Ford Ranger Super Duty - 7 things we know, rest we can guess?

[@L2SFBC]

1. NVES kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJybqKZ5mJmNd9U 2. The semi comment, explained l2sfbc.com/why-a-prime-mover-isnt-the-same-as-a-towcar-and-caravan/

[@williampisano7573]

Hope they make a hybrid version of ranger the maverick in the states is amazing 🤩 40 mpg and it’s getting 4x4

[@redroo12]

Its like they put my picture on the wall and said lets build what this bloke needs! We need to carry just over a ton and tow 3.5. Nothing else in the current market can do it without spending $200K on an import that you can't park in the city. Finally Ford has listened to their customers.

[@marcturner5809]

I think this will be a game changer in Australia.

[@gregtucker3450]

Make it in a Super Cab and you could get more weight in front of the rear axle. That would suit me as a caravanner. More storage and weight in the vehicle and less in the van.

[@reubs91]

Bring on the single cab power house we need!

[@Wdthyfdo]

If they get this right they're going to absolutely clean up the market,😮 will be very interesting to see.

[@XR_Martin]

You mention dual axle on the back being a possibility, but in reality it's not going to happen, but why didn't you mention the possibility of duallies? Terrible for offroad obviously, but better for loads. Spy pics are suggesting just larger wheels though. There have been LWB Ranger prototypes getting around in the past, but not in Super Duty spec.

[@L2SFBC]

Because as you say duallies are terrible offroad. When offroad vehicles need more than 2 wheels at the rear they go for two axles.

[@tonygersbach375]

I think it’s exciting to have this option available. Thank you for your learn’ed input.

[@AutoEngineerVideos]

The only way it will be able to tow its full capacity safely is if it has a fifth wheel installed and the trailer has its axle(s) at the rear, just like the real "big boys." Whether it will be able to reach the GCM that way is an entirely different question.

[@seagullsbtn]

F450 and F550 are quite a step up from the F250/350. Primary improvement are wider axles for better stability and tighter turning circle. They are typically powered by the 6.7 Powerstroke though some utilities prefer the 7.3 gas or petrol engine.

[@gregjacques3159]

Thanks again Robert. Probably investing in ranger upgrade rather than F150 because: 1. The main market the ranger is aimed at is Right Hand Drive. 2. Most people can't afford an F150 due to Conversion costs. 3. Australian Drivers License weight limit category's don't match America. 4. In America buying a F150 and above is more realistically affordable. In my opinion the LR license weights should be covered under the car license. I would be more concerned with licensing people to tow 2 tone or over as their is more likely hood they will become unstuck due to ignorance of what creates trailer sway, extra stopping distance etc. If we could have relative American vehicle pricing and licensing, I'd prefer to see: Payload Tow Ranger 1 tone 2.5 tone F150 1.5 tone 3.5 tone F250 2 tone 4.5 tone F350 2.5 / 3 tone 5.5 tone

[@L2SFBC]

I agree, driving a 5t truck is easier than a 6t trailer combination! Good post, thanks!

[@nathanhansford76]

8t GCM is sensible. It also leaves the heavy towing up to the F series range, again, sensible.

[@conorgraafpietermaritzburg3720]

It would be nice to get the Super Duty Ranger in South Africa 🇿🇦. One of the defence orientated Parastatals does a magnificent 6x6 heavy duty custom build based on the Land Cruiser 79

[@timfreeman2603]

A local tow company (Clayton’s) have a BT50 which is a dually and bobbed to tow cars from urban areas like airport. There is an untapped market when majority of utes carry very little.

[@coreydark8795]

Used for low clearence car parks such as basements or multi story parking such as the plaza. They only use it to get the car out sometimes with go jacks. Once out the car goes onto a tilt tray.

[@reubs91]

I have heard from someone who has seen this, they are showing the car to third party or second stage manufacturers, that it’s based on the raptor chassis and footprint.

[@fasolavoy]

Need longer wheel base. Bigger cabin to fit comfortably 4 tall men. I will buy when back seat have more legroom and more reclaimed back seat.

[@graemegrieve1953]

Thanks Robert for the most logically informative video on the SD Ranger so far. I think / hope this will be the perfect caravan tow vehicle for me but definitely want more load space forward of the axle. Currently I tow 3.3T with a V6 Ranger that weighs about 3050kg loaded and although I have a Lovells 3700/7200 GVM/GCM upgrade and all number are legal… I still consider it less than ideal due to the car - van weight ratio. Thanks again

[@dallasfrost1996]

It would be interesting to see a Ranger Superduty 'Max' variant which has the extended wheelbase/chassis with a dual rear wheel (dually) setup similar to proper light/medium commercial trucks.

[@ericreid8987]

Id buy one if it stayed a diesel motor v6 3L or above. Come in a much higher spec. Main reason for me to buy it would be to tow my 3.5ton caravan, but if it was within 45k of the USA utes, id have to think twice about which ute to buy.

[@evoemperor3776]

When you compare ford ranger frame to other competitors you can easily see that it is thicker and bigger so added gvm won't be an issue.

[@trickster8635]

That spy photo shows hub-caps on all four wheels and could be hiding full-float axle shafts? The rear track looks wider than standard, judging by the flares over the wheels and could be a wider rear housing too. Of course, optioned with a space-cab would allow more load ahead of the rear axle centre, and a 2.4m long tray would suit the fleet demand too.

[@lindsaycallanan6350]

Fully floating rear axle and xtra cab and ideally 2.4m long tray would be perfect 👌

[@reubs91]

@@trickster8635 it’s based on the Raptor footprint.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Most 6-Wheel Utes (3 axles) are not 6x6 however as they usually just add a lazy axle at the rear making them a 6x4.

[@L2SFBC]

True. But the best ones are 6x6!

[@davidholmes3323]

Great opinion piece. The analysis, from the few known facts, seems pretty good.

[@JoelDean-f9n]

Love the Ram limited with 4wheel air suspension for towing , you won’t have the same room and luxury you get in the Rams which is a big thing for people, it’s still a mid size cab

[@HardstylePete]

2025 Silverado HD is rated for 7,900kg towing whilst it weighs only 3,032kg in America. With the correct wheelbase you can tow with a lighter weight tow vehicle.

[@L2SFBC]

And correct trailer

[@blackpointer-oi9pg]

You are very correct some so called experts in Australia have only got a subjective view on this which is not correct.

[@mdharrisuiuc]

A ranger SD with 5th wheel or gooseneck should tow 4.5t no problems. With the tray being taken up by the trailer and room for it to swing it might prove a bit difficult to load the vehicle up to gvm. I would not be bumper pulling a big, slab-sided caravan with one, although to be honest I'm personally not a huge fan of bumper pulling any big slab-sided trailers, especially when there's cross-winds. Given the choice I'd be going with a gooseneck on a minimal tray to tow off the bitumen. Lots of articulation while keeping trailer tongue weight over the rear axle, with much better trailer maneuvering before it jackknifes. My only question would be if the wheelbase is long enough to keep the trailer from crashing into the cab during tight turns.

[@lucasbarton7903]

Even if Ford do not offer extended wheelbase from factory, many engineering factories offer it for around $7k. That would be a formidable tow vehicle. Interesting to see where it fits with the F series though. Can't match the interior space of the F150 but obviously a better workhorse

[@fedswithful]

If I can have a super cab with a full tray length of a single cab, I'd buy it early next year. Also with 600kg constant load suspension.

[@AdventuringPals]

Great video mate. It’s got me excited for what’s to come.

[@L2SFBC]

Thank you, me too!

[@kadmow]

Extra or single cab is better suited to a HD pickup / Ute... (Licensing isn't my hassle a light vehicle HAS to be loaded heavier than the trailer it is towing (not GVM, actual weights) or it is not roadworthy - body trucks under 43tonne GXM also without "performance based standard", I already have a truck license (for anyone in a transport / construction job it is handy to get an upgraded (MR is pretty easy to get) license - it just allows you to say "yes, I can do that, a bit more often...

[@markfryer9880]

Ranger is already killing the market in total sales. If the Super Duty version happens, then other manufacturers will be in trouble, as will after market manufacturers. It will be interesting to see the developments. Mark from Melbourne Australia

[@michaelpreston9840]

Hi, My 2019 XL super cab hi rider has over 1400kg payload ??

[@malglasspool9302]

Market has been crying out for this, come on toyota, I hope it is well engineered, ford will be on a winner

[@rrphotography3600]

Before the launch of the next gen ranger there were some spy photos taken of a lwb just like you photoshopped. It would be a very interesting option in the market. Agree that it's surprising for Ford to make competition for its own vehicles.

[@reubs91]

Rip landcruiser and light trucks.

[@thataustralian4078]

rip 4wding hello pavement princess central

[@sakomeow]

Okay, not semi trucks, but specifically Ford Super Duty trucks - extremely common to tow well in excess of the vehicle mass, even while not using a gooseneck hitch.

[@L2SFBC]

Yes but look at their wheelbase. Their overhang is not 50% of wheelbase like Ranger. Makes a big difference.

[@kadmow]

- purty funny , yes, the ability to drive an F450 with a 40000lb trailer (18.18 tonnes) without a Commercial Drivers License - ie. no truck license needed, is a bit unique (Max GVWR 16500 lb, 7500kg - Kerb weight 8000lb , 3.63 tonnes ) Our Truck Licensing kicks in right at 4.5 tonnes GVM - regardless if the purpose of use is personal or commercial - Enroute Weigh Bridges and Logbooks become mandatory at 8 and 12 tonnes (8.8 and 13.23 US-tons)

[@steveallen1340]

I wonder if they will need to add more cooling and/or lower the power output. Not sure if the current cooling package meets Ford’s requirements when loaded to 8 tonnes.

[@L2SFBC]

Definitely, cooling is the issue!

[@lowtech_1]

Fyi , 6000kgs GCM in NZ , on car license. Id like a Ranger Super Duty, be great for towing.

[@Nosaesoh]

🇦🇺👀 looking for sub $90k on the road. Drive train may be PHEV for weight and power? Safety may include 360 cameras, Tow Mode. I’m grey nomad. Will never tow more than 3.5T, so will be great to have an off the shelf solution.

[@L2SFBC]

Can't see it being PHEV, there's the PHEV Ranger for that

[@gruffystrawbry2715]

The G300 professional could do 1900kg. shame Benz didn't back it properly in Aus.

[@fredio54]

LWB dually Ranger would be sweet.

[@dallasfrost1996]

@@fredio54 Agreed, that would be perfect, it'd be like a mini F-350 dually.

[@kromey111]

So what you are saying if the ute is at kerb weight approx 2800kg you should only tow around 2500kg ? But if you load it up to say 4000kg you can tow around 3500kg ?

[@L2SFBC]

It does depend on the trailer, speed etc. But, generally, you want the trailer lighter than the towcar. However, in a 3000kg towcar I'd rather tow a 3000kg car trailer than a 2500kg caravan which is poorly balanced.

[@mitchcoleman5566]

Being aimed at fleets it may have options like the current super duties like longer wheel base options and or different class types For different weights or tasks and should definitely come in space cab and single variants Like f550 and others specifically aimed at the fleet markets in the US I think ford would absolutely be silly not to have a wildtrak model or some sort of luxury model to sell to the domestic market I believe the f150 is a bandaid to stop the bleeding of market loss due to the other American pick ups that have taken up the current space this vehicle intends to take on I’m keen to see what they do as it’s full of potential for so many markets domestic and commercial

[@dallasfrost1996]

@@mitchcoleman5566 Yeah, It would be awesome to see a Ranger Superduty 'Max' variant which has the extended wheelbase/chassis with a dual rear wheel (dually) setup. Basically a mini F-350 dually.

[@CM303898]

Can’t see it becoming a triple axle because Ford already make do with their other Super Duty’s using just two axles. All the points you make are good and I agree with. I think I made the same comment regarding NVES on your Facebook post too. The spy photos from Dearborn showed the test mule running on LT275/70R18 tyres - which are 33.2” - meaning many recreational users will jump to 35” tyres. If they are priced well, they will absolutely decimate the “full-size” conversion market. Why pay $115,000 or $150,000 for a lesser capable pickup when $85,000-$95,000 will do more? If the Ranger Super Duty enters with an XLT level spec and the demand from recreational users is there for higher spec trim variants, the ability for the factory to do the fit out will be easy to add new variants. I would also hope a longer wheelbase is forthcoming. Maybe a 30cm increase so it would still fit in a standard 6x6 garage.

[@L2SFBC]

Yes longer wheelbase doesn't mean greater length.

[@natebetcha8059]

I wouldn't be surprised if they used the F150 3.5 petrol turbo engine, already capable of towing 4500kg...would make a lot of sense..

[@L2SFBC]

I don't think fleets are ready for petrol

[@CM303898]

@@natebetcha8059 can’t see that happening. The 5.7L V8 in the Ram 1500 has 556Nm. The 6.2L V8 in the Silverado 1500 has 624Nm. Why wouldn’t the 3.0L TV6 in the current Rangers and Everests be enough with 600Nm?

[@L2SFBC]

It would be plenty. Bigger trucks have less powerful engines.

[@simonhjc]

Hi Robert, ive been a rusted on Toyota owner, was toyota australias auctioneer. Ive owned every model from 40 up to 300 and all the utes. Last year i sold my 79 and got away from the 300 and bought a hilux tonsee if incan live with the 2.8/auto. I can. However i cant come to terms with the 70s anymore or the 300 I think toyota have lost the plot. 4 inch track issue with the 70, dreadful tailgate on the 300 and the new prados seating and rear cargo is a joke. The market needs a well sorted real GVM ute. One thats reliable, with quiet sadety features (not all that dings and dongs) I also wish manufacturers wouldnt be “creative” with their 3.5 tonne towing. The hilux is rated that and it tows our heavy horse float poorly. Hevean help you with a van over 2.5 imo So I am keen to see this product. Ford need to sort the reliability out and they are on a winner

[@andyg9991]

Wouldn't be hard to extend the wheelbase. Ssangyong do it with the Musso, so I cant see why Ford couldn't do it.

[@VMVarga-yf6eg]

Will be interesting if they stick with the same engine

[@grahamkearnon6682]

Six wheeler would be perfect for a flatbed camper, you didn't mention the F550 superduty, used by service companies and, the overlander crowd in N.America.

[@benmitchell8796]

Good work, once again!

[@vincentpoole7588]

R/P. As clearly described by yourself, this next product from Jim 'Ford' Farley will be bastardised Defender HC130 ! ! Using a US derived ratio Rule of Thumb, "trailer length measured in feet is to be multiplied by Five equates the required tow vehicle wheelbase in inches" ? ? V.

[@davidholmes3323]

Payload incrrase and heavy duty update makes sense.

[@operation4wheelz]

Most NGOs are replacing the 79s with a 6x6 converted Hilux or Dmax from what I’ve seen. Too many roll overs and insurance cover issues with poor safety ratings.

[@thisoldjeepcj5]

Great video. Thanks.

[@sydneyraj]

Tow heavy van alright, leave in campsite and go for off-roading. Good idea. Hang up the vehicle wedged on a hump due to poor ramp-over angle. Not a good idea?

[@markwinter4708]

Only 8000kgs? Seriously mate, you are a hard man to impress. 4 days ago if you said a Ranger could have an 8000kg GCM, people would have laughed at you.

[@L2SFBC]

It's relative...if it can two 4500kg and weight 4500kg, should be 8500kg+.

[@kadmow]

(irony lost)

[@kadmow]

- I saw this - interesting.. ??? Reinstate a decent sized diesel engine... "super duty" light truck - ie. lightweight but with a large payload. A simple way to "Superduty" the ranger is to add another axle - or merely throw in the F250 rear end (or add a 3rd axle in the existing ranger - with duallies as optional, hopefully they beef up the chassis a little, this is where GVM upgrades fail typically, they aren't really increasing the vehicle strength, merely the springs. (NB ranger chassis rails are wider (44" ~1117.6mm) in the rear than the F trucks, to allow a dually ranger with an F250 rear axle - it would need the 34" (863.6mm) F-truck chassis rails (rear) ...) Offroad 6x6 need a good load (long travel share) share between the rear axles or they get hung up / traction loss, quite easily... Fleets Do do GVM upgrade they buy NEW GVM upgraded vehicles with ARB or other "ex factory" upgrade kits added before first registration/sale - secondary manufacture.

[@L2SFBC]

I know they do GVM upgrades but they would rather not. Duallies do not work offroad.

[@steely1neverwane]

@@L2SFBC Tell that to TrailMater

[@kadmow]

@@L2SFBC - Yep Cheers, we have both concluded many times - Light Pickups / Utes, are badged for one purpose (to sell) and totally unsuited to the task many ask them to do. (NB, I - think i recall - ... did take quite a bit of time telling how "Super Duty" is more on-highway focused (Dually is highway focused for load carrying)... Typical USA Pickups also "do not work offroad" in Australia (heard said, seen stuck, anecdote proven, lol..)- full width trucks are not suited to many of our technical tracks... (Of course one can take a 4x4 dually F350 across the simpson desert, just to prove "it works" - then try a deeply eroded scramble "Up the Cape" - and show how one can get really stuck....) - NB, I have also seen 6x6 setups "totally unsuited" to offroad - due to stupidly under engineered "dynamic" energy management (getting stuck on some off camber pavement would be a case of "not well done"). - always several issues at the core of "transportation problem" - the average bogans (think they) want to carry truck-type loads without getting a truck, or learning how to drive one... (Spend the right $$ up front or spend it slowly in replacement parts.) I think it is the ADR (law) regarding the Trailer not weighing more than the Towing vehicle - ( Heavy vehicle Performance Engineering Certificates notwithstanding..) The average "outback caravaning beard stroker" - likes to think they are above any sort of "Physics" case...

[@79series]

The equivalent late model Holden Colorado / dmax dual cab, light duty Chevy something in US got the space cab tub on their dualcabs, meaning a longer chassis than the Aus dualcab. Maybe Ford could do the equivalent to get better loading capabilities.

[@lengerer]

Big payload means no novated leases for buyers. Thats a huge market for utes. I think big payload is a small, niche market compared to overall sales.

[@gw5436]

Farmers mate. Like us. We use Landcruiser, they are a POS and an insult to buyers. Keen to see this Ranger variant.

[@L2SFBC]

Most Rangers are over 1000kg only the Wildtrak Tremor and Raptor are under

[@SpeedSmith]

longer wheel base Yes, 6x6 no unless longer wheel base also. What would be the tow capacity if you connected it to a 5th wheeler like they do a lot in USA?

[@ford4x4]

How much will it cost? Fleets need something cheap, hopefully they make it afFordable

[@L2SFBC]

No idea on costs

[@davemangle6448]

A 6x6 would put it in a league of its own, and would be a game changer . I can’t see it happening though

[@kromey111]

When you say vehicle should weigh more than towing weight is that referring to vehicles kerb weight or when weight is added ?

[@L2SFBC]

When towing so including load. It is a general rule. A 4t caravan is usually a lot more difficult to tow than say a 4t mini excavator.

[@kromey111]

@@L2SFBCok so if you load Ute up to 4500kg GVM no issue towing 3500kg van ?

[@gsd4me00]

When you say 6x6, do you really mean 6x4 with a lazy axle on the rear, or real 6x6 with all wheels capable of driving?

[@L2SFBC]

I mean 6x6 all wheels driven

[@Sabumnim666]

so explain to me how the f150 weighs less than it can tow much the same as the other 150 class trucks yet I do not recall you mentioning that as an issue in those vehicles.

[@L2SFBC]

I have been consistent on this point for quite a while. The F 150 also has a long wheelbase and is heavier than Ranger. Still should be heavier though.

[@vitalys5395]

The f150 has a much wider track and the wheelbase is much longer, with the rear axle being much closer to the tow bar. The distance between the tow bar and rear axle makes a huge difference to directional stability, almost as more than the wheel base and the weight upfront.

[@Sabumnim666]

@@vitalys5395 The tow bar is closer to the axle than the f150? I think not but it may be true

[@frankensteinsgarage9632]

GCM limit set at 8,000kg to keep it registered as a car is my guess.

[@saff226]

You càn have 9t GCM in most states 13.5 in some

[@MichaelCsikos]

Does a 6x6 require a truck licence regardless of GVM?

[@L2SFBC]

No

[@MichaelCsikos]

@@L2SFBC If the GVM was 4550 kg to avoid the emissions tax, I think it would actually require a HR licence, which is a bit absurd, of course.

[@davidholmes3323]

Still not a fan of any dual cab that has the tow hitch that far behind the rear axle centreline towing more than the vehicle weighs. Most trailers are "Pig Trailer" type. Pitch, Yaw and Centre of Gravity. IE: physics, does not help.

[@L2SFBC]

Yep!

[@NoharaLoco-gw8ld]

Yeah, yet ANOTHER Ranger I cannot buy. Thanks for rubbing it in Australia. Seriously, I don't want a giant full size truck and this ticks all of my boxes but NOOOOOOOOO, ford says "you already have the bloated f-150 so no you can't have this or the hybrid" From a large section of American truck guys to Ford "Go F^&$ yourself!" Love to the Aussie brothers tho.

[@CatFinder3000]

Cool

[@doublehelix109]

now that lancruiser has gone down the toilet, its a no brainer

[@TopOfTheRiverKangarooisland]

Typical comment from a blue collar poverty worker😅

[@williampisano7573]

Hope they make the ranger hybrid we have the Maverick hybrid and gets 40mpg in the states. China 🇨🇳 is invade Australia so think 🤔 hybrid Likely. Maverick is getting 4,000lbs towing and 4x4 for the hybrid it’s like the old ranger cheap and efficient truck 🛻 but still no two door 7 ft bed for maverick

[@davidscott820]

Hilarious that you deleted my comment. Wrong car mate. The new Ranger Super Duty has been seen testing in Melbourne. Designed by Ford Australia and being built in Thailand. It's basically a 4 door Ranger with a longer wheel base with the Space cab tub on it. I can show you photos.

[@L2SFBC]

I didn't delete your comment. Sometimes YT does that. Did you swear?

[@davidscott820]

@L2SFBC nope. Didn't swear. Will you accept a facebook link to a post that Ford Australia put up?

[@L2SFBC]

I'll accept any link, whether YT will or not is another matter!

[@rebekahm4919]

Thats a raptor not a super duty . Super duty are two door only

[@L2SFBC]

It's leaf sprung

[@mvp272]

We dnt need 4door

[@danielvasil1564]

If I was you I’ll get rid of the electric hunk of junk as ford is even scarpering the electric trucks. As hydrogen keeps people who build gear box transmissions, Exhaust and if ford is smart and uses a icb engine that runs on hydrogen keeps not only keeps factory people in jobs but also mechanics. And older classic cars can be transferred to run hydrogen

[@thelonewolf666]

what a joke--- just buy a f250

[@trickymon]

Way too much guessing . Let me know when you have genuine information

[@mitchell5064]

No shit mate. His going off what’s ford has told us. It was just revealed

[@Secretlyanothername]

The information is in the photos at the end. The rest is yapping, and I'm not sure why he goes on about things that aren't in that video

[@trickymon]

@ then what’s the point anyone can guess and make it up you flogger