The Duggars #1

[@no_peace]

If a kid is raised by another kid then both kids are being neglected

[@piptig5327]

yes! If you haven't got enough time to be a parent to each of your kids then you have too many

[@criticalthinkingconcubus]

The sad reality is older siblings are always expected to be free nannies. When I was in elementary school, I had a friend who was always responsible for her younger sister. She had to take her everywhere, even on play dates.

[@amyshort5625]

@@criticalthinkingconcubus as a mom with 2 boys, I do not make my oldest go anywhere with his brother if he doesn't want to

[@emilydouglas5671]

exactly. i have a friend who mothers her siblings while her mom lives her best life. i hate it for her.

[@alynsak]

Exactly. Maybe don't have so many damn kids that you can't take care of them all. Kids are not nannies. They should be kids for as long as they can. She's literally making these kids grow up so fast that they don't even realize whats happening.

[@mountainhun]

Yikes, they don't hug their kids? That means most of their physical interactions with their kids is when they're being punished. Imagine the only physical contact you've had with your mother is when she's beating you with a rod.

[@ss75691]

At one point in my childhood, that’s basically every interaction I had with my mom. She is schizophrenic and crazy religious.

[@victoriehughes4565]

holy shit i didn’t even think about this... you’re so right

[@melz6625]

@@ss75691 I’m so sorry this happened to you. You deserved so much better. Love and understanding. I hope you were able to disengage, stay safe and find means to process. I hope watching this isn’t triggering too much.

[@mameden4463]

I’m not defending them, but there’s a clip of Michelle hugging Josiah when he was a child at one of her pregnancy announcements...?

[@clare2540]

I think it's okay if it's the kids choice, like for instance if they aren't fond of physical contact. But yeah, if they're getting smacked that's not great....

[@MochiA24]

Buddy system = You had too many kids to give individual attention to so make them raise each other instead

[@oppaloopa3698]

Literally my fuckin childhood. If you don’t wanna take care of a kid then don’t have one. Your eldest children are still children.

[@piagebot2943]

@@oppaloopa3698 dont have one let alone 19

[@Deleted-nl9pk]

Parentification (I don’t know how to spell it) ... too many of us experience this

[@SmellyJannelley]

THIIIIIS!!

[@allisonnicole1659]

Child neglect and emotional abuse with more steps

[@laurenconrad1799]

"I think all girls suffer from body image issues. Life's too short to never have a chocolate chip cookie." I'm pretty sure that's the only thing Michelle Duggar ever said and ever will say that I agree with. lol

[@cam7135]

i don’t agree with anything she says really but i am proud of her since she has come out with the fact that she had a severe ed & suffered heavily from bulimia in her younger years. so i’m happy for her for overcoming that, everything else is...🤢

[@rachelk4805]

I disagree. I think saying all girls suffer from body issues just normalizes hating your body. If you have body issues, that is ok, but it shouldn't just be an expectation.

[@walkingexistentaldread3079]

@@rachelk4805 it probably could’ve been worded better. i think what michelle was (hopefully) saying was that too many little girls suffer from body image issues and there’s no reason to feel guilty over eating enjoyable food. but yeah, you’re right. we shouldn’t tell young girls that they’re basically weird if they don’t hate themselves.

[@laurenconrad1799]

@@rachelk4805 I definitely see your point. I feel like we live in a society where almost all girls have dealt with body image issues, but we should strive for a society where that doesn’t happen.

[@Onyx421]

Same lol

[@knilai4355]

they dress modest to “protect themselves from men” yet their own brother sexually assaulted them. it just proves it doesn’t matter what you’re wearing, some people are just perverts.

[@beaglesss7075]

Yes it does.

[@clovely5908]

@@beaglesss7075 how would u explain what the brother did to his young sisters? (some of his sisters were as young as 5year old)

[@tabitha4048]

He wasn’t born a “pervert” though. It proves that neglect and abuse and raising children on repressive cults breeds further traumas and abuse. Whether he was abused as a kid too or just raised in a sex negative household.... dysfunction breeds dysfunction sadly

[@beaglesss7075]

@@tabitha4048 This just looks like a normal family honestly. When the mother was yelling at her child, I didn’t see anything wrong with it. Obviously she wants to look better on camera and not let people see her telling her child how to act. Big families usually have cousins who do this, as hard as it is to believe. But the kids don’t report it. It’s because the kids go unchecked. That’s not my point though, I was just saying that women should dress modest if they want to protect themselves from men.

[@roxane1237]

@@beaglesss7075 Are you seriously trying to defend pedocriminality?

[@wiichannel0118]

Michelle being married to Jim Bob in 1984 makes a lot of sense. I imagine since she married him he hasn't let her progress in society in any capacity since. Even her hair is stuck in 1984.

[@Neo_Geisha]

I was thinking the same thing. Lol.

[@peddlingfalsehoods6321]

they haven't progressed since 1860, apparently

[@jclantagne]

her hair is like that because the head of their church believes that women with curly longhair are attractive

[@EmilTay]

Yes. Those 360 bangs 🤣

[@aerielblair8333]

Damn yeah... Definitely weird when you think of it that way...

[@coffin_qt]

They’re so grossly possessive of their children’s bodies.

[@spants1058]

Yes! Even after they’re married smh

[@raaaaaaarr]

I'll take it a step further and say I got the vibe during the bees talk with the son, that the father was molested by his doctor who 'taught him and his wife everythong' and wrote a book. He passed this book to his son.. As if his son is a virgin, the dad should have been aware he is not seeing he's constantly watching porn and flicking with the family. The dad knows, sees he's completed the cycle of abuse by passing on his own issues and giving this illusion of power to his son. Ew.

[@maya.2867]

The fact that I know them personally disgusts me

[@nikkid7963]

Everything they do is just not normal.

[@izabiza03]

@@maya.2867 How do you know them personally?

[@emilybarclay8831]

‘Her funeral was broadcast on TLC’ that tells you everything you need to know about this family

[@ninamartinez5596]

She died?

[@ninamartinez5596]

Oh, the grandma😅my bad

[@reginageorge5409]

dancing is sinful and they don’t even allow front hugs until marriage but somehow were able to gloss over and forgive josh for molesting the girls. make it make sense.

[@josephp.1919]

Its always hypocrisy with those kinds of people.

[@jturtle5318]

The girls are supposed to apologize for leading them astray.

[@MagickalMermaid]

Just like Jehovah's Witnesses.

[@emilylister7851]

@@jturtle5318 that’s awful

[@Moonchild77777]

IM SAYING THO!!!!

[@giselle.negron]

Bruh, if birth control causes abortion how did the mom literally have 2 kids while on the pill??

[@chipotlelover69]

Bc Jesus go brrr

[@Mmmgregmmm]

Lmaooooooo

[@emilym9390]

@@chipotlelover69 LMFAO

[@suddenlystarlit]

I mean Josh was the surviving kid, so I would only hope that Jesus was in control there. (/s)

[@FIRING_BLIND]

Wait she did?! That's TERRIFYING

[@Malibu-fr9ti]

No one is talking about the atheist guy. He was super respectful and let him talk and respected his view even though Duggar didn’t. Props to that dude.

[@Icefang2014]

I feel like atheists are usually the ones who tend to be open minded and respectful more so than super religious people tbh but I might just be biased cause I’m an atheist haha

[@misstweetypie1]

Lol, I feel like he was taking the tactic of "just nod and smile". He knows that there's no getting through to them, so easier just to let them say their piece and then back away slowly :D

[@motherintoronto]

@@Icefang2014 I think it depends. I come from the UK and my parents are atheists and my grandparents are atheists and my great-grandparents stopped attending church as children. I'm an atheist. I was patient and respectful when I moved to the US and dealt with Christians at first. After a couple of years, I decided fuck it. I don't care anymore. I just want them to shut the fuck up. They don't respect me or my family or our traditions or our views. They can sit on red hot pokers.

[@Icefang2014]

@@motherintoronto yeah I completely get that. I’m from the US and grew up religious but eventually realized I didn’t believe anything and identified as an atheist. But religious people here are very rude a lot of times or just don’t respect people who don’t follow their religion. Like people bring up their religion too much to me and I try to be respectful and say I’m an atheist and they almost get like offended when they hear I’m not religious. But it can be hard to stay respectful when they’re not respectful back

[@violetindigo2770]

@@Icefang2014 Atheists unironically virtue-signal more so than the super-religious people like you are doing right now

[@jessk3910]

"If it doesn't leave a mark, its not abuse" is a statement that abusers make.

[@hanatemonstas4485]

These people go to seminars that train parents how to abuse their kids without leaving marks. It’s disgusting.

[@sancho8635]

"if its not a closed fist its not abuse" ... things ive heard ...

[@end0r.a]

survivorship bias is also huge when people make those statements. "i got hit and i'm fine" so therefore it's ok to abuse others because you're "fine"???

[@goingunder2548]

They only hold themselves back on not leaving a mark so it's less of a pain in the ass to cover it for school etc. So I'm sure these homeschooled kids get beat particularly bad.

[@geer8315]

I can't stand when other women speak in that soft, almost drugged out cadence like they don't want to upset the men-folk by raising their voices or something!!!! its so creepy!!!! honey no!!!!!

[@neonflower66]

what about women who struggle with social anxiety? It's not that I want to conform to gender stereotypes you know

[@geer8315]

@@neonflower66 I get that! I also have anxiety but I think it matters if that anxiety is just general or if it's caused by men or male behavior ya know

[@charlie-jd3ls]

i thought the same thing it’s such a clear indication that they are being brainwashed and it’s disturbing

[@GC-fj4lc]

I've noticed that in Evangelical sects and it usually (ironically) screams "my husband won't let me have a personality."

[@strawberryotterwings]

fr me too her voice both disturbs and enrages me

[@kenseihaup]

“We don’t shake body parts, just touch them without consent”

[@enterprisingbiosphere3933]

@Sarah Jo 20:37

[@enterprisingbiosphere3933]

@Sarah Jo 21:16

[@enterprisingbiosphere3933]

@Sarah Jo sorry i don't read youtube text when i'm watching tiktok videos. 🤷🏻‍♀️ its just not my thing. 😕

[@bibelobordelon3276]

oVeR tHe ClOTheS🙄 hE hAd JuST tUrnED 15... Fuckin weirdos

[@themeanvirgo]

💀💀💀

[@heather_be_thy_name8572]

Love the irony of Michelle thinking all sex offenders wanna go into female facilities but her oldest SON is the one she should be worried about 😳

[@abutterfly7975]

Carpet sweeping deniars.

[@giabarrone7422]

She is, that is why they lock all the girls into a single bedroom at night,.

[@tiffiwall]

That's probably a contributing factor to why she's so worried about men honestly

[@HayleighPaige]

@@tiffiwall honestly you’re probably so right and that’s really tragic

[@88Tex]

What?! All sex offenders should be shot instantly. Their son should also be on that list. I really don’t understand what’s your point

[@trickymarigold]

They let their son SEXUALLY ASSAULT Their daughter and then tried to claim trans people are predators. These guys are the worst kind of people. Also the quickness with which the dad called up the technicalities of his sons assault and how he is a pedophile because of his age makes my skin crawl. Who knows that info just off the top of their head?

[@yaguchimarippe9449]

"i can excuse my son sexually abusing his sisters and getting arrested for having csem on his computer but I draw the line at trans people existing"

[@mayjailerxx]

Most literally, the call is coming from INSIDE THE DAMN HOUSE!?

[@alwaystired1]

@@mayjailerxx it almost ALWAYS is when it comes to conservatives

[@avery4818]

the thing is pedophilia can be shown in children bc its not just a thing that happens after 18. i really wish he couldve been given help instead of letting him just DO these things bc "oh well hes a kid so its not a problem"

[@alwaystired1]

@@avery4818 what kind of weird apologia is this? You can't be a pedo under 18, that's not how it works. He was a creep his whole life and that probably had to do with being raised by deranged freaks with a breeding and child neglect fetish.

[@breeharv]

Them poor sisters covered up, never dance, never did anything sexual and still got touched by their brother. I feel so sorry for them. Their minds are so stuck on making the girls be pure and don’t even care about teaching them boys!

[@Houseofbjds]

It's really just sad and fucked up not doing anything and feel so bad for the girls not doing any of those things.

[@sholem_bond]

That's pretty much Christian "purity" culture in a nutshell.

[@Houndoomgirl77]

@@sholem_bond they aren't standard denominational christians so no 🙄 they are in a purity-cult called the quiverfull movement and theres many videos about this. They are NOT allowed to say the name of this movement publically so they use "christian" as a catch all phrase to be publically accepted so they can push their beliefs. Its not the same and its gross and down right insulting to compare

[@SanMartianRover]

What? You mean they didn't DRESS PROVOCATIVELY or HANG OUT WITH THE WRONG CROWDS or DRINK TO EXCESS or BE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF TOWN when they were molested and raped? But.. surely there is SOME way we can blame the victim here or else my whole world view will shrivel up and fall out of my ass.

[@gummibearzrule]

That's what happens when you're raised to think about everything you do in the context of sex and that you won't get to do it until the day you're married and then a woman will have to give it to you whenever you want even if she does not consent.

[@sammiegirl883]

“The buddy system” is called parentification and it’s a form of abuse.

[@realPrettySarah]

I didn’t know that! I thought it was a good thing because it teaches kids how to take care of themselves and others. Everyday’s a school day

[@CamillaRules892]

I don’t think it’s that bad to be honest. We’re just use to nuclear family dynamics so it seems odd.

[@TwoCagedBirds]

@@CamillaRules892 Its one thing if a kid is changing a diaper here and there or feeding a baby every now and then. Its a completely different thing when older kids are having to watch after multiple younger kids, having to make sure they're fed, having to make sure they've got clothes, etc. and doing all of this stuff to the point that they aren't able to be kids themselves. Tons of people who had to take care of their younger siblings have said that they do not want kids of their own because of how much they had to do it as a kid. EDIT: And what makes it even worse, is that these kids are homeschooled. So, they are like never able to get away from the house and just have fun. Always having to take care of the younger siblings, always having to help around the house, and then the schooling on top of everything else. The only time they can get out of the house is probably when they go to Church. It means those kids are extremely isolated. They never really come into contact with people outside of their family, church, etc. Which is like the whole fucking point of these cults. They want to keep the young people and kids away from people who aren't like them, away from the "sinners" and people who could "tempt" them. And that's why it pisses me off so much when people are like "Oh just let those religious groups do whatever they want." because it makes it extremely easy for these religious groups whether they're fundies, JWs, Amish, etc. to hide all of the emotional, physical, sexual abuse that's happening behind closed doors.

[@lilialotus8115]

@@CamillaRules892 That’s a lot of pressure to put on a child. They’re not the ones that got pregnant, so their siblings shouldn’t be their responsibility outside of occasional baby sitting. I’d also worry about older kids hitting their younger siblings.

[@realPrettySarah]

@@lilialotus8115 @Michelle Davies you two have good points, the kids are being adults when they should be children

[@jacimartin8384]

They need to stop worrying about transgender women and worry more about their own sons. What the hell? The dad was excusing his sons behavior... "he's just curious" tf?

[@Houseofbjds]

I know right not letting them be themselves is fucked up .

[@maryannetesh4105]

But Josh really knows how to use his amazing fingers in those ladies.

[@shaylaryce8990]

It blew my mind. “We don’t want transgenders to use bathrooms bc we want to protect children” but what abt their daughters? The way they excused his behaviour made me sick. Those poor girls. ://

[@FeministCatwoman]

Love that the hypocrisy and irony is lost on them lmfao, I'd call her back so fast "so abusing children and little girls is ok for your cisgender straight son, but you wanna worry about trans kids?? gtfo!"

[@hugs_nicolle7263]

@@shaylaryce8990 because it’s a pattern someone molested the son...probably the father !!!!!!

[@bethanybrowne3803]

The fact that TLC continued to give this family a platform after finding out that the parents covered up their children’s molestation is beyond fu$&ed up.

[@spoiledmilk8888]

Money

[@jennifersavoy8464]

I would like to imagine the kids might have been safer (at least a little of the time) with the film crews there. But I don't know if that is true :(

[@biancadesousa]

On Honey Boo Boo apparently the dad was very abusive toward the kids but if you watch the show he's like the happy wholesome dad who just supports his kids. TLC definitely covered it up, they have a history of doing this

[@twerkwork102]

It actually breaks my heart when Duggar "fans" are wringing their hands wondering why the oldest girl (Jana?) is not yet married or interested in courting. UM she is prolly still traumatized from her creepy ass brother and he should be locked up btw !

[@QueenDramaVevo]

@noona agreed. I grew up watching the show and i was always pretty weirded out by their whole process, especially how they handled marriage and child care

[@corypowercat7277]

She wanted to go to college but Jim Bob made her go to a re-program camp. So she got brain washed. She’s also being kept at the house as a maid.

[@TehMomo_]

@@corypowercat7277 that's awful...

[@Houseofbjds]

@@corypowercat7277 that's so fucked up shes getting brain washed and manipulated as well can't not be wired and get into some some amazing hobbies.

[@victoriadiesattheend.8478]

It's my belief she is either asexual or gay

[@stephaniemorrissey123]

I absolutely hate the fact that the parents act like EVERY pregnancy is this big surprise. The REAL surprise announcement would be that she WASN'T pregnant and this madness is coming to an end.

[@prieltheprune1302]

😂

[@delrosario7453]

At least they're not immortal

[@corypowercat7277]

It’s gross they taught their daughters to be nothing but baby factories and the one daughter who wanted to go to school (Jana) was sent to a re-program camp.

[@corypowercat7277]

No they aren’t immortal but their cult and legacy is.

[@delrosario7453]

@@corypowercat7277 I hope not presuming no legacy will last forever as our planet succumbs to the sun eventually

[@nina.robbs565]

"mom cannot be everywhere at all times" maybe... if you can't raise all of your kids.... don't have so many???

[@nina.robbs565]

@Meghan I understand that, a parent shouldn't be expected to do everything for a child. but when your children start raising each other, it becomes a bit too extreme and more neglectful

[@shirokiro9081]

@Meghan Except they are raising them. Their mother breastfeeds the child and then once they’re a toddler the older siblings have to take care of them until the kids are of age (they call it the buddy system). Having to babysit once in a while is one thing, but having to clothe, feed, discipline, your siblings for your entire childhood is neglect.

[@AbbiWagers]

@Meghan she has 19 children... that’s less then a hour a day she could possibly be individually spending with the children. That’s not healthy.

[@AbbiWagers]

@Meghan its even stated in the video, the “buddies” will help brush their teeth, do their hair, get them ready, even teach them!? That’s all things the PARENT is supposed to be doing. Mathematically there’s not enough time in a day for one women to parent all these children, it’s simply just not possible.

[@randid7978]

@Meghan yeah not really sure why you’re defending them. Older siblings helping younger siblings is normal and good for both parties. This is pretty clearly not what they’re doing

[@karnagekarnival5127]

Pretending "modesty" will stop sexual assault has the exact same effect as telling someone on a tightrope to not look down.

[@69Satan69]

Or it's like saying that if you don't always wear a helmet, then you're asking to get a concussion.

[@jasonlee8156]

If they are concerned about modesty then why not just wear a hijab and those long black gowns that are fashionable in muslim countries?

[@ReginaApple007]

It's interesting bc young girls in NY wear XL t-shirts over their bar hopping outfits on the subway to stop harassment and SA so you could argue it works to an extent.

[@hanatemonstas4485]

@@jasonlee8156It doesn’t work either way. Though I’m sure in their minds, they view themselves as less extreme.

[@marygolds]

growing up as a homeschooler who went to church occasionally, my mom was very unpopular among the local homeschool groups for not allowing duggars in the house. I remember her saying "any family with that many kids has got to have some kind of abuse." low and behold mom was very right.

[@marygolds]

@@fastkarr8256 no not really, they were attached to a local christian homeschool group where students were taught accredited fine arts and sciences, we left after one of my teachers was ostracized due to her divorce.

[@oddeyes9413]

Well, as much as it may at times frustrate us, our parents are right. I was also a home school kid. It's hard to fit the mold.

[@theGobFather17]

100%! As a survivor of my very Catholic, homeschooled family of seven, abuse, neglect and trauma go hand in hand. The Duggar’s were pretty much idolized. We had friends with seven, eight, ten kids. I was either too young or avoiding the church when this was going down but I’ll bet there were defenders on Catholic mommy blogs and facebook

[@erinstanger416]

I used to live in Fayetteville as well, and I know that the people there avoid the Duggar’s. Their church is especially infamous for child abuse.

[@beatm6948]

Im always suspicious of large families. I do think there's lovely ones, but one of the best ways to tell is seeing how the oldest member (or oldest girl in all honesty) feels about the family. Theyre usually the ones who take the brunt of it.

[@aimee1123]

josh talking about “taking the lives of innocent babies” when he literally took the childhood away from girls who *were* born...

[@blankabontovics7063]

And they also support the death penalty like?? Make it make sense 😭😂

[@victarodactyl]

@@blankabontovics7063 maybe they believe babies are innocent and certain types of criminals are not, who knows

[@nikolatovar9884]

​@@victarodactyl Who knows? Definitely not you.

[@junkmalme]

Raised fundie. OK, so the thinking goes that the unborn haven't sinned and therefore being born is compulsory. Yep, I said that right. Some fundies believe that miscarriage/stillbirth is punishment for the parents. (Unclear on whether the Duggars do, though some statements point to yes). Anywho. People who have been convicted of a capital crime are just getting what they deserve with the death penalty. It's as simple as that. On sa toward young women, he knows he shouldn't have but confess and say you're sorry and it all goes away. Forgiven. Done and dusted.

[@victarodactyl]

@@nikolatovar9884 how could you possibly know that i definitely dont know?

[@freakinfiretruckxx]

I feel Jana doesn't want to settle because she's been taking care of young kids almost her whole life. She's probably sick of it.

[@sunnybaudelaire9384]

Shes recently been the only woman Duggar to start her own business, I hope she can keep that up because she seems like she enjoys it, and it's amazing to see an independent Duggar. I really hope for the best for her

[@Jen-wq3jj]

Her Name is Jana

[@selinakyle_]

You can even see it in her face, when you watch the series.

[@ploopydiper]

I’m so happy she’s away from them

[@bibliophile418]

I sense a subtle passive rebellion in her...like "if all I can do to resist is just not get married then that's what I'm gonna do"

[@dinnercakes]

The “prayer closet” really scares me. My mind immediately went to it being for disciplinary purposes, as in, “You’re gonna go in there and pray about what you did.”

[@calinasagilitypartner4444]

It has a "Mommy Dearest" vibe, right?

[@tammalone1830]

My mind went to the movie Carrie

[@Emma88178]

@@tammalone1830 And the book it was based on (which was even scarier than the movie version)

[@smolshay]

"We're expecting number 18!" You can see the looks on some of the kid's faces. They look upset and trying to hide it, or look completely dejected. Their parents make them mothers and fathers to their younger siblings, and they all just want a break. But no, mom and dad just /have/ to push another baby out of the coochie cannon for some reason.

[@liiviiosa]

jasjksnsbh coochie cannon 💀💀

[@aishanikomath3836]

COOCHIE CANNON

[@cake2939]

COOCHIE CANNON

[@josephp.1919]

The reason is that they want to create a "god army" to fight the heathens. That's the entire purpose. They want to outbreed the non believers.

[@makenacolihan1880]

COOCHIE🥵🥵CANON😏😏😩😩

[@HarvardChickie]

It should be noted one of his campaign points was to make child molesters eligible for the death penalty which is rather ironic considering what his son did. Things that make you go hmmm...

[@BunnyEars357]

Also ironic that he retired from campaigning around that time. Hmm

[@madisahn7]

What did his son do?

[@BreannaBaozi]

@@madisahn7 His son inappropriately touched the other members of the family without consent. “He [Josh] said he was just curious about girls and he had gone in and just basically touched them over their clothes while they were sleeping; they didn’t even know he had done it,” Jim Bob Duggar told Fox News. This was when he was a teenager more than 10 years ago. There were 4 girls in the family that were victim, including a babysitter. Josh said he confessed to his parents years after it happened. It's just ironic how Jim Bob said that he'd want child molesters dead, then his own son came out as the thing he was advocating against.

[@JustLikeAFlower]

@@BreannaBaozi groping a babysitter

[@secretlyamazing]

Oh his son isn't one in his eyes

[@hannahkatlee]

Why jeans tho, like long track pants didn’t exist

[@letharja]

Right, just being quirky for attention

[@rexruther4864]

Track pants aren’t modest enough

[@dinah1193]

@@rexruther4864 how?

[@wxracer23]

Latex is the devils cloth

[@rosieluvs777]

@@dinah1193 i'm guessing it's more revealing to curves and hugs the body etc.

[@MeBeCreepy]

“We’re expecting number 18!” The 9 month old in her arms: 👁👄👁

[@sararao8429]

She was so fertile while so many women struggle to conceive

[@RyosukeTakahashiRX7]

@@sararao8429 And? Nobody fucking cares. People can do with their bodies whatever they want.

[@RyosukeTakahashiRX7]

@Paper eater Okay default pfp. I think people can decide for themselves and don't need patronizing internet strangers trying to control them. Bodily autonomy is bodily autonomy. Just to make it clear, I agree with your general sentiment, but please take a fucking look at the person I responded to. Just because someone is fertile doesn't mean they owe anything to infertile people or should feel guilty about it. That's fucking disgusting.

[@RyosukeTakahashiRX7]

@Paper eater Hell no. The vibes I got from that person is shaming fertile people since there's infertile people who'd love to have their fertility. To an extent, it made me think of other folks who perceive fertility as a "blessing" and how everyone fertile should pop out kids instead of enjoying their childfree life, getting sterilized etc. It's shaming as in "Look how you aren't using your fertility when there's so many people struggling with that!". Obviously might be a reach, just trying to describe the vibes I got there. I'm kinda chronically online debating forced birthers and people who perceive motherhood as the be-all end-all for every single person who can get pregnant. Sick of it.

[@goingunder2548]

@@RyosukeTakahashiRX7 yes they can, doesn’t mean it isn’t incredibly dangerous and objectively neglectful to have so many children who are barely a year apart in age from each other. Not to mention that it can really fuck up a persons body having children back to back like that. There’s a reason doctors usually recommend 18 months before conceiving again

[@maomaobean]

when the scottish guy said he doesn’t believe in any kind of god the kids really looked at him like they didn’t know that was even an option 😭

[@samuraix558]

My dad was very similar to Jim Bob, but I only had *ten* siblings, so there was no TV show to help us. He got cps called on him twice, first by my mom's therapist, then by the therapist my parents made me go to after I s o m e h o w. ended up with an eating disorder and depression. Turns out, I'm not even a girl.

[@corypowercat7277]

I wonder how they’ll feel about any of the pagan religions?

[@ameliaj8791]

Because they’re raised in a bubble of believers lol

[@tatiannawhite8096]

@@samuraix558 HOW!!!!

[@samuraix558]

@@tatiannawhite8096 ... How am I not a girl?

[@michelleboon7646]

It's like Jim Job couldn't recruit strangers into his cult so he birthed one instead...

[@tedaaa1217]

that’s what i’m saying...like a loophole where it’s easy to brainwash and influence starting at birth

[@nocturnerose7696]

They are actually a part of the quiver full cult

[@noahbartlett1296]

My Dad was part of the quiverfull cult and a couple other very similar to it, and he ruined my and my family’s life.....

[@nocturnerose7696]

@@noahbartlett1296 I'm so sorry you had to endure not just one cult, but multiple. I hope you're able to get yourself away from all of those situations and able to get some help 💜

[@noahbartlett1296]

@@nocturnerose7696 Yeah, I managed to finally get out this year! Actually looking forward to a life with my own choices and decisions!!

[@mattrost2574]

Serial breeding and child neglect should be prosecuted, not celebrated.

[@rachelk4805]

Isn't it funny how they want the state to get involved when it comes to abortion but not rampant, irresponsible reproduction.

[@user-vw2jq3to5e]

“Serial breeding” is such a great way to put it.

[@reynardfox962]

As long as people keep getting compensated for giving birth to litters of children, rampant breeding is encouraged.

[@user-vw2jq3to5e]

@@reynardfox962 truly I think tax cuts for having kids are wonderful, but that needs to stop after like the sixth or seventh kid…

[@soobindoll9767]

Exactly

[@skenney8325]

The worst was when Michelle said that NO MATTER WHAT, give in to sex. No matter how tired, sick, pregnant...

[@nikkiderringer]

Yeah, she's so brainwashed that she thinks that's what she's supposed to do. I wonder if she even realizes that she has a choice anymore.

[@grimlund]

Jim Bob needs to get another hobbie.

[@jgr_lilli_]

Michelle: "We are pregnant!" The little kids: 😐😕😟🙃😐😑🙁😶

[@nylah7544]

@Hannah Mounter Shut the fuck up.

[@sarahwells7096]

@Hannah Mounter ok “Hannah”

[@cherryblossom2494]

@Hannah Mounter Ummm??

[@C00kii0]

😩🤣😂🤣

[@apeescapefan]

@Hannah Mounter hannah do you need help 😟

[@hawkflying2527]

Michelle loves babies, loves the attention, loves to hold them. Then when she loses interest in the newest child she hands them off to the older daughters so she can get excited about the next new baby. Then the older daughters raise the babies.

[@subwaysurfers1508]

do we think it's the trauma of her first miscarriage that has fueled all this baby mania..?

[@pejig.598]

Literally. And then u have to force your children to do things that they shouldn’t. They should be enjoying their childhood. I know it’s okay for them to have responsibilities, but if u can’t give ur attention to all of your children, don’t have that many.

[@Hirundo-demersalis]

@@subwaysurfers1508 probably, given that there’s also this TikTokker who lost her baby and now has a son who isn’t vaccinated, doesn’t wear sunscreen, is exclusively breastfed by his vegan mother and is allowed to put anything in his mouth from sand to dirty shopping cart handles. She also practiced free birth, where a woman gives birth at home in the presence of her partner and/or family; obviously this is extremely dangerous, as there’s no midwife or anyone with medical training to help should something go wrong, and several women and babies have died during free birth because something did. Anyway, untreated trauma from miscarriage or infant death can make you go kinda nuts.

[@katierojas8066]

This was my mom who had five kids. She would have had more but she lost her uterus. Good thing she did Bc we grew up in a very dysfunctional home.

[@kathybrem880]

I think that’s the sad truth

[@crazydaniification]

I shouldn’t laugh, but the appalled faces of the young kids when the Scottish man said he didn’t have a faith background nearly killed me. It’s a shame that they’re indoctrinated from such a young age to be so intolerant of other’s beliefs

[@mariannepiiksi5317]

i laughed too..😅😅😅 Completely stunned 😅😅😅😅

[@JudelovesRiver12]

666 comments 🤘

[@BobBob-pr4eh]

How do you equate that from their shocked faces? Kids are intolerant and indoctrinated because they are shocked? They’re KIDS. Most likely first time being exposed to this, there is always a starting point.

[@crazydaniification]

@@BobBob-pr4eh They are intolerant and indoctrinated because of what their parents have taught them. My statement is not based solely on that clip. A lot of the Duggar kids are now full adults and have gone on to show blatant discrimination against other religions, have made homophobic statements, and have brushed sexual assault of children under the rug. A few of these examples are included in the video if you watch it all the way through.

[@cmo6055]

You totally should laugh! I did! Only thing I could think of, what must be going through their minds: "computer says no"

[@sarahd1250]

I have a feeling that “prayer closet” is more like where someone gets sent to pray when they’re bad

[@AlannaMacree]

Yeeeaahh, gives me real Stephen King's Carrie vibes

[@earthtorebecca1290]

@@AlannaMacree The kids are 100% locked in there when they do something "sinful"

[@bellonaying3975]

That Scottish man was in pure pain talking to Jim bob. You can see it in his eyes

[@twerkwork102]

Yes it is literally painful to talk to someone that ignorant

[@rosieposie4733]

@Firstname Lastbame ummm what? 💀💀

[@Emily-eg4gg]

Probably went and took a longggggg drag off a cigarette after that encounter 🚬 I know I would 😂😂

[@nobody8328]

I understand his discomfort and deer-in-the-headlights feeling when talking to folks like the Duggars, I really do, but it frustrates me when atheists are so reluctant to talk about theism when someone else brings it up. The hesitancy comes across as embarrassment at being an atheist, which only encourages them to ask other rude questions. 😒 When someone asks you if you believe in a god, be as proud as they are!! Laugh like a hyena and ask them derisively "Do ~you~?! Rolling your eyes like your tryna get the winning split is pretty much guaranteed to earn you a horrified gasp. And no, I no longer feel bad about excoriating someone's beliefs in front of their children. They were comfortable enough to think their kids should hear the conversation. The kids deserve to hear other points of view, and maybe all of them will learn not to annoy random strangers with asinine questions. 🤷

[@andrielisilien]

Not only the conversation but the camera on him too must have been so cringey 😬

[@Honey-pv1zg]

Why do they have a book that teaches what to do if you get sexually assaulted by a family member INSTEAD of a book that teaches to not sexually assault anybody.

[@j_cranberry]

And no doubt there's harmful information in the "what to do if" book

[@blackpinups]

That part!

[@chatman4998]

@Meghan ur 100% right

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Because predators won't fuckin' listen unfortunately

[@teijaflink2226]

I think it's important to teach kids what to do, like not let anyone touch you if you don't want and that it's okay and safecto tell your parents but I bet that it's mostly only about quilting the victim and how sorry it's about the abuser.

[@g996]

“When Josh was a teenager, he made some very bad mistakes” um excuse me since when is sexual assault a mistake? Forgetting your phone somewhere is a mistake. You had no intention of leaving your phone, right? Josh fully intended on doing what he did, he didn’t do it by accident. Disgusting excuses.

[@godallowsuturns679]

I think having a child that would do that, it’s extremely heartbreaking. After the initial shock, the parents need a way of explaining it to the world without making it sound as horrible as it is. After all, the parents will love the child no matter what. They will never trust him the same though.

[@shiny_cheyenne]

Megan Kelley asked the real questions, too. "How could you unfairly in their view compare transgender people to child molesters- suggest they are child molesters- knowing what you know about Josh?"

[@shiny_cheyenne]

Oops, just kept watching. The mom continues to hate transgener people and the dad misquotes Kelley and clarifies that Josh isn't a "pedophile" because he was 14.... Still did it though, and it's still child molestation

[@libbystwinfreelibby1839]

@@enthusiast2943 They’re just a stupid troll 🙄

[@cherryblossom2494]

Yeah, they just said that is because of their crazy a** parents

[@paigereese458]

Being born into this family would literally be my worst nightmare

[@user-bc4es6uq8m]

the duggars: “we don’t want to draw attention to our bodies” also the duggars: *wears jeans in a marathon*

[@123123snickers]

Lol 😆

[@SoCalCaitlin14]

Or also wears skin tight long skirts

[@treefrog1018]

Hahaha. My Christian mother was a bit conservative with clothing and never liked us girls revealing clothing BUT she always told us that it is important not to dress out of style so as not to draw too much attention to ourselves. We had to find a way to both honor god AND mesh with the world around us. ...and we wonder how I am in my early 30s, out of the faith, and just beginning to figure out my own identity. 😅

[@rapa2894]

@@treefrog1018 My mom is baptist but I never tested her with trying to get risque clothing because I prefer comfort and casual clothing anyway. The one thing she would not budge on was bras. She absolutely refused to buy me any bra that was patterned, red, or black. I could only get tan, white, or gray. No lace either but that I find reasonable I guess lol It was just weird to me because she let me dye my hair any color, listen to any music, gauge my ears, and she didn't "let me" but she knew I smoked cigarettes and weed and never called me out. I guess I was a good enough kid, never got in any trouble and graduated high school early and went to college. Just such a weird thing 😂 I didn't even have sex until I was 21 so it's not like I was going to show off my bras anyway. 😅

[@Nik-ko9eq]

@@rapa2894 The bra thing is kinda funny! My mom was never picky on that, we just had a time finding comfy bras in my size, even lace ones were more old lady than cute.

[@maryfrancess93]

I get so pissed off that as a teenager at church camp (against my will.) I was taught that wearing dresses/bikinis (in summer) would make grown men "stumble" and therefore I should be ashamed of my own body but grown men shouldn't be ashamed for peeving on teenagers.

[@Shelby-kk5om]

And yet they completely ignore the scripture that says something along the lines of: if your eyes lead to sin, they must be plucked out.

[@oooh19]

@@Shelby-kk5om they look down at their shoes and say "nike" over and over again so they avoid looking at a woman who's dressed "inappropriately". "boys will be boys" mentality bs

[@mw7845]

Uggghh same! That’s why I have a problem with the whole “we’re sinners that need saving” ideology. Men use the excuse of “Im just a sinner, of course I’ll fall prey to temptation”. Like no you’re a human being with the ability to change and control yourself... do better!

[@oooh19]

@@mw7845 women can use that excuse as well but it's just society brushes off men's behavior more

[@mw7845]

@@oooh19 100% it goes both ways, you worded that perfectly! I always felt weird that some people really use it as almost a mantra, and I get the idea that no ones perfect but something about identifying as a “broken sinner” doesn’t sit right with me

[@sarasdramaticlife]

Lol were they really saying the trans community is worse than an actual molestor? 14 or not he is a predator!

[@FundieFridays]

YUP!

[@consueloj.773]

Yeah! Also I still hold my belief of 15 year old Josh trying to digitally penetrate his five-year-old sister is pedophilia, it horrifies me how this family can throw it under the rug by saying "he was a child himself" like, no, he was more than aware that assaulting five girls was wrong

[@Deenique16]

@@consueloj.773 ugh I'm sick

[@idrisa7909]

@@consueloj.773 yeah the technical term for that is COCSA- csa where both victim and predator are children

[@arilamba3964]

@@consueloj.773 Exactly, I was molested for years by another child. The fact that she was a child does not make it okay, she still needs to be held accountable.

[@haleymilbrodt8080]

When the news broke for Josh's arrest my heart dropped. I am warning people, do NOT read up on what was found on his computer, I stumbled on it in an article without any kind of warning and it made me extremely fearful for his children, especially his daughters. I am completely disgusted his wife is sticking by him but not surprised. Women are taught in that culture that divorce is worse than any kind of abuse you could endure and it's awful that someone would really think God wants women and children to suffer to that extent. Josh is a trash human being and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[@sararao8429]

(Anna's thinking makes zero sense, shouldn't some logic wake her up, she flew on planes, traveled some, goes to the store, like some part of her brain works with real world where's the break down ? )

[@kimberlysevastyanenko3798]

She needs to get those kids far away from him. I'd be really surprised if he hadn't already done something awful to them.

[@shaleamontanez4591]

The content they found was horrendous. Definitely do not read unless you're prepared to hear some depraved ish

[@shockofthenew]

Just want to second this. Saw someone mention a detail in a comment here which identified which CP he had. Unfortunately I already recognised the name from listening to a podcast a few years back about catching pedophiles which, while the reporting was extremely good, also described some details of that material which I genuinely think should not have been published. Even though there was a warning of sorts I was not prepared and regret having heard it. I know morbid curiosity can be really, really hard to resist and you feel like "I won't be satisfied till I hear the details" but..... you will just regret it with this one. You'll read it. And then you'll wish you hadn't read it. And that'll be it. Nothing interesting or exciting, just a regret.

[@LisaW509]

Jim Bob has never taken marijuana? Not even one marijuana?

[@FundieFridays]

yeah but he didn't inhale

[@medical4652]

@@FundieFridays yeah but he probably swallowed.

[@Lucailey]

sure he did. it was while he and Josh were talking with I.S.I.L

[@meghansullivan6812]

he inhaled through his nose

[@GC-pq6vm]

What are marijuana tablets 🤣

[@ellaspike3896]

I can’t stand listening to men talk about how women’s bodies work, and what they should and shouldn’t do with their OWN bodies.

[@Houseofbjds]

Same its messed up

[@helixmoore7636]

My wife has rightfully told me to put a sock in it many time. 😦😭🤣🤣

[@dynodish]

It should be against the law unless they're a medical doctor. I'm serious. I want them jailed. Big mouthed lunatics.

[@hlabhlabhlab]

@@dynodish I think they can share their opinions on the subject and if they stated their opinions respectfully and with knowledge to back it up. There has to be a middle road here. Also with that extreme it would have to go both ways women would have to stop talking about men's bodies. Also I know we as a part of the female gender when it comes to pregnancies carry most of the the load but it does take two to tango to they should have at least a tad bit of room to share. But yeah the Duggars are crazy don't bully me..

[@meghanstanley1765]

@@hlabhlabhlab Not "most of the load," literally the whole entire load.

[@HipposAreDeadly]

I love how Anna’s apology was the longest out of everyone’s and the only mistake she made was marrying a man like Josh

[@cherryblossom2494]

She needs to leave Josh, and take the children with her, and also I feel bad for her because she married a perv

[@DylanRomanov]

She always came across as a very sweet person, I don’t agree with her beliefs but I feel terrible for what Josh put her through. Out of all of them she had the most sincere statement.

[@astranaut3967]

I feel so sorry for Anna. Her parents have fully drank the Duggar kool-aid. After Josh's 100th scandal, Anna's Dad publically stated they stand behind Josh and would not support Anna if she left her marriage 🤦🏼‍♀️😱🤮

[@h2ogurl1234]

I really wish she were able to leave him. She deserves better than the way he treats her.

[@astranaut3967]

@@h2ogurl1234 I am with you. I wish she had the means and support in place to leave Josh. He is an evil POS😭😭

[@monkeygoesbananas]

That interview where the sister protects Josh against the molestation allegations is unfathomably horrible. Imagine your brother--who you love and trust to protect you, who you are expected to defer to--molests you and your family bends themselves over backwards to justify his actions. And then when people find out, you and your sisters are forced to abandon all dignity and answer invasive questions about being molested on national television protecting him. I hate hate hate this family.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

With as many kids as they have, chances are AT LEAST one of them is trans, gay, or non-binary. And I feel so bad for these kids even more.

[@babygfeva]

There is definitely going to be at least 2 of each.... There is no chance for these kids to not be after living like this for so long... Sex addicts as well because they were never taught about sex properly. I mean counseling would help but doesn't fix everything.

[@screamingbanshee1282]

I want them to be able to come out

[@sarahmartinez7000]

reading this comment made me think of those documentaries about religious families abusing children who come out and you KNOW that is happening. i’m not saying it’s physical but it is definitely emotional and psychological, which is just as bad. people who want to use the excuse of religious freedom kindly step over this and the fact that all of the children are humans.

[@LazyLoonLazarus]

Shoot, I forgot if it was jessica or Jill. But one of those two are lesbian and we're forced into a hetero marriage

[@ss75691]

I think it was rumored that one of the older girls (Jinger, i think) is gay and won’t marry.

[@Dobviews]

One more example of how supposed modesty does NOT stop predators! I wonder if Jinger's husband is aware of the fact his "bible" came from the Catholic pagan religion he demonizes.

[@caitlindayman2469]

They like to perpetuate victim blaming

[@kathybrem880]

It matters not at all-a predator victimizes because they’re a predator, not because of clothing

[@sharonmatthews6212]

That modestly dressed is a JOKE. Predators don't care

[@feederbureauofinvestigatio7648]

When I was young I was abused. I was wearing skirts down to the ankles and sleeves down to my wrists. Didn’t stop the abuse. All of this modesty stuff is bullshit as is this fundamentalist crap

[@Dobviews]

Holy crap, never expected this many likes for an afterthought. I grew up in such an atmosphere. Let's just say I gained a BS meter early in childhood.

[@callmewaves1160]

Is it just me or does the "prayer room" looks like somewhere they lock the kids when they have "impure thoughts" or something like that for punishment?

[@therealkenj98]

So we are on the same page, nothing about that prayer closet looked inviting.

[@callmewaves1160]

@@therealkenj98 major creep vibes from that whole family

[@issabrat2]

Gives me Carrie vibes

[@callmewaves1160]

@@issabrat2 I thought the same thing

[@mariearchambeault145]

If it was truly a prayer room you'd think it would have an altar or cozy chairs a relaxing colour perhaps But no A steel chair, a desk, and white walls.

[@00Rav3n00]

Them kids are tired of siblings. You can see it in their eyes.

[@Jess-mr5ov]

i like how all the girls are so beautiful and all the dudes look like potatoes

[@DudeCrazy198]

Daddy’s hairline and being raised to be shitty people has that effect

[@eva4668]

yes but jedadiah is so fine like he is the only one thats attractive

[@DaniHMcV]

Haha, that’s so true! Lol

[@catwin7061]

@Hannah Mounter tf, are you a homophobe?

[@ja-124]

@Hannah Mounter no

[@hashbulla]

i just KNOW that prayer closet was used for more than prayer

[@colleenhenry3628]

That's what I thought too. So scary

[@pawsplants_pics5683]

Amen

[@kellymcfalls1458]

Brie Rainone how do you know that? Do you live with them? Maybe it was used for more than prayer 🙏 like studying or homework

[@UnluckyOctopus]

Kelly McFalls ya because if my entire life is centered around the Lord and worshiping him I’d build a mansion and only dedicate 1 windowless coat closet with a folding chair for 22 people to use.............My guess is that’s a time out closet where they would place kids who disobeyed. That’s a solitary confinement space. Watch Michelle’s body language and facial expressions when talking about it.

[@XXLillymilli]

Yes like...I'm really getting some Carrie vibes...like...go into the closet and prayyyy...ugh

[@sarahholland2600]

Homeschooling is very often a tactic to isolate children from professionals who will notice signs of abuse. It's been a factor in several horrific abuse cases in the UK. 'Child C' wrote a book about the worst recent one. The v religous foster mother has never shown any remorse.

[@someonerandom256]

I think it's much more often done in order to indoctrinate them fully, rather than to hide neglect or physical abuse. However, the number of fundamentalist Christians homeschooling is dropping, while the number of secular homeschoolers is rapidly rising. My children have been homeschooled since 2018 and are all in high school. We are a Christian family, however I am anti-organized religion, and we do mostly secular homeschooling. Our reasons for homeschooling them has nothing to do with religion, and I find undue indoctrination to be incredibly creepy. Above anything, we've taught our children to take anything that anyone says with a grain of salt, to do their own legitimate research and to come to their own conclusions.

[@james_fisch]

@@someonerandom256 It's going to sound funny the way I say this, but I had no clue secular homeschooling was possible until reading a bit further into what you meant. I grew up Christian, homeschooled all the way until I went to college, though we were not a fundamentalist family. Almost every other family in my hometown, however, that did what we were doing were fundies. I didn't realize how lucky my upbringing was compared to those other families because many of the people my age are still stuck in their indoctrinated ways and basically repeating their psychological abuse into the next generation.

[@sarahholland2600]

@@someonerandom256 indoctrination is emotional abuse as it's not giving autonomy & freedom & choice re beliefs. Statistically, UK & US child welfare research found homeschooling by religious & non religious families has been shown to be a common tactic to avoid professionals noticing abuse . ( I have a relative with 30years in social services). As an ex teacher, unless there are disabilities that make homeschooling a last resort, I find it sad that homeschoolers dismiss the emotional & social skills value of mixing with a wide variety of children & learning emotional intelligence, teamwork, negotiation, compromise, group dynamics, social norms etc. Yes, you can 'provide' academically at home, but a few non school clubs & family gatherings aren't going to provide the same opportunities re social, emotional & psychological development.

[@annab2268]

I’m currently secularly homeschooling my kindergartener because of covid and not wanting him sitting on the computer all day. So some homeschoolers are secular, because I’m part of a large Facebook group dedicated to secular homeschooling, but the fundies do use it to perpetuate their abuse.

[@shelbyarlyn7]

Yes! I’m a homeschool mom to my 7 year old Minecraft playing, Pokémon loving, KISS singing child. It’s secular or bust! I chose homeschool because the shit my son was learning in kindergarten, before the pandemic ended kindergarten, was disgusting. Unfortunately hurt kids hurt other kids and there are many hurting children in the public school system just like the homeschool system. Finding a secular curriculum was so much harder than I thought! But once I found a secular homeschool group on Facebook, it became so much easier! Not all of us are freaks! I swear!

[@mycatruth2073]

I love how all the scenes used in the buddy system sequence are older sisters taking care of younger brothers. Did the older brothers ever become anyone's "buddy"? Or did Josh's behavior make them think that that was a bad idea?

[@Souten66]

I feel like I saw somewhere the kids aren’t allowed to sit in any older brother’s (or fathers?) lap. Which… is telling. And does not address the issue. So I’m pretty sure it’s just the girls that have a buddy. If the boys do, it’s probably very surface level

[@sagewowomg]

“Michelle reserves the privilege of being each of the children’s first buddy” Omg they’re HER kids that’s such a bizarre way to phrase it.

[@JoAnnaTaco]

And she for real said she's their buddy until they're weaned.. like a fucking puppy. She's nuts

[@sagewowomg]

@@JoAnnaTaco that’s what I thought! All I heard was “Michelle raises her kids till they stop breastfeeding then it’s up to one of her young daughters to take over from there.”

[@violetindigo2770]

It honestly sounds like a downline in a factory. She bonds with the "first buddy" and then passes it off.

[@junkmalme]

I think it's fine if you're explaining to your 4 year old why the baby is mommy's buddy, not them. But then it gets **off** when you're presenting it to a more mature audience.

[@sagewowomg]

@@junkmalme yeah! That completely makes sense. The phrasing when it’s presented to mainly adults watching the show is really weird.

[@staceyrhoades4788]

It’s weird that all the boys girlfriends look just like the sisters

[@Corn22]

Did you expect them to not also be racist or something? of course they only date white girls

[@TheKionab5674]

I agree, I literally thought Josh's wife was his sister in a few clips I was very confused.

[@Pieceofchocolate1]

zoot boot they could date white girls that don’t look like their sisters...

[@leah66]

It worked out well for the Lannisters.....kind of

[@Isabellabuscus]

@@Pieceofchocolate1 the problem with that is that there are too many sisters! The options are slim as is cause who the hell would want to deal with even a fraction of that degrading bullshit

[@ownyoursxtaylormorganne8551]

It makes me sad when Christians don’t dance when they’re so many examples of dance as an expression of love to God.

[@criticalthinkingconcubus]

As a baptist, I couldn’t imaging going to church without the band.

[@ownyoursxtaylormorganne8551]

@@criticalthinkingconcubus all I can think rn is “I will dance like David danced”

[@TehMomo_]

like...didn't we solve this with the Movie Footloose....

[@melanijafei636]

i havent met a christian who doesnt dance only refuse when its secular friends that dance provocative

[@YukikosArt]

Yes all the women from the Old Testament!

[@henrikhaaja1260]

As a Finn, the whole idea of revealing clothing being so seductive that it makes men rape women is fucking ridiculous, since I have grown up in a country where even nudity is relatively normal in certain situations. Like in saunas for instance. Every Finn owns a sauna, every family uses it together, and everyone invites all their friends to spend vacation days on a sauna together, all fully naked, and all genders mixed. Same with swimming in lakes, especially on winter. People often just do it naked. Despite all this, nobody ever rapes anybody. Nobody even thinks it's anything even remotely sexual. It's just simply natural. Sexualising everything is such a weirdly foreign concept. I'm pretty sure it's like at least 90% a cultural problem. I actually hadn't even thought about it before I got a foreign friend who suddenly got kinda awkward about the concept of a sauna. Like wtf, do y'all bath fully clothed or smth??? If a guy thinks nudity or the way you dress is automatically inherently sexual, the problem is with the guy (and probably how he was taught), not actually the way you dress.

[@sithlordhibiscus9936]

You're right. Nudity is natural. I don't pretend to know how religious Finns are, but over here Christianity (and arguably all sects of it) have intertwined nudity with sexuality to the point where it is a twisted mess of lies and shame. That is why, in my humble opinion, that they feel this way, albeit more so than non-fundamental Christians. FYI I'm pagan (Wiccan) so nudity is somewhat a part of paganism. (Not required but it's also not discouraged and some rituals and ceremonies are "traditionally" performed nude - if you can say that Wicca has any tradition. The celebration of sex (particularly around Beltane in Spring, which represents "rebirth"), and nudity (non-sexual) is probably one of the reasons they think we're devil worshippers. Because of course we worship something we don't believe actually exists AND have the audacity to view a naked girl as just a person, not a sexual object. Hail Satan. Miroslav Satan, that is. It is certainly a cultural issue. Again, their niche subculture takes it much farther than protestant Christians would, but it's still the same underlying message: Your body is shameful and sexuality is sinful. That is until you get married. Then you should fuck like rabbits and pop babies out like a pez dispenser. Apparently, an erection is all in our perverted minds. It can't possibly be normal to get one randomly and I'm sure that they deter girls from humping their pillows by saying, "It's the devil in your loins..." The only devil down there is in the form of menstrual cycles - that is - they become demons and we have to run and hide for 5 days. lol. To avoid these sinful thoughts, clearly clothing is the answer. From head to toe... but not like that wicked Islam, of course. No, TOTALLY different. (Note: Sarcasm)

[@kailaniclarke4718]

Wish we had some of that philosophy over here in the US of fuckin A.

[@kailaniclarke4718]

Our system penalizes teenage girls for wearing tank tops to class, but protects male predators all the way up to the goddamn White House.

[@Toskrr]

I am an American who lived in Germany for awhile and enjoyed the nude spas there. I think Americans could stand to be a bit less up tight about nudity.

[@taniagomez8933]

Please take me into your country! I cannot stand it here in the U.S.A. as a brown woman 😭😭

[@vampirechick1159]

Really funny hearing Josh talk about radicalized Islam as if his funadmentalism didn't radicalize him and his entire family

[@someidiot420]

"radicalization is only okay if *i* believe in it"

[@mrsmopsi9333]

I know right 🤣 mind-boggling how they can't see the parallels, like.. They would fit into any radical Islamic country no prob, the only difference is what they call their God. 🙈🙈

[@morgan8838]

“thankfully they speak english here in scotland” This family has to be a social experiment

[@kevinbumgardner3553]

Really? I thought they spoke Scottish!

[@piptig5327]

that was so cringey omg

[@corypowercat7277]

They’re so closed off they don’t understand or know anything about the world.

[@magicmegan4290]

As if people are being sexually stimulated by men’s legs running at a marathon…

[@Deg40000]

Wait what?

[@cameronc1712]

@@Deg40000 they’re talking about how they wore jeans at a marathon to not show their legs or been seen as sexual

[@LittleMsShine]

@@Deg40000 will you watch the damn video before reading the comments? Lmao

[@sydneym-y]

It’s the ankles. Ankles are making people go wild 😂😂😂

[@adri9795]

@@sydneym-y Oh Yes. Get me an eye full of those hairy, vieny, dry, unlotioned man ankles. 😝

[@FF7Destiny]

I think Michelle will have a nervous break down when she starts the menopause. Her whole purpose seems to be having kids. She’ll probably encourage her girls to have lots.

[@Lulusnotreadyforthis]

Think it's already happening... she's not had a baby for a while. Which is a relief because she's not exactly taken care of the ones she's already got.

[@zammmerjammer]

@@Lulusnotreadyforthis I'm surprised her body hasn't completely broken down. Often, feral cats and dogs and animals at puppy mills if they were bred uncontrollably die early because their uterus quite literally wears out and they hemorrhage to death.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@zammmerjammer her 20th baby died (stillborn) because her uterus was so damaged by 19 births it couldn’t handle it. She replaced the baby by adopting a kid from another fundie family and now she fills that void with her grandkids

[@emilybarclay8831]

She’s just replaced having kids with having grandkids. She’s already got 23 grandkids across their 8 married kids. She’s likely to get up to over 100 grandkids if all her kids have the 5-7 kids common in these families. No shortage of validation

[@moestein6972]

Jana isn't allowed to move out of the house unmarried. She is also chaperoned on a dates. The dates are only allowed to be men she meets through her parents or church interactions. It is sad.

[@agirldownunder9299]

Not just her its all of them

[@BobBob-pr4eh]

@@agirldownunder9299 why?

[@mariagiusit]

@@BobBob-pr4eh it might be because of their beliefs, or because they don't want outsiders to point out what's wrong with their lifestyle

[@SobrietyandSolace]

I'm 28 and have never been on a date. My parents wouldn't let me leave home. I secretly met a guy online when I was 19 and he was my first boyfriend, but we never went on dates, I would just make a 6 hour round trip to his house. We were together 6 years and now I'm completely on my own and don't talk to any of my family

[@SobrietyandSolace]

@@indypooh1 My life has been a trainwreck but I probably would be dead if I didn't get away from my parents so that's good I guess lol thanks

[@ELoouise323]

JB talking to Josh as if he’s never had any sexual contact knowing what he did is honestly disturbing.

[@maryalice578]

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Eeewww🤢

[@pkelsey93]

I could not watch it. It creeped me out.

[@jenniferwright834]

Oh yuck, I had never considered that! Disturbing to say the least!

[@eliciaeldridge3452]

Well most parents never talk to their kids about it or anything related to it, a lot of adult men still to this day do not seem to beware of the fact that just because they are ready to have sex doesn't mean the woman is as the woman usually needs more time etc.

[@thesimplifestyle2022]

@@eliciaeldridge3452 Actually no, most parents talk about it. And there is no such thing as women needing more time than men. People can have completely different sexual drives, and it has no relation to what genital you have.

[@katiee4396]

The fact that they met Dolly Parton, a known liberal person, just cracks me up. Like Dolly is a queen living her best life, not being problematic, and then the Duggar family is like...not that.

[@nina__serafina]

Dolly probably saw their show and laughed at them

[@ew2181]

if i’m not wrong, i remember hearing about how dolly grew up in this kind of enviroment with a huge family. obviously different circumstances but they also had a buddy system and dolly’s “buddy” died :( just interesting to think about

[@AD-ov5rt]

Dolly is nothing if not kind to *all*. We as a culture don't deserve her.

[@katiee4396]

@@AD-ov5rt we really don’t

[@spookydeadite]

You know they can still have different views and still meet them , ffs just because someone has different views than others we can still meet them , talk to them ...

[@aleciamcdonald3941]

I am hoping that Josh gets the maximum sentence for his crimes against children. And I am noticing how so many women in these right-wing Christian groups speak like whispering babies. What is that?

[@mushroom-beans]

As an afab person who was raised in a very similar religious cult, it’s ingrained into you from a very young age that you need to be quite. You don’t get to speak up, you don’t get to be loud or rambunctious, you MUST be seen and not heard. You MUST be submissive to either your parents or you husband. It’s the only way to survive.

[@kellyegan7348]

It’s so creepy

[@zammmerjammer]

Only mayonnaise American women. I can't see these Stepford lessons taking hold with Caribbean or Italian or Scottish women.

[@miaomiaochan]

"Keep sweet", as the FLDS cult would say.

[@square_kirby7852]

I've heard that women who speak that way or sound like they have a 9 year olds voice had been sexually abused when they were young and their voices just stopped maturing after the abuse took place

[@goodsimpleplan182]

I would definitely hotbox the prayer room

[@10Maymay]

Where my invite😂😂

[@alexandriageiler687]

@@10Maymay same here let’s do it 😂😂

[@jessicamessicaYT]

💀💀

[@1985bjaycat]

Absolutely!!!

[@michellekyle6424]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mocuishle1028]

It is so sad that none of the kids have a college education. They will be stuck in their families with no possible of independence. This is especially true for the girls.

[@sistahlamb]

That’s a big part of how cults work. Keep the kids out of college so they don’t learn any better and “stray” from the religion, thereby making them dependent on it.

[@CLS-pn7il]

@@sistahlamb In this cult it's only the women who can't go to college, go figure🙄😒

[@helixjac2394]

@@CLS-pn7il I follow some of the women on insta and they seem to distance themselves more and more from their parents

[@allisonnicole1659]

Everything about this just screams that it’s a cult and it’s absolutely disgusting

[@aftoniospizzashop]

Totally agree. You should read the book “Educated” if you haven’t. It’s written by a woman who grew up homeschooled by a fundamentalist Christian family who were also doomsday preppers...very interesting to see how she managed to break out of the shell of the cult

[@prlegal411]

Michelle reserves the honor of being every child’s first buddy. Parent. It’s called being a parent. These people are dweebs.

[@rabbit__]

That bothered me, because it read as excluding the father from actually being a parent. My dad kept me going as he played the parts of both parents, and we both have beef with the expectation that men only play a distant role in child-raising.

[@caitlindayman2469]

@Faith Eberflus she actually only nursed them for about six months so she could get her full fertility back. All about pumping as many kids out as possible

[@christina5844]

Dweebs 😭

[@susanhall7199]

Totally an abuse to their older children, who didn't ask to be born or anyone of their children to be born, they know more about raising children than their mother does, their older children have lost their youth

[@jlconnors7872]

Buddy system AKA “kids raising kids because their parents are selfish assholes.”

[@adeleennis2255]

Against abortion in all forms (mom is sacrificial), but for the death penalty. Once again these fundies prove it’s the right to choose who lives and who dies that they really care about.

[@itiswhatitis7266]

There's a BIG difference between the two. One is an innocent soul being killed who is given no chance at life and the other is a someone who killed an innocent soul and ended their life. BIG DIFFERENCE

[@susanjohnston8973]

Flip your logic and the same is true. Those for abortion are also against the death penalty. Choosing who gets to live and die.

[@adeleennis2255]

@@itiswhatitis7266 That theory can be applied to all life. The meat in my breakfast sandwich was an innocent soul. I don’t see fundies protecting them. The carrots in my salad are innocent. Where’s the outrage over carrot murder? The eggs in my refrigerator are a result of hens forced into boxes to just lay eggs. Any fertilized eggs are harvested in the hopes for female chicks. Most male chicks are sent to the wood chipper. They’re not needed, but I don’t see right to lifers giving a damn about them. Are they not innocent souls? At least I’m not a hypocrite. Animals have souls too. I know this and still eat them. Do I feel bad about it? Sometimes. While I don’t eat babies, I also don’t see the point of forcing birth upon someone who does not want to go through it. However, I don’t consider a fetus as actual life until it can survive outside the womb. Just as I do not consider turtles actual life until they can survive outside their eggs.

[@grimlund]

They are not pro life. They just want to control women. Thats it.

[@champagnesupernova777]

They met Dolly Parton?! They don’t deserve to be in the presence of queen Dolly.

[@jaceestapp]

Omg the Tatiana mugshot

[@champagnesupernova777]

@@jaceestapp it’s iconic

[@dcscruz2970]

Yeah. She’s an amazing woman

[@champagnesupernova777]

@Rachel Katherine beliefs isn’t the problem. Being bigoted is the problem. And they also excused their sons predatory behavior. I don’t need to be inclusive to pedophiles and pedophile enablers. Try again.

[@champagnesupernova777]

@Rachel Katherine 😂😂😂😂😂

[@moustik31]

How do the Duggars explain Josh sexually abusing his sisters when they were always dressed modestly and he wasnt taught about sexuality? I wish Michelle had cared for the safety of her daughters at home as much as she supposedly care for the "safety" of strangers in public bathrooms. Update: Watching Josh struggle through trying to explain birth control or even religious rights. Why are these bigots always so averse to doing their research before hand?!

[@rachelk4805]

They are not interested in truth, not for themselves, not for others. They only see and listen to what confirms their existing bias.

[@moustik31]

@@rachelk4805 Fr. I call that, their committment to not get an education. One could argue, that this attitude even applies to the Bible, they quote so often out of context.

[@Naturefan354]

@@moustik31 Ignorance is Bliss.

[@kimberlysevastyanenko3798]

Well, they do have that "prayer closet", "not meant to be used for anything but spending time with the Lord" 😳

[@duckie4655]

I came to rewatch this video for comments like this, they say that women are immodest and that’s why they are violated and assaulted while it was happening in their own home…to their modestly dressed daughters! Ridiculous

[@fitpotato_5527]

He really had the audacity to cheat on her after she stayed with him after he sang like that in her face on their wedding day

[@ezingerbert]

I had to skip ahead on that part lmaooo

[@cierrakelly949]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@whatsaqueentoagoddess]

Lol you’re so funny 💀

[@heartsmyfaceforever8140]

She called bulemia nervosa a bad habit.

[@campuscnts]

“Michelle’s hair is so big” ... *because it’s full of secrets*

[@abutterfly7975]

She’s got the sides cut short like in the 80s and something holding the crown high and of course the big bangs totally 80s hair and I think that is a homemade perm as well which also is out of style now. I see later on they try to modernize her hair style but she still sneaks barrettes and stuff in it to try to pull it back into the 80s😐

[@aproxamillionwasps474]

@@abutterfly7975 the worst part is that she seems so sweet and angelic with the high voice and the always positive attitude, I constantly have to remind myself that she’s a part of an abusive cult that promotes blanket training. I do not need helping remembering boob is a creep when I see him in clips.

[@asparrow5505]

It's full of something but I don't think it's secrets

[@isobeledmonds6018]

idk if this was a mean girls reference, but if it was then like no one in these replies got that-

[@asparrow5505]

@Aiesha forever I was thinking baby batter with that golf course scene 😂

[@VultureClone]

I love how every time the mother announced a new pregnancy, her kids had this look of, "Fucking hell, not again!" lmao.

[@ladycheyne5607]

I swear if I was one of those kids, I'd be spiking my mom's food with birth control 🤣

[@82566]

Lmao 🤣

[@peanutsarecheap1997]

@@ladycheyne5607 😂😂😂😂😂

[@christineguerriero5187]

On one episode, the one little boy ran off, clearly upset. The addition of a new baby caused great changes in this family, namely mom abandoning the youngest. The daughters were forced into more work. terrible.

[@juliemachin737]

@@ladycheyne5607 lmao 😂🤣😂🤣

[@aceofhearts3]

nothing makes me more uncomfortable than telling someone i dont believe in god and them proceeding to tell me that god loves me

[@j_cranberry]

Or when they say "you're going to hell." We don't believe in that either!

[@rradiohead]

Or that they will be praying for me. Like wth some religious people have problems with forcing it on others.

[@nyangatagaming903]

My views on the existence of a god are complicated. But I definitely don't believe in hell so it's so weird when people tell me I'm going to hell for being queer.

[@elizabethjones2084]

I'm a Christian and that sounds like a profoundly awkward conversation for everyone, so I'm sure why people keep doing it.

[@chrisptaco1139]

"and the Tooth Fairy loves you."

[@lizmerrick6883]

I feel so sorry for those girls having to go do damage control for Josh Duggar. They aren't allowed to process their own hurt and trauma and have to publicly downplay it, perhaps internalizing their own excuses as they make them. Also I have never seen anyone wear yellow eyeshadow well but you look amazing!

[@sludgebeastt]

these girls are forced to be breeders and housewife’s for their entire lives.

[@seliamila1005]

Terrible :(

[@bernardbenson4555]

I guess they enjoy being entered.

[@mw7845]

@@bernardbenson4555 bro what?

[@luigi7834]

@@bernardbenson4555 What the hell

[@kateperson3]

They really added to the whole “can’t trust a J name” thing, huh

[@joshuamoody7729]

Dang...I didn’t choose my name. 😟

[@Jasminekuwonu]

@@joshuamoody7729 the only J name I personally like is Joshua cause all the Joshua’s I know are funny.... I hope you’re funny

[@SoothingTrash]

I know a woman with 5 boys and they’re all J. She has one daughter that she tried to name her husbands already born daughter’s name. J mom PSYCHO

[@joshuamoody7729]

@@Jasminekuwonu I think I could give you a few laughs.

[@joshuamoody7729]

@@SoothingTrash There is a lot of J names in my family as well. The initials of the men are all the same that being JAM. If I have a kid, I’m breaking that tradition.

[@PtxXtp]

Ew Josh was totally flirting with his cousin when she was talking to him about his first kiss. I mean I guess if he thinks underage sisters are ok then cousins should be too?

[@mehnope6043]

yes god it was so gross

[@boycrazygirllover]

glad someone else noticed. i’m hiding in the comments until the clip is over lol

[@jessicacole8404]

I thought that was his bride!

[@catchingamuse3857]

Did you see how she was trying to avoid him digging deeper? "Yeah, imagine that" *nervous laughter* I barfed a little in my mouth.

[@jelliclecat27]

🤢 23:57 timestamp for y'all who are curious-

[@mullimar000]

“I’ve done a limited amount of research on abortion causing drugs-“ *furiously hits fast forward button to avoid losing brain cells*

[@Jill-ih9dq]

ironic how the pearl-clutching “think of the children” types rarely seem to give a shit at all about actual child abuse 😡

[@rachelk4805]

Well, entitlement and control are at the heart of both attitudes. They use children to advance their message and use their message to dehumanize their children.

[@monus782]

Especially if the children are not white enough for them, thus we got the whole Q movement not giving a shit about the kids in cages in the border.

[@Rawnblade13]

Pretty standard Christian/Conservative MO, hypocrisy every corner you turn. Constantly screaming about gays and transgender people being child molesters...While blatantly ignoring, and even defending sometimes, the actual child rape going on by priests and pastors across the world and/or done by their own family members. "Rules for thee but not for me." is the Conservative/Christian motto.

[@PoopiGirl.23]

Won’t someone think of the fertilized embryos?

[@allyb3510]

They're often the ones who do the abusing. My step mother was one of those people, went so far as to work for a special needs elementary school and got fired when it came out she was mentally emotionally and physically abusive to me.

[@caryh8]

With so much abuse that goes on in this family, I wouldn't be surprised if another controversy happened after JB and Michelle die and someone in the family decided to do a tell all about them and their fucked methods of parenting.

[@giabarrone7422]

I think Derrick and Jill are working on a book already.

[@dakotamathews6808]

Oh I’m waiting for it

[@indicamberr]

Oh for sure! I’d bet money that’ll happen

[@emlynbeamish1565]

Well, I don’t agree with this family on a lot of things, but I partly agree on border control. Specifically, closing the Scottish borders to them.

[@mamachungus]

had me in the first half

[@Amanda-zo7jg]

😂

[@faithshorthouse1064]

I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY 😀

[@minagica]

🤣🤣🤣

[@missmoxie9188]

YES!!!!!!

[@iolacola]

3:35 As someone who is far too familiar with EDs & body dysmorphia, I recognised Michelle straight up staring at her slimmer friend’s body here in silent comparison… idk it’s really poignant & sad (my sympathy is limited, however). Can’t imagine the toll going through that many pregnancies + labor would take on the body (don’t want to imagine tbh, oof 😣)

[@taneabree]

*he was a child preying on a child* YES JIM BOB, IS YOUR POINT THAT YOU SHOULD’VE GOTTEN HIM HELP SOONER?

[@deedee-dz1dt]

The way he worded kind of made it seem like he was saying “Oh but he was underage too so it doesn’t count!” He’s so delusional!

[@LaNoturna]

That’s the thing-they’re saying they are against transgender women going into the girl’s bathroom because they’re “men preying on girls,” but they’re okay with boys (their son) preying on girls? Whether a girl is molested by an adult or child, she still has to deal with the trauma of that for the rest of her life.

[@jessiewhite7443]

Freaking DESGUSTING!!!!!

[@jessiewhite7443]

Not his first kiss obviously!! Gross!!

[@elleofhearts8471]

and on top of that, the parent neglected their responsibilities as parents by not seeing this sooner and not protecting and monitoring their children properly. Inappropriate behavior bwtwrrn people who know each other doesn't just happen out of nowhere its gradual. but they're not jobs themselves so they probably didn't see anything wrong the whole time.

[@emmawood9917]

it really really scares me that josh has children given his history. god please watch over those children and keep them safe from that man.

[@lesliefroelich4144]

god gave him those children

[@emmawood9917]

@@lesliefroelich4144 god gave you a brain... please use it 🙏

[@aduzzz3322]

@@emmawood9917 lmaoo

[@tommyclark4947]

@@lesliefroelich4144 WTF does this mean?

[@sr-pz7gp]

word

[@slaggeylindsay7464]

Purity culture sexualizes absolutely everything, the obsession with censorship has affected every aspect of my sexuality from my teens well into my 20s and I'm sure will continue as I get older.

[@j_cranberry]

I'm going through this too, it's so hard. It's taken me years to understand that sexuality is a positive thing that can be expressed however you want.

[@sholem_bond]

It's weird how in the obsession with avoiding the thing, cultures like this become defined by the thing/the amount of (negative) attention they pay to the thing.

[@scarebear1265]

How ironic

[@TaurusWitch29]

That Brazzers logo and the to catch a predator clip has me in tears every single time I watch this video 😆😂 cousin Amy seems a little bit flirty in the family and Josh does not seem to have a problem with her being a cousin, obviously, after what he did to his little sisters. But he is obviously trying to flirt back and that whole scene makes me uncomfortable everytime I see it lol

[@marxistyogamom2982]

i really think Michelle never processed the trauma of her miscarriage and that plays a major role in why she popped out so many kids.

[@oliviadobben4654]

she definitely blames herself since she thinks birth control caused her miscarriage, and she probably thinks she's paying off some kind of debt to god by having a trillion kids

[@marisha.art.channel]

I think you’re absolutely right.

[@valeriyavarnavskaya4081]

I wonder what makes you say that. Have you gone through one?

[@miacarrillo5952]

poor woman needed therapy a long long time ago

[@christineguerriero5187]

I lost two. It never caused me to pop out many babies.

[@francesca1870]

If a bikini makes you struggle in your marriage, you have bigger problems 😂

[@Highlikeheaven89]

Especially if the bikini is on a young girl... Yikes

[@82566]

Definitely lol 😆

[@mxx52]

Jim bob is “pro life” yet supports the death penalty... these people are the biggest hypocrites.

[@Kyman102]

I kinda want to see a Venn diagram of "People who identify as Pro Life" and "People who support the death penalty" (Yes I am aware that it's basically a circle)

[@kadencantfunction488]

@@Kyman102 "protect the unborn foetuses" What about born people who have lives and families and are innocent sometimes? "fuck them"

[@bugglemagnum6213]

Well to be fair fetus never been a serial killer

[@alexisc3658]

@@bugglemagnum6213 you give the US justice system much more credit than it’s deserves.

[@dragonfly4874]

@@alexisc3658 I'm confused. Are you saying they might charge the unborn fetus as a serial killer, or that no one that got executed was actually a serial killer? Because, and I could be wrong about this, to my knowledge if only one person who was executed was guilty and all the rest were innocent, that's still more than the number of guilty unborn fetuses. Please correct me if I'm wrong.