The Price of Blind Loyalty

[@neofulcrum5013]

“Blind allegiance makes you a pawn”- Hunter

[@cfcblue8]

“When have we ever followed orders?” -Tech

[@falcongamingproductions9938]

@@cfcblue8 😢

[@Thecottonli]

I’m not done watching bad batch so I don’t get it

[@cfcblue8]

^ who gonna tell him?

[@ugoeze7360]

Wonder how this quote will take in a wedding speech… 🫣

[@CyberSonic-V3.0]

I think the title of this video is going to be one of the main theme’s of the Bad Batch once season 3 conclude’s. Blind loyalty destroyed Kamino, blind loyalty led to the Clones being decommissioned, blind loyalty led to the Empire reigning supreme. On a more personal level it was Hunter’s blind loyalty to his squad that led to Omega being captured since if they had decided to join up with Rex they wouldn’t have been at Cid’s mercy and it was Crosshair’s loyalty to the Empire that led to the squad being in the position they are in at the end of season 2.

[@Squiddy-go1du]

It’s ironic that Echo is so intent on following the regulations and orders and ends up going to join the bad batch, a squad that doesn’t follow orders and regulations.

[@mkhud50n]

Having to confront the treasonous Jedi Pong Krell is actually what makes Tup’s inhibitor chip activate too early. 😮

[@lennonkelly-james2693]

But there were many other clones who confronted Krell and none of them had problems with their chips.

[@mkhud50n]

@@lennonkelly-james2693 true but theirs didn’t malfunction. Tup makes a few comments during this episode that foreshadow his chip malfunctioning. I watched it the other day. It’s in there.

[@lennonkelly-james2693]

@@mkhud50n Like what?

[@mkhud50n]

@@lennonkelly-james2693 when they all decide to go after Krell he has the most zeal for killing him. He feels very betrayed. But he also is conditioned to follow order like Dogma. This problem sets off the cognitive dissonance he has about the Jedi which makes him snap. Either that or he shared a contaminated canteen which made the chip malfunction;)

[@lennonkelly-james2693]

@@mkhud50n Maybe, I just don't think personal experience affects the chip because that'd be a terribly design flaw.

[@keithclark9719]

Generation Tech made a comment that had me wondering. Dogma was a third generation clone. I wonder if they were engineered to be more fanatical and prone to follow all orders because they would be the "majority " of troopers in the field because of battle casualties. And they wouldn't resist order 1-99 (66) to the point that they would trust the government blindly? Just a thought

[@skyden24195]

That's a very good theory. I like it. It makes a lot of sense.

[@TEMac-vx4cr]

The Kaminoans may have been worried by the individuality of the earlier generations and doubled down on the obedience.

[@GGBlaster]

@@TEMac-vx4crthat would make a lot of sense. The Kaminoans were obsessed with perfection; they likely continued to improve the clone training regiment as well as the clones’ genetic code and inhibitor chips leading up to and throughout the Clone Wars.

[@TEMac-vx4cr]

I think with Dogma specifically you can’t underestimate the obedience training the clones go thru. And while Dogma has had some battle experience, he’s still a rookie. He is going thru what Rex and Fives have already gone thru - with Anakin, a softer, gentler, more caring Jedi general. They didn’t have to go thru the huge identity shift because Anakin is far more understanding. This doesn’t remove responsibility from Dogma but it makes it comprehensible. I would like to think the fictional powers that were treated him fairly and he survived to be reassigned (likely demoted and sent to detention.) after all, he did what Rex was doing.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

Now this really makes Tup a question mark. He’s also a rookie, maybe younger than Dogma, and yet he doesn’t turn out like him. And yet later in of all the clones who could have had an early activation of their chip, he’s the one. The same guy who came up with the plan to capture Krell and was able to stun him.

[@starpilot101]

I remember first learning what a “senate” was when I was 8 years old watching Star Wars for the first time. To this day there are still good lessons on real life serious topics to be explored. Truly a franchise for all ages.

[@petersparacino6445]

Words of wisdom from my old man: "Never trust a salesman."

[@thatman666]

Especially The Laughing Salesman

[@Whiteknight-xg2pq]

Tbh I never realized how much Fury is burning in Tupp's eyes before the hunt for Krell. It was a great quick cut from Dogma's somewhat down trodden look while being imprisoned. I kind of felt bad for the trooper, he just chose the wrong side at the wrong time because he was drilled to follow orders from the field commander, sadly the instance being Krell instead of Anakin, which definably resulted in him being executed. (One) for refusing orders from an officer (Rex) and (Two) for executing a unarmed prisoner of war without trial. Over more it was probably the only way to keep Rex and the rest of the legion from being court marshaled for mutiny, even though it was for perfectly good reasons and resulted in the capture of a traitorous Jedi.

[@MrJakeros]

I admit that I was once like Dogma. Not to drudge up old wounds, but I once believed entirely in my father. I mean, who else are you supposed to trust in this world but your parents, right? I did everything to make him happy, even to the point of turning against the people who genuinely cared about me for me. It was only when I took a stand against him that I realized I had made a horrible mistake in letting this man lead me about by the neck. Fortunately the people who I did turn on were more forgiving than I ever could've been and now here I am almost 7 years later with my own life, my own future and my own identity (patent pending).

[@huynhvuongviet2410]

It's nice of you to stand up for yourself. Trust me, it takes a lot of courage to do something like that and not everyone can just do that. I'm sure the people who you turned on definitely understood and helped you throughout your life. You should be proud of yourself for moving on. It's never too late to move on.

[@MrJakeros]

@@huynhvuongviet2410 Sadly, for some people it was too late. And I held out hope that with time things might get better if I distanced myself. My parents brought me into this world but as far as I'm concerned, they're not my parents. My grandparents, my grandfather in particular (who's not even blood related) are my real parents. They took me from that hell, even after I had turned on them. I'd be dead if they hadn't come and got me that day.

[@huynhvuongviet2410]

@@MrJakeros still glad you made it out though. Be proud of yourself.

[@DMGSL]

1:15 I really like that attention to detail because enemy snipers would look for soldiers saluting to eliminate higher-ups.

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

If the clones really were just "machines" like Pong Krell assumed, they wouldn't have needed the inhibitor chips.

[@HolyknightVader999]

The price of blind loyalty is a shot on the back of the head. I never figured why they made Crosshair so blindly loyal to the Empire while it mistreats him. It should've either been that he remains loyal to an Empire that enables him to be what he is, or, he should've jumped ship first chance when it's clear the Empire won't miss him. He's supposed to be a selfish character; not a blind dog. He even stated in the original cut of the TCW Bad Batch episodes that if his side left him to die, he wouldn't be so loyal.

[@neofulcrum5013]

I think he was just clinging to purpose. Any purpose that lets him do what he’s best at. As a soldier, he didn’t see any other purpose for himself beyond that once the war ended. But gradually he realized the Empire wasn’t the answer either. Mayday’s death was the last straw for him.

[@kenle2]

It's ego. He knows he's the best shot in the GAR and had accomplished things the regs and the new conscript/volunteers could never match. So he believes if he keeps demonstrating his superiority (by killing lots of their enemies without compunction) eventually the Empire HAS to recognize his value. Except he soon gets his face shoved into the fact that they REALLY don't. If you can just bombard your enemies into rubble from orbit with a Star Destroyer, or put an inferior trooper on every (important) streetcorner to cow most civilians - why do you need him in particular? He finally "got it" in "The Outpost". His superiors just didn't care and he couldn't make them care, no matter how good he was.

[@ArcKobraYT]

9:55 perfect time to be sponsored by nord vpn

[@FluffLBunny]

Because people do shit like that every day.

[@GGBlaster]

Well, Crosshair was probably doing just fine until he shot down his entire squad in S1 finale. To the Empire, I imagine, that was an odd case, definitely treasonous, and yet he still claimed loyalty to the Empire. So they “forgave” him, but kept him at arms length. And when Cody defected after his mission with Crosshair, the Empire probably decided that Crosshair was no more an asset to the Empire than all the clones soon would be. So he became yet another outdated piece of equipment, soon to be phased out.

[@WolfeSaber]

I'm now thinking Dogma was the clone assassin instead of Slick. Slick wouldn't follow orders blindly, but Dogma did.

[@biggsdarklighter0473]

Off-topic, but it came up during watching this video: How anyone can fly an umbaran starfighter and actually control the flying. open hand: Fire the blaster cannons closed fist: start a rocket arms steer the fighter and control rotation

[@enderlionheart4497]

Yet one more reason why Alan is the best and I love this channel; in the beginning when you were talking about Dogma being the "eager young soldier" and thirsting for combat, it reminded me of the Band of Brothers episode where Percante and O'Keefe are manning a gun and O'Keefe is whistling away and wanting "some action". Then Percante goes off on him saying all the new guys are all "where the Germans at...", etc. and that that part was the best part of the war for him since he's been able to consistently get hot food, hot showers and could wipe his butt with real toilet paper. Aaaand then you go and reference CAPT Sobel about a good disciplinarian not making a good leader. You're just the best Alan.

[@supremefankai5480]

"Who's more the fool? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" In the end, it's all about how we face reality, or don't as the case of Dogma shows.

[@jeffjohnson1966]

Anyone else notice that Alan always says "porpoise" instead of "purpose"? Lol

[@Valkanna.Nublet]

He does it on porpoise ;)

[@Echo_419]

​@@Valkanna.Nublet 🐬

[@dhwwiiexpert]

Or "erotic behavior" instead of "erratic behavior".

[@samdalseide5060]

The editor noticed.

[@Red-jt6uu]

A Freudian slip from the guy who brings up his dislike of dolphins enough that it achieved meme status on this channel.

[@newtonewell5172]

Thank you for talking about this arc. M'Bara was the "Apocalypse Now" arc, and it was just as harrowing as the movie.

[@truefox1259]

Dude, you could have NOT posted this video at a better time. I've watched the whole clone wars but my friend hasn't and i've been re-watching it with him. And I kid you not we JUST finished watching the Umbara arc today.

[@WillysStuff]

You know Dogma is a blind follower when his name literally means a unquestionable belief in something

[@alexbibby9641]

excellent breakdown of blind loyalty in this video and the dangers of being blindly loyal. I watched Born on the 4th of July not too long ago, and I can see that the parallels between Dogma and Ron Kovic both make for excellent examples of how blind obedience make you the biggest victim of them all in wartime and in politics

[@teamdoghouse82880]

I've got to say, as a centrist libertarian type individual, I truly appreciate the subtle commentary you are making on contemporary American society and how it parallels with the Star Wars Universe.

[@dreadwing01]

This was one dark episode I remember it to this day. This video hits on so many levels of government and chain of command.

[@ohnenamen2843]

Fun fact: Idk how that is in other armies. But if that was in the German or the US military Rex couldn‘t be punished for not following the orders. In both armies junior commanders are not only allowed but incouraged to ignore orders, if they don‘t make sense because they usually have a better understanding of the situation that the higher ups

[@soaringraven0]

Eyes on the ground are much more important than those on a screen

[@RexWort]

Ironic in the Republic, made of loyal clones, it's bad to blindly follow orders Meanwhile in the Empire, made of different independent thinking people, being independent for yourself is a bad thing 😅

[@DragonJax29]

I always love seeing your vids pop up when I'm at work with nothing to do keep up the good work

[@benhenderson8952]

Perhaps loyalty can and should be reconsidered if the current leadership happens to be very questionable in their actions and demands. But of course the supposed complications to that would be the generality of subjectivity; different opinions etc.

[@Lady_highrock]

at 3:30, I can tell you from experience, during my deployment there was an entire combat arms portion of the 13th MEU that wanted nothing more for shit to go down hill and fast. Imagine training for years on end, getting to deploy and then sitting at the gate waiting for the starting bell to go off... and it never does. Not nearly as intense as Jarhead but ironically in much of the exact same vein.

[@bobstine3785]

Thanks!

[@tylerstocker6189]

I wonder if the Kaminoans tweaked the genetic codes of the clones as the war progressed. Almost like the first generation was the prototype, and each subsequent generation refines the design.

[@Angry_Peanut_52]

This can be applied to basically the entire Jedi Order. They were told that a sith lord was in the senate yet they ignored it, believing that they would have sense it

[@tatalsaba]

Good vid, several insightful observations and conclusions.

[@strambino1]

Great job, Alan! I love your analysis of Pong, Krell, dogma, and the soldiers of the 501st.

[@jonny45526]

I absolutely appreciate the duality of these videos to todays social climate… keep doing your amazing work

[@Darthbaldmouse]

Saluting in the Field is called “a sniper check”

[@critical_thinker0668]

The fact that so much of past Star Wars has been about the dangers of blind loyalty makes Holdo's story in TLJ even more odd and out of place to me. It'd be one thing if Holdo had a legitimate plan that she told the crew about and Poe was being unreasonable about it, but as it stands Holdo didn't tell anyone squat and just said "hey trust me i got this" as the situation got more and more dire.

[@KhukuriGod]

Well, it's Disney Star Wars so we can only expect shit from it.

[@clayrodriguez_author]

I have to disagree. She told everyone except poe, and cause poes our Pov we didn't know either. The flight crew had to have a destination, the transport pilots knew where they were going, the technicians had to get the cloaking devices ready, crew was extremely calm during the evacuation of the ship. Everyone but poes crew knew cause the only thing holdo knew about poe was he disobeyed direct orders from his commanders, got their entire bomber fleet killed for a glory kill when those bombers could have been used on vital targets like ship yards, amd endangered the first evacuation for personal glory. Amd his first act when he(a demoted officer who just did all that) wasn't told the plan was to insult her and yell at her and then mutiny. She told everyone but poe the plan cause he gave every reason that he couldn't be responsible and fight a war on a larger front instead of a single battle.

[@gayanudugampola8973]

@@clayrodriguez_author i disagree. telling Po would at the very least assured him they at least had a plan and wouldn't have led to a revolut.

[@Cthulhuwarlord]

@@clayrodriguez_authorbombers wouldn’t have done anything if they approached a target they would be ready for the resistance as they were travelling mostly in a straight line

[@metagamingbastards5379]

Those bombers were horrible and were death traps anyway. They were limited to the speed of handicapped snails and maneuvered like an arthritic whale on a beach. They were nothing but targets for the enemy and almost useless. The fault lies with whoever bought them and the designers as much as with Poe's refusal to back off.

[@bryanmiller8604]

Dogma, also may have had his mindset of identity as being already dead. I know lots of combat veterans that have this mindset before being deployed on a mission that’s pretty much guaranteed to end with a firefight. The hard part is once you get into this mindset, it’s very difficult to come back from it. Regardless how well you’re able to adjust your bearings afterwards, or the therapy you receive, this will always be a part of your personality, & persona. The “no f*cks given, because I’m already dead!” attitude, is a monster during peacetime, or especially civilian life, when you start to really begin to question if your life has any purpose, or value off the battlefield. God, have mercy on you, if this is further compounded by survivor’s guilt. That’s the perfect storm for suicide among combat veterans who return home, yet never truly, fully return home.

[@marsar1775]

One thing thats important to remember is the blind follower, is also a human being. misled by their own laziness and someone willing to take advantage of it, but still human. dont hate them off the bat. give them a chance. When you let hate "other" everyone who disagrees with you, your no better than the tyrant

[@ComfortsSpecter]

5:30 He- Band of Brothers reference! Yes-yes-yes!!!!

[@randomdude4505]

The timing of this video. Chef's kiss.

[@archeojoel]

Brilliant.

[@CharlesZurek]

i love your vids please do more like this

[@tyrionlannister4920]

good soldiers follow orders. true. honourable soldiers know, when to disobey them... when to show mercy upon a beaten foe... when to risk their own life to save their comrades, civillians and in rare but beautiful cases, to save an enemy...

[@treyhollingshead9102]

I literally rewatched band of brothers this last week, thank you for the laugh.

[@Tigerpanzer6666]

btw i think this is a reference of a ww2 battle (the battle not this sense pasficitly) 17:51

[@wedgeantillies66]

Blind loyalty to their jedi generals, may have caused the clones to get a few black eyes in the process in both cannons and legends from dark sided turned jedi generals. However, without the well earned loyalty to said Jedi and loyalty of the jedi to their clones, built up over three years of mutual suffering and fighting in the clone wars , the inhibitor chips would never have been necessary to cause the clones to turn into mindless drones and make them turn on those whom they had come to see as brothers and friends.

[@johannesbowers7467]

Dogma clearly came out of the tank with the "Good soldiers follow orders" switch hotwired and stuck in theconversation.

[@Xuphilo_CHSM]

I like to think that whoever’s in charge of punishing clones let Dogma off and assigned him to a unit with an incredibly caring and friendly Jedi.

[@devo1977s]

I gotta ask is that Tabasco sauce for your coffee, cause if it is you really gotta try the habanero sugar, that stuff really gives coffee a kick

[@Yacovo]

Thanks for the video

[@Mada_1337]

"A good solider follows orders." -Crosshair

[@jr1212-es9bp]

“When have we ever followed orders” Tech “Blind allegiance makes you a pawn” Hunter “We’re not big on following orders” Hunter

[@ExplosiveFloofBall]

I hope we get a graphic novel or something about what happened to Dogma

[@hunterackerman1697]

The theory that the clone assassin in Bad Batch was Slick. That could also go for Dogma.

[@nathanz5566]

(I’m hungry) -Hunter

[@ShadowJedi527]

"Who is more fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool?" - Obi Wan Kenobi

[@motherteresa8418]

Some times droids broke programing like choppers friend

[@motherteresa8418]

What Krell or Dexter who owned that dinner only example of The human body was Mr Plinket

[@e2myearly288]

I literally just finished watching this Arc. Perfect timing

[@DannyPageOfLight]

10:19 This Is The Way.

[@dianesinger9729]

Well done ❤

[@smartass0124]

How do recounts disorove counterfit . If says recounts debunk counter fight that shows their blind royalty

[@lerneanlion]

What's the different between Rex being the one who fired that shot and Dogma being the one who fired that shot? After all, Pong Krell is going to be executed for treason anyway.

[@nathansmith5738]

Rex probably wouldn't have shot him (at least not before Krell starts actively resisting capture), his gun is at the ready in order to prevent the evasion of capture. And no matter how open and shut a case might be, its vital that the proses be followed. No one should be the sole decider of life and death, because what if that person was wrong? Or was lying? judge, jury, executioner need to all be separate people with opportunities for appeal and a chance for the accused to defend themselves in a court of law. As much as justice can be perverted in this manner it is preferable than to allow any person or group unilateral to have the ability to kill someone when they feel like it. no matter how justified those feeling are.

[@TEMac-vx4cr]

This point has always bugged me.

[@aster4jaden]

It reminds me of certain people.

[@motherteresa8418]

If the separatist had justifications how come no episodes had the separatist in the right

[@michaelpontbriant6160]

Herbert M Sobel: an officer whom was more of a trainer than a leader, whom was jumpy in the field like a rookie. He had zero business trying to lead men into combat

[@shoresean1237]

I won't second-guess Filoni, but I will say: It might have been more interesting if Krell had just been plotting to get rid of as many clones as possible rather than being a Sith Wannabe.

[@mrtriathlondude]

"WhY dOeS sTaR wArS hAvE tO bE sO pOliTicAl?!" --Authoritarian womprats

[@itsharpszn2580]

excellent video

[@SheShootsTrad]

All sounds very familiar to how people behaved blindly during 'the thing' within the last 3 years 🤔

[@CptPhilippnes]

I don't think Dogma should be judged by the GAR too harshly for his actions. In a technical sense, he was following his general's orders and in the end executed a traitor that admitted he betrayed the GAR.

[@Reoh0z]

Yeah, Dogma didn't kill a Jedi Master... he killed a turncoat who had been sabotaging and slaughtering his brothers.

[@bryanfrazier4648]

why is there Tobasco sauce next to your coffee mug. What the hell are you drinking?

[@gary24fan]

Wow. It's almost like "Star Wars" is trying to teach us about real-life things that are happening right in front of us!

[@michaeldove3377]

Being in the military helps me understand star wars so much better

[@stefaneer9120]

Both are really dangerous. A political organization is also dangerous just like blind loyal soldiers.

[@Phoenix411th]

Krell was like my special education teachers

[@tyrionlannister4920]

did he have four arms???

[@Phoenix411th]

@@tyrionlannister4920 lol no more like his Tactics. Are similar

[@AlexanderCheff]

Sounds like the ones I've met too.

[@Phoenix411th]

@AlexanderCheff ya I was in a school shooter drill an I was in my ABUs an we had a kitchen in our classroom we had knives and forks an she told me to stand fast an defend the room she was FUBAR

[@tysondennis1016]

A person who never questions a fool is a fool themselves.

[@mitchlinnen2228]

Alan...don't think I dont see that almost empty bottle of Tobasco sauce sitting there, you monster 🤢

[@afam4ever298]

It's good that the clones knew their porpoise..

[@isaacragland4935]

Blind loyalty makes a weapon not a warrior!!!!

[@Zev123]

I love how he says porpoise.

[@JacobAAllen]

A good soldier follows orders.

[@pinaerpowac4130]

If the clones didn't off krell I'm sure Anakin would have.

[@ClericOfPholtus]

Did you mean his deployment was likely within the last few months of the war? Because the war only took a few years. Barely over 3 and less than 4.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

It's unlikely but possibly we could see dogma again.

[@jakecook2375]

Alan excellent explanation on why so many people follow a political agenda despite all of the damage their enemies are doing to them.

[@AbigatorM]

Sadly recent events shows it is still that way.

[@donaldrussell9406]

Dogma, the most "Dogmatic " of the clones I mean it makes sense

[@PocketBrain]

I'd love to see Pon Krell duel Grievous.

[@jasonwinstonjr8601]

Hey GT love the video's and have been watching for 2 years now. But I've never seen something that more recently has been touched on in the background of Star Wars. That is were the Separatist movement wrong? As in some ways if I try to scale their politics and faction as a whole I see that, they do happen to have some good points and predictions for that of the G.A.R. and some wrong ones for sure. But with the rise of the Empire and the aftermath of it Between Andor and Mando season 3 Episode 6. We get to see perspectives of the average Separatist citizen with the case of Mando season 3 and in Andor we as the fans are found cheering for a former Separatist citizen. I find this extremely interesting and have been wondering what's your opinion on it GT? As well as others opinions? I wanna hear it.

[@harshalshah4685]

Where can one purchase canned dolphin? Tuna-free, of course.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

How about how Dogma’s raised His Absolute Life to Believe the Hero General’s like Skywalker Know’s Best And then He serve’s under Nobody but Skywalker and is shown noting but examples of how He Know’s Best as He Is fairly an exceptionally Good Leader

[@TheBlckMandalorian]

I see u wit the Deep Cut Band of Brothers reference 😉 😂

[@schroder1972utrecht]

I was just following orders.... didnot go so well as an excuse at Neurenberg trials after WW2

[@BillChryslerSr]

You should do a video about how money flows and taxes and representation work in the republic

[@BugRib]

Should also keep in mind that Dogma is probably like five years old or something.

[@kvas6255]

Bro is the definition of: ☝🏻🤓

[@aaronwright6058]

Heard loud and clear.

[@popcornpop_1424]

That dolphin XD