Giants, Frost Giants, Sea Giants & Illyadi | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #19

WELCOME to the Elder Scrolls Podcast with FudgeMuppet. In this episode, Scott, Michael & Drew discuss the Giants.
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[@Aethuviel]

I have to say a thing about dwarves: The common theory in TES is that "well, Dwemer are called 'dwarves' because they were small next to the giants", but akchually... "Dwarf" does not mean "little person". In Norse mythology (where dwarves come from), "Dwarf" was a mythological creature, just like elves and fairies. Elves did not have pointy ears prior to Tolkien, it's a product of modern fantasy. And dwarves weren't necessarily short either, it's a product of modern fantasy. "Dwarfs" as in the mutation making people short, was named after the mythical people, who weren't even necessarily short. Norse mythology dwarves were often interchanged with dark or black elves, and they lived underground. In a sense, TES got it right by making their dwarves human-sized. I find this very interesting and want more people to know about it. TL;DR: In the original sources (Norse mythology), there is nothing saying "Dwarf = short person".

[@Pakshee_C]

Dwarf, dwerg, dwergar meaning wraith or treacherous being 👌🏻 Edit: they're underground elves. Blacksmiths and miners. They also created freyrs metal boar for him to ride. Like the dwemer eso mounts

[@andrewdriver3318]

There are actual depictions and stories that portray Norse dwarves as being the same size as the gods an jotuns which would make them larger than men.

[@mambojambo4870]

Just gotta say... Yes

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"Got it right" It's all fiction lol

[@-Erebus]

Thats what killing you means

[@crandleberrysadie]

Perfect for watching while having breakfast on a lazy Sunday morning. Thanks, guys!

[@rokturi]

wdym its 3.02 in night bro 😂😂😂

[@themalakorein396]

@@rokturi im curious if you are joking or if you don't understand time?

[@angelomancuso8490]

Imagine an elder scrolls game where you can go to Atmora and it's just filled with giants and frozen undead.

[@cosmerdisstudios4399]

Beyond Skyrim is that and more

[@Darthwgamer]

Just another day in the office.

[@Kravenrogue]

Maybe make Just an Random Exploration area? Like we choose to Go there, and is always a Random locale and enemies

[@pIayingwithmahwii]

That’s exactly why they wouldn’t make it. Unfortunately that’s not enough to keep the normies interested

[@komiks42]

​@@pIayingwithmahwiiIt would be kinda boring. But DLC about being one of folks who get onto a ship, that head there, then find (insert magicial item needed to save the day), could work. You know, mayby ther IS some civilisation, just extremly hostile, thats why noone come back or something We kinda know nothing about this place, so you can really make a lot out off it.

[@menamesskit3336]

In Skyrim, Ysgramor is larger than a regular scaled Nord.

[@Darthwgamer]

Big boi

[@daedricender7276]

His size could be a trait from his giant ancestors if this theory is correct

[@menamesskit3336]

@@daedricender7276 Well, maybe not like the giants we see in Skyrim giants, but the theoretically tall people from Atmora giants probably. As soon as I posted it I thought someone was gonna say it’s because he’s described as being a really big dude anyway, just taller and more muscular than everyone else.

[@Kira-is9vu]

He's an atmorean not an Nord

[@menamesskit3336]

@@Kira-is9vu Yeah, I know, but the theory they’re suggesting might suggest Atmorans at that time were still the size of Nords, maybe a little taller, but he’s also famous for being really large and strong for a Nord. And I’d bet in Sovngarde there’d be many more taller people if Ysgramor was taller as an Atmoran than as a strong Nord. I don’t know if the game developers wanted to give off the Atmoran feel, or the big powerful buff dude who could wield Wuuthrad in one hand. And Nords are Atmoran, it’s kinda like saying Mayim Bialik is American not Czech/Hungarian, or Al Pacino is a New Yorker, not an Italian.

[@rickymunoz881]

Every Sunday, i get my day off, I get to play some Elder scrolls in the morning,listen to the podcast, and puff on some weed

[@Khennet108]

I think i just met a great friend

[@voidghost4933]

Me too man

[@magicalpuffcorn]

Me three man

[@FC3zombiehunter]

This is it right here^

[@theeloquentbrigand2232]

Same lmao

[@pepehammad2246]

its been a day of elderscroll for me ...........just enjoyed a show of camelworks on The Augur Of Dunlain ................i need a podcast on that for information !! please

[@safaricompanion]

Right into my veins

[@ND_Dova]

@@safaricompanion injected

[@crandleberrysadie]

All 3 hours of it...

[@Priceluked]

I always liked the idea that the Frost Giants are actually remnant Kamal from the Kamali invasion.

[@permixtg4322]

What if the Giants are much closer to what the wandering ehlnofey were actually like, and the shared ancestry is from Kyne transforming them into the Nords?

[@biggestnoob4704]

I think Giants and Trolls came from Ehlnofey that developed separately from Men and Mer, since they both have pointed ears, snubby horns, and sometimes scutes on their skin.

[@Sithisine]

My headcannon is that the Frost Giants are a rare, huge, species of troll, and are only called giants because they're big.

[@Just_Another_Gravemind]

Michael- "Giants have really really pale skin" Me a theorist: Are you suggesting they might secretly be irish?

[@FnRenner]

Tall Irishmen are called Scots...

[@Just_Another_Gravemind]

@@FnRenner lol, the conspiracy grows deeper still

[@caleb2869]

Irishmen are tall scots are burly

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

@@FnRenner but I'm Scottish, and I'm short.

[@pedrocaina3323]

@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen hate to be the one saying it bro but you are actually English...

[@Machturtle7491]

Absolutely love the podcast guys, it's just what I need to get me through this horrible semester

[@caleb2869]

I love these guys chemistry and ive been watching this podcast every time it comes out. I intend to continue watching this podcast

[@claytonbond9713]

I have to drive an hour to school and these podcasts are perfect for the long drive. Thanks guys!

[@undeadwerewolves9463]

I love this channel. Thank you guys for all being so dedicated to bringing us amazing elder Scrolls videos! I love sitting and listening to these while I draw! 😄 Also Frost Giants will always haunt my dreams. That is all.

[@BigDaddy0Kev]

Next podcast idea for discussion, the dark brother hood/ morag tong, the faction that’s been around for so long

[@realzachfluke1]

Scott: “Can I have some _drink for thought_ as well?” Me: ....you’re a goddamn genius, Scott. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@syntaxerror2892]

would you guys ever consider getting guests on the podcast like devs and writters such as kirkbride

[@samuelgulizia7711]

Coffee and scrolls lore in the morning, I’m spoiled :P

[@itssomedonkus5700]

Short one but I love how you guys seem to have gotten used to the podcast more and are having fun. Cant wait for next week!

[@philippemariel2814]

Scott and Drew are unmistakable but Michael sound very different than in he's videos don't you think?

[@FnRenner]

These are mostly free flowing whereas the videos are script reading. It's like when you answer your phone and go from normal voice to phone voice. Record yourself having a conversation and record yourself reading a book that you want others to enjoy and you'll see what I mean.

[@mambojambo4870]

Probably got a Yeti now

[@feyfolken1655]

Also... fun tip for any skyrim players if you get bored (this absolutely works in vanilla Skyrim because I did it on xbox before mods): Step 1: go to solsteim and get you a reikling follower, not the archer kind but the warrior kind. Step 2: take that reikling to the giant camp where the club is that you can have your followers pick up. Step 3: Have your reikling pick up the giant club Step 4: bask in the hilarity as your little buddy runs around poking things with a club twice his size and sending them flying!

[@coltonhusher3876]

Another Sunday morning treat to go along with coffee and a smoke. You guys are the best!

[@grandmasteryoda6717]

god i love giants. these big funny lil dudes. just hanging out. with that chill look on their faces. i love giants so much in the elder scrolls universe.

[@Dwarf-hv9bw]

About the carved tusks maybe its not a religios thing but more like a way to show where the mammoth are belonging too or who owns it if it would get lost. Cause for example the Samen a native group from finland who are herding rendeers (in an half wild herding way) they use different ways of cuts in their ears kinda like brandings which were did to cows or horses in past.

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

We poke fun at Giants in Skyrim "sending you to the moon", but about half of their camps are named after lunar references. I legitimately feel like there is a connection between the Giants and the moons.

[@OberynMartell127]

Sensational episode as ever gents. Wanted to comment on something Michael said at the end - I think most people do like it when you guys go off on tangents and just talk, whether it's Elder Scrolls related or not!! Or at the very least I do. It's both practical & wise to have a subject for the episode and notes on things to discuss throughout, but you already have a lot of incredible lore videos that have covered the factual side of most of these topics. Seems to me that most of your audience are interested in the podcast cause we get to see you three unscripted and speaking as friends, I feel like there shouldn't be a strict emphasis on sticking to the talking points or whatever. Keep up the great work, thank you for all the entertainment over the years!!

[@mateuszsotys3912]

They can add a dragon break to ESO. Not to retcon stuff but to spread more in time. Something like "following the planemeld Akatosh was trying to put time together and squished whole century to one year"

[@jameswilkes451]

It could also explain the fact that there are multiple "one true heroes"

[@wolflordshaitan]

Thank you guys so much for all that you give us!!

[@aidyplays1013]

*I was thinking of sea giants being able to lure Horkers, because you can see them on the frozen plethora of northern skyrim and down west by the Icewater Jetty and near the rockface of Lower Pitfall Burrow. How they lure them? Maybe as you said about normal giants being able to grind down the marrows of Mammoth Tusks into simple bone-meal, but in this case Horkers, fooling the Horkers into thinking it as one of their own, trapped at sea. It is not uncommon, as this is further layered by a book north of Dawnstar in skyrim, it tells you about how a horker can save lives if treated with caution. So if the sea giants lure them, they could hunt them and undoubtedly eat the meat layered beneath their blubber, and then grind their tusks down for another day for yet another meal.* *Note: I'm on about if sea giants ever migrate, because I know normal giants migrate with their mammoths to different campsites, from Tundras to plains.* *Another note: I've never actually seen giants in Solstheim so it's a possibility that the ash from the red mountain keep them away from all Dunmer province.* *Possibly not the final note: The book is titled 'Horker Attacks' and before it gets to the Hunter's story, it talks about a myth of hunters saving a girl lost at sea, hence why I mentioned saving in the process. This book can also be found in whiterun, Apocrypha and some places in Solstheim.*

[@magicalpuffcorn]

Every creature with blood has red blood.... even spiders and chaurus for some reason.

[@axrxns7194]

I get so excited for these weekly episodes please never end them ❤️❤️

[@axrxns7194]

@compassionate Predator sorry English is my third language after french and Dutch ❤️

[@briancrosby152]

my first experience with a giant. me running from 2 saber cats low on health & BOOM!!! i had just turned around to fire a arrow when it happened my wood elf stood no chance!

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

No Giant can defeat me. They can just annoy me very much... Also please consider doing a Podcast about me, Sheogorath and the Greymarch and the events of the Shivering Isles DLC. I don't think many people know a lot about it.

[@undeadwerewolves9463]

I think they did one? Or was that camelworks? I can't remember... I'm pretty sure fugemuppet do have one video on it tho, that's how I know about it lol Honestly that whole video was an absolute mind fuck and it made me think about life 😂

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There's nothing better than waking up to a notification saying fudgemuppet new video and drinking coffee

[@maxrander0101]

there is also a mention in one of the ingame books that another thing that had changed from when the giants were driven into the hills and them coming back down was they had lost some of their stature (size) and so the idea that when they first came over they could pretty much walked and kept their heads above the sea is possible but as we see with the other races they changed over time and became the ones we have in the eras the games are set in

[@KhanCrete]

when i hear "illyadi" and "giant" i think of cyclops (y'know, like, illiad). maybe that was an inspiration and writers were like "so like, instead of one eye, how about a ton?"

[@eyeofgnosis558]

I've always wondered if the Augur of the Obscure in ESO: Summerset is a reference to you guys and Camel knowing everything about the universe :P

[@hunterminnich3858]

Last time I was this early, we were massacring nords for finding the eye of Magnus

[@undeadwerewolves9463]

That early? Dam.

[@FnRenner]

I'm not convinced that is what the big ball from the Hogwarts quest actually is. When Quaranir shows up he says "what you call the eye of Magnus" and I take that to mean that the Psijic Order knows what it really is, what the Eye of Magnus is or maybe where the Eye of Magnus is. I know the name of the quest is literally The Eye of Magnus and you use Magnus' staff to fight Arcano but that one line of dialogue has always messed with me.

[@eminentbishop1325]

I just came up with my own in head cannon to explain the mechanics of ESO and it actually does require a dragon break. Molag Bal didn't just mess with the elder scrolls universe that we are all playing in. Each player is from their own elder scrolls universe and the elder scrolls multiverse is experiencing a dragon break where every players ESO universe is smashing into each other like some kind of multiverse car crash. This explains why it doesn't matter how many times we kill Molag Bal, other monsters, or even NPCs because another one from the infinite multiverse replaces them shortly after we do. Its also why the NPCs treat us as if we're the only 'hero' in the game. The players characters are themselves in some kind of forced Chim state where they exist beyond the multiverse and that's why they cant die either. So if you think about it ESO is a hellscape where theirs an army of undying demigods fighting a war across the elder scrolls multiverse ravaging entire planes of existence as we farm people, monsters, and animals out of existence and the only real winner is Molag Bal who gets to sit back and watch lol

[@adamthompson6669]

How good is this and I finished up 3 hours of camel goodness too and now fudge muppet pod cast oh yes. I really can’t wait for Fudgemuppet and camel 🐫 starfield and elder scrolls 6 videos ahhhh and cyberpunk too 😁 ❤️

[@FnRenner]

That Camel video came out of nowhere and three hours was insane! I loved it but Camel could have broke that down to 12 videos and milked the shit outta it. Every other KZbin channel would have but not Camel. Camel knows and appreciates how much his fan base love ES lore and theories.

[@GOREilla.]

Somebody gotta say it, we need more t-shirt prints! The different versions of the logo is a cool idea, some TES classic refences would too, as some Legends cards do.

[@caleb2869]

This podcast is the new tribunal

[@BaalFridge]

your characters in elder scrolls 6 will be Scottha Sil, Drewvec, and Michaelexia, the new Tribunal.

[@normanfury8259]

Really liking these discussion videos. Yall should start the Q&A/VLOGs again as well

[@franciosdauteuil4626]

29:30 love how michael just does his bob bob bobbing of the head

[@rangislayer177]

I like your videos so much. My favourite games are Skyrim and Witcher 3. Both of which you've done videos on. So much fun to delve into the lore and hearing your thoughts on it. Keep up the great work!

[@ZieSpiralOut]

I am about to go play myself! perfect for my sunday funday! Weed, Skyrim, and my couch! Thank God im off today!!!

[@MrFreakRite]

I like this format a little more than the normal videos tbh. Feels more natural.

[@willrogers3793]

I kind of like the theory that Ysgramor might have had some Giant ancestry, based on how Wuuthrad is a 2-handed axe but Ysgramor still had his own shield.

[@dergeilteufel]

Drew the Daedrologist in his tower studying lore, with 2 scamps as servants. Drew calls them Scott and Michael just because it bothers them by not referring to them by their real names.

[@dawnbun]

breton, high elf, and imperial talk about giants for 40 minutes

[@kyleellis1825]

My headcanon, is that the OG elves used the giants as slaves (that they stole from the Nord homeland). The giants built the massive city for the elves and then rebelled, sinking most of the city/landmass and using what the elves had taught their slaves to keep building ships. Which explains why the Skyrim giants are so primitive, they never got sent to reeducation slave camps.

[@masonwilliams6685]

These podcasts never disappoint

[@Krustenkuh]

I love these podcasts

[@matthewrawlings1284]

Please do a podcast (or just a regular video) on Michael kirkbride's out of Canon lore and discuss what could become officially Canon and what flat isn't likely to ever be Canon. Plus you could go over some of the more interesting bits of his writings and discuss you favorite Michael kirkbride elder scrolls writings.

[@swilson5320]

Michael seems very giant informed. Good video guys

[@Jonas_æ]

I think the 'split' between men and giants refers to how the wandering ehlnofey diverged into separate species of living beings, and somehow the Nords' understanding of that has endured into their cultural mythology when it regards the giants.

[@badluck5647]

This theory is for Scott: Giants make cheese, and Sheogorath likes cheese, so therfore giants are agents of Sheogorath. I will explain no further.

[@buzzlightyear11]

Kyne aegis trial in ESO has an interesting view on the giant's

[@sheogoraththedaedricprince9675]

The frost giant's vs the were bears epic football teams of skyrim

[@TylerNOS386277]

Anybody else remember that giant guy who guards the bridge in Sovngarde?

[@patrickaycock3655]

Ya know, the Asir come in three sizes. The small (we see them in riverwood), medium (not yet seen in elder scrolls) and large (man/mer sized). They rarely use their medium size as either the small or large have more effectiveness, plus the sheer numbers of them make it kinda pointless. When they are large they take on anthropomorphic features, such as primarily haveing two arms and two legs. Woe be to man and mer if they ever learn to breath fire.

[@rioti7318]

I love you guys so much your story telling has gotten me throught some shit thanks lads

[@baird5682]

Sea giants could confirm the theory that elves came from the sea. And if nords came from giants, we have origins of many tamriel races. It's worth to mention times of Dreughts ruling Tamriel before Mer and Men. All life came from sea.

[@baird5682]

Remember about Sloads

[@the_corvid97]

To add on to what Compassionate Predator said, Maormer don't live underwater so they aren't really a sea race. They live on a swampish-jungle continent, they even travel by boat.

[@jewknowwho8178]

With the dragon break idea they might just do something similar to spread out the events more

[@spikethelizard2770]

"I can make a Warhammer that could crush a Giant's head like a Walnut!"

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

34:52 Michael sounds like he’s reading a Dril tweet

[@bundlesofjoe]

It may not have been an ice bridge but a large out cropping of ice that many of them lived on and the locals may have pushed most of them onto this ice sheet and then broke it off from the mainland and it drifted over stopping in skyrim where they then became the alpha predator until the Nords came around and drove them into being a herding society.

[@ironclamp5325]

This will probably get shot down. But maybe a podcast on the dreughs. Will probably be a short one but maybe it can be placed in the “maybe” for when other ideas aren’t as apparent. I genuinely like the dreughs lore.

[@kotyscott-leedholm7511]

What about the cows being sacrificed for the giants. They’re painted in blue spirals...Just a theory, Frost giants and regular giants don’t get along to well, that’s why the giants like the offerings of the pained cow. (Because it’s a cow covered in dead frost giant)

[@jahnukainen_8912]

Interesting theory. That theory would make even more sense if frost giants would be related to trolls, because giants do carry lot of troll skulls/bones as trophies.

[@dstinnettmusic]

Giants are the wandering Elnofey is my new headcannon. It explains how men had any kind of chance against the elves. Imagine giants with intellect and magical abilities. My headcannon is that the discovery of the Thume led to domination by the Dragons and their priests, and as part of that, some of the giants had their voices literally stolen, and were intellectually stunted. This laying low of their mightiest warriors made the rest fall in line, and they were literally “brought low”…made smaller and less capable and thus easier to dominate…and this eventually led to the events revealed in Skyrim with the dragon wars and casting Alduin forward. Others escaped to Atmora to be encountered later….

[@jorgecardoso5863]

Oh What a nice surprise

[@shitpostirl1973]

I just found this podcast and I went back to oblivion and skyrim

[@perkitaseaman3290]

Wow 😱 Lydia and M'aiq went to the cloud district and I went flying even the White run guards ran away from the Giants 🤨😱🤔😁

[@jacobvargas5336]

If you think about it. The divide between the giants and nords may have come when the dragons appeared. The nords obviously sided with the dragons and the giants didn’t want to obey what they thought was a lesser creature

[@theg0z0n]

I know the video is kind of old but the way I interpret the passage about the giant squeezing the life out of Ysgramor would mean squeezing his chest to squeeze the life out. Meaning the head and neck would be free, as well as the knees, and I think he kneed him in the balls.

[@nadanadanada7197]

Giants..giants..giants, become unstoppable.

[@theinterspeciesreviewer7400]

I don't know if it's just me but in the thumbnail that Giant looks like he's about to perform some serious martial arts techniques on the poor fool who messed with his Mammoths.

[@bootpringle7241]

You should do a lot video on the final reckoning that was mentioned in sovengarde between the Nordic gods and the "Elven Giants"

[@bootpringle7241]

@compassionate Predator Victory or sovengarde

[@ZeroSeriesMMX]

Came for the discussion, stayed for the humor. Looks like I'll be joining the Space Program soon -- if only those Aldmeri blokes would hurry it up.

[@oplon9games]

Sorry for not always liking. I really enjoy the content and play your podcast while working on homework/work.

[@MF.Shadow]

Been needing this vid

[@azuk4727]

You guys make my day

[@MoonMoverGaming]

"Yagrum looks pretty normal." ~Anonymous

[@beairmann]

Maybe the sea giants came first, and the normal ones in Skyrim came from those.

[@Theology.101]

God I remember when the podcast was you guys in Scott’s bedroom in his mom’s house. “Guys, once Witcher comes out, we’re going to get thousands” Ah the good ol days.

[@shannonflow2675]

I imagine true Atmora Nords more like Tsun in Sovngarde. Bigger than normal men but not the size of giants. Plus if you have 500 Nords the size of Tsun it makes more sense how the destroyed the Snow Elves.

[@feyfolken1655]

Lyris Titanborn has always confused me because everyone says she gets her giant blood from her father, and it was due to her being part giant that her mother died in childbirth. I dunno if this has been fixed in the years since I played ESO, but I distinctly remember when you see the spirit of her father during that one quest he's smaller than her and no bigger than a normal man. That may have been an oversight by the devs, but it seems like if they were gonna go through all the trouble to make her that large and make this whole backstory about her being a descendant of giants, that they could do the same for her father. For the longest time I thought the half giant thing came from her mother's side of the family because of that, since many TES lore nerds swear that children always take after the mother's race. But apparently both Lyris and Belharza disprove that theory.

[@111455]

looks like a young scrolls video at the beginning

[@SkittlesMan555]

I think the Markarth DLC in Eso has revealed many mysteries

[@alexgould2572]

wood elves could use giants to yeet rocks inna siege with there clubs as if they were playing golf

[@paladinofthelostdays7392]

On the point of how big the first companion would have been, since my voice to text will not spell his name or anything, it is probably important to remember that he is depicted as a very large man capable of wielding his axe and shield in one hand each, something which is a two-handed effort for the Dragonborn regardless of their race or size at their point in history. Making it likely that the first companion was a very large fellow, although I doubt he would Stack Up substantially to a giant

[@ajcabanas5760]

It's like tusken raiders and their banthas

[@wassimnettour1534]

Love your Content bro

[@Mazzdabator]

Its interesting that the Atmorans were divided into the Giants and the Nords. Its similar to Neanderthals and Homosapiens in our own world. Stronger but less smart Giants and smaller but more intelligent Nords.

[@gracedchaos8296]

Got a plate of pancakes, a cup of coffee, and the best podcast to watch. What could make this a better morning, 😂

[@shalimarfox9441]

I agree, add my lovely bois in Elder Scrolls 6 as great scholars!

[@bronoculars2551]

I wonder why there are giants in Blackreach.

[@rylonharmon542]

Because Bethesda needed to fill out space in Blackreach a bit more.

[@jahnukainen_8912]

i have two theories 1. giants have alway lived underground but most of them either left the underground or most of them were wiped out by dwemer or mabye even the falmer 2. the more likely one, that one giant in blackreach had just wandered through a cave to underground.

[@XJonAye]

Well I know that in the dark heart of skyrim dlc from eso, a malfunctioning dwemer machine was messing with time and transporting all sorts of things to black reach, from different points in time. I have only watched videos about this as I don't have much time to play games Anymore. II'm not saying this is the exact reason for the giant, but rather a possibly

[@undeadwerewolves9463]

I wondered down there once, not expecting to find black reach... Also never found my way out help I'm still trapped down there. Send HELP! I'm also a giant so bring mammoth cheese.