually go for one, and I'm glad about that.

[@itsrichyx420]

Just do it properly and get an ST

[@TonicofSonic]

ALL small turbo engines across ALL manufacterers are complete trash.

[@01matthewc]

My current car is a non turbo 1.25. Not very quick, but more than quick enough for what I need.

[@michaelpatton6561]

Do not get an ST... And I love STs (owned 6 in total).

[@TonicofSonic]

@@01matthewc Drive it until it dies. Do not fall for the "repair amount totals the car" that is outdated advice from when they actually made reliable new cars. New cars are trash. Intentionally so. I would rather put a 10k engine into a 8k older car if I know it is a good vehicle before I slap 40k onto a new car that will land me in the dealer 12x a year for "warranty work" and need a major repair 2k miles after warranty expires.

[@markfox1545]

Having tiny overworked engines was always a ridiculous idea.

[@rasmAn2]

I've heard similar horror stories about the wet belt PSA engines as well, recently saw one just in time which only had 40Mm on the clock. Meanwhile I changed the dry belt on my 1.6 HDI at 185Mm which looked like new. I am an automotive engineer, and I can't work out what the supposed benefit of these wet belt systems is. Even the hilariously cheap 1KR-FE Toyota/Daihatsu engines have timing chains, which last absolutely forever. To be fair that engine was stroked so far it suffered of pistons that slapped so hard they sound worse than a diesel when cold, but they keep going.

[@worldhello1234]

@0:29 That is an expensive system, mate. If you do timing belt swap by the book, it sets you back 2000 quid. In case the previous owner was stingy or the one before, the engine has the potential to "grenade" on you.

[@barryshitpeas5837]

Bullshit!! It’s £900-£1k at an independent.

[@stevescholey3479]

Similar story for the Peugeot Pure Tech engine. A cost reduction turned expensive.

[@TL-xw6fh]

It was PSA who designed the wet belt system, which Ford and VW adopted! Bad design!

[@stevescholey3479]

@@TL-xw6fh that’s when companies follow new design from the competition, not understanding the quality situation. Thanks for the info.

[@TL-xw6fh]

@@stevescholey3479 Actually PSA was the lead designer in Ford's joint collaboration on engine design! When I was in Ford, we insisted on only using chain drives, but Ford changed to belt drive when they entered into the joint collaboration (after I left the company!).

[@dennislane100]

@@TL-xw6fhUsed to run a 2 litre Sierra .Brilliant engine!Chain driven cams,with an hydraulic tensioner for the chain.Proper”wet system”! Only downside was the cost of a replacement tensioner,which had to be done after tearing down the engine for any reason, as once it was”hydrauliced”,it couldn’t be closed due to the internal oil pressure. Replacements were £25!- a lot of money for a part small enough to get two or three in a matchbox! (p.s. Only reason I had to tear it down was ,basically,my own fault- leaky water hose,made it home but serious overheating blew the head gasket😳!) Additionally,I could D I Myself- not an option on the Ecoboost. Mates wife has the Fiesta version.He was quoted £1200 for a belt replacement!!!!

[@TL-xw6fh]

@@dennislane100 Yea, PSA insist on belts because they are cheaper, easier to design and weigh less. The wet belt design was their idea to make the belt last longer! Notice that Toyota engines do not have belts. Wonder why?

[@NB_NB_NB]

I have a Picanto with a 1 litre 3 cylinder turbo, and comes with a timing chain. A few pals have come from Fords to Kia because of the ecoboom thing.

[@christinewhite784]

Our 2017 ecoboost focus seized in Dec 23. We contacted Ford and they've said the recall only effects ecoboost in the US. Has anyone had success with Ford helping un the UK?

[@CJColvin]

All the reasons you've said is the reason why I chose the 5.0L Coyote V8 over the EcoBoost V6 in the F150 anyday.

[@dazwoods7398]

I bought a new focus 1.0 Ecoboost in 2019. Engine failed on 13,000 miles. Repaired under warranty and can safely say it came back with the main timing component being changed back to a chain, albeit it the lower oil pump drive is still a wet belt. Been going strong since with dealer servicing at correct times. No issues or performance lost and its currently at 48k miles. Fingers crossed for many more miles. I quite like the car.

[@AT-wl9yq]

Someone gave you a line of crap. You can't just convert a timing belt to a chain. I'm a senior master Ford tech. Its the highest certification they have. I'm not saying its an impossible thing to do, its just that you can't get it done at a Ford dealer. You would have to get a bunch of custom parts made up and special service tools would have to be fabricated to set timing. If you don't believe me, check the internet or call a Ford parts department and try to buy a timing chain, all the new parts needed for the conversion and timing tools that will work with the new parts. You won't be able to find anything.

[@mabsbry1318]

Ouch…

[@Driver-UK]

Think you need to go back and get it in writing exactly what you said here that the belt was changed to a chain …can’t be done !

[@RJ-vb7gh]

I'm old enough to remember a row of 11 Ford Mavericks in a junk yard... all had 60 to 64 thousand miles on them. None had any body damage. I also recall Ford Pintos with jumped timing belts at right about the same mileage. It's just a Ford thing. After working on many economy Ford products, it's perfectly clear that they have a point of failure build into the design. Ford knows how to build an engine that will last. They do it for their more upscale cars. They also know how to make a car that will fail like clockwork. And that isn't a design defect, it's absolutely their intention. I can site more examples. Using a chain instead of a belt would keep the cars on the road too long, even if it were cheaper to do and in terms of Ford engineering cars lasting too long is a taboo. Basically, if you are a good Ford owner, you buy their economy model, drive it for 5 relatively trouble free years and trade it in for your new Ford. The second owner, who isn't a good Ford customer gets screwed in the worst way possible. The car is too expensive to fix and hopefully the fellow who bought the second hand Ford that blew up six months after he brought it learns his lesson and buys a new Ford too. In any event every time an eco-boost Ford blows up, there's one less car in the automotive environment that needs to be replaced by a new one. Ford has been screwing people who failed to trade in their car on time and second hand car buyers on purpose since I was a kid (in my opinion) and that's not about to change any time soon.

[@timothykeith1367]

Ford Maverick was pretty dependable - it basically had a very simple '60s Falcon motor. The timing belt on the 2.0 and 2.3 Pinto can be replaced in less than an hour. I think the 1.6 had a timing chain. Pinto 4 cylinder motors are good for 300,000 miles when the oil has been regularly serviced. I wish Ford still produced motors as dependable as Maverick and Pinto - crude, but durable.

[@RJ-vb7gh]

@@timothykeith1367 First you might be right about the Pinto engine. While I saw many examples of jumped timing belts, I can't recall anything else wrong with them. Our Maverick had the 200 ci six and auto trans. We ditched it at 60,000 miles ahead of the catastrophic failure that likely took it our shortly thereafter. We saw it on the road for about six months after we sold it and then it like all of the others vanished from the streets.... I might add that the car was substantially made of bondo by that time. Subspecialty, the car came with a "no wax" paint and pretty much stopped rusting when we stated waxing it. I'm torn, as much as I wish I knew what junked so many mavericks at around 64,000 miles, I'm also glad we didn't have it happen to us. But to be fair, other than the grease nipple that you couldn't reach without cutting a hole in the fender and the rust issues, it was really a very dependable car As to the falcon, those were just a little bit before my time, but the very few I recall were pretty tough. Still to be fair, other than a couple of 1966's I worked on, by the late 1970's they were mostly all gone from the roads and uncommon in junk yards. I'm convinced that Ford intentionally designed their economy cars to self destruct or wear out so there would be no joy for any would be second owners.

[@brucesmith9144]

Remember they had a slogan years ago, “Ford has a better idea.” Apparently so. Planned obsolescence.

[@ivanfernyhough3851]

What a load of rubbish your opinion is,the ford pinto engine is indestructable.ford have made some great cars and great engines.thats why classic fords make such astronomical prices.maybe the modern engines arnt so tough but neither are most modern cars.thats why i prefer cars from the 80s.

[@RJ-vb7gh]

@@ivanfernyhough3851 I still have a car from the 1960's one from the 1970's one from the 1980's and two from the 1990's so yes I agree some of he older cars were better. But, I used to charge $3.00 to start Pinto's, because I never got my screw drivers back. Basically if you shoved a screw driver down the carb and pushed up the timing a few degrees, the cars would make it home or to the junk yard when their timing belts jumped a tooth. I think I had to replace around 6 screw drivers in 1978 alone. To that I would add a really freak case in which the timing belt actually stripped all of it's teeth at the same time. To be perfectly honest, I never saw a Pinto engine die from anything else. They all got taken out by their timing belt failures, so they may otherwise have been good engines. I learned to drive a stick shift in a Pinto. My car was a full size GM at the time and I loved the Pinto's pep and handling through windy mountain roads. It was a real fun car to drive. Over the years, I had a 1970 Maverick, a 1971 Galaxy 500 and a 2003 Police Interceptor. The Maverick dissolved in the rain, The Galaxy was substancially patches when it got taken out by a truck in a rear end crash, but it was 25 years old and had about 175,000 on it's 351 Windsor. The motor was overhauled at 100,000 miles and it had a lot of other work done over the years. It really was a good car though, with a few quirks, like the doors falling off and all of the white plastic snapping at exactly 20 years old. So yes... Ford made some great cars and a few really marginal ones. I worked on a lot of now vintage fords... and we could talk about vintage Mavericks, T-Birds, Granadas, Escorts and Tempos for hours just to cover a few of the more marginal ones.

[@shauneco]

Since 2020 on certain models (Puma) they've updated to a chain on the Ecoboost. Hopefully that'll sort things out.

[@glensmall2393]

Thanks for a fantastic video but I am now scared of driving my 2018/2019 Ford Fiesta which had done only 40,000 miles. I looked under the bonnet and noticed it only used 3 plugs and was researching this and came across your video which I found exceptionally helpful. How do I know if my ford fiesta is fitted with the correct belt or the upgraded belt because I bought my car when it had done 18,000 miles. Thanks for your kind reply and I live in Manchester, UK

[@fransam1961]

it isn't rocket science to build an engine which is bulletproof, well designed for maintenance etc, after all these years. The lesson to be learned is that new technology and fads are worthless when basic good engineering principles are ignored.

[@The70s80scollection]

From what I've heard the Honda Civic 1L 3-cylinder engines also have a wet belt system and while they seem to be more robust the the Ford Eco Boost, the belt change on the Honda is an absolute pig of a job to do, at least 6 hours work.

[@johnmetcalfe9548]

there as bad

[@jdmguy44]

That's not correct. They have dry timing belts. Honda have never used wet belts.

[@antyt2714]

When my 08 1.6 tdci C Max died I almost purchased a newer model with the ecoboost engine until I came across a Facebook group containing thousands of people who had suffered engine failures with theirs. Some reported having 3 engines in 20k miles! Needless to say, I didn't end up buying one but went for the 2011 1.6 ti-vct C Max instead. Ecoboost engines are too much of a lottery for me. And to do the right preventative maintenance costs far too much with that wet belt set up.

[@carukchannel]

I think you made the right call bud 👍

[@marcusmaximus451]

Excellent and interesting vlog Lee, I purchased a cat n 68 plate ecoboost from copart back in August with 15k miles now done nearly 18k miles, I did send an email to Ford warranty check or recall check and said no so I’m going to get back to them again and push them for a positive result, time will tell so let’s see how we go kind regards to you and pleased you are doing well, Mark from Billericay Btw I use Westway oil, good reviews and costs much less than branded oil as no fancy advertising 👍

[@GB-dp5bs]

I bought a 2018 transit custom. Booked it in to ford dealership for a service @72k they said as part of the service they would check the wet belt for delamination. I got a phone call saying there was signs of delamination and they would have to keep it in until they could find out if they could replace it free of charge. Couple of days past and got a call saying they couldn't do it under recall as it wasnt one of the problematic vehicles with faulty wet belts that were built in Ukraine. I said the belt should last 150k miles before it should need to be changed so why at 72k miles does it show signs of delamination. His reply was thered multiple factors involved and I would need to prove and provide invoices for regular oil changes services at the correct intervals to have any kind clout to have it carried out for free. I ended up having to pay for most of the value of parts and labour apart from a goodwill of 12% or so. I asked what parts were going to be replaced and the sump wasnt on the list. I said surely the sump needs replacing as they are siliconed on and need replacing after removal. To obviously clean the oil pickup strainer etc. I think if I hadn't of mentioned it they wouldnt have bothered a.d would have just changed the belts and pulleys.... Good luck

[@pipnmaz]

I bought a new (used) car 2 weeks ago and was dangerously close to buying a 2020 / 2021 Ford Focus 1.0 ecoboost, coming from a 2015 Mondeo. Luckily for me I decided at the last minute that the rumoured nightmare wet belt system would not be a sound investment I went elsewhere and bought another manufacturer entirely. So glad I did now I hear that Ford have officially acknowledged there is a problem with the system!

[@ebodjarvo]

have a 2016 Citroen C1 with the 1.2 puretech engine. I believe the same issues are occurring on that engine too. 2yrs ago at approx 28k miles I had its wet belts changed as a precaution. Its got ~33k miles now and running fine, but for sure I will be very cautious buying a used car with a wet-belt engine. The wife wants a Ford Puma and I'm very hesitant to agree

[@Rjsworlduk]

how pug has the same touch wood be fine been in for the recall on the belt

[@michaellavery4899]

It's great we have knowledgeable people like yourself who are bringing these issues to the attention of the public and confronting the manufacturers. Changing the oil is a major job for the likes of myself, so we need people like yourself who can hold them to account. Recently I saw a video where a lad deconstructed one of these ruined engines and it was frightening to see how much rubber debris he was removing. He also came across a small toothless belt ( the one you attributed to the oil pump I THINK). As I have mentioned, I know little about mechanics, but even I know that a toothed belt will be more reliable when under the stresses in a engine. Anyway, loved the video. You are a naturally good presenter. I hope you and many others get an engine that has been built properly or the compensation you deserve. Don't stop the fight for the historic customers. The average member of the public need knowledgeable people like yourself, to take on these fat cats who grow wealthy from our hard earned cash but don't want to do the honourable thing when it come to rectifying their wrongs. Never stop fighting. 👍

[@FatHead1979]

Not THAT knowledgeable (or was deliberately being misleading to generate YT traffic) because the recall is specific to the USA, so really not a lot of use to Ford owners in the UK/Europe!

[@carukchannel]

Hope you enjoy this short video where I discuss the latest news from Ford over its 1.0 Eco boost engine and the latest recall they have ordered in the US. Watch this space as recalls will no doubt end up happening in the UK.

[@wl660]

I understood a big factor in the belt failures were incorrect spec of oil being used dur8ng servicing, breaking down the belt…(EDIT you later mention this).

[@egocd]

What makes you think it'll happen in the UK? The only reason these recalls happen in the US is because of lawsuits.

[@gavinf2243]

Fuel consumption on my eco sport with an auto box is dreadful even on a motorway run, 36 mpg max even driving at 55mph!

[@Driver-UK]

Yes … Shocking MPG Automatic 2019 in very good condition fully serviced had it from 9000 miles and average long term mileage is the same 36mpg driven very carefully 🙁

[@FatHead1979]

No chance of this happening in the UK. It's only happening in the USA because of 'Lemon' laws (enabling class action lawsuits) and the NHTSA getting involved. If Ford UK was going to do something to address this long known issue, they'd have done it years ago.

[@Paul-67]

That’s a great update Lee. Well done.

[@BrokebackBob]

I'm 67 years old and I have never owned a Ford product and I never will.

[@josephludwig1126]

Quality ? BS

[@LPMutagen]

I owned one. It was a horrible experience.

[@Tony-tourette]

My mate used to be on the cells at dunton They knew about the problems then but still went ahead Also the transit engine on the dynos were cracking casings around the big ends they also knew about that Il stick with my 2010 lynx engined c max 😊

[@FatHead1979]

Indeed. My 2005 early MK2 Focus 1.8 TDCi is still on it's original turbo, injectors and high pressure fuel pump at 192K miles.

[@gazfire1322]

I had a mk7 red edition. , ran for 3 years without any issues and didn’t know any of these wet belt problems , but. I’ve since bought a mk8 st line and although it’s only got 17000k on the clock with full Ford history and rarely use it , I’m now hearing all the horror stories , let’s hope Ford uk do the right thing and follow the u.s. by recalling and repairing , I’m now scared to use it in case it goes boom , looks like my 42 year old xr3 will become a daily driver and wait to see what Ford uk do next ,

[@TRD1949uk]

What year is your mk8? Some have the newer 1.0 which doesn’t have the same issue

[@garethsteele1997]

18 reg . So will be 2017 / 18

[@TRD1949uk]

@@garethsteele1997 was 2020 they moved to the newer engine sadly

[@nigelbarratt6825]

It's not just that engine. We have a couple of Transit diesels, 2018 and 2019, bought new and always serviced by Ford. The 2018 one broke its wet cambelt 30,000 miles before it was due for change. The 2019 one had a leaking head gasket at only 77,000 miles and the Ford dealer couldn't get the injectors out to remove the head. Two new engines in two months. I used to be a mechanic from the late 1960s, Fords were a total heap of crap then, Pinto 1.6 engines in Mk3 Cortinas getting through camshafts in a few months etc, and they're obviously even worse now. Chief mechanic at the main local Transit dealer actually agreed with me! Never EVER buy a Ford!

[@flashback9966]

I watched the machanic spend two days trying to remove the injectors from my 2017 Transit. It was painful experience, but he did it in the end. They looked like a dog had chewed them, so coroded. Mileage back then was just 6,500 . . .

[@johnbritton2982]

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[@haydnbetchley7460]

I would have to disagree with that. I had two Capris. A 1.6 and 2.0. The 1.6 went to 100,000 miles and was 20 years old. the 2.0 about 110000 at about 15 years old. I loved them! The key thing was regular oil changes as the oil feed for the camshafts could get blocked. I am DIY and used to test the oil feed by cranking the engine manually at oil change time. The cambelt change was easy even for me as there was plenty of room and very little stuff to take off in preparation. In contrast, I now have an Ecoboost and am horrified at seeing the process for changing everything that needs to be changed. A crank bolt that needs to be tightened to 190Nm? What were they thinking of. I can't wait to get rid of mine.

[@nigelbarratt6825]

I worked in garages in those days. We had a local taxi firm who had a fleet of mk3 Cortina 1600s in Daytona yellow, bought new but only a 1 year warranty in those days. I must have changed camshafts, followers, oil spray pipes etc. At least twice on every one before they were 3 years old. The crappy design meant that you had to take the 0:03 head off to get the camshaft out. Then there were the cold mornings attending all the Fords that wouldn't start, especially when they fitted that dreadful VV carburettor with auto choke. I could go on for hours, you may have had experience of a couple of those Dagenham dustbins, I've had experience of hundreds! Wouldn't buy one at any price.

[@haydnbetchley7460]

@@nigelbarratt6825 Apologies. You were obviously at the sharp end of things. I think there was a problem with case hardening on the cams at one point. I was always intrigued that the camshaft came out backwards necessitating taking the head off. And the VV carb was a disaster. Fortunately, I had Webers.

[@alfredsimcox7132]

My wife has had an eco boost Fiesta since 2015 and had no trouble so far…40000 miles !

[@RickTheSpud]

My mate's wet belt Ranger has just stripped all it's teeth and has bricked itself. 👊

[@alundavies5171]

that engine killed the Fiesta! thats why they cancelled it!

[@bikeman123]

Hardly, Fiesta was a best seller.

[@alundavies5171]

@@bikeman123 until ecoboost engines

[@bikeman123]

Since 2020 1.0 ecoboost engines have had timing chains. Besides all Fords have ecoboost engines so we would they cancel just one model? Fiesta was cancelled because there's more profit in bigger cars.

[@SASMacDroid]

My 2013 fiesta 1.0 ecoboost has 143.000km on it and i had the wetbelt swapped last week it was in a good condition and i never had any problems with it and it's fun to drive i actually prefer it more than my 2019 focus st line 😂

[@luke8329]

We had a 1.0 focus a few years ago as a courtesy car. Couldn't get the thing over 30mpg. Eco my arse.

[@carukchannel]

I have noticed the economy of some is poor, I have ran some and they have been decent while others like you say have been returning not so great mpg as claimed. Very mixed bag engine

[@st200ol]

Not saying you did but most people thrash courtesy cars so that won’t help fuel economy, also it takes a while to get used to a car and how it drives, also what sort of journeys, local round town stuff will reduce fuel economy. I had an ecoboom Focus and I easily got 40-45mph for my usage.

[@steverees1936]

I'm just glad I have a 15 year old Focus with the 1.8 tdci engine. It's got 178000 miles on the clock and still pulls well. My previous Focus had the same engine with 300000 miles on the clock when I traded it in for this one. I'm afraid of buying any new car now as so many from all manufacturers have big issues. 😕

[@iMagic16]

B58/B57 all the way

[@tony59able]

Great video. My wife has a 2016 Focus with that engine still low mileage so no issues so far. Are Ford actually going to recall models in the UK? There’s a rumor this only applies to USA at the moment?

[@carukchannel]

Yes its only covering the US but UK cars are effected, they all run the same unit and boxes. Nothing from Ford UK currently

[@tony59able]

@@carukchannel ok many thanks

[@graemew7001]

Do you think Peugeot will now come forward and admit the Puretech is a dubious egine too? I can't see it myself.

[@carukchannel]

Me either

[@martinsmith9618]

I have a 2014 ficus 1.0 eco boost - done over 60k miles. No issues at all and still going strong. Is it because i dont drive it to its limits all the time like I see a lot of people doing or that I get it serviced properly? Or is it both of those reasons?

[@russiandrivers9986]

No, it's because you haven't yet done 61000 miles

[@martinsmith9618]

@@russiandrivers9986 actually I have - 61357 to be exact