George RR Martin on the Lord of Light

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[@ubivermiscerritulus195]

This guy knows so much about game of thrones, what a nerd.

[@lowbeatzz7742]

Ubi Vermis Cerritulus Exactly! It’s like he wrote the whole thing.

[@drowjack]

Haha

[@ubivermiscerritulus195]

@@lowbeatzz7742 Honestly I bet he could write the story better than the original author.

[@krisbrag87]

Its the author... Rwhoooosh

[@user-lj1cr8by8g]

@@krisbrag87 "Rwhoooosh" is the sound of this comment thread flying over your cranium.

[@benocq]

Zoroastrians: I’ve figured it out! We’re in the Bad Place

[@LayllaWillow]

I remember reading that "kill them all" when I was in elementary school. These moments in history made me a dropout from all major religions/churches. I have my visions of gods and entities, and it's way different from human BS churches created over the years.

[@gokublack2252]

WE MIGHT FIND OUT WHICH GOD IS THE MOST HIGH LORDOF LIGHT, MANY FACE GOD ,DROWNED GOD,THE WEIRWOOD TREES,OR THE NIGHT KING......

[@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person]

The god of Planetos is GRMM himself,he's the creator after all.

[@jamesa.1345]

I think the Night King IS the many faced god AND Rhllor. Probably the Drowned god too. The Others are like a hive mind controlled by himself and his subordinates, so the many faces of the dead are his eyes and ears. I think Melissandre, thoros etc are inadvertently worshiping the Night King and they are doing his bidding. He has some need of all those that are resurrected and the Azor Ahai and other associated prophecies are misdirection and a means to bring certain people forward like pawns. The NK must have showed the Hound the vision in the fire of the Arrowhead-shaped mountain, so that they would go there and NK would ultimately obtain a dragon. In regards to the Drowned god I think he is a drowned Other(s). Remember in hardhome they dont like the sea.. Could be something to do with the Hammer of the Waters? Also I think there is some significance of salt (elementally). Not just in guest right. I think the Walls magical properties are due to it being made of seawater, and salt melts ice. Sorry to get all tinfoil on ya ha.

[@iiCantSing]

@@jamesa.1345 That all makes a lot of sense that would be insane if you're right

[@stuartsummers1303]

None of the gods actually exist.

[@steel2572]

@@stuartsummers1303 How does Beric get resurrected over and over then? And how would you explain Brans powers. Theyre obviously connected to the weirwood trees which are connected to the old gods. So theres clearly real substance behind a few of these religions.

[@omegajbmb]

I feel like this guy should have written the final season of game of thrones.

[@foxmouth9380]

tincho he wrote a handful of episodes so it would've been pretty cool if he wrote these six episodes then he could go back to writing winds

[@DarthScosha]

Well he'll be writing the final book, that's ten times better.

[@spyurs4551]

In an interview he said that his book ending will be pretty similar to the d&d one... Ye it will surely be more detailed and "bookish", not so hurried, but we already know deny will die and bran will be king, not so much suspance

[@jumpstick9446]

@tincho Well they basicly did give up by denying HBOs offer to extend GOT to 10 seasons, and refusing to make 10 episodes for season 8, by saying: "No we can handle this in 6". And then went to work on Star Wars.

[@lukelim5094]

@greenapplepear it is not more or less. It is definately less. Essentially George gave the Dnd bullet points of what will happen. It is like a master painter giving two 4 years old the acess to all the paints and canvas in the workshop...... Guess what happen to the studio. That is right a mess. Just because you are given the great crayon and canvas doesn't mean the painting will turn out well.

[@flankspeed]

Straight-up gold from the master of How to Monetise Your History Degree 😂

[@-justme4163]

add tons of boobs and few dragons...

[@MrYouarethecancer]

This isn't Tolkein.

[@gunargundarson1626]

@@MrYouarethecancer r/weirdflexbutokay

[@JdeMonster]

@@MrYouarethecancer Tolkein was a linguist.

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

@@MrYouarethecancer I "ooooohhh"-ed and had to think fast to make it into a cough so everyone didn't think I was absolutely insane.

[@meh23p]

“The Catholics refuted this argument by killing them all”. Edit: Whooaaa, thanks for 3,193 likes y’all. (October 2021)

[@TheFiresloth]

"Hmmm, interesting point of view. But have you considered my axe in your face ?"

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

That seemed to happen a lot back in the day.

[@MrKamillordo]

@@incomments2864 Yeah, you could say that even the North fucking Korea is more mentally advanced.

[@phlexxo]

@@incomments2864 you from the inquisition?

[@rohanmiscrits]

@@thegrimknight9766 .

[@ce6129]

during this interview i found myself setting aside all the work that he's written, and marveling at all the work he must have read in his life. this man is a great example of what humans are capable when we utilize our gifts.

[@lordloaf7631]

He’ll never finish if you keep distracting him with all these damn interviews!!!

[@louisboyer837]

- it’s not a distraction. - is he writting ? - No. - So it’s a distraction.

[@RazvanCosti]

So it’s so clear why regular Hollywood producer figures can never aspire to write the kind of things George does. There is a deep well of historical, religious and philosophical analysis here that goes into creating all the actions of the ASOIAF saga. Hence, the shocking letdown that Season 8 is: a glorified popcorn fan-fiction

[@LYBIceman]

They’ve had much less time to work with. They are trying to adapt a story that doesn’t have an end to it that first got published the 90s. It’s been over 20 years in the making. Martin took basically the entirety of the show’s creation to write one book and it isn’t even the final book. I think they did a pretty good job considering the amount of time. It’s a quality tv show.

[@daveryan2473]

George puts in the same level of research which made Stanley Kubrick great

[@Shyhalu]

Naw, its just that good writing takes work and dedications....hollywood writing is all about following a formular to make some quick cash because most people have shit for standards.

[@LYBIceman]

Hakageryuu that would just be a confusing experience. If you did that with any long running tv show it would be confusing. I’m not really sure what you mean. How can you fully appreciate any story if you get just the last quarter of it? I have criticisms on the show I just don’t think the blatant rabid hate for everything the show is doing is warranted. I thought the whole Dorne storyline was a misstep but some good character development came out of it and their battle against Euron and capture by Cersei were pretty good moments in the show. Euron needed at least another season of development to make him a better villain. Also the story was definitely being rushed along the past couple seasons so we could come to the conclusion by the end of this season which does suck but it’s not show ruining. My criticisms come mostly from wanting the show to run longer. I think 10 full seasons would’ve been great. However we did not get that and that’s fine because the show is still good. Most of the criticism I hear past that just sounds like hating on the show just to hate on it. A lot of the talk of plot holes and poor writing decisions seem to be made by people who just haven’t been paying attention to the details or parroting the same criticisms made by their favorite KZbinr. There’s rarely any constructive criticism it’s mostly just hate. I hate this decisions because I just do. I hate this decision because D&D are hacks. I hate this decision because I can’t see the details leading up to it so it doesn’t make sense to me. I think the writing is still solid. Have there been missteps? Of course but not nearly enough to ruin the show. I think Game of Thrones has consistently been the best show on tv every season it’s been out. If there’s been anything better I’d love to know what so I can start watching it.

[@jotaiqc18]

Because writer love to write for the love of it. Hollywood writers want to pass a fucking political message.

[@darylpettiford4900]

Who knew Santa was such a scholar?

[@noahziegler3478]

What do you think he does the other 364 days of the year

[@ZoidbergForPresident]

You mean the Coca-Cola mascot?

[@0zz343]

Everyone who is at least somewhat interested in history knows this stuff, its part of the basics...

[@meredocu]

if this is santa that would explain why I never got my puppy. he probably died. maybe they all died. god what have I DONE!

[@jfr9964]

And all I wished was Winds of Winter for Christmas...

[@thebiggman103]

“The devil is a loser”. So true lmao, I love you George

[@TBStudios91]

It's so good to see Martin so knowledgeable about a part of history that is so often forgotten and not studied

[@ToddyPoddy-fy5dc]

Yeah. Especially catholic instigated genocide which is taken for granted and looked on positively at least in the west

[@kashay4415]

Redeem us, George! Give us a good ending! The death of the show musnt have been in vain!!

[@kashay4415]

@Scott Summers youre right the directing acting etc is amazing. everything but the writing is great

[@hakeemp4017]

The writing is real and most of you can't deal in reality. You watch your friend get her head cut off, lose a dragon you raised, and have people coming against you in betrayal all the while. A mental breakdown is coming, whether you want it or not isn't up for discussion. Just forget about her traumas and many sacrifices in patience and love. She experienced the end of it all many times over. I say "Kill them all, God will sort them out" too. The people of Kings landing were far from innocent and before you ask "What do I mean?" It's a place of peasants who praise and abide by men who kill for them. That's the reality of the situation. A person of any moral integrity would've been a wildling or at Winterfell. My point is most people don't know how they would've handled 1/3 of what she's been through. Consider all things in context.

[@kashay4415]

@@hakeemp4017 The problem is that the buildup was far too short. In my opinion they should have build her insanity up for at least ~ 10 episodes. In the books George R Martin is slowly building up Mad Dany; that simply wasnt the case in the series.

[@hakeemp4017]

@@kashay4415 That's just the consequence of a Hollywood hbo budget. They're in it for the business. I think she considered all things in fairness and respect to those she had conflict with before they began suffering consequences for their choices. You can't be a sweet ruler, people will try to run over you and it can make people wonder if you're strong enough to make tough decisions.

[@kashay4415]

@@hakeemp4017 you can't be a cruel leader either. She's basically Westeros Hitler (killed hundreds of thousands+ innocent people). You think just because you can't be harmless you should commit genocide? So: no, its just terrible writing.

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

I prefer watching these interviews to the actual shows now. Ever since the books ran out and the show became a very cardboard good vs evil yarn, I've lost interest.

[@loganpeterjones]

WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Ever since the show surpassed the books it seems like the show is having more clear protagonists and antagonists-less deep characters. This is exactly the thing George tried to avoid in his books

[@benjamindouglas862]

Did you watch last week's episode? Dani is going mad, the main protagonist of the whole series is gonna turn evil.

[@loganpeterjones]

Benjamin Douglas That’s true, she is a more morally ambiguous character. I just mean that Cersei and her ship man are clearly the bad guys, and they don’t seem to have any good in them. The opposite is true of Jon Snow, he seems completely good without any bad in him

[@loganpeterjones]

Johnny Fry True

[@marvinromero6718]

I miss the glory days when Tywin was still around 😐😥😢😭

[@Red-Brick-Dream]

"...and the Catholics refuted this argument by killing them all." XDXDXD

[@PatrickPierceBateman]

The fact that Game of Thrones is inspired by real historic events is one of the reasons I watch it. That, and the nudity, torture, and dragons.

[@CrazyLeyther]

Patrick Bateman Haven’t you got some videotapes to return?

[@hammerclubceo7075]

And zombies.......

[@dalrekantarah]

Patrick Bateman me too

[@tattvamasi5717]

Thats a good one. :D

[@Geopoliticstoday2]

Oh...you mean real history. 😂

[@dshepherd107]

This man’s knowledge of history is encyclopedic. A great deal of the events in his books are based on actual history. He’s truly a brilliant.

[@Monochromicornicopia]

Where's his Waluigi hat?

[@layejoker]

GDI lmao something seemed odd and I couldn’t put my finger in it

[@AMinorMusicify]

Wario surely, come on.

[@askthepizzaguy]

Chiming in that Waluigi is taller and skinnier than Luigi and Wario is the great big guy. So, Wario hat is the joke, but yeah. I get the joke. Humor processor #4207 activated. Result: Laughter. Ha, ha.

[@igorchistyakov8876]

Right! It's an imposter!

[@internziko]

George truly is a national treasure.

[@Papaty25]

*international

[@CalamityDiamond]

"Kill them all, God will know his own." - a 'Holy, God Fearing Man'

[@flankspeed]

I AM A GODLY MAN! -- Krastur

[@CliffTooth]

I don’t know about that. A god fearing man wouldn’t have killed many without knowing who is who. I don’t

[@CliffTooth]

Is that what the quotes are for? Lol

[@Lydeck]

@@CliffTooth he's making fun of the astounding hypocrisy showcased by medieval Christians.

[@ianw8479]

@@CliffTooth yes that's what they're for

[@elizabitty213]

This theory on our world being created by the evil God and the real God trying to get us all out it kinda reminds me of the conversation between Melisandre and Princess shireen (wow GRRM your brilliant!)

[@gnosticreverend6354]

look up Gnosticism too it has the same kind of thing. a lot of the early Christians were Gnostics who thought Jesus came from the true god and is our way to get back with him, and that the old testament god of material creation is the "bad" god that was himself created by the most high god who was also Jesus. I'm probably butchering a lot but Gnosticism is like an umbrella and not a strict set of beliefs anyway.

[@thomascogdill2970]

Jon."what kind of god would do something like that?"...Melisandre." The one we've got"

[@Shyhalu]

The biggest argument against God being good is that Hell sounds like a great time. Sex, orgies, drugs, gambling, alcohol, gluttony, etc etc.

[@mongoslade7194]

Gnosticism......

[@Shyhalu]

@subcomandante marcos Slave?? Have fun bending the knee to a tyrant that demands you don't enjoy the things he has given you nor ever question him. Enjoy knowing the one you worship has murdered thousands of creatures - children and innocents included. Enjoy kneeling to a monster that decided killing and torturing his own son was needed because he couldn't just forgive people for their sins...a son born out of rape as Mary had no ability to consent. Call me a simple person all you want - you worship a monster.

[@DarthPlato]

The Cathars' dualism had its roots in Neo-Platonism. It was the idea that the body was evil because it was physical. In their thinking, what was beyond the physical was divine. The Gnostics thought like this, as did the Docetists--the latter believed that Jesus was merely a phantom. Later on, Manichaeism grew out of this.

[@thomasanderson9621]

That is not neo-platanism

[@kingdomofthesaintful]

And all of them were inspired by the Bogomilists, who were first inspired by the Paulicians.

[@Furn427]

In fact the cathares' is only developing ideas that are already in christianity (that has it's roots like you say). The manifest world is a lower order than spiritual orders (the triangle diagram) and is obviously imperfect. Imperfection is not divine and is therefore driven by satanic motives. The cathares took this idea to the next level.

[@omkarsukthankar7371]

The Zoroastrians escaped their lands and found refuge in India. I have so many Zoroastrian friends and they’re amazing people.

[@sound9864]

Omkar Sukthankar Zoroastrianism was founded in Iran and we were neighbours to India

[@AxeDharme]

@Bobert Wiltshire He was speaking about his friends lol

[@kingdomofthesaintful]

Zoroastrianism is a Vedic religion like hinduism is. And Hindustani, Rahjastanim, Punjabi and Persians, being indo-aryan, all stem from the same group of people!

[@devarshraval4692]

@@kingdomofthesaintful well the indian guy knows this and the rest of what you mentioned are languages not religions or people

[@uzmasaood8314]

@@devarshraval4692 Zoroastrianism still exists in Iran like Yazd and other such cities.

[@whynottalklikeapirat]

I am the Lord of Latte

[@PresidentialWinner]

Lord of Late, my power is bad timing

[@jackenvexnaros231]

I think you misspelled it. It is called the Lord of Light.

[@scrotiemcboogerballs2133]

@@jackenvexnaros231 He was joking, "latte" is a type of coffee made with espresso and hot steamed milk

[@jackenvexnaros231]

@@scrotiemcboogerballs2133 yeah.... I thought my joke was obvious, but I guess not.

[@James-yy4vl]

Jacken Vex Naros just not funny

[@DarthWinterMadness]

My mom wrote a book on Cathar Legends a few years after we moved in Southern France... We lived where Cathars built their civilization, and there was a lot of animations telling their story! We still have a good amount of what they built, whether it's still perfectly standing or in (almost) ruins... Anyways, I already knew GRRM was heavily influenced by European history, I'm glad he didn't forget my country! And even better, used history from where I spent almost a decade from teen to young adult! Peace from France y'all! 🍻

[@gwalchafed]

I am surprised you can speak english ! :D greetings from Germany :D

[@Zek_Ken]

GRRM: Genius loremaker who weaves the Lord of Light into Westeros mythology. D&D: LoL is like some dude that grants miracles and then fucks off lololol.

[@asadachiboi]

The Albigensians really just were straight up 1st century Gnostic Christians pt 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@stoutyyyy]

The Cathars were also a resurgence of the early Christian Gnostics, who had essentially the same dualist belief

[@TankDerek]

Seems particularly similar to Marcion and his conception of the evil Demiurge, which created the world and humans, and the kind Stranger God, which Jesus heralded and who brought salvation. Of some minor interest, Marcion put together the first gospel canon from the writings of Luke and Paul.

[@mgd8867]

Cathars were killed because they said the old testament god was the devil

[@JackovdaBoro]

Krummi they were right the Jewish god in the Old Testament is pretty evil. Causing famines , genociding Egyptians etc.

[@thomasanderson9621]

@Paraponera T you sound stupid

[@fluidthought42]

@Paraponera T The contradiction of style between YHWH of the OT and the Heavenly Father of the Gospel has been a source of contention and hot debate for literal millenia. It's the source of one of Christianity's oldest heresies, and even recently created denominations like the Church of Latter Day Saints has its own spin on the subject. Your confidence is, at best, misplaced.

[@me_meyou_youus_us]

When I hear the context of this stuff I'm blown away, no wonder this is the fiction of our generation.

[@michalvalta5231]

@bobby kotata And which generation exactly? Or more like - what does it have to do with any generation? :D

[@randeepgill4766]

one piece better

[@RazvanCosti]

bobby kotata perfect trolling open-ended question. Way to go being a douchebag

[@sarmavlada]

Lord of Light is system admin

[@swackhammer2139]

D&D to Lord of Light: sudo rm -rf /

[@vianeyboruel504]

I would love for George to be my history teacher

[@marcoswillianl]

You would become Dumb Just like him. (Maybe You already are)

[@gnosticreverend6354]

isnt the clitoris basically just a tiny penis? lol just kidding yeah I find him compelling too fuck the haters.

[@pierre-lucardichen7673]

I grew up in this very part of southern France (Toulouse) where the Cathares were wiped out by the crusade. It never occurred to me that the Lord of Light's religion in Martin's books could have found its inspiration in the Cathares but it actually makes some sense, it's nice. By the way, kind of glad to see that a bunch of you readers are actually able to see the possible connections with Gnosticism and even neo-platonism (you're still and you will stay a pack of nerds but that's all right because "Dieu reconnaîtra les siens"). Thank your for uploading

[@jonharrison9222]

Religions are advertising agencies for a product that doesn’t exist.

[@sergeant_chris6209]

GRRM: *mentions Cathars* CK2 players: My greatest foe, we meet again

[@flymilo904]

actually, the old religion of Iranians before Zorrorastianisam was like there is one god(creator) before the time he had two sons(creations), son of light and son of darkness Ahora Mazda and Zarvan. and Azor Ahai name always reminded me of the name Ahora Mazda

[@villikuha7387]

What about their quippy step-brother Aloha Toyota?

[@maskedmarvyl4774]

sisi swan , now Mazda is a car. He's come down a long way....

[@TheKadanz]

@@villikuha7387 And their roman cousin gaius prius

[@flymilo904]

@@maskedmarvyl4774 well that,s also is inspired by this

[@flymilo904]

@@villikuha7387 never heard of him must be fun to hang out with

[@albcev1511]

Pretty sure Zoroastrianism is still around lol

[@subutaynoyan5372]

It is in Iran

[@drftr7735]

Lol there so little tho a little in Iran and a little in India or Pakistan don’t really remember

[@gromhellscream4487]

@@drftr7735 It's thousands of people, and growing because people have rejected Islam. They see it as embracing ancient tradition.

[@ethan073]

Thumbnail takeaway: Idris Elba is the Lord of Light

[@MHCE444]

Jesus was Black.

[@ozeppeo]

Moqorro.

[@yusufbey1587]

Ethan C makes sense

[@yusufbey1587]

El Duderino 😂😂😂😂

[@heythere8917]

Jim Morrison real jews are black so stfu whitey

[@Am979100]

I like listening to George talk. I don't really listen to what he says but it works great before bed!

[@Evan-Fisherton]

That was funny *laughing

[@RubelliteFae]

lol I also fell asleep to this video

[@nunoprazeres9434]

Omg me too ahah after 1 min I’m not even listening anymore

[@nebulousisgod]

So true

[@dimeclipent]

Same lol

[@haroldtheherald1428]

Love the Victarian Greyjoy chapter where the lord of light cured his hand and he threw the maester off the ship. This is after the male maester was complaining the iron born were raping him because he was handsome

[@Userius1]

If only Victarion was on the show. So much missed opportunity for both him and Stannis.

[@ieradossantos]

Elissa Farman, sailor of my heart, deserves a TV show / movie of her own

[@Mike.Ivory.Music7]

Agreed. Would only need one season really. Her love affair with the princess, stealing the dragon eggs, then sailing west of westeros. Although a sequel could actually show all of her unwritten adventures I guess.

[@terrasb120]

If GRRM directed and wrote the scripts for GOT alone it would’ve went like 13 seasons lol

[@dranomiscato2510]

personally i believe a little more seasons than that. they left out a lot of characters and a much bigger budget.

[@psychotech3927]

ah.. George RR Martin. The Lord of Late

[@gromhellscream4487]

Good one.

[@kulensky]

Interesting think, Cathars was inspired from the Bogomils of the Firts Bulgarian Empire. Ithink they too was pursued and killed all.

[@1HUSEINKAPETAN1]

The Bosnian heresy, which was a mix of Arian, Bogumil and Cathar teachings survived and was a majority in the Bosnian Kingdom including the King and the Nobles being part of the heresy, survived from 11th century until the conquest of Bosnia by the Ottomans, when most Bogumils converted to Islam.

[@hognigk96]

The Manichean religion, which sprang out of Persia in the 3rd century and influenced early christianity a great deal, also had a similiar dualis "good vs evil" system.

[@invertedgames7993]

sounds like a cool religion. *we should bring it back*

[@sirperybLakeney]

Only good for vegans and people who hate sex.

[@invertedgames7993]

how so?

[@sirperybLakeney]

@@invertedgames7993 Cathars favoured a diet close to veganism (fish were considered okay) and believed that we are souls trapped in matter (matter being the stuff of the evil universe) and that procreation trapped more souls here.

[@En_theo]

Interesting concept. So if they are right, the god of good lost ?

[@sirperybLakeney]

@@En_theo No, they believed that the world we live in was always a creation of the evil god.

[@qayyumchariff4895]

So, who the actual fuck is Azor Ahai? Does anyone knows?

[@davidsirmons]

The three wise men who visited Jesus with gifts IN HIS HOUSE a few years after he was born were Zoroastrians. They were searching for the anointed one for that new age.

[@creamesoda79]

The early Christians, particularly the rival sect lead by Jesus's brother James, were a heretical Jewish sect, as such, were like all Jews allied to the Persian Empire, and used the fact that Magi (Zoroastrian priests) were at the time searching the skies each year for a star, which would signal the coming of the Saoshyant, the Zoroastrian Messiah, who's imminent birth was expected. When the Roman's wiped out Jewish Christians, Romanised Pauline Christianity won out, and probably absorbed those tales, but with a less overt reference to the Persians.

[@onetimebear5681]

@Pecu Alex The whole of Christ's story is fictional and has been re branded through out thousands of years and peoples. That's why many, many religions, years and miles apart have the same occurrences like the 3 kings visiting the birth, died and risen in 3 days, performed miracles, etc. It's a dramatized explanation of the changing constellations/ planetary movement above.

[@DarthPlato]

The idea that the wise men were three in number came later--it does not appear in the Bible.

[@keithklassen5320]

@@DarthPlato Right, it's only because they brought 3 gifts; gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

[@demoiselledelamontagne]

The three wise men from the east were Buddhist monks from Tibet, searching for the next "Dalai lama". Myrrh and incense are part of Buddhist prayer rituals not typical gifts for a child.

[@realityvanguard2052]

No lord of light means nothing thanks season 8!

[@Alejojojo6]

From the moment I read about it and watched it in the show, I knew the R'hollor faith was based on Zoroastrism and Catar believes. And that it's in fact implied to be the true religion of that world.

[@franksmith4236]

If God is all good he can't be all powerful and if he's all powerful he cannot be all good

[@RubinRudeboyCarter]

@@BlueSky-vd6qh fucking dummy

[@gunbutter830]

Ahhh,.. Fundamentalist Atheist. How cute.

[@RubinRudeboyCarter]

@@gunbutter830 nope use logic and you will reach a dead end , dummy

[@A_Studio_X]

He is so in peace with himself. I just love to hear him talk

[@Viguier89]

People should check on google "Carcassonne" a former cathar city. It is a wonderful place.

[@shiftstart]

I hope JRR Martin hasn’t watched Season 8 Episode 1-6.

[@TheMrGazoline]

@Ailee Georsua did he say the reasons to him not watching it?

[@seandewell9319]

@@TheMrGazoline I think he doesn't want it to have any influence on what he writes.

[@thealch3myst]

Thanks Lord of Light for lighting up the 3rd episode

[@CharlieVictor212]

Lord of light is not black please correct thumbnail.

[@DH33.0]

The white walkers are the good guys

[@amenthegreat3761]

No they aren't.

[@josephmcfadden6513]

White Walkers are earth's magical revenge upon the rich empires of GoT for their vice and excesses. May they be victorious!

[@Varthaer]

Well guess they lost huh ;)

[@DH33.0]

Varthaer Fallen Yeah shame. Maybe NK has respawned in the land of always winter lol

[@Varthaer]

@@DH33.0 maybeeee

[@serene-illusion]

If you ever thought humans wouldn't be as fucked up as they are in ASOIAF, a quick look at history would always tell you otherwise

[@account-gp4sn]

He sounds exactly like Gwildor from the Master of the Universe movie haha

[@KingBuddha84]

account oh my god you are so riiiiight!!!!!

[@account-gp4sn]

@@KingBuddha84 "I was gonna share! I was gonna share!" -- Gwildor, on first discovering BBQ chicken wings

[@karinanalbandyan3009]

Before I even saw this, I figured he based “lord of light” on Christianity/Abrahamism & Zoroastrianism. He says here that he based “lord of light” religion on Zoroastrianism & Gnostic Cathars. I don’t see Gnostic cathars, because Melisandre was doing the burning of people, when the real world Cathars were the ones being burned in mass. I connect the “lord of light” to Abrahamic religions specifically Christianity in all of its forms. Christianity was the one burning people in mass, because they did not want to give up the old folk faith of their forefathers. When it comes to Gnostic faith, there’s a lot that’s open for speculation, because no one can really pin point exactly what the Gnostics believed. Gnostics of old were even criticised, because they were so unorganised, there wasn’t really any dogma in Gnosticism. Yes, many modern scholars will tell you that Gnostics had a very negative view of the physical reality, and matter, that they had a ani-nature view. Many modern sources will tell you that Gnostics believed this physical world to be the creation of the Demiurge the evil lesser god, and that physical reality/material world is a material prison, and even physical bodies are a material prison that traps the spirit. I don’t agree with them. There are some scholars today, like for example John Lash who disagree with most scholars on Gnostics, and say that Gnostics didn’t have a negative view of matter, earth, nature, or physical body. He even goes so far as to say that planet Earth is goddess Sophia. I agree with him. I don’t believe Gnostics saw this planet and nature as evil, or as a prison. I think Gnostics aligned with the views of old, pre-Christian, indigenous Europeans pagan cultures like Nordic, Teutonic, Slavic, and Celtic, who all saw earth and nature as divine & sacred. If anything, it is Christianity who taught its followers that the earth is Satan’s world, and that earth is a place of punishment where god banished Adam & Eve to, when he kicked them out of garden of Eden

[@lordnoiado]

Hmm, Cathars were harmful and destructive people

[@juicynugget]

1:32 when he rubs his nose it looks very flexible and rubbery lol

[@Ps3keks15]

Arturinis Cos hahaha

[@srikanthtammina1900]

that's what you take from this video

[@juicynugget]

@@srikanthtammina1900 yep

[@emilinebelle7811]

Lol thanks had to watch it 50 times.

[@dantehilgenberg89]

That’s probably due to all the coke that went up there

[@Draeka]

Growing up I always thought God and the Devil were brothers of equal power that were feuding for control of the cosmos. That their struggle was a war fought with souls instead of for souls. My orthodox family didn't care for the idea but I still think it would make a cool movie.

[@robhannigan7562]

That battle is happening right now.

[@Sailorjerry46]

@Petr Kinkal You’re right my bad

[@JackovdaBoro]

The cathars were right.

[@gilgameshlornezhad57]

i know many zoroastarians...they are complicated . but you must know zoroastarianism based on mithra cult.mithra cult is the thing you guys need to read about that.

[@gilgameshlornezhad57]

sorry for typos

[@AGCcachanilla]

Love this dude, i wish he did seminars on history so young aspiring writers can get ideas from his teachings

[@clintpot8521]

Dark king winning is much more interesting than the way the show went. Loser humans retreat to essos and redistribute the culture of the east while the west is infested with zombies. Great setup for future tales!

[@kuraiji1475]

Ah so we will learn about how GOT people praise this lord of the light...hmm

[@Furn427]

I am from Albi, the capital of the cathare country, we have a beautiful cathedral, the Sainte Cécile. It is the world's biggest historical building made out of red bricks. It was a peaceful religion but the king of France wanted it eradicated, so we had to fortify our buildings. Unfortunately we were wiped out, but the cathedral remains. There is also the Toulouse lautrec museum next to the cathedral, a famous contemporary artist from albi

[@randomsasquatchwithwifi4090]

The night is dark and full of terrors.

[@djsuswbsb]

If this guy knows so much he should just finish the books 🥱

[@mattmelnarik8718]

Ive always said, that the best writers and story tellers understand dualism. It in itself is at the forefront of all human archetypes. Archetypes in general are cast throughout the spand of time, coinciding with great legends and stories. Some authors write about archetypes unknowing, only on the basis they reside in our psyche and our traditions, and some authors know the archetypes and their role. Those that know tend to write with depth that is palpable...as does George R R Martin.

[@andyrobertson58]

Matt Melnarik trying to be a smart arse with a copy and paste 🤦‍♂️

[@mattmelnarik8718]

@@andyrobertson58 Nope, there is just cognitive adults out there that can articulate an abstract idea, and put them into words that are above a 8th grade reading and comprehension level.

[@kpllc4209]

I have always felt dualism was childish.

[@MichaelCorleone654]

KP LLC Except that the universe is based on dualistic principles. Look at day and night, hot and cold, right and left, masculine and feminine, happiness and sadness. Most everything in our experience is dualistic so stating that dualism is childish shows an ignorance of one of the fundamental mechanics of life.

[@kpllc4209]

@@MichaelCorleone654 If you look deeper their is no difference. Day and night are not opposite just the position of the earth in relation to the sun. Happiness and sadness are emotions and they have no reality outside our brain. Masculine and feminine are two aspects of humanity. Dualism says there is a battle between good and evil. Monism says good and evil are just points of view. From a greater perspective there is no difference. GRRM even says he hates characters that are evil just to be evil. His characters have depth and you can argue that even the worst ones believe they are doing the right thing.

[@vividly94]

I like how if people actually studied theology, they'd realize and probably predict more than half of the modern day interpretations and stories. Just finding out about Greek religions (yes, including Paganism) opened my eyes to a lot of easily read symbolisms, ideologies, and beliefs in any sort of media -- including in real life. Then there are those who refuse to even study it because it has the word 'religion' in it. Its astounding.

[@felixvandenberghe8920]

@Jon Snow Don't swear to make your point more persuasive. It makes you seem even more ignorant than the person you just commented on.

[@JanglingYourBo]

@Pecu Alex Christ man, you don't have to go to a college to learn this crap, just go to a library or a bookstore and pick up a book or two on religions. Or use youtube and the internet. One of the biggest scams we've fallen for these days is that we need an institutional education system to learn, suprise suprise, we don't.

[@Ntnt11]

Predict how? Did it predict iphones or AI or something? No they dont. They all give vague predictions which you have to interpret to something extraordinary while its just banal. Religious texts do contain some ancient wisdom but as a whole , religion focuses on manipulation, large scale deception and a lack of critical thinking.

[@godsaveme]

​@@Ntnt11 In each soul is a part of both God of good and God of Evil, call it YHWH or Lucifer, Aesir or Vanir, call it karma or whatever whatever you believe its all the same thing in different takes. Where gods powers was used to give us life, creation, creativity, love, passion, inspiration, knowledge, fear, hatred, greed, death and destruction and the free will to do things we want and also change things we could, what've been given since we were animals is a piece of the gods to be shaped by the into their liking and serve them. Its that extra divinity that you've been given to use as you wish in this life or the next. Either you can be good, evil or somewhere in the grey. All there is to it is for you to reach higher enlightment, how you do it is your own quest and life. The goal is to reach such a high enlightment that you in a sense become as close to a god you can. The path each person take though and what truly happens after is not for us to decide. Enlightenment doesnt necessary mean either good or evil. So which way should we follow? How would you want to live together with the world and all life it nourishes. The choice is always our own. Ancient texts, religions, sagas, history, chemistry, psychics, psychology, anthropology and a bit of common fucking sense about the future of your offspring will probably lead the common human to a somewhat righteous path. But first the world needs balance and you just have to look outside to see that the world is suffering and we are the cause of it. For all we know the life we have is the most precious thing since true divinity is out of your reach no matter how much you want it, but you can still use the divinity the Gods gave you to do whats best in this life. May the gods watch over you all.

[@discomfort5760]

Religions are political ideologies centered in the belief of supernatural realities.

[@cainification]

Wiener, wiener wiener, wiener wiener

[@stvnking8826]

cainification 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@outdoorpompano2]

Stvn King south park made a parody on game of thrones

[@cainification]

@@outdoorpompano2 I'm pretty sure the laughing emojis are there because he already knew that lol

[@binnysan]

@@outdoorpompano2 wow, you don't say???

[@05credito]

soft weiner, nice and soft, none erect, weiners.

[@thevlaka]

lmao so much for the lord of light

[@praveenkumar-ok4fd]

every line he says feels like the ending of Game Of Thrones

[@Skandarr788]

Evil God damn it, I love this man

[@chosenchad1155]

I always thought in a sense that the lord of light is George RR Martin if he was a character in the show but never had an appearance.

[@Jack-rk7jc]

Idk if he'd write himself as the cause to the death of Shireen

[@kerrybrennan7099]

Jack M she’s not even dead yet in the books..

[@chosenchad1155]

@FuckYouAllToPieces He's actually jewish so the sense of Santa Claus doesn't exist.

[@chosenchad1155]

​@FuckYouAllToPieces wdym nooooo which comment are you replying to.

[@kjh311]

George IS the one who brings characters back to life. .if he feels like it

[@austinjackson7103]

I love this man for the fact he knows his history.

[@ericbrooks939]

*European history

[@lovely1762]

Amen for that. Which is a good thing.

[@GlizzyGoblin757]

@@ericbrooks939 who cares about anywhere else

[@matter7864]

I liked the show's ending but if I want a truly satisfying ending I know the books are where I'll need to find that

[@jcdenton7261]

Shows ending sucked

[@Oyimsbaba]

The truth/history/reality is always stranger than fiction.

[@ayazmunir3302]

Zoroastrians, so few left in the world , luckily I have known quite a few in my city Karachi

[@Music1222]

What are they like?

[@killjoy004]

@@Music1222 They carry three katanas with them and are known to be very bad with directions.

[@fuzsyed2239]

Music1222 there tribal simple people

[@zenon3021]

religion is for the weak and the stupid. Nothing supernatural has ever been demonstrated to exist - it's ALL superstition

[@fuzsyed2239]

@@zenon3021 funny how in history it has always been the strong and smart who have been religious while the weak and stupid were slaves.

[@hi_austin]

Watching this entire interview really makes you realize how terrible this interviewer is. I don’t think she had ever heard of ASOIAF before GRRM showed up that day.

[@mpcjunkie72]

I knew nothing about this subject but now I know everything about this subject.

[@Elvathar]

Your doing internet correctly.

[@RubelliteFae]

You should fact-check GRRM. He's getting a few points wrong

[@k.v.7681]

You don't know everything on the subject. It's one of the most complex episodes of religious and western european history. A five minutes fact spreading (with some of them wrong, but I can't blame him, giving the outline of the sbject in five minutes as he did is quite complex and admirable) isn't enough to understand the complexity of the subject and the ramifications it had.

[@carlosmedrano7005]

Elvathar is the only one that somewhat gets my comment. I’m doing what millions do - getting an internet education

[@RubelliteFae]

@@k.v.7681 You said it better

[@doberman194]

A very strange event happend when a whole number of people born in Bath city England all claimed to be struggling with dreams from a past life I believe it was Tony Robinson who presented a documentary on it, the people who were experiencing the dreams had no idea of eachother yet they were all remembering similar events in their dream's, it turns out they were all Cathars in their previous lives and could remember the mass murder of it, it's very strange that a large number would go on to reincarnate and live within a city without even knowing how closely they were apart, really fascinating stuff

[@LetsGoGetThem]

Its more Manichaeistic than Zoroastrian.

[@kingdomofthesaintful]

Though Zoroastrianism had Fire temples

[@tonytucci3231]

The Cathars were all killed for believing their good God was trying to free them from this world... looks like he came through for them.

[@appleciderhorror12]

If you can't win by argument just kill them all - (Medieval) Theology

[@argadargad9128]

The lord of Light is from Mandaism that is an ancient monotheistic religion in Southern Iraq that predates Ibrahim and Zoroastranism, God is considered the lord of light

[@Joyride37]

Maybe its because I've been replaying Skyrim lately but "the world created by an evil god that the good god is trying to get us out of", and that the physical realm is sort of inherently evil, reminds me a lot of the in-game lore where the Thalmor outlaw the worship of the trickster/creator god and basically want to the destroy the world to go back to the "good 'ol days" of being eternal spirits. The Elder Scrolls games also took loose inspiration from Hinduism, Thelema, and other gnostic christian/dualistic religions like GRRM did here, so it's cool to see how different writers create and tweak ideas from similar sources.

[@glipgloppapi9959]

I feel like he teaches me more about history than history teachers know themselves

[@theotherside931]

*Never tell a Christian that the world accepted Jesus through cries and blood. Such truth is hated.*

[@klauspendolo1393]

Well, I am a Christian, I heard you and I dont hate you. Myth busted....

[@theotherside931]

@@klauspendolo1393 *I'm sure you do.*

[@josephjones7020]

Jesus died for you, Otherside. But I wouldnt.

[@theotherside931]

@@josephjones7020 *How could he have? We never met. He never left the entirety of Roman Empire controlled lands.*

[@biitchimballin93]

@@josephjones7020 Jesus was scapegoat myth to keep people in control , Christianity is a combinations of mutiple prior religions including pagan ones. They used "Christianity" to justify invading and stealing resources ultimately. Religion is a choice, if life has free will than why else shove it down everyone's throat. Coming from a native aborigine of America, people were happy and free before the shackles of Christianity facading as prophecy came and swooped and swindled millions of their homeland , history, and culture, to accept some pasty heathen who is a patchwork weapon of genocide for the so called kings queens in rule

[@momookus5409]

George is the good god and d and d are the evil god

[@bjorlam8201]

"The catholic church refuted that argument by killing them all" Welcome to the middle ages

[@yw1971]

Actually, the name is taken from Martin's longtime friend, Roger Zelazny. In the novel of the same name, it's the title of Buddha

[@Feroxing12]

actually it's not.

[@yw1971]

Feroxing12 Actually it’s yes

[@ryanmax-grappler8654]

Not gonna lie I only clicked cause of the thumbnail suggesting the Lord of light might be black

[@ryanmax-grappler8654]

Jason Strom I am black. Just thought it would be an interesting topic

[@TheFiresloth]

It's a character in the books, Moqorro. He's a high ranking priest of R'hllor.

[@mattatuckmanful]

Who wants to be trapped in an elevator with George RR martin?? Any takers?

[@nolderine]

Depends.. will he be in stockings and high heels ?

[@bobsvagene3021]

I am Iranian/Persian and Zoroastrian.

[@Jadae]

Tell Melisandre to quit using leeches. Gurl is nas-tay.

[@Losrevan]

Ok ‘John Smith’

[@ClearlyVague1]

Isnt it funny that no matter where you're born, whichever religion your born into, that you're God is the right God and everyone else's is false or wrong? Interesting to think about

[@kerrydustin3996]

Too true my friend. 🍻

[@BRADU5]

GRRM is on a whole other level...

[@kkbaby30]

The Lord of Light brought Jon back to kill women, little girls and virgins. Somehow even light manages to cast shadows.

[@TheAngryHippie]

Cathars = Gnostics.

[@GEDOHBLAZZTER]

Crazy. I was just thinking about that time I learned about Zoroastrianism in school 🤔

[@salimshafie5614]

I think they even worship their god in front of a fire

[@tonegrgic1620]

He is so smart